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travisivarthey can anyone point me to the latest iso for me to try out?05:08
charlie-tcaAre you looking for the daily image or the beta?05:10
travisivartthe beta would be great, i was suprised this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing didn't point directly to it... either that or i missed it05:11
charlie-tcaIt's probably because there is a new RC coming in a day or two. Here's the Beta05:13
charlie-tcahttp://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/beta/05:13
charlie-tcaKeep in mind, it's not really ready for production use yet05:13
travisivartthanks charlie-tca, yeah you don't have to worry about me getting a sour taste or anything, I know the implications of 'beta' especially when it comes to bleeding edge open source...05:14
charlie-tcaGreat! Have fun with it.05:14
travisivartthanks05:15
travisivartbesides, it takes lots of pain and bug reports to produce something good :-)05:15
travisivartcharlie-tca: hey uh, i noticed these are dvds, does ubuntu not do normal cds anymore? (it's not a problem at all... but I'm kinda curious, did we exceed what we can do with 700mb and squashfs ?)05:18
charlie-tcaYes, they do cd's, let me see if I can find them05:18
travisivartcharlie-tca: don'05:19
travisivartt worry about it, i'm fine with a dvd, i was more curious than anything05:20
charlie-tcaOnly thing I can find in cd is the daily image at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/05:20
travisivartah, well thanks :-)05:20
charlie-tcaI don't know what happened to the cd's05:20
charlie-tcaCould always ask in #ubuntu+105:20
travisivartsure thing05:22
termitorhello06:48
aramorning all!07:35
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davmor2Good Morning everyone10:21
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* ara -> lunch12:52
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* ara reboots13:50
schwukdavmor2: ping14:02
davmor2pong14:02
asacwill there be a new daily image today?14:22
persiaasac, Do you mean a second run?  Which image are you missing?14:23
asacpersia: i want an image that has the ubufox upload from yesterday night14:25
asac0.6~pre+bzr141-0ubuntu114:25
persiawhich version was that?14:25
persiaAt least intrepid-desktop-i386 has that version for the 20081015 image.14:27
asacpersia: do you have a link to that CD?14:27
persiaDo you want a different architecture or flavour?14:27
persiahttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso14:27
persiaReplace "current" with 20081015 if you want to use the link again tomorrow.14:27
asacpersia: ok thanks.14:50
mvosbeattie: the etckeeper you have installed, did you configure it in any way ? or is that just the default config?15:14
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davmor2asac: is there a backport of n-m0.7 for hardy?15:21
WillieWalkerHey all - we had some decent discussion about testing at the GNOME Boston 2008 summit.  Have you all centered on LDTP?  Have you considered other things such as StrongWind?15:32
asacdavmor2: yes. i am maintaining the backports in ~network-manager PPA15:36
asacdavmor2: just remember that i had to backport a bunch of other packages too15:36
asacbut those are made in such a way that upgrade to intrepid should work and shouldnt break anything else in hardy seriously15:36
asac(at least i hope)15:36
davmor2asac: So should that show up in the backports repo or do I need to do something else?15:38
asacdavmor2: subscribe to the network-mangaer PPA15:39
asaci wont do "official" uploads. thats left to the community15:39
asacthe network-manager PPA thign is used by a lot of community folks15:39
davmor2okay ta15:39
asacsometimes there is a bit of disruption but there were no hard issues for quite some time15:39
asacand i expect that to settle anyway now that NM 0.7 is final15:40
asacdavmor2: http://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive15:40
davmor2asac: thanks15:40
WillieWalkerdavmor2, asac: what are you guys using for testing (LDTP, Dogtail, StrongWind, etc.)?15:42
davmor2ldtp is mostly used15:42
WillieWalkerdavmor2: thanks!  Does it work well for you?  Have you considered other things like StrongWind?15:43
davmor2best off talking to ara:15:43
sbeattiemvo: just the default setup; it wasn't customized in any way.15:44
WillieWalkerdavmor2, ara: Thanks!.  In addition, is Ubuntu making its tests public?  (I'm coming at this from the point of view of a GNOME person trying to get better testing coverage for GNOME GUI's overall).15:44
araWillieWalker: hey! we are honoured for having you here :)15:44
araWillieWalker: we have started using LDTP, but creating a framework for Ubuntu on top of it15:46
WillieWalkerara: have you looked at StrongWind?  In addition, how far along are you?15:47
mvosbeattie: could you please restore the snapshot, run update-manager -d , when it asks you to do the upgrade cancel15:48
mvosbeattie: then "find /tmp -name "dist-upgrade.py" and go to that dir15:48
araWillieWalker: I have looked at Dogtail, not LDTP15:49
aranot Strongwing, sorry15:49
araWillieWalker: ^15:49
WillieWalkerara: no prob.  :-)  Can you tell me what the deciding factors were?  In addition, if a larger community effort were started, would Ubuntu be able to contribute/participate?15:50
mvosbeattie: then I think I would like to have a strace, but I'm not sure yet what options, because just "strace -f python dist-upgrade.py " will be a bit massive :)15:50
asacpersia: how long will the daily .iso be available at that location?15:51
araWillieWalker: We decided to go for LDTP instead of Dogtail, because the upstream project is quite active15:51
persiaasac, Until 2:00 or 3:00 BST : I forget the exact time.  After that, it will be replaced with 20081016 (assuming there is no issue building images).15:52
araWillieWalker: and definitely, we would love to participate in a larger effort15:52
asacpersia: err. i mean: how many days will we keep CDs?15:53
WillieWalkerara: if the larger effort was using StrongWind, what would your opinion be?  (I'm just asking right now.  Some people are kind of leaning to StrongWind, but no effort has started yet)15:53
araWillieWalker: our efforts are publicly available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation15:53
persiaasac, Oh, I think it's only two or three.  They get cleaned up fairly often to save space.15:53
asachmm15:54
araWillieWalker: then we would have to see who is involved and what the goals are, to see if it is worth to drop (or change) our ldtp efforts15:55
araWillieWalker: any logs of the GNOME summit testing discussions?15:56
araWillieWalker: presentations, docs...15:57
* heno waves to WillieWalker15:57
WillieWalkerara: thanks!15:57
WillieWalkerhey heno?15:57
WillieWalkerheno!15:57
WillieWalkerhenrik!15:58
henoWillieWalker: sorry I've not been very active in a11y channels lately15:58
WillieWalkerara: I wrote a blog entry about the accessibility stuff here: http://library.gnome.org/devel/references15:58
WillieWalkerara: ignore that...15:59
araWillieWalker: thanks15:59
henoI'm sure Luke is representing us well though15:59
WillieWalkerara: http://blogs.sun.com/wwalker/entry/gnome_boston_2008_way_great15:59
WillieWalkerheno: Luke is doing fine.  :-)15:59
mvosbeattie: hm, could you (instead of strace) try this patch and see if it fails with it (as it should): http://paste.ubuntu.com/57918/plain/ ?16:01
mvosbeattie: please snapshot it at this point, I may have more patches16:01
mvosbeattie: I have a followup patch for you as well, but I would like to get feedback on the first one first (I was not able to reproduce it here, but it might be because I need to install more packages)16:05
sbeattiemvo: okay, one minute'16:08
mvosbeattie: thanks16:09
sbeattiemvo: alright, snapshotted and patch applied.16:20
sbeattiemvo: how do I invoke the updater in here?16:20
mvosbeattie: just sudo ./intrepid16:21
mvosbeattie: or sudo python dist-upgrade.py16:21
mvoit should do the right thing(tm) from this point on16:21
sbeattiemvo: okay, what should I be looking for in the logfiles?16:48
mvosbeattie: hm, so with the patch there is no behavior change (i.e. it does not show a error now that something went wrong)?16:49
sbeattienope16:50
mvosbeattie: ok, how about this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/57939/plain/ ?16:52
sbeattiemvo: only difference is the added import on the signal module?16:54
mvosbeattie: and using it down in the child16:54
mvosbeattie: the other stuff (catching the exception can go away if it does not what I hoped it would do16:55
mvosbeattie: I'm setting up a VM currently with loads of packages and etckeeper, hopefully I can reproduce it here too so that the burden is not all on you16:55
mvosbeattie: I will be out for a bit, but I will read scrollback16:57
sbeattiemvo: okay16:58
sbeattiemvo: okay, it's throwing an error now; backtrace has it getting a bad file descriptor (EBADF) in logging/__init__'s stream_flush() call.17:08
mvosbeattie: could you please give me the full /var/log/dist-upgrade/* log please (mail is fine)?17:45
sbeattiemvo: sure, one sec.17:46
charlie-tcaI am testing the Xubuntu Intrepid daily-live cd. It just took 18 minutes to startup. What happened?17:55
mvosbeattie: thanks a lot for the updated logs!18:15
sbeattiemvo: hopefully they'll be useful. :-/18:16
mvosbeattie: they are, we are getting closer I thnk18:17
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mvosbeattie: yeah, I can reproduce it (and it seems to need exsessive amounts of packages to trigger it :)19:46
sbeattieheh19:46
mvoand I got a strace that confirms the SIGPIPE theory19:47
davmor2bdmurray: for bugs where there are no packages now can you not just use the won't fix like here Bug 3819219:53
bdmurraydavmor2: What would you rather happened?  The bug is not SRU worthy for dapper or feisty.19:57
davmor2bdmurray: I was thinking more for LP automation just add that the package has been dropped and add the won't fix tab?20:00
davmor2I was thinking about it after the call and thought I had a bug that fell into that category.  So tracked it down.20:03
davmor2right need to go now bye20:05
mvosbeattie: I think I uploaded a fix for the etckeeper issue, should be available tomorrow21:19
mvosbeattie: eh, or in 1-2h (tomorrow my time, its getting late here :)21:19
sbeattiecool, thanks! I'm happy to test fixes locally if you want.21:20
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