[01:19] hello world! [01:20] Can anyone recomend a web browser for use on an old pc with little ram? Firefox uses upwards of 200mb with multiple pages... [01:24] What about epiphany? I show about 75 MB with 8 tabs open [01:25] That is, epiphany-gecko [01:28] midori seems ok, but there are sites and things it doesn't support [01:36] charlie-tca, cool, ill give it a whirl [01:36] ah [01:37] * charlie-tca nods [01:37] charlie-tca, how is Epiphany? will it display most everything? [01:37] I don't do much video or such, so I don't know. It works with flash and javascript, though [01:37] neat [01:38] epiphany uses geck, so it will display exactly like mozilla firefox... [01:38] how do I edit the default xfce 'start' menu layout [01:38] ^gecko [01:38] the main difference is that ephany uses a gtk interface... Firefox uses xul... [01:39] ooh gtk is much better [01:39] Odd-rationale: thanks for that; I didn't know the difference [01:39] well, the cool thing about xul is that it is more portable... same code on windows, mac, and linux... [01:40] however, epiphany will be switching to webkit instead of gecko, probably in the next gnome release... [01:40] so if you use windows, firefox is easier, ? [01:40] what is webkit? [01:40] webkit is what midori uses... [01:40] and safari, correct? [01:40] it branched out of khtml. [01:40] MHz128: yeah... [01:40] is it better? [01:41] MHz128: depends who you ask... :P [01:41] there must be a reason epiphany is switching [01:41] gecko/FF seems rock solid [01:41] supposedly, webkit is lighter.... [01:42] cool [01:42] what does opera use? [01:42] this is what i read. webkit is lighter than gecko on first startup... but then, once you used it a lot the memory useage increases faster than gecko's mem usage... [01:43] * wormsxulla_ doesn't recommend opera 9.60 on xubuntu [01:43] opera has there own engine... forgot the name... [01:43] Presto is the name... just looked it up... [01:44] Oh, and google chrome uses webkit too... [01:45] interesting [01:47] ie8 is going to suck... so i hear... [01:50] hmm, how do I install Midori? [01:50] cant find it in the package manager [01:50] !find midori [01:50] Found: midori, midori-dbg [01:50] !info midori [01:51] midori (source: midori): Fast and lightweight web browser. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.17-1ubuntu1 (hardy), package size 60 kB, installed size 232 kB [01:51] sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install midori [01:51] 10 4 thanks Odd-rationale === emma is now known as joe-the-plumber === joe-the-plumber is now known as emma [03:15] hi [03:16] anyone install xubuntu on a imac g3? [04:15] Hey I need help with my desktop settings -- both the top and bottom panels have disappeared and I need to know how to get them back [04:20] Hello? I need help with getting the top and bottom panels back onto my desktop, please. [04:21] !patience [04:21] The people here are volunteers, your attitude should reflect that. Answers are not always available. See http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines [04:22] Sorry I wasn't aware of that. I was just told to come here. [04:22] Thanks for the link. [04:28] crystalmath, can you open a terminal? [04:28] I just fixed it. . . just did a search. Bye [04:37] how can I change my keyboard layout? I change it but when I click in close then it returns to it default "use X configuration" [04:50] function+f7 (video out) doesn't work on vaio. any ideas? [04:50] Daviey: hey, this Xfce thing is somewhat tolerable! [04:51] I imagine he's in bed, but there you go. [05:23] hi, i have an video file and i want to change its format (container) from xyz to mp4. i also need to resize the original video file, anyone can tell me wich software i do need to make those changes? [05:55] good morning [07:07] hello === JinKazam1 is now known as JinKazama [10:40] how do i edit a file in for some error i cant sudo? [10:51] hi guys [10:53] wanted to share with you: i just installed LINUX MINT XFCE CE, and man! it doesn't let me do things that i did without a problem in xubuntu. It's like it's strangling you. I'll stick to xubuntu :) [10:59] ne1body knows of a way to make thunar be able to be browsed with jkih vimlike? :D:D [10:59] hi btw [10:59] -1 [11:45] I managed to break my computer's Master Boot Record while installing Xubuntu on a mobile hard drive - it just says "grub - error 21" and does nothing. [11:46] I'm attempting to use 'Super Grub Disk' to make a bootable USB super grub disk. [12:04] Hrm. Im currently running Xubuntu from the desktop CD and I've used the partition tool to make an ext3 partition on my USB drive, however I don't seem to have the permissions necessary to actually access it :s [12:07] Any tips on that one would be really helpful :s [13:41] hello [13:42] what's the command to get the advanced gui options? The option i'm looking for is disabling lag when entering password into synaptic. i get the lag when enabling xfce compositor [14:04] Ben_Cs: it's not an option, it's a bug [14:12] TheSheep: i found it: [14:13] gksu-properties [14:13] change the "grab mode" to disable [14:13] i always forget it [14:13] cool [14:13] i guess it is a bug, but it's a nice workarround too [14:14] sorry to interupt, but I some help [14:15] TheSheep: tried the new LINUX MINT XFCE CE today. It's a too much strangling distro IMO. I doesn't let me do the things i do naturally in xubuntu, unless i go into the guts of it to find where's it constraining me. ahrrr! [14:16] nalioth: for example? [14:16] nalioth: sorry [14:16] Ben_Cs: example? [14:17] TheSheep: don't remember exactly, there were some with printer stuff, and other configurations. Never mind that. I'll stick to Xubuntu :) [14:19] is there a quick way to reformat a flashdrive in xubuntu? [14:31] Hi, i've downloaded the xubuntu 8.04 livecd i386 disk, but it doesn't boot on my system, i'm using an old version of xubuntu [14:44] Solenoide, what are the stats of your system? [14:45] Im mostly concerned with ram [14:46] 230 mb or something like that [14:46] a duron 1.0 or something like that, really, it isn't my rig lol [14:46] the new live cd is a bit ram intensive [14:46] i installed the old xubuntu with the old livecd lol [14:47] if you are up and running with an older version, you can update via apt, or you can use the alt cd to install fresh [14:47] which "old version" did you use? [14:47] no, i had done that in the past and i got lots of broken packages [14:47] 7.04 [14:48] you have a seperate /home partition? [14:48] yes [14:48] get the alt cd [14:48] when you install, set the partitioner to "manual" [14:48] i'm trying to burn the livecd again. if it doesn't work i will use the alt [14:49] this way you can save your /home, [14:49] yes, i always install with manual partitioning [14:49] Solenoide, i will guarentee the live wont work with less then 256 mb of ram [14:49] it's already burning, so it doesn´t matter lol [16:20] Where can I submit a bug? [16:21] !bugs [16:21] If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu - Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots [16:21] I gotta remember that one, Odd-rationale [16:21] There is no adress I can send it to? =/ [16:21] launchpad.net [16:22] It looks like a beetle, but I think it is unknown. [16:22] Woo, you want to email a bug? [16:22] No, mail. [16:22] ???? [16:22] \o? [16:22] \o/ [16:22] Woo, what did you find? [16:23] I don't like touching it :S [16:24] if it is a real live animal bug, then the best place to put it is under you shoe... [16:24] * charlie-tca nods at Odd-rationale [16:27] soooo.... Woo is it a software glitch? [16:28] Well, yeah [16:28] ok...what is the issue? [16:28] Oh I'm reporting it now [16:28] paste the launchpad url in here, when you are done... [16:28] have you checked to see if it has already been reported? [16:29] Yes, none of the suggestions matched [16:29] post the link when submitted? [16:30] Here it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878895 [16:32] looks like issue one would be a bug against samba [16:32] dunno what the second bug would be against [16:34] although...i would personally set up FTP server on your linux box rather then use samba shares (but that is just me) [16:34] Shouldn't they both be samba? They are both windows/ubuntu transfers [16:34] Depends on what the network is using, though. Could be NFS? [16:35] charlie-tca, i never streamed video...so i dont know if its samba related or not [16:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/284480 [16:35] but i would think that streaming video would be related to his apache server [16:36] Got it. [16:36] can you even stream video thru samba? [16:36] * charlie-tca going back to my own bugs [16:36] yes [16:36] * vidd doesnt use samba [16:36] i just drag and drop something from browsing the shared folder in windows explorer [16:37] * vidd tries very hard to keep the virus-magnets away from direct access to his linux machines [16:37] i haven't had a virus since like 2004 [16:37] *that your aware of* [16:37] =] [16:38] well i wouldn't be more aware if my linux box had either [16:38] sure you would... [16:38] if your linux box had a virus, you'd have to make it exicutable.... [16:39] and then run it as root [16:39] i enter my password for anything that asks in ubuntu [16:39] i do it too many times already IMO, it's like UAC in Vista [16:39] you chmod anything? [16:39] yes, once [16:39] no [16:39] chown [16:40] its rare to have to chmod something [16:40] by the way, ubuntu is mainly powered from one guys fortune for selling his internet company. i heard he went to space as well. what happens when he runs out of money? [16:40] unless you are working with servers [16:41] that's what i reckoned reading wikipedia, i'm not super certain. [16:43] if im not mistaken, ubuntu is powered by the comunity [16:43] yeah, but canonical, the servers etc. [16:44] with generous donations from the company you mentioned [16:44] what happens if they run out of money? [16:44] they go out of business [16:44] but ubuntu will continue on without them [16:44] and ubuntu? [16:45] will you support the usermass? [16:45] people will donate time/serverspace [16:56] anyone knows of multiplayer network games that work on xubuntu and that does not consume a lot of resources? [16:57] wc3 [16:59] warcraft? that's boring! I prefer stellar crisis over that, i'll ask my nieces if they like the game though, thanks [17:09] anyone knows of multiplayer network games that work on xubuntu and that does not consume a lot of resources? [17:09] why not just install windows and select from millions of titles? :) [17:14] woo, i do have windows installed, it is extremely slow on this PIII machine with dual processors and I would have to shell out a lot of $$$ for any game [17:14] woo, plus there is one requirement for the game that automatically rules out wintendo, "that does not consume a lot of resources" [17:17] * Markimus has killed his MBR, currently running Xubuntu from the DesktopCD, could really use a hand fixing this poor puppy :< [17:31] Hehe Mixed :P [17:31] That's got to suck [17:31] I was actually playing with a PIII processor I had on the shelf just now [17:33] are you in the usa with the fiancial crisis and all? [17:36] how about defcon? [17:36] or multiwina? === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [17:53] woo, im in the financial crisis capital, ny [17:54] Mixed_--_, are you looking for MMORPG? [17:55] vidd, no, i am looking for multiplayer network games that run on xubuntu and that does not consume a lot of resources so i can play with the family :-) [17:56] Mixed_--_, can you give a windows-based game as a "for example"? [17:57] because i have no idea what you might possibly mean [18:00] vidd, a game like a racing game where 2 players can play at the same time, or shoot 'em, or basically any game where 2 players or more can play at the same time [18:00] ic [18:01] nothing rings a bell....but i dont really play those types of games [18:01] vidd, thanks anyway [18:02] try to go to a gamer site from 2001 or something using the web archive [18:04] Mixed_--_, have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42368 [18:07] vidd, i just found 2 excellent games in "add/remove", battleship and "jump 'n bump" [18:08] in norway you would find computers like that on the dumpster [18:08] vidd, I shouldve googled those terms! LoL thanks!!!! [18:08] btw mixed. how much does a kw hour cost in NY? [18:09] Mixed_--_, happy i could help [18:09] i may not know games...but i know google =] [18:09] woo, youre a wintendo user, what else do i need to say? [18:09] vidd LoL [18:10] sorry? [18:11] do you have a server mobo? it amazes me it lasts so long. mine only lasts 3-4 years [18:12] woo, i have a PIII that's lasted me for about 7 years, i pulled it out of the closet because I began learning linux and now im going to use that PIII as a SERVER, try doing that with your beloved wintendo system O_o [18:14] well, i would have less problems if i ran windows server 2003 rather than ubuntu 8.04 on my "server" box [18:16] i don't mind linux in general, just that things seem to work better in windows. like drivers and other annoyances. be it whoevers fault. i'm thinking of getting a macbook to replace my laptop in a few years, once it has the portable i7 and SSD as standard. [18:16] but how much is it per kw/H? [18:17] !ot | Woo [18:17] Woo: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [18:18] yeah, i was leaving here anyway [18:18] 236 [18:18] whoops [18:18] wrong window! [18:19] vidd: the nuber you are trying to reach is imaginary, please rotate your phone by pi/2 and try again [18:20] * charlie-tca hates doing that, vidd [19:18] hello world [19:19] I have an older Toshiba laptop running xubuntu, is there a solution for switching the video output from laptop LCD to VGA output? [19:20] xrandr [19:20] Fn+F5 used to work with windows that it originally came installed with [19:22] TheSheep, could you show me a quick example? [19:22] MHz128, if the Fn+F5 worked in windows, it should work in linux [19:23] MHz128: how can I show you? [19:23] its a function of the bios and not the OS [19:23] vidd, Id like to think so, but it doesn't..... [19:23] then install xrandr [19:23] as TheSheep suggested [19:23] 10 4 [19:24] is xrandr a built in linux tool? or specific to ubuntu? [19:24] dunno about that.... [19:24] it's pretty common, but it's not part of the kernel, if that's what you mean [19:24] but sudo apt-get install xrandr brought it up 4 me [19:24] xrandr --output XID [19:25] I think it's part of xorg [19:25] how do I determine what the XID for VGA output? [19:25] TheSheep, cool [19:25] MHz128: if you have the monitor connected, xrandr --auto should just work [19:25] ok [19:25] is there a way to switch it back, incase it doesn't work? [19:26] disconnect the screen and run xrandr --auto again -- that's what I do anyways [19:27] MHz128: man xrandr and xrandr --help will give you much more detail, also google [19:27] ya but how can I run it, if I cant see the lcd? [19:27] MHz128: well, you have to remember what keys you are pressing without looking at the screen. you can use a piece of paper and make notes if you can't remember [19:28] hahahah [19:28] MHz128: in the worst case, alt+ctrl+backspace will restart X [19:28] could I make a script triggered by a keystroke? [19:28] sure [19:28] I have it bound to alt+f3 [19:29] in the keyboard settings [19:29] ohhhhh i get it [19:29] I didn't know I could add command lines to keyboard settings [19:41] TheSheep, interesting! While using VLC to play a video, it only gets displayed on the LCD and not the monitor [19:41] any ideas? [19:43] MHz128: it uses overlay [19:43] ?? [19:43] MHz128: you can somehow set which display is the "main" one and gets the overlays displayed [19:43] MHz128: it's a hardware video acceleration [19:44] set that option in vlc? [19:44] MHz128: the video is actually overlaid by the card itself in the proper place [19:44] thats werid, some files work automaticall [19:44] while others dont [19:45] "files work"? [19:45] some video files are displayed on both screens, while others are only displayed on the LCD [19:46] the ones that can be accelerated are only displayed on one, I guess [19:46] I dont quite understand how to fix this issure [19:46] issue [19:48] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3467287#post3467287 [19:49] TheSheep, you are the man [19:49] * TheSheep can google ;) [19:50] I can google too, but I have a hard time figuring out what to search for! ahhaha [19:51] yes, knowing the right words help [19:51] s [19:52] TheSheep, why are you running xfce and not gnome? [19:52] MHz128: I like it more [19:53] MHz128: there is a million of tiny details [19:53] good answer [19:53] which web browser do you use? [19:53] This machine can barely run Firefox... uses up to much memory [19:54] MHz128: you could try epiphany with webkit, but it's still experimental and not everything works [19:54] MHz128: (opening links with middle click and sites that prompt for passwords, in particular) [19:55] when will the epiphany/webkit project be finished? [19:55] when it's finished ;) [19:55] hehehe [19:55] webkit is better than gecko? [19:55] or the opera one [19:55] it's a volunteer project, you see [19:55] MHz128: it's different, allegedly faster and less memory-hungry [19:56] MHz128: google has decided to use it in their browser [19:56] did Apple copy/use webkit for safari? thats the story I keep hearing [19:56] wbkit is for safari what gecko is for firefox [19:57] webkit was developed for safari [19:57] then they opensourced it and ported to qt for konqueror and to webkit-gtk for gtk apps, but the work goes slowly [19:58] and by "they" I don't mean only apple guys [19:58] The story I heard was that Safari was copied from konqueror? [19:58] hehe [19:58] MHz128: they cooperated for some time [19:58] so, are there any browsers currently using webkit? for linux? [19:59] MHz128: I think it's similar to how OSX is 'copied' from BSD [19:59] it is copied...... isn't it? [19:59] MHz128: epiphany, midori, and probably konqueror (not sure) [19:59] midori doesn't seem to work very well, wont even display the Google logo [20:00] It's extremely hard to write a web browser. I know, I tried. [20:00] I understand, I am not a coder [20:01] if you don't need css, you can try dillo [20:01] or even w3m [20:02] it has a plugin to display images [20:02] depends on your needs [20:02] are they even faster? [20:02] w3m is basically text-based [20:02] epiphany with gecko runs fine. opera is too much java for me [20:03] opera is not java, it's qt [20:03] oops [20:04] QT is what GTK is correct? [20:04] GUI api? [20:05] gui toolkit, yes [20:06] all KDE apps are written with QT and Gnome with GTK? [20:06] qt, gtk, wx, tcl/tk, java swing, etc. [20:06] which is better? [20:06] yes [20:06] apples and oranges [20:07] they are different, one is better in one thing, other is better at other things [20:07] interesting [20:08] QT has an ugly default font [20:11] MHz128: it's all ugly by default, KDE has some nice themes and default settings that make it nicer [20:11] MHz128: you can install qt-config and the polymer theme, that will make it look a little better [20:12] I'll have to try it out! [20:13] I think they are working on qt theme that allowsy ou to use gtk themes in it [20:13] there is such a thing for gtk already [20:15] that would be cool! there doesn't seem to be a lot of compatibility between qt/gtk... When I run gnome apps in KDE they appear 'ugly' [20:16] MHz128: you can use that gtk-qt theme [20:16] http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gtk-qt [20:16] will that work for KDE apps in Gnome? that would be the best of both worlds [20:17] nope, there was some work on that, but can't find it [20:17] it's for gtk apps in KDE [20:17] gotcha [20:17] Im currently using xfce/gnome/kde.... cant figure out which I like best yet [20:30] Is there a way to see how big portion of updating process is done when (security) updating is done automatically? Is there a way to pause (automatic) updating possibly even over a reboot? Is there a way to see which application is downloading or uploading somthing from network? [20:33] sudo -r Videos gives me the error "Read only file system" [20:33] whats going on? [20:33] its a flash drive! [20:36] nevermind, if you boot with the drive it recognizes it as root [20:36] weird [21:17] Hello all [21:18] Is there a util to configure screen res and monitor in XFCE? [21:20] Applications > Settings > Settings manager > Display ? [21:24] joe_: sudo gtk-displayconfig [21:24] oops, sorry [21:24] sudo displayconfig-gtk [21:25] I will give it a shot. Thanks [22:20] Daviey, wake up! :-) [22:48] danopia_: ? [22:49] I didn't know you were in here? [22:49] here.* [23:28] hi [23:28] hello [23:29] hi [23:29] hola [23:29] how are your [23:29] my name is [23:30] perro [23:44] ahoy [23:45] so I'm looking at "Window manager tweaks" and noting the "key to grab and move windows" box... [23:45] meta, hyper, super, modX ? [23:45] where are these assigned? [23:45] and also, where is the setting that causes window-shading via mouse clicks? [23:47] Hello [23:48] Can anyone tell me how to turn off xserver? I need to fiddle with graphics drivers [23:49] what do you mean 'turn it off' ? [23:49] prevent it from launching when you log in? [23:50] Yeah [23:50] login in maintenance mode [23:50] reboot the box, hit esc to enter grub [23:50] and select the option to boot to shell [23:50] maintenance mode or whatever it's called. [23:51] alrite thanks [23:51] good luck -- graphics drivers for x are a pain in the ... [23:51] D: [23:52] Ultraputz, Super is the windows key; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_key ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_key ; [23:55] Also, how can I search for files in xfce? I can't see an option anywhere [23:55] do you have any kind of search tool enabled, like beagle? [23:56] if so, you can right-click on a panel and 'add new item' [23:56] in teh list of items should be a search tool of some kind or another. [23:56] DCPom - tanks! [23:56] er, thanks. i doubt you need a tank. :-) [23:57] Doesn't seem to be one by default in that case, will just have to install one. Thanks.