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travisivart | hey can anyone point me to the latest iso for me to try out? | 05:08 |
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charlie-tca | Are you looking for the daily image or the beta? | 05:10 |
travisivart | the beta would be great, i was suprised this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing didn't point directly to it... either that or i missed it | 05:11 |
charlie-tca | It's probably because there is a new RC coming in a day or two. Here's the Beta | 05:13 |
charlie-tca | http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/beta/ | 05:13 |
charlie-tca | Keep in mind, it's not really ready for production use yet | 05:13 |
travisivart | thanks charlie-tca, yeah you don't have to worry about me getting a sour taste or anything, I know the implications of 'beta' especially when it comes to bleeding edge open source... | 05:14 |
charlie-tca | Great! Have fun with it. | 05:14 |
travisivart | thanks | 05:15 |
travisivart | besides, it takes lots of pain and bug reports to produce something good :-) | 05:15 |
travisivart | charlie-tca: hey uh, i noticed these are dvds, does ubuntu not do normal cds anymore? (it's not a problem at all... but I'm kinda curious, did we exceed what we can do with 700mb and squashfs ?) | 05:18 |
charlie-tca | Yes, they do cd's, let me see if I can find them | 05:18 |
travisivart | charlie-tca: don' | 05:19 |
travisivart | t worry about it, i'm fine with a dvd, i was more curious than anything | 05:20 |
charlie-tca | Only thing I can find in cd is the daily image at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 05:20 |
travisivart | ah, well thanks :-) | 05:20 |
charlie-tca | I don't know what happened to the cd's | 05:20 |
charlie-tca | Could always ask in #ubuntu+1 | 05:20 |
travisivart | sure thing | 05:22 |
termitor | hello | 06:48 |
ara | morning all! | 07:35 |
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davmor2 | Good Morning everyone | 10:21 |
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* ara -> lunch | 12:52 | |
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* ara reboots | 13:50 | |
schwuk | davmor2: ping | 14:02 |
davmor2 | pong | 14:02 |
asac | will there be a new daily image today? | 14:22 |
persia | asac, Do you mean a second run? Which image are you missing? | 14:23 |
asac | persia: i want an image that has the ubufox upload from yesterday night | 14:25 |
asac | 0.6~pre+bzr141-0ubuntu1 | 14:25 |
persia | which version was that? | 14:25 |
persia | At least intrepid-desktop-i386 has that version for the 20081015 image. | 14:27 |
asac | persia: do you have a link to that CD? | 14:27 |
persia | Do you want a different architecture or flavour? | 14:27 |
persia | http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso | 14:27 |
persia | Replace "current" with 20081015 if you want to use the link again tomorrow. | 14:27 |
asac | persia: ok thanks. | 14:50 |
mvo | sbeattie: the etckeeper you have installed, did you configure it in any way ? or is that just the default config? | 15:14 |
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davmor2 | asac: is there a backport of n-m0.7 for hardy? | 15:21 |
WillieWalker | Hey all - we had some decent discussion about testing at the GNOME Boston 2008 summit. Have you all centered on LDTP? Have you considered other things such as StrongWind? | 15:32 |
asac | davmor2: yes. i am maintaining the backports in ~network-manager PPA | 15:36 |
asac | davmor2: just remember that i had to backport a bunch of other packages too | 15:36 |
asac | but those are made in such a way that upgrade to intrepid should work and shouldnt break anything else in hardy seriously | 15:36 |
asac | (at least i hope) | 15:36 |
davmor2 | asac: So should that show up in the backports repo or do I need to do something else? | 15:38 |
asac | davmor2: subscribe to the network-mangaer PPA | 15:39 |
asac | i wont do "official" uploads. thats left to the community | 15:39 |
asac | the network-manager PPA thign is used by a lot of community folks | 15:39 |
davmor2 | okay ta | 15:39 |
asac | sometimes there is a bit of disruption but there were no hard issues for quite some time | 15:39 |
asac | and i expect that to settle anyway now that NM 0.7 is final | 15:40 |
asac | davmor2: http://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive | 15:40 |
davmor2 | asac: thanks | 15:40 |
WillieWalker | davmor2, asac: what are you guys using for testing (LDTP, Dogtail, StrongWind, etc.)? | 15:42 |
davmor2 | ldtp is mostly used | 15:42 |
WillieWalker | davmor2: thanks! Does it work well for you? Have you considered other things like StrongWind? | 15:43 |
davmor2 | best off talking to ara: | 15:43 |
sbeattie | mvo: just the default setup; it wasn't customized in any way. | 15:44 |
WillieWalker | davmor2, ara: Thanks!. In addition, is Ubuntu making its tests public? (I'm coming at this from the point of view of a GNOME person trying to get better testing coverage for GNOME GUI's overall). | 15:44 |
ara | WillieWalker: hey! we are honoured for having you here :) | 15:44 |
ara | WillieWalker: we have started using LDTP, but creating a framework for Ubuntu on top of it | 15:46 |
WillieWalker | ara: have you looked at StrongWind? In addition, how far along are you? | 15:47 |
mvo | sbeattie: could you please restore the snapshot, run update-manager -d , when it asks you to do the upgrade cancel | 15:48 |
mvo | sbeattie: then "find /tmp -name "dist-upgrade.py" and go to that dir | 15:48 |
ara | WillieWalker: I have looked at Dogtail, not LDTP | 15:49 |
ara | not Strongwing, sorry | 15:49 |
ara | WillieWalker: ^ | 15:49 |
WillieWalker | ara: no prob. :-) Can you tell me what the deciding factors were? In addition, if a larger community effort were started, would Ubuntu be able to contribute/participate? | 15:50 |
mvo | sbeattie: then I think I would like to have a strace, but I'm not sure yet what options, because just "strace -f python dist-upgrade.py " will be a bit massive :) | 15:50 |
asac | persia: how long will the daily .iso be available at that location? | 15:51 |
ara | WillieWalker: We decided to go for LDTP instead of Dogtail, because the upstream project is quite active | 15:51 |
persia | asac, Until 2:00 or 3:00 BST : I forget the exact time. After that, it will be replaced with 20081016 (assuming there is no issue building images). | 15:52 |
ara | WillieWalker: and definitely, we would love to participate in a larger effort | 15:52 |
asac | persia: err. i mean: how many days will we keep CDs? | 15:53 |
WillieWalker | ara: if the larger effort was using StrongWind, what would your opinion be? (I'm just asking right now. Some people are kind of leaning to StrongWind, but no effort has started yet) | 15:53 |
ara | WillieWalker: our efforts are publicly available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation | 15:53 |
persia | asac, Oh, I think it's only two or three. They get cleaned up fairly often to save space. | 15:53 |
asac | hmm | 15:54 |
ara | WillieWalker: then we would have to see who is involved and what the goals are, to see if it is worth to drop (or change) our ldtp efforts | 15:55 |
ara | WillieWalker: any logs of the GNOME summit testing discussions? | 15:56 |
ara | WillieWalker: presentations, docs... | 15:57 |
* heno waves to WillieWalker | 15:57 | |
WillieWalker | ara: thanks! | 15:57 |
WillieWalker | hey heno? | 15:57 |
WillieWalker | heno! | 15:57 |
WillieWalker | henrik! | 15:58 |
heno | WillieWalker: sorry I've not been very active in a11y channels lately | 15:58 |
WillieWalker | ara: I wrote a blog entry about the accessibility stuff here: http://library.gnome.org/devel/references | 15:58 |
WillieWalker | ara: ignore that... | 15:59 |
ara | WillieWalker: thanks | 15:59 |
heno | I'm sure Luke is representing us well though | 15:59 |
WillieWalker | ara: http://blogs.sun.com/wwalker/entry/gnome_boston_2008_way_great | 15:59 |
WillieWalker | heno: Luke is doing fine. :-) | 15:59 |
mvo | sbeattie: hm, could you (instead of strace) try this patch and see if it fails with it (as it should): http://paste.ubuntu.com/57918/plain/ ? | 16:01 |
mvo | sbeattie: please snapshot it at this point, I may have more patches | 16:01 |
mvo | sbeattie: I have a followup patch for you as well, but I would like to get feedback on the first one first (I was not able to reproduce it here, but it might be because I need to install more packages) | 16:05 |
sbeattie | mvo: okay, one minute' | 16:08 |
mvo | sbeattie: thanks | 16:09 |
sbeattie | mvo: alright, snapshotted and patch applied. | 16:20 |
sbeattie | mvo: how do I invoke the updater in here? | 16:20 |
mvo | sbeattie: just sudo ./intrepid | 16:21 |
mvo | sbeattie: or sudo python dist-upgrade.py | 16:21 |
mvo | it should do the right thing(tm) from this point on | 16:21 |
sbeattie | mvo: okay, what should I be looking for in the logfiles? | 16:48 |
mvo | sbeattie: hm, so with the patch there is no behavior change (i.e. it does not show a error now that something went wrong)? | 16:49 |
sbeattie | nope | 16:50 |
mvo | sbeattie: ok, how about this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/57939/plain/ ? | 16:52 |
sbeattie | mvo: only difference is the added import on the signal module? | 16:54 |
mvo | sbeattie: and using it down in the child | 16:54 |
mvo | sbeattie: the other stuff (catching the exception can go away if it does not what I hoped it would do | 16:55 |
mvo | sbeattie: I'm setting up a VM currently with loads of packages and etckeeper, hopefully I can reproduce it here too so that the burden is not all on you | 16:55 |
mvo | sbeattie: I will be out for a bit, but I will read scrollback | 16:57 |
sbeattie | mvo: okay | 16:58 |
sbeattie | mvo: okay, it's throwing an error now; backtrace has it getting a bad file descriptor (EBADF) in logging/__init__'s stream_flush() call. | 17:08 |
mvo | sbeattie: could you please give me the full /var/log/dist-upgrade/* log please (mail is fine)? | 17:45 |
sbeattie | mvo: sure, one sec. | 17:46 |
charlie-tca | I am testing the Xubuntu Intrepid daily-live cd. It just took 18 minutes to startup. What happened? | 17:55 |
mvo | sbeattie: thanks a lot for the updated logs! | 18:15 |
sbeattie | mvo: hopefully they'll be useful. :-/ | 18:16 |
mvo | sbeattie: they are, we are getting closer I thnk | 18:17 |
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mvo | sbeattie: yeah, I can reproduce it (and it seems to need exsessive amounts of packages to trigger it :) | 19:46 |
sbeattie | heh | 19:46 |
mvo | and I got a strace that confirms the SIGPIPE theory | 19:47 |
davmor2 | bdmurray: for bugs where there are no packages now can you not just use the won't fix like here Bug 38192 | 19:53 |
bdmurray | davmor2: What would you rather happened? The bug is not SRU worthy for dapper or feisty. | 19:57 |
davmor2 | bdmurray: I was thinking more for LP automation just add that the package has been dropped and add the won't fix tab? | 20:00 |
davmor2 | I was thinking about it after the call and thought I had a bug that fell into that category. So tracked it down. | 20:03 |
davmor2 | right need to go now bye | 20:05 |
mvo | sbeattie: I think I uploaded a fix for the etckeeper issue, should be available tomorrow | 21:19 |
mvo | sbeattie: eh, or in 1-2h (tomorrow my time, its getting late here :) | 21:19 |
sbeattie | cool, thanks! I'm happy to test fixes locally if you want. | 21:20 |
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