[02:54] <AliTabuger7> newz2000, I believe you wanted my help on something about the new Ubuntu website, but you never emailed me back. Just reminding you, if you still would like help.
[02:54] <newz2000> AliTabuger7: I think we're stuck for the moment
[02:55] <AliTabuger7> In what way?
[02:55] <newz2000> The feature tour is going to stay like it is with updated images, the start page is under discussion amongst people with strong opinions.
[02:56] <newz2000> I think we'll have to resume more team activities after the release
[02:57] <AliTabuger7> So there's nothing you need aside from a decision/consensus?
[02:57] <newz2000> not at the moment
[02:57] <newz2000> there's a chance the start page will need some effort but I won't know until the last minute
[02:58] <AliTabuger7> ok. Well if you need any lat minute help, I'm usually free.
[02:58] <newz2000> ok, thanks AliTabuger7
[15:25] <newz2000> Hi mpt, I'd love your feedback on the download stuff if you get a chance
[15:45] <mpt> newz2000, ok
[15:45] <mpt> I have a mountainous Inbox
[15:46] <newz2000> hre, I'll save you the trouble of reading through the incredibly long thread
[15:46] <newz2000> mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/downloadpage.html  and http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/downloadpage2.html
[15:46] <newz2000> I think I'll use the shorter tabs off the 2nd one regardless of the end result
[15:47] <newz2000> also alternate cd will be removed from the options
[15:47] <mpt> oh, definitely the smaller tabs
[15:47] <newz2000> also will play with the colors, they confuse some people about which tab is active
[15:48] <mpt> Yes, I was just in the middle of typing that "Server Edition" looks much much more important
[15:48] <mpt> "Use this page to" -> ""
[15:48] <newz2000> mpt: no paragraph eh?
[15:48] <mpt> oh, "click the button below"?
[15:49] <mpt> Actually I just had my eye on the "Use this page to" phrase, but ... yes, I confidently predict that paragraph won't help anyone
[15:49] <mpt> Can you imagine someone reading that paragraph and then successfully using the form, who wouldn't have successfully used it without the paragraph?
[15:50] <newz2000> yeah, probably one of those things that's only purpose in life is to point to and say, "see, the instructions are right here" after they've already failed
[15:51] <mpt> The goal is percentage success, not righteous defense :-)
[15:51] <newz2000> Somethign I'm trying to do better is to indicate that they're going to be downloading a CD (vs. the firefox homepage where you get to install right away) and also that there is more help on the subsequent page
[15:51] <mpt> hm
[15:51] <mpt> Maybe the system requirements should be squarely above the download options then
[15:51] <mpt> though that increases the below-the-fold problem
[15:52] <mpt> One big step towards bringing the Download button above the fold would be nuking that "Get Ubuntu - Get Certified Ubuntu Training" banner
[15:52] <mpt> It almost looks as if we're so poor we're running banner ads on our own site :-)
[15:53] <newz2000> I'm not ready to make that big of a change yet, but when we staff up the art dept later this year I'm going to propose a redesign that uses a minimal header
[15:55] <mpt> "Use the list below..." is another not-particularly-useful paragaraph
[15:55] <mpt> excuse my mistyping, I need sleep
[15:55] <newz2000> hey, this is IRC
[15:55] <newz2000> axing those two paragraphs may get the button up to or at least near the fold
[15:55] <newz2000> and you're right, I think people will understand what to do based on the headings
[15:56] <newz2000> (btw, the orange dotted line is the fold)
[15:56] <mpt> yes
[15:57] <mpt> That's all from me I think
[15:57] <newz2000> ok, tahnks for your feedback, awesome stuff
[15:57] <newz2000> I'm already hearing stuff trickle in from the gnome conf, sounds like you guys had a good meetup