[00:27] <Laney> crimsun: Yes - re: that sound bug
[00:27] <Laney> Unless there's been an update in the last day
[00:51] <Niike|home> newbie question, what language are mostly used when programming in Ubuntu?
[00:51] <directhex> purely for ubuntu? python is the language of choice
[00:52] <Niike|home> well.. I guess you can use all different languages, but C# is the wrong aproach since its kind of Microsoft's development language right?
[00:53] <directhex> i wouldn't say that
[00:53] <RAOF> Heh.  Wrong person, there :)
[00:53] <directhex> given windows is mostly written in C or C++
[00:53]  * ajmitch wouldn't say that to someone who looks after mono packages :)
[00:53] <directhex> C# is an international standard
[00:53] <directhex> ajmitch, i'm even in Uploaders now
[00:54] <Niike|home> ah ok ...
[00:54] <ajmitch> directhex: well done
[00:54] <RAOF> The mono stack is a nice development environment, even if the gtk# bindings aren't thread-safe (damn them all the way to Hades!)
[00:54] <directhex> RAOF, neither is GTK+ generally!
[00:54]  * ajmitch appears to not be in pkg-mono or pkg-cli-*
[00:54] <RAOF> directhex: That's no excuse!  The Java bindings are thread-safe!
[00:55] <directhex> RAOF, by wrapping all the calls into the mainloop?
[00:55] <RAOF> I believe by setting gtk_threads_enter/leave to use a Java-managed recursive lock, and just aquiring that lock for all calls.
[00:55] <directhex> ajmitch, are you actively working on any pkg-mono or pkg-cli-* package? i know the svn ACLs get cleaned up periodically
[00:55] <ajmitch> directhex: no, not at the moment
[00:56] <ajmitch> though I ought to get back into it
[00:56] <ajmitch> I'm sure meebey would be overjoyed to see me back...
[00:56] <directhex> warning: irc lacks the <sarcasm> tags used by more advanced protocols
[00:56] <directhex> assuming that's sarcasm. I CAN'T TELL!
[00:57] <Niike|home> directhex: but since I have recently started with a C# programming class, I would like to get my programming skills working for both operating systems, developement for Ubuntu (or linux) would still be used mainly with python?
[00:57] <directhex> Niike|home, well, there are major desktop apps for linux written with c#
[00:57] <RAOF> Niike|home: You can use whatever language you like; there are plenty of C# apps to contribute to.
[00:57] <directhex> Niike|home, ubuntu ships 2 of them in the default install
[00:58] <Niike|home> ok! instead of .exe apps it uses? :S
[00:58] <directhex> Niike|home, the same
[00:58] <ajmitch> the .exe suffux is still there, just hidden by wrappers :)
[00:58] <directhex> Niike|home, mono is a CLI framework, just like Microsoft.NET. it uses the same file types and extensions
[00:59] <directhex> Niike|home, i.e. a well-written CIL app compiled on linux will run on windows or mac, and vice versa
[00:59] <Niike|home> aah ok! made it somewhat easier to understand the difference! :)
[01:00] <Niike|home> so a CLI written app would hence be more powerfull than one written purely for .NET? Or can linux, mac etc use .NET apps just as good as Windows?
[01:00] <directhex> a picture says a thousand words, right?
[01:01] <Niike|home> hrmm.. yea!?
[01:02]  * ajmitch thinks directhex is probably digging up a diagram to explain it
[01:02] <RAOF> Niike|home: .NET is an implementation of the CLI, but it also has a bunch of Windows-specific frameworks available.  If you don't use the windows-specific stuff, a .NET app is essentially indistinguishable from a Mono app.
[01:02] <directhex> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-gtk-01.png is the app i've been working on for a few years for my employers. it's 100% C#, written on amd64 ubuntu, using GTK# for the GUI, and Mono.Addins for the plugin architecture, plus MonoCurses for the text mode
[01:02] <ajmitch> as a side note, many of those windows-specific bits can be used with mono as well, like System.Windows.Forms
[01:02] <directhex> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-win32-01.png is the exact same app (i.e. the same .exe and .dll files copied and pasted) running on 32-bit vista, using Microsoft.NET. it uses the same technologies - GTK#, Mono.Addins
[01:02] <ajmitch> but others call into the win32 API still
[01:03] <directhex> http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-macos-01.png is the exact same app on Mono 1.9.1 on Mac OS 10.5. same tech, same app
[01:03] <ajmitch> directhex: oxford-specific stuff, is it?
[01:04] <directhex> ajmitch, well, only because i didn't make most of the strings modifiable. if you run the same openldap schema as me, it should work fine
[01:04] <ajmitch> looks like something that could possibly be useful
[01:04] <Niike|home> aah nice explanation there directhex! :)
[01:05] <directhex> for completeness, http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/wp-content/gallery/00-single/osctool3-ncurses-04.png is what you get if you don't have the ability to run X apps (i.e. DISPLAY is null or empty), thanks to MonoCurses
[01:05] <Niike|home> RAOF: aa thank you for your explanation too! :)
[01:05] <directhex> i think i'm the second user of MonoCurses for a real-world app, and i had to modify the source to add new widgets to it :)
[01:06] <ajmitch> doing rm -rf ~/Mail/ubuntu-bugs/ is taking a very, very long time
[01:07]  * ajmitch thinks there were about 500k messages in there :)
[01:09] <Niike|home> ok now I think ive learnt something very usefull today! :)
[01:12] <Niike|home> im planning to setup HTPC computer and use any kind of unix. I choose Ubuntu-desktop and when im on it, want a NAS to be installed on it. to hold all my 100th HD movies. Would ubuntu be a wise choice?
[01:12] <directhex> it would not be an unwise choice
[01:14] <directhex> The Debian External Health System (a.k.a. DEHS) has found a new upstream version
[01:14] <directhex>  of the package mono in the unstable distribution.
[01:14] <directhex> The current package version is 1.9.1+dfsg-4 and latest by upstream is 2.0.
[01:14] <directhex> thanks, DEHS. no shit!
[01:14] <Niike|home> yea just confirming that. And until I get a hang of the whole unix architecture in compare with windows i'm thinking about VMware to use a virtual ubuntu installation.. that would work fine yes?
[01:15] <directhex> on the understanding that performance would suck, and you couldn't do media things, yes
[01:17] <Niike|home> damn, ok! so a dual boot is my only choice when using media? or buy that HTPC and try it from there?
[01:17]  * ajmitch wonders if ironpython could be updated in sid
[01:17] <directhex> your call. but media playback, fr'example, is unaccelerated inside vmware
[01:18] <Niike|home> aa well.. ill look into it tomorrow. thanks for the help!
[01:18] <directhex> ajmitch, oh, we missed that. ipy is not part of pkg-cli-apps, but it should be. i think it's on the TODO on the wiki
[01:19] <ajmitch> directhex: yeah I know
[01:19]  * ajmitch is in Uploaders for that still
[01:20] <directhex> http://wiki.debian.org/Teams/DebianMonoGroup/TODO
[01:20] <ajmitch> I know, I was looking at that :)
[01:20] <ajmitch> and wondering why things like pnet would still be on there
[01:20] <directhex> seems you're ahead of me
[01:20] <directhex> which is good, since it's gone 1am and i'm sleepy
[01:22] <directhex> ajmitch, i have no idea who cares about pnet. it's not me!
[01:22] <ajmitch> last upstream release was 18 months ago, it barely supports any C# 2.0 features, let alone a complete set of libraries for 1.0
[01:26] <directhex> ah, pnet's gone in debian. you'd have to ask meebey if he wants it resurrected
[01:26] <directhex> #debian-mono on oftc. anyway, BEDTIME
[01:28] <StevenK> pnet has also been killed here, too
[01:29]  * ajmitch doesn't see much point in maintaining it again unless it were to magically become useful
[02:56]  * slangasek blinks at bug #1687
[02:57] <slangasek> "A powerful, customizable Motif based text editor" -- that doesn't work with modern charsets and has to be shipped in multiverse?
[02:57] <ajmitch> slangasek: yes, crimsun has been trawling through a  number of old bugs, it seems
[06:17] <fabrice_sp> Hi. How do we deal with removal request? It needs a FFe? (for Bug #283348 and other broken kde3 packages)
[06:18] <ScottK> It needs approval by a MOTU, but not an FFe.
[06:19] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: For KDE3 stuff, ask in #kubuntu-devel
[06:27] <StevenK> ScottK: While you're around, should wlassistant die too?
[06:28] <ScottK> StevenK: Dunno.
[06:28] <StevenK> ScottK: It's Depends on kicker
[06:28] <StevenK> s/'s//
[06:28] <ajmitch> kicker is fairly obsolete now, right?
[06:29] <ScottK> I'd guess, but it's past 1:30 AM here and I'm doing $WORK financial reports so my brain is totally mush at the moment.
[06:29] <ajmitch> poor chap
[06:29] <ScottK> It has a KDE 4 version now.
[06:32] <StevenK> Hm
[06:32]  * StevenK digs for the wireless device
[06:34] <ScottK> StevenK: Feel free to beat up on nixternal for KDE answers.  He's an hour behind me, so he should be fresh and ready to help.
[06:34] <dholbach> good morning
[06:46] <didrocks> morning
[07:12] <nullie> Hi. I try to do sync request using requestsync tool, but it gets: The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/p/python-rope/current/changelog.txt was not found on this server. error
[08:33] <AnAnt> Hello, I found that usplash-theme-ubuntume needs to be rebuilt so that it would work on Intreipd
[08:33] <AnAnt> what should I do ?
[08:35] <RAOF> AnAnt: Make a new no-change-rebuild upload?
[08:35] <AnAnt> RAOF: upload to revu ?
[08:35] <AnAnt> RAOF: or file a bug & a debdiff ?
[08:35] <RAOF> A bug, certainly.  A debdiff?  Maybe.
[08:36] <RAOF> A rebuild definitely fixes it?
[08:37] <AnAnt> how do I do this rebuild upload then ?
[08:37] <RAOF> Well, you ask a MOTU :)
[08:38] <RAOF> So, in what way is it broken, and how do I test that the rebuild fixes it?
[08:39] <AnAnt> RAOF: well, I found that usplash-theme-ubuntu in their last changelog, said that they changed nothing, just rebuilt against new usplash
[08:39] <AnAnt> RAOF: and that usplash-theme-ubuntume does not work, if I type: sudo usplash, I get an error message that there is no usable usplash (that's when the usplash-artwork.so alternative points to the ubuntume usplash theme)
[08:40] <RAOF> AnAnt: And just a rebulid makes that work?
[08:40] <AnAnt> RAOF: yeah, I just rebuilt on my machine now, and it worked
[08:41] <AnAnt> RAOF: it's because the THEME_VERSION got bumped in the new usplash
[08:41] <RAOF> OK.  So, file a bug with that information, and someone whose internet isn't capped at 64kbit/sec will test & upload a no-change rebuild.
[08:42] <AnAnt> new gnash is cool
[08:42] <RAOF> So cool it actually works?
[08:43] <AnAnt> youtube works on it !
[08:45] <AnAnt> erm
[08:45] <AnAnt> wait, that wasn't gnash
[08:45] <RAOF> Swfdec?
[08:47] <AnAnt> no, I it was flashplugin-nonfree, I forgot to update the alternatives !
[08:47] <AnAnt> now testing gnash
[08:47] <jml> AnAnt: I'm using gnash to watch youtube
[08:47] <dholbach> gnash doesn't do the "maximise the window" thing for me
[08:47] <jml> AnAnt: it works at least as well as proprietary flash did.
[08:47] <dholbach> other than that it's looking great
[08:48] <hagabaka> what about seeking?
[08:48] <dholbach> works
[08:48] <dholbach> on amd64
[08:48] <AnAnt> can you open an flv with standalone gnash ?
[08:53] <AnAnt> ?
[08:53] <AnAnt> well, it doesn't work AT ALL here with youtube !
[08:56] <nullie> Look. Which key is used to sing binary archives in my ppa?
[08:56] <nullie> sign
[08:58] <AnAnt> nullie: A minor
[08:58] <nullie> minor?
[08:58] <AnAnt> nullie: key & sing
[08:58] <nullie> :)
[09:52] <morgs> james_w: morning! Yes, I disabled the abiword import, and made all the code that uses it a dead codepath so it's a minimal patch. If you prefer I can make the dead code commented out, but I have tested it.
[10:33] <james_w> morgs: no, that's fine, thanks, just making sure.
[10:33] <morgs> cool
[10:34] <jsgotangco> morgs: congrats on 8.2.0!
[10:35] <morgs> jsgotangco: thanks, I'm happy to take credit even though I only did a little bit of it :)
[11:39] <james_w> morgs: uploaded, thank you
[11:40] <morgs> james_w: thanks!
[12:19] <james_w> nellery: hey, are you around?
[12:38] <sistpoty|work> hi folks
[12:39] <james_w> hey sistpoty|work
[12:39] <sistpoty|work> hi james_w
[12:44] <sebner> huhu sistpoty|work :)
[12:44] <sistpoty|work> hi sebner
[12:44] <slavik> someone messed up the xserver-common package dependency.
[12:45] <sebner> sistpoty|work: nothing with 3 months of vacation. I'll start working again for one month :\
[12:45] <sistpoty|work> oh
[12:45] <slavik> xephyr-xnest doesn't want to upgrade because xserver-common is uninstallable, xserver-xorg-core conflicts and replaces xserver-common
[12:48] <sebner> sistpoty|work: and later to the military. *sarcasm* WUHU */sarcasm* ^^
[12:48] <sistpoty|work> heh
[12:49] <sistpoty|work> james_w: there's a "later" target? cool
[12:49] <james_w> yeah
[12:49] <james_w> not sure how long it's been around
[13:44] <emgent> hello
[13:52] <sistpoty|work> bug #242572 would need a sponsor
[14:03] <morgs> james_w: I'm considering filing a removal request for sugar-write-activity, since it is uninstallable (and it was in hardy, too) - see bug 219358
[14:06] <james_w> morgs: python-abiword is a separate source that we don't have, it's not in the abiword package or anything?
[14:06] <james_w> (yeah, should have asked this for the last one)
[14:07] <morgs> james_w: abiword is not packaged modularly in Ubuntu - it is in a PPA (https://launchpad.net/~sugarteam/+archive) but not in intrepid itself.
[14:08] <morgs> So we would need abiword to be built with libabiword and pyabiword
[14:09] <james_w> morgs: yeah, if we don't have python-abiword and the python interface isn't in any other packages then kick it
[14:34] <james_w> morgs: removal requested, thanks
[14:36] <stefanlsd> siretart: are you around?
[14:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[14:39] <sistpoty|work> hi bddebian
[14:40] <bddebian> Hi sistpoty|work
[14:57] <siretart> stefanlsd: yes
[14:57] <siretart> hey bddebian, hi sistpoty|work!
[14:57] <sistpoty|work> hi siretart
[14:58] <bddebian> Heya siretart
[14:59] <stefanlsd> siretart: hi. I wonder if you can help me. Im trying to do some work in the hardy branch of mplayer - but it says its not pushed yet - https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mplayer
[15:08] <siretart> stefanlsd: hm. I'd assume that the guys in #launchpad can help you better than me here
[15:08] <siretart> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu-hardy looks broken
[15:09] <stefanlsd> siretart: ok. thanks. i will try them. I just cant test the pushing.
[15:14] <stefanlsd> siretart: would it be possible to delete it and recreate it?
[15:23] <siretart> stefanlsd: launchpad offers renaming branches
[15:23] <siretart> I haven't found the 'delete' button yet
[15:24] <stefanlsd> siretart: aah. its def there. if you click on the branch, next to the name is a little  'no entry sign'
[15:25] <stefanlsd> siretart: i can see it on my own branches (maybe you must be registered owner though)
[15:27] <stefanlsd> maybe superm1 can help with that though... ^
[15:27] <superm1> stefanlsd, with what?
[15:28] <stefanlsd> superm1: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu-hardy
[15:28] <superm1> hum that looks pretty broke.
[15:28] <stefanlsd> superm1: i want to do a security fix into hardy branch - and wanted to use lp bzr of it.  Dont suppose you can delete branch repush hardy into it
[15:29] <superm1> stefanlsd, i'm not sure i still have the branch locally
[15:29] <superm1> i'd be glad to delete it though :)
[15:29] <stefanlsd> superm1: hehe.  maybe we just need to extract source from mplayer hardy and push it?
[15:30] <superm1> that would be rather unfortunate if that is what we had to do
[15:30] <superm1> lose the history and such
[15:31] <stefanlsd> superm1: mm. there is no history at the moment though? maybe take the gutsy code and step it back to hardy equiv?
[15:33] <superm1> stefanlsd, you know wgrant may have the branch to repush
[15:33] <superm1> i'm not sure what wuld have happened to the hardy branch though
[15:33] <superm1> stefanlsd, if wgrant doesn't however, then that's probably a solution
[15:33] <stefanlsd> superm1: cool. can you delete it for now, i'll ask wgrant if he has the source to push it again.
[15:33] <superm1> sure
[15:37] <stefanlsd> superm1: thanks for the help!
[15:37] <superm1> no problem stefanlsd .  sorry, wish I could be more helpful. :)
[16:08] <\sh> does someone work on flashplayer-nonfree 10 final?
[16:09] <directhex> #ubuntu-mozillateam
[16:20] <apachelogger> dholbach: do you know of some way to close all the tasks of bug 283543 at once?
[16:20] <dholbach> apachelogger: Riddell just asked the same on #ubuntu-devel
[16:20] <dholbach> and I said "hang on" :)
[16:20] <apachelogger> ^_^
[16:28] <rainct> wow, my screen doesn't flickr anymore with gksudo :P
[16:34] <ogra> rainct, we can fix that if you want :P
[16:35] <rainct> ogra: no, but you could fix GNOME so that I can start it :)
[16:36] <rainct> (*flicker)
[17:11] <rainct> Guys... REVU has a "Import from PPA" feature now (based upon a branch NCommander did some time ago. and don't search for it, it's not visible in the UI yet, but it's on revu.ubuntuwire.com/import.py).
[17:11] <crevette> hello there
[17:12] <rainct> The text there currently says that non-reviewers can only import packages that have been succesfully build on i386, but this isn't implemented yet. Do you think we want that? :P
[17:12] <rainct> hi crevette
[17:23] <crevette> hello rainct
[17:34]  * sistpoty|work decides to call it a day and go into the cine
[17:35] <sistpoty|work> +ma
[17:35] <sistpoty|work> cya
[19:40] <fabrice_sp_> Hi. I get the second ack for FFe on Bug #242572. So I only need a motu now! james_w? :-)
[19:40] <james_w> I'm just looking
[19:40] <james_w> you haven't merged the changelog correctly
[19:40] <james_w> I can do that if there are no other problems
[19:42] <fabrice_sp_> james_w: are you using the last debdiff? (wxsvg.debdiff)
[19:43] <fabrice_sp_> It seems ok in the debdiff
[19:44] <james_w> fabrice_sp_: yeah, but it doesn't merge the
[19:44] <james_w> them
[19:44] <james_w> you drop all the Ubuntu entries
[19:45] <fabrice_sp_> james_w: ahhh, I know what happened: I began again from debian package....
[19:46] <savvas0> um.. is there debian policy for adding/removing sections in .conf files? I want to add a section in access.conf and time.conf files that my program will handle
[19:47] <james_w> access.conf and time.conf? What owns those?
[19:47] <savvas0> linuxpam-modules
[19:47] <savvas0> /etc/security/access.conf and /etc/security/time.conf
[19:48] <savvas0> sorry,  libpam-modules :)
[19:49] <james_w> they are conffiles of that package
[19:49] <james_w> that means you are not allowed to modify them automatically from the package
[19:49] <james_w> depending on what you want to do there may be a way to do it though
[19:49] <james_w> fabrice_sp_: building while I go eat
[19:49] <fabrice_sp_> ok
[19:49] <fabrice_sp_> CU later
[19:50] <savvas0> well, as it is, I'm using sed and grep to add to those conf files
[19:50] <james_w> in your .postinst?
[19:50] <savvas0> yes, .postinst and .postrm :)
[19:51] <morgs> james_w: debdiff attached for bug 282883
[19:51] <james_w> morgs: I'll look a little later, thanks
[19:51] <morgs> james_w: OK, np, thanks
[19:52] <savvas0> the scripts post/pre inst/rm work pretty well actually, but I was wondering if there's an alternative or.. "cleaner" solution to this :)
[19:57] <savvas0> the lintian is a great tool by the way, helped me solve most of my packaging glitches hehe
[20:51] <MTeck> Is there any way to get the aluminum ubuntu stickers anymore?
[20:51] <MTeck> I remember buying them in the past and I lost them...
[20:52] <lfaraone> james_w: ping
[20:52] <slytherin> MTeck: see if you can find any here - https://shop.canonical.com/
[20:53] <james_w> hey lfaraone
[20:54] <MTeck> slytherin: nope :(
[20:56] <lfaraone> james_w: morgs fixed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sugar-web-activity/+bug/282883 , debdiff attached.
[20:56] <james_w> lfaraone: yes, I'm subscribed and he already pointed it out, thanks
[20:57] <james_w> I don't need three notifications for every fix
[20:57] <slytherin> geser: Can you please take care of bug 267816 and eventually bug 268538
[20:57] <lfaraone> james_w: heh, sorry.
[20:58] <MTeck> slytherin: any other ideas where to get one. I know I bought the last set and buying more doesn't bother me
[20:58] <slytherin> MTeck: No idea. Sorry.
[20:58] <lfaraone> james_w: woult it be possible to get python-abiword in intrepid by running it through the new package process, or as a patch to the existign abiword package?  ( per bug 219358)
[20:59] <james_w> lfaraone: it is possible yes, I don't know what's involved
[20:59] <james_w> it's also very very late for that sort of thing
[21:00] <lfaraone> james_w: sorry about this...
[21:00] <james_w> lfaraone: is there any sort of changelog or news file for this hulahop update?
[21:00] <lfaraone> james_w: we already have it working in a PPA. (abiword)
[21:00]  * lfaraone looks
[21:02] <lfaraone> habtool: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=blob;f=NEWS;h=0c66f17035d5fb47241032e93e59b413aa6d3937;hb=34d5cf579710dc9187e713d0696fd168005c512d
[21:02] <lfaraone> * james_w
[21:04] <fabrice_sp> james_w: thanks  for wxsvg sync request!
[21:05] <lfaraone> james_w: (I'm not sure if that's what you're looking for)
[21:06] <james_w> lfaraone: I want to know what's in this new upstream release that I've been asked to upload
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> How is it possible that a package fails but if I remove stripping in debian/rules, to have bdebug info, it works?!
[21:11] <fabrice_sp> (for Bug #283762)
[21:12] <fabrice_sp> I'm getting a coredump with the stripped version of openmovieeditor
[21:15] <lfaraone> james_w: well, it's in the NEWS file that I linked to you.
[21:15] <james_w> lfaraone: no, that's way out of date
[21:15] <james_w> lfaraone: I dug through git though
[21:17] <lfaraone> james_w: ah.  (uh, that link is from 9/11/08, and is the latest release... 0.4.6)
[21:17] <lfaraone> james_w: (nvm)
[21:18] <james_w> lfaraone: http://dev.laptop.org/git?p=projects/hulahop;a=history;f=NEWS;h=0c66f17035d5fb47241032e93e59b413aa6d3937;hb=HEAD
[21:18] <james_w> the file hasn't been edited for a year
[21:19] <lfaraone> james_w: good point. :)
[21:19] <james_w> lfaraone: where do I download tarballs from? I need the 0.4.6 tarball
[21:19]  * lfaraone greps...
[21:23] <lfaraone> james_w: http://dev.laptop.org/pub/sugar/sources/hulahop/hulahop-0.4.6.tar.bz2
[21:23] <james_w> thanks
[21:27] <geser> slytherin: can try to take care of those bug (I'm rather busy currently)
[21:28] <geser> slytherin: the bug for cglib2.1 looks it needs to be only thrown at an archive admin. Or do I miss something?
[21:29] <slytherin> geser: no, you are right
[21:29] <slytherin> geser: I just thought I should go through the usual confirmation by motu process.
[21:33] <geser> slytherin: you are pointing out an archive glitch which doesn't need IMHO an ACK from a motu (the source got already moved to universe but not the binaries yet)
[21:33] <slytherin> geser: Ok. So I will simply mark it confirmed and bug someone on #ubuntu-devel
[21:34] <geser> slytherin: I will add a new comment for libxstream-java once cglib2.1 gets resolved
[21:34] <slytherin> Ok.
[21:34] <geser> slytherin: yes
[21:35] <geser> slytherin: perhaps you have luck and my first ACK for libxstream-java gets still accepted
[21:35] <slytherin> hmm
[21:46] <savvas0> I have sort of a weird problem with a .desktop file, "dpkg -L timekpr" shows the file /usr/share/applications/timekpr.desktop is included, but it's not actually installed there: "ls: cannot access /usr/share/applications/timekpr.desktop: No such file or directory"
[21:47] <savvas0> I'm using "%:(new line)dh $@" in the rules
[21:49] <savvas0> ah wait lol, my bad, I had it remove some files and i included it by accident :)
[22:08] <DktrKranz> stefanlsd, re bug 275122, I think you should apply your changes directly to your security fixes since -security uploads don't include {-updates,-proposed} fixes
[22:09] <jdstrand> DktrKranz, stefanlsd: actually, -security updates pull from -updates
[22:09] <DktrKranz> jdstrand, -security updates are built on top of -updates?
[22:10] <jdstrand> so if there is a package in -security, and a newer one in -updates, the next -security update will use the -updates one
[22:10] <DktrKranz> ah, I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the update
[22:10] <jdstrand> DktrKranz: it is an imperfect system, but it solves more problems than it causes, and the justification is that if it went into -updates, it is proven
[22:12] <jdstrand> I should also mention that if there is a -proposed package when a -security update comes out, it's corresponding bug should get a comment saying it needs to be respun with the added -security update fixes
[22:13] <DktrKranz> it should be re-merged, clear
[22:15] <DktrKranz> jdstrand, would you accept such change included in a -security upload, or do you prefer to process it as a SRU?
[22:16] <jdstrand> DktrKranz: without knowing the specifics, -security is not a way around SRU (ie we don't put non-security fixes into a -security update)
[22:17] <jdstrand> DktrKranz: so if there is SRU material and -security material, either it all goes into -proposed for SRU, or there are two packages created
[22:17] <jdstrand> one for -security (with security fixes only), and one to -proposed for SRU (that has it all)
[22:18] <jdstrand> which will eventually supercede -security assuming all goes well
[23:45] <ma10> omg, upstream just decided to convert ALL their sources to CRLF line terminators. This is a VCS nightmare, considering we have heavy source modifications.. What do I do? Keep the CRLFs or produce a .orig tarball that is not "orig" at all, with everything converted back to unix?
[23:48] <crimsun> I'd keep them.  What a pain.
[23:49] <ma10> crimsun: yep, bazaar is giving me tons of nonsense conflicts..