[02:17] asac : ping [02:19] saivann: hi. i am about to drop out :) [02:19] saivann: will you be here later today? [02:19] asac : I should be there yes :) [02:20] asac : It was about network-manager? [02:20] saivann: yeah. actually i wonder, whether you collected the ubufox translations in hardy :/? [02:20] or if you even talked to me about that a week or twoo ago :) [02:21] asac : I was the one who collected the ubufox translations yes, rosetta is still not working for ubufox I guess? :P [02:21] well. i failed to enable it because noone could give me feedback how to do that ;) [02:21] asac : Oh, bad :) [02:21] and because i didnt push hard enough i guess ;) [02:22] asac : Do you want me to collect translations for intrepid? [02:22] saivann: anyway. the rescue plan is to look which translations i can get immediately [02:22] saivann: e.g. by directly pinging people i know that speak the language [02:22] and sending out a general request for the rest / or all [02:23] i added new string to separate files [02:23] so basically the files that need to be translated are: [02:23] asac : Just open a bug report so people can attach their translations and I will create a branch including all these translations, if that's what you need [02:23] ubufox-alt.dtd, ubufox-alt.properties, ubufox-restart.properties [02:24] saivann: yeah. can you send the mail to the translators mailing list? [02:25] asac : I'm not a member of ubuntu translator team so I can send the mail, but without guarantee that it will be delivered.. [02:27] asac : But I can send a message to all translation mailing list for all languages [02:28] asac : I think that it's what we did with hardy [02:30] saivann: bug 283517 [02:30] Launchpad bug 283517 in ubufox "ubufox 0.6 lacks translations for new strings" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283517 [02:31] saivann: yes. please to all languages and also if there exists a general list send it there [02:32] asac : I assigned the bug to myself, I will do as I did with Hardy [02:32] saivann: thanks a lot. i guess we only will have a week or so [02:32] i will ping a few directly tomorrow [02:33] for fi, es, pt (maybe), zh_TW hmm .. not sure what else ;) [02:33] asac : Thanks, and I will send a msg to all mailing list. your bug description is explicit, so I just hope that a lot of translators will answer in time :) [02:33] so at best send everywhere :) [02:33] yeah me too [02:36] asac : Found the general list! ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com [02:37] saivann: ok. if you need moderation there let me know i will ask someone tomorrow [02:38] asac : No, I'm subscribed on this list [02:38] saivann: also you dont need to ask for de (german) i already did that [02:38] ok even better [02:38] asac : Ok === bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray [07:13] asac: after some tests, it seems to work well :) [07:13] - With FF installed [07:13] - with FF removed, we got an error warning (normal, as we don't redirect stderr), but the script end without any error as intented: [07:13] Paramétrage de swfdec-mozilla (0.8.0-0ubuntu1) [07:13] ls: cannot access /usr/lib/firefox-3*/.autoreg: No such file or directory [07:14] (the warning is not bad to my opinion) [07:14] As a hint, I went throuh bash manual and even in set -e, in a loop (or simply, in a test), a command that will not exist as 0 will not make the shell abort. So, the || true is useless in this case. [07:14] The only thing is that I didn't get warned not having a flash player installed (tested in youtube) and I didn't find swfdec nor gnash in the ubufox add-ons === Moot2 is now known as MootBot [09:20] can someone on intrepid use uname -a and tell me if the time and date are correct [09:22] that date is not the time as on the clock, but the date the kernel was built [09:39] ah ok thanks [09:42] fta: can we drop http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/3.1b2pre/whatsnew/ from loading on startup? its a 404 error atleast until it is released or atleast fix the page to use a correct page if there is [09:43] we can drop it. but it would be better if moz could provide that page [09:43] [reed], ^^ [09:43] <[reed]> yeah, well [09:44] <[reed]> I haven't decided what I want [09:44] <[reed]> that's actually my call ;) [09:44] <[reed]> as to if that page is there or not [09:46] that page should work once 3.1 is released as i recall from other FF versions once releaased it works [09:46] it works for all milestones [09:46] a1, a2, b1, b2, final [09:46] not for *pre [09:51] what do the red bugs mean on mozilla bug tracker? [10:02] 200 bugs and not one of them is about the error when loading. [10:21] hi [10:21] final countdown :) [10:22] gnomefreak: red bugs? i think those ar ethe one deemed critical/severe [10:22] (if you refer to the color of the title on the bug list page) [10:22] asac: yep [10:23] would be nice if i could find the timezone db in sunbird [10:24] didrocks: please upgrade everything ... then go to a flash side that doesnt use the flash detection kit [10:24] gnomefreak: isnt that shipped in sunbird itself? or do you mean a web address? [10:24] (timezone db) [10:24] asac: than they left it out [10:24] i need to make sure its not there [10:26] to be exact 05:16 doesn't it only show up if the timezone db is missing? [10:31] no... let me try to remember the few last important tasks i wanted to finish ;) [10:31] k ;) [10:32] im unpacking source to look for it [10:34] crimsun: wanna prepare final flash? [10:34] http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/download.cgi?P1_Prod_Version=ShockwaveFlash&P2_Platform=Linux [10:35] we also need a final nspluginwrapper bump to 1.1.2 [10:40] asac, i can do flash [10:40] flash should be very easy to update i can do it if he doesnt but nspluginwrapper is another story [10:41] fta2: wanna try nspluginwrapper too? we have a upsream/.debian branch [10:41] and tarbball is upstream ;) [10:41] fta2: go ahead with flash [10:41] ok [10:42] fta2: let me file a bug [10:50] fta: bug 283673 [10:51] Launchpad bug 283673 in nspluginwrapper "FFe nspluginwrapper 1.1.2 for intrepid" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283673 [10:51] reconnect [10:51] 11:41 < fta2> ok [10:51] 11:42 < asac> fta2: let me file a bug [10:51] 11:43 -!- kaaloo1 [n=luis@trinity.pilango.com] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] [10:51] 11:44 < asac> fta2: bug 283669 [10:51] Launchpad bug 283669 in flashplugin-nonfree "FFe - final flash 10 for intrepid" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283669 [10:54] asac_, ok, thanks [10:55] i'll do that after lunch [10:55] fta2: i have no clue if i have the right to grant them. but since its really a mozilla thing i guess so ;) === asac_ is now known as asac [11:00] fta2: actually there is one major thing we might wanna look into [11:00] even though it scares me a bit and i am not sure if its too high risk [11:01] (flash) [11:01] ? [11:01] the actual binary should be linked to /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/ [11:01] which sounds simple, but since we have two different locations we cannot use dh_link [11:01] imo we should look into fixing the fact that flash has two different locations [11:02] by lets say making whatever binary is used available in /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer-arch.so [11:02] which would be a link to the i386 binary on 386 and to the npviewer thing on amd64 [11:02] would basically add a another link layer to the solution :( [11:03] first part of 2 questions for this error i found now for the 2nd why i look for ;) [11:04] asac: I will test that tonight [11:08] fta2: so what we currently have is: [11:08] /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [11:09] <= /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/flashplugin-alternative.so [11:09] and [11:09] /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [11:09] <= (loaded) /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so [11:09] <= /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/flashplugin-alternative.so [11:09] thats really ugly [11:09] i mean the alternative system surely shouldnt be used for doing arch dependent locations [11:10] and because of that ignorance we have the mess now [11:10] so the clean solution (please give better ideas if you have) would be: [11:10] /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [11:10] <= /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer-arch.so [11:10] <= /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/flashplugin-alternative.so [11:10] and [11:10] /usr/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer.so [11:11] <= (loaded) /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/npwrapper.libflashplayer.so [11:11] <= /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer-arch.so [11:11] <= /usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/flashplugin-alternative.so [11:12] (and) /var/lib/flashplugin-nonfree/libflashplayer-arch.so <= /usr/share/ubufox/plugins/libflashplayer.so [11:12] but i have the feeling that this kind of alternative shuffling will cause risk and frustration for some users [11:13] and we have no time to flash out usability glitches [11:13] hmm [11:13] so maybe we should keep everything as is and just add the -arch.so link and use it for the ubufox link ;) [11:13] ouch [11:14] at least that would give us low regression potential and we could avoid adding yet another arch dependent link :( [11:16] i will post that to another bug [11:20] fta2: bug 283687 [11:20] Launchpad bug 283687 in flashplugin-nonfree "flash installer package doesnt support ubufox" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283687 [11:23] * gnomefreak wonders why timezone failure causes it to not work at all (cant subscribe to calendar) [11:24] that would also explain why the view isnt changing [11:24] <[reed]> flash 10 has been released [11:25] <[reed]> somebody going to update ubuntu's package? [11:25] <[reed]> oh [11:25] yay ... thats what we are doing right now ;) [11:25] [reed]: fta is [11:25] <[reed]> ok :) [11:26] * gnomefreak going for smoke while i try to think why the XPI isnt being installed [11:26] nspluginwrapper 1.1.2 as well [11:26] [reed]: today is last day with open archive ;) [11:26] <[reed]> better hurry! [11:26] well reasonably open ;) [11:27] yeah. personally i would prefer to start working on jaunty next week ;) [11:27] (and doing some obligatory install tests) [11:27] but i have the feeling that that is not going to happen :) [11:27] asac: buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuumb! [11:28] armin76++ [11:28] armin76 += major_bumb; [11:30] at least i know about 2 NM bugs i would rather wanna fix before release ;) [11:38] saivann: thanks. we already have initial translation contributions ;) [11:38] nice [12:08] @time gmt [12:08] Current time in Etc/GMT: October 15 2008, 11:08:50 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 21 minutes [12:09] @time [12:09] Current time in Etc/UTC: October 15 2008, 11:09:02 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 20 minutes [12:09] @time gmt [12:09] Current time in Etc/GMT: October 15 2008, 11:09:05 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 20 minutes [12:09] ok so i was right. gmt==utc [12:14] @time central [12:14] Current time in Canada/Central: October 15 2008, 06:14:14 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 15 minutes [12:14] @time boston [12:14] Error: Unknown timezone: boston - Full list: http://tinyurl.com/4vyvp8 [12:14] @time US/Eastern [12:14] Current time in US/Eastern: October 15 2008, 07:14:42 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 15 minutes [12:14] asac, yes, GMT==UTC. [12:14] @time BST [12:14] Error: Unknown timezone: BST - Full list: http://tinyurl.com/4vyvp8 [12:14] ah [12:15] @time US/Central [12:15] Current time in US/Central: October 15 2008, 06:15:01 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 14 minutes [12:15] ok :) [12:15] @time Europe/London [12:15] Current time in Europe/London: October 15 2008, 12:15:20 - Next meeting: ubuntu-us-pa LoCo Team in 1 hour 14 minutes [12:15] directhex: tell that to americans ;) [12:15] (to some at least) [12:15] now, some would have you believe that greenwich mean time, measured at greenwich in london, is on a different timezone to, well, the rest of the country [12:16] those people are crack smokers [12:16] well gmt doesnt have DST [12:16] its always confusing when people say GMT, but mean london ;) [12:17] well, yes. GMT doesn't move, we just switch timezone to BST when we get bored [12:22] fta2: please ping me about final flash package polishing ;) [12:22] i will do lunch now [12:22] we ahve to add a bunch of Npp- headers [12:31] can someone be an absolute sweetheart & tell me i'f i'm getting my Npp- stuff right with http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-mono/moon/trunk/debian/control?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 ? [12:37] directhex: yeah. except that there are new fields [12:38] directhex: Xb-Npp-Description: [12:38] directhex: Xb-Npp-File: [12:38] asac, docs? [12:38] look at the gnash package or gecko-mplayer [12:38] directhex: no docs [12:38] they are too new [12:38] the -File thing should be a the file name of your plugin .so [12:39] and if the plugin .so is more than one file? [12:39] if you have multiple plugin .so it should be the common substring of all at best [12:39] directhex: more than one file?= [12:39] directhex: what matters is the file that gets linked to the "plugins" dir [12:39] otherfielws like libs/python etc. dont matter for this case [12:39] directhex: look at about:plugins [12:39] there is a filename [12:40] if your plugin shows up only once, use that filename [12:40] otherwise use a substring that matches all your plugin variants [12:40] like "mplayerplugin-in-" [12:40] which covers all mplayer plugins shipped in mozilla-mplayer [12:41] directhex: Description is a short one line description outlining the purpose [12:41] okay, and (here's a real edge case for you), if the plugin is split across more than one package? [12:41] directhex: for inspiration you can look at gnash of swfdec-mozilla or maybe mplayer-plug-in [12:41] directhex: well. i doubt that the plugin itself is spread out [12:41] directhex: maybe you have some dependency packages or something [12:42] what counts here is the moonlight-plugin-mozilla [12:42] and the file that gets liked to xulrunner-addons/plugins [12:42] (and please link it to usr/share/ubufox/plugins too if we havent discussed that) [12:43] you haven't. and there's more complexity here than i think you were expecting [12:43] directhex: huh? [12:43] directhex: there is no complexity ;) [12:43] its just two fields :( [12:43] asac, yeah, but some plugins are more complex than others [12:43] directhex: i doubt that your package hits that [12:43] directhex: look. you only provide a single mime-type. that cant be complex [12:44] from the plugin point of view [12:44] directhex: so how many plugins show up in about:plugins? [12:44] asac: flash final is now out and in the new queue to change to the partner archive later. crazy isn't it? [12:44] sebner: err [12:44] who uploaded that? [12:45] asac: dunno. just saw it in the new queue recently [12:45] sebner: where is the new queue? [12:45] Asks the canoncial guy ^^ [12:45] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue [12:45] sebner: thats ok [12:46] well it's called adobe-flashplugin [12:46] sebner: its supposed to go there [12:46] asac: why? We have our own one [12:46] sebner: unfortunately its too late to make the -installer package in multiverse download that instead of the one from adobe website [12:46] sebner: the commercial archive is != multiverse [12:46] its independent [12:47] asac: sure but we already have flash so we don't need flash also if it's from adobe themselves [12:47] sebner: our flash package sucks [12:48] sebner: we need our own in partner archive. and then make our installer package get the .so from that archive instead of from adobe side [12:48] asac, hm, seems the plugin is working out stuff i wasn't expecting it to be able to. right. [12:48] asac: so the flash package from adobe is better than ours? why? [12:48] directhex: aloha btw :) [12:48] morning sebner [12:48] sebner: we dont have a flash package [12:48] well, afternoon [12:48] asac: because we are not allowed to [12:49] sebner: we have a installer package that breaks whenever adobe points their download link somewhere else [12:49] sebner: so now we distribute their package in our archive and that wont happen anymore [12:49] asac: but is their package (packaging) ok? [12:50] sebner: its the official packaging [12:50] sebner: they distribute the same from their website too [12:50] asac: does that mean with jaunty our flash package disappers from multiverse? [12:50] so putting that to partner wont make things worse. only improves the situation that we can better coordinate rolling out updates [12:50] asac, okay, you were right after all. so. question 1: can Xb-Npp-File: point to a different file than is contained in the package (i.e. one of its deps)? [12:51] sebner: you are always talkinga bout "flash" package ... we only have "installer" package. and no, the idea is to keep it [12:51] asac: kk ^^ [12:51] sebner: and my idea is to rename in adobe-flashplugin-installer [12:51] directhex: why? [12:51] directhex: why isnt the plugin .so not shipped in the -plugin package? [12:52] directhex: atm it doesnt matter if the file is really in the topmost package, but thats an implementation detail i wouldnt like to rely on [12:52] asac: ^^, but we update the *installer* package to the final of course? [12:52] anyway ... have to do lunch now [12:52] asac: hf [12:52] sebner: read the backlog of this channel [12:52] there was discussion about this [12:53] (earlier today) [12:53] asac: my backlog starts at 13 o'clock :\ [12:54] asac, moonlight has 2 components, the core plugin (which works in any browser, in theory) and a "bridge", required on a per-browser-engine basis for extra things like access to DOM. in this case, libmoonplugin-ff3bridge.so is automatically dlopen'd if the parent browser is xulrunner 1.9-based. so for the purposes of a firefox plugin, the "right" behaviour is for the moonlight-plugin-mozilla package to pull in the core plugin [12:54] as a dep, and contain only the bridge itself. other bridges, e.g. for webkit, will appear over time. [12:54] sebner: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/15/%23ubuntu-mozillateam.html [12:55] asac: ah ^^, thx [12:57] asac, so whilst the plugin as far as moz is concerned is libmoonloader.so, from the core package, in order for the plugin to actually work on that browser the package containing libmoonplugin-ff3bridge.so is needed (hence me wanting to depend on that file's package, even though it doesn't contain the actual plugin) [12:57] a merry dance! [12:58] asac: ah I understand. cool. btw, do you also sleep? I don't think so :P [13:10] asac, i can't find a direct link, just http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_10_linux.tar.gz but i don't like "current" [13:10] fta2: look in the queue [13:10] see a few lines above [13:10] we haveoh sorry [13:11] fta2: yeah. most likely the best link we have [13:11] for rc, we had http://download.macromedia.com/pub/labs/flashplayer10/flashplayer10_install_linux_091508.tar.gz [13:11] yeah [13:12] but once they bump it, the md5 will fail [13:12] adobe doesnt ship versioned links for finals [13:12] ok then [13:12] fta2: right. but it was always that way [13:12] we should do an SRU once the new flashplugin package is in partner archive [13:12] and get the .so from there [13:13] directhex: whatever. add the file that will show up [13:14] even ifi ts in a depend [13:14] asac, roger. [13:14] (though i dont like that archicture) [13:14] asac, okay, next question then. what is the *right* thing to do with dh_link? it sounds like i wasn't doing it right [13:14] asac, what should link where? [13:15] directhex: hmm [13:15] directhex: nevermind ;) [13:15] directhex: its not relevant because there are no "alternatives" [13:15] so just add those two meta fields [13:15] and all sohuld be fine [13:16] asac, so dh_link -pmoonlight-plugin-mozilla usr/lib/moon/plugin/libmoonloader.so $(XULRUNNER_19_PLUGDIR)/libmoonloader.so [13:17] assuming that XULRUNNER_19_PLUGDIR is correct that looks good [13:18] ifeq ($(DISTRO),"Ubuntu") [13:18] XULRUNNER_19_PLUGDIR = "usr/lib/xulrunner-addons/plugins" [13:18] looks good [13:19] making a merge patch just for the sake of one link seems silly [13:20] asac, i'm done with the bump (but i'm on the phone) [13:20] fta2 take your tinme. we still have ~12h ;) [13:21] fta2: did you do nspluginwrapper too? [13:21] no, but everything is possible :) [13:21] let me finish my meeting 1st [13:22] hehe [13:22] i like that idea [13:22] sure [13:22] i have a call in 1h ... after that i will do a bunch of things and then can help on this too [13:32] you've obviously got lots of spare time, so you can try a test build of this package if you like :) [13:33] spare time? [13:33] eating ;) [13:34] eating time is the opposite of spare time, because its one of the most principal survival operation modes ;) [13:34] directhex: try to get that package into fta archive [13:34] directhex: thats the place were the beyond-the-edge users live [13:35] fta? [13:35] directhex: once jaunty opens we will upload it then to real archive [13:35] directhex: yes mozillateam member here in hte channel: the great and glorious fta2 ;) [13:38] asac, once mono 2.0 lands in debian experimental, then i'll re-sculpt the package to add silverlight 2.0 support which i'm currently not building, and also add to experimental. for now, i could always shove it in my own hardy repo. [13:38] brb, kernel-update-reboot [13:40] what about my archive? [13:45] i return! [13:48] what about my archive? [13:58] fta2: i mentioned to directhex that a good stage to prepare archive upload is to get it first in your archive ;) [14:04] fta2: is bug 283080 fixed now or do we need to touch the branding branch still? [14:04] Launchpad bug 283080 in firefox-3.0 "Update Firefox for lpia to 3.0.1 (hardy)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283080 [14:05] asac, bug 274187 moved [14:05] Launchpad bug 274187 in ubuntu "FFe - firefox 3.1 and xulrunner 1.9.1 for intrepid/universe" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/274187 [14:09] replied [14:09] i think we shouldnt ship that in intrepid anymore [14:23] ok taking short break and then a call [14:58] asac, where is nspluginwrapper 1.1.2 tarball ? can't find it upstream [14:58] asac : Wow, we got a lot of translations for ubufox today. I'm reviewing them.. [15:31] got it [15:32] added moon to my personal repo, though obviously it doesn't show up in the plugin finder [15:35] fta2: let me check [15:35] asac, nm, i have it [15:35] fta2: http://gwenole.beauchesne.info/en/blog/2008/10/13/nspluginwrapper_1.1.2 [15:35] ok [15:36] yep, a blog :( [15:37] fta2: well. at least he has a mailing list now (sponsored by redhat) [15:37] and we look into getting his sources in some repo (which he only publishes as tarballs) [15:39] fta2: did i talk to you about the new Npp- thigns for plugsin? [15:39] you didn't [15:39] i'm all ears [15:40] fta2: we need to add Xb-Npp-Description: and Xb-Npp-File: [15:40] look at gnash or swfdec-mozilla [15:40] description should be a short line describint what it does [15:40] e.g. let me give you a screen [15:41] i already have: [15:41] Xb-Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a, aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115, [15:41] Xb-Npp-MimeType: application/x-shockwave-flash [15:41] Xb-Npp-Name: Adobe Flash Player (installer) [15:41] fta2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/pfs1.png [15:42] fta2: yes. new are -File and -Description [15:42] fta2: file is supposed the longest substring that identifies the plugin as what you see in about:plugins [15:42] i think libflashplayer.so is fine [15:42] but we should look if the npviewer thign also has that substring [15:44] fta2: http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/alt1.png [15:44] http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/alt2.png [15:44] File name: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so [15:44] thats why we need the -File ... otehrwise we cannot display a decent name in there [15:44] yeah. so libflashplayer.so is right [15:44] as its a proper substring for the amd thign too [15:47] ok, Xb-Npp-File: libflashplayer.so, what about Xb-Npp-Description ? [15:49] fta2: just Adobe Flash SWF Player (http://www.adobe.com) [15:50] asac : I need to know something about ubufox locales [15:51] asac : ubufox.properties often point to /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html [15:51] asac : /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html is a symlink. I'd like to know if that symlink always point to the right locale? [15:52] asac : Or do I need to change it for the appropriate one manually in the ubufox.properties file? Ex. /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/locales-ubuntu/index-fr_FR.html [15:54] saivann: which key points to that? [15:54] asac : app.update.url.details [15:54] is that the same for the en-US locale [15:54] asac : and browser.throbber.url [15:55] asac : so far, we used /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html for the en_US locale but I wonder if we should do this for all locales. That will depend if /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html always point to the right localised HTML page [16:01] asac, http://paste.ubuntu.com/57919/ [16:05] saivann: err. are you sure its still that path? and not about:blank= [16:06] saivann: ok. yeah. just keep them as they are [16:06] fta2: looks good. maybe see if there is a better short-url for the descriptin that is more "flash" sepecific [16:07] asac : So I can keep /usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html for all locales? [16:08] saivann: yes i think that should be ok [16:08] asac, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash but it's not up-to-date [16:09] sorry ... meeting :( [16:09] asac : Thanks for your answer [16:24] mozillateam, ten-HUT! i need clever ideas. [16:24] there's an ickle problem with using Npp- goodness in moonlight [16:25] you know how if you hit a youtube video without flash installed, rather than spawning the plugin finder, you get a javascript-triggered message linking you to adobe.com to download the plugin? [16:26] well, *all* silverlight has that behaviour. the standard SL embedding API involves a copy of a javascript file, Silverlight.js, which always draws an "install silverlight" button instead of trying to create the failing embedded object [16:38] directhex: mono uploaded 1 minute ago. nice work! [16:39] directhex: yeah its a mess [16:39] sebner, ah, cool. dholbach must've sponsored it, he had an eye on it this morning [16:39] directhex: you have to wait for the anti-plugin-detection kit [16:39] asac, so this is a known problem with planned workarounds? [16:39] directhex: which i have started to prototype at some point but couldnt finish in time for intrepid [16:40] directhex: this is ugly and an ugly hack is required yes. [16:40] directhex: we should talk about that after intrepid is out [16:40] currently have no time to go into details [16:40] yeah, no worries. you focus on release [16:40] according to sebner my intrepid release goals have been met ;) [16:40] except that we can notice if someone probes for a plugin and then trigger the "install missing plugins..." thign [16:41] directhex: hrhr [16:42] sebner, release goal: return some values from "zgrep directhex /usr/share/doc/*/changelog.debian.gz" on an out-of-box install :p [16:43] lol [16:43] goal met! [16:45] directhex: now you wait until the archives for jaunty open? ^^ [16:46] honestly? i don't explicitly need jaunty open to work on my current TODO. i need meebey to finish packaging mono 2 for debian experimental, and then i can start work on a big bucket of other stuff for experimental [16:47] i don't really need to worry too hard about jaunty until january. and hell, i may well keep hardy w/ my backports installed (i do all my building & testing on hardy) [16:48] hell, it doesn't even need to land in experimental, i just need it in svn [16:49] directhex: ^^ [16:49] but then i can update things like mono-basic (jaunty will be the first ubuntu with visual basic.net support), xsp/mod-mono, monodoc, all that jazz [16:50] my jaunty release goals are twofold: shrink mono's footprint on the install cd by 20 meg, and ship an unmodified debian mono [16:51] directhex: good luck then [17:25] asac, i'm done with both flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper. previews are in my ppa [17:29] fta2: Version: 10.0.12.36ubuntu1~fta1? [17:29] there is no Npp stuff in there? [17:29] ? [17:29] yes there is [17:30] not here :( [17:30] eh? [17:30] 10.0.12.10ubuntu1 [17:30] has Npp-Application,Name,MimeType [17:30] the one above has non ... at least in apt-cache show [17:33] fta@cube:~ $ wget -q https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Efta/+archive/+files/flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.12.36ubuntu1~fta1_i386.deb [17:33] fta@cube:~ $ dpkg --info flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.12.36ubuntu1~fta1_i386.deb | grep Npp [17:33] Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a, aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115 [17:33] Npp-Description: Adobe Flash SWF Player (http://www.adobe.com) [17:33] Npp-File: libflashplayer.so [17:33] Npp-Mimetype: application/x-shockwave-flash [17:33] Npp-Name: Adobe Flash Player (installer) [17:33] fta2: yeah. all fine ... please upload [17:33] and remember to push nspluginwrapper to the ~ubuntu-dev branches. thanks [17:33] done already [17:33] ok [17:33] fta2: oh wait [17:34] fta2: there is a trailing "," in the MimeType line? [17:34] err in the Applications line i mean [17:34] Xb-Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a, aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115, [17:34] was that in there before? [17:34] maybe we lost an entry or something? [17:34] fta@cube:~ $ dpkg --info flashplugin-nonfree_10.0.12.36ubuntu1~fta1_i386.deb | grep Npp-Applications [17:34] Npp-Applications: ec8030f7-c20a-464f-9b0e-13a3a9e97384, 92650c4d-4b8e-4d2a-b7eb-24ecf4f6b63a, aa5ca914-c309-495d-91cf-3141bbb04115 [17:34] fta@cube:~ $ [17:34] i didn't touch that line [17:34] ok [17:35] most likely itw as lost at some point [17:35] if the resultl ooksl ike that its fine [17:35] though we shoudl investigate at some point [17:35] i can remove it [17:35] for now just upload [17:35] yeah or do that [17:35] whatever you prefer [17:36] fixed and pushed [17:37] great [17:37] nspluginwrapper too [17:37] then there is not much left for us :/ [17:37] did you test it? [17:37] except the general "update extension meta data round" ... but i hope jazzva comes back soon :) [17:37] yes [17:37] briefly [17:39] so i should i push it or wait? [17:39] -i [17:41] subject: [ubuntu/intrepid] flashplugin-nonfree 10.0.12.36ubuntu1 (Accepted) [17:44] nspluginwrapper too pleas [17:46] done [17:58] subject: [ubuntu/intrepid] nspluginwrapper 1.1.2-0ubuntu1 (Accepted) [17:58] ok, leaving. cu later [19:16] asac, minor note r.e. http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/tmp/pfs1.png - "these plugins" - it installs all three of them? surely it should be "the selected plugin"? [19:19] directhex: yeah. maybe. but string freeze is up ;) [19:19] -_- [19:32] directhex: point is that the wizard can also do more than one mime-type at the same time [19:35] okay, so selected plugins! the text still says "select whatever, they is all goin' on" right now ;) [19:40] pheh. details ;) [19:40] we should change that after interpid [21:14] back [21:27] fta: do you remember when we opened up the maxVersion= in firefox? [21:27] was it 3.0.1? [21:27] or 3.0.2? [21:29] hm, 3.0.1 [21:48] asac : What is the deadline for ubufox translations? [21:50] asac: what do you mean by opened up? [21:51] for fixed versions to 3.0.* [21:52] -for-from [21:56] +binary-post-install/firefox-3.0:: [21:56] + sed -i -e 's/^MaxVersion=.*/MaxVersion=1.9.0.*/' debian/firefox-3.0/$(DEBIAN_FF3_DIR)/application.ini [21:56] + sed -i -e 's/^MinVersion=.*/MinVersion=1.9.0.1/' debian/firefox-3.0/$(DEBIAN_FF3_DIR)/application.ini [22:08] [reed], so, what about the release notes page? === fta_ is now known as fta [22:42] asac: what do you think about bug 283718? should I make that change? [22:42] Launchpad bug 283718 in flashplugin-nonfree "Installing adobe-flashplugin alongside flashplugin-nonfree fails" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283718 [22:45] hm, we can't add conflicts for all foreign packages, and i don't think we should [22:47] fta: absolutely agreed. However, the maintainer information for Adobe's official adobe-flashplugin package lists Ubuntu Core Developers (!) [22:47] bad, we should file a bug upstream [22:47] did someone from Adobe work with Canonical to get their package into main/restricted, or? [22:47] no idea [22:48] that's my hunch, at least, so I was a bit surprised [22:48] on the other hand, what we have is a known-upstream-package, so I perhaps we should Conflict with it? [22:49] E.g., it's not the same as any old "random" third-party deb [22:49] so perhaps ^ [22:56] yeah, maybe [22:56] asac, http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/calendar/2008/10/calendar_code_moving_to_commce.html [22:58] well, I'll post the debdiff, and you guys can decide to accept/ignore :-) [22:59] too bad i pushed flashplugin-nonfree just a few hours ago :( [22:59] i prefer grouped changes [23:00] eh, it always happens right before freeze on any project :-) [23:00] read my bug comment please [23:00] its a bug in the other package [23:01] ah, so perhaps adobe-flashplugin needs to C+R flashplugin-nonfree [23:03] a non-trivial number of users are going to install it via the upstream channel, so ... [23:05] i think only those who tracked upstream and complained about lack of final in intrepid did [23:06] so just the guys in the intrepid forum [23:06] at least one person blogged about upstream making a deb/apt-url available [23:07] oh well, the fires from this one won't be that big, and it's not difficult to work around [23:09] crimsun: the bug is that adobe-flashplugin does conflict flashplugin-nonfree ... which it just shouldnt do [23:10] the files in it dont conflict. and it uses the alternative system [23:10] so it should just work without that conflict [23:10] will try to get that bug to the flash packager [23:11] asac: ok [23:11] asac, http://gquigs.blogspot.com/2008/10/openoffice-30-not-in-intrepid.html [23:12] fta: i dont understand his 3.1 point. we do that [23:13] i think i mean to push all that to the archive [23:13] -i mean+he means [23:13] (i'm tired) [23:15] err. i think he said that we shouldnt wait till final is out, but include the version that will probably be final when we release [23:15] e.g. what we did for ffox 3.0 [23:15] (and got hit hard by that) [23:15] and what we will most likely to for 3.1 [23:15] i think his point is valid for 3.0. but nobody could really see whether 3.0 would be final [23:15] OOO [23:15] ^^ [23:15] ;) [23:15] not firefox 3.0 [23:17] http://paste.ubuntu.com/58077/ :) [23:22] ok, here it is: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-adobe-flash-player-10-in-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron.html [23:22] same guy who recommended ppa and various 3rd party repos [23:24] he clearly said "Remove your existing Flash plugin, if you have one installed" [23:25] fta, people do that. and sometimes third party repos make sense - unfortunately for the user, some repos are better than others [23:26] and there's no way to be sure [23:26] fta: well. thats the right thing if you want to install that package obviously [23:26] as the pacakage as of now conflicts on it [23:26] this would all just go away if Adobe used our package :-) [23:27] (obviously, adapted, not just a straight one-takeup) [23:27] \o/ Jazzva ;) [23:27] Evening... I'm back from my vacation (which was great :D) [23:27] \o/ asac [23:27] :P [23:27] What's new? [23:28] great. hope you enjoyed your vacation ;) [23:28] pretty much :) [23:28] anywhere fun? [23:28] directhex, boston and new york [23:28] was fun for me :) [23:28] asac, I also got a new computer, inspiron 1525 [23:29] so, anything new? something particular that needs some love? :) [23:30] Jazzva: great [23:30] good to have you back ;) [23:31] i will talk to you in 6 minutes ;) [23:31] ok :) [23:31] Jazzva, i have an inspiron 1525 too :) [23:32] the red one [23:32] i have the black one :) [23:32] the sticker "Rediscover the web" looks good on it's cover ;) [23:33] I have it too [23:33] now just to find an ubuntu logo, to put it in the oposite corner :) [23:33] the big sticker is too big. I think I'll just cut the logo from it, and put it on the cover. [23:33] plus a firefox, a lizzard, an ubuntu logo, etc.. [23:34] round ubuntu logo on top of the dell logo :) [23:34] I like stickers, but not randomly put... some order is needed :) [23:34] I don't have that big sticker :sigh: [23:39] Jazzva: hehe ;) [23:39] Jazzva: one thing that needs some love is as always the extension meta file ;) [23:39] e.g. as a last minute thing [23:39] for app-data? [23:40] yeah [23:40] sure, I'll put them up :) [23:40] unless this happens automagically it probably isnt done for this cycle ;) [23:40] Jazzva: ah. also we removed firefox 2 from the archive and the locales accordingly [23:40] was the bug with extensions not visible in app-install fixed? [23:40] Jazzva: didnt you prepare a list of extensions that dont work on ffox3? [23:40] Jazzva: i hope that was fixed [23:40] I have.. and it's located... somewhere [23:41] I'll have to look at the old computer [23:41] Jazzva: if you could test that we could do an emergency action in case thats not yet fixed ;) [23:41] but there is a script that checks for broken-deps (I think). It should be available at ubuntuwire, IIRC [23:41] asac: Ok, I'll check it [23:42] ah...that don't work on ff*3*. I think there are two of them [23:42] let me check the list [23:44] er, one only: diggler. I thinke nukeimage was also unsupported, but I see it was updated for ff3 by you ;) [23:45] diggler was merged from debian, but I don't see support for ff3 in it's changelog https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/diggler [23:45] ah, it's there... [23:46] I'll still test it, as the only change is to bump maxVersion in install.rdf [23:46] s/is/was/ [23:48] k. so all are now supported nice [23:48] Jazzva: maybe take a quick look when reviewing the app-install data stuff [23:49] mhm... [23:50] ok thats it for NM in intrepid i hope [23:50] only one routing bug left for which i dont know what to do [23:51] looks like we wills start into intrepid with 0.7~~svn20081015t024626 ;) [23:51] and 0.7~~svn20081015t194645 for applet :) [23:53] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 45669357 2008-08-14 00:32 ../tarballs/thunderbird-3.0_3.0~a2+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz [23:53] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 62556017 2008-10-16 00:16 ../tarballs/thunderbird-3.0_3.0~b1~hg20081015r619+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz [23:53] gasp [23:53] fta: yeah ;) go for in-source lzma i would say [23:53] everything else is just ridiculous [23:53] we would come close to OOO ... and thats a mess [23:53] 37% increase [23:54] that mozcentral-commcentral thing is the worse idea ever [23:58] lol, oo is ~197M [23:59] fta: i think 3.0 is half a gig