[01:19] <MHz128> hello world!
[01:20] <MHz128> Can anyone recomend a web browser for use on an old pc with little ram? Firefox uses upwards of 200mb with multiple pages...
[01:24] <charlie-tca> What about epiphany? I show about 75 MB with 8 tabs open
[01:25] <charlie-tca> That is, epiphany-gecko
[01:28] <zoredache> midori seems ok, but there are sites and things it doesn't support
[01:36] <MHz128> charlie-tca, cool, ill give it a whirl
[01:36] <MHz128> ah
[01:37]  * charlie-tca nods
[01:37] <MHz128> charlie-tca, how is Epiphany? will it display most everything?
[01:37] <charlie-tca> I don't do much video or such, so I don't know. It works with flash and javascript, though
[01:37] <MHz128> neat
[01:38] <Odd-rationale> epiphany uses geck, so it will display exactly like mozilla firefox...
[01:38] <MHz128> how do I edit the default xfce 'start' menu layout
[01:38] <Odd-rationale> ^gecko
[01:38] <Odd-rationale> the main difference is that ephany uses a gtk interface... Firefox uses xul...
[01:39] <MHz128> ooh gtk is much better
[01:39] <charlie-tca> Odd-rationale: thanks for that; I didn't know the difference
[01:39] <Odd-rationale> well, the cool thing about xul is that it is more portable... same code on windows, mac, and linux...
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> however, epiphany will be switching to webkit instead of gecko, probably in the next gnome release...
[01:40] <charlie-tca> so if you use windows, firefox is easier, ?
[01:40] <MHz128> what is webkit?
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> webkit is what midori uses...
[01:40] <MHz128> and safari, correct?
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> it branched out of khtml.
[01:40] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: yeah...
[01:40] <MHz128> is it better?
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: depends who you ask... :P
[01:41] <MHz128> there must be a reason epiphany is switching
[01:41] <MHz128> gecko/FF seems rock solid
[01:41] <Odd-rationale> supposedly, webkit is lighter....
[01:42] <MHz128> cool
[01:42] <MHz128> what does opera use?
[01:42] <Odd-rationale> this is what i read. webkit is lighter than gecko on first startup... but then, once you used it a lot the memory useage increases faster than gecko's mem usage...
[01:43]  * wormsxulla_ doesn't recommend opera 9.60 on xubuntu
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> opera has there own engine... forgot the name...
[01:43] <Odd-rationale> Presto is the name... just looked it up...
[01:44] <Odd-rationale> Oh, and google chrome uses webkit too...
[01:45] <MHz128> interesting
[01:47] <Odd-rationale> ie8 is going to suck... so i hear...
[01:50] <MHz128> hmm, how do I install Midori?
[01:50] <MHz128> cant find it in the package manager
[01:50] <Odd-rationale> !find midori
[01:50] <Odd-rationale> !info midori
[01:51] <Odd-rationale> sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install midori
[01:51] <MHz128> 10 4 thanks Odd-rationale
[03:15] <FordPrefc> hi
[03:16] <FordPrefc> anyone install xubuntu on a imac g3?
[04:15] <crystalmath> Hey I need help with my desktop settings -- both the top and bottom panels have disappeared and I need to know how to get them back
[04:20] <crystalmath> Hello? I need help with getting the top and bottom panels back onto my desktop, please.
[04:21] <DCPom> !patience
[04:22] <crystalmath> Sorry I wasn't aware of that. I was just told to come here.
[04:22] <crystalmath> Thanks for the link.
[04:28] <DCPom> crystalmath, can you open a terminal?
[04:28] <crystalmath> I just fixed it. . . just did a search. Bye
[04:37] <attickid> how can I change my keyboard layout? I change it but when I click in close then it returns to it default "use X configuration"
[04:50] <owen1> function+f7 (video out) doesn't work on vaio. any ideas?
[04:50] <ball> Daviey: hey, this Xfce thing is somewhat tolerable!
[04:51] <ball> I imagine he's in bed, but there you go.
[05:23] <billykan3> hi, i have an video file and i want to change its format (container) from xyz to mp4. i also need to resize the original video file, anyone can tell me wich software i do need to make those changes?
[05:55] <JinKazama> good morning
[07:07] <wormsxulla_> hello
[10:40] <llll> how do i edit a file in for some error i cant sudo?
[10:51] <Ben_Cs> hi guys
[10:53] <Ben_Cs> wanted to share with you: i just installed LINUX MINT XFCE CE, and man! it doesn't let me do things that i did without a problem in xubuntu. It's like it's strangling you. I'll stick to xubuntu :)
[10:59] <tyberion_> ne1body knows of a way to make thunar be able to be browsed with jkih vimlike? :D:D
[10:59] <tyberion_> hi btw
[10:59] <tyberion_> -1
[11:45] <Mispinov> I managed to break my computer's Master Boot Record while installing Xubuntu on a mobile hard drive - it just says "grub - error 21" and does nothing.
[11:46] <Mispinov> I'm attempting to use 'Super Grub Disk' to make a bootable USB super grub disk.
[12:04] <Mispinov> Hrm. Im currently running Xubuntu from the desktop CD and I've used the partition tool to make an ext3 partition on my USB drive, however I don't seem to have the permissions necessary to actually access it :s
[12:07] <Mispinov> Any tips on that one would be really helpful :s
[13:41] <Ben_Cs> hello
[13:42] <Ben_Cs> what's the command to get the advanced gui options? The option i'm looking for is disabling lag when entering password into synaptic. i get the lag when enabling xfce compositor
[14:04] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: it's not an option, it's a bug
[14:12] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: i found it:
[14:13] <Ben_Cs> gksu-properties
[14:13] <Ben_Cs> change the "grab mode" to disable
[14:13] <Ben_Cs> i always forget it
[14:13] <TheSheep> cool
[14:13] <Ben_Cs> i guess it is a bug, but it's a nice workarround too
[14:14] <victor__> sorry to interupt, but I some help
[14:15] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: tried the new LINUX MINT XFCE CE today. It's a too much strangling distro IMO. I doesn't let me do the things i do naturally in xubuntu, unless i go into the guts of it to find where's it constraining me. ahrrr!
[14:16] <TheSheep> nalioth: for example?
[14:16] <TheSheep> nalioth: sorry
[14:16] <TheSheep> Ben_Cs: example?
[14:17] <Ben_Cs> TheSheep: don't remember exactly, there were some with printer stuff, and other configurations. Never mind that. I'll stick to Xubuntu :)
[14:19] <victor__> is there a quick way to reformat a flashdrive in xubuntu?
[14:31] <Solenoide> Hi, i've downloaded the xubuntu 8.04 livecd i386 disk, but it doesn't boot on my system, i'm using an old version of xubuntu
[14:44] <vidd> Solenoide, what are the stats of your system?
[14:45] <vidd> Im mostly concerned with ram
[14:46] <Solenoide> 230 mb or something like that
[14:46] <Solenoide> a duron 1.0 or something like that, really, it isn't my rig lol
[14:46] <vidd> the new live cd is a bit ram intensive
[14:46] <Solenoide> i installed the old xubuntu with the old livecd lol
[14:47] <vidd> if you are up and running with an older version, you can update via apt, or you can use the alt cd to install fresh
[14:47] <vidd> which "old version" did you use?
[14:47] <Solenoide> no, i had done that in the past and i got lots of broken packages
[14:47] <Solenoide> 7.04
[14:48] <vidd> you have a seperate /home partition?
[14:48] <Solenoide> yes
[14:48] <vidd> get the alt cd
[14:48] <vidd> when you install, set the partitioner to "manual"
[14:48] <Solenoide> i'm trying to burn the livecd again. if it doesn't work i will use the alt
[14:49] <vidd> this way you can save your /home,
[14:49] <Solenoide> yes, i always install with manual partitioning
[14:49] <vidd> Solenoide, i will guarentee the live wont work with less then 256 mb of ram
[14:49] <Solenoide> it's already burning, so it doesn´t matter lol
[16:20] <Woo> Where can I submit a bug?
[16:21] <Odd-rationale> !bugs
[16:21] <charlie-tca> I gotta remember that one, Odd-rationale
[16:21] <Woo> There is no adress I can send it to? =/
[16:21] <Odd-rationale> launchpad.net
[16:22] <Woo> It looks like a beetle, but I think it is unknown.
[16:22] <vidd> Woo, you want to email a bug?
[16:22] <Woo> No, mail.
[16:22] <vidd> ????
[16:22] <charlie-tca> \o?
[16:22] <charlie-tca> \o/
[16:22] <vidd> Woo, what did you find?
[16:23] <Woo> I don't like touching it :S
[16:24] <Odd-rationale> if it is a real live animal bug, then the best place to put it is under you shoe...
[16:24]  * charlie-tca nods at Odd-rationale 
[16:27] <vidd> soooo.... Woo is it a software glitch?
[16:28] <Woo> Well, yeah
[16:28] <vidd> ok...what is the issue?
[16:28] <Woo> Oh I'm reporting it now
[16:28] <Odd-rationale> paste the launchpad url in here, when you are done...
[16:28] <vidd> have you checked to see if it has already been reported?
[16:29] <Woo> Yes, none of the suggestions matched
[16:29] <vidd> post the link when submitted?
[16:30] <Woo> Here it is: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=878895
[16:32] <vidd> looks like issue one would be a bug against samba
[16:32] <vidd> dunno what the second bug would be against
[16:34] <vidd> although...i would personally set up FTP server on your linux box rather then use samba shares (but that is just me)
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Shouldn't they both be samba? They are both windows/ubuntu transfers
[16:34] <charlie-tca> Depends on what the network is using, though. Could be NFS?
[16:35] <vidd> charlie-tca, i never streamed video...so i dont know if its samba related or not
[16:35] <Woo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/284480
[16:35] <vidd> but i would think that streaming video would be related to his apache server
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Got it.
[16:36] <vidd> can you even stream video thru samba?
[16:36]  * charlie-tca going back to my own bugs
[16:36] <Woo> yes
[16:36]  * vidd doesnt use samba
[16:36] <Woo> i just drag and drop something from browsing the shared folder in windows explorer
[16:37]  * vidd tries very hard to keep the virus-magnets away from direct access to his linux machines
[16:37] <Woo> i haven't had a virus since like 2004
[16:37] <vidd> *that your aware of*
[16:37] <vidd> =]
[16:38] <Woo> well i wouldn't be more aware if my linux box had either
[16:38] <vidd> sure you would...
[16:38] <vidd> if your linux box had a virus, you'd have to make it exicutable....
[16:39] <vidd> and then run it as root
[16:39] <Woo> i enter my password for anything that asks in ubuntu
[16:39] <Woo> i do it too many times already IMO, it's like UAC in Vista
[16:39] <vidd> you chmod anything?
[16:39] <Woo> yes, once
[16:39] <Woo> no
[16:39] <Woo> chown
[16:40] <vidd> its rare to have to chmod something
[16:40] <Woo> by the way, ubuntu is mainly powered from one guys fortune for selling his internet company. i heard he went to space as well. what happens when he runs out of money?
[16:40] <vidd> unless you are working with servers
[16:41] <Woo> that's what i reckoned reading wikipedia, i'm not super certain.
[16:43] <vidd> if im not mistaken, ubuntu is powered by the comunity
[16:43] <Woo> yeah, but canonical, the servers etc.
[16:44] <vidd> with generous donations from the company you mentioned
[16:44] <Woo> what happens if they run out of money?
[16:44] <vidd> they go out of business
[16:44] <vidd> but ubuntu will continue on without them
[16:44] <Woo> and ubuntu?
[16:45] <Woo> will you support the usermass?
[16:45] <vidd> people will donate time/serverspace
[16:56] <Mixed_--_> anyone knows of multiplayer network games that work on xubuntu and that does not consume a lot of resources?
[16:57] <Woo> wc3
[16:59] <Mixed_--_> warcraft?  that's boring!  I prefer stellar crisis over that, i'll ask my nieces if they like the game though, thanks
[17:09] <Mixed_--_> anyone knows of multiplayer network games that work on xubuntu and that does not consume a lot of resources?
[17:09] <Woo> why not just install windows and select from millions of titles? :)
[17:14] <Mixed_--_> woo, i do have windows installed, it is extremely slow on this PIII machine with dual processors and I would have to shell out a lot of $$$ for any game
[17:14] <Mixed_--_> woo, plus there is one requirement for the game that automatically rules out wintendo, "that does not consume a lot of resources"
[17:17]  * Markimus has killed his MBR, currently running Xubuntu from the DesktopCD, could really use a hand fixing this poor puppy :<
[17:31] <Woo> Hehe Mixed :P
[17:31] <Woo> That's got to suck
[17:31] <Woo> I was actually playing with a PIII processor I had on the shelf just now
[17:33] <Woo> are you in the usa with the fiancial crisis and all?
[17:36] <Woo> how about defcon?
[17:36] <Woo> or multiwina?
[17:53] <Mixed_--_> woo, im in the financial crisis capital, ny
[17:54] <vidd> Mixed_--_, are you looking for MMORPG?
[17:55] <Mixed_--_> vidd, no, i am looking for multiplayer network games that run on xubuntu and that does not consume a lot of resources so i can play with the family :-)
[17:56] <vidd> Mixed_--_, can you give a windows-based game as a "for example"?
[17:57] <vidd> because i have no idea what you might possibly mean
[18:00] <Mixed_--_> vidd, a game like a racing game where 2 players can play at the same time, or shoot 'em, or basically any game where 2 players or more can play at the same time
[18:00] <vidd> ic
[18:01] <vidd> nothing rings a bell....but i dont really play those types of games
[18:01] <Mixed_--_> vidd, thanks anyway
[18:02] <Woo> try to go to a gamer site from 2001 or something using the web archive
[18:04] <vidd> Mixed_--_, have you seen this thread? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=42368
[18:07] <Mixed_--_> vidd, i just found 2 excellent games in "add/remove", battleship and "jump 'n bump"
[18:08] <Woo> in norway you would find computers like that on the dumpster
[18:08] <Mixed_--_> vidd,  I shouldve googled those terms! LoL thanks!!!!
[18:08] <Woo> btw mixed. how much does a kw hour cost in NY?
[18:09] <vidd> Mixed_--_, happy i could help
[18:09] <vidd> i may not know games...but i know google =]
[18:09] <Mixed_--_> woo, youre a wintendo user, what else do i need to say?
[18:09] <Mixed_--_> vidd LoL
[18:10] <Woo> sorry?
[18:11] <Woo> do you have a server mobo? it amazes me it lasts so long. mine only lasts 3-4 years
[18:12] <Mixed_--_> woo, i have a PIII that's lasted me for about 7 years, i pulled it out of the closet because I began learning linux and now im going to use that PIII as a SERVER, try doing that with your beloved wintendo system O_o
[18:14] <Woo> well, i would have less problems if i ran windows server 2003 rather than ubuntu 8.04 on my "server" box
[18:16] <Woo> i don't mind linux in general, just that things seem to work better in windows. like drivers and other annoyances. be it whoevers fault. i'm thinking of getting a macbook to replace my laptop in a few years, once it has the portable i7 and SSD as standard.
[18:16] <Woo> but how much is it per kw/H?
[18:17] <TheSheep> !ot | Woo
[18:18] <Woo> yeah, i was leaving here anyway
[18:18] <vidd> 236
[18:18] <vidd> whoops
[18:18] <vidd> wrong window!
[18:19] <TheSheep> vidd: the nuber you are trying to reach is imaginary, please rotate your phone by pi/2 and try again
[18:20]  * charlie-tca hates doing that, vidd
[19:18] <MHz128> hello world
[19:19] <MHz128> I have an older Toshiba laptop running xubuntu, is there a solution for switching the video output from laptop LCD to VGA output?
[19:20] <TheSheep> xrandr
[19:20] <MHz128> Fn+F5 used to work with windows that it originally came installed with
[19:22] <MHz128> TheSheep, could you show me a quick example?
[19:22] <vidd> MHz128, if the Fn+F5 worked in windows, it should work in linux
[19:23] <TheSheep> MHz128: how can I show you?
[19:23] <vidd> its a function of the bios and not the OS
[19:23] <MHz128> vidd, Id like to think so, but it doesn't.....
[19:23] <vidd> then install xrandr
[19:23] <vidd> as TheSheep suggested
[19:23] <MHz128> 10 4
[19:24] <MHz128> is xrandr a built in linux tool? or specific to ubuntu?
[19:24] <vidd> dunno about that....
[19:24] <TheSheep> it's pretty common, but it's not part of the kernel, if that's what you mean
[19:24] <vidd> but sudo apt-get install xrandr brought it up 4 me
[19:24] <MHz128> xrandr --output XID
[19:25] <TheSheep> I think it's part of xorg
[19:25] <MHz128> how do I determine what the XID for VGA output?
[19:25] <MHz128> TheSheep, cool
[19:25] <TheSheep> MHz128: if you have the monitor connected, xrandr --auto should just work
[19:25] <MHz128> ok
[19:25] <MHz128> is there a way to switch it back, incase it doesn't work?
[19:26] <TheSheep> disconnect the screen and run xrandr --auto again -- that's what I do anyways
[19:27] <TheSheep> MHz128: man xrandr and xrandr --help will give you much more detail, also google
[19:27] <MHz128> ya but how can I run it, if I cant see the lcd?
[19:27] <TheSheep> MHz128: well, you have to remember what keys you are pressing without looking at the screen. you can use a piece of paper and make notes if you can't remember
[19:28] <MHz128> hahahah
[19:28] <TheSheep> MHz128: in the worst case, alt+ctrl+backspace will restart X
[19:28] <MHz128> could I make a script triggered by a keystroke?
[19:28] <TheSheep> sure
[19:28] <TheSheep> I have it bound to alt+f3
[19:29] <TheSheep> in the keyboard settings
[19:29] <MHz128> ohhhhh i get it
[19:29] <MHz128> I didn't know I could add command lines to keyboard settings
[19:41] <MHz128> TheSheep, interesting! While using VLC to play a video, it only gets displayed on the LCD and not the monitor
[19:41] <MHz128> any ideas?
[19:43] <TheSheep> MHz128: it uses overlay
[19:43] <MHz128> ??
[19:43] <TheSheep> MHz128: you can somehow set which display is the "main" one and gets the overlays displayed
[19:43] <TheSheep> MHz128: it's a hardware video acceleration
[19:44] <MHz128> set that option in vlc?
[19:44] <TheSheep> MHz128: the video is actually overlaid by the card itself in the proper place
[19:44] <MHz128> thats werid, some files work automaticall
[19:44] <MHz128> while others dont
[19:45] <TheSheep> "files work"?
[19:45] <MHz128> some video files are displayed on both screens, while others are only displayed on the LCD
[19:46] <TheSheep> the ones that can be accelerated are only displayed on one, I guess
[19:46] <MHz128> I dont quite understand how to fix this issure
[19:46] <MHz128> issue
[19:48] <TheSheep> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3467287#post3467287
[19:49] <MHz128> TheSheep, you are the man
[19:49]  * TheSheep can google ;)
[19:50] <MHz128> I can google too, but I have a hard time figuring out what to search for! ahhaha
[19:51] <TheSheep> yes, knowing the right words help
[19:51] <TheSheep> s
[19:52] <MHz128> TheSheep, why are you running xfce and not gnome?
[19:52] <TheSheep> MHz128: I like it more
[19:53] <TheSheep> MHz128: there is a million of tiny details
[19:53] <MHz128> good answer
[19:53] <MHz128> which web browser do you use?
[19:53] <MHz128> This machine can barely run Firefox... uses up to much memory
[19:54] <TheSheep> MHz128: you could try epiphany with webkit, but it's still experimental and not everything works
[19:54] <TheSheep> MHz128: (opening links with middle click and sites that prompt for passwords, in particular)
[19:55] <MHz128> when will the epiphany/webkit project be finished?
[19:55] <TheSheep> when it's finished ;)
[19:55] <MHz128> hehehe
[19:55] <MHz128> webkit is better than gecko?
[19:55] <MHz128> or the opera one
[19:55] <TheSheep> it's a volunteer project, you see
[19:55] <TheSheep> MHz128: it's different, allegedly faster and less memory-hungry
[19:56] <TheSheep> MHz128: google has decided to use it in their browser
[19:56] <MHz128> did Apple copy/use webkit for safari? thats the story I keep hearing
[19:56] <TheSheep> wbkit is for safari what gecko is for firefox
[19:57] <TheSheep> webkit was developed for safari
[19:57] <TheSheep> then they opensourced it and ported to qt for konqueror and to webkit-gtk for gtk apps, but the work goes slowly
[19:58] <TheSheep> and by "they" I don't mean only apple guys
[19:58] <MHz128> The story I heard was that Safari was copied from konqueror?
[19:58] <MHz128> hehe
[19:58] <TheSheep> MHz128: they cooperated for some time
[19:58] <MHz128> so, are there any browsers currently using webkit? for linux?
[19:59] <TheSheep> MHz128: I think it's similar to how OSX is 'copied' from BSD
[19:59] <MHz128> it is copied...... isn't it?
[19:59] <TheSheep> MHz128: epiphany, midori, and probably konqueror (not sure)
[19:59] <MHz128> midori doesn't seem to work very well, wont even display the Google logo
[20:00] <TheSheep> It's extremely hard to write a web browser. I know, I tried.
[20:00] <MHz128> I understand, I am not a coder
[20:01] <TheSheep> if you don't need css, you can try dillo
[20:01] <TheSheep> or even w3m
[20:02] <TheSheep> it has a plugin to display images
[20:02] <TheSheep> depends on your needs
[20:02] <MHz128> are they even faster?
[20:02] <TheSheep> w3m is basically text-based
[20:02] <MHz128> epiphany with gecko runs fine. opera is too much java for me
[20:03] <TheSheep> opera is not java, it's qt
[20:03] <MHz128> oops
[20:04] <MHz128> QT is what GTK is correct?
[20:04] <MHz128> GUI api?
[20:05] <TheSheep> gui toolkit, yes
[20:06] <MHz128> all KDE apps are written with QT and Gnome with GTK?
[20:06] <TheSheep> qt, gtk, wx, tcl/tk, java swing, etc.
[20:06] <MHz128> which is better?
[20:06] <TheSheep> yes
[20:06] <TheSheep> apples and oranges
[20:07] <TheSheep> they are different, one is better in one thing, other is better at other things
[20:07] <MHz128> interesting
[20:08] <MHz128> QT has an ugly default font
[20:11] <TheSheep> MHz128: it's all ugly by default, KDE has some nice themes and default settings that make it nicer
[20:11] <TheSheep> MHz128: you can install qt-config and the polymer theme, that will make it look a little better
[20:12] <MHz128> I'll have to try it out!
[20:13] <TheSheep> I think they are working on qt theme that allowsy ou to use gtk themes in it
[20:13] <TheSheep> there is such a thing for gtk already
[20:15] <MHz128> that would be cool! there doesn't seem to be a lot of compatibility between qt/gtk... When I run gnome apps in KDE they appear 'ugly'
[20:16] <TheSheep> MHz128: you can use that gtk-qt theme
[20:16] <TheSheep> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/gtk-qt
[20:16] <MHz128> will that work for KDE apps in Gnome? that would be the best of both worlds
[20:17] <TheSheep> nope, there was some work on that, but can't find it
[20:17] <TheSheep> it's for gtk apps in KDE
[20:17] <MHz128> gotcha
[20:17] <MHz128> Im currently using xfce/gnome/kde.... cant figure out which I like best yet
[20:30] <jarnos> Is there a way to see how big portion of updating process is done when (security) updating is done automatically? Is there a way to pause (automatic) updating possibly even over a reboot? Is there a way to see which application is downloading or uploading somthing from network?
[20:33] <MHz128> sudo -r Videos gives me the error "Read only file system"
[20:33] <MHz128> whats going on?
[20:33] <MHz128> its a flash drive!
[20:36] <MHz128> nevermind, if you boot with the drive it recognizes it as root
[20:36] <MHz128> weird
[21:17] <joe_> Hello all
[21:18] <joe_> Is there a util to configure screen res and monitor in XFCE?
[21:20] <DFlame> Applications > Settings > Settings manager > Display ?
[21:24] <TheSheep> joe_: sudo gtk-displayconfig
[21:24] <TheSheep> oops, sorry
[21:24] <TheSheep> sudo displayconfig-gtk
[21:25] <joe_> I will give it a shot.  Thanks
[22:20] <ball> Daviey, wake up! :-)
[22:48] <Flare183> danopia_: ?
[22:49] <Flare183> I didn't know you were in here?
[22:49] <Flare183> here.*
[23:28] <DarkDevil> hi
[23:28] <DarkDevil> hello
[23:29] <blackangel> hi
[23:29] <blackangel> hola
[23:29] <blackangel> how are your
[23:29] <blackangel> my name is
[23:30] <blackangel> perro
[23:44] <Ultraputz> ahoy
[23:45] <Ultraputz> so I'm looking at "Window manager tweaks" and noting the "key to grab and move windows" box...
[23:45] <Ultraputz> meta, hyper, super, modX ?
[23:45] <Ultraputz> where are these assigned?
[23:45] <Ultraputz> and also, where is the setting that causes window-shading via mouse clicks?
[23:47] <scru1> Hello
[23:48] <scru1> Can anyone tell me how to turn off xserver? I need to fiddle with graphics drivers
[23:49] <Ultraputz> what do you mean 'turn it off' ?
[23:49] <Ultraputz> prevent it from launching when you log in?
[23:50] <scru1> Yeah
[23:50] <Ultraputz> login in maintenance mode
[23:50] <Ultraputz> reboot the box, hit esc to enter grub
[23:50] <Ultraputz> and select the option to boot to shell
[23:50] <Ultraputz> maintenance mode or whatever it's called.
[23:51] <scru1> alrite thanks
[23:51] <Ultraputz> good luck -- graphics drivers for x are a pain in the ...
[23:51] <scru1> D:
[23:52] <DCPom> Ultraputz, Super is the windows key; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meta_key ; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyper_key ;
[23:55] <scru1> Also, how can I search for files in xfce? I can't see an option anywhere
[23:55] <Ultraputz> do you have any kind of search tool enabled, like beagle?
[23:56] <Ultraputz> if so, you can right-click on a panel and 'add new item'
[23:56] <Ultraputz> in teh list of items should be a search tool of some kind or another.
[23:56] <Ultraputz> DCPom - tanks!
[23:56] <Ultraputz> er, thanks. i doubt you need a tank. :-)
[23:57] <scru1> Doesn't seem to be one by default in that case, will just have to install one. Thanks.