=== bdmurray_ is now known as bdmurray [05:08] hey can anyone point me to the latest iso for me to try out? [05:10] Are you looking for the daily image or the beta? [05:11] the beta would be great, i was suprised this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing didn't point directly to it... either that or i missed it [05:13] It's probably because there is a new RC coming in a day or two. Here's the Beta [05:13] http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/intrepid/beta/ [05:13] Keep in mind, it's not really ready for production use yet [05:14] thanks charlie-tca, yeah you don't have to worry about me getting a sour taste or anything, I know the implications of 'beta' especially when it comes to bleeding edge open source... [05:14] Great! Have fun with it. [05:15] thanks [05:15] besides, it takes lots of pain and bug reports to produce something good :-) [05:18] charlie-tca: hey uh, i noticed these are dvds, does ubuntu not do normal cds anymore? (it's not a problem at all... but I'm kinda curious, did we exceed what we can do with 700mb and squashfs ?) [05:18] Yes, they do cd's, let me see if I can find them [05:19] charlie-tca: don' [05:20] t worry about it, i'm fine with a dvd, i was more curious than anything [05:20] Only thing I can find in cd is the daily image at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ [05:20] ah, well thanks :-) [05:20] I don't know what happened to the cd's [05:20] Could always ask in #ubuntu+1 [05:22] sure thing [06:48] hello [07:35] morning all! === mdz_ is now known as mdz === ara_ is now known as ara [10:21] Good Morning everyone === asac_ is now known as asac [12:52] * ara -> lunch === ara_ is now known as ara [13:50] * ara reboots [14:02] davmor2: ping [14:02] pong [14:22] will there be a new daily image today? [14:23] asac, Do you mean a second run? Which image are you missing? [14:25] persia: i want an image that has the ubufox upload from yesterday night [14:25] 0.6~pre+bzr141-0ubuntu1 [14:25] which version was that? [14:27] At least intrepid-desktop-i386 has that version for the 20081015 image. [14:27] persia: do you have a link to that CD? [14:27] Do you want a different architecture or flavour? [14:27] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/intrepid-desktop-i386.iso [14:27] Replace "current" with 20081015 if you want to use the link again tomorrow. [14:50] persia: ok thanks. [15:14] sbeattie: the etckeeper you have installed, did you configure it in any way ? or is that just the default config? === jousto1 is now known as jouston [15:21] asac: is there a backport of n-m0.7 for hardy? [15:32] Hey all - we had some decent discussion about testing at the GNOME Boston 2008 summit. Have you all centered on LDTP? Have you considered other things such as StrongWind? [15:36] davmor2: yes. i am maintaining the backports in ~network-manager PPA [15:36] davmor2: just remember that i had to backport a bunch of other packages too [15:36] but those are made in such a way that upgrade to intrepid should work and shouldnt break anything else in hardy seriously [15:36] (at least i hope) [15:38] asac: So should that show up in the backports repo or do I need to do something else? [15:39] davmor2: subscribe to the network-mangaer PPA [15:39] i wont do "official" uploads. thats left to the community [15:39] the network-manager PPA thign is used by a lot of community folks [15:39] okay ta [15:39] sometimes there is a bit of disruption but there were no hard issues for quite some time [15:40] and i expect that to settle anyway now that NM 0.7 is final [15:40] davmor2: http://launchpad.net/~network-manager/+archive [15:40] asac: thanks [15:42] davmor2, asac: what are you guys using for testing (LDTP, Dogtail, StrongWind, etc.)? [15:42] ldtp is mostly used [15:43] davmor2: thanks! Does it work well for you? Have you considered other things like StrongWind? [15:43] best off talking to ara: [15:44] mvo: just the default setup; it wasn't customized in any way. [15:44] davmor2, ara: Thanks!. In addition, is Ubuntu making its tests public? (I'm coming at this from the point of view of a GNOME person trying to get better testing coverage for GNOME GUI's overall). [15:44] WillieWalker: hey! we are honoured for having you here :) [15:46] WillieWalker: we have started using LDTP, but creating a framework for Ubuntu on top of it [15:47] ara: have you looked at StrongWind? In addition, how far along are you? [15:48] sbeattie: could you please restore the snapshot, run update-manager -d , when it asks you to do the upgrade cancel [15:48] sbeattie: then "find /tmp -name "dist-upgrade.py" and go to that dir [15:49] WillieWalker: I have looked at Dogtail, not LDTP [15:49] not Strongwing, sorry [15:49] WillieWalker: ^ [15:50] ara: no prob. :-) Can you tell me what the deciding factors were? In addition, if a larger community effort were started, would Ubuntu be able to contribute/participate? [15:50] sbeattie: then I think I would like to have a strace, but I'm not sure yet what options, because just "strace -f python dist-upgrade.py " will be a bit massive :) [15:51] persia: how long will the daily .iso be available at that location? [15:51] WillieWalker: We decided to go for LDTP instead of Dogtail, because the upstream project is quite active [15:52] asac, Until 2:00 or 3:00 BST : I forget the exact time. After that, it will be replaced with 20081016 (assuming there is no issue building images). [15:52] WillieWalker: and definitely, we would love to participate in a larger effort [15:53] persia: err. i mean: how many days will we keep CDs? [15:53] ara: if the larger effort was using StrongWind, what would your opinion be? (I'm just asking right now. Some people are kind of leaning to StrongWind, but no effort has started yet) [15:53] WillieWalker: our efforts are publicly available at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Automation [15:53] asac, Oh, I think it's only two or three. They get cleaned up fairly often to save space. [15:54] hmm [15:55] WillieWalker: then we would have to see who is involved and what the goals are, to see if it is worth to drop (or change) our ldtp efforts [15:56] WillieWalker: any logs of the GNOME summit testing discussions? [15:57] WillieWalker: presentations, docs... [15:57] * heno waves to WillieWalker [15:57] ara: thanks! [15:57] hey heno? [15:57] heno! [15:58] henrik! [15:58] WillieWalker: sorry I've not been very active in a11y channels lately [15:58] ara: I wrote a blog entry about the accessibility stuff here: http://library.gnome.org/devel/references [15:59] ara: ignore that... [15:59] WillieWalker: thanks [15:59] I'm sure Luke is representing us well though [15:59] ara: http://blogs.sun.com/wwalker/entry/gnome_boston_2008_way_great [15:59] heno: Luke is doing fine. :-) [16:01] sbeattie: hm, could you (instead of strace) try this patch and see if it fails with it (as it should): http://paste.ubuntu.com/57918/plain/ ? [16:01] sbeattie: please snapshot it at this point, I may have more patches [16:05] sbeattie: I have a followup patch for you as well, but I would like to get feedback on the first one first (I was not able to reproduce it here, but it might be because I need to install more packages) [16:08] mvo: okay, one minute' [16:09] sbeattie: thanks [16:20] mvo: alright, snapshotted and patch applied. [16:20] mvo: how do I invoke the updater in here? [16:21] sbeattie: just sudo ./intrepid [16:21] sbeattie: or sudo python dist-upgrade.py [16:21] it should do the right thing(tm) from this point on [16:48] mvo: okay, what should I be looking for in the logfiles? [16:49] sbeattie: hm, so with the patch there is no behavior change (i.e. it does not show a error now that something went wrong)? [16:50] nope [16:52] sbeattie: ok, how about this one? http://paste.ubuntu.com/57939/plain/ ? [16:54] mvo: only difference is the added import on the signal module? [16:54] sbeattie: and using it down in the child [16:55] sbeattie: the other stuff (catching the exception can go away if it does not what I hoped it would do [16:55] sbeattie: I'm setting up a VM currently with loads of packages and etckeeper, hopefully I can reproduce it here too so that the burden is not all on you [16:57] sbeattie: I will be out for a bit, but I will read scrollback [16:58] mvo: okay [17:08] mvo: okay, it's throwing an error now; backtrace has it getting a bad file descriptor (EBADF) in logging/__init__'s stream_flush() call. [17:45] sbeattie: could you please give me the full /var/log/dist-upgrade/* log please (mail is fine)? [17:46] mvo: sure, one sec. [17:55] I am testing the Xubuntu Intrepid daily-live cd. It just took 18 minutes to startup. What happened? [18:15] sbeattie: thanks a lot for the updated logs! [18:16] mvo: hopefully they'll be useful. :-/ [18:17] sbeattie: they are, we are getting closer I thnk === erle64- is now known as erle- [19:46] sbeattie: yeah, I can reproduce it (and it seems to need exsessive amounts of packages to trigger it :) [19:46] heh [19:47] and I got a strace that confirms the SIGPIPE theory [19:53] bdmurray: for bugs where there are no packages now can you not just use the won't fix like here Bug 38192 [19:57] davmor2: What would you rather happened? The bug is not SRU worthy for dapper or feisty. [20:00] bdmurray: I was thinking more for LP automation just add that the package has been dropped and add the won't fix tab? [20:03] I was thinking about it after the call and thought I had a bug that fell into that category. So tracked it down. [20:05] right need to go now bye [21:19] sbeattie: I think I uploaded a fix for the etckeeper issue, should be available tomorrow [21:19] sbeattie: eh, or in 1-2h (tomorrow my time, its getting late here :) [21:20] cool, thanks! I'm happy to test fixes locally if you want. === cody-somerville_ is now known as cody-somerville