[00:48] <lool> 'night
[00:54] <ogra> nigh
[07:41] <lool> hi
[08:09] <lool> ogra: I think you have a far better idea than me of touchscreen and calibration; do you think there's still things to track/rescue in 163850?
[10:17] <crevette> hello
[12:34]  * lool is happy to report that the ubuntu-mid daily from today boots fine on jax10 now
[12:35] <persia> Excellent!  Does it install with the storage split, or do we need to trim the seeds?
[12:36] <lool> persia: I'm not sure I'm ready to install just yet; would like to finish backup/restore of the OS procs before moving on
[12:36] <lool> I wrote half of it
[12:37] <lool> persia: It's likely that the installer wont be very usable though
[12:37] <lool> the res is too low
[12:37] <lool> The first step screen is already garbled
[12:37] <lool> (quit/back/forward overlaps "Please choose")
[12:38] <persia> Right.  The resolution issues.
[12:38]  * persia registers a spec
[12:38] <lool> surprisingly, the map screen is more usable than on the CB
[12:39] <lool> On CB, the display is extremely slow
[12:39] <lool> Which makes using the map almost impossible
[12:40] <lool> persia: I'm pleasantly surprized as the steps after step 1 are much more usable
[12:40] <lool> partitionner should be in a scrolled window I'm afraid
[12:40] <lool> I can only read up to "Manual"
[12:41] <lool> StevenK: scrollwheel doesn't work in kourou   :-P
[12:42] <StevenK> I don't care :-P
[12:42] <persia> lool, file a bug.  I can confirm it doesn't work with synaptics either.
[12:42] <lool> persia: It might be that the fonts are too big; cgregan raised this issue more than once
[12:43] <persia> lool, No, it's that the interface is designed in such a way as it's not expected to work at 640x480, and such a small resolution isn't a target for the release team.
[12:43] <persia> That's why I'm registering a spec for a new frontend.  We just need some glade and a bit of glue, but it's beyond me.
[12:43] <lool> persia: well I think both are true, but the fonts are too big aand waste space
[12:44] <persia> lool, They aren't too big for me on the D4.  Blame your hardware.
[12:44] <persia> (or get davidz's DPI-independence patches merged faster)
[12:47] <lool> persia: Yeah, the issue is that they are too big at this res
[12:47] <persia> lool, Or the UI needs stretching.
[12:47]  * persia goes back to registering the spec
[12:48] <lool> Well text really looks stupidly big
[12:48] <lool> pff stupid mass rename is a dialog
[12:49] <persia> lool, Looking too big on your hardware is different than being too big.  That said, perhaps the target DPI could be adjusted : there's not much as dense as the D4.
[12:50] <persia> lool, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/low-res-ubiquity-frontend
[12:50] <lool> thanks
[12:51] <lool> persia: Well I guess the fonts size should be adapter to whatever dpi is being used
[12:51] <lool> or specified in an absolute metric
[12:52] <lool> midbrowser is unusable as the address bar is shrinked to 0 pixels
[12:52] <persia> lool, Yeah.  The problem needs fixing.  I'd personally rather have stuff get info from xrandr and use that to take decisions about appropriate font size and the like.  We can add quirks for broken things.
[12:52] <lool> but fonts look ok in midbrowser :-)
[12:53] <persia> Heh.  My network doesn't work, so I haven't done much testing of midbrowser.  I suspect the fonts will be "too small" on my device (although I'm unlikely to complain, as I like small fonts).
[12:54] <lool> network doesn't work here either
[12:54] <lool> I'm using an ethernet usb dongle which works
[12:54] <lool> argh, need to grab coffee real quick
[12:54] <ogra> mm, coffeee
[12:55] <persia> Team Meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in 5 minutes
[13:10] <amitk> ogra: new lpia kernel in usual location -4.7
[13:10] <ogra> amitk, ok
[13:10]  * ogra wonders how we get that past the release managers
[13:11] <persia> bribery?
[13:11] <ogra> heh
[13:11] <amitk> if beer doesn't work, bodily harm surely will :)
[13:19] <ian_brasil> fonts seem ok on midbrowser...it is just not very usable without access to any settings or the ability to install any plugins
[13:20] <persia> ian_brasil, Well, for my last MID, I used NetFront, so it's not that much feature loss for me.  That said, yes, it could get *lots* better.
[13:20]  * ogra might remap the menu key on the Q1 at least
[13:20] <persia> ian_brasil, The Mozilla team has packaged fennec, and I think it might get some testing as a replacement for the next release (although I'm not sure it will be default).
[13:21]  * ogra still fails to find a package
[13:22] <ian_brasil> right..we do some dev stuff with fennec here and one of the guys was asking about getting it on ubuntu..i will poke him when i arrive at work
[13:23] <persia> ian_brasil, It came too late for intrepid, but it's probably one of the first uploads for Jaunty.
[13:23] <ian_brasil> sweet
[13:24] <persia> I think it's in a PPA too, although I forget which.  You might check the mozillateam ppa.
[14:13] <amitk> ogra: what will it take to make the circular directional key on Q1 to behave like standard arrow keys?
[14:13] <ogra> amitk, the jystick already does that
[14:14] <ogra> *joystick
[14:14] <ogra> just switch to joystick mode
[14:14] <ogra> it would take a patch to hal-info 
[14:14] <ogra> nothing we can get in anymore for intreid though
[14:14] <ogra> *intrepid
[14:18] <amitk> ogra: joystick is not as intuitive as the arrow keys
[14:19] <ogra> amitk, well, its at least not different to hardy, it uses exatly the same keycodes
[14:19] <ogra> i agree that it can be improved, but the changes went upstream already, we wont get a new upstream version before release
[14:20] <ogra> i would have preferred keeping it as a patch, but pitti insisted 
[14:21] <ogra> hmm, no answer from pitti about linux-lpia
[14:22] <persia> I just got timidity accepted, so people are processing the queue.
[14:22] <ogra> but thats univers, no ?
[14:23] <persia> Still needs release-team to push it, they just don't check very carefully.
[14:23] <persia> From the 23rd, release-team will verify it has MOTU Release ACK before pushing.
[14:24] <ogra> still, linux-lpia is main
[14:27] <persia> Yes.  This just means it's waiting for a member of the release team to review it carefully.
[15:54] <lool> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7635920803.html
[15:56] <ogra> heh
[15:56] <ogra> e17
[15:57] <persia> There was someone talking about doing eubuntu in -installer last week.  Could be interesting to do eubuntu-mobile if that happens.
[15:58]  * ogra will never do that ... 
[15:58] <ogra> at least never under that name
[15:59] <persia> Yeah, the name leaves something to be desired :)
[15:59] <ogra> beyond that, isnt e17 based on hurd ? 
[16:00] <ogra> at least if it comes to release schedule 
[16:00] <ogra> "ready next year" or some such ...
[16:01] <persia> No.  e17 has never claimed to have a release date, or even a release schedule.
[16:01] <persia> At one point, it was specifically declared that e17 was not working towards release, and was instead a base of work for use in other projects.
[16:03] <persia> Anyway, there are are snapshots that are known to work together which are somewhat like other projects releases.
[16:03] <ogra> well, nothing i want to get involved in 
[16:03] <ogra> <-- no enlightenment fan as you might have guessed by now
[16:04] <persia> That's fine.  Someone else can do it.
[16:04] <ogra> we dont even have it packaged, do we ?
[16:04] <persia> I *really* like enlightenment, but haven't used it in a few years.
[16:04] <persia> We do.
[16:04] <ogra> 17 ?
[16:05]  * ogra only sees 16 and some libs from 17
[16:05] <persia> At least parts of it.
[16:05] <ogra> libeet1 only actually
[16:06] <ogra> funny that apt-cache search enlightenment brings up blackbox
[18:50] <amitk> ogra: lpia kernel almost done...
[18:52] <amitk> done
[18:52] <amitk> ogra: want to upload lrm?
[20:45] <ogra> amitk, will do
[20:47]  * lool 'night
[21:06] <ian_brasil> any idea how to enable the alt-F2 wireless combo on eeepc?
[21:10]  * ogra hasnt touched an eee ...
[21:11] <ogra> get me the HW and i'll make it work ;)
[21:16]  * ian_brasil quickly knocks up a "donations" web site  to buy eeepc device
[21:18] <ian_brasil> ogra: have you seen this http://www.moblin.org/downloads/super-read-ahead-002 and ideas for using it on ubuntu mobile?
[21:18] <ian_brasil> what do you think of sreadahead?
[21:20] <ogra> well, i'm not sure we will even keep readahead, we might switch over to prefetch, afaik that doesnt go well with readahead
[21:22] <rbelem> http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/10/10/411
[21:23] <ogra> we might also compile the most used module in the kernel in jaunty
[21:24] <ogra> there are a lot of sessions planned at UDS about boot seedup
[21:24] <ogra> *speedup
[21:24] <ogra> things like sreadahead, prefetch and other stuff will get close examination there
[21:25] <ogra> i personaly would like to get rid of modprobe in initramfs in favour of pregenerated modue lists that get pulled in via insmod
[21:25] <ogra> *module
[21:30] <rbelem> ogra, where can I get prefetch?
[21:31] <ian_brasil> that sounds very interesting
[21:32] <ogra> rbelem, i think its a kernel patch developed as GSoC project
[21:33] <ogra> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Specs/Prefetch
[21:33] <rbelem> nice!!!
[21:34] <ogra> that spec will surely get a new review for jaunty
[21:40] <rbelem> ogra, how about the hack to init? Upstart needs modification?
[21:48] <rbelem> the intel hack
[21:48] <rbelem> :-)
[21:50]  * ian_brasil ducks