[00:27] crimsun: Yes - re: that sound bug [00:27] Unless there's been an update in the last day [00:51] newbie question, what language are mostly used when programming in Ubuntu? [00:51] purely for ubuntu? python is the language of choice [00:52] well.. I guess you can use all different languages, but C# is the wrong aproach since its kind of Microsoft's development language right? [00:53] i wouldn't say that [00:53] Heh. Wrong person, there :) [00:53] given windows is mostly written in C or C++ [00:53] * ajmitch wouldn't say that to someone who looks after mono packages :) [00:53] C# is an international standard [00:53] ajmitch, i'm even in Uploaders now [00:54] ah ok ... [00:54] directhex: well done [00:54] The mono stack is a nice development environment, even if the gtk# bindings aren't thread-safe (damn them all the way to Hades!) [00:54] RAOF, neither is GTK+ generally! [00:54] * ajmitch appears to not be in pkg-mono or pkg-cli-* [00:54] directhex: That's no excuse! The Java bindings are thread-safe! [00:55] RAOF, by wrapping all the calls into the mainloop? [00:55] I believe by setting gtk_threads_enter/leave to use a Java-managed recursive lock, and just aquiring that lock for all calls. [00:55] ajmitch, are you actively working on any pkg-mono or pkg-cli-* package? i know the svn ACLs get cleaned up periodically [00:55] directhex: no, not at the moment [00:56] though I ought to get back into it [00:56] I'm sure meebey would be overjoyed to see me back... [00:56] warning: irc lacks the tags used by more advanced protocols [00:56] assuming that's sarcasm. I CAN'T TELL! [00:57] directhex: but since I have recently started with a C# programming class, I would like to get my programming skills working for both operating systems, developement for Ubuntu (or linux) would still be used mainly with python? [00:57] Niike|home, well, there are major desktop apps for linux written with c# [00:57] Niike|home: You can use whatever language you like; there are plenty of C# apps to contribute to. [00:57] Niike|home, ubuntu ships 2 of them in the default install [00:58] ok! instead of .exe apps it uses? :S [00:58] Niike|home, the same [00:58] the .exe suffux is still there, just hidden by wrappers :) [00:58] Niike|home, mono is a CLI framework, just like Microsoft.NET. it uses the same file types and extensions [00:59] Niike|home, i.e. a well-written CIL app compiled on linux will run on windows or mac, and vice versa [00:59] aah ok! made it somewhat easier to understand the difference! :) [01:00] so a CLI written app would hence be more powerfull than one written purely for .NET? Or can linux, mac etc use .NET apps just as good as Windows? [01:00] a picture says a thousand words, right? [01:01] hrmm.. yea!? [01:02] * ajmitch thinks directhex is probably digging up a diagram to explain it [01:02] Niike|home: .NET is an implementation of the CLI, but it also has a bunch of Windows-specific frameworks available. If you don't use the windows-specific stuff, a .NET app is essentially indistinguishable from a Mono app. [01:02] http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-gtk-01.png is the app i've been working on for a few years for my employers. it's 100% C#, written on amd64 ubuntu, using GTK# for the GUI, and Mono.Addins for the plugin architecture, plus MonoCurses for the text mode [01:02] as a side note, many of those windows-specific bits can be used with mono as well, like System.Windows.Forms [01:02] http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-win32-01.png is the exact same app (i.e. the same .exe and .dll files copied and pasted) running on 32-bit vista, using Microsoft.NET. it uses the same technologies - GTK#, Mono.Addins [01:02] but others call into the win32 API still [01:03] http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-macos-01.png is the exact same app on Mono 1.9.1 on Mac OS 10.5. same tech, same app [01:03] directhex: oxford-specific stuff, is it? [01:04] ajmitch, well, only because i didn't make most of the strings modifiable. if you run the same openldap schema as me, it should work fine [01:04] looks like something that could possibly be useful [01:04] aah nice explanation there directhex! :) [01:05] for completeness, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-ncurses-04.png is what you get if you don't have the ability to run X apps (i.e. DISPLAY is null or empty), thanks to MonoCurses [01:05] RAOF: aa thank you for your explanation too! :) [01:05] i think i'm the second user of MonoCurses for a real-world app, and i had to modify the source to add new widgets to it :) [01:06] doing rm -rf ~/Mail/ubuntu-bugs/ is taking a very, very long time [01:07] * ajmitch thinks there were about 500k messages in there :) [01:09] ok now I think ive learnt something very usefull today! :) [01:12] im planning to setup HTPC computer and use any kind of unix. I choose Ubuntu-desktop and when im on it, want a NAS to be installed on it. to hold all my 100th HD movies. Would ubuntu be a wise choice? [01:12] it would not be an unwise choice [01:14] The Debian External Health System (a.k.a. DEHS) has found a new upstream version [01:14] of the package mono in the unstable distribution. [01:14] The current package version is 1.9.1+dfsg-4 and latest by upstream is 2.0. [01:14] thanks, DEHS. no shit! [01:14] yea just confirming that. And until I get a hang of the whole unix architecture in compare with windows i'm thinking about VMware to use a virtual ubuntu installation.. that would work fine yes? [01:15] on the understanding that performance would suck, and you couldn't do media things, yes [01:17] damn, ok! so a dual boot is my only choice when using media? or buy that HTPC and try it from there? [01:17] * ajmitch wonders if ironpython could be updated in sid [01:17] your call. but media playback, fr'example, is unaccelerated inside vmware [01:18] aa well.. ill look into it tomorrow. thanks for the help! [01:18] ajmitch, oh, we missed that. ipy is not part of pkg-cli-apps, but it should be. i think it's on the TODO on the wiki [01:19] directhex: yeah I know [01:19] * ajmitch is in Uploaders for that still [01:20] http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/TODO [01:20] I know, I was looking at that :) [01:20] and wondering why things like pnet would still be on there [01:20] seems you're ahead of me [01:20] which is good, since it's gone 1am and i'm sleepy [01:22] ajmitch, i have no idea who cares about pnet. it's not me! [01:22] last upstream release was 18 months ago, it barely supports any C# 2.0 features, let alone a complete set of libraries for 1.0 [01:26] ah, pnet's gone in debian. you'd have to ask meebey if he wants it resurrected [01:26] #debian-mono on oftc. anyway, BEDTIME [01:28] pnet has also been killed here, too [01:29] * ajmitch doesn't see much point in maintaining it again unless it were to magically become useful [02:56] * slangasek blinks at bug #1687 [02:56] Launchpad bug 1687 in nedit "NEdit doesn't work support UTF" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1687 [02:57] "A powerful, customizable Motif based text editor" -- that doesn't work with modern charsets and has to be shipped in multiverse? [02:57] slangasek: yes, crimsun has been trawling through a number of old bugs, it seems === nhandler_ is now known as nhandler === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [06:17] Hi. How do we deal with removal request? It needs a FFe? (for Bug #283348 and other broken kde3 packages) [06:17] Launchpad bug 283348 in kerry "[Package Removal Request] kerry - remove from Intrepid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283348 [06:18] It needs approval by a MOTU, but not an FFe. [06:19] fabrice_sp: For KDE3 stuff, ask in #kubuntu-devel [06:27] ScottK: While you're around, should wlassistant die too? [06:28] StevenK: Dunno. [06:28] ScottK: It's Depends on kicker [06:28] s/'s// [06:28] kicker is fairly obsolete now, right? [06:29] I'd guess, but it's past 1:30 AM here and I'm doing $WORK financial reports so my brain is totally mush at the moment. [06:29] poor chap [06:29] It has a KDE 4 version now. [06:32] Hm [06:32] * StevenK digs for the wireless device [06:34] StevenK: Feel free to beat up on nixternal for KDE answers. He's an hour behind me, so he should be fresh and ready to help. [06:34] good morning [06:46] morning [07:12] Hi. I try to do sync request using requestsync tool, but it gets: The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/p/python-rope/current/changelog.txt was not found on this server. error [08:33] Hello, I found that usplash-theme-ubuntume needs to be rebuilt so that it would work on Intreipd [08:33] what should I do ? [08:35] AnAnt: Make a new no-change-rebuild upload? [08:35] RAOF: upload to revu ? [08:35] RAOF: or file a bug & a debdiff ? [08:35] A bug, certainly. A debdiff? Maybe. [08:36] A rebuild definitely fixes it? [08:37] how do I do this rebuild upload then ? [08:37] Well, you ask a MOTU :) [08:38] So, in what way is it broken, and how do I test that the rebuild fixes it? [08:39] RAOF: well, I found that usplash-theme-ubuntu in their last changelog, said that they changed nothing, just rebuilt against new usplash [08:39] RAOF: and that usplash-theme-ubuntume does not work, if I type: sudo usplash, I get an error message that there is no usable usplash (that's when the usplash-artwork.so alternative points to the ubuntume usplash theme) [08:40] AnAnt: And just a rebulid makes that work? [08:40] RAOF: yeah, I just rebuilt on my machine now, and it worked [08:41] RAOF: it's because the THEME_VERSION got bumped in the new usplash [08:41] OK. So, file a bug with that information, and someone whose internet isn't capped at 64kbit/sec will test & upload a no-change rebuild. [08:42] new gnash is cool [08:42] So cool it actually works? [08:43] youtube works on it ! [08:45] erm [08:45] wait, that wasn't gnash [08:45] Swfdec? [08:47] no, I it was flashplugin-nonfree, I forgot to update the alternatives ! [08:47] now testing gnash [08:47] AnAnt: I'm using gnash to watch youtube [08:47] gnash doesn't do the "maximise the window" thing for me [08:47] AnAnt: it works at least as well as proprietary flash did. [08:47] other than that it's looking great [08:48] what about seeking? [08:48] works [08:48] on amd64 [08:48] can you open an flv with standalone gnash ? [08:53] ? [08:53] well, it doesn't work AT ALL here with youtube ! [08:56] Look. Which key is used to sing binary archives in my ppa? [08:56] sign [08:58] nullie: A minor [08:58] minor? [08:58] nullie: key & sing [08:58] :) [09:52] james_w: morning! Yes, I disabled the abiword import, and made all the code that uses it a dead codepath so it's a minimal patch. If you prefer I can make the dead code commented out, but I have tested it. === ara_ is now known as ara [10:33] morgs: no, that's fine, thanks, just making sure. [10:33] cool [10:34] morgs: congrats on 8.2.0! [10:35] jsgotangco: thanks, I'm happy to take credit even though I only did a little bit of it :) === asac_ is now known as asac [11:39] morgs: uploaded, thank you [11:40] james_w: thanks! [12:19] nellery: hey, are you around? [12:38] hi folks [12:39] hey sistpoty|work [12:39] hi james_w [12:44] huhu sistpoty|work :) [12:44] hi sebner [12:44] someone messed up the xserver-common package dependency. [12:45] sistpoty|work: nothing with 3 months of vacation. I'll start working again for one month :\ [12:45] oh [12:45] xephyr-xnest doesn't want to upgrade because xserver-common is uninstallable, xserver-xorg-core conflicts and replaces xserver-common [12:48] sistpoty|work: and later to the military. *sarcasm* WUHU */sarcasm* ^^ [12:48] heh [12:49] james_w: there's a "later" target? cool [12:49] yeah [12:49] not sure how long it's been around === _stink__ is now known as _stink_ === stefanlsd_ is now known as stefanlsd === ara_ is now known as ara [13:44] hello [13:52] bug #242572 would need a sponsor [13:52] Launchpad bug 242572 in wxsvg "[Sync request] Upgrade wxsvg package to b11" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242572 [14:03] james_w: I'm considering filing a removal request for sugar-write-activity, since it is uninstallable (and it was in hardy, too) - see bug 219358 [14:03] Launchpad bug 219358 in sugar-write-activity "Package has unresolved dependancies" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219358 [14:06] morgs: python-abiword is a separate source that we don't have, it's not in the abiword package or anything? [14:06] (yeah, should have asked this for the last one) [14:07] james_w: abiword is not packaged modularly in Ubuntu - it is in a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive) but not in intrepid itself. [14:08] So we would need abiword to be built with libabiword and pyabiword [14:09] morgs: yeah, if we don't have python-abiword and the python interface isn't in any other packages then kick it [14:34] morgs: removal requested, thanks [14:36] siretart: are you around? [14:38] Heya gang [14:39] hi bddebian [14:40] Hi sistpoty|work [14:57] stefanlsd: yes [14:57] hey bddebian, hi sistpoty|work! [14:57] hi siretart [14:58] Heya siretart [14:59] siretart: hi. I wonder if you can help me. Im trying to do some work in the hardy branch of mplayer - but it says its not pushed yet - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mplayer [15:08] stefanlsd: hm. I'd assume that the guys in #launchpad can help you better than me here [15:08] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu-hardy looks broken [15:09] siretart: ok. thanks. i will try them. I just cant test the pushing. [15:14] siretart: would it be possible to delete it and recreate it? [15:23] stefanlsd: launchpad offers renaming branches [15:23] I haven't found the 'delete' button yet [15:24] siretart: aah. its def there. if you click on the branch, next to the name is a little 'no entry sign' [15:25] siretart: i can see it on my own branches (maybe you must be registered owner though) === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:27] maybe superm1 can help with that though... ^ [15:27] stefanlsd, with what? [15:28] superm1: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu-hardy [15:28] hum that looks pretty broke. [15:28] superm1: i want to do a security fix into hardy branch - and wanted to use lp bzr of it. Dont suppose you can delete branch repush hardy into it [15:29] stefanlsd, i'm not sure i still have the branch locally [15:29] i'd be glad to delete it though :) [15:29] superm1: hehe. maybe we just need to extract source from mplayer hardy and push it? [15:30] that would be rather unfortunate if that is what we had to do [15:30] lose the history and such [15:31] superm1: mm. there is no history at the moment though? maybe take the gutsy code and step it back to hardy equiv? [15:33] stefanlsd, you know wgrant may have the branch to repush [15:33] i'm not sure what wuld have happened to the hardy branch though [15:33] stefanlsd, if wgrant doesn't however, then that's probably a solution [15:33] superm1: cool. can you delete it for now, i'll ask wgrant if he has the source to push it again. [15:33] sure [15:37] superm1: thanks for the help! [15:37] no problem stefanlsd . sorry, wish I could be more helpful. :) [16:08] <\sh> does someone work on flashplayer-nonfree 10 final? [16:09] #ubuntu-mozillateam [16:20] dholbach: do you know of some way to close all the tasks of bug 283543 at once? [16:20] Launchpad bug 283543 in knetload "archive removal request: wlassistant is uninstallable due to kicker being dropped" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283543 [16:20] apachelogger: Riddell just asked the same on #ubuntu-devel [16:20] and I said "hang on" :) [16:20] ^_^ [16:28] wow, my screen doesn't flickr anymore with gksudo :P [16:34] rainct, we can fix that if you want :P [16:35] ogra: no, but you could fix GNOME so that I can start it :) [16:36] (*flicker) [17:11] Guys... REVU has a "Import from PPA" feature now (based upon a branch NCommander did some time ago. and don't search for it, it's not visible in the UI yet, but it's on revu.ubuntuwire.com/import.py). [17:11] hello there [17:12] The text there currently says that non-reviewers can only import packages that have been succesfully build on i386, but this isn't implemented yet. Do you think we want that? :P [17:12] hi crevette === cprov is now known as cprov-lunch [17:23] hello rainct [17:34] * sistpoty|work decides to call it a day and go into the cine [17:35] +ma [17:35] cya === Czessi_ is now known as Czessi === cprov-lunch is now known as cprov === geser_ is now known as geser === ogra_ is now known as ogra [19:40] Hi. I get the second ack for FFe on Bug #242572. So I only need a motu now! james_w? :-) [19:40] Launchpad bug 242572 in wxsvg "[Sync request] Upgrade wxsvg package to b11" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/242572 [19:40] I'm just looking [19:40] you haven't merged the changelog correctly [19:40] I can do that if there are no other problems [19:42] james_w: are you using the last debdiff? (wxsvg.debdiff) [19:43] It seems ok in the debdiff [19:44] fabrice_sp_: yeah, but it doesn't merge the [19:44] them [19:44] you drop all the Ubuntu entries [19:45] james_w: ahhh, I know what happened: I began again from debian package.... [19:46] um.. is there debian policy for adding/removing sections in .conf files? I want to add a section in access.conf and time.conf files that my program will handle [19:47] access.conf and time.conf? What owns those? [19:47] linuxpam-modules [19:47] /etc/security/access.conf and /etc/security/time.conf [19:48] sorry, libpam-modules :) [19:49] they are conffiles of that package [19:49] that means you are not allowed to modify them automatically from the package [19:49] depending on what you want to do there may be a way to do it though [19:49] fabrice_sp_: building while I go eat [19:49] ok [19:49] CU later [19:50] well, as it is, I'm using sed and grep to add to those conf files [19:50] in your .postinst? [19:50] yes, .postinst and .postrm :) [19:51] james_w: debdiff attached for bug 282883 [19:51] Launchpad bug 282883 in sugar-web-activity "Browse activity does not start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282883 [19:51] morgs: I'll look a little later, thanks [19:51] james_w: OK, np, thanks [19:52] the scripts post/pre inst/rm work pretty well actually, but I was wondering if there's an alternative or.. "cleaner" solution to this :) [19:57] the lintian is a great tool by the way, helped me solve most of my packaging glitches hehe === geser_ is now known as geser === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp === Juli__ is now known as Juli_ [20:51] Is there any way to get the aluminum ubuntu stickers anymore? [20:51] I remember buying them in the past and I lost them... [20:52] james_w: ping [20:52] MTeck: see if you can find any here - https://shop.canonical.com/ [20:53] hey lfaraone [20:54] slytherin: nope :( [20:56] james_w: morgs fixed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-web-activity/+bug/282883 , debdiff attached. [20:56] Launchpad bug 282883 in sugar-web-activity "Browse activity does not start" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:56] lfaraone: yes, I'm subscribed and he already pointed it out, thanks [20:57] I don't need three notifications for every fix [20:57] geser: Can you please take care of bug 267816 and eventually bug 268538 [20:57] Launchpad bug 267816 in cglib2.1 "Please move to universe" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/267816 [20:57] Launchpad bug 268538 in libxstream-java "Please move package to universe" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268538 [20:57] james_w: heh, sorry. [20:58] slytherin: any other ideas where to get one. I know I bought the last set and buying more doesn't bother me [20:58] MTeck: No idea. Sorry. [20:58] james_w: woult it be possible to get python-abiword in intrepid by running it through the new package process, or as a patch to the existign abiword package? ( per bug 219358) [20:58] Launchpad bug 219358 in sugar-write-activity "Please remove sugar-write-activity from Intrepid" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/219358 [20:59] lfaraone: it is possible yes, I don't know what's involved [20:59] it's also very very late for that sort of thing [21:00] james_w: sorry about this... [21:00] lfaraone: is there any sort of changelog or news file for this hulahop update? [21:00] james_w: we already have it working in a PPA. (abiword) [21:00] * lfaraone looks [21:02] habtool: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=0c66f17035d5fb47241032e93e59b413aa6d3937;hb=34d5cf579710dc9187e713d0696fd168005c512d [21:02] * james_w [21:04] james_w: thanks for wxsvg sync request! [21:05] james_w: (I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for) [21:06] lfaraone: I want to know what's in this new upstream release that I've been asked to upload [21:11] How is it possible that a package fails but if I remove stripping in debian/rules, to have bdebug info, it works?! [21:11] (for Bug #283762) [21:11] Launchpad bug 283762 in openmovieeditor "Does not recognize unstripped video packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283762 [21:12] I'm getting a coredump with the stripped version of openmovieeditor [21:15] james_w: well, it's in the NEWS file that I linked to you. [21:15] lfaraone: no, that's way out of date [21:15] lfaraone: I dug through git though [21:17] james_w: ah. (uh, that link is from 9/11/08, and is the latest release... 0.4.6) [21:17] james_w: (nvm) [21:18] lfaraone: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=history;f=NEWS;h=0c66f17035d5fb47241032e93e59b413aa6d3937;hb=HEAD [21:18] the file hasn't been edited for a year [21:19] james_w: good point. :) [21:19] lfaraone: where do I download tarballs from? I need the 0.4.6 tarball [21:19] * lfaraone greps... [21:23] james_w: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/hulahop/hulahop-0.4.6.tar.bz2 === ajmitch_ is now known as ajmitch [21:23] thanks [21:27] slytherin: can try to take care of those bug (I'm rather busy currently) [21:28] slytherin: the bug for cglib2.1 looks it needs to be only thrown at an archive admin. Or do I miss something? [21:29] geser: no, you are right [21:29] geser: I just thought I should go through the usual confirmation by motu process. [21:33] slytherin: you are pointing out an archive glitch which doesn't need IMHO an ACK from a motu (the source got already moved to universe but not the binaries yet) [21:33] geser: Ok. So I will simply mark it confirmed and bug someone on #ubuntu-devel [21:34] slytherin: I will add a new comment for libxstream-java once cglib2.1 gets resolved [21:34] Ok. [21:34] slytherin: yes [21:35] slytherin: perhaps you have luck and my first ACK for libxstream-java gets still accepted [21:35] hmm [21:46] I have sort of a weird problem with a .desktop file, "dpkg -L timekpr" shows the file /usr/share/applications/timekpr.desktop is included, but it's not actually installed there: "ls: cannot access /usr/share/applications/timekpr.desktop: No such file or directory" [21:47] I'm using "%:(new line)dh $@" in the rules [21:49] ah wait lol, my bad, I had it remove some files and i included it by accident :) [22:08] stefanlsd, re bug 275122, I think you should apply your changes directly to your security fixes since -security uploads don't include {-updates,-proposed} fixes [22:08] Launchpad bug 275122 in wordnet "[SRU] wordnet 1:3.0-2 in Gutsy was not built with debian/patches applied as intended." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/275122 [22:09] DktrKranz, stefanlsd: actually, -security updates pull from -updates [22:09] jdstrand, -security updates are built on top of -updates? [22:10] so if there is a package in -security, and a newer one in -updates, the next -security update will use the -updates one [22:10] ah, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the update [22:10] DktrKranz: it is an imperfect system, but it solves more problems than it causes, and the justification is that if it went into -updates, it is proven [22:12] I should also mention that if there is a -proposed package when a -security update comes out, it's corresponding bug should get a comment saying it needs to be respun with the added -security update fixes [22:13] it should be re-merged, clear [22:15] jdstrand, would you accept such change included in a -security upload, or do you prefer to process it as a SRU? [22:16] DktrKranz: without knowing the specifics, -security is not a way around SRU (ie we don't put non-security fixes into a -security update) [22:17] DktrKranz: so if there is SRU material and -security material, either it all goes into -proposed for SRU, or there are two packages created [22:17] one for -security (with security fixes only), and one to -proposed for SRU (that has it all) [22:18] which will eventually supercede -security assuming all goes well === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville === fta_ is now known as fta [23:45] omg, upstream just decided to convert ALL their sources to CRLF line terminators. This is a VCS nightmare, considering we have heavy source modifications.. What do I do? Keep the CRLFs or produce a .orig tarball that is not "orig" at all, with everything converted back to unix? [23:48] I'd keep them. What a pain. [23:49] crimsun: yep, bazaar is giving me tons of nonsense conflicts..