[02:54] newz2000, I believe you wanted my help on something about the new Ubuntu website, but you never emailed me back. Just reminding you, if you still would like help. [02:54] AliTabuger7: I think we're stuck for the moment [02:55] In what way? [02:55] The feature tour is going to stay like it is with updated images, the start page is under discussion amongst people with strong opinions. [02:56] I think we'll have to resume more team activities after the release [02:57] So there's nothing you need aside from a decision/consensus? [02:57] not at the moment [02:57] there's a chance the start page will need some effort but I won't know until the last minute [02:58] ok. Well if you need any lat minute help, I'm usually free. [02:58] ok, thanks AliTabuger7 === ubot3` is now known as ubot3 [15:25] Hi mpt, I'd love your feedback on the download stuff if you get a chance [15:45] newz2000, ok [15:45] I have a mountainous Inbox [15:46] hre, I'll save you the trouble of reading through the incredibly long thread [15:46] mpt: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/downloadpage.html and http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/downloadpage2.html [15:46] I think I'll use the shorter tabs off the 2nd one regardless of the end result [15:47] also alternate cd will be removed from the options [15:47] oh, definitely the smaller tabs [15:47] also will play with the colors, they confuse some people about which tab is active [15:48] Yes, I was just in the middle of typing that "Server Edition" looks much much more important [15:48] "Use this page to" -> "" [15:48] mpt: no paragraph eh? [15:48] oh, "click the button below"? [15:49] Actually I just had my eye on the "Use this page to" phrase, but ... yes, I confidently predict that paragraph won't help anyone [15:49] Can you imagine someone reading that paragraph and then successfully using the form, who wouldn't have successfully used it without the paragraph? [15:50] yeah, probably one of those things that's only purpose in life is to point to and say, "see, the instructions are right here" after they've already failed [15:51] The goal is percentage success, not righteous defense :-) [15:51] Somethign I'm trying to do better is to indicate that they're going to be downloading a CD (vs. the firefox homepage where you get to install right away) and also that there is more help on the subsequent page [15:51] hm [15:51] Maybe the system requirements should be squarely above the download options then [15:51] though that increases the below-the-fold problem [15:52] One big step towards bringing the Download button above the fold would be nuking that "Get Ubuntu - Get Certified Ubuntu Training" banner [15:52] It almost looks as if we're so poor we're running banner ads on our own site :-) [15:53] I'm not ready to make that big of a change yet, but when we staff up the art dept later this year I'm going to propose a redesign that uses a minimal header [15:55] "Use the list below..." is another not-particularly-useful paragaraph [15:55] excuse my mistyping, I need sleep [15:55] hey, this is IRC [15:55] axing those two paragraphs may get the button up to or at least near the fold [15:55] and you're right, I think people will understand what to do based on the headings [15:56] (btw, the orange dotted line is the fold) [15:56] yes [15:57] That's all from me I think [15:57] ok, tahnks for your feedback, awesome stuff [15:57] I'm already hearing stuff trickle in from the gnome conf, sounds like you guys had a good meetup