[05:08] <travisivart> hey can anyone point me to the latest iso for me to try out?
[05:10] <charlie-tca> Are you looking for the daily image or the beta?
[05:11] <travisivart> the beta would be great, i was suprised this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing didn't point directly to it... either that or i missed it
[05:13] <charlie-tca> It's probably because there is a new RC coming in a day or two. Here's the Beta
[05:13] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/beta/
[05:13] <charlie-tca> Keep in mind, it's not really ready for production use yet
[05:14] <travisivart> thanks charlie-tca, yeah you don't have to worry about me getting a sour taste or anything, I know the implications of 'beta' especially when it comes to bleeding edge open source...
[05:14] <charlie-tca> Great! Have fun with it.
[05:15] <travisivart> thanks
[05:15] <travisivart> besides, it takes lots of pain and bug reports to produce something good :-)
[05:18] <travisivart> charlie-tca: hey uh, i noticed these are dvds, does ubuntu not do normal cds anymore? (it's not a problem at all... but I'm kinda curious, did we exceed what we can do with 700mb and squashfs ?)
[05:18] <charlie-tca> Yes, they do cd's, let me see if I can find them
[05:19] <travisivart> charlie-tca: don'
[05:20] <travisivart> t worry about it, i'm fine with a dvd, i was more curious than anything
[05:20] <charlie-tca> Only thing I can find in cd is the daily image at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[05:20] <travisivart> ah, well thanks :-)
[05:20] <charlie-tca> I don't know what happened to the cd's
[05:20] <charlie-tca> Could always ask in #ubuntu+1
[05:22] <travisivart> sure thing
[06:48] <termitor> hello
[07:35] <ara> morning all!
[10:21] <davmor2> Good Morning everyone
[12:52]  * ara -> lunch
[13:50]  * ara reboots
[14:02] <schwuk> davmor2: ping
[14:02] <davmor2> pong
[14:22] <asac> will there be a new daily image today?
[14:23] <persia> asac, Do you mean a second run?  Which image are you missing?
[14:25] <asac> persia: i want an image that has the ubufox upload from yesterday night
[14:25] <asac> 0.6~pre+bzr141-0ubuntu1
[14:25] <persia> which version was that?
[14:27] <persia> At least intrepid-desktop-i386 has that version for the 20081015 image.
[14:27] <asac> persia: do you have a link to that CD?
[14:27] <persia> Do you want a different architecture or flavour?
[14:27] <persia> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso
[14:27] <persia> Replace "current" with 20081015 if you want to use the link again tomorrow.
[14:50] <asac> persia: ok thanks.
[15:14] <mvo> sbeattie: the etckeeper you have installed, did you configure it in any way ? or is that just the default config?
[15:21] <davmor2> asac: is there a backport of n-m0.7 for hardy?
[15:32] <WillieWalker> Hey all - we had some decent discussion about testing at the GNOME Boston 2008 summit.  Have you all centered on LDTP?  Have you considered other things such as StrongWind?
[15:36] <asac> davmor2: yes. i am maintaining the backports in ~network-manager PPA
[15:36] <asac> davmor2: just remember that i had to backport a bunch of other packages too
[15:36] <asac> but those are made in such a way that upgrade to intrepid should work and shouldnt break anything else in hardy seriously
[15:36] <asac> (at least i hope)
[15:38] <davmor2> asac: So should that show up in the backports repo or do I need to do something else?
[15:39] <asac> davmor2: subscribe to the network-mangaer PPA
[15:39] <asac> i wont do "official" uploads. thats left to the community
[15:39] <asac> the network-manager PPA thign is used by a lot of community folks
[15:39] <davmor2> okay ta
[15:39] <asac> sometimes there is a bit of disruption but there were no hard issues for quite some time
[15:40] <asac> and i expect that to settle anyway now that NM 0.7 is final
[15:40] <asac> davmor2: http://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive
[15:40] <davmor2> asac: thanks
[15:42] <WillieWalker> davmor2, asac: what are you guys using for testing (LDTP, Dogtail, StrongWind, etc.)?
[15:42] <davmor2> ldtp is mostly used
[15:43] <WillieWalker> davmor2: thanks!  Does it work well for you?  Have you considered other things like StrongWind?
[15:43] <davmor2> best off talking to ara:
[15:44] <sbeattie> mvo: just the default setup; it wasn't customized in any way.
[15:44] <WillieWalker> davmor2, ara: Thanks!.  In addition, is Ubuntu making its tests public?  (I'm coming at this from the point of view of a GNOME person trying to get better testing coverage for GNOME GUI's overall).
[15:44] <ara> WillieWalker: hey! we are honoured for having you here :)
[15:46] <ara> WillieWalker: we have started using LDTP, but creating a framework for Ubuntu on top of it
[15:47] <WillieWalker> ara: have you looked at StrongWind?  In addition, how far along are you?
[15:48] <mvo> sbeattie: could you please restore the snapshot, run update-manager -d , when it asks you to do the upgrade cancel
[15:48] <mvo> sbeattie: then "find /tmp -name "dist-upgrade.py" and go to that dir
[15:49] <ara> WillieWalker: I have looked at Dogtail, not LDTP
[15:49] <ara> not Strongwing, sorry
[15:49] <ara> WillieWalker: ^
[15:50] <WillieWalker> ara: no prob.  :-)  Can you tell me what the deciding factors were?  In addition, if a larger community effort were started, would Ubuntu be able to contribute/participate?
[15:50] <mvo> sbeattie: then I think I would like to have a strace, but I'm not sure yet what options, because just "strace -f python dist-upgrade.py " will be a bit massive :)
[15:51] <asac> persia: how long will the daily .iso be available at that location?
[15:51] <ara> WillieWalker: We decided to go for LDTP instead of Dogtail, because the upstream project is quite active
[15:52] <persia> asac, Until 2:00 or 3:00 BST : I forget the exact time.  After that, it will be replaced with 20081016 (assuming there is no issue building images).
[15:52] <ara> WillieWalker: and definitely, we would love to participate in a larger effort
[15:53] <asac> persia: err. i mean: how many days will we keep CDs?
[15:53] <WillieWalker> ara: if the larger effort was using StrongWind, what would your opinion be?  (I'm just asking right now.  Some people are kind of leaning to StrongWind, but no effort has started yet)
[15:53] <ara> WillieWalker: our efforts are publicly available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation
[15:53] <persia> asac, Oh, I think it's only two or three.  They get cleaned up fairly often to save space.
[15:54] <asac> hmm
[15:55] <ara> WillieWalker: then we would have to see who is involved and what the goals are, to see if it is worth to drop (or change) our ldtp efforts
[15:56] <ara> WillieWalker: any logs of the GNOME summit testing discussions?
[15:57] <ara> WillieWalker: presentations, docs...
[15:57]  * heno waves to WillieWalker
[15:57] <WillieWalker> ara: thanks!
[15:57] <WillieWalker> hey heno?
[15:57] <WillieWalker> heno!
[15:58] <WillieWalker> henrik!
[15:58] <heno> WillieWalker: sorry I've not been very active in a11y channels lately
[15:58] <WillieWalker> ara: I wrote a blog entry about the accessibility stuff here: http://library.gnome.org/devel/references
[15:59] <WillieWalker> ara: ignore that...
[15:59] <ara> WillieWalker: thanks
[15:59] <heno> I'm sure Luke is representing us well though
[15:59] <WillieWalker> ara: http://blogs.sun.com/wwalker/entry/gnome_boston_2008_way_great
[15:59] <WillieWalker> heno: Luke is doing fine.  :-)
[16:01] <mvo> sbeattie: hm, could you (instead of strace) try this patch and see if it fails with it (as it should): http://paste.ubuntu.com/57918/plain/ ?
[16:01] <mvo> sbeattie: please snapshot it at this point, I may have more patches
[16:05] <mvo> sbeattie: I have a followup patch for you as well, but I would like to get feedback on the first one first (I was not able to reproduce it here, but it might be because I need to install more packages)
[16:08] <sbeattie> mvo: okay, one minute'
[16:09] <mvo> sbeattie: thanks
[16:20] <sbeattie> mvo: alright, snapshotted and patch applied.
[16:20] <sbeattie> mvo: how do I invoke the updater in here?
[16:21] <mvo> sbeattie: just sudo ./intrepid
[16:21] <mvo> sbeattie: or sudo python dist-upgrade.py
[16:21] <mvo> it should do the right thing(tm) from this point on
[16:48] <sbeattie> mvo: okay, what should I be looking for in the logfiles?
[16:49] <mvo> sbeattie: hm, so with the patch there is no behavior change (i.e. it does not show a error now that something went wrong)?
[16:50] <sbeattie> nope
[16:52] <mvo> sbeattie: ok, how about this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/57939/plain/ ?
[16:54] <sbeattie> mvo: only difference is the added import on the signal module?
[16:54] <mvo> sbeattie: and using it down in the child
[16:55] <mvo> sbeattie: the other stuff (catching the exception can go away if it does not what I hoped it would do
[16:55] <mvo> sbeattie: I'm setting up a VM currently with loads of packages and etckeeper, hopefully I can reproduce it here too so that the burden is not all on you
[16:57] <mvo> sbeattie: I will be out for a bit, but I will read scrollback
[16:58] <sbeattie> mvo: okay
[17:08] <sbeattie> mvo: okay, it's throwing an error now; backtrace has it getting a bad file descriptor (EBADF) in logging/__init__'s stream_flush() call.
[17:45] <mvo> sbeattie: could you please give me the full /var/log/dist-upgrade/* log please (mail is fine)?
[17:46] <sbeattie> mvo: sure, one sec.
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I am testing the Xubuntu Intrepid daily-live cd. It just took 18 minutes to startup. What happened?
[18:15] <mvo> sbeattie: thanks a lot for the updated logs!
[18:16] <sbeattie> mvo: hopefully they'll be useful. :-/
[18:17] <mvo> sbeattie: they are, we are getting closer I thnk
[19:46] <mvo> sbeattie: yeah, I can reproduce it (and it seems to need exsessive amounts of packages to trigger it :)
[19:46] <sbeattie> heh
[19:47] <mvo> and I got a strace that confirms the SIGPIPE theory
[19:53] <davmor2> bdmurray: for bugs where there are no packages now can you not just use the won't fix like here Bug 38192
[19:57] <bdmurray> davmor2: What would you rather happened?  The bug is not SRU worthy for dapper or feisty.
[20:00] <davmor2> bdmurray: I was thinking more for LP automation just add that the package has been dropped and add the won't fix tab?
[20:03] <davmor2> I was thinking about it after the call and thought I had a bug that fell into that category.  So tracked it down.
[20:05] <davmor2> right need to go now bye
[21:19] <mvo> sbeattie: I think I uploaded a fix for the etckeeper issue, should be available tomorrow
[21:19] <mvo> sbeattie: eh, or in 1-2h (tomorrow my time, its getting late here :)
[21:20] <sbeattie> cool, thanks! I'm happy to test fixes locally if you want.