[00:03] <histo> brb
[00:04] <sorush20> there is a way of telling gpg to get the email from over a proxy
[00:05] <sorush20> any idea how I could get it to work?
[00:06] <webmaren> i don't know
[00:09] <webmaren> does anyboyd know what dpkg error (1) means
[00:10] <histo> Okay its a problem with uvesafb getting errors. If I enable splash the system will crash with the .27 kernel. It works fine with the .19 kernel though.
[00:10] <ionstorm> Hey this is probably an easy question to answer, I recently changed my login password and was using the ecryptfs private directory I am unable to recover the data, any ideas? Bug #283477
[00:12] <GaMbi_DK> I use NVTV and edited my xorg.conf so that it runs dualview: LeftOf screen(0) (my tv is the the left of my monitor) but cant drag windows and videos between em.. could it be my desktops swap that blocks ?
[00:12] <webmaren> apt keeps failing "upgrade"
[00:13] <histo> I'm thinking i might just do a fresh install when final is released.
[00:13] <webmaren> claiming /usr/bin/dpkg error(1)
[00:13] <histo> What is on port 16001?
[00:13] <histo> and 4713?
[00:14] <webmaren> well now its seems to be working better
[00:14] <webmaren> and there's a kernel upgrade waiting for me
[00:14] <Pici> histo: netstat -tanp | grep 4713
[00:14]  * webmaren hopes it will fix the problem
[00:15] <histo> its listening on everything
[00:18] <darkhamm> hey people, i've upgraded from hardy, and i've only this issue at startup, before GDM:
[00:18] <histo> Anyone else have those ports open default ibex?
[00:18] <darkhamm> Ubuntu is running in low-graphigal mode...
[00:19] <histo> darkhamm: install restricted drivers for your device.
[00:19] <darkhamm> (EE) module ABI major version (0) doesn't match the server's version (1)
[00:20] <webmaren> going for a reboot
[00:20] <webmaren> wish me luck
[00:20] <darkhamm> (EE) failed to load module "dri" (module requirement mismatch,0)
[00:21] <darkhamm> histo, i've an ati radeon 9600, before upgrading, i've a message about some problem with my card, but i hoped about a generic configuration
[00:22] <darkhamm> actually, aty catalyst doesn't support intrepid beta
[00:23] <darkhamm> and i'm going slightly mad to reconfigure xorg.conf to generic, i can only load kde4.1.2, and i can't find a way to install mesa properly....
[00:23] <darkhamm> someone can help me about this?
[00:24] <sorush20> darkhamm: do yo have recovery options ?
[00:24] <zyrorl> anyone know how to get synaptic touchpad configuration to work on ubuntu intrepid x86_64
[00:24] <sorush20> darkhamm: at grub menu
[00:25] <darkhamm> yes...
[00:25] <sorush20> use it and try to fix the xorg
[00:25] <sorush20> in interpid its automated
[00:25] <sorush20> comeback here
[00:25] <sorush20> if you don't succeed
[00:26] <darkhamm> yes sorush20. i must run some specific command?
[00:26] <Pici> darkhamm: There was just a version of fglrx uploaded to the repositories  that should support xorg 1.5.
[00:26] <sorush20> no not really I think its automated.. have you ever edited xorg.conf manually
[00:27] <darkhamm> Pici i'm looking in repo. sorush20, yes i've done...
[00:28] <sorush20> so when you put mensa in the device in the xorg.conf what happens dose you desktop manager load
[00:28] <sorush20> ?
[00:32] <darkhamm> sorush20, ive the issue.
[00:34] <darkhamm> guys, it's true, synaptic have a version of fglrx, if i install this from synaptic, how can i be sure of a correct installatin?
[00:36] <Parabola> if i pause a media player, and leave the machine idle for a period of time, and come back, i no longer have sound
[00:36] <Parabola> the device is still recognized, but no output
[00:36] <Parabola> no errors either..
[00:36] <Parabola> i have to bounce to resolve it.. happens on two differnet machines
[00:37] <Parabola> anyone seen anything like that?
[00:38] <histo> ahh found the bug i'm having issues with bug #279187
[00:39] <Parabola> odd
[00:39] <Parabola> bug #27934
[00:39] <Parabola> heh
[00:39] <Parabola> neet
[00:40] <KDE4000> will the next ubuntu 8.10 include a kernel greater than 2.6.27-git3?
[00:41] <nixblicker76> hi there ... i just installed the 8.10 beta and now I'm running into problems. My Notebook can't suspend to ram anymore. The option in the gnome-power-manager vanished. Any Idea how to reactivate that?
[00:43] <Parabola> you didnt install it with wubi did you?
[00:44] <zyrorl> the latest default wallpaper looks far better than the crappy circles one
[00:44] <RAOF> nixblicker76: Grr.  The problem there is that something has pulled in the uswsusp package.  Remove that, and suspend will work again.
[00:46] <Parabola> zyrorl i like the circles :(
[00:46] <zyrorl> i like the new one, looks more ubuntu like
[00:46] <zyrorl> like... cavepaint drawings
[00:46] <zyrorl> nice
[00:53] <Parabola> reminds me of hippies.
[01:09] <ubuntu> can anyone help me with the kubuntu intrepid beta? i'm having really bad problems, with both an upgraded installation from hardy and the live CD. basically, the desktop does not exist, for some reason it's taking whatever window is in focus, maximizing it, and making that be the background. This includes everything including the K menu, this konversation window I have open, and any right-click menu
[01:09] <ubuntu> on top of that, any window that is maximized is not displayed at all
[01:10] <elliott> the upgraded installation was 32 bit, this live cd is 64 bit, i was usingthe nonfree ATI graphic drivers in my install,and i'm using the default graphics frivers here
[01:10] <elliott> so I doubt any of those are the problem
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> sounds like kwin could possibly not be running
[01:12] <elliott> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ kwin
[01:12] <elliott> kwin: unable to claim manager selection, another wm running? (try using --replace)
[01:13] <elliott> when i run kwin --replace, it looks normal until the command is completed, then looks like this again
[01:13] <JontheEchidna> kwin is crashing then
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> you could try rm ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[01:14] <JontheEchidna> then kwin --replace
[01:15] <JontheEchidna> though if the problem happened with a livecd too I don't know if that'd help
[01:19] <afflux> aaaaaaaaaargggggggghhhhhhhh... My ears
[01:20] <elliott> JontheEchidna: sorry about that. I hilighted the command you poted intending to copy/paste, and when I right clicked, the computer locked up
[01:20] <elliott> what was it again?
[01:20] <afflux> the upgrade set the volume to 100% and I fell of my chair o.o
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> elliott: rm ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrc
[01:20] <JontheEchidna> then kwin --replace
[01:21] <elliott> still having problems
[01:22] <elliott> and the olny error-like output I see form kwin --replace is "QTimeLine::setDuration: cannot set duration <= 0" repeated about 10 times
[01:22] <JontheEchidna> hmm
[01:23] <JontheEchidna> I did see somebody who had X freeze up every night at midnight who was getting the same error
[01:24] <serenecloud> sounds like a feature to me
[01:24] <elliott> oh hey
[01:24] <elliott> the "kwin --replace" command never returned
[01:24] <elliott> so i did ctrl+c and killed it
[01:24] <elliott> and now everything looks fine
[01:25] <elliott> except the top bar on all my programs disappeared. the one with minimize close maximize etc
[01:25] <elliott> but the desktop actually shows up now
[01:26] <elliott> i started kwin again and the problem started back up
[01:26] <elliott> so it has to be in kwin
[01:27] <elliott> and the following error appeared i nthe output this time
[01:27] <elliott> X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3
[01:27] <elliott>   Major opcode: 20 (X_GetProperty)
[01:27] <elliott>   Resource id:  0x3200022
[01:29] <mn> what kernel is intrepid using?
[01:30] <nickrud> 2.6.27
[01:31] <nickrud> I've been having issues with the nvidia driver blanking the screen; happens a few times a minute after start, then tapers off to only occasionally. Sometimes I'll see screen tears instead of a full blank. Any ideas out there?
[01:31] <RAOF> nickrud: that happens each time the card changes power state, if you've got a laptop.
[01:32] <nickrud> nope, a desktop. 8800gt
[01:33] <nickrud> but that's something to look at. Do you have an idea how I could check that?
[01:33] <RAOF> It might still be changing power state; check nvidia-settings.
[01:35] <nickrud> <egg on face>Somehow I ended up with the NV driver</egg on face (less)>
[01:38] <nickrud> RAOF, thanks much
[01:38] <mn> In general, is Ubuntu upgraded in small increments or is everything upgraded on the day of the release of the new OS?
[01:39] <nickrud> mn, if you don't run the devel version, it will happen all at once (only after you permit)
[01:39] <mn> well i just know i had *a bunch* of packages to upgrade all at once today and most of them had something to do with the kernel or other low-level software
[01:40] <nickrud> mn if you're running intrepid, you're using the devel version. You might get 0, or a hundred packages daily
[01:40] <mn> no im running 8.04
[01:41] <nickrud> mn, then those were probably staged to update together. Some packages have tight dependencies on others
[01:41] <mn> ah, yes that's probably right
[01:42] <mn> what is package "dbus"?
[01:42] <nickrud> mn and #ubuntu is the best place for 8.04 questions in general
[01:43] <mn> yeah but im sure 8.1 has dbu
[01:43] <mn> dbus*
[01:43] <nickrud> so does 8.04. Dbus has been around for several releases now
[01:44] <calc> OOo 3.0.0-2ubuntu1 should be done building in about 8 or so hours for whoever wants to play with it (see PPA)
[01:44] <mn> so this is a question pertaining to many releases
[01:45] <calc> note it will not be installable until the i386 build finishes
[01:45] <elliott> wow so
[01:45] <calc> and no i will not be in the main intrepid
[01:45] <calc> er it will not
[01:46]  * calc won't be in intrepid either... since he is a human ;)
[01:47] <bsnider> calc, which ppa is that, sir?
[01:47] <calc> launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs
[01:49] <calc> basically wait around 12hr before trying to upgrade to it, if it fails to install it will likely be due to i386 not finishing building yet
[01:49] <elliott> i locked    up       agaaaain, ttwiceeeeee. now            i'm usiinnng ttheeeeee on screen keyboard because my actual keyboard doesn't work
[01:50] <bsnider> i'm not getting the i386 packages
[01:50] <calc> bsnider: exactly... but i386 has to complete to get the 'all' packages
[01:50] <calc> someone just last week complained amd64 wasn't installable since the 'all' packages hadn't finished building yet on i386 buildd
[01:51] <elliott> any tips on getting my ketboard working   again
[01:51] <calc> they just needed to wait a few more hours, heh :)
[01:52] <cmerk> the new version (0.7.0) of the panorama stiching program hugin was released 10 days ago (it's been 2 years in the making). However intrepid still has the svn3191 beta5 package from debian unstable. Where should I put in a request to make sure the new version gets into the intrepid release.
[01:52] <bsnider> calc, if they don't work, can i blame you?
[01:53] <calc> not if it hasn't finished building on i386 yet
[01:53] <calc> if it finished building on i386 and still won't install then there is a problem
[01:53] <calc> but i seriously doubt there will be any issue since rc4 and final are basically the same and rc4 was there since last week
[01:53] <bsnider> yes but if it installs and for some reason there's a bug here and there
[01:53] <calc> bsnider: well yea that is why it isn't in intrepid
[01:54] <calc> ooo 3.0 is course buggy it was just released and sun just pushes it out basically :\
[01:54] <calc> thats why it won't go into backports for at least a month or two
[01:57] <bsnider> are you saying sun just all of a sudden decides something should be released without doing proper bug testing?
[01:57] <bsnider> is steve ballmer in charge of sun too?
[01:58] <nixternal> anyone else having problems when installing with drive encryption?
[01:58] <nixternal> first, grub isn't correct after install, and then after fixing that, I get the BusyBox garbage about /root/dev on /dev/.static/dev failed
[02:04] <elliott> JontheEchidna: hey, it crashed a few times again on me, the keyboard stoped working, etc. it got so unusablethat I just went back to a hardy live cd
[02:05] <elliott> i want to make a bug report, but it owould help to know more than "kwin" for the problem
[02:21] <myk_robinson> hey. Anyone here using VirtualBox 2.0.2, and successful with USB support?
[02:22] <myk_robinson> quiet room tonight
[02:27] <myk_robinson> hello?
[02:28] <RAOF> Yes?
[02:28] <myk_robinson> hey, just testing.. DIdnt see any traffic in this channel..
[02:28] <myk_robinson> are you able to help with VirtualBox USB in Intrepid?
[02:29] <RAOF> It's generally a bad idea to open with "hello?" - most people watching the channel will ignore it, because it's not an actionable question :)
[02:29] <myk_robinson> no prob, was just confused due to no activity, which is unusal for this channel
[02:29] <RAOF> Not any more than pointing you to the kvm bug.  If virtualbox still uses the old removed USB method, you'll need to take it up with them :)
[02:30] <myk_robinson> my question is how do I enable USB support in VirtualBox 2.0.2 in Intrepid? I have added the fstab entry and edited the mountkernfs.sh.. The devices show but are greyed out
[02:30] <myk_robinson> what is the kvm bug, please?
[02:30] <myk_robinson> no activity on the vbox channel :(
[02:31] <rafal> how to upgrade to current beta version? I need something newer then 8.04 coz I need .2.6.27 kernel and some other newer software
[02:31] <rafal> and, after that, will I be able to easly switch to regular 8.10 once it is out
[02:31] <bsnider> RAOF, is virtualbox a frontend for kvm or xen?
[02:31] <RAOF> bsnider: Neither.
[02:31] <myk_robinson> bsnider: VirtualBox is an opensource "VMware"-like application
[02:32] <bsnider> i ama aware of what it does
[02:32] <myk_robinson> it is working well, i just want to get USB support enabled so I can hook up my Line 6 POD X3 Live through a virtual machine and lose dedicated Windows entirely.
[02:32] <RAOF> myk_robinson: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/virtualbox/+bug/156085
[02:32] <myk_robinson> Thats all I use it for is tweaking my POD patches
[02:33] <RAOF> Well, the open-source edition is open-source, certainly :)
[02:33] <myk_robinson> using the full blown version, downloaded the .deb. from the website
[02:34] <RAOF> And we're utterly unable to support that, obviously :)
[02:34] <myk_robinson> no big deal, just asking around. sorry
[02:34] <myk_robinson> hopefully someone will eventually answer at the vbox channel
[02:35] <RAOF> That's OK.  The bug is a pointer to what the actual problem is, at least.  We just can't fix it for them :)
[02:35] <myk_robinson> I have a friend here in town who got it working, but he isn't answering his phone. Perhaps he'll be around tomorrow.
[02:36] <myk_robinson> other than that, so far so good. Guys have finally made me a Gnome convert
[02:40] <limcore> 8.10 beta is not horribly unstable? as in, it will not explode monitor or delete harddrive? :)
[02:40] <myk_robinson> limcore: it is working fine on my laptop, with minor issues with my wifi
[02:40] <limcore> hmm Im using wifi... what are the issues?
[02:41] <myk_robinson> my wifi is intel 3945abg. It works, but occaisionaly drops the connection. I also use a Belkin wireless usb adapter that keeps the connection just fine
[02:43] <limcore> hmm
[02:43] <limcore> it seems many kde applications are removed?
[02:44] <myk_robinson> i couldnt get the kde version to even boot for me. I have tried KDE4 and didnt like it too much, so I am learning GNome. Got it working great
[02:44] <limcore> hmm
[02:44] <limcore> perhaps I could get just the kernel from 8.10 beta?
[02:44] <limcore> and drivers
[02:46] <aim1159> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/26825
[02:46] <aim1159> have not tested yet on ubuntu 8.10
[02:46] <aim1159> but can confirm that this bug still exist on 8.04.1
[02:47] <aim1159> tested with Logitech Laser Mouse RX1000
[02:47] <aim1159> mouse work only when plugged before x start
[02:48] <aim1159> mouse configured the following way: http://paste.org.ru/?8mfx19
[02:53] <elliott> does anyone know why my display would be so broken in intrepid kubuntu? it happens in both an upgraded install and livecd, in 32 bit and 64 bit, and with both default and ATI-specific video drivers
[02:54] <elliott> what's happening is that whatever window is in focus appears maximized and pixellated as te background image
[02:54] <elliott> even popup menus and the K menu do this
[02:54] <bsnider> because the ati drivers aren't good?
[02:54] <elliott> windows in general are hard to use, don't display correctly after returning from being minimized, and they don't show up at all when maximized
[02:55] <elliott> but it happens with the default drivers
[02:55] <bsnider> and so?
[02:56] <elliott> i figured those wouldn't be ATI specific
[02:56] <smil3y> elliott>  have you reconfigured x at all yet?
[02:56] <elliott> no, what would i haveto change?
[02:56] <bsnider> the open source ati drivers are developed by ati and novell
[02:57] <smil3y> elliott>  remember your using beta software so anything can break at any time, try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[02:58] <smil3y> elliott>  or reboot, and choose one of the recovery kernels and go through the x reconfigure
[02:59] <bsnider> i'm pretty sure fglrx doesn't work at all right now, so it might be better just to blow away xorg.conf and let the x server choose the best driver
[02:59] <limcore> can I install just kernel+drivers from 8.10, but keep applications, xorg, kde, etc?
[03:00] <smil3y> elliott>  maybe try vesa or free ati driver when in the recovery kernel, one of those should work
[03:03] <bsnider> i'm not sure how x decides whjether to use ati or radeonhd
[03:07] <blankthemuffin> This isn't really a problem, wireless works fine, but the wireless light on my dell inspiron is flashing like it's going out of fashion.
[03:08] <Volkodav> looks like they fixed the skype issue on 64 bit on the 7 kernel
[03:08] <bsnider> what skype issue?
[03:09] <Volkodav> that it would segfault as a nut
[03:09] <bsnider> that was because of missing lib32 stuff. they fixed that a while back
[03:11] <Volkodav> ok
[03:23] <squeegee> Attempting to install 8.10 x64 on brand new ASUS M51 laptop, after initial boot I get 'Kernel alive', then 'kernel really alive', then the screen goes blank, and never comes back.  Same with 8.10 x64 alt as well as 8.04 x86 and 8.04 x64.  Any pointers?
[03:27] <Volkodav> maybe an X issue
[03:27] <supert0nes> is there any place i can get a firefox 3.1 deb from?
[03:27] <Volkodav> tried diff tty's ?
[03:27] <smil3y> squeegee>  live cd works ok?
[03:28] <squeegee> No
[03:28] <squeegee> Not after initial start
[03:28] <squeegee> I've tried all kinds of various boot params to no avail either.
[03:28] <squeegee> The video is via ATI 3650.
[03:29] <smil3y> squeegee>  gonna take a stab in the dark here, maybe new unsupported hardware?  how new is this thing?
[03:29] <smil3y> squeegee>  does ANY live cd work?
[03:29] <squeegee> It's not even listed on the ASUS web site yet.  I knew I was asking for trouble, but it was too good to pass up.
[03:29] <squeegee> The model is M51TA
[03:30] <bsnider> squeegee,  hold down a key when you see the kernel message
[03:30] <squeegee> The GParted cd works.
[03:30] <smil3y> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220348&nm_mc=OTC-Froogle&cm_mmc=OTC-Froogle-_-Notebooks-_-ASUS-_-34220348    this one?
[03:31] <squeegee> smil3y - nope, the OTHER one M51TA, not M51Ta (silly uppercase A makes a HUGE difference)
[03:32] <smil3y> hmmm ok, looking at hardware
[03:33] <squeegee> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220349
[03:35] <squeegee> bsnider:  held shift down, didn't make a difference.  Trying another...
[03:36] <bsnider> can you hear the hard drive working while the screen is black?
[03:36] <bsnider> is the hard drive indicator light blinking?
[03:36] <squeegee> Holding space didn't do anything either.
[03:36] <smil3y> squeegee>  cant find too much bout it on the net,  one review said they cant even get xp to work on it, not really a comparison but ??
[03:36] <squeegee> Hard disk not doing anything, but the CD drive is still spinning.
[03:37] <bsnider> squeegee, you're booting from a livecd?
[03:37] <squeegee> right now I'm using the alt cd.  I can switch...
[03:37] <bsnider> is it today's build, or the beta from 2 weeks ago?
[03:38] <smil3y> squeegee>  did you try waiting for a little while on a live cd, and try ctrl alt f1 or any other?
[03:39] <squeegee> Trying the live cd again now.  I waited as long as 10 minutes or so at one point.  Haven't tried al-f1 yet, will now.
[03:40] <DG19075> Here's a question: I've noticed in the Ibex betas, Nautilus takes a Godawful long time to open a USB drive. Anyone else notice this?
[03:43] <squeegee> alt-F1-alt-F4 did nothing.
[03:43] <smil3y> squeegee>  control alt f1
[03:43] <squeegee> I just tried booting a WinXP Pro x64, and it BSOD's.  I'm starting to be concerned.
[03:44] <bsnider> squeegee, what chipset is this?
[03:44] <squeegee> whoops, retried with control-alt-f1, still nothing.
[03:45] <smil3y> squeegee>  hey you get this thing from nasa or what lol
[03:46] <squeegee> Trying a Fedora 9 x64:  Almost the same thing.  Got through a bunch of loading (didn't catch the last one, it went so fast), then the same blank screen.
[03:46] <squeegee> :-)
[03:46] <squeegee> No, newegg.
[03:46] <squeegee> I've had a lot of good experience with ASUS, and heard a lot of good things about their laptops...  I guess I chose poorly.
[03:47] <squeegee> I left the FAT32 restore partition intact (for no particular reason).  I wonder if that is affecting it?
[03:48] <bsnider> squeegee, what chipset?
[03:50] <squeegee> HOnestly, I'm not sure.  How silly to buy a laptop and not check first.  Since it was a Turion X2 Ultra 64 and ATI 3650, I figured it'd be fine.
[03:51] <bsnider> squeegee, actually, that was totally thw _wrong_ hardware to buy. next time as much intel stuff as possible
[03:51] <smil3y> squeegee>  shouldnt matter about the restore partition, your better off leaving it anyway just in case you need to restore it to factory if you have to send back for repairs anytime.  installing linux voids the warranty.
[03:51] <ayllu> hi, Iḿ using intrepid ibex, and I have problems when i try to "turn off" the computer. The computer freezes in some part of the proses
[03:52] <smil3y> squeegee>  and PS.  youll have much better luck with nvidia
[03:53] <smil3y> squeegee>  ATI support in linux is nowhere near nvidia, getting better, but ..........
[03:53] <squeegee> NVidia I'm not surprised about.  I was just scared about all the chipsets going bad in laptops.  It's my daughters new machine.
[03:53] <bsnider> i don't think the 3650 is supported by any linux driver yet
[03:53] <squeegee> For my computer, I ONLY use NVidia.
[03:54] <squeegee> I wonder how the gparted cd boots into X without problems?  With the correct rez and all.  I think I need to pursue that for the time being?
[03:55] <squeegee> SystemRescue CD 1.1.0 failed to boot the same way as well.
[03:55] <bsnider> that uses an older kernel
[03:55] <bsnider> you could try hardy
[03:55] <squeegee> I think I will.  Gotta get it first, as I don't have it handy.
[03:56] <squeegee> Thanks for all the help!  I think I have a couple of things to try now.
[03:56] <bsnider> fedora 9 didn't work?
[03:56] <squeegee> nope.
[03:56] <bsnider> what about opensuse 11?
[03:56] <bsnider> try live booting opensuse with kde4 too
[03:57] <squeegee> Haven't tried it, as I don't use it normally.  I think going through all the various base distro's is the next thing to try.
[03:57] <bsnider> also mandriva's 2009 edition was released a few days ago. try that
[03:57] <squeegee> That I have (tried it in VM on main machine).
[03:57] <bsnider> that will probably work
[03:58] <squeegee> Burning the CD as I type.
[03:58] <Ward1983> im gonna reinstall ubuntu tomorrow, i got ubuntu 8.04 64bit which i want to get rid of, want to go back to 32 bit
[03:59] <Ward1983> should i use 8.10?
[03:59] <bsnider> if i say yes are you going to blame me if it doesn't work?
[03:59] <Ward1983> bsnider, nah then i just use 8.04, got the cd anyways
[04:00] <squeegee> I've been using 8.10 for a couple of weeks without problems that I couldn't solve.
[04:00] <bsnider> then i don't care what you use
[04:00] <Ward1983> bsnider by that i mean, if it does not work i will just use the older version....
[04:01] <Ward1983> squeegee ah nice thats what i wanted to hear
[04:01] <Ward1983> my main concern was about the ICH8 / ICH9 ethernet driver that seemed to be able to render a NIC completely useless
[04:01] <dhng> I upgraded to Intrepid but now when I log into Ubuntu I'm stuck with an empty Gnome screen
[04:02] <Ward1983> but i read it is blacklisted now
[04:02] <squeegee> I will warn, though:  When I attempted to upgrade an 8.04 to 8.10, it killed the 8.04 where it wouldn't even boot anymore.  From scratch, though, has been good for me in both x86 and x64.
[04:02] <bsnider> Ward1983, that problem was fixed
[04:02] <bsnider> you'r ebehind the times
[04:02] <dhng> How do I get anything to run from within Gnome? I'm stuck with an empty screen with just my desktop background.
[04:02] <Ward1983> squeegeeyes i killed my system once like that too, upgrading is just something i never attempt since then
[04:02] <bsnider> linux isn't going to release a kernel that zaps cards like that
[04:02] <squeegee> It also fixed a problem with my K8WE machine that would fail to install 8.04 because of SATA issues.
[04:03] <dhng> and my mouse doesn't work
[04:03] <Ward1983> bsnider it was a beta or something
[04:03] <bsnider> dhng, that sounds like a hard lockup to me
[04:03] <Ward1983> squeegee ah nice improvement is allways good :)
[04:04] <bsnider> dhng, a kernel problem
[04:04] <dhng> bsnider: the mouse works at the login screen
[04:04] <dhng> bsnider: but yes, when booting up my laptop I'm getting a ton of kernel problems
[04:04] <bsnider> dhng, and then the system locks up
[04:05] <bsnider> dhng, might try a clean install
[04:05] <dhng> bsnider: only when I try to log in gnome
[04:05] <Ward1983> is that ICH8 / ICH9 driver blacklisted now? just ot make sure
[04:05] <dhng> bsnider: not an option
[04:05] <bsnider> gnome can't lock up a system
[04:05] <Ward1983> dhng is it just files that you need of the machine?
[04:06] <dhng> Ward1983: yes
[04:06] <Ward1983> dhng you could just copy those after you boot with a ubuntu cd, and do a clean install after you copied everything
[04:07] <bsnider> dhng, if your mouse is inavailable and the screen is frozen, there's a driver in use at that time that's locking up the kernel
[04:07] <dhng> bsnider: I was able to use the mouse yesterday, but I just ran apt-get update and now it's stuck
[04:07] <Ward1983> :o wow lol
[04:08] <bsnider> dhng, there was a kernel update today
[04:08] <Ward1983> i think i might wait with 8.10 now i hear that :p
[04:08] <Singer> hello
[04:08] <squeegee> Mandriva 2009 failed the same way - boot kernel, then blank screen.
[04:08] <bsnider> dhng, you can try booting a previous kernel
[04:08] <Singer> does anyone have any news about the atheros 5007 support?
[04:08] <dhng> bsnider: I can try, but how is it gonna help?
[04:08] <Singer> someoen said it will be part of 8.10 but its still not working fo rme
[04:08] <bsnider> dhng, just try it
[04:09] <smil3y> dhng>  same thing happened to me, dependency issues so it wouldnt dload gnome packages, you have any other win managers installed?  try another and delete all packages asking for dependencies, then re install ubuntu-desktop........... worked ok for me
[04:09] <bsnider> Singer, should work
[04:09] <Singer> bsnider: I cant' figure out how to get it to work
[04:09] <dhng> smil3y: I also had kubuntu-desktop installed
[04:09] <Ward1983> jesus :s
[04:09] <bsnider> Singer, ath5k should handle that
[04:09] <Singer> bsnider: if I went k-buntu it shouldn't matter right?
[04:09] <smil3y> dhng>  boot into that, should work
[04:09] <bsnider> Singer, no
[04:10] <dhng> smil3y: nope, can't load the config files
[04:10] <dhng> smil3y: the Intrepid upgrade borked it
[04:10] <Singer> bsnider: okay, let me get it installed and see... the live cd didn't work for me..
[04:10] <smil3y> dhng>  boot into command line?
[04:10] <dhng> smil3y: yes, I can, but what's the point
[04:10] <bsnider> Singer, you boot the livecd and i'll get it working'
[04:11] <smil3y> dhng>  and then apt get remove the packages that are causing problems, shouldnt be too many
[04:11] <td123> so will oo.o 3.0 be included in 8.10 orr is it too late?
[04:11] <bsnider> td123, too late
[04:11] <dhng> smil3y: the problem is I have no idea what's causing the problems
[04:11] <Singer> bsnider: too late, I've started the install already; bu give me 10 or so till its done?
[04:11] <dhng> smil3y: when I upgraded to Intrepid, X wouldn't even load.  I had to replace the conf file with a backup version
[04:11] <smil3y> dhng> well if you boot into command line and run apt-get update  and apt-get upgrade it will give you a list of dependency problems im sure of it
[04:12] <Singer> bsnider: wait, 32bit vs 64bit.. would that make a difference?
[04:12] <saint-takeshi> anyone else had issues with 3d acceleration/rendering with intrepid
[04:12] <smil3y> dhng>  your describing the same problem i had 2 days ago
[04:12] <saint-takeshi> \s\?
[04:12] <td123> Singer: if your using it for "normal" usage, you won't notice anything...
[04:12] <dhng> smil3y: I am using a wireless connection, and if I'm in command line I have no idea how to connect
[04:13] <Singer> okay, I'm using k 64-bit.. hoping to get wireless to work once its installed
[04:13] <smil3y> dhng>  sudo ifup ath0  or whatever the name of your wireless is
[04:13] <td123> Singer: in my experience, i386 had less workarounds
[04:14] <Singer> ok, let me download that
[04:14] <Singer> and see,
[04:14] <smil3y> dhng> replace ath0 with name of wireless or connect ethernet
[04:14] <Singer> mmm, 1 hour to download
[04:15] <smil3y> early day tomorrow, im out, gnite
[04:15] <saint-takeshi> for example, glxgears acts a little strange...the "gears" image flickers, and if i switch focus to anything else, or move the window, it kills my laptop
[04:16] <td123> Singer: to download 8.10 beta?
[04:16] <Singer> td123: yeah
[04:16] <bsnider> Singer, no, no difference at all
[04:17] <Singer> bsnider: okay, I've got about 10 minutes till its installed (8.10/Kbuntu/AMD64)
[04:17] <Ward1983> what will change in ubuntu 8.410 between now and the relase date
[04:17] <Ward1983> is that known?
[04:17] <Ward1983> 8.10
[04:17] <td123> Ward1983: basically just bug fixes
[04:18] <saint-takeshi> Ward1983: lots and lots of bug fixes.
[04:18] <noriyuki> Hi only one question... after I installed bluez utils, why it keeps saying the command "hidd" has not been found
[04:18] <Ward1983> td123 but all that stuff i heard here a couple of minutes ago made me worry, will they be able to get all that out?
[04:18] <td123> Ward1983: there could also be major things fixed if found (like the e1000 brick issue :P) but those are less likely
[04:18] <bsnider> Singer, i asked you to boot the livecd
[04:18] <td123> Ward1983: what will they get out?
[04:18] <Ward1983> crashing system after apt-get update is simply crazy
[04:19] <td123> Ward1983: its beta...
[04:19] <Singer> bsnider: by the time you said that, I've already started the install to the HD..
[04:19] <Ward1983> td123 yes but 2 weeks from release :s
[04:19] <Singer> bsnider: so on my laptop i'm doing that right now (I'm also downloading the i386) on this gaming PC
[04:19] <Ward1983> td123 what makes you so sure the release wont do that?
[04:19] <saint-takeshi> oh, has anyone else had that thing (probably laptop-specific, but i'm not sure) where gnome-power-manager periodically dies?
[04:19] <ZXY> 在不阿？
[04:20] <Ward1983> hahaha
[04:20] <Ward1983> wth lol
[04:20] <bsnider> Singer, you don't need the i386 build
[04:20] <dhng> how do I burn the beta ISO from within the command line?
[04:20] <ZXY> 我电脑出问题了
[04:20] <bsnider> Singer, the itanium is the only cpu that can't run 32 bit code
[04:20] <ZXY> 这个系统不是太好用的阿
[04:20] <td123> Ward1983: if this problem is specific to you then you should report it or it won't be fixed...
[04:20] <Singer> bsnider: okay, I've cancelled the download.. the install is still going
[04:20] <ZXY> 没人说话？
[04:20] <Ward1983> td123 no it seemd to be a generalproblem a few people here a bit earlyer had it
[04:20] <td123> Ward1983: what I'm saying is if they don't know about a problem, then how could they fix it...
[04:21] <ZXY> 不明白，中文
[04:21] <dhng> ZXY: please use English
[04:21] <moontiger> hi
[04:21] <moontiger> does anybody know if the firefox 3 font problems will be fixed in 8.10
[04:21] <moontiger> ?
[04:21] <td123> Ward1983: well then I'm sure they will get it fixed if it is important/ no workaround/ time left
[04:21] <bsnider> moontiger, there aren't any font problems
[04:22] <Ward1983> i dunno what to decide
[04:22] <moontiger> ummmmmm yes there are
[04:22] <moontiger> they look crap
[04:22] <Ward1983> and i cannot wait 2 weeks
[04:22] <dhng> how come every time I run apt-get upgrade, I get a ton of files downloaded?
[04:22] <bsnider> moontiger, no there aren't
[04:22] <moontiger> says who?
[04:22] <dhng> I just did the same thing 5 minutes ago and now it's downloading some more.
[04:22] <td123> Ward1983: what are you talking about, please stop mumbling in the irc
[04:22] <moontiger> i have crappy ff3 fonts in front of me now
[04:22] <ZXY> no  china?
[04:23] <bsnider> moontiger, i'm sure you do, but not because of intrepid
[04:23] <moontiger> everything else is great but ff3 sucks
[04:23] <moontiger> no duh
[04:23] <Ward1983> ZXY #ubuntu-cn i think
[04:23] <td123> moontiger: did you try to see if you can find solutions online or are you waiting for them to fix it
[04:23] <moontiger> im on hardy asking if they have been fixed in ibex
[04:23] <ZXY> yes
[04:23] <bsnider> ZXY, yes there is a china. it's in asia
[04:23] <moontiger> sheesh
[04:23] <noriyuki> Hi only one question... after I installed bluez utils, why it keeps saying the command "hidd" has not been found
[04:23] <moontiger> ive tried everything
[04:23] <moontiger> trust me
[04:23] <Ward1983> ZXY /join #ubuntu-cn
[04:23] <Ward1983> ZXY thats the chinese channel :)
[04:23] <bsnider> moontiger, well there weren't any font problems on ff3 on hardy either
[04:24] <td123> moontiger: if somebody knew what you were talking about they would tell you, stop trying to force the answer out.. its just dumb
[04:24] <moontiger> bsnider, apart from being an unhelpful ahole do you do anything useful?
[04:24] <Singer> arg.. stupid Intel modem numbers
[04:24] <Singer> gotta kill intel
[04:24] <moontiger> ok let me try again if thats ok
[04:24] <moontiger> i have hardy and the fonts in ff3 are very bad ... ui fonts and page fonts
[04:24] <bsnider> moontiger, you're having a problem that's specific to your setup. it's not an ubuntu problem at all. ff3 fonts are great
[04:25] <td123> moontiger: no offense, but you should try to help yourself...
[04:25] <moontiger> on 3 laptops
[04:25] <bsnider> moontiger, are you using subpixel rendering?
[04:25] <moontiger> wow u guys are completely unhelpful and unfriendly
[04:25] <moontiger> yes if u let me explain
[04:25] <dhng> Does Gnome use some kind of init file when it boots up? if so, is there a way to reset it to factory defaults?
[04:25] <Singer> ff works well for me, as long as you get flash and java :)
[04:25] <td123> moontiger: aka, google what you are experiencing and see if there are any solutions online
[04:25] <smil3y> i dont know, i have hardy and ff3 on 2 laptops, and 3 desktops and there all fine font wise
[04:26] <bsnider> moontiger, nobody here is having the problem you thinkw e all are
[04:26] <moontiger> i have ... more times than u can imagine and there are bugs logged in launchpad
[04:26] <moontiger> to do with libcairo
[04:26] <td123> moontiger: how do you expect us to know every answer to your problems?
[04:26] <bsnider> moontiger, try booting today's livecd and you'll see. obviously cairo has been updated
[04:26] <moontiger> bsnider, could u do me a favor and stfu as far as im concerned please?
[04:26] <moontiger> i dont
[04:27] <moontiger> i asked if they had been fixed in ibex
[04:27] <td123> moontiger: then stop acting like it
[04:27] <moontiger> fuk off
[04:27] <td123> that guy has issues..
[04:27] <bsnider> now let's badmouth him behind his back
[04:27] <smil3y> gone now
[04:27] <td123> let's not
[04:28] <ZXY> No group of Chinese?
[04:28] <dhng> ZXY: /j #ubuntu-cn
[04:29] <ZXY> thinks
[04:29] <Ward1983> ZXY type: /join #ubuntu-cn
[04:29] <robbak> OK. I am trying to get my mobile 'broadband' operating after the upgrade to intrepid and the new Network Manager. I need to find out how to specify the device (/dev/rfcomm0) and how to get it listed in the menu so I can connect to it. Does documentation exist for this new Manager?
[04:29] <Ward1983> cn = chinese
[04:30] <iPeipei> ZXY: hello
[04:30] <Ward1983> aaah nice :)
[04:30] <smil3y> Ward1983>  not tha i know of, but if you click on the icon in taskbar theres the option to make a new connection
[04:30] <Singer> ZXY: #ubuntu-cn - zhong ven
[04:30] <Ward1983> smil3y ?
[04:30] <smil3y> oops sorry that was for robbak
[04:31] <Singer> bsnider: okay, kbuntu 8.10 installed.. still no wifi..
[04:31] <Ward1983> smil3y no problem just making sure the sentence doesnt get lost :)
[04:31] <bsnider> Singer, open a terminal, tryp iwconfig
[04:31] <bsnider> is there a wmaster0 device listed?
[04:32] <Singer> nope, only lo,eth0, pan0 (I assume for the bluetootha dapter)
[04:32] <smil3y> robbak>  not that i know of, but if you click on the icon, and choose option for new connection you can setup from there
[04:32] <iPeipei> Ward1983: maybe ZXY is away now
[04:32] <bsnider> Sing now type sudo modprobe ath5k
[04:32] <Singer> bsnider: done, and stll the same thing from iwconfig
[04:33] <Ward1983> iPeipei i think hes just away, he didnt type very much the last 15 minutes or so
[04:33] <smil3y> robbak>  should be listed already as /dev/tty/USB0 thats what mine is anyway
[04:33] <robbak> smil3y, there's "New Wireless connection" which is wrong, and I have created a connection in "Edit connections"...
[04:33] <Ward1983> iPeipei thanx for comming over :)
[04:33] <bsnider> Singer, is that wireless-n or g?
[04:33] <smil3y> robbak>  is the card plugged in
[04:34] <Singer> bsnider: lspico gives me: Atheros Communication AR242x 802.11abg wireless
[04:34] <iPeipei> Ward1983: o,you can told him #ubuntu-cn
[04:34] <Ward1983> iPeipei we tried lol
[04:34] <robbak> smil3y: I am using my my phone via bluetooth. /dev/rfcomm0
[04:34] <Ward1983> iPeipei he didnt seem to get it
[04:34] <smil3y> robbak>  oh, no experience with that, sorry thought it was a pcmcia card, thats all i know about
[04:34] <iPeipei>  :(
[04:35] <Ward1983> iPeipei maybe you can /msg him a message in chinese about how to get in #ubuntu-cn
[04:35] <Ward1983> then he can read it whenever he gets back
[04:35] <bsnider> Singer, did madwifi work before?
[04:35] <Singer> bsnider: everywhere I read it basically says that's Atheros 5007
[04:35] <iPeipei> Ward1983: ok,i will have a try
[04:35] <Singer> bsnider: yes it did
[04:35] <robbak> smil3y: Where did you set the device name?
[04:36] <bsnider> Singer, try putting ath5k in the /etc/modules file and rebooting
[04:37] <Singer> wird, it also loaded the module ath_pci
[04:37] <smil3y> robbak>  i didnt, thats all done through the kernel when you plug it in or connect via bt, when i plugged in my card i got a popup saying it detected a cell broadband card, and would i like to configure it........... very nice
[04:37] <bsnider> Singer, wha?
[04:37] <Ward1983> iPeipei ok thanx again
[04:37] <dhng> smil3y: running apt-get upgrade gives me an error with processing linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic_2.6.27-7.11_i386.deb
[04:38] <bsnider> Singer, have you got the linux-restricted-modules package installed?
[04:38] <dhng> for some reason my /boot directory has 0 byte free
[04:38] <Singer> bsnider: when I was using 8.04, I compiled madwifi and it came to a module called ath_pci which then made it working
[04:39] <bsnider> Singer, i are confussed
[04:39] <robbak> smil3y: Hmm seems like it. I plugged in via the cable, and it appeared in the menu. Hmm, I'll have to go digging in the scripts, it seems.
[04:39] <Singer> bsnider: however in 8.10, I did a lsmod and it has both ath5k and ath_pci
[04:39] <bsnider> Singer, how did you just ionstall intrepid?
[04:39] <Singer> clean install from the cd,
[04:39] <Singer> wiping everything
[04:39] <smil3y> dhng>  yeah i had a problem with that kernel too, im using the hardy kernel 2.6.24-19-generic
[04:40] <bsnider> ok, remove the linux-restricted-modules package
[04:40] <bsnider> ath_pci is part of madwifi and is obviously conflicting
[04:40] <smil3y> robbak>  yeah if you tail -f /var/log/messages when you plug it in, you should see it appear
[04:41] <squeegee> woohoo - I got 8.10 x64 to come up.  Changed some BIOS settings, passed a few boot params, and it's up and running.  Whew.
[04:41] <dhng> smil3y: the latest kernel I have is 2.6.24-17
[04:41] <Singer> bsnider: that's not installed (couldnt' find package)
[04:41] <dhng> smil3y: it seems that the installer can't write to /boot
[04:41] <bsnider> Singer, try synaptic
[04:42] <dhng> smil3y: it thinks that there's no free space left
[04:42] <smil3y> dhng>  well that may be your problem then?  whats df -h
[04:42] <Ward1983> gtg, another tip for the wifi trouble, i dunno if its usefull but there are laptops that have trouble with the wifi enabling disabling button, a fellow student had that problem with his laptop
[04:42] <Ward1983> goodluck and goodnigh
[04:42] <Ward1983> t
[04:43] <shirish> hi all, I'm not able to install the 2.6.27-7-generic kernel :(
[04:43] <smil3y> yeah guys im out too, early morning tomorrows another day
[04:43] <shirish> http://pastebin.com/d21b2fc0d
[04:43] <smil3y> good luck
[04:43] <dhng> smil3y: /boot is not in a separate partition
[04:43] <squeegee> bye, amd thanks for the help
[04:43] <dhng> smil3y: yet somehow it thinks that there are no space left
[04:43] <shirish> in my case /boot is a different partition :)
[04:44] <bsnider> shirish, runt he command apt-get autoclean
[04:44] <bsnider> then try again
[04:44] <dhng> smil3y: I'm running it on a different computer so I can't paste the output
[04:44] <smil3y> dhng>  ok once more, whats the output of df -h
[04:44] <bsnider> shirish, what probably happened is your download got corrupted
[04:44] <smil3y> dhng>  does it show free space?
[04:44] <shirish> bsnider: already did that
[04:45] <dhng> smil3y: /dev/sda3 is /boot and it's used 193M out of 193M
[04:45] <Singer> brb, washroom
[04:45] <smil3y> dhng>  thats your problem
[04:45] <shirish> bsnider: but still the same errors are there :(
[04:45] <dhng> smil3y: but /boot is not its own partition
[04:45] <smil3y> dhng>  no space for another kernel
[04:46] <bsnider> shirish, says "missing arch" which arch are you using, i386 or amd64?
[04:46] <shirish> bsnider: i386
[04:46] <bsnider> shirish, which mirror are you using?
[04:46] <shirish> bsnider: the indian mirror
[04:46] <bsnider> it's broken
[04:46] <bsnider> try another one
[04:46] <shirish> bsnider: http://in.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:46] <bsnider> yeah, don't use it
[04:47] <bsnider> try the us mirror
[04:47] <shirish> bsnider: ok will do
[04:47] <dhng> smil3y: oh crap, you're right, this is the default partititon: http://linux.dell.com/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_7.04/Default_Partitions
[04:47] <dhng> smil3y: so what do I remove?
[04:48] <Singer> bsnider: okay.. that worked.. so I have to remove the package that provides restricted modules
[04:48] <bsnider> yes
[04:48] <bsnider> then reboot
[04:48] <bsnider> you'll have wireless through ath5k
[04:48] <Singer> I did, and now its seeing wangWireless :)
[04:48] <bsnider> through the new mac80211 framework
[04:49] <bsnider> no more madwifi
[04:49] <Singer> nice, alotugh the applet just crashed
[04:49] <Singer> oh well!
[04:49] <shirish> bsnider: which one, there are so many us mirrors, any one which you can recommend?
[04:49] <crimsun> us.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:50] <bsnider> shirish, there's a button in synaptic for this
[04:50] <bsnider> yeah, use crimson's mirror
[04:50] <shirish> bsnider: don't u mean software sources?
[04:50] <dli> any special notes for dist-upgrade to 8.10?
[04:51] <bsnider> dli, did you see die hard 4?
[04:51] <bsnider> just kidding
[04:51] <shirish> bsnider: there is neither us.archive.ubuntu.com or/and anything by crimson
[04:51] <shirish> bsnider: is there way to refresh the mirror list?
[04:52] <bsnider> http://archive.ubuntu.com
[04:52] <bsnider> that's main
[04:52] <bsnider> use that
[04:52] <bsnider> packages get to the other mirrors a lot slower
[04:54] <shirish> bsnider: that's the reason why I like/liked the indian mirror, brokeness can also be avoided sometimes ;)
[04:54] <bsnider> it doesn't seem so in this case
[04:54] <shirish> bsnider: right, unfortunately :)
[04:59] <Singer> okay, I offically hate KDE.. is there an way to switch to ubuntu or do I need to reinstall?
[04:59] <bsnider> what's wrong with the k desktop environment?
[04:59] <shirish> bsnider: it automatically started download the kernel-image after it rebuilt the cache
[05:00] <shirish> bsnider: should it be doing that? also I gave an install and then a purge for the same kernel, for I thought it to be an issue, which command would it resolve, the first the second or both?
[05:00] <Singer> bsnider: I like the way that gnome has the programs menu, its a tree menu rather then the way KDE does it with the vista style..
[05:00] <dhng> would it matter if I remove some of the older kernel images in /boot to make space for the new one?
[05:01] <bsnider> dhng, no
[05:01] <Singer> bsnider: I guess I just learned that beta = real beta, it just froze up :)
[05:01] <bsnider> Singer, install the ubuntu-desktop package
[05:02] <bsnider> shirish, it continues trying to apply previously committed changes
[05:02] <shirish> bsnider: dang, I wouldn't want to purge it now that I know the reason what happened
[05:03] <dhng> bsnider: do I need to update grub if I remove the kernel images?
[05:03] <bsnider> shirish, just reinstall it
[05:03] <bsnider> dhng, that will happen automatically
[05:04] <shirish> bsnider: but after installation, the next committed change is purged and from what I remember of purging, it means that the whole image would have to be downloaded again :(
[05:04] <bsnider> shirish, pureg means the config files are also removed
[05:05] <shirish> bsnider: right, that as well
[05:05] <shirish> bsnider: dang, but thanx anyway :)
[05:08] <frybye> hi - I see some effects in yourtube demos that don't seemt to be available in ccsm - like closed windows that dissolve into particles and reduced windows that sort-of shrink smaller at the bottom while reducing - how to get these..?
[05:09] <shirish> frybye: what is ccsm?
[05:11] <blankthemuffin> compiz-config-settings-manager
[05:11] <blankthemuffin> That's question is better asked on a compiz channel.
[05:12] <frybye> blankthemuffin: I have asked it there also but no responses - they seem absent...
[05:13] <frybye> but i seem to have found some stuff now with google that I had missed.. thanks anyhows..#
[05:15] <dhng> how do I generate a new xorg.conf file?
[05:20] <Singer> dion = doomed :)
[05:20] <Singer> (ops, sorry wrong channel)
[05:20] <zyrorl> has anyone else found that network-manager-pptp sends your username as your computer's name rather than the username you set?
[05:21] <fserve> there is a way to use madwifi with dkms?
[05:22] <fserve> someone know how to make the dkms.conf file?
[05:23] <travisivart> are there cd isos for the latest beta?
[05:25] <blankthemuffin> travisivart, it's always been a cd iso?
[05:25] <Nyquist333> I have a question about setting eth0 MTU using "Edit Connections". It always goes back to 1500 after reboot. Any ideas?
[05:28] <travisivart> blankthemuffin: all i can seem to find are dvd isos, could you link me to the page though?
[05:29] <Nyquist333> Does anyone else get "sector read" errors using the intrepid live CD? I can't get it to install.
[05:29] <blankthemuffin> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[05:30] <blankthemuffin> Nyquist333, sounds like your image downloaded or burned incorrectly, did you verify both steps?
[05:30] <Nyquist333> Yes, granted, I had the vbe_init
[05:31] <Nyquist333> issue, that was just fixed.
[05:32] <Nyquist333> I haven't tried it for awhile. I have about 6 burns of intrepid amd64 live CD that do not work. Even tried the generic_ide_all flag (or something)
[05:32] <dhng> I'm getting a bunch of errors when running apt-get upgrade
[05:32] <blankthemuffin> Nyquist333, but did you verify the actual ISO downloaded correctly?
[05:32] <dhng> dependency problems
[05:32] <dhng> how do I take care of the dependency problems?
[05:32] <travisivart> thanks blankthemuffin
[05:33] <travisivart> dhng: i think the preferred method is to do update-manager -c
[05:33] <Nyquist333> No, I did not. I got it from the link at www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta
[05:34] <dhng> travisivart: what does the -c do?
[05:34] <travisivart> Nyquist333: if you're on ubuntu right now you can check the md5sum of the iso you downloaded using md5sum   (md5sum intrepid-blah-blah.iso)
[05:34] <Nyquist333> I've triend 6 different images from the daily builds. Could they all be bad? On different days?
[05:34] <travisivart>        -c, --check-dist-upgrades
[05:34] <travisivart>               Check if a new distribution release is available
[05:34] <Nyquist333> cool, I'll try that.
[05:35] <travisivart> Nyquist333: and on that page you linked, the correct md5sums are listed here: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/MD5SUMS
[05:37] <dhng> I'm getting a bunch of dependency issues when installing ubuntu-desktop.  How do I resolve them?
[05:38] <Nyquist333> ok, I'll try it again, thanks.
[05:38] <dhng> a bunch of packages are not configured yet
[05:39] <Nyquist333> On another issue. Has anyone seen a problem with gnome windows not repainting unless you move the mouse over them. Happens in menus too.
[05:41] <dhng> is it advisable to run apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop and then apt-get install ubuntu-desktop?
[05:42] <travisivart> i don't think that would solve anything since ubuntu-desktop is only a meta-package
[05:42] <blankthemuffin> Yeah, I'm getting a bit of something like that Nyquist333.
[05:44] <Nyquist333> dhng, I don't know how to use apt-get to do this, but the package manager does show what is installed for each package including dependencies. You should be able to check the latest. Maybe try "remove completely" then reinstall.
[05:44] <dhng> Nyquist333: I'm getting a bunch of dependency problems, whereas each package requires the one before it to be configured
[05:46] <Nyquist333> Did you crash during an update or something? I've not been that unluckly yet. I've been updating from 8.04 on the same machine since Alpha release.
[06:24] <Cycom> anyone else having that issue where their sound is just quiet static?
[06:47] <Nhorning1> Sound... Not... Working....
[06:47] <Nhorning1> Need...  Help...
[06:48] <Nhorning1> pulse audio is showing everything working correctly
[06:48] <Nhorning1> but the sound is just not coming out
[06:48] <Nhorning1> anybody here?
[06:49] <blankthemuffin> mmm
[06:50] <blankthemuffin> In System->Preferences->Sound, do the test buttons make any noise?
[06:50] <Nhorning1> no they don't
[06:50] <Nhorning1> some of the devices that they list won't open though
[06:51] <blankthemuffin> No matter what sound provider you try?
[06:52] <Nhorning1> yes, but some provide an error
[06:52] <Nhorning1> audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink: Could not open audio device for playback.
[06:52] <Nhorning1> that one
[06:53] <Nhorning1> the new desktop background rocks though
[07:00] <andresmh>  i removed the wifi selector gnome panel item. I tried adding it again but it's not in the list of items to be added. Any ideas how I can recover it?
[07:18] <crdlb> andresmh: you're probably talking about the Notification Area
[07:19] <crdlb> which is being used as a system tray by nm-applet (which isn't really an applet) to hold that wifi selector
[07:20] <andresmh> crdlb: yeah, not knowing it was called notification area was my problem :)
[07:21] <crdlb> that was a subtle hint by the gnome people to _not_ use it like nm-applet uses it :D
[07:23] <andresmh> makes sense
[07:24] <andresmh> so i am not able to get my mic to work since i moved to intrepid
[07:25] <andresmh> how can I find out if my kernel/alsa support my sound card?
[07:26] <andresmh> it's an intel 82801H
[07:28] <freaky_t> is there a chance that kdevelop will be able to compile programs again under intrepid? :(
[07:33] <andresmh> for some reason GnomeDo shows Home Folder but it never opens
[07:33] <andresmh> hnmm
[07:33] <RAOF> andresmh: That _should_ bring up Nautilus.  it doesn't?
[07:35] <andresmh> nope RAOF
[07:35] <andresmh> it just thinks for a bit and then nothing
[07:35] <andresmh> it's not a big deal, i was just wondering what was it supposed to do :)
[07:35] <RAOF> andresmh: What's in the second pane?
[07:36] <andresmh> "Run"
[07:36] <RAOF> Hm.  that works here :)
[07:37] <andresmh> what i still don't get is why if I move an .desktop app to /usr/shares/applications it doesn't show it in gnomedo as the docs say
[07:38] <RAOF> You mean "/usr/share/applications", right?
[07:38] <andresmh> yes
[07:38] <RAOF> There are a number of possible reasons.  The library that Do uses to do that was recently broken, or your .desktop file could have 'Hidden=True', or could be malformed.
[07:40] <andresmh> um, how do I know if I have the broken one? i do update every day
[07:40] <andresmh> in fact i am updating now
[07:40] <RAOF> then you'd have the working one.
[07:41] <andresmh> umm, i am looking at gnome-terminal.desktop
[07:42] <andresmh> it does open gnome terminal it just doesn't listen to a change i made to the .desktop script to set the geometry
[07:49] <BronzeWalla> i'm trying to install ubuntu on a dell studio and everything seemed to install fine but when i reboot without cd, i get vertical colored lines (picture upon request).
[07:49] <BronzeWalla> can anyone help?
[08:03] <frybye> hi - each time we login too skype or change the user and re-log - the microphone settings gets changed to one that is no longer attached... how to deal with this?
[08:04] <frybye> - of course there are skype forums (not irc I guess..) but this is more a matter of how to get rid of a defunct microphone seting in intrepid than anything skype- specific..
[08:04] <wang_> help
[08:04] <wang_> I can't get my gnome-power-manager to start
[08:04] <wang_> I run it but it doesn't show up on my bar. can anyone help?
[08:05] <crdlb> wang_: do you have a Notification Area in your panel?
[08:05] <wang_> crdlb: I think  so, I have the volume applet and the network-manager and bluetooth thing
[08:06] <wang_> crdlb: yep, I do..
[08:06] <crdlb> ok, networkmanager does use it (the volume applet doesn't though)
[08:07] <wang_> and bluetooth applet
[08:07]  * crdlb does not have any ideas then
[08:07] <wang_> arg..
[08:07] <crdlb> is gnome-power-manager already running?
[08:07] <wang_> is there a bug forums I can look at?
[08:08] <crdlb> (I mean that if you try starting it while it's already running, nothing will happen)
[08:08] <wang_> no, but I run it manually (gnome-power-manager)
[08:08] <wang_> and nothing happen
[08:08] <wang_> crdlb: under 8.04 there is an icon in the notification area for the gnome-power-manager.. but there is none in 8.10
[08:09] <wgrant> wang_: System->Preferences->Power Management, check the setting for when to show the tray icon.
[08:09] <crdlb> oh, that could be it :)
[08:09] <wang_> umm
[08:09] <wang_> okay, this is now bad
[08:10] <wang_> it doesn't recongize my battery or something
[08:10] <wgrant> wang_: Is it actually running?
[08:10] <wang_> I verified via ps -ef | grep gnome-power
[08:10] <wang_> it is runnnning
[08:11] <wang_> wgrant: brb, let me reboot
[08:11] <wgrant> wang_: Sounds like a good idea.
[08:14] <wang_> okay
[08:14] <wang_> I got a new problem now
[08:14] <wang_> ubuntu doesn't see my battery or something
[08:15] <wang_> under 8.04 it would show me a battery when I unplug my laptop and show me a battery %
[08:15] <wang_> now in 8.10 I get nothing
[08:16] <wang_> can anyone help?
[08:16] <blankthemuffin> What's your laptop wang_ ?
[08:17] <wang_> its a compaq persario C751NR
[08:17] <blankthemuffin> So the power applet shows up at all?
[08:18] <wang_> I got the power applet to show up by going to system->preferences->power management
[08:18] <wang_> and under general choose 'always display icon'
[08:18] <blankthemuffin> And it's on always display I presume?
[08:18] <blankthemuffin> mmm.
[08:19] <wang_> mmm
[08:19] <wang_> this is interesting
[08:20] <wang_> /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0//state says that present: no
[08:20] <wang_> which is impossible
[08:20] <blankthemuffin> Does your screen dim when you unplug power?
[08:20] <blankthemuffin> like the plug pack, not the battery :P
[08:21] <wang_> blankthemuffin: nope.. same level
[08:21] <blankthemuffin> So it looks like your battery is being totally ignored.
[08:22] <wang_> blankthemuffin: possible, but I know the battery and the system is okay since 1) I'm running on it and b) in windows I'm able to see the battery
[08:22] <maxb_> Does the dist-upgrader use the python-apt installation already on the original system?
[08:22] <wang_> and till about 2 hours ago, I was able to see the battery too in Ubuntu
[08:22]  * maxb_ is trying to work out how to inject extra debugging
[08:22] <blankthemuffin> Yeah I don't mean there's a problem with the battery, I just mean for some reason the kernel is ignoring it.
[08:23] <wang_> and this isn't an upgrade install, it was a wipe->install and then update to the latest
[08:23] <Exilant> in ibex/kde4, i get dead keys on my keyboard although nodeadkeys is in xorg.conf. in kde4/regional, all is disabled. is that a kde4 or an X issue?
[08:24] <wang_> should I file a bug report in launchpad
[08:24] <blankthemuffin> I suppose so, I'm looking about for them now and I can't seem to find any related.
[08:25] <Exilant> wang_: can you see it in /proc/acpi/battery?
[08:26] <wang_> Exilant: there's /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0 and there's three file inside the bat0 directory
[08:26] <Exilant> yes, here too
[08:26] <wang_> there's three files, alarm/info/state and each of them says present: no
[08:27] <Exilant> seems bad
[08:27] <blankthemuffin> is there anything in the syslog about the battery
[08:27] <blankthemuffin> ?
[08:27] <Exilant> is the battery module loaded? lsmod | grep battery?
[08:28] <wang_> ahh, interesting
[08:28] <blankthemuffin>  cat /var/log/syslog | grep battery
[08:28] <wang_> Exilant: lsmod | grep battery shows: battery 18436 0
[08:28] <wang_> blankthemuffin: that shows a few lines of Oct 15 03:12:04 wang-laptop kernel: [   15.756101] ACPI: Battery Slot [BAT0] (battery absent)
[08:29] <blankthemuffin> working shows: Any error kind of lines wang_ ?
[08:30] <wang_> something called uvesafb error
[08:30] <wang_> but I suspect that's a video thing
[08:30] <Exilant> sounds so
[08:31] <Exilant> probably a kernel issue then, you can try booting into the -6 kernel or so, if you still have it around
[08:32] <wang_> Exilant: how do I get the -6 kernel? I did an upgrade already and its still on the -4 kernel
[08:33] <wang_> 2.6.27-4
[08:34] <Exilant> ah, and in 2.6.17-7, the same issue?
[08:35] <wang_> not sure, but it works 100% in 8.0.4 (whatever it uses)
[08:36] <Exilant> you could file a bug, but maybe its already fixed in -7
[08:37] <Exilant> hardy is 2.6.24-21 afaik
[08:37] <Exilant> a bit older
[08:39] <wang__> ops, that's what I get for testing my battery and forgetting to plug it back in
[08:39] <Exilant> *g*
[08:41] <blankthemuffin> lols
[08:44] <wang__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/283611
[08:44] <wang__> am I missing anything there?
[08:47] <wang__> is that the office bug repository? or is there somewhere else I need to submit it?
[08:47] <Exilant> no, that's the right place for ubuntu bugs
[08:48] <wang__> :)
[08:48] <wang__> okay, time to go to sleep
[08:48] <Exilant> though i'm wondering why you have such an old version of the kernel
[08:49] <wang__> Exilant: 2.6.27-4 ?
[08:49] <Exilant> well, "old"
[08:49] <Exilant> or have i enabled -proposed or stuff to get to -7?
[08:49] <wang__> isn't that the latest for 8.10?
[08:49] <Exilant> afaik not
[08:50] <Exilant> but you'll see if you try to dist-upgrade
[08:51] <wang__> wierd
[08:51] <wang__> why do I have do a dist-upgrade?
[08:51] <wang__> if I already installed 8.10 from the cd? shouldn't an upgrade do it?
[08:52] <Exilant> dist-upgrade is just a bit more aggressive than update
[08:52] <wang__> okay, doing that now
[08:52] <Exilant> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade should get you the newest versions of everything
[08:53] <Exilant> *bit more aggressive than upgrade
[08:54] <Exilant> if you leave the dist- out, ie. apt-get upgrade, apt will avoid installing any new packages, such as new kernels
[08:54] <wang__> ok, its downloading.. kind of slow as the roomate is watching KY TV
[09:04] <wang_> Exilant: that worked, thanks.. I'll ask for the bug to be closed..
[09:04] <wang_> (they better ship with 2.6.27-7)
[09:05] <Exilant> yes, weird with the download cds
[09:05] <wang_> (I just downloaded the cd like 3 hours ago too)
[09:05] <Exilant> but i guess there are also arguments against daily builds
[09:22] <blankthemuffin> If I remove a source from apt, is there a way to automatically remove all packages provided by it?
[09:23] <Exilant> synaptic had a filter, afaik
[09:23] <Exilant> but there also is probably a fully-automated way
[09:32] <eagles0513875> hey all when is intrepid set to release
[09:34] <TheInfinity> -> topic
[09:37] <sentiece> how can i remap the live cd to use a iso instead of the cd while it is running?
[09:38] <sentiece> or otherwise burn a cd while running the live cd, given the iso is on harddisk and i have swap
[09:39] <xjohnthomasx> hi all -- ubuntu intrepid keeps losing my internet connection. it's completely unpredictable, and i need help figuring out what it could be! my signal and router are fine, because i can connect with other computers. i can also connect to it with the 8.10 computer immediately upon restart or starting up a session.. however, after a while, it just cuts out, and then won't reconnect, even though the card is still responding to the net
[09:39] <xjohnthomasx> wo
 rkmanager and the iwlist commands -- and it shows the various available wireless nets.. just tries to connect, gets the good signals, and then in the end doesn't connect!!! what is going on??? i have tried finding bugs, and there seem to be some similar, but none exactly the same... i need to hear some feedback from some experts in here :)
[09:40] <xjohnthomasx> i have done a lot of reading about it, but i dont know what/how to do anything next.. or if it's a bug or if it's not.. i need some advice?
[09:41] <xjohnthomasx> this room is awfully quiet, by contrast to the ubuntu room... is anyone alive/in here???
[09:46] <sentiece> i agree
[09:46] <sentiece> and the ubuntu room is allways full of boring beginner talk
[09:47] <sentiece> and nobody usually answers your questions
[09:47] <blankthemuffin> Wireless xjohnthomasx?
[09:47] <xjohnthomasx> yesss
[09:47] <sentiece> and ideas on how can i remap the live cd to use a iso instead of the cd while it is running?
[09:47] <sentiece> so i can burn a cd
[09:47] <blankthemuffin> I'm thinking about it sentiece.
[09:48] <blankthemuffin> You can't just take it out can you?
[09:48] <xjohnthomasx> no one even readsssss your question, let alone helps discuss or think about it.. it's a rarity, unless you are really insistent (and often criticized) for it, as i have had to be :-/
[09:48] <xjohnthomasx> (in that room)
[09:48] <sentiece> no the os block reving the cd
[09:48] <sentiece> and its not in mtab proper
[09:48] <blankthemuffin> xjohnthomasx, have a look see at your /var/log/syslog the command: tail -f /var/log/syslog should be useful.
[09:49] <sentiece> its a fancy way of having read come from cd and writes to ramdisk
[09:49] <xjohnthomasx> i'll pastebin it, although i doubt i myself would understand it..
[09:49] <xjohnthomasx> oh wait, that computer has no internet connection.. eek.. i dont know how i could pastebin it
[09:49] <blankthemuffin> no you don't need to do that xjohnthomasx.
[09:50] <blankthemuffin> Just leave that command running, and when your connection dies, flick over to it and see if you can find an error.
[09:50] <sentiece> im running on the 8.04 beta and i want the 8.10 beta to try out to see if my destip is worth updating, my motherboard was bad so i cant run my 64bit os
[09:50] <blankthemuffin> Can't you burn the image from whatever os you usually use sentiece ?
[09:51] <sentiece> above ^
[09:51] <sentiece> i had to send it back
[09:51] <sentiece> it worked for about 4-5 days
[09:51] <blankthemuffin> Then what?
[09:51] <sentiece> and i dont feel like reinstalling a 32=bit for a week
[09:52] <blankthemuffin> xjohnthomasx,  I used to have a problem with my intel n wireless card where it would drop out at regular but random intervals, but that seems to have been fixed with this intrepid install.
[09:52] <sentiece> it wouldnt start, no bios no nothing
[09:52] <blankthemuffin> Oh so you full on broke your pc
[09:53] <sentiece> also do you know how i can get a grub menu-proper from the live cd?
[09:53] <xjohnthomasx> it seems to be an ip config dhcp timeout!
[09:53] <xjohnthomasx> so maybe it has to do with how the dhcp3 is working????
[09:53] <sentiece> so i can try to bot my old xp install
[09:53] <xjohnthomasx> it seems ot go through the setup, utnil that stage, fine
[09:53] <xjohnthomasx> and then when it times out, it deactivates the device..
[09:54] <blankthemuffin> sentiece, you can without too much trouble recover grub from a live cd
[09:54] <sentiece> it wouldnt install
[09:54] <sentiece> idk why
[09:54] <blankthemuffin> What process did you use?
[09:54] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, should sent try taking the cmos battery out and then getting bios back, and then booting from the live cd??
[09:54] <sentiece> it seems my first root (my home is same) died when my motherboard died
[09:54] <blankthemuffin> Well the bios has to be working if he's booting a live cd/
[09:55] <xjohnthomasx> right, cmos out oand in shoudnt that reset the bios to factory default?
[09:55] <sentiece> im on another computer
[09:55] <sentiece> some harddrive
[09:55] <blankthemuffin> Oh ok
[09:55] <sentiece> thats why i cant run the 64 bit os
[09:55] <blankthemuffin> sentiece, does the thing power up, offer any error beeps?
[09:55] <xjohnthomasx> the battery on the mobo which says cmos, shouldnt that if he takes it out for a minute or two, and then puts it back in, reset the bios to factory default that he can boot from cd or at least get into bios again?
[09:56] <sentiece> no beeps if it had memory plugged in, i allready sent it back to the retailer
[09:56] <blankthemuffin> oh ok
[09:56] <xjohnthomasx> well memory plugged in is kind of crucial :)
[09:56] <sentiece> but usually hey beep without a video card and this never did that
[09:56] <xjohnthomasx> sentiece, you could have turned off the bios wsarnings ..
[09:56] <xjohnthomasx> if the bios is fried, then it doesnt even know there is or isnt a vid card
[09:56] <sentiece> no
[09:56] <sentiece> i reset the cmos
[09:57] <sentiece> but it didnt beep even beore it fried
[09:57] <xjohnthomasx> ah you reset it.. good and now bios works?
[09:57] <sentiece> and to get it to work the first time i had to use a pci vid card and then set it to accept pci-e
[09:57] <sentiece> no it fried and sent back
[09:57] <sentiece> now im stuck on live cd for a week or so
[09:57] <blankthemuffin> ok
[09:58] <sentiece> but i want to move to 8.10 to try it out but cant cause the live cd uses up my cd-rw
[09:58] <xjohnthomasx> oooh.. so install your live cd to 8.04?
[09:58] <xjohnthomasx> and then after that finishes, upgrade to 8.10 with another cd or internet connection?
[09:58] <sentiece> kinda alot just to get a 8.10 cd burned though
[09:58] <sentiece> but yeahg
[09:59] <xjohnthomasx> do you have two cd drivers?
[09:59] <xjohnthomasx> drives
[09:59] <sentiece> nope
[09:59] <sentiece> rarely use the one
[09:59] <sentiece> cept for now
[09:59] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, did you see my comment/reply to my problem before? about dhcp?? the syslogs showed that stuff...
[09:59] <xjohnthomasx> sent.. so what is exactly the problem? it seems you just have to install 8.04 first. get the sys running. then download and install/upgrade 8.10, and all will be well?
[10:00] <sentiece> although ive been thinking about upgrading to a dual layer, but not really worth the money
[10:00] <blankthemuffin> xjohnthomasx, so it does give you an ip initially? Or you never get one?
[10:00] <sentiece> yeah i can get it to work
[10:00] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, i never get one..
[10:00] <xjohnthomasx> it sets up.. it gets to dhcp stage.. and times out.. and then it deactivates the card.. and exits the setup process..
[10:00] <blankthemuffin> So you never get on the net?
[10:01] <xjohnthomasx> correct
[10:01] <blankthemuffin> ok
[10:01] <xjohnthomasx> there's obviously something going on with dhcp
[10:01] <xjohnthomasx> ?
[10:01] <blankthemuffin> Your network card shows up, and I presume you can see wireless networks in the connection manager?
[10:01] <xjohnthomasx> network card shows. works fine in iwlist scan.
[10:01] <blankthemuffin> You join with the desktop applet?
[10:02] <blankthemuffin> network-manager it is?
[10:02] <xjohnthomasx> i tried both. same results.
[10:02] <blankthemuffin> ok
[10:02] <xjohnthomasx> tried manually and nm-applet or whatever (desktop applet).
[10:02] <xjohnthomasx> network-manager-gnome
[10:02] <sentiece> did 8.10 add a gui to clear the unclean bit on a ntfs?
[10:02] <xjohnthomasx> networkmanager-gnome-frontend? or somethin like that.. semantics.. but yeha, trie dboth
[10:03] <xjohnthomasx> sentiece, dont know, but i think you can download a gui for fsck or similar programs that can check and force clean ntfs drives..
[10:03] <blankthemuffin> If you rightclick on the desktop applet thing you should be able to choose manage connections
[10:03] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, yeah i did that..
[10:04] <blankthemuffin> you made sure that within the wireless tab and then edit your network that the security settings are correct?
[10:05] <blankthemuffin> as well as the ipv4 tab in there should be set to dhcp.
[10:05] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, they're fine.. as i mentioned, they work fine if i restart the computer, and upon that first log on to a wireless network.. it's just once the connnection gets dropped, and as the computer wants to reset/reconnect, then it doesnt connect...
[10:05] <blankthemuffin> Oh ok.
[10:05] <blankthemuffin> Do you get an error when it actually drops?
[10:06] <blankthemuffin> like in the syslog
[10:06] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, tail wasn't running at that time. so i dont know.
[10:06] <blankthemuffin> That's what you need to find out.
[10:06] <xjohnthomasx> so how can i scour the log to see if that's the case?
[10:06] <sentiece> dang aparentaly they overlooked the eject button on apple keyboards but it still didnt work
[10:06] <xjohnthomasx> surely the computer logged the activity even though i didnt have tail on..
[10:06] <sentiece> now i kinda bricked my live session too
[10:06] <xjohnthomasx> but where/how would i find that line?
[10:07] <blankthemuffin> yeah, you can cat /var/log/syslog but it will probably be huge
[10:07] <xjohnthomasx> sentiece, why are you still running a live session and not just installing the ubuntu to the hd??
[10:07] <sentiece> i guess i will
[10:07] <xjohnthomasx> what's cat mean? also, what should i do to filter it?
[10:07] <xjohnthomasx> sentiece, yeah, you should really do that.. youll enjoy it a lot more and have many fewer problems. ; )
[10:07] <blankthemuffin> hang on I'm checking now xjohnthomasx.
[10:08] <xjohnthomasx> k
[10:08] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, ill be back in 3 minutes while you do that.
[10:08] <blankthemuffin> xjohnthomasx, cat /var/log/syslog | grep network
[10:08] <Exilant> where would i configure keyboard options for X11 in ibex? xorg.conf gets ignored with evdev, it seems
[10:08] <blankthemuffin> might get you somewhere
[10:10] <petererer> hmm, amsynth won't load :(
[10:10] <Plz> When I updated 8.10 today it removed my old nice wallpaper /"(¤#&!)/("!&!"¤=)(¤#!
[10:11] <Plz> How can I get back the 8.10 Beta wallpaper?
[10:11] <Plz> the one with lots of circles.
[10:11] <Plz> in diffrent brown collours.
[10:12] <xjohnthomasx> ok
[10:12] <xjohnthomasx> plz google it, and download it, and use it via sys preferences  :)
[10:13] <blankthemuffin> Plz, right click on your desktop and select choose desktop background.
[10:13] <Plz> xjohnthomasx: I`ve been searching for ages...
[10:13] <Plz> blankthemeuffin: it`s gone...
[10:14] <Plz> All the old 8.10 beta wallpapers are gone after I updated Ubuntu today.
[10:14] <blankthemuffin> heh odd, mine are still there.
[10:14] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, it doesnt say anything in cat command..?
[10:14] <Plz> not mines :S
[10:15] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, it shows a bunch of activations and what not.. and there are a few networkmanagerinfo update calls.. but nothing stands out to me..
[10:15] <blankthemuffin> you might have to restart and watch it manually xjohnthomasx.
[10:16] <Plz> I want http://www.phoronix.net/image.php?id=0x2008&image=ubuntu_intrepid_theme1_lrg picture back....!!!!!
[10:16] <Plz> ("!/)=(¤!/=)!("¤/!)"(¤%"#)==¤"!)
[10:16] <petererer> Plz: http://fuzzle.org/~petern/810/
[10:17] <Plz> THere it is :D
[10:17] <Plz> THank you so much, petererer =))))))))
[10:23] <xjohnthomasx> blankthemuffin, should the dmesg command help? what's tha tshow? it does show some errors that other people have gotten.. but i dont kbnow if that is just happening on initial start or something....
[10:25] <xjohnthomasx> petererer, any experience with wireless?? want to help with a great wireless issue? did you see my question way up above?
[10:26] <petererer> 'fraid not, mine just works, but i've not tried it with intrepid yet.
[10:27] <corp> hello
[10:28] <corp> i'm trying out the intrepid beta
[10:28] <corp> i'm using in on amazon EC2, so it has the 2.6.21.7-2.fc8xen kernel
[10:29] <corp> anyone experienced issues with that combination?
[10:35] <ikonia> corp: where did you get that kernel
[10:35] <ikonia> that looks like a fedora 8 xen kernel
[10:35] <corp> ikonia: that kernel comes with the amazon EC2 AMI: http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=1613&categoryID=101
[10:36] <corp> i guess it's intrepid alpha
[10:36] <ikonia> corp: I don't think thats intended for ubuntu use
[10:36] <ikonia> just looking at the name convention alone
[10:36] <corp> well i dont think there are any other available xen kernels
[10:36] <ikonia> corp possibly amazon doesn't support anything other an a fedora 8, or fedora based platform
[10:37] <corp> i'm not too concerned about that
[10:37] <corp> but this is the intrepid alpha. how can i upgrade to the beta?
[10:38] <ikonia> well the kernel is going to cause you an issue with the update
[10:38] <corp> the update would try to update the kernel? I guess so
[10:38] <ikonia> corp: and if you just use update manager to keep up to date, you'll find your using the latest beta
[10:38] <corp> update manager?
[10:38] <ikonia> yes, the package manager
[10:38] <corp> would apt-get dist-upgrade get me there?
[10:39] <ikonia> apt-get upgrade would
[10:39] <corp> i see it wants to install some things, but not a kernel image
[10:39] <corp> is there a definitive way to see which release of a dist i'm using?
[10:40] <ikonia> corp lsb_release -a
[10:47] <corp> thanks ikonia
[10:47] <corp> one more question
[10:47] <corp> ruby 1.8.7 is default on intrepid. i want to downgrade to 1.8.6.111
[10:47] <corp> what's the best way?
[10:49] <xjohnthomasx> can anyone help why my cdrom on intrepid is failing to mount??????
[10:52] <ikonia> corp can't really
[10:52] <corp> ikonia: can't?
[10:52] <ikonia> corp no, can't
[10:52] <corp> of course you can
[10:52] <ikonia> corp: then why are you asking how to do it
[10:53] <corp> ikonia: i'm asking 'the best way'
[10:53] <ikonia> corp: the only way would be to build and package it yourself
[10:53] <ikonia> as the package is not available in the 8.10 repos
[10:53] <corp> there are already packages for 1.8.6.111 out there for hardy
[10:53] <ikonia> corp but your not using hardy - so they shouldn't be used
[10:53] <corp> ikonia: so it's better to create a new package than use the old one?
[10:53] <ikonia> yes
[10:53] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, my cdrom drive wont mount in 8.10... you know why?
[10:53] <corp> i'm wondering if i can base the new one on the old then
[10:53] <ikonia> so the dependencies are met
[10:54] <ikonia> totally yes
[10:54] <corp> the dependencies are really the same for the two packages
[10:54] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, can you tell me why?
[10:54] <ikonia> corp: use the old package source package to use as a bass
[10:54] <corp> ikonia: ok. usually i use apt-get source to grab those. is there another way to do it?
[10:54] <ikonia> corp: just edit things like teh dependency version etc etc so it falls in line with 8.10
[10:54] <corp> so i can get the .dsc files and all that
[10:54] <ikonia> corp: your way would work fine too
[10:54] <ikonia> corp: yes,
[10:55] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, the tail log says it's an i/o error..
[10:55] <corp> ikonia: so i'd have to add hardy's repo to grab that?
[10:55] <liw> what's the status of multi-head support in intrepid, using free ati drivers only?
[10:55] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx: I'm in the middle of a conversation - it's rude to just keep pushing a question on me
[10:55] <ikonia> corp: ahh, that brings an interesting dileama
[10:55] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, sorry.. just was keeping you posted on the situation
[10:56] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx: your not posting your talking/highlighting me
[10:56] <ikonia> corp: you can add it as a "source" repo only
[10:56] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, you seem to be the most knowledgeable in here.. :)
[10:56] <corp> ikonia: ah, good idea
[10:57] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx I don't think so
[10:57] <ikonia> corp: hand on heart, I'm not sure if that will cause any issues with dependency chekcing if you download a package from the 8.10 repo (It shouldn't but I've never mixed source repos from a differnt version with package from a current)
[10:58] <corp> ikonia: in this case, i dont think so. the deps for the two are most likely identical
[10:58] <corp> oh well, maybe not...
[10:58] <ikonia> corp minor changes in the versions, but when you do an apt-get update to get the new repo visable it checks ALL dependencis for ALL packages, not not just the one you grab
[10:59] <ikonia> actually, I worded that bad, let me try again
[10:59] <ikonia> it gets the repo info for the whole repo, not just teh current one
[10:59] <ikonia> you should be fine, just something to keep an eye on
[10:59] <corp> hmm now i get E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/us.archive.ubuntu.com_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory)
[11:00] <ikonia> corp does the file exist ?
[11:00] <corp> no . i just added those source repos to sources.list
[11:00] <corp> maybe i need to update?
[11:00] <ikonia> corp: %100
[11:00] <ikonia> so it can download the info
[11:00] <ikonia> (this is what I was saying a few lines earlier)
[11:01] <corp> yeah. hmm
[11:01] <corp> we'l see what happens
[11:01] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, can you take a look at my issue, too, while youre helping with the other issue of corp?
[11:01] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx i/o error normally means the cdrom in the drivei s bad
[11:02] <corp> it's too bad 1.8.7 was included in intrepid. it's a somewhat buggy release of ruby
[11:02] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, it's not. it's the intrepid rom i used to install the whole system, and i did a md5sum check before i did that, and it was perfectly fine!
[11:02] <xjohnthomasx> (it successfully installedl the system, too... )
[11:02] <ikonia> try another cdrom
[11:02] <ikonia> any one
[11:02] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, also, when i press the eject button on the cd drive, it opens, and then it closes right away without staying open!
[11:03] <corp> ikonia: so now apt-get source ruby1.8 still pulls down the newer version. should i temporarily remove the intrepid repos from source list?
[11:03] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx: use "eject cdrom"
[11:03] <ikonia> corp no, you need to use apt-cache policy
[11:03] <ikonia> corp: thats what I said about the version conflicts
[11:03] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, it says no media in rom.. and doesnt eject anything.. i will try to grab the cdrom really quick when it opens before it clsoes...
[11:04] <corp> ikonia: hmm. i don't know how to use that
[11:04] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx may be better to reboot and put a cdrom in before ubuntu boots
[11:04] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx: save damaging any hardware
[11:04] <ikonia> corp: man it, it's not too hard
[11:04] <ikonia> corp: I think there is also a line on apt-get you can say apt-get repo package
[11:05] <corp> really?
[11:05] <ikonia> corp not %100 certain on that, but if you man it you may find there is a method
[11:05] <corp> ah, /etc/apt/preferences maybe
[11:05] <ikonia> I remember some discussion about it a while ago, but that doesn't mean it exists
[11:06] <corp> The APT preferences file overrides the
[11:06] <corp>        priorities that APT assigns to package versions by default, thus giving the user control over which one is selected for installation.
[11:06] <corp> bingo
[11:07] <xjohnthomasx> ikonia, how could a freshly burned cd, with a correct md5, get corrupted, when it properly installed the whole system just a lil while ago?
[11:07] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx I don't know
[11:07] <ikonia> xjohnthomasx: it may not be corrupted, hence why I said try another cd
[11:08] <xjohnthomasx> i tried another, and another worked
[11:08] <xjohnthomasx> should i just reburn the cd, and see??
[11:08] <ikonia> if you want
[11:11] <corp> hmm, i'm not getting man apt_preferences
[11:11] <ikonia> man apt-cache
[11:12] <corp> i looked in there. you can list policies
[11:12] <corp> but to override, you need to edit this file
[11:12] <ikonia> and set policies
[11:12] <ikonia> apt-ache policy will set a polict too
[11:12] <ikonia> policy
[11:13] <corp> i dont see how
[11:19] <Martiini> haha .. firefox 3 crashed my whole gnome gnome desktop 3 mins ago
[11:20] <sancho21> Will Openoffice 3 included in Interpid? What about package for Hardy?
[11:24] <corp> ikonia: do you know i can 'pin' a 'metapackage'? the 'ruby' package seems to encompass many others, and its version is 4.1
[11:25] <ikonia> sorry what are you asking
[11:25] <corp> when you do apt-get install ruby, it actually installs a number of packages
[11:26] <corp> i want to pin the version of the packages installed by ruby, by pinning ruby, not by pinning ruby1.8.6.111-ubuntu2
[11:26] <ikonia> are they not depenencies?
[11:26] <corp> 'ruby' is not a package in itself, afaik
[11:26] <ikonia> without having access to an ubuntu box, don't know
[11:26] <corp> ah well
[11:27] <corp> there is this : ii  ruby                              4.1                         An interpreter of object-oriented scripting
[11:27] <corp> but also: ii  ruby1.8                           1.8.6.111-2ubuntu1.1        Interpreter of object-oriented scripting lan
[11:27] <corp> what does '4.1' mean here?
[11:27] <ikonia> not sure
[11:36] <corp> ikonia: ok, the solution was /etc/apt/preferesnces
[11:36] <ikonia> ok
[11:36] <corp> this page helped: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin
[11:48] <Nhorning> hey there
[11:49] <Nhorning> anybody know how I can configure my sound drivers?
[11:53] <testi_> KDE4 flickers. I heard I have to stop some kind of a RANDR monitor changes service. How can I stop that service?
[11:55] <theine> hi, under Intrepid the fonts in gnome-terminal (as opposed to _all_ other Gnome apps) are all blurry, does anybody know how to fix this?
[11:57] <cwillu> somebody should probably talk me out of upgrading my main desktop
[11:58] <cwillu> theine, I was about to tell you what happened, and how to fix it, but then you disconnected
[11:58] <cwillu> and so now I'll just hate you forever
[11:58] <cwillu> love, cwillu
[12:06] <Nhorning> Hi
[12:06] <Nhorning> my sounds not working
[12:06] <Nhorning> Pulse seems to be
[12:07] <Tm_T> Nhorning: good
[12:07] <Nhorning> should I reinstall my Alsa drivers?
[12:07] <Tm_T> Nhorning: stop leaning to enter for starters (:)
[12:07] <Tm_T> then read...
[12:07] <Tm_T> !sound | Nhorning
[12:08] <Nhorning> file?
[12:09] <Nhorning> there was a drop down list to select my card with also mixer
[12:09] <Nhorning> everything but master seemed to be muted too...
[12:11] <bob_sinclair> hi - are nvidia 71,96 still no good?
[12:11] <Nhorning> my sound now works
[12:11] <Nhorning> double click...
[12:11] <Nhorning> who would have thought
[12:11] <Nhorning> thanks!!!!
[12:11] <cwillu> !enter | Nhorning
[12:11] <Nhorning> ibex now works
[12:12]  * cwillu pokes Nhorning with a pointy stick
[12:12] <Nhorning> s
[12:12] <Nhorning> o
[12:12] <Nhorning> r
[12:12] <Nhorning> r
[12:12] <Nhorning> y
[12:12] <Nhorning> :)
[12:12]  * Hobbsee puts Nhorning in a very thin tube
[12:12] <Nhorning> I'll be leaving now...    Thanks again
[12:12]  * Hobbsee caps both ends.
[12:13] <Nhorning> You already fixed my computer, to late
[12:13] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: did you get the internet working?
[12:13] <elkbuntu> not to late to remove you if you dont start behaving.
[12:13] <cwillu> s <is that that tongue emoticon?>  o  <omg>  r   <he isn't!>   r  <he can't!?>  y    </me runs out of the room screaming>
[12:13] <Nhorning> It was a kernal bug
[12:14] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:17] <Nhorning> I had to revert to 2.6.24-19.   Now that I have time,  I think I'll be making sure the bug is being tracked for my hardware properly.    can I get my system to automatically boot this old kernal just by moving it's entry to the top of grub, or do I have to do something more complicated?
[12:18] <Nhorning> Notice how that wasn't punctuated with enter...
[12:19] <cwillu> very impressive
[12:20] <cwillu> I get the feeling that update-grub will break the obvious way
[12:20] <cwillu> There's a section of menu.lst for static entries though, and moving the 2.6.24-19 entry there should probably work
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Nhorning: you can move it
[12:22] <Nhorning> in Grub?
[12:22] <Hobbsee> but, yeah, if you move it above the dynamically generated stuff
[12:22] <Hobbsee> nah, /boot/grub/menu.list
[12:22] <Nhorning> err menu.lst
[12:22] <Hobbsee> then it won't get overwritten
[12:23] <Nhorning> well, maybe I should put it where it will get over written,  that way I will know when there has been a Kernel update
[12:23] <cwillu> kernel update would prompt you to reboot
[12:23] <cwillu> don't think there's much else that would
[12:23] <cwillu> xorg
[12:24] <blankthemuffin> dammit, updates to intrepid have made the graphics system unstable.
[12:24] <Nhorning> I've noticed
[12:24] <blankthemuffin> compiz is crashing here.
[12:24] <Nhorning> and whats more,  when you configure your resolution, they took out the auto-revert unless changes are accepted thing
[12:25] <Nhorning> so if it screws up, you're hosed
[12:25] <Nhorning> Unless you know the shortcut key to reset it, which I don't
[12:30] <Nhorning> It's blank?
[12:30] <Nhorning> What am I doing wrong?
[12:31] <clau30> hi. I got cpu load >90% with firefox all the time.. what's wrong?
[12:32] <Nhorning> oh, you added an extraneous i you sly dog you.
[12:33] <clau30> :D
[12:38] <Nhorning> so, if I put the stable Kernel in the static section,  The only problem I'll have is that new Kernels will not automatically boot.   But if I just move it from the bottom of the list to the top, it will load automatically until there is a Kernel upgrade, in which case the New kernel will load Automatically and I'll have to load the old one Manually.   Is that the case?
[12:41] <Nhorning> Ok, I'm just going to copy it to the top of the AutoMagic Menu
[12:42] <Nhorning> I want it to force me to change the Kernal back so I know when the problem is fixed...
[12:42] <clau30_> !firefox
[12:44] <clau30_> hmm.. nothing about high cpu load
[12:44] <cwillu> y'all come back now, y'hear?
[12:44] <clau30_> just a mom, I'll insert the cable back..
[12:46] <roger_roger>  how much hdd space is needed to upgrade from hardy to intrepid?
[12:48] <cwillu> roger_roger, would depend on what you had installed previously.  The upgrade tool should tell you how much it needs to download though, double that to be safe
[12:50] <roger_rogerc> cwillu: adept-manager --dist-upgrade --deval  ?
[13:00] <Kano> hi, whats the boot option to force vesa mode for 8.10?
[13:09] <bugger_me> whats the program for removing cruft left over from upgrade?
[13:10] <bugger_me> or in general
[13:11] <bugger_me> !system-cleaner
[13:13] <kulight> bugger_me: sudo apt-get autoremove && sudo apt-get autoclean
[13:19] <bugger_me> kulight: system-cleaner was what I was after
[13:20] <Splex_> I keep getting the following message when booting:
[13:20] <Splex_> Setting kernel variables (/etc/sysctl.d/10-process-security.conf)...         error: "kernel.maps_protect" is an unknown key [fail]
[13:20] <Splex_> any idea how to fix this?
[13:28] <Neurologic> I've heard Ibex fixes a problem with laptops not being able to connect using Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN cards, any word on this?
[13:31] <Neurologic> Hello?
[13:33] <cwillu> neat, powersaving is broken
[13:33] <cwillu> screen goes to black, and then flashes back on
[13:33] <cwillu> every 20 minutes
[13:33] <cwillu> since the last update (/me needs to compose his thoughts so as to avoid the dreaded !enter) :p
[13:35] <kulight> cwillu: it already a known bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273484
[13:35] <cwillu> kulight, neat
[13:35] <cwillu> thx
[13:35] <cwillu> wait
[13:35] <cwillu> no, I'm on intel
[13:36] <kulight> im not on intel but it stills apply
[13:38] <kulight> try disabling the screen saver and just put the screen to sleep after a few minuets it worked for me
[13:39] <Pretto> the last update changed the theme I was using to another one.. is that correct?
[13:39] <Pretto> just  the window border
[13:40] <Pretto> ow.. it removed the newHuman  theme
[13:40] <Pretto> the theme name was changed to DarkRoom I think
[13:52] <drguildo> hi is there any way to do a clean install of intrepid from within hardy? i.e. without booting from cd/usb
[13:55] <IdleOne> !upgrade
[13:55] <slavik> IdleOne: nope, won't work. upgrade != clean-install
[13:56] <slavik> drguildo: only on a different partition using debootstrap
[13:57] <drguildo> meh. ok, thanks anyway.
[13:57] <justin_> Is the new update to Open Office the 3.0 release?
[13:59] <myk_robinson> hey. Is there a way to make Evolution predict email addresses when typing for sending? Kontact does this in KDE, there's gotta be a way for this to do it as well.
[14:00] <myk_robinson> Kontact predicts based on addresses contained in previous messages
[14:06] <Volkodav> Evolution sucks
[14:06] <Volkodav> no separate boxes
[14:06] <Volkodav> slow
[14:06] <Volkodav> Claws-Mail rulez
[14:06] <Glady> what you like then
[14:07] <Volkodav> with all plugins available for it it rocks
[14:07] <Glady> Claws-mail
[14:08] <Glady> huh
[14:08] <Glady> tey say it bites
[14:10] <Volkodav> heh
[14:10] <myk_robinson> Seems also that Evloution does not thread messages even though I have that selected
[14:11] <Glady> what is sylpheed
[14:15] <Volkodav> same as claws
[14:15] <Volkodav> 2 different clients
[14:16] <Volkodav> I like Clwas mail better
[14:18] <myk_robinson> Volkodav: does claws autocomplete email addresses like I'm looking for? I'm trying not to revert to KDE apps if possible
[14:18] <myk_robinson> granted they worked like I want, but trying to learn Gnome
[14:20] <Volkodav> yes it does
[14:23] <frybye> Hi - my system apparently has a corrupt magic number (= superblock?) can sbdy tell me step by step how to repair..?
[14:23] <frybye> i did google on this - but don't really understand the results..
[14:25] <platius> myk_robinson;  my evolution does auto completion as I enter in the to: box
[14:25] <platius> myk_robinson;  hardy
[14:29] <aguitel> anyone use chipset rtl8180L ?
[14:30] <aguitel> every times system restart need to configure manualy
[14:31] <aguitel> every times system restart need to configure manualy the wireless connection with chipset realtek rtl8180
[14:35] <Glady> hwhat is my server name for hotmail in claws
[14:44] <Glady> someone is in my root account and change my files
[14:44] <Tm_T> wasn't me
[14:45] <CQ> how can I get kpowersave to lock my screen? I set it, but I see no debug or error messages in logs, and it never locks...
[14:45] <CQ> but locking from the start menu works fine
[14:45] <arpu> hi after yesterdays update my human thema is not set
[14:45] <arpu> what is now the default ?
[14:46] <arpu> DarkRoom ?
[14:46] <Tm_T> Oxygen?
[14:47] <KRF> CQ, when suspending or what?
[14:48] <CQ> krf when doing whatever... suspending, closing Lid, etc...
[14:48] <CQ> everything is set right, and selecting 'lock' works... is there a way to debug this?
[14:49] <KRF> CQ, i had to install powerdevil
[14:49] <KRF> then it worked already
[14:49] <CQ> is it better than kpowersave? I didn't like guidance
[14:49] <KRF> it offers some "lock on resume option"
[14:49] <CQ> kpowersave has lock before suspend ...
[14:49] <CQ> theoretically
[14:50] <KRF> CQ, dunno. i have powerdevil and guidance and it works
[14:51] <CQ> powerdevil _and_ guidance?
[14:51] <CQ> I thought only one could work or they conflict...
[15:04] <justin_> Is the latest update to Open Office the 3.0 release?
[15:05] <frybye> in a live session e2fsk cant be found - also not with sudo apt-get install e2fsk - not found - what do do...??
[15:09] <platius> frybye; did you try e2fsck?
[15:09] <g-hennux> hi!
[15:09] <g-hennux> i believe the meta-package pdf-viewer should also be provided by okular
[15:11] <g-hennux> (currently it's only acroread, xpdf, viewpdf, gv, evince)
[15:11] <Glady> oxygen
[15:14] <jim_p> hi guys, help me!
[15:14] <jim_p> has the 2.6.27 FINAL reached the ibex repos yet?
[15:14] <clebert> I'm using the latest Ubuntu beta (System was updated as of this morning), and I'm trying the latest compiz... it works really nicely.. I can have two monitors and now the Maximize button works with compiz (what is great)...
[15:14] <clebert> But i'm seeing something annoying... when I use Scale on compiz, all the windows keep moving like crazy when I start scale, even thought I have enabled click-to-focus...
[15:14] <clebert> This doesn't happen on my laptop with the older Ubuntu version...
[15:15] <clebert> I was wondering if this was something to use on forums... since I haven't seen any thread bringing this up
[15:16] <frybye> platius  yes but it says it /dev/sda1 is either mounted or used exclusively by another programme - it is not mounts
[15:18] <RyanPrior> Is Flash 10 in Intrepid?
[15:18] <frybye> damm it - where is platius gone.. anybody else know about this e2fsck problem...?
[15:18] <frybye> on a live cd trying to repair superblock ...??
[15:20] <Pici> RyanPrior: Yes.
[15:21] <RyanPrior> Is it the default, or is it a special package?
[15:21] <frybye> hi - i am trying to use e2fsck -b to replace a super block using a live cd session and it complaines that the sda1 is mounted (it is not!) - OR - used by another programme - what to do???
[15:22] <Pici> RyanPrior: Should be default..
[15:23] <Pici> !info flashplugin-nonfree  | RyanPrior
[15:26] <jim_p> anyone to help me?
[15:26] <jim_p> has the 2.6.27 FINAL reached the ibex repos yet?
[15:26] <Tm_T> jim_p: sure it should have been
[15:27] <jim_p> thanks
[15:27] <BluesKaj> what's the official release date for intrepid ?
[15:28] <jim_p> 30 of october
[15:29] <BluesKaj> thx jim_p
[15:29] <jim_p> u are welcome
[15:32] <LogicalDash> I notice that I've received updates for *two* different driver packages for the Intel i9xx. Does that mean I have two drivers to choose from?
[15:33] <jmworx> Can someone tell me what happened to the network tools in Intrepid??
[15:33] <kalyan_> is picard working ? i am getting this error ASSERT failure in QList<T>::at: "index out of range", file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qlist.h, line 387
[15:33] <kalyan_> Aborted (core dumped)
[15:34] <jmworx> It's so broken I had to go back to using ifconfig and route just to get a simple LAN connection working
[15:34] <jmworx> More specifically:
[15:35] <kalyan_> is picard working in intrepid
[15:35] <jmworx> 1) How can I configure the network for the whole machine and not just my user?
[15:35] <jmworx> 2) Why is it that even my user network config doesn't get saved?
[15:35] <LogicalDash> jmworx: Are you using network-manager?
[15:36] <jmworx> 3) How can I *apply* the settings I create without the network applet (it crashed and I was stuck)?
[15:36] <DanaG> "System Setting" under networks editor can do that.
[15:36] <jmworx> LogicalDash: No, network-manager wasn
[15:36] <jmworx> wasn't installed by default and with no net connection, it's hard to install it!
[15:37] <LogicalDash> jmworx, uhhh, according to the page linked in the channel topic, network-manager 0.7 is supposed to be installed by default
[15:37] <jmworx> DanaG: there was a check there, but it didn't help
[15:37] <DanaG>  /etc/network/interfaces should still work if you want to do things that way.
[15:38] <LogicalDash> jmworx, maybe you have an outdated install disc?
[15:38] <jmworx> LogicalDash: Well, I did a default install and it just wasn't
[15:38] <DanaG> Anyway, I have to leave now.
[15:38] <jmworx> DanaG: Sure, but that's not exactly what I call user friendly (yes, I can also add my ifconfig/route commands in rc.local or whatever is the equivalent now)
[15:39] <jmworx> LogicalDash: I installed the beta and I've updated everything
[15:39] <LogicalDash> jmworx: Wait, a moment ago you said your beta machine had no 'net connection. Cognitive dissonance!
[15:40] <jmworx> LogicalDash: Every time I booted, I had to configure things again using the network applet
[15:40] <jmworx> then the net applet crashed and since I didn't know the name, I wasn't able to restart it
[15:40] <LogicalDash> jmworx: the network applet is network manager's applet
[15:40] <LogicalDash> jmworx: it is called nm-applet
[15:40] <jmworx> so I was stuck with no way to get the network back up short of using the command-line ifconfig/route commands
[15:40] <LogicalDash> jmworx: so you should be able to do an alt+f2 nm-applet
[15:41] <jmworx> ** (nm-applet:6796): WARNING **: <WARN>  applet_dbus_manager_start_service(): Could not acquire the NetworkManagerUserSettings service as it is already taken.  Return: 3
[15:41] <LogicalDash> huh
[15:41] <jmworx> LogicalDash: it turns out that network-manager was indeed installed
[15:42] <jmworx> but that doesn't really help me
[15:42] <LogicalDash> alright, I would guess that when network manager crashes it fails to release its DBUS service, for now you could work around that by going into the system monitor and killing the service yourself
[15:42] <wftl> Quick question. Is there no dialup modem configuration in Ibex (8.10)?
[15:42] <wftl> Running from live DVD?
[15:45] <wftl> Addendum to previous question . . . will there be? And will there be a Network Configuration menu option in Administration?
 LogicalDash: OK, a kill on NetworkManager worked (the applet was actually still running)
 ...but again all my config is gone
 This is getting really annoying
[15:50] <jmworx_> Damn, what I piece of junk. As soon as NetworkManager restarted, it trashed my config and returned to its default (despite the fact that I had just configured all my static IP parameters)
[15:50] <LogicalDash> jmworx: I would think to try downloading the network-manager packages locally, doing a Complete Remove on your existing network manager install, and installing from the packages. That way you get fresh configuration files without whatever is mucking them up at the moment.
[15:51] <jmworx> LogicalDash: this *is* a fresh install. Not even an upgrade from Hardy
[15:52] <LogicalDash> I don't know, man
[15:52] <bsnider> wait. canonical gets access to a new fglrx driver? one that's so new it's 2 milestones ahead?
[15:52] <jmworx> LogicalDash: plus, shouldn't I get asked for my sudo password if I have "system settings" set?
[15:52] <jmworx> (I don't)(
[15:52] <LogicalDash> jmworx: I am not sure what you're talking about
[15:53] <mroc> is the gedit-latex plugin going to end up in the intrepid repos?  their site mentioned missing the hardy deadline, so i assumed it'd make intrepid.
[15:53] <jmworx> LogicalDash: the network config tool has a "system setting" button -- presumably so you can have the network options apply to the entire system
[15:54] <jmworx> But despite selecting that, I never get prompted for a password, which is not a good sign
[15:54] <danbh_intrepid> bug 5364
[15:55] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: great, so it'll be a new feature of Intrepid?
[15:55] <jmworx> Why would anyone want a static IP anyway, that's "expert stuff"
[15:55] <danbh_intrepid> well, I dunno
[15:56] <danbh_intrepid> it looks like its just a matter of tracking down whats wrong
[15:56] <LogicalDash> jmworx: mainly useful if you're running servers and need to be able to ping it from anywhere anytime
[15:57] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: Actually, that's not the relevant bug at all. It applies to a tool that doesn't seem to even exist anymore
[15:57] <jmworx> LogicalDash: I was sarcastic, seems like Ubuntu is at war with any kind of setting that deviates from the norm
[15:58] <LogicalDash> jmworx: Optimizing for a default != at war with the deviants
[15:58] <jmworx> BWT, where has System->Administration->Networking gone? :-(
[15:58] <jmworx> LogicalDash: Leaving bugs in everything non-default is
[15:59] <LogicalDash> jmworx: You seem to suggest that the devs are deliberately leaving bugs in. This is a rather strong statement. What do you base it on?
[15:59] <mroc> jmworx: that's the gnome-network-preferences package....and i was wondering that myself.
[15:59] <jmworx> we support it... but it's buggy at the moment... and we don't feel like fixing it
[16:00] <jmworx> LogicalDash: Not deliberately, they just passively ignore them. That hardly the first example. Launchpad is full of bugs I reported and that never got fixed. I no longer waste my time reporting now.
[16:00] <LogicalDash> jmworx, you're using BETA software. That means "we know it's buggy, please help us collect information so we can fix it". You shouldn't be surprised that it's not working correctly.
[16:00] <jmworx> mroc: No, that's not what I was referring to
[16:01] <LogicalDash> jmworx, it took us 6 or 7 tries to establish what exactly you were trying to do that was causing you trouble. Maybe that's why your bur reports don't get any attention?
[16:01] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: sorry, I thought you were talking about network-manager.  That exists, I'm using it right now.  I heard rumors that it still has trouble managing static ips.  What are you using?
[16:01] <jmworx> LogicalDash: This is not inconsistent with not it's handled with non-beta software. I've still got bugs filed against dapper that haven't been fixed
[16:02] <bsnider> jmworx, you could try another distro if you're not satisfied with ubuntu
[16:02] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: I'm using System->Preference->Network Configuration
[16:03] <jmworx> bsnider: thanks, is that the official Ubuntu response to bug reports?
[16:03] <LogicalDash> jmworx, you're flamebaiting. Cut it out.
[16:03] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: yeah, thats network-manager.  I don't know if that bug is _the_ bug that is affecting you, but the other bug is related
[16:03] <jmworx> LogicalDash: It took a couple lines to describe it simply because the bug is weird
[16:03] <bsnider> jmworx, i'm being sincere. fedora's doing great things right now and so is mandriva. fedora's doing things ubuntu has promised for years (like a new theme)
[16:04] <jmworx> LogicalDash: I'm not flaimbaiting and I *was* really trying to help fix bugs. You can query for the bugs I files in Launchpad in the past nick is jmspeex
[16:04] <jmworx> bsnider: if fedora was debian-based I would have switched a long time ago. I'm considering going back to debian sid though
[16:05] <bsnider> jmworx, they have made some updates to rpm and they  use packagekit now
[16:05] <LogicalDash> jmworx, sarcaustically[sic] asking "Is that the official Ubuntu response to bug reports?" is flamebait.
[16:05] <jmworx> bsnider: it's more about the packages
[16:06] <bsnider> jmworx, you mean you're not happy with what's in their repositories?
[16:06] <ConstantineXVI> isin't there some way to turn on multitouch scrolling on some touchpads?
[16:07] <jmworx> bsnider: no, just the amount of stuff debian packages is impressive
[16:07] <danbh_intrepid> anyone know what xserver-common is?
[16:07] <bsnider> jmworx, but not bleeding edge
[16:08] <LogicalDash> danbh_intrepid: the X server is the skeleton that the various window managers and desktop environments hang skin on
[16:08] <jmworx> LogicalDash: examples of reasons I'm pissed at the way Ubuntu handles bugs:
[16:08] <jmworx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/120305
[16:09] <Guest30399> Hi all, I seem to have run into a bug in Intrepid Ibex Cups 1.3.9, appeared a few days ago, before was working ok with cups 1.3.8 on the same intrepid ibex box
[16:09] <jmworx> There's security bug 52600 against dapper (not public) for which a 2-line fix exists and has never been committed
[16:09] <danbh_intrepid> LogicalDash: I was curious about that specific package actually
[16:10] <bsnider> jmworx, the ubuntu-motu channel has people that could actually do something about this
[16:10] <Guest30399> The bug is : I can perfectly print locally. But when printing over the network from my macs, everything looks okay (including in the logs), but nothing goes out of the printer
[16:10] <jmworx> bsnider: been there
[16:10] <jmworx> Also interesting is bsnider
[16:10] <jmworx> oops
[16:10] <bsnider> and what did they say?
[16:10] <jmworx> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/speex/+bug/19482
[16:11] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: do you know what to do with the first bug?
[16:11] <jmworx> I was the maintainer, I had the 2-line fix for a segfault that was happening all the time. It took about a year to get it applied
[16:11] <LogicalDash> jmworx, you seem to be trying pretty hard to prove that we Ubuntu folks are terrible maintainers and nobody should bother with us. Isn't there some other channel you could do that on, where people aren't actually, presently trying to fix bugs?
[16:11] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: No, I think I'll just add the ifconfig/route commands to my init script and remove network-manager
[16:12] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: no, the next one
[16:12] <danbh_intrepid> bug 120305
[16:12] <danbh_intrepid> I think it should be marked incomplete
[16:12] <jmworx> LogicalDash: I'm done with the ranting now.
[16:13] <bsnider> i don't think they have enbough devs to fix the little bugs
[16:13] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: That bug was a regression that occurred *after* Feisty was released.
[16:13] <jmworx> i.e. they released a kernel patch that broke *all* HDA soundcards on *all* 64-bit machines
[16:14] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: yes, but unless the bug causes data loss, it wont get fixed once the devs move onto a new kernel.  Thats why the guy asked you to test on the latest kernel
[16:14] <jmworx> and it was obvious because you couldn't even insert the module on a 64-bit machine (i.e. you can see the bug even if you didn't have that card)
[16:14] <jmworx> so there was enough information to test for everyone with a 64-bit box
[16:14] <ConstantineXVI> does intrepid use xorg.conf at all?
[16:15] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: here me out
[16:15] <danbh_intrepid> *hear
[16:15] <bsnider> ConstantineXVI, only to override the x-server's choice of graphics driver
[16:15] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: I can understand not touching a kernel. What I don't understand is releasing updates that *break* stuff. All newer kernels for Feisty had that same problem.
[16:16] <ConstantineXVI> bsnider: so doing this: http://www.varesano.net/blog/fabio/linux+howto+two+fingers+scrolling+a+regular+synaptics+notebook+touchpad would have no effect at all?
[16:16] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: but does the problem still exist in Hardy? or Intrepid?
[16:16] <LogicalDash> jmworx, sounds to me like you're still ranting. About a bug for a previous release. Classy.
[16:16] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: No
[16:16] <bsnider> ConstantineXVI, configuring that device is now done elsewhere
[16:16] <jmworx> but it stayed in the entire feisty cycle
[16:16] <bsnider> search the forums for it
[16:16] <ayan4m1> Anyone know if the linux-image packages are currently being messed with in intrepid's apt sources?
[16:16] <jmworx> That is, the first few months of feisty were fine, it's only after a few months that they broke that
[16:17] <danbh_intrepid> jmworx: yeah, well that IS how ubuntu works.  It was broken sound.  They fixed it in later releases, but there isn't going to be a backport because its just broken sound.  You can resolve the issue by just upgrading to the latest release
[16:17] <LogicalDash> jmworx: If the bug is fixed now, then it is not an appropriate subject for the #ubuntu+1 channel.
[16:17] <danbh_intrepid> LogicalDash: please stop
[16:18] <jmworx> So I had to install alsa on top of standard kernel and it would work, and then another update would break it and I had to re-compile ALSA
[16:18] <ayan4m1> jmworx: What chipset was this with?
[16:19] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: Just to make a couple things clear. Sound worked perfectly in the initial Feisty release. It only got broken during an update. At that point, there was no other version released.
[16:19] <jmworx> danbh_intrepid: basically, it was carelessness with a patch to that kernel because the vanilla kernel had no issue
[16:19] <jmworx> ayan4m1: hda on x86-64
[16:19] <bsnider> jmworx, do you have any documentation besides that bug report to back that up?
[16:20] <jmworx> ayan4m1: basically, modprobe would fail on the hda driver
[16:20] <jmworx> bsnider: what other doc do you want?
[16:20] <ayan4m1> Yeah, I had a similar issue
[16:20] <ayan4m1> What kind of machine?
[16:21] <bsnider> jmworx, anything else. forum posts, whatever. it seems difficult to believe
[16:21] <jmworx> ayan4m1: A Dell PC, but basically any 64-bit machine with an HDA card would be broken
[16:21] <bsnider> jmworx, i could try downloading the feisty livecd and testing it here
[16:22] <jmworx> bsnider: you'd need to update to the latest Feisty kernel. The original Feisty kernel was fine. If you do that, just try "modprobe snd-hda-intel" and see it fail
[16:22] <ayan4m1> jmworx: And downloading the alsa source and compiling it with any one of the patches available on the bug tracker doesn't work?
[16:23] <jmworx> ayan4m1: If I compiled ALSA myself and installed, it worked fine. And then ubuntu would release another kernel update and it would break and I would have to recompile alsa again. Did that at least 5 times
[16:24] <ayan4m1> jmworx: Yeah, unfortunately it seems like the issue has been lingering, or on and off, for quite a while
[16:24] <jmworx> Basically, someone carelessly applied a patch to the audio drivers and nobody cared that 64-bit was broken (it worked fine on 32-bit machines)
[16:24] <theBishop> what changes were made to Intrepid to make the font rendering look so good?
[16:24] <ayan4m1> I haven't noticed it since hardy was released, but obviously mileages vary
[16:25] <ayan4m1> theBishop: Probably something in the new xorg, if I had to guess
[16:25] <bsnider> jmworx, do you think they have enough devs to fix every little bug?
[16:26] <ayan4m1> theBishop: I haven't really noticed a major difference though, what are you talking about?
[16:26] <lamalex> anyone in here using the newly pushed fglrx package?
[16:26] <bsnider> theBishop, the font problem was a libcairo bug that was fixed a few weeks ago
[16:26] <ayan4m1> bsnider: This has been a long-standing bug with a major audio chipset driver affecting multiple vendors and releases of ubuntu
[16:26] <wtgee> theBishop: You probably have slight subpixel smoothing on....which I would recommend.
[16:27] <ayan4m1> lamalex: How recently was it pushed?
[16:27] <jmworx> bsnider: 1) This isn't a "little bug". Do you have any idea how many machines have hda cards 2) If they hadn't "fixed" stuff, they wouldn't have broken it (original feisty kernels were fine) 3) it should be easy to just revert that kind of regression
[16:27] <vertexoflife> hello, can anyone help with a strange keyboard/mouse problem in intrepid? My keyboard/mouse work on the LiveCD (on now) and grub, but not once I boot up.
[16:27] <theBishop> bsnider, wtgee but what about the actual font rendering?  I've read a little about how you can customize Freetype, and there's this other "smart font" technology called Graphite I've been reading about...
[16:28] <danbh_intrepid> vertexoflife: try this command to reinstall the defaults for your system!  sudo apt-get install (k|x)ubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^
[16:28] <lamalex> ayan4m1: yesterday at some point
[16:28] <danbh_intrepid> vertexoflife: and... hopefully you can get to a tty
[16:28] <bsnider> jmworx, but how many people run ubuntu in the first place, and how many use hda_intel and the amd64 build too? not many. and the bug can be fixed by switching to i386
[16:28] <vertexoflife> danbh_intrepid: can I do this from the live-cd to affect intrepid already installed? no keyboard works on intrepid once I actually boot up.
[16:28] <jmworx> ayan4m1, bsnider: that's not what I was talking about. HDA problems in general are on all machines and I couldn't blame ubuntu or any other distro for that. The issue I reported is Ubuntu making a change themselves that caused unresolved symbols in the driver. That meant HDA suddenly got broken for everyone
[16:28] <ayan4m1> lamalex: Yeah, I ran an upgrade 20 minutes ago, it seems to work alright but when compiz is running video flickers
[16:28] <danbh_intrepid> vertexoflife: yes, you can do it from a livecd, but it might be easier to try in recover mode first
[16:29] <lamalex> ayan4m1: I don't suppose you're running dual head?
[16:29] <vertexoflife> danbh_intrepid: Okay, thank you, I'll try this and come back if no luck.
[16:29] <lamalex> I'm curious if it supports randr2.2
[16:29] <danbh_intrepid> vertexoflife: sudo apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-all  is the exact fix I think
[16:29] <DB]Oric> how come my ubuntu is 8.10 intrepid while my kernel is still 2.6.24
[16:29] <ayan4m1> lamalex: Ah, yeah sorry can't help you, too poor for a second LCD atm
[16:29] <jmworx> bsnider: Great announcement: "today we announce that we are breaking sound on Feisty. So all you people with 64-bit machines, could you just do a 32-bit re-install"
[16:29] <danbh_intrepid> DB]Oric: try sudo apt-get install linux-generic
[16:30] <DB]Oric> ty danbh
[16:30] <lamalex> :) i know how it is
[16:30] <lamalex> work gave me one
[16:30] <DB]Oric> fail
[16:30] <jmworx> But more seriously, I think the criteria for applying bug fixes are just a bit too rigid -- one-size-fits-all
[16:30] <DB]Oric> it says linux-generic is the latest
[16:31] <ayan4m1> lamalex: Well I have two LCDs at work, but they'd murder me if I threw Ubuntu on my development machine
[16:31] <danbh_intrepid> DB]Oric: interesting
[16:31] <danbh_intrepid> but, I have to go, right now
[16:31] <jmworx> The same rule seems to apply for kernel patches as for (e.g.) less used packages (e.g. Speex)
[16:31] <DB]Oric> it's ok
[16:32] <ayan4m1> lamalex: It says I have libxrand 2:1.2.3-1 installed
[16:32] <bsnider> jmworx, i'd like to hear ben collins' view on this. yours is clear. there are two sides to every story
[16:33] <ayan4m1> lamalex: Dunno if that tells you anything
[16:33] <void^> because of this kind of discussion i generally report bugs upstream and deal with distro specific issues myself :/
[16:33] <avis> can anyone recommend a inexpensive black and white laser printer with cheap toner that simply works and should continue to work in intrepid ?  my hp 1018 stopped working in hardy, it originally worked in hardy, the 1018 is still not working in intrepid :(  no solutions on the web.  i'm thinking about replacing it and i'd really rather not since i have toner.  any advice ?
[16:33] <lamalex> ayan4m1: not really
[16:33] <lamalex> everyone should have the lib
[16:33] <jmworx> bsnider: regarding your "not enough devs" comment, I still partially agree. But I think Ubuntu should be more up-front about it. i.e. make it clear that they're not going to fix bugs on package X or Y unless it causes data corruption. That way bug reporters wouldn't waste their time.
[16:33] <joaopinto> avis, have you filed a bug about it ?
[16:33] <lamalex> ayan4m1: I'll just wait to play until I get home
[16:34] <ayan4m1> lamalex: Heh, yeah I was gonna try finding my dvi adapter and go out to an old crt to test, but I'm feeling a bit lazy
[16:34] <lamalex> haha
[16:34] <avis> joaopinto, i have not, simply because, i need something that works, not takes time to be fixed.  there is a bug for the problem in hardy, but it looks like its not being addressed
[16:34] <lamalex> no worries
[16:34] <bsnider> jmworx, i'd say it's better to have them all reported,  whether they're fixed or not
[16:35] <jmworx> void^: Basically, when I have bugs with a certain package or distro, I report them and see how they get handled. Then I decide whether to continue. There's a wide range of responsiveness. For some packages I know I'll get something very quickly (gcc is an example), on others I don't and stop reporting
[16:36] <jmworx> bsnider: reporting decently (getting info) takes time. I'm willing to take that time on some projects (e.g. gcc and LyX are the most responsive in my experience), but I'm no longer willing to take the time with others.
[16:38] <jmworx> My worst experience was spending *months* (on and off) on a hard to reproduce kernel regression. After bisecting the problem down to a day in the dev cycle, I gave up because no dev was really interested.
[16:38] <jmworx> OTOH, on some gcc bugs I reported, I got very rapid confirmation of what the bug was, whether it was fixed in the dev version and so on.
[16:39] <jmworx> This is how I try to handle bugs I get on Speex (I'm the maintainer) despite the little time I have.
[16:39] <void^> some packages just don't seem to have active maintainers at all
[16:40] <jmworx> (I admit I'm probably not as good as the gcc folks, but certainly better than many packages I've seen)
[16:42] <bsnider> jmworx, let me ask you something. if that sound problem had happened on the i386 platform, do you think it would have been fixed?
[16:42] <vertexoflif1> danbh_intrepid: SO I tried installing ubuntu-desktop^ which did not exist, then I tried xserver-xorg-input-all but it said it was already there, so then I might have done something stupid by removing it then trying to reinstall, and not it spits out package does not exist.
[16:43] <vertexoflif1> and now*
[16:43] <jmworx> bsnider: Well, it's obvious that the devs were using i386, so they would have noticed and not released the bug at all.
[16:43] <vertexoflif1> danbh_intrepid: but I am in root shell, keyboard works in recovery.
[16:44] <jmworx> bsnider: but yes, I'm aware that amd64 is a second class citizen in Ubuntu
[16:44] <beautifulsnow> or any other ditro ;p
[16:44] <jmworx> (how much of a second class I hadn't realised 'til then)
[16:45] <vertexoflif1> eh, looks like danbh is away... anyone else willing to help out in a strange keyboard/mouse problem?
[16:45] <vertexoflif1> seems to actually be an xorg problem now...
[16:45] <jmworx> but still, why spend time (I know they worked hard on that) getting things like 32-bit flash and acroread working fine on amd64 when you're going to just not care about this kind of sound bug.
[16:48] <bsnider> well, since ben collins is in charge of the kernel team, i'd like to know what he thinks about your charges
[16:50] <vertexoflif1> everyone buys with something else? tragedy. :-P I don't know what I'm going to do, maybe a reformat might work it out? seems to be an xorg problem, which tends to get fucking messy.
[16:50] <jmworx> bsnider: "Fesity is going out of support. Not our problem anymore"
[16:52] <jmworx> bsnider: you can also ask him what he thinks about Bug #52600
[16:53] <jmworx> (basically the fact that any local user on dapper can easily lockup the machine by setting SCHED_FIFO priority and doing a "while(1);" )
[16:54] <jmworx> he was actually part of the discussion on that bug. He's the one who came up with a tiny patch... that never got applied
[16:55] <bsnider> and why not?
[16:57] <jmworx> bsnider: if you figure it out, let me know
[16:58] <bsnider> jmworx, if you wantt o air this dirty laundry, i'll set you up with a blog to do it
[16:58] <jmworx> bsnider: I'm trying to post a copy of that bug. It's marked as private (haven't been able to change that), but considering how long ago it was filed, I don't consider it private anymore
[17:00] <jmworx> bsnider: I already have a blog, thank you. Here's the link: http://people.xiph.org/~jm/sched_fifo.pdf
[17:03] <jmworx> bbl -> lunch
[17:03] <legend2440> ihave ati radeon 9600 using fglrx drivers. i have read that fglrx won't work with intrepid yet. is that rue?
[17:04] <legend2440> true?
[17:06] <bsnider> legend2440, as of this morning, it will
[17:07] <wang> hello
[17:07] <wang> I got a problem with my bliuetooth mice
[17:07] <wang> I added the mac to /etc/bluetooth/hcid and used the bluetooth applet
[17:07] <legend2440> bsnider: do i need to use  fglrx-installer package?
[17:07] <bsnider> legend2440, i don't know
[17:07] <wang> but its not being reconigzed on reboot
[17:08] <wang> I have to turn off the mice and on again, any ideas?
[17:08] <legend2440> bsnider: ok thanks
[17:11] <arpu> hello
[17:11] <arpu> xorg needs a lot of cpu with drakroom thema
[17:11] <arpu> you can see the different when you start the update manager and load the ne data
[17:11] <arpu> new
[17:12] <arpu> whe you swich to a other thema cpu is slower for xorg
[17:27] <eternal_p> anyone having problems with networkmange-pptp?  I cannot get a PPTP connection to connect
[17:31] <matt__> hi - wif driver wont load - dmesg gives ... zd1211rw 3-3:1.0: couldn't load firmware. Error number -2
[17:32] <wtgee> Hello..when doing a dist-upgrade and it gives me a probably score and then asks Y/n/q, I pretty much always just say Yes.  Should I not be doing this?
[17:33] <wtgee> s/probably/probable/
[17:34] <wtgee> Actually, I am not sure why I put the word probably in there.  It says: "Score is 120...Accept this solutuion? [Y/n/q/?]"
[17:40] <eternal_p> ...or a simpler question, I found the pptp bug I am having, someone posted a fix with a .patch file, I have no idea how to use that file
[17:45] <FliesLikeABrick> is there a place I can find wallpapers that have been used in the betas/alphas?  There's one that they just replaced that I want to use as my desktop but don't know where to look
[17:45] <jmworx> bsnider: Got the pdf
[17:45] <jmworx> ?
[17:45] <FliesLikeABrick> it was the one with the circles of circles that was just replaced in the past few days
[17:46] <void^> i'm just happy they fixed bug 272199 (probably thanks to debian)
[17:47] <FliesLikeABrick> there's a HP driver bug that I'm hoping gets fixed that impacts certain series of color laser printers
[17:48] <beautifulsnow> Did anyone's wicd stop working with kernel 27-7 ?
[17:55] <comicinker> how can I show the guest login directly after boot up?
[17:55] <Mimi> You mean you are being logged in automatically?
[17:57] <comicinker> no. I have a regular user account which needs to login with password. but I want to offer the guest account login directly after bootup.
[17:57] <comicinker> in gdm
[17:59] <bsnider> jmworx, yes, i've got it. zimmerman e4xplains why that merge didn't happen. it's a new feature, and it's not going to be added after the merge window is closed
[18:00] <comicinker> so... can I offer the guest session with gdm?
[18:10] <l337ingDisorder> is there any way to download .deb files from the repos but not install them?
[18:11] <Exilant> kopete works so nicely together with knetworkmanager, why doesn't kmail do so?
[18:12] <Exilant> l337ingDisorder: man apt-get ... --download-only
[18:12] <l337ingDisorder> ahh i generally just use (app name) --help and there was no --download-only as far as I saw
[18:12] <l337ingDisorder> thanks muchly!
[18:13] <Exilant> you're welcome, glad i could help
[18:14] <l337ingDisorder> Exilant: hmm ok so I tried apt-get install fluxbox --download only  but I don't see the .deb in my working dir
[18:15] <Exilant> probably in /var/cache/apt or so
[18:15] <jmworx> bsnider: not allowing any local user to crash the machine is not what I consider a "new feature"
[18:15] <jmworx> bsnider: considering that all releases prior to dapper didn't have the problem, it also doesn't qualify as "new feature"
[18:16] <bsnider> but zimmerman does. and a new feature won't be implemented after the merge windows because it could introduce all kinds of unforseen problems that they wouldn't have time to fix
[18:16] <l337ingDisorder> Exilant: I was afraid of that.. there's so much stuff in /var/cache/apt/archive
[18:16] <l337ingDisorder> are all of the dependencies held in the fluxbox .deb?
[18:16] <toresbe> hey
[18:16] <Exilant> no, those are separate debs, if i understand your question correctly
[18:17] <toresbe> is anyone else having a problem with the mouse buttons ceasing to work after having used the numpad?
[18:18] <jmworx> bsnider: It's a security issue, pure and simple. It's trivial to exploit. Also, this shows my issue with deciding what gets fixed and what doesn't. Why is that security issue not worth fixing for sake of conservatism, yet it doesn't bother anyone that sound gets broken on all 64-bit hda-based machines.
[18:18] <wang> anyone having bluetooth mouse issues? like it not being recongized after reboot?
[18:18] <jmworx> might as well consider that "generating ssh keys that are actually random" should be considered a "new feature"
[18:19] <bsnider> nevertheless, that's their view
[18:19] <bsnider> i wish they'd taken the time to implement pulse 9.13 into this release, but it's in keeping with their previous policies that it didn't happen
[18:19] <jmworx> bsnider: sure, and it's just dead stupid.
[18:20] <wang> anyone?
[18:20] <wang> this mouse thing is driving me nuts
[18:20] <Tm_T> bsnider: how about instead of just whining, you are ready to volunteer and help?
[18:20] <jmworx> bsnider: having a better pulse is a new feature. Preventing dead simple DoS isn't.
[18:21] <bsnider> Tm_T, i am helping. i am testing the pulse 9.13 in luke's repository
[18:22] <wang> anyone???
[18:22] <Tm_T> !patience | wang
[18:22] <Tm_T> bsnider: ah, good (:)
[18:22] <wang> wierd, package is broken again
[18:23] <Tm_T> bsnider: I just get bit tender for this "why don't they do this for me" attitude I seem to pick up way too easily from the noise
[18:23] <ShackJack> HI quick question re: upgrade. I had installed Gimp 2.6 which necessitated removing the ubuntu-desktop package. Does anyone know if not having that meta-package installed is likely to cause upgrade issues?
[18:23] <bsnider> Tm_T, fedora 10 does have pulse 9.13, and the preview release is only a week after intrepid
[18:23] <lamalex> ShackJack: most likely
[18:24] <lamalex> but all you should have to do is install it again
[18:24] <Mimi> wont that remove the gimp version he just installed?
[18:24] <elliott> I'm having a really hard time with the GUI in general in the intrpid kubuntu beta
[18:24] <Tm_T> bsnider: they have different policy, different aim etc etc
[18:24] <bsnider> on the other hand, mandriva is still using 9.10 like ubuntu
[18:24] <elliott> and by hard time, I mean it''s unusable
[18:24] <ShackJack> lamalex: Install 2.6... yes... Thanks... Here's hoping 2.6 makes it into the backports soon - it's great!! (Though a little quirky with Compiz)
[18:24] <Tm_T> bsnider: Fedora IIRC isn't commercially supported etc
[18:24] <elliott> i've been in here a few times but none of the suggestions have worked
[18:25] <phoenixz> Hi there, I just upgraded to ubuntu 8.10beta, and though everything is fine, firefox is not. It shows lots of render errors, or maybe just simple CSS problems, Im not sure. radiobuttons and checkboxes are too big, there are weird background colors around DHTML components, etc.. Is there anything known about this problem for 8.10?
[18:25] <Tm_T> elliott: can you please elaborate?
[18:26] <bsnider> Tm_T, supposedly, red hat is basing the next version of RHEL on fedora 10
[18:27] <elliott> essentailly, any window that is maximized is not displayed at all, the task bar at the bottom is not showing up. When it did before, it always had weird display issues. whatever window is in focus appears as the background image, stretched and pixellated. I'm also having frequesnt lockups.
[18:27] <Tm_T> bsnider: yes, _next_ which they have time to polish
[18:27] <Tm_T> elliott: and you are using what display driver?
[18:27] <elliott> it happens on both 64 bit and 32 bit, both on live cd and an installation that was upgraded from hardy
[18:27] <elliott> how do I find out?
[18:28] <nikeplektrum> How do I set a static IP that lasts after reboot?
[18:29] <elliott> Tm_T how do I find out?
[18:32] <Tm_T> elliott: well what displaycard you have?
[18:32] <elliott> Tm_T: ATI radeon x300 i think
[18:33] <Tm_T> elliott: and you have the newest drivers installed?
[18:33] <Tm_T> elliott: also drop all special effects just for fun
[18:35] <Ayabara> I'm having some dependency issues with vlc, and I can neither upgrade or remove it. Any way I can force it to be uninstalled, or find out what the dependency problems are?
[18:35] <phoenixz> Hi there, I just upgraded to ubuntu 8.10beta, and though everything is fine, firefox is not. It shows lots of render errors, or maybe just simple CSS problems, Im not sure. radiobuttons and checkboxes are too big, there are weird background colors around DHTML components, etc.. Is there anything known about this problem for 8.10?
[18:35] <elliott> Tm_T, when I tried to install xorg-driver-fglrx, it wouldn't accept it. i got the following error
[18:36] <elliott> The following packages have unmet dependencies:rn  xorg-driver-fglrx: Depends: xserver-xorg-core but it is not going to be installed                                                                             rnE: Broken packages
[18:36] <elliott> xserver-xorg-core is installed tohugh
[18:37] <Tm_T> elliott: hmm, so find a solution for that problem?
[18:39] <elliott> reinstalling xserver-xorg-core doesn't help
[18:44] <Ayabara> is there a way I can force removal of a package?
[18:48] <mich247> Hi! Since i upgraded to intrepid, i cannot compile my projects anymore.... errors in stl_construct.h (e.g. expected type-specifier)
[18:48] <mich247> anyone know what to do?
[18:48] <FliesLikeABrick> Ayabara try apt-get install -f first
[18:49] <danbh_intrepid> elliott: do you know if fglrx is even working on intrepid?
[18:49] <Ayabara> FliesLikeABrick: did that, but it didn't work. finally solved it with dpkg
[18:49] <FliesLikeABrick> good to know
[18:56] <jasonkim> Anyone knows how autostart works?   I can see some destkop files in /etc/xdg/autostart.. I added my desktop there and it works.. Howerver it started after gnome-settings-daemon.desktop..  How can I start it before the gnome-settings-daemon?
[18:56] <trojkolka> i just updated my 8.10 beta system and my wireless (an intel 2200bg card) died... dmesg tells me that the firmware can not be found... can someone confirm this?
[18:56] <nikeplektrum> Ok, I uninstalled the network manager, how do I get connected to my network and set a static IP manually?
[18:57] <danbh_intrepid> nikeplektrum: interfaces
[18:57] <danbh_intrepid> trojkolka: I would search launchpad
[18:57] <trojkolka> i tried but i only get alpha 5 and 6 bugs back with the 24 kernel not the 27
[18:58] <nikeplektrum> What interfaces danbh_intrepid ?
[18:58] <danbh_intrepid> trojkolka: can you post the bug number?
[18:58] <danbh_intrepid> nikeplektrum: /etc/network/interfaces
[18:58] <nikeplektrum> Ty
[18:59] <mich247> can noone tell me whats wrong with a simple recompile using intrepid? i get the following http://pastebin.ca/1228032
[19:00] <trojkolka> 180544 is similar to my situation only with different kernel and version of kubuntu
[19:00] <danbh_intrepid> mich247: I don't know if I can fix it, but mind pastebining the stl_construct.h?
[19:00] <danbh_intrepid> bug 180544
[19:01] <trojkolka> i can't see any ipw2200 drivers in my firmware folder /lib/firmware/2.6.27.7-generic
[19:02] <trojkolka> neither in .6 or .5
[19:02] <trojkolka> but it worked a couple hours ago in 27.7.11 (now it is .12 i assume)
[19:02] <OicemanO> hi kann mal wer testen ob ff2 buggy ist
[19:03] <Ayabara> !java
[19:03] <OicemanO> can anybody test firefox 2
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> trojkolka: wait, so is it working?
[19:03] <OicemanO> because i think it is bugy
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> OicemanO: use ff3
[19:03] <trojkolka> no it isnt my system doesnt "see" the card
[19:03] <danbh_intrepid> trojkolka: well, then you should post on the bug report, and say that the bug is still present
[19:04] <trojkolka> but it WAS working like an hour ago (before updating)
[19:04] <OicemanO> i use ff3 but i will know if it is buggy because i will also use ff2
[19:04] <trojkolka> well im not sure it is 100% the same bug
[19:04] <danbh_intrepid> trojkolka: then its a tough call I guess
[19:04] <trojkolka> i know =) that's the whole problem
[19:04] <danbh_intrepid> OicemanO: why not stop using ff2?
[19:05] <trojkolka> it also tells me that linux-image-generic package is being held back because linux-firmware cannot be installed or is missing in repos
[19:06] <OicemanO> danbh_intrepid: because ff2 have a lot more addons
[19:06] <trojkolka> is anyone at this moment still compiling packages to repos
[19:06] <danbh_intrepid> trojkolka: ah, you know, I have a broken kernel upgrade atm
[19:06] <mich247> danbh_intrepid,  http://pastebin.ca/1228040 <- this is the stl_construct.h file
[19:07] <trojkolka> danbh_intrepid: it's a matter of waiting till the packages get fixed isn't it
[19:07] <trojkolka> wired internet still works so it's not the end of the world
[19:08] <danbh_intrepid> mich247: isnt the line missing a class declaration?
[19:09] <danbh_intrepid> o wait, I bets its just c++ syntax that I don't know
[19:09] <DJones> After updating to the Restricted ATI driver that came available today, I've got a laptop screen that keeps flashing on and off, disabling the driver and the screen goes back to normal, is this a known issue
[19:09] <mich247> well; there is some syntax i don't know either ;-)
[19:10] <vbabiy> Hey will 8.10 have open office 3
[19:10] <danbh_intrepid> no
[19:10] <mich247> but the most interesting thing: how could that happen? i mean, is noone using STL ?
[19:10] <nikeplektrum> ok, have a static IP, but don't seem to have any DNS servers? I edited the resolv.conf
[19:10] <vbabiy> danbh_intrepid: was that to me?
[19:10] <danbh_intrepid> aye, no ooo3, at least thats the way it seems
[19:13] <Splex> i am having troubles building a custom kernel package (drm-intel-next)  when i run 'fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-version=-gem kernel-image kernel-headers'  the build fails saying 'make[1]: *** No rule to make target `vmlinuz'.  Stop.'  any idea how i can make make-kpkg work correctly?
[19:14] <Exilant> does make vmlinuz work directly?
[19:15] <Splex> no
[19:15] <Splex> make vmlinux works
[19:16] <Splex> i looked at the makefile, it only has rule for vmlinux
[19:16] <Splex> so, im thinking maybe it was a recent change to call it 'vmlinux' instead of 'vmlinuz'?
[19:17] <Exilant>   no clue, vmlinuz worked in 2.6.27rc8
[19:17] <Exilant> so it would have to be really recent
[19:17] <myk_robinson1> Hey. All of a sudden, all my wireless network devices are greyed out. Running lshw -C network shows all the wifi network devices as disabled. How do I re-enable them?
[19:18] <theBishop> I really like the DarkRoom/NewHuman theme, but certain applications are nearly impossible to read using it.  Here are some screenshots: http://i38.tinypic.com/5yxlk6.png http://i35.tinypic.com/5vpzs2.png
[19:18] <Splex> the git im running off is based on rc9
[19:18] <Splex> doubt they would change it that late
[19:19] <myk_robinson1> here's what I have:   http://pastebin.ca/1228048
[19:21] <trojkolka> myk_robinson1 i got also a wifi issue... mine is disabled and the network controller states unclaimed
[19:21] <danbh_intrepid> theBishop: I hate that theme.  I use newhuman
[19:21] <myk_robinson1> strange.. It was working this morning and for the last few days. Both my USB wireless and the native Intel 3945abg
[19:22] <trojkolka> it was working for me 90 minutes ago i have a 2200bg card
[19:22] <danbh_intrepid> wow, lots of updates today
[19:22] <B3z3rk3r> anyone is here know whether the driver issues with the GTX280 have been fixed yet?
[19:23] <myk_robinson1> d@mn, so i am sitting at my desk using my laptop with an ethernet cable....
[19:23] <myk_robinson1> when I could b sitting comfortably on my couch a few rooms away
[19:23] <myk_robinson1> like i was a few hours ago
[19:23] <trojkolka> myk_robinson1 i got the exact same problem here :D
[19:24] <Frijolie> after the last update, my wifi has stopped working. wicd/network-manager says that no wifi networks are available
[19:25] <trojkolka> join the club
[19:25] <trojkolka> ;)
[19:25] <myk_robinson1> at least we're not alone
[19:25] <trojkolka> same here
[19:25] <trojkolka> what card do you have?
[19:25] <myk_robinson1> i'm looking through some directories, and it looks like firmware has been moved....
[19:25] <maxb_> linux-restricted-modules changelog says " * firmware: Remove all firmware, now provided by linux-firmware
[19:25] <maxb_> Shouldn't it now depend on linux-firmware, then?
[19:26] <Frijolie> 03:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection (rev 02)
[19:26] <myk_robinson1> Frijolie: same here
[19:26] <myk_robinson1> look at this: http://pastebin.ca/1228048
[19:26] <elliott> danbh_intrepid, no, i have no idea
[19:26] <Frijolie> was it the kernel update that did it?
[19:26] <myk_robinson1> the last line shows "firmware=n/a"
[19:26] <myk_robinson1> must have been, because my firmware used to be in /lib/firmware
[19:27] <myk_robinson1> now /lib/firmware has subdirectories
[19:28] <Frijolie> myk_robinson1: I've got a "linux-image-generic" stuck in update manager that won't allow me to check it for an update. unresolved dependencies?
[19:28] <Megaqwerty> Hi, for some reason GRUB doesn't have the "Last successful Boot" option anymore. How do I get that back?
[19:28] <maxb_> Yes, this is the hazard of running an unstable ubuntu
[19:29] <myk_robinson1> maxb_: agreed.. Annoying, but still an addiction.
[19:29] <myk_robinson1> Fortunately i have a stable desktop
[19:30] <Frijolie> so, I'm guessing since we're talking about it...there's not a known fix?
[19:30] <myk_robinson1> all my wifi stuff is grayed out in Network Manager. But, more and more updates keep coming every few minutes or so.. Perhaps it will get fixed by the end of the day. Maybe we are forcing the updates to run before they're supposed to..
[19:30] <danbh_intrepid> Frijolie: yeah, I have the same
[19:30] <myk_robinson1> i just got through running updates, now there are 35 more all of a sudden
[19:30] <trojkolka> waiting for the unresolved packages (linux-firmware package) to be in the repos and to update the systemafterwards should solve it i assume
[19:31] <gilster> i just did an update and my wireless is not working at all any input on that?
[19:31] <Frijolie> trojkolka: are "they" at least aware of this issue?
[19:31] <Frijolie> gilster: yeah, we're all having the same issue.
[19:32] <gilster> oh ok
[19:32] <Frijolie> At least my LAN connection is working
[19:32] <gilster> thanks
[19:32] <myk_robinson1> what is the irc command to change my name? for some reason, i have a 1 attached on the end///
[19:32] <IdleOne> there is nothing sudden about all the updates. there is a freeze on the main repo so the devs are sending everything that is critical
[19:32] <Megaqwerty> myk_robinson1: /nick
[19:32] <myk_robinson1> test
[19:32] <sourcemaker> will there a openoffice3 package available soon?
[19:32] <B3z3rk3r> myk_robinson1,  use /nick
[19:33] <IdleOne>  /nick myk_robinson
[19:33] <trojkolka> Frijolie: with they i meant the package owners/maintainers i dont know if they are aware of it
[19:33] <gilster> Frijolie: will i be able to fix this if i dont have alan acess.????
[19:33] <B3z3rk3r> sourcemaker, OO 3.0 is already available
[19:33] <myk_robinson> that's better
[19:33] <myk_robinson> thanks
[19:33] <B3z3rk3r> np
[19:33] <myk_robinson> wonder how that happened anyway, must not have properly terminated my last session or something
 is it in apt?
[19:34] <Megaqwerty> Hi, for some reason GRUB doesn't have the "Last successful boot" option anymore. Does anyone know how to get that back? I don't want to have to reinstall the system again.
[19:34] <Frijolie> trojkolka: yeah, the "they" was my doing. I assumed you were referring to the kernel devs
[19:34] <B3z3rk3r> sourcemaker, not that i know of, however  you can get RPM/DEB from google search
[19:35] <myk_robinson> as long as Intel 3945 works normally upon the final release, I will be a happy man..
[19:35] <Frijolie> gilster: no, my guess is that the fix will come with a new package via update-manager
[19:35] <sourcemaker> B3z3rk3r: well... I would like to use the official ubuntu package :-)
[19:35] <maxb_> Frijolie: What's your linux-restricted-modules-2.6.27-7-generic version?
[19:35] <myk_robinson> I got it to work fine in Hardy using the drivers from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download
[19:35] <B3z3rk3r> sourcemaker, ok ok.. not out yet.. should be within a week or two tho assuming u can wait that long?
[19:35] <myk_robinson> and it worked flawlessly.. No hiccups, no stalls...
[19:35] <Frijolie> maxb_: how do you check? What's the CLI?
[19:36] <B3z3rk3r> sourcemaker, dont see why you can access the update from within your current version of it tho?
[19:36] <B3z3rk3r> cant*
[19:36] <sourcemaker> B3z3rk3r: not really... but I have to...
[19:36] <trojkolka> myk_robinson does it still work now in intrepid?
[19:36] <maxb_> Frijolie: dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[19:36] <sourcemaker> B3z3rk3r: :-)
[19:36] <Frijolie> linux-restrict 2.6.27-7.12
[19:36] <trojkolka> dpkg -l linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)
[19:36] <trojkolka> sorry wrong window there
[19:36] <trojkolka> i also got 12
[19:36] <myk_robinson> trojkolka: the built in driver feels a bit buggy.. Drops the connection periodically.. i was going to install this one today, but I have no wifi at all right now.. Want to make sure everything else is right first
[19:37] <Frijolie> maxb_: so 12 to answer your question
[19:37] <maxb_> Frijolie: I suggest you roll back to -7.10
[19:37] <myk_robinson> didnt think of even trying to boot to the previous kernel. I have a feeling wifi may work there
[19:38] <Frijolie> maxb_: don't know how to do that...I'm still a newbie, well a 2-year *NIX exclusive, noob
[19:38] <trojkolka> i guess i will wait for the internal fix
[19:38] <Frijolie> I've always been having issues with network-manager since the upgrade to Intrepid..was working fine in Hardy
[19:38] <myk_robinson> well, on the bright side, gas is $2.67/gal today here :)
[19:39] <myk_robinson> no wifi required
[19:39] <trojkolka> this is the first time for me
[19:39] <Frijolie> Was even working on the Intrepid Beta LiveCD (network-manager)
[19:39] <myk_robinson> yeah, it was great on the live cd.
[19:39] <W8TAH> hi folks - been messing with a system at home and upon startup it is yelling about the nvida driver not loading properly under that new driver thing (DKMS???) i'll try to get more info but i wanted to see if anyone knew of an easy fix
[19:39] <myk_robinson> we still got two weeks before the final, though.. All part of the beta process
[19:39] <trojkolka> yeah it will be great again
[19:40] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yeah, but no wifi is a critical flaw, at least I think. I expect software errors not driver instabilities
[19:40] <myk_robinson> not sure what happened with that kernel update, but, like i said, even my belkin usb wireless isnt working
[19:40] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: they pretty much HAVE to get it fixed, especially since dell is gonna ship units with 8.10
[19:41] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yeah that's true. That's the beauty of having alliances with hardware vendors
[19:41] <myk_robinson> all things considered, i still like it better than vista
[19:41] <matt__> I have 2 pc's running intrepid - my wifi usb dongle works on one, the other i get authentication timeout?
[19:41] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: never seen Vista. I made the jump to Ubuntu just after SP2 on XP
[19:41] <myk_robinson> matt__: may be a similar issue to what we're having.. Did it work before today?
[19:42] <matt__> it works fine on other pc now if i switch it
[19:42] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: my laptop came with vista. Used it for a few weeks just to check it out. It wasnt bad, but it wasnt really good either.. I couldnt afford to do anything with it
[19:42] <maxb_> Frijolie: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-$(uname -r)_2.6.27-7.10_i386.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-restricted-modules-common_2.6.27-7.10_all.deb
[19:42] <myk_robinson> matt__: misunderstood.. You have one USB stick, and it works on one computer but not the other?
[19:43] <matt__> myk_robinson: yep thats it
[19:43] <Megaqwerty> Hi, for some reason GRUB doesn't have the "Last successful boot" option anymore. Does anyone know how to get that back? I don't want to have to reinstall the system again.
[19:43] <Frijolie> thanks maxb_
[19:43] <myk_robinson> matt__: dang... the one it is not working on, did it ever work?
[19:44] <Frijolie> I'm reading on the forums, says there's a workaround by downloading the linux-firmware.deb should fix the prob
[19:44] <sourcemaker> !vmware
[19:44] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: link to what you're reading?
[19:44] <myk_robinson> !intel 3945abg
[19:44] <matt__> myk_robinson: not before today, thing is I have another usb stick that doews the same thing on both pc's
[19:44] <myk_robinson> manufacturer and models?
[19:44] <myk_robinson> of the wifi?
[19:45] <myk_robinson> matt__: also, do they work fine on previous distributions?
[19:45] <Frijolie> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=948665&page=2
[19:45] <trojkolka> Frijolie: that's the whole problem i assume since it is missing from the repos and that's the reason why the linux-image-generic package is being held back
[19:45] <matt__> myk_robinson: ones belkin f5d7050 (i know) the other safecom
[19:45] <B3z3rk3r3R> oops, let laptop go to sleep   :P
[19:46] <Frijolie> trojkolka: that would make sense. Any idea when they will be releasing it to the repos?
[19:46] <matt__> myk_robinson: safecom uses zd1211rw always been a rock
[19:46] <myk_robinson> yeah, that is what my Belkin usb uses
[19:46] <myk_robinson> It died today, apparently the firmware has temporarily been hosed
[19:46] <Frijolie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=linux-firmware
[19:46] <trojkolka> Frijolie no idea
[19:47] <Frijolie> ^^ that's the actual page where the linux-firmware.deb file is. Says it was posted 1 hr ago
[19:47] <maxb_> Megaqwerty: See /etc/default/kernel-helper-rc
[19:47] <Megaqwerty> maxb_: thanks a ton. Why would it be disabled?
[19:48] <trojkolka> it's not in my universal repostory yet that always takes some time
[19:49] <trojkolka> but it's good it's already there so the solution to our issue is upcoming hopefully
[19:49] <Frijolie> trojkolka: your predictions are correct, "linux-image-generic: Depends: linux-firmware  but it is not installable"
[19:49] <matt__> myk_robinson: i must be missing something, because both these usb sticks work on the other pc - same update etc
[19:49] <trojkolka> it wasn;t a prediction ;)
[19:50] <Frijolie> trojkolka: ah, an educated guess..hehe
[19:50] <trojkolka> i got the same message half an hour ago :d
[19:50] <myk_robinson> matt__: you may not have hit the update we have yet.. I'm bad about checking for updates every few minutes
[19:50] <sourcemaker> is there a multiverse repos for intrepid?
[19:50] <trojkolka> tried manually installing the linux-image-generic and linux-firmware deb and got the message
[19:51] <Frijolie> nyk_robinson: yeah same here. I check update-manager at least three times a day. Specially with the Beta(s)
[19:51] <sourcemaker> !multiverse
[19:51] <spiritssight> Is there a problem with updating right now
[19:54] <gilster> so i dont have any lan connectivity
[19:54] <gilster> sorry
[19:55] <Omar87> I'm having a problem with screensaver, it never starts, the monitor is always on, the only way I can turn it off is to close the laptop.
[19:55] <Omar87> Please, help.
[19:56] <trojkolka> it's in the repos now
[19:56] <trojkolka> linux-firmware
[19:56] <Frijolie> checking...!!
[19:57] <Frijolie> "Your system is up-to-date"
[19:58] <francisco_t> Hi, I lose console's color ( ls --color ) in intrepid beta. It was working fine in alphas, somebody else??
[19:59] <trojkolka> Frijolie: no packages available for you?
[19:59] <Frijolie> trojkolka: hang on...maybe third time will be the charm
[19:59] <trojkolka> haha i will reboot now brb
[20:00] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yep, they've hit the repos
[20:02] <Fastly> i recently installed 8.10 beta and can't seem to find most programs listed in synaptic, including php, apache, mysql etc...
[20:03] <Fastly> anyone know if i have to enable a repo? or are the apps still limited in 8.10?
[20:04] <danbh_intrepid> Fastly: do you get any errors?
[20:04] <trojkolka> Works like a charm now
[20:04] <Fastly> no... i refresh the program list and try searching for "mysql" - no results..
[20:05] <myk_robinson> trojkolka: the package is not showing for me.. Is this a pre-released update?
[20:05] <danbh_intrepid> Fastly: wellm if you havent yet, check your repos
[20:05] <myk_robinson> i do not have pre-released updates checked in synaptic
[20:05] <trojkolka> me neither
[20:06] <trojkolka> do you have universal or localized?
[20:06] <trojkolka> repos
[20:06] <myk_robinson> i think universal..
[20:06] <myk_robinson> i unchecked all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list
[20:07] <myk_robinson> oh, do you mean United States servers only?
[20:07] <trojkolka> no im not on US server
[20:07] <spiritssight> I get this error when I try and do updates for 8.10: It was not possible to authenticate some packages. This may be a transient network problem. You may want to try again later. See below for a list of unauthenticated packages.
[20:07] <FliesLikeABrick> what is used to view pdf files in kubuntu 8.10?  kpdf doesn't appear to be included
[20:07] <myk_robinson> FliesLikeABrick: it uses Okular now
[20:07] <FliesLikeABrick> spiritssight does doing apt-get update again help?
[20:08] <trojkolka> i dont know why it doesnt show up in your repos
[20:08] <FliesLikeABrick> thanks myk_robinson
[20:08] <Tm_T> "main" != US IIRC
[20:08] <FliesLikeABrick> I used to use kpdf in ubuntu/gnome but noticed it is gone now
[20:08] <Fastly> i seem to have all repo options checked...
[20:08] <myk_robinson> reload is coming slow, maybe it'll show in a minute
[20:09] <myk_robinson> BRB, gonna watch this 14 second video of Kimbo getting knocked out, haven't seen it yet :)
[20:10] <spiritssight> it says:E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[20:10] <spiritssight> E: Unable to lock the list directory
[20:10] <MTeck> how many people came in and freaked out this morning?
[20:11] <MTeck> I lost my system and had to go back to 8.04 :P It was treating me extremely will until today :P
[20:13] <Mimi> Why would we freak out? It's beta.
[20:15] <myk_robinson> got the update compig now :)
[20:16] <myk_robinson> coming...
[20:16] <Frijolie1> what the? Man!
[20:16] <Frijolie1> I got my wifi back, but am still having issues with network-manager
[20:16] <Mimi> you guys talking about iwl3945 ?
[20:16] <Frijolie1> and after my reboot, i guess it never terminated my connection to IRC because it wouldn't let me log back on with my username
[20:17] <Mimi> then do /nickserv ghost ?
[20:17] <MTecknology> Mimi: did it die for many people? or was I just lucky?
[20:18] <Mimi> MTecknology, I don't know, but hey, that makes 2 of us :p
[20:18] <MTecknology> funny - I guess it's the point where everybody throws what they have at 8.10 and fix what breaks before release
[20:18] <Mimi> Whats funny is if I use the 8.04 kernel, I get wireless but no nvidia (both worked fine before the update) but if I use the newest kernel I get nvidia but no wireless hehe
[20:19] <Frijolie1> Everytime I start my OS I have to type "nm-applet&" in a terminal window and then keep it open to maintain an Internet connection
[20:19] <Frijolie1> any way to fix this?
[20:19] <Mimi> add it to your session?
[20:19] <Frijolie1> it's there
[20:19] <Frijolie1> Mimi: just checked
[20:19] <Mimi> the system tray icon i mean
[20:19] <MTecknology> Seems to happen once before every release. It's where I go back to the current release and wait for the release date - or slightly longer
[20:19] <ShackJack> Make sure you have the notification area applet in your panel...
[20:20] <ShackJack> Mimi: ^^
[20:20] <Frijolie1> Mimi: don't know what you mean. There is a "network monitor" option..is that it?
[20:21] <Frijolie1> Mimi: "network monitor" is not the same as network-manager
[20:21] <Splex> Exilant: still there?
[20:22] <Mimi> No idea, I used Wicd, Frijolie
[20:22] <Mimi> :P
[20:22]  * Mimi flexes
[20:22] <ShackJack> Mimi: See above...
[20:22] <Frijolie1> Mimi: yeah I have been using Wicd since I've installed Intrepid, just prefer network-manager when you can get it to work
[20:22] <Mimi>  "Make sure you have the notification area applet in your panel..."
[20:23] <Mimi> ShackJack,  i dont know if you said that regarding Frijolie  or myself. If it was myself, I do have the wicd tray icon on it. It's just the iwl3945 driver isnt loading for some reason
[20:24] <myk_robinson> well, gonna reboot, and Lord willing, come back on wifi
[20:24] <Frijolie1> Mimi: it was there in Hardy and has since disappeared in the upgrade to Intrepid
[20:24] <Frijolie1> myk_robinson: it will work..at least it did for me
[20:24] <Frijolie1> WTF?
[20:25] <Ayabara> !digikam-kde4
[20:25] <Frijolie> interesting
[20:25] <Ayabara> !info digikam-kde4
[20:25] <taggie> anybody have issues with ps2 keyboards not working in gdm lately? weirdest thing, ctrl-alt-f2 works to get a new text vt, but no text will register in gdm
[20:26] <Frijolie> oh, how I love Betas!
[20:26] <Frijolie> Betas on my "production machine"
[20:27] <myk_robinson> okay, that was a scary 20 seonds for me, but it appears to be working
[20:27] <taggie> eh, you're not really living if you're not on the edge. everybody needs some excitement now and then.
[20:27] <myk_robinson> yeah.
[20:27] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: you using network-manager or Wicd?
[20:27] <myk_robinson> network manager
[20:27] <trojkolka> good to hear myk_robinson
[20:27] <taggie> my favorite bug was during beta for hardy or gutsy i think, when there was a libc update that hosed everything.
[20:28] <myk_robinson> what is the default window manager for Gnome?
[20:28] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: hmm, wonder why mine isnt working then..we have the same wifi card
[20:28] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: did you get the updates run that inculded linux-firmware?
[20:28] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yes, I'm on wifi now but, my network-manager applet is hosed
[20:29] <Frijolie> taggie: can't say I experienced that one. I must have missed it somewhere.
[20:29] <myk_robinson> even after a reboot? did you try from termin al           sudo NetworkManager restart
[20:29] <Mimi> Sorry for the dumb question but I am having a brain fart: what is a   -rt  kernel?
[20:29] <myk_robinson> i am running compiz. How do i revert to the default Gnome window manager? I know i can use compiz --replace, but what is the opposite?
[20:30] <myk_robinson> I need to drop compiz when i play sdlmame
[20:30] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: it's not starting with each session. I have to type "nm-applet&" in a term each time and leave it open to maintain Internet connection
[20:30] <Mimi> metacity --replace ?
[20:30] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: open   System-->Preferences-->Session
[20:30] <myk_robinson> you can define startup applications there
[20:31] <Mimi> He knows.
[20:31] <taggie> welp, time to reboot after 107 updates. i love the furious pace of late beta cycles. *cross fingers*
[20:31] <myk_robinson> I have an entry for network manager, and the command is    nm-applet --sm-disable
[20:32] <myk_robinson> Mimi: the metacity command did the trick, thanks
[20:32]  * Mimi nods
[20:32] <myk_robinson> I dont want to use the appearance thing, because it drops my custom settings
[20:34] <Splex> anyone else have any troubles with make-kpkg on 2.6.27?
[20:36] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yeah the entry is there but it still doesn't load.
[20:36] <myk_robinson> hmmm..
[20:36] <myk_robinson> have you tried Wicd?
[20:37] <Mimi> YAY  wifi driver now available *kitteh face*  /goes update. bye ;D
[20:37] <myk_robinson> NetworkManager seems to be hit or miss for a lot of people
[20:37] <myk_robinson> with no explanation as to why it works for one and not hte other
[20:37] <Mimi> He has, he says he prefers N.M.  :P
[20:37] <myk_robinson> oh, i must have missed some conversation
[20:37] <myk_robinson> sorry
[20:37] <myk_robinson> i prefer NM too
[20:38] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yeah, it's definately crazy.
[20:39] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: I have tried Wicd and that works, I just keep giving network-manager a try hoping the issue's fixed
[20:39] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: just out of curiousity, have you tried purging and reinstalling the package?
[20:39] <myk_robinson> perhaps something in its config is fried
[20:40] <virtuelv> did wifi just break for people updating?
[20:40] <myk_robinson> yes, but was fixed a few minutes agao
[20:40] <myk_robinson> you just barely missed the boat on that :)
[20:40] <virtuelv> what exactly broke?
[20:40] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: i've "completely removed" it from Synaptic. Is that a purge?
[20:40] <myk_robinson> wifi simply would not work, showed grayed out
[20:40] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: yes
[20:41] <virtuelv> myk_robinson: will a dist-upgrade fix it?
[20:41] <virtuelv> or is there something in particular I have to do?
[20:41] <myk_robinson> be sure to run apt-get update first
[20:41] <virtuelv> update -f, even
[20:41] <myk_robinson> virtuelv: apparently they changed something in the kernel, then released a new package called linux-firmware.   Run your updates the nupgrade, it should work
[20:41] <Frijolie> virtulv: it's fixed now in the repos
[20:42] <virtuelv> reboot required, I assume?
[20:42] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: maybe I'll make the switch over to wicd and then remove everything related to network-manager and try again
[20:42] <myk_robinson> that's what i was wondering, usually Wicd removes all traces of NetworkManager
[20:44] <Mimi> Oops, no internet on old kernel either now. :3 Anyway I will be able to do updates from now on (Need to grab new linux-firmware package to get internet to work)
[20:44] <Mimi> You think maybe I should get that .deb for the iwl3495 driver before updating?
[20:44] <myk_robinson> no
[20:44] <myk_robinson> its all included in the package linux-firmware, should get pulled on the update
[20:45] <scarface> Is there a way to boot the Live CD with sound disabled?  The login sound is very loud here at work and I need a way to silence it.
[20:45] <virtuelv_> myk_robinson: yay, that worked
[20:45] <virtuelv_> although, it took a sudo apt-get autoremove before it would come back up
[20:46] <samehsmh> hi
[20:46] <Mimi> myk_robinson,  how can I do that update if I  don't have wireless though? :P
[20:46] <myk_robinson> Mimi: are you able to connect by cable?
[20:46] <Mimi> myk_robinson, no, I'm on campus, don't have internet at home
[20:47] <myk_robinson> okay. I will load linux-firmware to meidafire real quick
[20:47] <Splex> maybe there is a way to downgrade the packages? probably have the previous debs still on the system
[20:47] <Mimi> :O If you think that will work ^.^ Hold on, so linux-firmare contains drivers to *all* possible hardware? O.o
[20:48] <Mimi> I thought it would be just for what my laptop needs, hehe
[20:48] <cyrax> I am running compiz fusion on Ubuntu 8.10... Now the majority of effects don't work, and ccsm looks... Strange. I can't choose the animation I want, I have to write which effect (by hand). Right now the open effect, for instance, is "12"... Any idea what to do?
[20:49] <myk_robinson> cyrax: you got all your updates run? there were a lot of compiz updates today
[20:50] <cyrax> I did
[20:50] <myk_robinson> here is the linux-firmware
[20:50] <myk_robinson> http://www.mediafire.com/?wxnijmty3nv
[20:50] <Mimi> Thank you :D
[20:50] <myk_robinson> hope it helps.
[20:50] <myk_robinson> not sure if any dependencies are needed
[20:50] <Mimi> I'll let you know ;)
[20:51] <myk_robinson> cyrax: not sure, I can send you a config file for Compiz for your to import, see if it works for ya.
[20:51] <samehsmh> I'm working on this program with c++ which uses strdup(), this error comes out:error: ‘strdup’ was not declared in this scope .. is there a package removed with the upgrade
[20:51] <samehsmh> ?
[20:51] <myk_robinson> umm.. using Pidgin, how do i send a file
[20:52] <myk_robinson> nvm, found it
[20:52] <myk_robinson> cyrax, you got mail
[20:52] <cyrax> myk_robinson - THanks!
[20:52] <myk_robinson> do you know where the import portion is in ccsm?
[20:53] <virtuelv_> myk_robinson: tried empathy yet?
[20:53] <myk_robinson> what is empathy?
[20:53] <virtuelv_> http://live.gnome.org/Empathy
[20:54] <kulight> myk_robinson: how is it (i didnt get by default)?
[20:54] <myk_robinson> kulight: what are you talking about?
[20:54] <kulight> empathy
[20:55] <myk_robinson> not using it, I'm currently on Pidgin
[20:55] <kulight> ah me too i thought u r
[20:55] <myk_robinson> looking at the screenshots, i dont see why i would use it over pidgin.
[20:55] <Mimi> Oh. I was like 'what the bunny?!?! Epiphany is a web browser, not a IMer!" ... ^^;; Empathy... haha what a name :)
[20:56] <myk_robinson> virtuelv_: care to comment?
[20:56] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: hmm, I'm back and after completely removing network-manager (locate network-manager) and deleting everything related and then reinstalling...problem solved!
[20:56] <myk_robinson> you go, man!
[20:57] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: there's a switch in the sessions command that I didn't have before
[20:57] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: maybe that mad a difference? "nm-applet --sm-disable"
[20:57] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: I had just "nm-applet&"
[20:59] <myk_robinson> strange, i posted the full commaand above, i thought that was what you had.. At any rate, its working
[21:00] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yeah, i'm not complaining in the least! I'm glad that it's working and the program that I want. Now to change the new wallpaper
[21:03] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: is there new default wallpaper?
[21:04] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: you got mail, its a desktop shot of mine
[21:04] <kulight> myk_robinson: yes some kind of ibex
[21:05] <myk_robinson> must not have whatever package includes it. Anyone got an image?
[21:05] <myk_robinson> cyrax: any luck with that file i sent?
[21:05] <scientes> ubiquity just froxe on Configuring apt:Scanning the mirror---------am i safe just to kill it and reboot?
[21:05] <cyrax> myk_robinson - Yes, it gave me some of your settings
[21:05] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: send it again, i think i canceled it out
[21:05] <myk_robinson> is there a way to make Gnome Screenshot save as jpg instead of png?
[21:06] <cyrax> myk_robinson - But apparently my problem is that ccsm isn't compatible with compiz - different versions
[21:06] <scientes> or do i need to install again?????
[21:06] <kulight> myk_robinson: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Ubuntu-8-10-Has-a-Brand-New-Wallpaper-95451.shtml
[21:06] <scientes> who cares its a wallpaper
[21:06] <kulight> scientes: i like it
[21:07] <scientes> any idea on my non-bikshed?
[21:07] <scientes> o shii it finially finished
[21:07] <scientes> seriously that took 15 minutes to scan the mirror
[21:07] <myk_robinson> oh, i have that.. Didnt recognize it as an animal silhouette, thought it looked like a coffe spill or some kind of faux finished paint job
[21:07] <scientes> ''
[21:08] <kulight> myk_robinson::-D
[21:08] <scientes> why does networking tell me every gdang time 'i connected to a network!'
[21:08] <scientes> its like windows stupidity: 'You jsut plugged something into the headphone jack!'
[21:09] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: got it, what version of Gnome are you running?
[21:09] <scientes> and it does it every 30 se
[21:09] <myk_robinson> whatever the default is in 8.10  Just started using Gnome three days ago
[21:09] <myk_robinson> Running Compiz with my own custom settings in ccsm, AVN for the dock bar, and installed Mac4Lin theme packages
[21:09] <myk_robinson> you like?
[21:09] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: just noticed you don't have the Ubuntu, start button logo...
[21:09] <virtuelv_> myk_robinson: on empathy: I like it because it's so much more gnomeish
[21:10] <myk_robinson> do any of you now how to make Gnome Screenshot save as jpg instead of png?
[21:10] <virtuelv_> and apparently it supports msn better
[21:11] <myk_robinson> virtuelv_: never been one to chat except for these irc, oly other app i ever used was Konversation in KDE
[21:11] <scientes> this install is really show
[21:11] <scientes> slow
[21:11] <kulight> scientes: what install ?
[21:12] <myk_robinson> scientes: servers are a bit congested right now, consider how many people are running updates as we speak
[21:12] <myk_robinson> scientes: mine did the same networking thing before the last batch of updates
[21:12] <myk_robinson> works fine now
[21:12] <danbh_intrepid> hey everyone!!!!!! The kernel is fixed!!!!!!!
[21:13] <kulight> danbh_intrepid: witch part of it ?
[21:13] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: there's my screenie
[21:13] <myk_robinson> hmm, its not starting yet..
[21:13] <myk_robinson> may take a sec
[21:14] <danbh_intrepid> kulight: well, it got uploaded to the repo, I just downloaded it.  It was a broken package
[21:14] <virtuelv_> Wondering when we'll see this: http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/antigravity.py?rev=66902&view=markup
[21:14] <myk_robinson> for anyone who cares, here's my screen:    http://img339.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotut5.jpg
[21:14] <kulight> danbh_intrepid: oh you did partial upgrade ?
[21:15] <Frijolie> danbh_intrepid: yeah, I was scared when my wifi went down. took 1/2 day to fix
[21:15] <myk_robinson> that's much better than Windows fixing an issue
[21:15] <Frijolie> myk_robinson: yes, that's what I meant
[21:15] <myk_robinson> heck, i think a few hours is more than acceptable, although i was sweating bullets for a minute
[21:15] <myk_robinson> how many of you were wondering if YOU broke something
[21:16] <danbh_intrepid> virtuelv_: lol
[21:16] <myk_robinson> Frijolie: the file is not coming, can you post it at http://imageshack.us
[21:17] <kulight> nothing broke on my machine and i just did upgrade of about 86 packs
[21:21] <virtuelv> hm, Human in intrepid has developed warts
[21:21] <virtuelv> the menu bar is partially transparent
[21:22] <scientes> can i make encrypted disks with the normal installer?
[21:24] <samehsmh> can someone help, it seems all C string functions(strcmp, strdup,...) won't compile anymore
[21:24] <pen> ??
[21:24] <samehsmh> after upgrade
[21:25] <samehsmh> the compiler says error: ‘strdup’ was not declared in this scope
[21:26] <myk_robinson> connection dropped for a sec
[21:26] <myk_robinson> that was weird
[21:29] <Mimi> Hey myk? Remember that mediafire linux-firmare thing you sent me? It's not downloading :P
[21:40] <pen> anyone using firefox 3.1?
[21:40] <webmaren> well I managed to fix my problem by installing kubuntu-desktop
[21:40] <pen> is it really faster?
[21:40] <pen> why I feel safari in mac faster?
[21:40] <myk_robinson> samehsmh: do you have the package build-essential installed?
[21:40] <webmaren> pen: I've found opera to be faster than FF
[21:41] <pen> webmaren, like in safari, it can smooth scroll ANY page
[21:41] <webmaren> pen: safari is faster on macs because the safari was designed to be run on macs
[21:41] <Mimi> platform specific
[21:41] <myk_robinson> Mimi: try here:   http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wxnijmty3nv
[21:41] <pen> webmaren, but it uses webkit which is not really fast in other webkit browsers
[21:41] <pen> I don't understand
[21:41] <webmaren> ff, opera, what have you work on all OS's so the speed gets compromised
[21:41] <samehsmh> myk_robinson: yes
[21:42] <pen> and I dled 3.1pre2 and tested on both mac and windows
[21:42] <pen> still
[21:42] <pen> not fast
[21:42] <pen> I wonder if there is any mature webkit browsers for linux?
[21:42] <samehsmh> my_robinson: i think it's upgrading to gcc-4.3
[21:42] <EruditeHermit> is today a good day to upgrade to Ibex? Is anything broken?
[21:44] <virtuelv> anyone here running on a thinkpad? (x61s) do you regularily connect external screens?
[21:44] <bluedog> virtuelv: I am running that right now
[21:44] <virtuelv> bluedog: if you connect an external display, does Fn+F7 work for you?
[21:45] <bluedog> virtuelv: no, I have to use the nvidia-settings tool
[21:45] <Splex> anyone else have troubles building the 2.6.27 kernel with kernel-package (make-kpkg)?
[21:45] <virtuelv> bluedog: did it work in the past?
[21:45] <webmaren> running Kubuntu 8.10 and AmaroK 1.92.2 and I can't get any sound
[21:46] <webmaren> more accurately: I can't get any sound from anywhere
[21:46] <Mimi> ah myk_robinson  im getting time outs with that site for some reason.. *tries on other browser* thank you though ^_^
[21:46] <webmaren> but I had sound before I upgraded
[21:46] <bluedog> virtuelv: on 8.04 it didn't and I got in the habbit of using twinview, and I didn't think to test it after the upgrade
[21:46] <samehsmh> myk_robinson: I got it!! I use #include <cstring> instead of #include <string> it's here: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-hams@lists.debian.org/msg02733.html
[21:47] <virtuelv> webmaren: try disabling the sound alert on the login screen, reboot and see if it helps
[21:47] <myk_robinson> Mimi: sending it through IRC
[21:48] <myk_robinson> Mimi: how about this:    http://download191.mediafire.com/z3jtjz3hm1gg/wxnijmty3nv/linux-firmware_1.1_all.deb
[21:48] <myk_robinson> a direct download
[21:48] <virtuelv> bluedog: then I doubt we're having the same problem -- my gpu is an intel, and this failed a couple of weeks ago
[21:49] <bluedog> virtuelv: I have the nvidia card fn-f7 never was reliable
[21:50] <Mimi> Thanks again myk_robinson
[21:50] <virtuelv> bluedog: and you can't get the thinkvantage button to work either, I presume?
[21:50] <myk_robinson> get it that time?
[21:50] <Mimi> It's downloading :)
[21:53] <myk_robinson> Mimi: are you getting it from the link at mediafire? I'm about to shut down, just wanna make sure you're done first
[21:53] <myk_robinson> Gonna go watch a movie with my girls
[21:53] <Mimi> I got it from dcc here, thank you. the mediafire wasnt working for me. you're welcome to shut it down.
[21:53] <Mimi> Hope you have a good time!
[21:53] <myk_robinson> have a good evening, all. Good talking with you
[21:54] <gilster> hello all has the wireless issue been fixed?
[21:55] <gilster> ??
[21:56] <virtuelv> gilster: yes
[21:56] <EruditeHermit> so anybody using intrepid know if anything major is broken?
[21:56] <gilster> virtuelv: hello
[21:56] <gilster> virtuelv: is the wireless crash of earlier upgrade fixed
[21:57] <virtuelv> gilster: yes, as in "the wireless stuff that broke a few hours ago, is now fixed again, just do a sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[21:57] <virtuelv> it didn't come back up for me until I did an apt-get autoremove after that, though
[21:57] <gilster> virtuelv: is there a way i can fix it without updating.?
[21:58] <gilster> i dont have any LAN connectivity
[21:58] <LogicalDash> gilster: I'm on here because I reverted to my older kernel, by choosing it from the GRUB boot menu
[22:00] <gilster> LogicalDash:Did that fix the wireless issue
[22:00] <virtuelv> gilster: fetch the linux-firmware-1.1
[22:00] <virtuelv> gilster: fetch the linux-firmware_1.1_all.deb, put it on a USB stick and install it
[22:00] <LogicalDash> gilster: Yes, I can connect to wireless using my older kernel (the kernel from Hardy)
[22:00] <gilster> virtuelv: great stuff. Thanks. What is that?
[22:01] <virtuelv> LogicalDash: I couldn't with the 2.6.27-6 kernel which was the only older kernel on my system
[22:01] <LogicalDash> Well, yes, it only works if you actually have another kernel
[22:01] <virtuelv> gilster: Description: Firmware for Linux kernel drivers
[22:01] <virtuelv>  This package provides firmware used by Linux kernel drivers.
[22:01] <gilster> great
[22:01] <virtuelv> Replaces: atmel-firmware, linux-restricted-common
[22:01] <gilster> thanks
[22:02] <gilster> what was the problem anyways?
[22:02] <LogicalDash> ummm, bad firmware I'd guess
[22:02] <gilster> i was wandering if was only with specific usb wifi adapters.
[22:02] <gilster> or all drivers?
[22:02] <LogicalDash> Well, it did affect my onboard wireless
[22:05] <gilster> ahhh...
[22:05] <gilster> good to know
[22:06] <gilster> virtuelv: where will i find that deb file
[22:08] <gilster> virtuelv: you here?
[22:09] <Technoviking> anyone else getting bad redraws in the gnome-terminal window with nvidia 177.80 in Intrepid?
[22:10] <blankthemuffin> Yes Technoviking.
[22:10] <blankthemuffin> I get it with the whole screen though.
[22:10] <blankthemuffin> Just every now and then bits get "stuck", like a line will be cut off. Installing updated xorg however.
[22:11] <eklof> Hi all.
[22:11] <eklof> What repos is the primary one?
[22:11] <eklof> I got the wireless problem after some updates. And a fix seem to have uploaded but not reached my mirror yet I suppose.
[22:12] <eklof> I was thinking about changing repos to get my wireless up and running :)
[22:17] <tretle__> will flash 10 make it into intrepid
[22:17] <tretle__> ?
[22:20] <dli> I don't need all xorg video drivers, how to clean up?
[22:25] <Administrator> I dont know if this has been a feature since 8.04, but my xorg.conf is empty. Where can I add custom resolutions?
[22:25] <morpholology> Is there any way to automatically refuse connections from a certain IP if a remote login fails a certain number of times?
[22:26]  * morpholology has been looking at /var/logauth.log and does not like what he sees
[22:26] <zack__> sorry changed my name from admin, lol
[22:27] <dli> morpholology, try fail2ban: apt-get install fail2ban
[22:27] <morpholology> dli: many thanks
[22:32] <zack__> Is there a way to add custom resolutions to ibex? My xorg.conf is empty
[22:36] <milos_> does anybody have problems with bluetooth? It worked great until last few updates on my pc
[22:37] <milos_> zack__, just add custom resolutions to xorg.conf. It should work.
[22:38] <CQ> is the e1000e issue fixed in teh current kernels?
[22:39] <zack__> mlos, it is basically empty but ill give it a shot.
[22:40] <milos_> zack__, yeah I know, just find simple xorg.conf on net and see how it goes.
[22:47] <zack__> i jus added the sub section of display depth with the resolutions and it worked. thanks milos
[22:50] <maccam-desktop1> is openoffice 3.0 going to make it into intrepid?
[22:50] <CQ> if not it'll be in the backports soon enough...
[22:52] <zack__> milos, it seems my gdm is using the lowest resolution now. i rebooted to see if it fixes it but if not what should i do?
[22:53] <CQ> otherwise check if debian has a package in experimental ... .debs are up on the OOO website
[22:53] <CQ> as well
[22:54] <crashsystems> Is there a gui for the encrypted private directory feature?
[23:02] <milos_> zack__, I don't know how to change gdm resolution.
[23:05] <zack__> milos, i figured it out i just re arragned the order the resolutions were listed in the xorg.conf
[23:05] <dli> milos_, the the default resolution for GDM, then, use xrandr to change session to another
[23:05] <dli> milos_, if you want gdm to be different
[23:06] <milos_> ok
[23:06] <amrik> so when i install new nvidia drivers from repository i get rpmdb: lock_downgrade: Lock is no longer valid
[23:17] <myk_robinson> what the heck does all this mean:    http://pastebin.com/m3b7778d6
[23:17] <myk_robinson> end of a dmesg on my system
[23:22] <myk_robinson> KRF: got the VirtualBox issue resolved from last night. Quite honestly, it was a matter of RTFM. answer was right there
[23:28] <jyro> Was there an update to the network manager today?  I can no longer connect to wireless with iwlagn and there is not a list of networks in the network monitor applet.
[23:28] <gil_> hello
[23:28] <gil_> i need help
[23:29] <amrik> jyro: yes i think some network-manager updates went out. i cringe every time i see that happen
[23:30] <jyro> Well it's been working wonderfully until now...  I can't even connect by manually putting in the network info.
[23:33] <gil_> i need help with wirelss fix
[23:38] <myk_robinson> any of you guys got Intel 3945abg?
[23:38] <Technoviking> myk_robinson: I do
[23:38] <myk_robinson> Just installed the drivers from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download because they worked flawlessly in 8.04, but apparently not in 8.10
[23:38] <myk_robinson> Technoviking: how is yours working?
[23:39] <myk_robinson> Mine will connect fine, but "hiccups" every so often, and has to reconnect
[23:39] <Technoviking> myk_robinson: after upgrades since Monday fanatastic
[23:39] <myk_robinson> Same thing happened in Hardy, but the aforementioned drivers fix it..
[23:39] <gil_> i am trying to fix the wireless problems from earlier. How can i do this without  having connectivity
[23:39] <myk_robinson> hmmm.   Typically when it happens, my touchpad also skips for a few seconds
[23:40] <gil_> someone here told me to download firmware deb file. not sure where.
[23:40] <myk_robinson> the firmware was included in an earlier update today
[23:40] <Technoviking> There is a new linux-firmware which you should be able to get from apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:40] <gil_> myk_robinson: how can i get this firmware separately.
[23:41] <myk_robinson> sudo apt-get update, then sudo apt-get install linux-firmware
[23:41] <gil_> the affected machine only has wireless. So i cant apt-get anything
[23:41] <myk_robinson> oh. Hang on, i will send it to you
[23:41] <gil_> i wan to download the firmware alone
[23:41] <gil_> cool
[23:41] <myk_robinson> you got mail
[23:42] <myk_robinson> so long as my wifi holds up :)
[23:42] <myk_robinson> looks like you got it there
[23:43] <gil_> thanks a million man
[23:43] <myk_robinson> no prob
[23:43] <gil_> i was searching for that deb earlier could not find it.
[23:44] <gil_> what was the problem anyways?
[23:44] <myk_robinson> i pulled it from /var/cache/apt/archive
[23:44] <gil_> good stuff
[23:44] <myk_robinson> an earlier update removed all firmware and changed the location of the firmware
[23:44] <gil_> yikes
[23:44] <myk_robinson> then, a later update replaced the firmware
[23:44] <gil_> how did they expect people to update if it borked their wireless card?
[23:44] <myk_robinson> all within the span of a few hours, so if you are running updates throughout the day, you may catch a "work in progress"
[23:45] <myk_robinson> fortunately, i have ehternet to fall back on
[23:45] <myk_robinson> keep in mind, this is a beta
[23:45] <gil_> yes indeed
[23:45] <gil_> oh i am familiar with betas
[23:45] <gil_> thanks for the deb file.
[23:46] <myk_robinson> i had the same problem earlier :)
[23:46] <gil_> i have several laptops here that i cant take to the router. but the desktop on the 3rd floor is far from router and i can only use the wireless with it. (donthave 75 feet of cable)
[23:47] <gil_> i meant to say.....
[23:47] <gil_> that i have several laptops here that were affected but i did the update via LAN at the router.
[23:47] <myk_robinson> looking forward to the finished product.
[23:47] <gil_> my PC is on the first floor routher is on third.
[23:47] <myk_robinson> Every update, i hold my breath and wait to see what gets hosed this time
[23:48] <myk_robinson> gil_: you at work, or you live in a 3 story home?
[23:48] <gil_> yes me too. i am very happy with intrepid so far
[23:48] <gil_> i live in a 3 story house
[23:48] <myk_robinson> WOW!
[23:49] <gil_> router is on the 3rd floor sadly but truly
[23:49] <myk_robinson> you in the US?
[23:49] <gil_> canada
[23:49] <myk_robinson> cool.
[23:49] <myk_robinson> send me a hockey jersey for the .deb file :)
[23:49] <gil_> st.johns, nfld
[23:49] <myk_robinson> ..or some fish or something
[23:49] <gil_> hahahah
[23:49] <myk_robinson> I'm in Tennessee, US
[23:49] <gil_> cool
[23:49] <myk_robinson> do they have "rednecks" in canada?
[23:50] <myk_robinson> I love the "RedGreen Show", you ever seen it?
[23:50] <gil_> not sunny enough ;-)
[23:50] <gil_> oh yes
[23:50] <myk_robinson> I guess this should probably be done in private chat, sorry
[23:50] <andriijas> i have a delicate problem. i have a lcd tv connected to a laptop via vga, running ubuntu ibex. the computer finds the display and i can set the resolution. the problem is that the tv doesnt find anything on the vga port. i have to connect my macbook which does some autodetection and the tv finds vga signal and then change back to the ibex laptop and it will render on the tv.
[23:50] <gil_> haha ok man
[23:50] <gil_> i got to run anywyas
[23:50] <myk_robinson> have a good evening, later
[23:50] <gil_> thanks for the deb file.
[23:50] <gil_> later
[23:51] <myk_robinson> andriijas: what video chipset?
[23:52] <myk_robinson> under System-->Preferences-->Screen Resolution  what happens when you click "Detect Displays"
[23:52] <myk_robinson> andriijas: sorry, man, i have to leave. Time for church
[23:53] <myk_robinson> hope you get it resolved.
[23:55] <andriijas> no thats the wierd thing the detect display in ubuntu doesnt help. because according to ubuntu the display IS detected
[23:55] <andriijas> its some intel x3100