[00:00] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: Adept installer is completely borked with beta3
[00:00] <JontheEchidna> as was mentioned earlier
[00:01] <Riddell> oh, hmm
[00:01] <Riddell> do we want to upload then?
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> I'm thinking we should revert the Installer changes first
[00:01] <JontheEchidna> because the fixes in beta3 are really nice...
[00:02] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Thanks for trying ....
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: is this the last chance we have to upload adept before final release?
[00:03] <Riddell> no, I don't expect freeze will happen until slangasek wakes up tomorrow, and even after that things can go through with approval
[00:03] <JontheEchidna> mornfall said he'd look at the problem tomorrow
[00:04] <NCommander> ScottK, well, just grab the new tarball and run with it
[00:05] <ScottK-laptop> NCommander: Grabbing it now.
[00:10] <ScottK-laptop> So now the question is will pbuilder finish before I have to go make the pickup from ballet class.
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> Yep.  That fixed it.
[00:15] <ScottK-laptop> Off to ballet class ...
[00:16]  * Riddell imagines ScottK in tights standing on tiptoes
[00:19] <Riddell> mornfall, JontheEchidna: libept synced, we'll decide what to do with adept tomorrow
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> oh shit
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> Object::connect: No such slot SourcesWidget::sourcesEditorFinished(int)
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> my bad :(
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> void souresEditorFinished(int reload)
[00:24] <JontheEchidna> ^lololol, typo
[00:27] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: ^
[00:59]  * JontheEchidna has been able to download upgrades, fetch package lists and have upgradable packages again 3 times tonight ;-)
[00:59] <JontheEchidna> RC freeze is fun, eheh
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> Ha, device mounting works now!
[01:00] <JontheEchidna> though the password dialog for accessing internal partitions is annoying...
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> ...
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> LP just went offline for maintainence
[01:01]  * JontheEchidna headdesks
[01:16] <NCommander> Riddell, I think your comment about Scott and the ballot will forever be burned into my brain
[01:24] <seele> huh.. any chance we can make the meeting on Friday a little earlier?
[02:19] <DaSkreech> seele: ping
[02:19] <seele> DaSkreech: pong
[02:20] <DaSkreech> on Ibex?
[02:20] <seele> nope
[02:20] <seele> computer is in other room
[02:20] <seele> whats up?
[02:20] <ScottK> Riddell: Nope.  Driving to and from ballet class is an occupational risk associated with having three daughters.
[02:21] <DaSkreech> seele: jut wondering if you have played with the new adept
[02:21]  * ScottK wonders how seele is talking with us on IRC when the computer is in the other room.
[02:21] <seele> DaSkreech: yes..
[02:22] <seele> ScottK: multiple computers.. this one has hardy on it
[02:22] <DaSkreech> seele: Like it?
[02:22] <DaSkreech> ScottK: She's AWESOME!
[02:22] <DaSkreech> and don't you forget it
[02:22] <seele> DaSkreech: uhm.. it needs work
[02:22] <ScottK> seele: Right, but it was funnier my way.
[02:22] <DaSkreech> yeah I got confused the first time I used it
[02:23]  * DaSkreech wishes that he could figure out why Kopete krashes on ibex
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Is mostly back to hanging out here
[02:26] <DaSkreech> Work's been sucky in terms of time for 2 months
[02:28] <seele> how is camp planning coming?
[02:32] <DaSkreech> Going pretty well
[02:33] <DaSkreech> I've been out of touch for a week but came back to a huuuuge number of e-mails
[02:34] <DaSkreech> some of which were sadly directed at me :(
[02:34] <DaSkreech> I'm actually going through them now
[02:34] <DaSkreech> Still need sponsors :(
[02:41] <ScottK> metellius: I'm loving the .tar.gz support in Ark.  Thank you so much for making it a priority for us.
[02:49] <a|wen> Riddell: around?
[02:50] <ScottK> a|wen: kdepim is uploaded.  The problem last night was I was too tired to operate patch properly.
[02:50] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for all your efforts on that.
[02:51] <a|wen> ScottK: cool
[02:51] <a|wen> ScottK: no problem ... thanks for sponsoring
[02:51] <ScottK> It's been accepted too, so it just needs to build ...
[02:51] <Daskreech> Koffice Beta for ibex?
[02:52] <Daskreech> I'll assume none for hardy
[02:53] <a|wen> that can take some time in any case
[02:53] <a|wen> ScottK: do you know if Riddell will be around before the freeze?
[02:54] <rgreening> koffice beta is in kubuntu testing PPA
[02:54] <rgreening> for ibex
[02:54] <Daskreech> :-D
[02:54] <rgreening> I assume Riddell will push it over...
[02:57]  * Daskreech should pull OO.o 3 as well
[02:58] <Daskreech> Should be fun to see if that gets in to Ibex at some time
[03:00] <a|wen> Riddell: didn't get a conflict/replaces updated correctly for the kdesvn uploaded to intrepid, bug 284026 ... fix is avaible here: http://awen.dk/packages/kdesvn/kdesvn_1.2.1-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[03:07] <ScottK> a|wen: I can look at it.
[03:08] <ScottK> Anyone around that knows how to make kioslaves?
[03:08] <a|wen> ScottK: thanks a lot
[03:08] <ScottK> txwikinger: How is getting kio-sword cleared out going?  I see it's still in ichthux-desktop.
[03:10] <ScottK> a|wen: Should it conflict/replace kdesvn-kde4 too?  Didn't we have that for a while?
[03:12] <a|wen> ScottK: kdesvn-kde4 has only ever been avaible in the kubuntu-experimental ppa
[03:12] <a|wen> ScottK: but it should of course replace kdesdk-kio-plugins-kde4 i suppose
[03:12] <ScottK> OK.  Are we supporting upgrades from there?
[03:13] <ScottK> OK.  Well if you're going to rework it, you may as well add that in.
[03:14] <a|wen> i'll add them both
[03:20] <a|wen> ScottK: new debdiff uploaded http://awen.dk/packages/kdesvn/kdesvn_1.2.1-0ubuntu2.debdiff
[03:26] <ScottK> a|wen: Test building now.
[03:37] <ScottK> sbeattie: I looked at kdiamond-kde4 and we need it as a transitional package.  I have no idea why apt can't install it though.
[03:49] <ScottK> a|wen: Uploaded.  Thank you for your contribution to Kubuntu.
[04:02] <rgreening> hey ScottK
[04:10] <ScottK> Heya rgreening
[04:12] <rgreening> I think I have successfully backported plasma python support for KDE 4.1.2
[04:13] <rgreening> just finishing up some bits and building kdebase-worspace. Then a few tests (hopefully runs fine) and upload to testing.
[04:13] <rgreening> so, now we can write plasmoids in python :)
[04:14] <ScottK> rgreening: I'm going to leave that one for Riddell to upload ...
[04:14] <ScottK> Congratulations though.
[04:15] <rgreening> :) It was fun. I'm still not sure on the "packaging" bits in the control file.
[04:17] <rgreening> ScottK: can you have a quick look here... http://paste.ubuntu.com/58165/
[04:17] <rgreening> ScottK: it's the control file for workspace with additions for python-plasma and python-plasma-examples (my two packages).
[04:18] <rgreening> I ""think"" I got it essentially correct.
[04:22] <ScottK> rgreening: Can you give me a unified diff from the previous one (debdiff snippet or with diff -ruN)?
[04:22] <rgreening> sure... 1 sec
[04:26] <rgreening> ScottK: try this... http://paste.ubuntu.com/58166/
[04:27] <ScottK> Looking
[04:27] <rgreening> hmm. I already see where I missed a comma... haha
[04:28]  * rgreening runs to fix it...
[04:28] <ScottK> rgreening: Why is this in kdebase-workspace?  I'd have thought kde4bindings?
[04:29] <rgreening> ScottK: It's where it is in trunk...
[04:29] <ScottK> OK.
[04:30] <ScottK> It looks basically right.
[04:30] <rgreening> the Depends lines are what I am unsure of.
[04:31] <rgreening> I also kept the items I am adding as seperate packages so we can easily move them around later if we have to.
[04:31] <ScottK> rgreening: Was the comma you got at line 17
[04:32] <rgreening> Once this is in, we can go mad adding plasmoids in python... yay
[04:32] <rgreening> yep
[04:32] <rgreening> I saw it as soon as I pasted it :)
[04:32] <ScottK> That was the only thing I saw
[04:32] <rgreening> I had to catch it before you did and beat me to within an inch of my life :P
[04:34] <rgreening> ScottK: can I get you to upload a debdiff for me? kdelibs5 needs a dep update for launchpad integration.
[04:34] <rgreening> for bug 283834
[04:35] <ScottK> rgreening: It's working for me
[04:36] <rgreening> yeah, you have launchpad-integration installed. remove it :)
[04:36] <rgreening> nothing deps on it
[04:36] <ScottK> Right
[04:36] <rgreening> :)
[04:36] <rgreening> so, adding a dep for it to kdelibs5 fixes
[04:37] <ScottK> Why not just add it to kubuntu-desktop?
[04:41] <rgreening> cause once you install kubuntu-desktop, you can uninstall it and potentially uninstall launchpad
[04:41] <ScottK> I think there are people that would consider that a feature and not a bug.
[04:41] <rgreening> best to force it to stay installed as it's tied to kdelibs5 innately
[04:41] <rgreening> imo
[04:42] <ScottK> Why?
[04:42] <ScottK> If a user doesn't want the FOSS desktop to integrate with non-Free services, why should we force them to?
[04:43] <sbeattie> ScottK: it fails because kdiamond-kde4 depends on kdiamond, but kdiamond conflicts (and replaces) kdiamond-kde4.
[04:43] <ScottK> Ah.  Needs versioning.  THanks.
[04:44]  * ScottK smacks vorian.
[04:47] <rgreening> ScottK: the launchpad integration is the "get help online" and "translate this application" which are menus created in all kde applications in Kubuntu. The patch calls launchpad-integration to connect to the applications help or translation page only.
[04:47] <ScottK> rgreening: Exactly why it's not essential.
[04:47] <rgreening> If launchpad-integration isn't installed, these end up as dead menus
[04:48] <ScottK> I think it's recommends at most.
[04:48] <rgreening> essential it is.. mmmm... dead menus do not we like... mmm haha hrmmm
[04:48] <ScottK> sbeattie: Fixing.
[04:49] <ScottK> rgreening: Look in the policy manual at the definition of recommends.  I think this fits.
[04:49] <sbeattie> ScottK: awesome, thanks!
[04:49] <rgreening> I would agree "if" the menus we able to be hidden if it didn't find launchpad-integration program.
[04:50] <rgreening> that would require a re-write of the existing patch which is to close to the wire...
[04:50] <rgreening> best to discuss with Riddell in the AM I guess...
[04:50] <ScottK> Personally I find the lack of freeness in LP a problem and don't feel we should force integration with non-free services on users.
[04:50] <ScottK> OK.
[04:50] <ScottK> If it's recommends, it gets installed and it's up to the user to remove it if they don't want it.
[04:51] <rgreening> what's non-free about the help?
[04:51] <ScottK> Launchpad is a prioprietary service.
[04:51] <rgreening> are we talking about the same app.
[04:51] <rgreening> thats landscape
[04:51] <ScottK> Free as in Free, not Free as in Beer.
[04:52] <rgreening> hrmm..
[04:53] <ScottK> That and I'm more than slightly annoyed at the moment about Launchpad devs asking for feedback on crap features that they were already told were crap at UDS.
[04:53] <rgreening> lol
[04:53] <ScottK> You tell them it's crap and they say please file bugs, to which I say "I've already been ignored once, why waste time to get ignored again".
[04:54] <rgreening> haha
[05:05] <rgreening> well, I e-mailed Riddell with the bug info and a debdiff. I gave him the brief overview. We'll let him mull it over a bit
[05:05] <ScottK> PL
[05:05] <ScottK> Urgh
[05:05] <ScottK> OK
[05:05] <txwikinger> ScottK: I will get to it tomorrow
[05:05] <rgreening> PL, its the new OK
[05:06] <ScottK> Only after midnight when I was up past 2AM last night.
[05:13] <rgreening> :P
[05:30] <ScottK> I've run out of energy.  If someone want to properly version the kdiamond replaces/conflicts on kdiamond-kde4 so it's installable, please make a debiff and hit up Riddell or apachelogger when they show up.
[06:43] <jussi01> Morning all!
[08:17] <dholbach> hi guys
[08:18] <dholbach> does anybody of you have the source for  example-content/kubuntu-leaflet.png ?
[08:18] <dholbach> we need to fix the bit about powerpc
[08:18] <dholbach> other than that it looks good for intrepid release
[08:19] <dholbach> maybe we could transform it to .jpg too? it'd take up only half the size
[08:21] <Hobbsee> dholbach: a little early, perhaps.
[08:21] <dholbach> hm?
[08:21] <Hobbsee> (in the day)
[08:22] <dholbach> you mean Riddell and kwwii might have the original and they're not up yet?
[08:22] <Hobbsee> well, thelatter part at least.
[08:22] <davmor2> dholbach: that about sums it up
[08:22] <dholbach> right-o
[08:22] <Hobbsee> i've noideaon the former.
[08:22] <dholbach> I'll wait :)
[08:32] <NCommander> er
[08:32] <NCommander> Wait
[08:32] <NCommander> What about powerpc dholbach?
[08:33]  * NCommander feels his port is in danger senses tingling
[08:33] <dholbach> NCommander: it should mention that it's no "offical architecture"
[08:33] <dholbach> NCommander: don't worry
[08:33] <dholbach> nothing changed, it should just be clarified in the document
[08:33] <NCommander> Oh, but can it be mentioned ;-)?
[08:33] <NCommander> (we do have unoffical kubuntu PPC CDs kicking around)
[08:33] <dholbach> then you should probably mention all the other architectures as well
[08:34] <NCommander> Only PowerPC has Kubuntu CDs
[08:34] <NCommander> Since anonthy can't build them for universe-seeded flavors
[08:34] <NCommander> If someone wants to build SPARC/HPPA/ia64/LPIA CDs ....
[08:44] <a|wen> thanks a lot ScottK, really appreciate
[08:46] <davmor2> Riddell: Kubuntu is broken on live.  The about-Kubuntu fix is in :) but now the installer icon is missing.  I've checked in terminal for ~/Desktop and ubiquity-kdeui.desktop is there but not showing :(
[08:49] <davmor2> Riddell: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/live-desktop-kde.png
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger, Nightrose: might you know the identity of the lady who made example-content's kubuntu-leaflet.png?
[10:43] <Riddell> kwwii says she's a german studying in switzerland
[10:44] <Nightrose> one sec
[10:46] <Nightrose> Riddell: the only one i could think of is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MirjamWaeckerlin
[10:46] <Nightrose> but afaik she is not studying in switzerland
[10:47] <kwwii> Nightrose: exactly, correct
[10:47] <kwwii> she was, I think
[10:47] <Nightrose> ah ok :)
[10:48] <dholbach> for now I'll just convert the .png to a .jpg to save space
[10:48] <dholbach> please update example-content or ping me once you have a corrected version, ok?
[10:49] <dholbach> FIY: it's mentioned in the last comment in bug 67537
[10:52] <Xand3r> good morning apachelogger
[10:52] <Xand3r> moring every body
[10:53] <Riddell> kwwii: will you contact her?
[10:53] <Riddell> morning Xand3r
[10:55] <Xand3r> mornig Riddell
[10:57] <Riddell> hi bigjools, thanks for your e-mail the other day, responding to it should get to the top of my todo list sometime today
[10:57] <bigjools> Riddell: hi there - np, I just thought it would be useful feedback
[10:58] <kwwii> Riddell: I just found the orig....http://sinecera.de/flyer.svg
[10:59] <Riddell> kwwii: great, make sure that gets into the example-content source package this time :)
[11:08] <apachelogger> aloha Xand3r
[11:08] <Xand3r> ^^
[11:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the problem with that thing? ... did you upload a fix for kdenetwork yet?
[11:11] <apachelogger> s/kdenetwork/kdegames
[11:20] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  master sitter, what is to do?
[11:20] <apachelogger> pray that 8.10 is not going to be completely broken
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: no I havn't looked at kdegames
[11:22] <Riddell> vorian said he was going to I think
[11:22] <apachelogger> well, I have a fix ready, going to upload in a minute
[11:23] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ther is a problem, i dont believe in god
[11:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: ping me two minutes after you do, I can review and let it through
[11:23] <apachelogger> ok
[11:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, ryanakca had an addition commited to the kds branch
[11:24]  * apachelogger doesn't think we uploaded that
[11:24] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you must believe in something
[11:25] <Riddell> we didn't decide if we should set font hinting to full in k-d-s, I think it's too big a change to do at this stage
[11:25] <Xand3r> apachelogger: why i have to?
[11:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: ryanakca did fix bug 277193
[11:25] <apachelogger> Xand3r: otherwise you are pretty much lost
[11:25]  * apachelogger believes in gnu beards :D
[11:26] <apachelogger> and the force!
[11:26] <apachelogger> and bats and ninjas for that matter...
[11:26] <Xand3r> i dont belive in anything
[11:26] <Xand3r> and i am feeling lost, but i have no problem woth it
[11:27] <apachelogger> hm
[11:28] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you could belive in MOTUs
[11:28] <Xand3r> lol
[11:28]  * apachelogger thinks that would actually be a good start for a MOTU application
[11:29] <mornfall> ~time JontheEchidna
[11:29] <kubotu> America - New York - Thu Oct 16 06:29 EDT
[11:29] <mornfall> Hm. Early.
[11:29] <mornfall> ~time yuriy
[11:29] <kubotu> yuriy is an unknown time.
[11:29] <mornfall> Pfft.
[11:29] <Hobbsee> ~time hobbsee
[11:29] <kubotu> hobbsee is an unknown time.
[11:29] <Hobbsee> aww, no antarctic time
[11:30] <Xand3r> apachelogger:  believing in MOTU's hmmm, ok i pray to the MOTU's for saving the shape of 8.10
[11:30] <apachelogger> ~help time
[11:30] <kubotu> time <time zone> to get the local time of a certain location. <time zone> can be <Continent/City> or <two character country code>. time <nick> to see the local time of that person if their time zone is set. time admin set <nick> <time zone> to set the time zone for another user. time [admin] reset [nick] to let the bot forget about the tzinfo about someone
[11:30] <apachelogger> ~time admin set Hobbsee Australia/Sydney
[11:30] <kubotu> Ok, I'll remember that Hobbsee is on the Australia/Sydney timezone
[11:30] <apachelogger> <-- believes in admin powas :D
[11:31] <Xand3r> lol
[11:31] <apachelogger> mornfall: I think yuriy is EDT as well
[11:31] <apachelogger> not sure though
[11:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: able to upload ryan's k-d-s change then?
[11:31] <apachelogger> need to test it first
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: games is uploaded, btw
[11:32] <apachelogger> Need to get 30.5MB of archives.
[11:33] <apachelogger> -.-
[11:40] <mornfall> Anyhow, I am biting the bullet and rewriting the installer interface, since it's just too buggy.
[11:40] <mornfall> I mean, the way the pages are handled.
[11:42] <Riddell> mornfall: that sounds quite drastic
[11:43] <apachelogger> hm
[11:44] <apachelogger> <3 oxygen card decks
[11:45] <mornfall> Riddell: Yes. But it should really be quite safe.
[11:45] <mornfall> It's about further 20 minutes of work.
[11:45] <mornfall> I spent some hour on it by now I guess.
[11:46] <apachelogger> bug 277193 bug 277909
[11:48] <Riddell> mornfall: good luck
[11:49] <mornfall> Oh, it's gonna work.
[11:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: is bzrification of development planned for the jaunty cycle?
[11:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's been planned since warty, you'd need to ask james_w if there's anything on schedule for jaunty
[11:51] <mornfall>  3 files changed, 144 insertions(+), 194 deletions(-)
[11:51]  * apachelogger would like to use some VCS for kubuntu
[11:51] <mornfall> -50 lines and it works about zillion times better. I win.
[11:51] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: hope you have more luckin that than i did
[11:52] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: what were the problems?
[11:53] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: it was a pain updating everything twice, mainly - we weren't keeping the .orig'sin there
[11:54] <Hobbsee> so you'd have to fetch twice
[11:54] <Hobbsee> and apart from that, it was extremely slow
[11:54]  * apachelogger would actually like to go with git ;-)
[11:54] <Hobbsee> i think htey've fixed some of those bits now, but you still have th eproblems with very big source packages, and relatively little gains for thework involved
[11:54] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[11:54] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: bzr-buildpackage makes things a lot easier
[11:54] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's been decided.  We get bzr.
[11:55]  * apachelogger shudders
[11:55] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i found that always errored out for me, but in theory, that'd work nicely.
[11:55] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: it got crappy usability TBH
[11:55] <Hobbsee> that' strue
[11:55] <apachelogger> but other than that very useful
[11:56]  * apachelogger notes that kds is way too big
[11:59] <mornfall> Any ideas on how to figure scrollbar width?
[12:02] <mornfall>   setFixedWidth( width + 25 ); -- says KPageWidget. Funky. Whatever.
[12:03] <mornfall> So my + 30 was actually a kdelibs-style solution. Scary.
[12:03] <Tonio_> hi there
[12:04] <mornfall> Hi.
[12:04] <mornfall> Riddell: 32x32 or 48x48 icons for the group list?
[12:04] <Riddell> how big are the icons in app-data?
[12:05] <Riddell> mornfall: they seem to be 48 so I guess that's the one to go for
[12:05] <mornfall> Ok.
[12:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: kds uploaded as well
[12:05] <mornfall> That means I'm roughly done. Testing needed.
[12:05]  * mornfall sanity-checks again.
[12:05] <metellius> ScottK: what's special about the tar.gz support?
[12:14] <Riddell> apachelogger: your k-d-s had some extra stuff in in (backup-bzr) so I've rejected and uploaded my own
[12:14]  * apachelogger is wondering where that came from
[12:15] <apachelogger> screwy bzr
[12:15] <Riddell> I think from bzr updating to a new format
[12:16] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:17]  * apachelogger thinks that should be stored in the .bzr directory really
[12:17] <apachelogger> or ../
[12:20] <apachelogger> Riddell: kdewebdev-kde4 uploaded
[12:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have a little problem with the hardy version of the french parliament desktop....
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: the system-config-printer-applet-kde doesn't start, as I get a non autorization from dbus
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: is there a specific permission rule to set so that it works ?
[12:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: my user is already in the lpadmin group
[12:21] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm shouldn't be, does system-config-printer-applet from system-config-printer-applet-gnome start?
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: nope ;)
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll restart dbus eventually :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is really cool with it is that the icon also appears with non kde apps :)
[12:23] <Tonio_> the systray one during printing
[12:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: suggestions what to do about bug 283094
[12:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: we had a bug report about that so thank you ;)
[12:24] <Riddell> you're thanking me for bug reports? :)
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: hard to say without knowing what the problem is
[12:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: but if it's an X problem reassign to xserver-xorg?
[12:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: see the attached screenshot
[12:26] <apachelogger> I guess the reporter should just try with the free ati driver
[12:26] <apachelogger> force him to use the light side of the force ;-)
[12:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: if a package's dependency recommends something, would that recommended package end up on the CD?
[12:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[12:33] <Riddell> since hardy
[12:34] <apachelogger> hm, I guess launchpad-integration needs to be changed then
[12:35] <Riddell> apachelogger: how so?
[12:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 283834
[12:36] <apachelogger> launchpad-integration Recommends: libgnome2-0
[12:36] <apachelogger> hm
[12:36] <apachelogger> which is apparently on the CD anyway
[12:38] <Nightrose> yay my dolphin crashes when leaving tar archives now
[12:38] <Nightrose> anyone else with that problem?
[12:39] <Nightrose> leaving = going back to the parent directory by clicking on it in the breadcrumb bar
[12:39] <apachelogger> dolphin opens tars?! Oo
[12:39] <Riddell> hmm, gtk-qt-engine still has dependencies
[12:40] <Nightrose> apachelogger: well you can browse them with the kio slave
[12:40] <apachelogger> oh, that makes sense
[12:40] <apachelogger> the engine depends on bonoboui, which depends on libgnome2-0
[12:40] <apachelogger> fair enough
[12:40] <apachelogger> Nightrose: by default?
[12:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: don't think so - need to enable it in the settings
[12:41] <apachelogger> where?
[12:41] <Nightrose> sec
[12:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: I can remove the dependencies, that's what I've done before
[12:41] <Nightrose> apachelogger: general - second to last option
[12:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: not needed IMO
[12:42] <Nightrose> before kde 4.1.2 it worked - might have been b0rked even later though
[12:43] <apachelogger> yeah, crashes pretty nicely
[12:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: got a bt?
[12:43] <Nightrose> great
[12:43] <Nightrose> nope
[12:43] <Nightrose> no debug symbols installed
[12:43]  * apachelogger removed all dbg packages yesterday because he was upgrading on wifi ;-)
[12:43] <Nightrose> hehe damn
[12:43] <apachelogger> Nightrose: install kdebase-dbg
[12:43] <Nightrose> k
[12:44] <Nightrose> this will take some time as i am downloading other stuff as well
[12:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: why not?
[12:46]  * Riddell fixes launchpad-integration and uploads
[12:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: still not getting a backtrace
[12:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: because we have libgnome2-0 on the CD anyway
[12:46] <Nightrose> ahhh
[12:46] <Nightrose> nvm
[12:47] <jussi01> Anyone need some hardy backport testing done? got a bit of time this afternoon and my hardy machine here : )
[12:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: I'll also fix the translation icon in the lp integration patch while I am at
[12:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: did you file a bug for quassel?
[12:48] <jussi01> apachelogger: nope, did you ask me too?
[12:48] <apachelogger> yus :P
[12:48] <apachelogger> jussi01: I backported the 0.3.0.2 changes to our packaging
[12:48] <apachelogger> so we should get it backported to hardy
[12:48] <jussi01> heh,mustve missed that
[12:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/m7831cd5d
[12:48] <apachelogger> *nod*
[12:48] <jussi01> right, Ill file that
[12:49] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I have seen that before
[12:49] <jussi01> oh, and is flash in konq in intrepid fixed yet? its sad cause I dont want to install half of gnome to get firefox...
[12:49] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmm i am pretty sure this worked very well before
[12:49] <apachelogger> well, not in that particular case
[12:50] <Nightrose> ah
[12:50] <apachelogger> jussi01: it is broken?
[12:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: yes...
[12:50] <jussi01> or it was when I left home yesterday...
[12:50] <apachelogger> Nightrose: anyway, please take a look at bko
[12:50] <apachelogger> the crash really happens in the slave, not dolphin
[12:51] <jussi01> apachelogger: bug 281808
[12:51] <apachelogger> that is a highly informative title :P
[12:51] <mornfall> Riddell: It seems to work better than the original code, so I'll make beta4 with that change in about 2.5 hours. Would that work?
[12:51] <mornfall> (I have to run *now*, so I'll read that in a bit.)
[12:51] <Nightrose> apachelogger: hmmm will try to but not sure i can find the time to today
[12:52] <apachelogger> Nightrose: well, query the google
[12:52] <apachelogger> got better search than bko :P
[12:52] <Nightrose> hehe
[12:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: the content is as informative as the title :P
[12:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: what version of the flash package, konqueror package, kdelibs5, since when does it not work, run kdebugdialog and select all, run konqueror from konsole get some sweet konsole output, anything in the system logs that would indicate a problem, what url is shown for the plugin listed in the konqueror plugin dialog....
[12:55] <jussi01> apachelogger: Ill get those when I get home. currently I am approx 800km from my intrepid machine
[12:55] <jussi01> and I didnt write the bug ;)
[12:57] <apachelogger> well, "me too" comments aren't particularly useful either :P
[12:57] <jussi01> apachelogger: remind me of what I should file the bug for the backport against?
[12:57] <apachelogger> hardy-backport
[12:57] <apachelogger> s
[12:57] <jussi01> (thought so, just checking :D )
[12:58] <apachelogger> a|wen: bug 284026
[12:58] <apachelogger> regresssion :P
[12:59] <apachelogger> I knew it
[12:59] <apachelogger> muhahaha :P
[12:59] <a|wen> apachelogger: haha ... yeah, but fixed it before you got to mention it :P
[12:59] <apachelogger> well
[12:59] <apachelogger> just because you were offline
[13:00]  * apachelogger wanted to blame a|wen 5 minutes after the bug was filed :P
[13:00] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: good morning
[13:00] <a|wen> always awake apachelogger is ;)
[13:00] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:00] <apachelogger> a true DUK never sleeps
[13:01] <apachelogger> haha, I think I upgraded the KDS branch!
[13:01] <apachelogger> now we can do debcommit -r and get a fancy tag
[13:01] <apachelogger> \o/
[13:04] <jussi01> :(
[13:04] <jussi01> "hardy-backports" does not exist in Ubuntu. Please choose a different package. If you're unsure, please select "I don't know"
[13:04] <a|wen> jussi01: here https://bugs.launchpad.net/hardy-backports/+filebug :)
[13:06] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot160.png
[13:06] <jussi01> a|wen: thanks
[13:07] <smarter> hmm, I already upgraded the kds branch to the latest format last month :P
[13:07] <jussi01> apachelogger: bug 284355
[13:08] <smarter> (and managed to screw up in the middle but fixed it after using strange commands and options to unlock and overwrite everything)
[13:09] <kwwii> Riddell: looking into adding the svg to the source of example-content I cannot upload any changes - can you add it?
[13:09] <apachelogger> smarter: the difference between your attempt and mine: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot161.png :P
[13:09]  * a|wen will proceed trying to get an intrepid vm working ... virtualbox is clearly not an option
[13:10] <apachelogger> a|wen: vbox works just fine here
[13:11] <a|wen> apachelogger: i've tried on both my laptop and desktop ... either i can't login to the kde4 desktop (xserver restarts when i try); or it is so slow that it is unusable (haven't managed to open the install yet)
[13:11] <apachelogger> jussi01: can you do a backport build? ... in your ppa
[13:12] <Riddell> kwwii: what's the bzr url?
[13:12] <jussi01> apachelogger: youll need to remind me a little, proceedurewise, Ive not touched stuff for a while and am a little rusty
[13:13] <apachelogger> jussi01: dget https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/quassel/0.3.0-0ubuntu7/+files/quassel_0.3.0-0ubuntu7.dsc
[13:13] <apachelogger> dpkg-source -x *dsc && cd quassel-* && dch -i
[13:14] <apachelogger> make sure the version is 0.3.0-0ubuntu7~hardy1~ppa1
[13:14] <apachelogger> ...some funky changelog entry
[13:14] <apachelogger> debuild -S -sa && dput WHATEVERYOURPPAISCALLEDINYOURDPUTCF ../quassel*changes
[13:15] <jussi01> :D
[13:15] <Riddell> kwwii: oh, it doesn't have one
[13:21] <Riddell> mornfall: excellent, hugs to you
[13:21] <Riddell> mornfall: should we sort out the kde4.mk issue so it can be synced?  this is the one we have http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kde4.mk
[13:22] <Riddell> mornfall: it's debian's one from a few months ago plus the stuff at the bottom to generate the translation templates needed by launchpad
[13:22] <Riddell> mornfall: if probably just needs a test for if -e extract-messages.sh
[13:23] <apachelogger> uh
[13:23] <Riddell> but I'm not sure if debian's kde.mk has changed since I did that
[13:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: please reject kde4libs, I just found a patch for Nightrose's kio crash
[13:23] <Nightrose> yay
[13:23] <Nightrose> *hug*
[13:24] <Riddell> done
[13:33] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: darcs send keeps skipping my patch for chaning void souresEditorFinished to void sourcesEditorFinished
[13:36] <ScottK> metellius: We use tar.gz a lot in packaging for Kubuntu, and using ark to inspect inside them without unpacking them is a major part of my personal workflow, so it makes a big difference to me.
[13:37] <ScottK> I'd really been feeling it's absence.
[13:37] <apachelogger> ark doesn't work with tar.gz?
[13:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think he's thanking him for gz support :P
[13:39] <apachelogger> well, yeah, Riddell has to buy metellius a couple of beers @ gudekademy :P
[13:42] <Riddell> ark is now all sorted to ScottK's standards?
[13:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes.  I can uninstall file-roller now.
[13:43] <kwwii> Riddell: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/example-content/ubuntu
[13:44] <Riddell> hugs to metellius
[13:47] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: It might depend on something you are trying not to send -- it's not a problem to send duplicate patches though, so just hit space until you get to the patches you actually want and then start hitting 'y'.
[13:47] <apachelogger> Nightrose: crashing it is no more
[13:47]  * apachelogger waits for pbuilder to finish testbuilding
[13:48]  * Nightrose hands apachelogger a super delicious cookie
[13:48]  * apachelogger munches
[13:49] <Riddell> mornfall: I've added the necessary if to http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/kde4.mk so if you want to use that it goes in debian/cdbs/kde4.mk
[13:50] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: k, sending now
[13:50] <jussi01> apachelogger: sorry, got busy here at work, gonna have to wait on that ppa build
[13:50] <apachelogger> aye aye, maybe I get to it later
[13:51] <metellius> hee hee i feel the love
[13:51] <metellius> makes me a happy coder
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> :]
[14:02] <ScottK> Riddell: If I had to pick one thing to fix right now from the things that have affected me it'd be adept automatically taking the installed version of conffiles and not giving the user a choice.
[14:02] <ScottK> mornfall: I don't suppose there's anything easy we could do with the updater to fix ^^^ is there?
[14:10] <Riddell> that doesn't sound like release freeze material I suspect
[14:11] <ScottK> In my case I disovered that I had a non-functional version of the akonadi apparmor profile installed, thus opening a security hole.
[14:12] <ScottK> It won't affect me greatly because I don't routinely use GUI package management tools, but I think it's a significant issue for those that do.
[14:18] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm guessing it's a safe bet we don't get the media kioslave back at this point?
[14:20] <Riddell> ScottK: no sorry I didn't get a chance to look at it
[14:21] <ScottK> Riddell: I understand.  I'll work on fixing klamav not to care.  It's in Universe, so I've got time.
[14:36] <mornfall> ScottK: You could file a wish for a configuration option to do that.
[14:36] <mornfall> However, it won't land before 3.1 for sure.
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: Oh, I know for sure why the software-properties-kde in debian doesn't work. We had to change the command line args from --no-update to --dont-update in s-p-kde 0.68
[14:38] <JontheEchidna> since KDE4 apps can't use --no as a command line argument it seems
[14:40] <ScottK> mornfall: OK.  Thanks.
[14:44] <ScottK> Riddell: On guidance-power-manager I think I fixed the one remaining frequent crasher last night.  I don't seem to have the hardware to test for sure, but at the very least it shouldn't crash.
[14:54]  * JontheEchidna out to exercise the dog
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: oh, great, want me to review?  if it's simple enough just upload and I'll review in the queue
[14:55] <ScottK> It's already uploaded, just before the freeze.
[14:55] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[14:55] <Riddell> sorted
[15:11] <ScottK> jtechidna: Would you mind sending Bug #277722 upstream?  It's the relevant one for the discussion mornfall and I just had ^^^
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: sure
[15:23] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Thanks.
[15:26] <ScottK> Riddell: I may be able to get kdvi working after all.  Would you still accept it if I get it polished?
[15:27] <ScottK> I think bringing mediamanager back fixed it.
[15:34] <Riddell> ScottK: it did?  yeah if you get it working that's fine for universe
[15:35] <ScottK> OK.  I'll keep working on it then.
[15:35] <ScottK> BTW sorting klamav was a one line patch, so that's good too.
[15:37] <apachelogger> Riddell: kde4libs uploaded
[15:52] <Riddell> ScottK: remind me again what happened with guidance-power-manager and dbus not being there, does it just quit now?
[15:52] <ScottK> Riddell: No.  It hangs around and tries again every 30 seconds.
[15:53] <ScottK> At least that's what I tried to make it do.
[15:53] <Riddell> ScottK: thought so, seems jdong and tedg just had the exact same conversation in #u-d about the other g-p-m
[15:59] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Umm. http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172961
[15:59] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: That's not quite right.
[15:59] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: It *does* *ask*.
[16:00] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: ScottK actually asked it to *not* ask. Or maybe I am all backwards.
[16:00] <ScottK> mornfall: No.  It currently doesn't ask it just takes the installed version.  It needs to ask.
[16:01] <mornfall> You got to be kidding me.
[16:01] <Riddell> ScottK: are you sure those are edited conffiles?
[16:03] <ScottK> Riddell: In my case I'm pretty sure.  Let me see if I can contrive a test where I'm certain.
[16:03] <mornfall> ScottK: Please check terminal output.
[16:03] <Riddell> if needs a package with conf file, and a newer version of the package with an altered version of the conf file
[16:04] <Riddell> and it needs the conf file to be edited before installing the new package version
[16:04] <ScottK> Yep.  I'll try that.
[16:04] <ScottK> mornfall: How do I see terminal output in Adept 3?
[16:04] <mornfall> ScottK: Run it in a terminal.
[16:05] <ScottK> Ah. I understand now.
[16:09] <xerosis_> for what it's worth, I've had adept 3 ask me which version of a conf file to keep
[16:10] <dfiloni> Riddell: ping
[16:10] <Riddell> hi dfiloni
[16:10] <dfiloni> Riddell: I'm trying to build the new beta ok digikam (beta) but it FTBFS with digiKam needs libkdcraw library >= 0.4.0. You need to install libkdcraw first
[16:11] <Riddell> dfiloni: yes, that's fairly typical of digikam
[16:11] <dfiloni> I've installed libkdcraw-dev
[16:12] <dfiloni> Riddell: do you think that this is a problem of the cmake?
[16:13] <dfiloni> PKG_CHECK_MODULES(Kdcraw libkdcraw>=0.4.0)
[16:13] <Riddell> dfiloni: no I think it needs a newer libkdcraw
[16:14] <dfiloni> Riddell: libkdcraw is in kdegraphics as I can see
[16:14] <Riddell> and the new version is only in kdegraphics trunk
[16:16] <dfiloni> Riddell: so, what should we do?
[16:17] <Riddell> dfiloni: if you want to compile digikam, you also need to compile the new libkdcraw
[16:17] <dfiloni> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267182
[16:18] <ScottK> mornfall: Works now.  Sorry for the bother.
[16:18] <mornfall> ScottK: http://web.mornfall.net/stuff/conffile.png
[16:18] <mornfall> Oh
[16:18] <mornfall> .
[16:18] <mornfall> Okey.
[16:18] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^
[16:18] <Riddell> ScottK, mornfall: phew
[16:19] <Riddell> dfiloni: too late for the main archive, if you want to prepare packages for kubuntu-members-kde4 and/or backports I'm sure people would welcome that
[16:19] <dfiloni> Riddell: why not a FFe?
[16:20] <dfiloni> the new beta fixes a lot of bugs
[16:20] <Riddell> dfiloni: because we're past feature freeze and into final freeze
[16:20] <Riddell> dfiloni: if beta 1 is unusably buggy we should remove it like we did with amarok and koffice 2
[16:21] <dfiloni> I've lost emails -.-'
[16:22] <dfiloni> Riddell: so this will be done for jaunty
[16:24] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: invalidate both bugs?
[16:24] <mornfall> Riddell: I have uploaded beta4.
[16:24] <mornfall> It should fix the installer.
[16:25] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  Having show details is still a reasonable feature request, it's just less critical than I thought it was.
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> well I'll invalidate the upstream one since it really is wrong
[16:26] <JontheEchidna> and file a new, more generic one for show details
[16:26] <ScottK> Thanks.  Sorry for the confusion.
[16:27] <Riddell> mornfall: you rock
[16:27] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: We still lack the show the diff option.  That might be useful to mention somewhere too.
[16:27]  * JontheEchidna didn't know you could show a diff for conf files
[16:28] <ScottK> That's what apt will do for you.
[16:29] <JontheEchidna> pretty neat
[16:31] <mornfall> Yes, I have intended to embed a kompare base3 view or somesuch, as an option.
[16:31] <mornfall> But that's a little far off the horizon.
[16:31] <mornfall> For now.
[16:31] <mornfall> Please hit hard on beta4 in the meantime and I'll try to fix bugs if any appear.
[16:31] <mornfall> But only real showstoppers this time.
[16:33] <JontheEchidna> beta4 is in incoming now, /me builds
[16:43] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: you can fetch package lists in read-only mode, which crashes adept
[16:55] <txwikinger> ScottK: Is there a bug for the ichthux problem?
[16:55] <ScottK> txwikinger: No.
[16:55] <txwikinger> ok.. I will create one and upload the debdiff
[16:55] <ScottK> txwikinger: Just need to remove kio-sword because it's non-working.
[16:56] <txwikinger> Well.. I did that, but the germinator found some other packages that need tobe removed too
[16:56] <txwikinger> And I found another small bug
[16:56] <ScottK> OK.
[16:57] <ScottK> txwikinger: sword-text-* depend on kio-sword too, so something will need to be done with those.
[16:57] <txwikinger> I don't think I saw dependencies there.. I have another look
[16:59] <ScottK> txwikinger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58405/
[17:00] <txwikinger> well, it is a alternative depend
[17:01] <txwikinger> sword | kio-sword | bibletime or something like that
[17:01] <txwikinger> and it is in suggest
[17:02]  * txwikinger thinks he needs to take over maintainership of all those packages in debian anyway
[17:02] <txwikinger> the current maintainer seems to be MIA
[17:02] <ScottK> OK.  I think that's OK then.
[17:04] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Right, regression.
[17:04] <mornfall> -        m_updateAct->setEnabled( d.db.writeable() );
[17:04] <mornfall> My bad.
[17:05] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Fixed locally.
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> we could fix that with an beta4ubuntu1 version
[17:05] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: ^
[17:07] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You can pull from my repo to get the fix.
[17:07] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I wouldn't call that critical though.
[17:07] <mornfall> Can be fixed later with other bits that accumulate.
[17:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah, most people would quit and restart when they saw the needs root notice
[17:09] <Riddell> JontheEchidna, mornfall: otherwise good to sync?
[17:10] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You generally don't have a menu-ish way to run it as non-root anyway, I think.
[17:10] <JontheEchidna> yeah, you'd have to run it from the console and really not know what you're doing to trigger it. :P
[17:11] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think so
[17:12] <txwikinger> ScottK: Do you have a link to the build fail log for kio-sword?
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: well, if the kde4.mk stuff is all squared away
[17:13] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Oh, have you confirmed that the window expansion is fixed?
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: yes :)
[17:15] <ScottK> txwikinger: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/kio-sword/0.3-0ubuntu2
[17:15] <txwikinger> ScottK: Thanks
[17:17] <mornfall> Awesome.
[17:21] <txwikinger> ScottK: Bug #284497
[17:21] <ScottK> Riddell: In other news, I've reviewed the bug reports we got and all reported regressions/new problems on KDE 3.5.10 are fixed.  It also fixes at least one outstanding bug.  Details in Bug #261840.  How long do you want to age it before copying?
[17:22] <ScottK> txwikinger: Looking
[17:24] <ScottK> txwikinger: I think moving the seed location deserves a mention in debian/changelog.  Other than that looks good.  If you'll update that, I'll sponsor it.
[17:24] <txwikinger> Ok.. thanks
[17:32] <Riddell> ScottK: so I should do the copy now?
[17:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Your call.  I think it's good.
[17:33] <ScottK> We can blame awen if it's not.  He did most of the fixing and he's not here right now.
[17:34] <ScottK> Riddell: If you do it, I think it deserves a mention on kubuntu.org and planet KDE.
[17:37] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: didja see the adept ftbfs?
[17:38] <JontheEchidna> seems cdbs related
[17:44] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: I haven't included kde4.mk in beta4, so could just be that.
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: we forgot to add cdbs and a depends, I think
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> build-depends
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> since we store our kde4.mk in the cdbs package
[17:45] <mornfall> It does build-depend on cdbs.
[17:46] <mornfall> Riddell had patches to make it use kde4.mk and also build-dep on quilt which is needed for that.
[17:46] <mornfall> IIRC.
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> could be a bad merge
[17:48] <ScottK> May as well fix the read only bug while you're at it then.
[17:48] <JontheEchidna> Riddell did: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept
[17:53] <JontheEchidna> hmm, it does depend on cdbs but the build still fails
[17:54] <Riddell> needs quilt I expect
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> oh, yeah
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> that did get lost
[17:56] <Riddell> silly me, fix uploaded
[17:57] <JontheEchidna> :)
[17:59] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: You  should have just pulled from Riddell's repo, it'd merge cleanly I understand.
[17:59] <mornfall> Oh, maybe not.
[17:59] <mornfall> I modified build-depends as well.
[17:59] <mornfall> Aah.
[18:13] <ScottK> Any CDBS debian/rules masters handy who can help me figure something out?
[18:17] <ScottK> If so, Please look at http://kitterman.com/test/kdvi_3.5.10-0ubuntu1.dsc - I'm trying to remove all the non-kdvi docs from the doc package and failing.  Suggestions please.
[18:20] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ is the one thing keeping me from having kdvi ready to upload.
[18:20] <jussi01> heya lads and ladies: Im a bit tipsy, but I noticed yesterday that in intrepid the nvidia 177 drivers and their config util is missing a dep - package kit it seems - you may want to have a look
[18:20] <jussi01> try running the nvidia config util, then writing the changes to x
[18:20] <jussi01> it crashes
[18:21] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: (Hammer hammer hammer. Adept, that is. Or even better, recruit people with hammers. *g* I have to go now for a while. I'll be around tomorrow, maybe later in the evening. Thanks for cooperation. And to Riddell, too. See you around.)
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: blogging should bring some attention to people with hammers, so I blogged about it ;)
[18:22] <mornfall> Great. I should, too, I guess. TA.
[18:22]  * JontheEchidna will be away until wedensday
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> starting tomorrow
[18:22] <jussi01> !hammertime-#ubuntu-offtopic
[18:23] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[18:32] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: open adept, hit upgrade while there are no upgrade available, fetch lists, upgrade is still greyed out
[18:34] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Actually, it could be fairly OK -- I think it would list the upgrades if you hit upgrade and then fetch lists would bring some in.
[18:35] <mornfall> Ah, hmm, no.
[18:35] <mornfall> Interesting.
[18:35] <mornfall> Ah, I understand.
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> it would be nice if upgrades were found it could automatically take you to the changes view with the upgrades marked, sorta like in updater
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> well, sorta like when you open updater and upgrades are available
[18:41] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Btw. for beta5 I'd accept a patch to fix the button layout on the "Sources" tab.
[18:41] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Maybe adding some explanatory text even in the case the software-properties-kde binary is available.
[18:42] <jussi01> mornfall: while I have you here, is there a reason that adept always starts so small?
[18:42] <mornfall> jussi01: Not that I know of. I have a tiling WM, so I wouldn't notice. : - ( Fixes welcome.
[18:43]  * JontheEchidna puts that on his todo list too^
[18:45] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you are quoted in the latest issue of linuxuser ;-)
[18:45] <Nightrose> apachelogger: OMGOMGOMG
[18:45] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:45] <Nightrose> the one about userbase?
[18:45] <apachelogger> yus
[18:46] <Nightrose> nice
[18:47] <apachelogger> still
[18:47] <apachelogger> sebas got the interview :P
[18:47] <apachelogger> interview > quote
[18:48]  * Arby finally has a free evening for some kubuntu time
[18:48] <ScottK> apachelogger: Can you do some CDBS ninja'ing for me?
[18:48] <Arby> anything in need of some love?
[18:48] <Nightrose> apachelogger: meh
[18:48] <Nightrose> too bad ;-)
[18:48] <Nightrose> Arby: always :P
[18:48] <Nightrose> Arby: quick
[18:48] <apachelogger> Arby: cdbs apparently ;-)
[18:48] <Nightrose> fix everything
[18:48] <Arby> Nightrose: well yes
[18:49] <apachelogger> ScottK: what seems to be the problem?
[18:49] <Arby> my cdbs is very weak
[18:49] <Arby> maybe I should have been more specific
[18:49] <ScottK> apachelogger: 	In http://kitterman.com/test/kdvi_3.5.10-0ubuntu1.dsc (which is really kdegraphics from 3.5.10) I'm trying to remove all the non-kdvi docs from the doc package and failing.
[18:50] <ScottK> That's all that stands between me and mashing the upload button.  The package itself works great.
[18:53] <apachelogger> ScottK: there is no kdvi-doc-html package at all
[18:53] <apachelogger> eh
[18:53] <apachelogger> .install I mean
[19:01] <ScottK> apachelogger: Yes, but somehow magically CDBS shoves everything into it.
[19:08] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hm. Would you mind fixing the about dialog to say beta 4 and reupload? : - ]
[19:09] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: sure, that would be sorta inconvenient for the bug reporting feature now wouldn't it :P
[19:09] <mornfall> Right. : - )
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> got a codename in mind?
[19:10] <JontheEchidna> Caffeine, maybe? :P
[19:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll need to do a testbuild, cdbs doesn't do anything with the installing, it's really dh_install
[19:11] <mornfall> JontheEchidna: Hah. I think the freeciv naval units series ended with Battleship duh?
[19:11] <mornfall> And I don't think there's any bigger, better and heftier ship in freeciv than that.
[19:11] <mornfall> Hmmmmmm.
[19:11] <JontheEchidna> ha, actually I've never played freeciv actually
[19:12] <mornfall> The codenames started with Trireme, IIRC.
[19:12]  * mornfall thinks hard.
[19:12] <mornfall> Codenames are fun.
[19:12] <mornfall> Hm.
[19:13] <mornfall> What about making it Sheldon?
[19:13] <mornfall> Big Bang Theory characters could work for a while.
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> sounds good to me
[19:14] <mornfall> Go for it, then. I guess Leonard gets the RC and Leslie the Final. *grin*
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: have you reuploaded with the quilt fix yet? It hasn't shown up in LP as of now
[19:16] <JontheEchidna> if not I can whip up beta4ubuntu2 with the quilt build-dep and the about dialog version bump
[19:29] <mornfall> (a link to adept homepage from blogs is always appreciated, btw... I'm always in for better google pageranks: I already hit first page on "adept" too, which is good. And I really disappear now.)
[19:29] <fabrice_sp> Hi. I was waiting for an upstream feedback for bug #271016, but it has been closed, disabling kde support. Should I open another bug report to apply the solution given by upstream?
[19:30] <Arby> ok, I have several kdepim bugs from the same user. all >6months old, all crash reports with no other information
[19:30] <Arby> no response to requests for info in 3 weeks
[19:30] <Arby> is it safe to do a mass closing as invalid?
[19:40] <JontheEchidna> Arby: usually they're closed at 4 weeks or a few days short of 4 weeks
[19:41] <Arby> JontheEchidna: hmm, I guess I wait a few more days then
[19:41] <Arby> that type of bug just irritates me.
[19:41] <Arby> they're completely useless noise
[19:41] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that's why it's sometimes a few days short of 4 weeks \o/
[19:41] <Arby> :)
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> fabrice_sp: upstream had a better solution?
[19:43] <JontheEchidna> fabrice_sp: it doesn't really matter though, you could file a new report or reopen that one
[19:48] <fabrice_sp> JontheEchidna: Upstream point me to Fedora Rawhide solution, dropping ICal support
[19:48] <apachelogger> ScottK: s/debian\/tmp/debian\/kdvi-doc-html/g
[19:48] <apachelogger> that should take care of it
[19:49] <JontheEchidna> fabrice_sp: hmm, I seem to remember that we had to patch out iCal support for --no-kde-support anyway
[19:49] <apachelogger> HTML gets in fact generated by CDBS
[19:51] <fabrice_sp> JontheEchidna: I'll check the Fedora patch, but anyway, it's tool late for Intrepid, right?
[19:51] <JontheEchidna> fabrice_sp: maybe not if we act quickly enough
[19:55] <fabrice_sp> JontheEchidna: it's a  huge patch: http://cvs.fedora.redhat.com/viewvc/devel/taskjuggler/taskjuggler-2.4.1-no-kdepim3.patch?revision=1.1&view=markup
[19:56] <fabrice_sp> I'll try to apply it to my local version of taskjuggler
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> holy crap, I am so thankful for cmake
[19:56] <JontheEchidna> configure scripts == eww
[19:57] <fabrice_sp> yeah :-)
[20:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: debian/kdvi-doc-html/usr/share/doc ...
[20:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes
[20:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks.
[20:32] <apachelogger> you're welcome
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> JontheEchidna: by the way, if the patch is successful (still building in pbuilder), should I fill a FFe?
[21:00] <ScottK> fabrice_sp: Are you fixing a bug or adding a feature?  Taskjuggler is in Universe, so the archive isn't frozen yet.
[21:01] <fabrice_sp> ScottK: I'm restoring kde support to taskjuggler (drop to solve bug #271016). Upstream gave another solution to fix the same bug, keeping kde support
[21:04] <ScottK> Sounds like a bug fix to me then.  No FFe needed, just a MOTU willing to sponsor it.
[21:05] <fabrice_sp> ScottK: ok. Thanks!
[21:05] <Walrusse> Hello everyone. There is a problem with oxygen theme in Intrepid ; checkboxes, radio buttons and such are not transparent (grey background), and are way too big when used in Firefox (these seem to be used everywhere in gtk apps in Kubuntu)
[21:06] <Walrusse> I'm just looking for the right package to submit a bugreport to, it's not directly related to Firefox, but to gtk-qt link (and Hardy had a similar problem with those buttons getting all grey when the focus was on it, still not solved)
[21:08] <DaSkreech> mornfall: Whoot. New Adept :)
[21:14] <Walrusse> I noticed that the qt-gtk theme changed during this week, it that can help
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> Walrusse: see bug 223274, bug  211622
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> been known since hardy, but upstream seems to have lost time to develop it :(
[21:24] <Walrusse> problem is it's not the case anymore. Behaviour has changed since Beta
[21:27] <Walrusse> so the bug would be in the gtk-qt-engine, or in the theme itself ?
[21:27] <JontheEchidna> hmm, I hadn't noticed any change, but I haven't logged out for a while...
[21:28] <ScottK> Riddell: kdvi is sitting in source New waiting for your loving attention.
[21:30] <ScottK> apachelogger: ^^ Your change did the trick.  Thanks again.
[21:34] <Walrusse> I know that there was new packages of oxygen-cursor-theme , kde-icons-oxygen and gtk-qt-engine two or three days ago in Intrepid repositories
[21:34] <Walrusse> that's about when I noticed a different behaviour
[21:36] <ScottK> Walrusse: IIRC there was a recent change where the dependencies were lightened.  You ought to check your logs and see if you removed any unneeded packages about that time.
[21:39] <Walrusse> ScottK: and these should not have been autoremoved by apt ?
[21:39] <fabrice_sp> JontheEchidna: I created bug #284629 for that. I'll continue tomorrow (I'm getting compilation errors)
[21:40] <Walrusse> hmmm, there seems to be a new gtk-qt-engine out , we'll see what it does :-)
[21:41] <Walrusse> :-( doesn't change much, same huge buttons and checkboxes
[21:43] <Walrusse> I'll fill in a bug report with more complete info, and we'll see what could or could not be done, thanks for your help  !
[21:47] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[21:47] <DaSkreech> Just did an update via the Konsole and Adept popped up to let me know I had to reboot :)
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> where can I get the latest daily isos?
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> my dad wants to try Intrepid but he has an e1000e ethernet card in his new lappy
[21:53] <DaSkreech> cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> thx
[21:53] <DaSkreech> or daily-live if you want a live Cd
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> would be preferrable ;)
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> He's trying Intrepid cuz Fedora 9 was being "abysmal"
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> in his own words
[21:55] <DaSkreech> ok
[21:55] <DaSkreech> by what standards?
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, he didn't say
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> he's outside with the dog at the moment actually, lol
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> He's used Red Hat since version 5 or so
[21:56] <DaSkreech> KDE?
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> yes
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> because it looked the most like CDE
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[22:01] <DaSkreech> Ha ha
[22:01] <DaSkreech> Well yeah Fedora shipped with KDE 4.0 and have no plans to update to 4.1
[22:01] <DaSkreech> So they might have a bit of issues
[22:01] <DaSkreech> I forget if they have KDE3 on the repos
[22:01] <DaSkreech> so he may be missing a lot of stuff
[22:01] <DaSkreech> I think I know why XMPP crashes kopete
[22:06] <JontheEchidna> haha, he couldn't get networking working due to the GTK network conf tool XD
[22:06]  * JontheEchidna goes to eat
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> Heh, so Fedora failed to detect both his wireless and wired ethernet, and the network configuration tool don't work
[22:14] <JontheEchidna> and man, KDE 4.0.3 looks archaic D:
[22:17] <ScottK> Walrusse: If you told it to do autoremove, they would have been autoremoved.
[22:27] <a|wen> g'evening folks
[22:31] <ScottK> Good evening.
[22:31] <ScottK> a|wen: I've recommended to Riddell that he pocket copy 3.5.10 into hardy-updates.  Thanks again for all your work on that.
[22:35] <a|wen> ScottK: i'd be confident in that too; i tried to hunt down some kde3.5.10 bugs we hadn't seen in LP earlier to day, but couldn't find any ... no problem, glad to help out
[22:43] <Riddell> ScottK: oh yes, let's give that a shot
[22:43] <ScottK> Riddell: Which? kdvi or kde3.5.10
[22:44] <Riddell> both :)
[22:44] <ScottK> Excellent.
[22:44] <a|wen> :)
[22:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you going to demote kdeartwork?
[22:46] <Riddell> ScottK: should I?
[22:46] <ScottK> It can't go in Main due to the new depends, so I'd say better in Universe than leave it in backports.
[22:46] <ScottK> Universe is at least enabled by default.
[22:47]  * ScottK needs to head out.  Be back in several hours.
[22:47] <Riddell> ciao
[22:47] <a|wen> see you
[22:48]  * a|wen finally got my intrepid vm working on the laptop, so am ready to test/fix/whatever :)
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> I think my dad likes Intrepid so far :]
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> he hates kickoff though, lol
[22:49] <JontheEchidna> he was very happy wireless worked out of the box
[22:52] <DaSkreech> JontheEchidna: It is
[23:08] <Riddell> for asdf in kdeaccessibility kdeaddons kdeadmin kdebase kdebindings kdeedu kdegames kdegraphics kdemultimedia kdenetwork kdepim kdesdk kdetoys kdeutils kdewebdev kdevelop; do echo yes | copy-package.py -s hardy-backports --to-suite=hardy-updates -b ${asdf}; done
[23:08] <Riddell> there they go
[23:13] <ScottK> Riddell: kicker-taskbar-compiz too
[23:18] <a|wen> Riddell: as ScottK says ... and also looks like you're missing kdelibs and arts from the list on bug 261840
[23:27] <Riddell> super, all done, thanks ScottK and a|wen
[23:29] <apachelogger> \o/
[23:29]  * apachelogger hugs ScottK and a|wen
[23:29] <a|wen> perfect :) ... and Riddell, you did "something" to kdeartwork as well?
[23:30] <a|wen> *hug* > apachelogger
[23:37] <apachelogger> hm, no new news in austrian sports apparently
[23:38]  * apachelogger reads about bad football results, druged cyclists, still-no-austrian in forumal 1 and hockey league got a new (yet as bad) campion
[23:39] <rgreening> lol
[23:41] <rgreening> Riddell: ping-ping
[23:42] <apachelogger> hm "rooney almost did a solo run win against the belarussian football team", sounds like belarus might have a team the austrian one could win against
[23:43] <rgreening> Riddell: did the plasmoid stuff get in under the wire?
[23:59] <jtechidna> Riddell: argh, I forgot to give you the stuff bumping the adept version number in the about data