=== ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Oct 12:00: Ubuntu Mobile Team | 16 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team | 16 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 16 Oct 20:00: EMEA Membership Board | 16 Oct 23:00: Americas Membership Board | 17 Oct 19:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC === emma is now known as joe-the-plumber === joe-the-plumber is now known as emma === asac_ is now known as asac === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Mobile Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Oct 13:00: Desktop Team | 16 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 16 Oct 20:00: EMEA Membership Board | 16 Oct 23:00: Americas Membership Board | 17 Oct 19:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC [13:00] #startmeeting [13:00] Meeting started at 07:00. The chair is lool. [13:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:00] hey folks [13:00] moop [13:00] visiting last weeks action items [13:00] [topic] ogra to make sure a quirk or a blacklist entry is prepared to fix Q1U's wifi [13:00] New Topic: ogra to make sure a quirk or a blacklist entry is prepared to fix Q1U's wifi [13:00] Oh wait [13:00] [topic] roll call [13:00] New Topic: roll call [13:01] well, forwarded to amitk who currently dies under load [13:01] heh [13:02] So who do we ahve? [13:02] StevenK: hey [13:02] * StevenK waves [13:02] davidm: you here? [13:02] [topic] ogra to make sure a quirk or a blacklist entry is prepared to fix Q1U's wifi [13:02] New Topic: ogra to make sure a quirk or a blacklist entry is prepared to fix Q1U's wifi [13:02] 14:01 < ogra> well, forwarded to amitk who currently dies under load [13:02] ogra: What's the bug again? [13:02] LP # [13:03] not sure we have one [13:03] We need one [13:03] * ogra quickly files one [13:03] Please milestone for intrepid [13:03] amitk: hey [13:03] amitk: we were discussing ath5k/madwifi on q1u [13:03] amitk: Is any lp # open for this? [13:04] lool: no lp # AFAIK. I am short of time on debugging this. [13:04] amitk: Should we look at assigning someone to the bug, perhaps someone not busy like you are with lpia/iwl3945, to make sure we get it for intrepid? [13:04] amitk: At this point, I'd say we should give up debug of ath5k and just use madwifi for the q1u's pci id [13:04] lool i am here [13:05] hey davidm [13:05] lool: Just file a bug. Tim is going to do a wireless backport very soon that should fix some of ath5k's problems. [13:05] amitk: ogra is filing one as we speak [13:05] that is why I stopped looking at it. ath5k in 2.6.27 has known deficiencies. [13:06] amitk: I also got some aufs issues when fs is full with the new aufs, but didn't reproduce reliably [13:06] but I'm only mentionning this to try to make your brain explode [13:06] will file a bug if I reproduce [13:06] bug 284354 [13:07] Launchpad bug 284354 in linux "ignore ath5k on samsung Q1" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284354 [13:07] thanks ogra [13:07] lool: very few fs handle getting full reliably :) [13:07] lool: if you try too hard, my brain will go into shutdown [13:07] amitk: Note that I filed the fs, then freed some space, and it remained broken [13:07] amitk: ah, thermal protection [13:08] ogra: + also affects linux-lpia [13:08] * ogra adds [13:08] (added) [13:09] meh [13:09] LP moans [13:09] [topic] persia to make sure lpia/mid installs with trunk versions of seeds and ubiquty [13:09] New Topic: persia to make sure lpia/mid installs with trunk versions of seeds and ubiquty [13:09] persia: so these were uploaded as well I think [13:09] lool: ok. that should probably be an upstream aufs bug. [13:09] Yeah, that's been working since last Thursday. [13:09] Well, there were some broken days, but not mid-specific. [13:09] persia: I had reports of things going wrong on CB with daily MID of a couple of days ago, but couldn't reproduce these particular issues [13:10] I think it was because of prior partitioning confusing partman [13:10] lool, In a way that things didn't go wrong on i386? [13:10] I personally crashed due to kernel lockup no high IDE load [13:10] s/no/on [13:10] Yeah, there's little ubiquity or debian-installer components can do about that. [13:10] And I heard from StevenK that he installed fine at the beginning of the week [13:11] That was on my Jax [13:11] Good [13:11] So, that's done, thanks; moving on [13:11] (but please continue testing and filing bugs as appropriate) [13:11] [topic] StevenK to make sure lpia-lrm reaches archive and is installable [13:11] New Topic: StevenK to make sure lpia-lrm reaches archive and is installable [13:11] lool: I tested the install on my Q1 before the Jax, that worked even better [13:11] StevenK: great [13:12] lool: That was done before the meeting finished, I think [13:12] It's moot, anyway, we're waiting for -4 [13:12] Plus linux-firmware integration. [13:12] Ok; does that make it in the dailies? [13:12] Yes [13:13] livecd-rootfs install linux-lpia [13:13] amitk: What's eta for getting latest linux and lrm bits in the lpia flavors? [13:13] s/all/alls/ [13:14] lool: i suspect after the critical bug list is squashed. So not this week. [13:14] amitk: aha [13:14] [topic] amitk - any kernel issues? [13:14] That worries me a little [13:14] New Topic: amitk - any kernel issues? [13:14] amitk: (that's from agenda) [13:14] amitk: So anything else kernel related for intrepid? [13:15] meta needs to be changed to add linux-firmware [13:15] StevenK: It does worry me as well; that said, we have a general issue about merging linux/linux-lpia [13:15] Keeping the trees in sync will remain on the shoulders of the ubuntu kernel team whether we get new linux-lpia/lrm-lpia or not [13:15] What matters is that we release with working images [13:16] amitk: lpia-meta? [13:16] there is one major change in the tree right now - uvesafb -> vesafb [13:16] lool: yes [13:16] amitk: If this is intrepid-critical, pelase file a bug with milestone [13:17] amitk: severity >= high, milestone 8.10, nominate for intrepid [13:17] There were *lots* of uvesafb issues. Moving to vesafb would be nice. [13:17] I can say that the current dailies boot on CB, jax10, and Q1U; need to retest kvm [13:18] lool: BenC will look at it (or already has). I will just rebase lpia tree on top of it. [13:18] I have no wifi on jax10 and q1u [13:18] That's odd. [13:18] Wifi works on my Q! [13:18] amitk: Unless this happens as we speak, I'd be more confortable with a milestoned bug [13:18] Er, Q1 [13:18] for now, ath5k should be blacklisted (unfortunately) until backports is available [13:19] amitk, generally ? [13:19] I've finally discovered which driver the Jax needs [13:19] ogra: for lpia [13:19] ah [13:19] StevenK, Something includable short-term, or a release note? [13:19] The driver is included [13:19] It's firmware for it that's problematic [13:20] StevenK: yeah.. jax needs sd8686 firmware or libertas or some combination thereof [13:20] Is there anything I can help with when it comes to binaries for Jax? [13:20] libertas_sdio is in the kernel as a module [13:20] [action] amitk to make sure we get new meta{,-lpia} pulling linux-firmware or file a milestoned bug for intrepid release [13:20] ACTION received: amitk to make sure we get new meta{,-lpia} pulling linux-firmware or file a milestoned bug for intrepid release [13:20] the problem is that we can't redistribute sd8686 firmware. [13:21] I'd prefer the bug to make release team aware of this action being needed, but if what matters is that it gets done :) [13:22] pff gnome-keyring has locked my screen with two modal dialogs [13:22] fun [13:22] [topic] persia to write spec for jaunty on providing iso images or vm support or how to write mobile images for end users [13:22] New Topic: persia to write spec for jaunty on providing iso images or vm support or how to write mobile images for end users [13:22] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-iso-images is registered, but not drafted [13:23] thanks [13:23] Ok; moving to current items [13:23] basically status reports and blockers for intrepid [13:23] [topic] amitk's status [13:23] New Topic: amitk's status [13:23] amitk: Hey anything else you'd like to mention on intrepid or blocking your work? [13:24] amitk: Perhaps you need a delivery of coffee to stay up all nights? ;-) [13:24] * lool think we need more amitks [13:25] in finland day is night anyway [13:25] I'm happy to provide heavy metal to keep amitk and his neighbours awake [13:25] StevenK: Correction, wifi works on Q1U now; was the password not being recorded properly [13:25] ian_brasil: and night is night sadly [13:25] Ok, I guess amitk is actually busy doing stuff [13:26] [topic] StevenK's status [13:26] New Topic: StevenK's status [13:26] StevenK: wazzup [13:26] I have been distracted by my Jax [13:26] My plan for tomorrow is to fix Contacts and then look at release bugs [13:27] StevenK: If you poke contacts, would be nice to investigate why dates doesn't have icons; installing hildonèicons doesn't help [13:27] I suspect it's a theme path issue in some env var or some such [13:27] lool: File a bug and assign it to me? :-) [13:27] StevenK: anything blocking your work? any intrepid critical bugs you'd like to mention? [13:29] StevenK: (bug filed and assigned) [13:29] lool: Nope [13:29] [topic] persia's status [13:29] New Topic: persia's status [13:30] persia: w0àt [13:30] *w00t even [13:30] Well, the installer works. I still need someone to push lp:~persia/casper/trunk, but so far nobody seems very interested. [13:30] I am! [13:30] I'm sure StevenK is as well [13:30] * persia is happy about renewed enthusiasm [13:31] We're in freeze though, blah will need approval [13:31] I still have no networking on my D4 (wired, USB wired, USB wireless, built-in SDIO wireless), so my testing is a bit cramped. [13:31] persia: Can you poke me tomorrow on merigng this branch and uploading? [13:31] Other than that, things are good. [13:31] I'd like to continue chasing xorg stuff today [13:31] lool, Sure, happy to poke you about it :) [13:32] persia: Weird that you don't get usb wired [13:32] umm... sorry. was filing bug for linux-lpia-meta [13:32] amitk: thanks [13:32] nothing new to report here [13:32] Yeah. The adapter shows up, but I can't get it to actually carry a signal : it always fails DHCP. [13:32] amitk: Ok, thanks for confirming === mdz_ is now known as mdz [13:32] How to get the touchscreen going on the Jax would be good, too [13:33] persia: Here NM picks it up after the module gets autoloaded when I plug it, and manages to connect just fine [13:33] StevenK: Can you spend time with ogra to chase this? [13:33] ogra has good touchscreen overview and is in contact with upstream but has no jax10 [13:33] right [13:33] I sent the package list to lool. I'm not sure of the licensing on the touch driver though [13:33] SeteenK unlikely [13:34] davidm: Perhaps it's close enough to an existing touchscreen that we can get it to work with some poking [13:34] license does not work currently [13:34] cgregan: We'd like to get a free driver for it working [13:34] we need to be careful since OEM team had customer version [13:34] lool: Hmmm....I will ask around to see if anything ever came close to working [13:35] cgregan: Using the proprietary version is only possible for people having access to it :-/ it's ok for Canonical employees as a fallback though [13:35] cgregan: If you have any info, that's great; poke ogra and StevenK if you do :) [13:35] davidm, the question is if we can get the kernel side to work with any free driver, the Xorg side should be possible to cover as long as input events come in [13:35] true [13:35] [topic] lool's status [13:35] New Topic: lool's status [13:35] Even just clear instructions would be good. Many users have reported that they can download incompatible drivers from their original SW vendors. [13:36] poked xorg / psb stuff this week; helped OEM and desktop teams as well [13:36] nothing particular to report; I'm chasing Xvfb not coming up on some arches [13:36] Which breaks builds using xvfb-run [13:37] But I don't have the hardware, and qemu-system-sparc and -ppc don't work as much as I'd like [13:37] I have other small universe bugs to tackle before release as well [13:37] [topic] ogra's status [13:37] New Topic: ogra's status [13:37] ogra: What's up [13:37] * evtouch [13:37] * added a bunch of new .fdi files [13:37] * supports six device classes now [13:37] * changed install location and sequence numbers of .fdi files [13:37] * open issues: bug 222164 [13:37] * lots of ltsp cleanup [13:37] Launchpad bug 222164 in xf86-input-evtouch "evtouch works incorrectly when the screen is left or right rotated" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/222164 [13:37] * worked out fixes to the new logout model of gnome desktop [13:37] * merged in all upstram changes into intrepid packages [13:37] * hunted down several ldm UI bugs [13:37] * fixed various regressions vs hardy [13:37] * adjusted ubuntu-mobile-default-settings to new artwork naming scheme [13:37] * tried to get linux-lpia over its abi check bound FTBFS [13:37] * worked on various distro related release bugs [13:37] * fixed pm-utils to ignore blacklisted modules on resume [13:38] * hal-info Q1 keyboard mapping merged upstream [13:38] * general ubuntu-mobile image tests [13:38] * bluetooth 4.x tests (3 out of four devices work now here) [13:38] * various Xorg related tasks (bug hunting etc) [13:38] :) [13:38] cool; could you copy that to email as well? :) [13:38] thanks for the details [13:38] lool, already sent :) [13:39] thanks [13:39] [topic] cgregan's status [13:39] New Topic: cgregan's status [13:39] cgregan: if you like :) [13:39] :-) [13:39] The biggest item is hiring [13:40] I have a new tester starting in Lexington so I should have more time for helping out here [13:40] Candidates for QA jobs at Canonical, poke cgregan! [13:40] cgregan: Ok; anything intrepid critical or any blocker you'd like to mention? [13:40] No intrepid related issues yet [13:41] we are still based on Hardy in OEM [13:41] Okay [13:41] [topic] davidm's status [13:41] New Topic: davidm's status [13:41] davidm: w00t [13:41] davidm: We would like lots of details, very long phrases to type with your tiny kbd muaahahah [13:41] working on 945 bug [13:42] reviewed resumes for qa position [13:42] review SoW issues [13:43] and now no lappy....... [13:43] off tomorrow swap day [13:43] done [13:43] thanks [13:43] Any other business for today? [13:43] * lool pokes around [13:44] * ogra feels tickled [13:44] It's soon my birthday, you're welcome to send me gifts! [13:44] just to focus on Intrep bugs please Jax and others can wait [13:44] And don't forget thanksgiving and xmas [13:44] haha [13:44] Ok; thanks everybody [13:44] * cgregan heads to amazon.fr [13:44] #endmeeting [13:44] Meeting finished at 07:44. [13:45] cgregan: heh just kidding! :) [13:45] :-) [13:45] I was lying, my birthday was almost a year ago [13:45] hehe....mine too! [13:46] haha the desktop folks didn't have a chance to press our meeting this week [13:58] ah, my interweb tube works again, right on time [14:00] hey pitti === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 16 Oct 20:00: EMEA Membership Board | 16 Oct 23:00: Americas Membership Board | 17 Oct 19:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC [14:03] my internets appear to be broken too [14:03] wiki just took ages to load up [14:03] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2008-10-16 [14:04] * mvo waves [14:04] ah, Ken [14:04] nice of you to join us ;) [14:04] it didn't break at home, somewhere in the middle [14:04] sorry, kid was screaming [14:04] no outstanding actions from last meeting [14:04] so let's jump straight into Ken's agenda items [14:04] kwwii: Status of splitting of gnome-themes package [14:05] Keybuk: sooo...I was supposed to check up on this and report back [14:05] we need to figure out how to get that done :-) [14:05] will shipit send out rust converter with the CDs for the desktop ? :) [14:06] seb128, mvo: any news? [14:06] and/or plans? [14:06] not from my side [14:06] honestly [14:06] today is too late for making changes like this [14:06] kwwii: Are you talking about the prompt for upgrade? [14:06] not from mine either, but as said the changes are easy to do if required [14:06] tedg: nope, I am talking about the gnome-theme package now [14:07] so, that's about shipping some themes in a new package, poke it through unpproved and NEW, and change the seeds to only pull in gnome-themes-thosewelove? [14:07] * Keybuk puts the brakes on [14:07] guys [14:07] we are in release freeze [14:07] the discussion on listed showed no strong reason to do that this cycle though if we have no other theme to list instead, especially than some users still run ugly themes because they are not so slow [14:07] splitting packages and changing seeds is something that should have been done weeks ago [14:07] Keybuk++; [14:07] the point is to remove everything but the high-contrast themes (putting the others in another package for upgraders) [14:07] Can that not be done? It's non-ideal for other flavours [14:08] Keybuk: well, sabdfl wanted this done and we did talk about it weeks ago [14:08] (because of the package split, and tracking that) [14:08] persia: other flavor can still depends on gnome-theme if required [14:08] kwwii: sabdfl has not talked to me about it [14:08] so I do not consider it a priority [14:08] Keybuk: erm, it was discussed by quite a few people [14:08] honestly the change is quick to do, the hard part is to decide on the naming [14:08] kwwii: yes, I'm aware of the discussion [14:08] the point is that the discussion took too long [14:08] it's now too late to do for this release [14:09] Seb should handle 2.24.1, so I'm ok with doing the split; shouldn't take more than two hours [14:09] you may continue the discussion and decide what to do for jaunty [14:09] Keybuk: ok, so I can tell mark that you veto'd it? [14:09] yes [14:09] the fact that today is release freeze veto'd it [14:09] ok, that wraps up that then [14:10] I honestly do not think he will be happy with that but I can live with that as well [14:10] the other agenda items I brought up have been taken care of already [14:10] he still has his super cow powers to force such a change [14:10] I get to tell mark "no" three times [14:10] let's not create issues over that, the changes are easy if he really wants that [14:11] ogra: this change should have been done weeks ago [14:11] kwwii, i know [14:11] seb128: if they are easy, why have they not yet been done? [14:11] but the d in sabdfl gives him the extra power if he feels strongly for it [14:11] If they are changed, please verify that it works with Ubuntu Studio, Ubuntu Mobile, and Edubuntu before uploading. [14:11] Keybuk: because there was no real point to do this change so we started a discussion on why on the list [14:12] seb128: hasn't it been discussed in the past 2 meetings? [14:12] I'm strongly concerned that there are hidden repercussions here [14:12] persia: exactly. [14:12] and after release freeze is not the time to find them o ut [14:13] persia: gnome-themes would still install everything so that should be no issue [14:13] we will defer this to jaunty unless I say otherwise [14:13] ok [14:13] if Mark talks to you, refer him to me [14:13] he's supposed to include me in the loop if he has priority requests [14:13] Keybuk: you'll be in cc [14:13] Keybuk: then you should be in on our weekly calls [14:13] seb128, I'm concerned about Replaces: but OK. [14:13] so I am reading this as a non-priority request [14:14] (not all of Mark's requests are priority, many are would-be-nice :p) [14:14] persia: those are in gnome-themes, that's just a binary split so it impacts on nothing else [14:14] ok, moving on [14:14] http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ [14:15] argh [14:15] that has totally crashed my browser [14:15] still using webkit? ;-) [14:15] pitti has been rocking on the sponsoring list [14:15] seb128: no [14:15] none of these are High or Critical or Release Targeted [14:15] so they are all for jaunty now [14:16] seb128: crashing seems to be related to flash :-/ [14:16] Keybuk: you just downgraded your libtool bug? ;-) [14:17] seb128: yes, I'm so not getting a chance before intrepid [14:17] err, I've lost the agenda because the wiki has crashed :p [14:17] pitti: Release Status ? :) [14:18] oh, his network connection died [14:18] any other business today? :) [14:18] one thing [14:18] * Riddell wibbles about language packs [14:19] Release status: We're in the RC freeze, all main uploads need approval by the Ubuntu release team. Universe is as normal. [14:19] seb128: did you see the human icon theme and human theme package update I sent you per email? will those make it in? [14:20] One small thing, I don't think it should be fixed, but at least well known. Turns out that GPM isn't using PolicyKit. I didn't notice until last night. Probably not important for Intrepid, but may cause other issues if people expect it to respond to PolicyKit messages. [14:20] kwwii: been lagging behind on mail, would be nice if you could open sponsoring request bugs so anybody can sponsor those and it makes easier to keep track, will do if pitti didn't look at those yet [14:21] tedg: what sort of messages exactly? [14:21] seb128: ok, I can do that...is there more info on what I should put in that bug? [14:21] seb128: I believe, and I haven't looked completely, it would be something like if HAL required an authentication dialog for shutdown. GPM doesn't know how to show that. [14:23] kwwii: don't bother for this one, will talk to pitti when he's back [14:23] tedg: ah, ok [14:23] ok, from now on I will make sure to file a sponsoring bug for everything [14:24] * ogra guesses PK only is relevant with the new GDM for the power manager [14:24] and bug you guys as a last resort :-) [14:24] great [14:24] one last item for today [14:24] farewell to mvo [14:24] kwwii: thank [14:25] I will just be in the office next door [14:25] mvo: you can come drink tea at the desktop team office whenever you want ;-) [14:25] mvo: we'll be screaming at you through the walls [14:26] next week, we'll have four new team members [14:27] asac, ArneGoetje, bryce and calc [14:27] since this gives us a bit of a new timezone spread, we may want to adjust the meeting day and time [14:27] * asac waves [14:27] * ArneGoetje waves too [14:28] Keybuk: any news when I will be leaving the team? [14:28] * ArneGoetje is happy with the current meeting time [14:28] * tedg guessing bryce is not :) [14:28] kwwii: I have heard that Julian will be joining us on November 3rd - so you and mpt will change teams on or after that date [14:29] julian? [14:29] Riddell: visual designer, who will report into the marketing team [14:30] * Keybuk wants an RSS feed for the org chart ;) === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Desktop Team Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Oct 14:00: Ubuntu Java | 16 Oct 20:00: EMEA Membership Board | 16 Oct 23:00: Americas Membership Board | 17 Oct 19:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC | 18 Oct 13:00: Xubuntu Community [14:31] other than that, unless there's any other business, let's finish early for the day [14:31] well done everybody on the release so far [14:31] we have the lowest RC bug count of all the teams ;) [14:31] (unless you count community ) [14:31] rock! [14:31] * tedg doesn't have a RSS feed reader that will refresh on units less than an hour :( [14:32] Keybuk: I can fix that, if you'd like... [14:32] :) [14:33] ok, adjourned [14:33] thanks all [14:33] thanks Keybuk [14:33] thanks === ubottu changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Current meeting: Ubuntu Java Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 16 Oct 20:00: EMEA Membership Board | 16 Oct 23:00: Americas Membership Board | 17 Oct 19:00: Tunisian LoCo Team IRC | 18 Oct 13:00: Xubuntu Community [15:06] Who's here for the java meeting ? [15:07] * persia is here [15:09] OK. Nobody else. [15:09] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JavaTeam/Meeting [15:11] Well, the page isn't coming up for me now. [15:11] Oh, there it is :) Only item is Roadmap review. [15:11] robilad is absent [15:11] slytherin is absent [15:12] Koon, Anything to report about maven? My memory is that we're waiting for Jaunty open. [15:12] persia: yes -- also I'm still chasing openweek dates [15:12] to see if I could do a packaging session then [15:13] No feedback from that team? [15:13] dholbach: any guess on when openweek will be scheduled? [15:13] persia: no, I'm sorry - not yet, I'll talk to Jono about it our call later on and notify Koon [15:14] dholbach, Thanks. [15:14] OK. Anyone have anything else for the Java meeting? [15:16] just a note [15:16] Sure. [15:17] we start being bitten by "default-jdk building at java6-level bytecode by default" bugs [15:17] see bug 283875 for instance [15:17] Launchpad bug 283875 in tomcat5.5 "tomcat in intrepid no longer supports java5" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/283875 [15:17] There was some talk about that in the foundations meeting. My understanding is that there will be a release note telling people not to use older JREs. [15:18] doko, Am I remembering correctly, or do you have something else planned? [15:18] doko told me to fix tomcat 5.5 and libs to support lesser level [15:18]