[00:01] <NanoRobot> i have a back up of old xorg.conf file, but don't know how to replace it, because don't know how to load command line. Are there any hot keys , not to load gui ?
[00:02] <ogra> try ctrl-alt-f1
[00:05] <NanoRobot> no,  ctrl-alt-f1 has no success. I think i have only one way - boot from flash, right ?
[00:24] <ogra> from the usb key ? yes, that might help
[00:33] <lool> I think I kicked -psb in hardy and in intrepid decently for today
[00:34] <NanoRobot> ogra: I need a bit to sleep .I will continue the next day. Good buy. Thank you very much for your help !
[00:34]  * ogra still waits if linux-lpia survives
[00:35] <ogra> NanoRobot, you're welcome, i'll be here tomorrow and others too :)
[00:35] <lool> Oh right, I also have ppc64 at home, didn't realize
[00:35] <lool> Too bad I don't have a live image
[00:35] <ogra> wow, you have ppc64 ? 
[00:35] <lool> Yeah, PS3
[00:35]  * ogra only has ppc and mips 
[00:36] <ogra> gah
[00:36] <ogra> now i'm envious
[00:36]  * ogra has a Xbox first gen ...
[00:36] <lool> and I never play it
[00:36] <ogra> because MS paid for it i *had* to buy it
[00:36] <lool> haha
[00:36] <ogra> and 6 games
[00:36] <lool> I have 2 games, one being a prerelease of a game
[00:37] <ogra> i fifnshed two of them in the five years i got the box
[00:37] <ogra> and you cant even get and new ones anymore for it :/
[00:38] <lool> ah
[00:38] <ogra> so i could at least collect games i dont play :P
[00:39] <ogra> last kernel build failed after 47 min ... i guess if it survives 1h we're safe and i'll go to bed ... lrm and meta tomorrow then
[00:40] <ogra> only 20 min to go :)
[00:41] <ogra> the buildds are not really faster than anything i have at home ...
[00:41] <lool> they are under xen, and might even do multiple builds at once though :)
[00:41] <ogra> for lpia ? 
[00:41] <ogra> :)
[00:41] <lool> yeah
[00:42] <lool> they are under xen for lpia
[00:42] <ogra> i meant multiple builds :)
[00:43] <lool> heh why not
[00:43] <lool> everything is built for lpia
[00:43] <ogra> oh, sweet, https://bugs.launchpad.net/+builds/molybdenum actually shows whats going on
[00:44] <ogra> i wish it had autorefersh
[00:59]  * lool waves 'night
[01:06] <ogra> GRRRR !
[01:06] <ogra> faled again, even with abi ignore files
[01:29]  * ogra gives up
[11:24] <lool> persia: Did you see any geode based netbooks?  I'll prepare a lpia openchrome as I think you saw some netbooks with openchrome, but I'm less tempted with geode because we're in sync with debian
[11:25] <ogra> geode is broken anyway
[11:25] <ogra> its supposed to be replaced with something non backward compatible 
[11:25] <lool> it is?
[11:26] <ogra> upstream doesnt want to forward port old code and writes something from scratch
[11:27] <ogra> best talk to Q-Funk about it, he is workig closely with upstream
[11:27] <ogra> i might have misunderstood him
[11:28] <lool> ogra: But why is it currently broken?
[11:28] <ogra> wasnt ported to Xorg 1.5 afaik
[11:28] <ogra> do we have it in -all ? 
[11:28] <lool> I dropped it in lpia
[11:29] <lool> but it's listed in i386
[11:29] <ogra> yeah, we do
[11:29] <lool> It seems it was rebuilt for 1.5
[11:29] <ogra> i'll ask Q-Funk if he is online, he's a resident in #ltsp
[11:29] <lool> ogra: can you check whether it has the proper provides?
[11:30] <ogra> hah, speaking of the devil
[11:30] <lool> ogra: thanks; if you like you can suggest inclusion of lpia
[11:30] <lool> but then, you might want to mention we might drop it in subsequent ubuntu releases
[11:31] <ogra> well, geode and lpia makes s much snese as openchrome and lpia ...
[11:32] <ogra> geode is an integrated gpu/cpu chip
[11:32] <ogra> like the C7 usually has the graphics ship builtin
[11:32] <ogra> both need the 586 instruction set
[11:32] <ogra> which lpia doesnt have
[11:33] <ogra> with more netbooks coming up with such arches we should really start building -mid for i386 instread
[11:33] <lool> I pushed openchrome for lpia
[11:34] <ogra> though i ony hve seen via yet
[11:34] <lool> ogra: err lpia has 586
[11:35] <ogra> # CONFIG_M386 is not set
[11:35] <ogra> # CONFIG_M486 is not set
[11:35] <ogra> # CONFIG_M586MMX is not set
[11:35] <ogra> # CONFIG_M586TSC is not set
[11:35] <ogra> not in what i uploaded yesterday
[11:35] <lool> right, it's 686
[11:36] <lool> I misparsed what you meant
[11:37] <lool> You were saying that C7 only supports up to 586
[11:37] <ogra> right, geode and C7 both use 586 instructions 
[11:37] <lool> ogra: So -geode wont make sense on lpia anytime soon
[11:37] <lool> ok
[11:37] <lool> ogra: And what about openchrome?  I see it's built for amd64
[11:38] <lool> I guess some chips come with 686 CPUs
[11:38] <ogra> well, there are probably ways to put a geode gpu only chip into atom or via gpu only 
[11:38] <ogra> i havent seen them yet though
[11:38] <lool> I doubt you'll find geode + atom
[11:39] <lool> But then ICBW
[11:39] <ogra> all a matter of the right soldering i guess ... if people would do it is a different thing :)
[11:39] <lool> ogra: Hmm isn't it that -nsc is being merged in geode?
[11:40] <ogra> geode is amd owned, so amd64 + geode is somewhat a natural thing
[11:40] <ogra> no
[11:40] <ogra> -amd was moved to -geode
[11:40] <lool> Description-fr: X.Org X server -- NSC Geode GX1 display driver
[11:40] <ogra> right
[11:40] <lool>   [ Julien Cristau ]
[11:40] <lool>   * vars.*: Drop nsc from video-all.  It was only ever useful on i386 anyway,
[11:40] <lool>     and should get integrated into geode at some point.
[11:41] <ogra> there are the LX and ... DX i think ... chipsets
[11:41] <ogra> the Dx is the old one for which you used -nsc
[11:41] <ogra> LX is the new one which used to use -amd which then was renamed to -geode
[11:42] <ogra> since both have the same manufacturer it makes sense to merge nsc into eode
[11:42] <ogra> *geode
[12:00] <Q-FUNK> ogra: ?
[12:01] <Q-FUNK> what about nsc versus geode?
[12:01] <ogra> lool, ^^^ here is the man that can answer all the questions :)
[12:03] <lool> Q-FUNK: Hey, will nsc be merged in geode in the future?
[12:03] <lool> Cause I just merged dropping nsc from video-all for lpia
[12:06] <Q-FUNK> yup, nsc will b e merged in geode
[12:07] <Q-FUNK> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/AMDGeodeDriver#preview
[12:07] <Q-FUNK> and cyrix too
[12:07] <lool> Ok, not sure whether it was time to drop it from video-all, but anyway
[12:08] <Q-FUNK> it can be
[12:08] <Q-FUNK> it's supposed to be i386-only anyhow
[12:08] <lool> Q-FUNK: Another couple of questions; lpia is 686, is it possible to combine a) openchrome with i686 and b) geode with i686 capable CPUs?
[12:08] <Q-FUNK> I'm still baffled as to how it even build on !i386 platforms
[12:08] <Q-FUNK> come again?
[12:09] <Q-FUNK> exactly how is openchrome related to geode?
[12:09] <Q-FUNK> one is for the via chipset and the other for the geode chipset
[12:10] <lool> Q-FUNK: Ok, just skip a), I thought you also cared about openchrome
[12:10] <Q-FUNK> or were you talking about build options?
[12:10] <Q-FUNK> ah
[12:10] <Q-FUNK> but basically, geode can be built with -m686 if desired, yes, AFAIK
[12:11] <lool> Q-FUNK: Is it possible to use it in a 686 hardware configuration?
[12:12] <lool> It probably builds on alpha and powerpc as well, but I don't think you can combine a geode-supported chip with these arches for example
[12:12] <Q-FUNK> geode only builds on i386 and amd64, so far.  lpia probably works also, but is untested.
[12:13] <lool> Note, my question is not about building; I wonder whether hardware configs with 686 and geode-supported graphics exist?
[12:13] <Q-FUNK> geode is x86 by definition, since the video is integrated with the x86 cpu
[12:13] <lool> I don't doubt it would build on lpia
[12:14] <lool> lpia is x86, but it's i686
[12:14] <Q-FUNK> old cyrix and nsc geode are essentially i586
[12:14] <Q-FUNK> IIRC GX2 is also 586, but LX might be 686
[12:15] <Q-FUNK> brb
[12:15] <lool> Q-FUNK: Let me ask that differently, we have the lpia arch, and the Ubuntu MID images using this arch; some people would like to use Ubuntu MID or the packages from the lpia arch in general, but we don't know whether we should make geode available on that arch
[12:15] <lool> blah
[12:18] <ogra> well, i think if he's right with LX it might make sense to have the LX driver
[12:19] <lool> Yeah, so enabling geode on lpia
[12:19] <ogra> right
[12:19] <ogra>  This X.org server module supports the AMD Geode GX2/LX video chipsets.
[12:19] <lool> But since he's the maintainer of the git tree, I'd like to ask him to add lpia
[12:19] <ogra> though the description talks abotu GX2 *and* LX
[12:20] <lool> That's fine
[12:20] <ogra> yeah
[12:20] <ogra> lool, eeek, you dropped i810
[12:20] <lool> yes
[12:20] <ogra> that might get oem in trouble
[12:20] <lool> xserver-xorg-video-i810
[12:21] <lool>  This is a transitional package providing the Xorg video driver for the
[12:21] <lool>  Intel i8xx and i9xx family of chipsets, and can be safely removed.
[12:21] <ogra> the i810 driver is the only one still supporting panning
[12:21] <ogra> ugh
[12:21] <lool> It's in -intel now
[12:21] <lool> AIUI
[12:21] <ogra> then we cant support cmpc anymore
[12:21] <ogra> -intel is definately linked to xrandr 
[12:21] <lool> *I* didn't break it :-)
[12:22] <ogra> i810 hed some hacks that made the Virtual option switch to panning instead of a virtual desktop
[12:22] <ogra> they are not compatible with the intel driver
[12:22] <Q-FUNK> re
[12:22] <lool> Q-FUNK: Let me ask that differently, we have the lpia arch, and the Ubuntu MID images using this arch; some people would like to use Ubuntu MID or the packages from the lpia arch in general, but we don't know whether we should make geode available on that arch
[12:22] <ogra> Q-FUNK, so enabling geode on lpia seems to make sense 
[12:22] <lool> Q-FUNK: it might be that geode LX supports i686, in which case it would be nice to list lpia in the arch list for geode
[12:22] <Q-FUNK> it would
[12:23] <ogra> according to your comment that LX might be 686
[12:23] <Q-FUNK> can we enable it as a test and see if it builds?
[12:23] <ogra> freeze is on thu. not sure how much we can shuffle after that
[12:23] <Q-FUNK> if it does, I'll just add it to the upstream debian package's arch list and to the hardy-backports
[12:25] <lool> Q-FUNK: Thanks; NB this probably need a Pas update as well
[12:26] <lool> I just maield the Pas maintainers
[12:27] <Q-FUNK> there is a p-a-s at ubuntu also?
[12:28] <lool> It's shared with Debian, yes
[12:28] <Q-FUNK> also, we still don't have any lpia arch at debian, do we?
[12:28] <Q-FUNK> thanks for mailing p-a-s maintainers
[12:28] <lool> It's supported in Debian's dpkg, but Debian isn't built for lpia that I know of
[12:29] <Q-FUNK> ok, that's what I thought
[12:30] <lool> Q-FUNK: I just built -geode on intrepid lpia
[12:30] <lool> By appending lpia to Architecture: lines
[12:30] <Q-FUNK> worked?
[12:30] <Q-FUNK> ok, I'll add it then
[12:30] <lool> Well I don't have anything to test it
[12:31] <lool> it built the _drv.so and hte xvmc libs at least
[12:32] <Q-FUNK> that sounds like a good start
[12:32] <Q-FUNK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-geode/+bug/255991
[12:33] <Q-FUNK> lool: I'll add it to the debian/experimental package now.  could you sponsor it?
[12:33] <Q-FUNK> then we can sync to intrepid 
[12:33] <lool> I'm not sure I understand where you want me to sponsor?  to intrepid to then sync to intrepid?!
[12:35] <lool> I can sponsor the SRU, but I don't see how this relates to a sync
[12:35] <Q-FUNK> to experimental, then sync to intrepid
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> intrepid currently uses the experimental package from debian
[12:36] <lool> Ok, is sponsoring to experimental related to above bug?  Or should I just sponsor what's in git to experimental?
[12:36] <Q-FUNK> we don't use git yet
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> goede is not maintained by XSF
[12:37] <lool> But it's at git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xorg/driver/xf86-video-geode.git right?
[12:37] <lool> Aha
[12:37] <Q-FUNK> Arch: is space-separated list right?
[12:37] <lool> the packaging isn't
[12:37] <lool> Q-FUNK: yes
[12:37] <lool> Q-FUNK: you shouldn't have Vcs-* fields if the packaging isn't at this place
[12:38] <Q-FUNK> it's only to indicate where the packaing is?  i thought it was to indicate the upstream repo
[12:38] <lool> No, it's for the repo of the Debian / Ubuntu source
[12:38] <Q-FUNK> ah
[12:38] <Q-FUNK> lemme remove this, then
[12:39] <lool> You get a warning when you apt-get source a package with Vcs-*
[12:39] <lool> (because you should use the Vcs, not apt-get source)
[12:39] <lool> and debcheckout will pull from the Vcs if you ask for a source tree, but you want the packaging when you do debcheckout
[12:39] <lool> Q-FUNK: where the experimental upload to sponsor then?
[12:40] <Q-FUNK> just a sec
[12:43] <Q-FUNK> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-geode/xserver-xorg-video-geode_2.10.1-4.dsc
[12:44] <Q-FUNK> this can be sync'ed from experimental into intrepid after
[12:46] <Q-FUNK> lool: there :)
[12:55] <lool> Hmm needs experimental, will take a while to update my experimental chroot
[12:59] <lool> argh
[12:59] <lool> it's not amd64
[13:00] <lool> need to build in i386 blah
[13:00] <Q-FUNK> indeed not
[13:00] <Q-FUNK> although in principle, building on amd64 should work
[13:01] <Q-FUNK> there's some configure checks to see whether it's being built on amd64
[13:01] <Q-FUNK> I don't have any amd64 hardware to test a build with, so I never enabled the arch
[13:01] <lool> amd64 is not in the architecture list
[13:02] <Q-FUNK> you're welcome to try addign it and see if it builds
[13:03] <lool> I don't think there are amd64 + geode configs yet anyway
[13:03] <Q-FUNK> the only safe choice for geode has been i386, since we're talking about an i586 -compatible chipset, so that's the only one I had enabled
[13:03] <Q-FUNK> but in priciple, configure allows using amd64 as a build host
[13:03] <lool> i586 *and* i686 IIUC
[13:09] <lool> Q-FUNK: the SRU is half prepared; I'm not too confident in doing the other half myself
[13:09] <lool> the acked diff is the one attached by bryce
[13:09] <lool> I think I'd prefer him to pursue the SRU
[13:10] <Q-FUNK> ok
[13:10] <Q-FUNK> let's focus on the experimental+intrepid one, for now
[13:10] <Q-FUNK> that's already something :)
[13:10] <lool> pushed the experimental version
[13:11] <lool> will ask for sync tomorrow, when it's dinstalled in debian
[13:14] <lool> I wonder whether we should kick a build to see whether psb detection is really fallbacking to vesa now
[13:34] <persia> lool, The only *chrome device I know that might be interested is the oqo v2, but I think that's VIA C-7M, which I think is only i586.
[13:35] <persia> lool, That said, I've not exactly tested everything out there :)
[13:54] <lool> ogra: ubuntu-mobile doesn't come up in kvm
[13:58] <lool> ogra: this looks really bad
[14:00] <Celtiore> hi all
[14:02] <Celtiore> persia, do you have info about the rumour for the 'opening' of idctouch driver ?
[14:02] <ogra> lool, hmm, i never test on kvm, the converted image in vbox used to work
[14:02] <lool> ogra: it's recent
[14:05] <asac> lool: #283080
[14:05] <asac> lool: you know if those are getting their packages from a different repo=
[14:05] <asac> ?
[14:05] <persia> Celtiore, I've not heard that rumor, so sorry, but no.
[14:05] <asac> or are you the wrong to ask?
[14:05] <persia> bug #283080
[14:07] <lool> asac: You should talk to OEM
[14:07] <persia> asac, I see firefox-3.0 as 3.0~b5+nobinonly-0ubuntu3 on hardy lpia, which matches other architectures.  I'm not sure if a different repo is used.
[14:08] <lool> asac: They use some fork of hardy
[14:09] <asac> well. they _must_ track security imo
[14:09] <asac> there we have 3.0.3
[14:11] <persia> asac, I don't track security in my chroot :)  Let me update, and confirm for lpia.
[14:11] <ogra> lool, -mid works in kvm ?
[14:12]  * ogra really didnt plan to do any image testing today, evtouch was on my plate :/
[14:13] <persia> ogra, I'll do image testing then.  Please fix evtouch.
[14:14] <ogra> well, nothing to fix but i need to finish the .fdi files :) i'll jum on the image as well then
[14:14] <ogra> persia, what are you doing here today ? 
[14:14] <persia> It's not day anymore :)
[14:14] <lool> ogra: xorg comes up, but stays on the orange background
[14:15] <lool> it doesn't look like a xorg breakage
[14:15] <ogra> lool, smells like compiz
[14:15] <lool> hmm actually I don't have mouse
[14:15] <ogra> hal ?
[14:15] <ogra> hmm
[14:15] <lool> The mouse is displayed, but doesn't work
[14:15]  * ogra rsyncs
[14:15] <ogra> yeah, sounds like hal
[14:16] <lool> i'm trying mid now
[14:16] <ogra> do other kvm images work ? 
[14:16] <ogra> right
[14:16] <lool> on another front, jax10, it doesn't fallbackon vesa
[14:16] <lool> It detects an intel chip
[14:16] <ogra> that rather sounds like something low level
[14:16] <lool> lspci says 8086:8109
[14:16] <lool> ogra: Argh, ignore me
[14:17] <lool> ogra: today's images probably work fine *sigh*
[14:17] <persia> lool, What did you do?
[14:17] <lool> I broke my kvm wrapper, and it didn't pass -m 512
[14:17] <ogra> ouch
[14:17] <persia> heh
[14:17] <asac> persia: thx
[14:17] <lool> sorry folks
[14:17] <ogra> what does it default to ? 
[14:17] <lool> not enough
[14:17] <ogra> mobile should work with 256
[14:17] <lool> I think 128
[14:17] <ogra> ah
[14:18] <lool> it defaults to 128
[14:18] <ogra> as long as nobody broke compcache at least
[14:18] <lool> much faster and better :)
[14:18] <ogra> heh
[14:18] <ogra> phew
[14:18] <lool> Now I don't remember what I wanted to test
[14:18] <ogra> test ltsp on mobile, i just uploaded fixes :P
[14:18] <lool> hehe
[14:19]  * ogra wonders if he should add lpia as client arch :P
[14:19] <persia> asac, 3.0.3+build1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 is in hardy-security for lpia
[14:19] <persia> ogra, Don't : there's too much that depends on hildon.  That's a Jaunty goal for -mobile.
[14:20] <ogra> persia, hildon on ltsp ? 
[14:20] <ogra> that might be funny :)
[14:20] <persia> ogra, I think it would break stuff.  We need to fix lpia before we enable stuff (one of the reasons that I haven't made -desktop work)
[14:20] <asac> persia: ok good
[14:21] <persia> kubuntu could probably do lpia, but big chunks of GNOME are mangled.
[14:21] <ogra> persia, well, it would add --arch lpia to ltsp-build-client (which currently supports ppc,i386 and amd64)
[14:21] <ogra> which in turn just calls debootstrap and installs ltsp-client-core and ldm
[14:22] <ogra> you could use nettops as thin clients 
[14:22] <lool> asac: http://dell-mini.archive.canonical.com/
[14:22] <persia> ogra, Except that I suspect stuff would break because of how things were hildonised.
[14:23] <ogra> ldm surely isnt hildonised 
[14:23] <ogra> and ltsp-client is only a bunch of scripts ... it wouldnt break the client side
[14:23] <ogra> though the desktop you log in to might look intresting :)
[14:24] <ogra> unless the server is i386 or amd64
[14:24] <persia> Hrm.  Might work then.  Check debian/rules for your dependencies to make sure nothing is mangled.
[15:24] <lool> amitk: uhoh aufs issues
[15:24] <lool> amitk: I'm seeing this from a live USB on jax10
[15:24] <lool> dpkg core dumps with odd assertions
[15:25] <lool> and dmesg sees some aufs errors "unexpectedly many pseudo links"
[15:26] <ogra> does apt-get update work ? 
[15:26] <lool> Yes
[15:26] <lool> It hangs in a dpkg --configure -a
[15:26] <ogra> weird
[15:29] <lool> I might have filled up the fs though
[15:29] <ogra> ah
[15:34] <persia> I think you filled up the fs.  Some of those devices weren't designed to handle actual data.
[15:34] <ogra> or OSes :P
[15:35] <lool> Note: I filled it, /then/ I made some space
[17:07] <lool> ogra: Hey, suggestions on how to go forward for psb detections welcome
[17:07] <lool> persia: or you too
[17:07] <lool> i installed xserver-xorg-core ubuntu2
[17:07] <lool> manually
[17:07] <ogra> lool, after the podcast 
[17:08]  * ogra is distracted
[17:08] <lool> I have to disappear unfortunately
[17:08] <lool> So I'm dumping stuff here
[17:08] <ogra> ok
[17:08] <lool> I'm booting of the ubuntu-mobile usb key
[17:08] <lool> on startup, the failsafe vesa xorg propose to fix my display
[17:08] <lool> I ctrl alt baskspace it
[17:08] <lool> update xorg-core as noted above
[17:09] <lool> then gdm restart doesn't come up, still the same failsafe; I guess this is only when you don't have a xorg.conf
[17:09] <lool> If I sudo X -configure, it crashes
[17:09] <lool> because of nsc_drv.so
[17:09] <lool> (symbol issue)
[17:09] <lool> I remove that file
[17:10] <lool> Then -configure fails with "open /dev/fb0 no such file or directory"
[17:10] <ogra> weird
[17:10] <ogra> it shouldnt access fb0
[17:10] <lool> That just configure
[17:11] <lool> If I check the actual xorg.conf, it has no driver
[17:11] <ogra> yeah, not run usually anyway
[17:11] <ogra> remove it
[17:11] <lool> I think it tries to load psb before trying vesa, but never tries vesa when psb isn't present
[17:11] <ogra> and restart gdm
[17:11] <ogra> just go without one completely but with the fixed xserver package
[17:11] <lool> there's no mention of psb in xorg.conf, but I see "Failed to load module psb"
[17:12] <ogra> hrm
[17:36] <ogra> lool, does the last change fix it now ? 
[17:36] <lool> Waiting for the build
[17:36] <lool> I actually wanted to upload that last one to ppa first, but mistakingly uploaded to ubuntu
[17:37] <ogra> well, the changelog entry makes sense
[17:38] <lool> for some reason, the .debs don't make it to librarian or smth
[17:43] <lool> Ok, really need to disappear
[17:43] <ogra> ciao
[18:57] <ogra> wohooo
[18:57]  * ogra just successfully paired his freedomkeyboard with a new BT dongle
[18:58] <ogra> geez, even the german keymap works right
[18:58] <ogra> äöü
[18:58] <ogra> ß
[18:58] <ogra> heh
[19:56] <ogra> mterry, i pointed colin to your bug, he found it very valuable and will incude the fix before release he said
[19:58] <mterry> ogra: Great.  Yeah, I saw his comments on it
[19:58] <mterry> ogra: Thanks
[19:58] <ogra> :)
[20:17] <lool> ogra: last ubuntu4 fix did the trick, yeah!
[20:18] <ogra> yay
[20:18] <lool> Now I can point customer at it
[20:18] <ogra> my BT works as well, got a new dongle
[20:18] <ogra> one thats suposed to work in 100m range 
[20:19] <ogra> if i could only get my headset working with alsa now, then i could keep my ekiga up permanently
[20:20] <ogra> any news from amitk about the kernel upload ? 
[21:36] <lool> ogra: nice
[21:36] <lool> ogra: didn't see any news from amitk on kernel bits; I read he was working on it today
[21:36] <lool> but you read that too
[21:39] <amitk> lool: just back from dinner with friend (and some wine). I fixed it, but stopped to rebase to -7.11
[21:39] <amitk> ogra: ^
[21:40] <lool> amitk: good to know, thanks
[21:40] <amitk> lool: tomorrow morning I should have something for upload.... I wanna test it a bit more.
[21:40] <lool> Ok
[21:47] <lool>  [ANNOUNCE] PyClutter 0.8.0
[21:47] <lool> njpatel_away: ^^ :)
[21:49] <ogra> amitk, i'm not sure when slangasek actually freezes the archive ,,,
[22:20] <lool> ogra: it's tomorrow, when he wakes up, but he can also review the upload I guess
[22:20] <ogra> yeah, i#m just scared about breaking uploads
[22:21] <ogra> and re-uploads of them 
[22:21] <ogra> this abi stuff was quite disappointing
[22:44] <julien_> hello
[22:44] <julien_> need help for installing Ubuntu MID Edition ? 
[22:46] <julien_> I am trying to install it on ASUS R2h UMPC but when it is loading the first time for installing, I can see the Ubuntu loading bar and then I ve got a black screen
[22:46] <julien_> I have read on the web same guy with the same problem but no one replied to his request
[22:51] <lool> julien_: Does it work any better with i386 images, such as ubuntu-mobile.img?
[22:51] <lool> julien_: It would be nice to get a Xorg.log to see what's happening when X starts up
[22:52] <lool> since it's intel graphics, it should be decently supported
[22:52] <julien_> i managed to run ubuntu normal edition on R2h
[22:52] <julien_> it is working perfectly
[22:52] <lool> julien_: aha
[22:53] <lool> julien_: And can you switch to text console when booting from mid?
[22:53] <julien_> where can i find  i386 img
[22:53] <julien_> bc i have just found one unique image
[22:53] <lool> julien_: topic
[22:53] <lool> Topic for #ubuntu-mobile: [...] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mobile/intrepid/current http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-mid/intrepid/current/
[22:53] <lool> try a newer daily
[22:54] <julien_> bc i tried the ubuntu-mobile daily img
[22:54] <julien_> by the way, i have a xorg.conf perfectly configurer for my R2h
[22:55] <julien_> the thing is how can I replace it during the installation
[22:55] <julien_> because I think it takes a wrong configuration for my screen but how can i change it ?
[22:56] <lool> Sorry, I'm lost
[22:56] <julien_> ok i restart
[22:56] <lool> Do you speak French?
[22:56] <julien_> oui
[22:56] <lool> C'est une image récente de ubuntu mid que tu as essayée ?
[22:56] <julien_> oui celle d aujourd hui
[22:57] <julien_> je pense que c est le drive de l ecran qui est mal reconnu
[22:57] <lool> Ok ; c'est pas évident de démarrer en mode texte avec ubuntu mid
[22:57] <julien_> car avec xubuntu j avais un ecran blanc quand j essaiais d installer
[22:57] <julien_> j ai reussi a installer ubuntu mais je n y arrive plus maintenant car j ai tout le temps un ecran blanc 
[22:57] <lool> Normalement, les paquets ubuntu mid et ubuntu mobile sont à peu près les mêmes, les deux grosses différences sont l'archi (lpia versus i386) et l'interface utilisateur
[22:57] <julien_> le truc est que j ai un xorg.conf que j ai trouvé sur le web qui marche avec mon R2H
[22:58] <julien_> vous n avez pas une version alternate ?
[22:58] <lool> julien_: Ce qu'il faudrait essayer de faire, c'est lancer X -configure depuis une console et comparer avec ton xorg.conf qui marche
[22:58] <lool> X -configure c'est ce qui génère notre xorg.conf au boot
[22:58] <julien_> ok
[22:59] <julien_> je crois que c est le driver qui doit changer
[22:59] <lool> Pour booter en mode texte, tu peux essayer de passer "S" sur la ligne de commande syslinux
[22:59] <lool> ça devrait être le même driver, mais peut être qu'on a un bug
[22:59] <julien_> par defaut il met intel alors qu il faut i810
[22:59] <lool> i810 a été supprimé dans intrepid
[22:59] <lool> julien_: Tu arrives à booter le daily ubuntu ?
[22:59] <julien_> ah c pour ca que je n arrive plus a installer meme ubuntu
[23:00] <lool> julien_: Oui
[23:00] <julien_> ben je boote sur cle usb
[23:00] <julien_> le logo ubuntu qui charge
[23:00] <julien_> apparait puis apres plus rien
[23:00] <lool> ogra: Someone with the same issue as cmpc: needs i810; when X selects intel, it doesn't work
[23:00] <ogra> yeah
[23:00] <lool> julien_: Le logo ubuntu n'est pas sous Xorg
[23:00] <ogra> but i810 is gone now
[23:00] <ogra> :(
[23:01] <lool> ogra: We should bring this up with xorg folks
[23:01] <ogra> well, someone would eed to port i810 to xorg 1.5
[23:01] <ogra> i doubt that has happened
[23:01] <lool> ogra: But intel is supposed to support i810
[23:02] <ogra> though i see its a GMA 900, the intel driver should support that
[23:02] <julien_> why is it gone?
[23:02] <lool> julien_: Because support was moved into a single tree for all intel chips
[23:02] <ogra> the intel driver is supposed to replace it completely
[23:02] <julien_> do you want i send you my good xorg.conf?
[23:02] <ogra> which apparently isnt the case
[23:03] <julien_> i have read on the web to change intel into i810 to make it working
[23:03] <ogra> in intrepid i810 is just a fake name for the intel driver now 
[23:04] <julien_> so you think intel should work
[23:04] <julien_> ok so maybe i have better to type S to get the shell and do a X configure ?
[23:04] <lool> julien_: It's likely intel doesn't work since you get a black screen
[23:05] <julien_> nope
[23:05] <ogra> if you moe xorg.conf out of the way completely, do you get the black screen ? 
[23:05] <lool> julien_: Would be nice to start in text mode and arrange to save a generated xorg.conf and Xorg.log in some place which you can access
[23:06] <julien_> ok
[23:06] <lool> ogra: debian/patches/141_improved_driver_selection.patch mentions some i810
[23:06] <lool> this isn't in the debian package
[23:07] <lool> +>------    } else {
[23:07] <lool> +>------>-------driverList[0] = "intel";
[23:07] <lool> +>------>-------driverList[1] = "i810";
[23:07] <julien_> From http://ubuntu-r2h.blogspot.com/:  I tried also a daily build of Gutsy on 11-September-2007 (not a lucky date, is it?), but due to the fact Xorg used the "intel" driver instead of the "i810" one, the LCD became brighter and brighter until it was totally white and I had to switch off the UMPC
[23:07] <lool> but it should still try intel first
[23:07] <julien_> OK i am remaking a bootable usb key with MID
[23:07] <julien_> and try that
[23:07] <lool> julien_: You can use mobile
[23:08] <lool> julien_: It's easier to go to text mode with mobile
[23:08] <lool> julien_: Just pass "text" on the cmdline
[23:08] <lool> julien_: Or use a regular ubuntu live cd if you can
[23:08] <lool> julien_: This isn't specific to mobile at all I think
[23:08] <julien_> i have ubuntu-mobile.img ? it is good?
[23:08] <lool> Yeah that's fine
[23:09] <julien_> yeah it is true it is linked with ubuntu in general
[23:09] <julien_> ok i am trying
[23:09] <julien_> please hold
[23:10] <lool> julien_: So the best way to track your issue is to file a bug
[23:10] <lool> julien_: Go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/+filebug
[23:10] <lool> report it against xserver-xorg-video-intel
[23:10] <lool> (in package:)
[23:11] <lool> In Summary state that Asus R2H Intel GMA 900 doesn't come up with intrepid; used to work with i810
[23:11] <lool> julien_: Then explain in further info what you explained here
[23:11] <lool> attach the output of lspci -nnvv as a text file to the bug
[23:11] <lool> julien_: and give us the bug URL
[23:11] <ogra> and if possible attach Xorg.0.log
[23:12] <lool> julien_: It would really nice to attach the xorg.conf generated by X -configure and Xorg.log
[23:12] <lool> ogra: Do you have a recipe for that?  it's not trivial when your device actually turns black, and you're from a live key with no persistence
[23:12] <lool> I'd guess one can setup a casper persistence, but it's not trivial
[23:13] <james_w> it's currently broken as well
[23:13] <ogra> dont we have that by default ? 
[23:13] <lool> ogra: it's turned on, but you need some partition for it
[23:13] <ogra> (persistance)
[23:13] <ogra> ah, right
[23:13] <james_w> you need to pass "persistence" when booting as well
[23:13] <ogra> thats set by default
[23:14] <james_w> but as I say, it's broken, fixed in casper bzr
[23:14] <ogra> but wont work without a partition 
[23:14] <james_w> ogra: you mean on the mobile images?
[23:14] <ogra> yes
[23:14] <ogra> we set that option in syslinux.cfg
[23:14] <james_w> ah, ok
[23:14] <julien__> sorry guys i think i was disconnected
[23:14] <ogra> i didnt know casper is broken though
[23:15] <julien__> i dont know what is wrong but wifi is dying sometimes
[23:15] <julien__> where do i have to type text ?
[23:15] <julien__> bc in boot line, it doesn't work?
[23:17] <lool> julien__: what was the last line you got from us?
[23:17] <julien__> [00:08] <julien_> i have ubuntu-mobile.img ? it is good?
[23:17] <julien__> [00:08] <lool> Yeah that's fine
[23:18] <julien__> sorry guys, but the rt73 driver doesnt seem to be stable
[23:19] <lool> julien__: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58079/
[23:22] <julien__> i have this on my syslinux.cfg :   append file=/cdrom/preseed/mobile.seed boot=casper initrd=initrd.img persistent quiet splash noprompt
[23:22] <julien__> so persistence is activated right?
[23:26] <ogra> julien_, but as james_w noted, it might be broken, waiting for a fix 
[23:27] <julien__> so if it is working, i need just to type 'text' at boot prompt
[23:27] <julien__> and i can run x configure
[23:27] <julien__> ?
[23:27] <ogra> that migh work
[23:27] <ogra> try it
[23:28] <julien__> bc right now, it is saying it can't find 'text' image
[23:30] <james_w> yeah, "persistent" will currently fail to boot if you have the casper-rw file
[23:30] <lool> julien__: You need to pass the full cmdline
[23:31] <lool> julien__: text is just a flag on the cmdline
[23:31] <lool> julien__: It's easier from ubuntu cdroms because you can edit it ;)
[23:31] <lool> julien__: Check syslinux.cfg on the usb key
[23:38] <julien_> still disconnected
[23:38] <julien_> still disconnected ...
[23:38] <julien_> sorry
[23:40] <ogra> no, you are connected :)
[23:40] <julien_> lol
[23:40] <julien_> sorry what do i have to type in syslinux.cfg
[23:40] <julien_> bc i am not an expert in syslinux.cfg at all
[23:42] <julien_> (i was disconnected from [00:32] to [00:38]