[00:02]  * krash nods
[00:06]  * GeOcs .
[00:06]  * GeOcs can anyone help me install a leadtek tv tunner on ubuntu?!
[00:08] <CoJaBo-Eee> lol my tuner installed so easily it was scary o_O
[00:09] <xweb> what tuner do you have
[00:10] <CoJaBo-Eee> Haupage USB2 or something like that. I plugged it in and it just worked. No drivers, no buggy install/configure apps, no BSODs o_O
[00:11] <xweb> wow
[00:11] <CoJaBo-Eee> And all I needed to watch TV was VLC, which I already had!
[00:12] <CoJaBo-Eee> Now if only WiFi worked like that in Linux lol
[00:13] <xweb> What wifi card do you have?
[00:14] <klai> всем привет
[00:14] <klai> hai ppl
[00:14] <klai> i am need analog gconf-editor in KDE ?!
[00:15] <xweb> klai: What are you trying to do?
[00:16] <xweb> CoJaBo-Eee: If you know what wifi card you habe i may be able to help you get it working.
[00:17] <CoJaBo-Eee> xweb: RaLink
[00:18] <xweb> open a console and type $ lspci | grep 802
[00:18] <xweb> this will let you see the chipset.
[00:19] <CoJaBo-Eee> It is detected and works now, it just fails connecting to my network on 90-97% of attempts.
[00:19] <xweb> Oo ok.
[00:20] <CoJaBo-Eee> I just need to figure out how to fix that, or at least get a more specific error.
[00:24] <asspero> hola
[00:24] <asspero> algien por ay????
[00:30] <eduardo_> #brasil
[00:32] <polete> Section "ServerLayout"
[00:32] <polete>     Identifier     "Layout0"
[00:32] <polete>     Screen      0  "Screen0" 0 0
[00:32] <polete>     InputDevice    "Keyboard0" "CoreKeyboard"
[00:32] <polete>     InputDevice    "Mouse0" "CorePointer"
[00:32] <polete> EndSection
[00:32] <polete> Section "Files"
[00:32] <polete> EndSection
[00:32] <polete> Section "Module"
[00:32] <polete>     Load           "dbe"
[00:32] <polete>     Load           "extmod"
[00:32] <polete>     Load           "type1"
[00:32] <polete>     Load           "freetype"
[00:32] <polete>     Load           "glx"
[00:32] <polete> EndSection
[00:32] <polete> Section "ServerFlags"
[00:32] <polete>     Option         "Xinerama" "0"
[00:32] <polete> EndSection
[00:32] <polete> Section "InputDevice"
[00:32] <polete>     # generated from default
[00:32] <polete>     Identifier     "Mouse0"
[00:32] <CoJaBo-Eee> o_O
[00:32] <polete>     Driver         "mouse"
[00:32] <polete>     Option         "Protocol" "auto"
[00:33] <polete>     Option         "Device" "/dev/psaux"
[00:33] <polete>     Option         "Emulate3Buttons" "no"
[00:33] <polete>     Option         "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
[00:33] <polete> EndSection
[00:33] <polete> Section "InputDevice"
[00:33] <polete>     # generated from default
[00:33] <polete>     Identifier     "Keyboard0"
[00:33] <polete>     Driver         "kbd"
[00:33] <polete> EndSection
[00:33] <polete> Section "Monitor"
[00:33] <polete>     # HorizSync source: edid, VertRefresh source: edid
[00:33] <polete>     Identifier     "Monitor0"
[00:33] <unity`Buntu> woah..
[00:33] <polete>     VendorName     "Unknown"
[00:33] <polete>     ModelName      "Samsung SyncMaster"
[00:33] <polete>     HorizSync       30.0 - 55.0
[00:33] <polete>     VertRefresh     50.0 - 120.0
[00:33] <unity`Buntu> why are you putting this in here...
[00:33] <polete>     Option         "DPMS"
[00:33] <polete> EndSection
[00:33] <polete> Section "Device"
[00:33] <polete>     Identifier     "Device0"
[00:33] <polete>     Driver         "nvidia"
[00:33] <CoJaBo-Eee> Its still going...
[00:33] <polete>     VendorName     "NVIDIA Corporation"
[00:33] <polete>     BoardName      "GeForce 7300 LE"
[00:33] <polete> EndSection
[00:33] <polete> Section "Screen"
[00:33] <polete>     Identifier     "Screen0"
[00:33] <polete>     Device         "Device0"
[00:33] <polete>     Monitor        "Monitor0"
[00:34] <polete>     DefaultDepth    24
[00:34] <polete>     Option         "TwinView" "0"
[00:34] <polete>     Option         "TwinViewXineramaInfoOrder" "CRT-0"
[00:34] <polete>     Option         "metamodes" "1152x864_60 +0+0"
[00:34] <polete>     SubSection     "Display"
[00:34] <polete>         Depth       24
[00:34] <polete>     EndSubSection
[00:34] <polete> EndSection
[00:34] <polete> sorry
[00:34] <polete> sorry  is a wrong me
[00:34] <unity`Buntu> is it over?
[00:34] <CoJaBo-Eee> lol
[00:36] <polete> i need the change the resolution of my computer  i cant
[00:36] <polete> ayyyy i am very crazy
[00:36] <polete> :(
[00:36] <brewmaster> any pine / gmail users here?  I can't get pine saving sent e-mails to gmail's imap/sent mail folder...
[00:41] <polete> sorry mans any person speak spanis becouse the canal spanish nothing     :(
[00:43] <unity`Buntu> hey..
[00:43] <unity`Buntu> i need some help editing my session..
[00:44] <unity`Buntu> compiz keeps crashing kde-window-decorator
[00:44] <unity`Buntu> someone told me, i should try emerald.
[00:45] <unity`Buntu> and tey said i should add emerald --replace to my session
[00:46] <unity`Buntu> anyone?
[00:47] <CoJaBo-Eee> ?
[00:47] <unity`Buntu> im supposed to add emerald --replace to my session..
[00:49] <dr_willis> unity`Buntu,  i tend to just install that fusion-icon tool to handle it.
[00:49] <dr_willis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[00:49] <polete> :)
[00:49] <unity`Buntu> hmm
[00:50] <dr_willis> !info fusion-icon
[00:50] <polete> delete xor.conf
[00:50] <polete> :)    one more  time start of   zero   garrr                :)
[00:51]  * GeOcs can anyone guide me how to install a winfast tv2000 RM on Ubuntu?
[00:53] <dr_willis> check google to see how well supported it is undder linux, plug it in.. power up.. pray..
[00:53] <dr_willis> :)
[00:54] <mneptok> "win*" in the name is usually a pretty good indicator ...
[00:55] <dr_willis> Totally depends on the chipset. You may want to check the MythBuntu forums also to see how well that card is supported
[00:57] <GeOcs> aw man, to manny new words, and others for me
[00:57] <GeOcs> my head is starting to hurt :)
[00:59] <krash> wtf is azureus called Vuze now?
[01:00] <krash> guess so, weird
[01:08] <Agent_bob> !schedual
[01:08] <Agent_bob> @schedual
[01:10] <dr_willis> krash,  yea. they are trying to push a 'service' and make the software appear to have a legal use. :)
[01:10] <Agent_bob> dr_willis which software ?
[01:11] <dr_willis> Vuze/Azurus
[01:11] <dr_willis> or however ya spell it
[01:11] <Agent_bob> heh oh.
[01:11] <dr_willis> http://www.vuze.com/app
[01:13] <dr_willis> Seems they are  sort of making deals with divx.com also..  interesting gizmo they are advertising   http://www.divx.com/connected/buyconnected/
[01:14] <dr_willis> D-Link DivX Connected HD Media Player (DSM-330) But its $214  - wonder if it runs linux. :)
[01:14] <zero__> hay alguien que hable español
[01:15] <Agent_bob> !es
[01:15] <zero__> gracias
[01:19] <Agent_bob> hmmm i just started three different x sessions one using kde one using gnome and one using xfce4, now my system is using Memory Used/Total Percent: 111/502 MB (22%)
[01:19] <Agent_bob> i can live with that.
[01:23] <oliver__> hi
[01:23] <oliver__> can someone help me?
[01:24] <oliver__> annyone?
[01:24] <oliver__> hi
[01:24] <dr_willis> and the question is?
[01:24] <oliver__> well i cant go above 800x600 on my computer
[01:24] <oliver__> im on ubuntu
[01:24] <oliver__> and i could when i was on windows
[01:25] <oliver__> can u help me?
[01:25] <dr_willis> Install the proper video card drivers for your video card.
[01:25] <dr_willis> !nvidia
[01:25] <oliver__> i cant find it
[01:25] <oliver__> i have a 3dfx voodoo3
[01:25] <oliver__> thank you
[01:27] <DarthFrog> !tdfx
[01:27] <DarthFrog> The tdfx driver is for Voodoo cards.
[01:27] <dr_willis> Egads... you have one of those? :)
[01:28] <dr_willis> I used those years ago.. not sure how well supported they are any more.
[01:28] <DarthFrog> I just took a Voodoo5 card out of one of my machines. :-)
[01:28] <dr_willis> Cutting edge! :0
[01:28] <oliver__> that didnt work
[01:28] <DasEi> whats the corresponding cmd to gnome-panel in kde ?
[01:28] <DarthFrog> Worked fine for what I used it for. :-)
[01:28] <oliver__> i did all it said
[01:29] <oliver__> it said to run hardware drivers
[01:29] <oliver__> and select the driver
[01:29] <oliver__> but its blank
[01:29] <oliver__> after i ran the terminal and ran the scripts
[01:30] <oliver__> help?
[01:30] <DarthFrog> oliver__: Sorry.  I've not anything to suggest.
[01:31] <oliver__> :-(
[01:31] <Agent_bob> using the vesa module (driver) will get you higher resolution, but not 3d support
[01:31] <oliver__> ive been trying 2 sort this for ages
[01:31] <oliver__> ive gone on every form
[01:31] <oliver__> and ppl have said things have sorted theres
[01:31] <oliver__> its recognising theres a video card there in the terminal
[01:31] <DarthFrog> oliver__: Do you need 3D?
[01:32] <oliver__> but nothing in hardware
[01:32] <oliver__> i dont know
[01:32] <oliver__> im new 2 ubuntu
[01:32] <oliver__> i only deal with the internet
[01:32] <DarthFrog> No games?
[01:32] <oliver__> but my websit isnt working for me
[01:32] <oliver__> i dont do games
[01:32] <DarthFrog> Why not buy an inexpensive modern card?
[01:33] <DarthFrog> Save you the grief.
[01:33] <oliver__> because i got dissmised out of college the other day
[01:33] <oliver__> and i have no job
[01:33] <NickPresta> !ping
[01:33] <oliver__> so i have no money
[01:33]  * Agent_bob never ever suggests buying hardware to support software.
[01:33] <DarthFrog> Well, I can't argue with your reasons.
[01:34] <oliver__> besides i may aswell buy a new computer if i could afford it this used 2 have windows 98
[01:34] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: You must be willing to =put up with a lot of grief.
[01:34] <oliver__> i have autism i dont kare
[01:34] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog grief ?   what grief ?
[01:34] <oliver__> but things do aannoy me
[01:34] <oliver__> i dont kare about grief
[01:34] <oliver__> i'll do annything
[01:34] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: Well, the kind of grief that oliver__ is going through to get his obsolete hardware working.
[01:34] <oliver__> cos my website will be my income
[01:35] <Agent_bob> oliver__ try using the vesa 'driver'
[01:35]  * DarthFrog agrees with Agent_bob
[01:35] <oliver__> the what?
[01:35] <oliver__> my ubuntu is different (ultimate)
[01:35] <oliver__> i dont know that i have that
[01:35] <Agent_bob> VESA
[01:35] <oliver__> how do i run it?
[01:36] <DarthFrog> oliver__: It's a common denominator video driver.
[01:36] <Agent_bob> sudo dpkg-recongifure xserver-xorg      ?
[01:36] <oliver__> what do i do?
[01:36] <Agent_bob> choose VESA as the vidio driver
[01:36] <oliver__> oh terminal
[01:36] <oliver__> i h8 that
[01:36] <oliver__> just loads of wrighting
[01:37] <oliver__> my m8 knows all the commands off by heart
[01:37] <oliver__> even he cant figure this out
[01:37] <oliver__> its saying command not found
[01:38] <Agent_bob> heh i typo.
[01:38] <oliver__> how do i choose vesa?
[01:38] <Agent_bob> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg      ?
[01:38] <oliver__> 1 sec i have like 20 different terminals
[01:38] <oliver__> this is the programmers eddition (ultimate)
[01:39] <oliver__> uhhhh...
[01:39] <oliver__> is it meant 2 be blue?
[01:40] <oliver__> do i want to use the kernel fra,ebuffer device interface?
[01:40] <oliver__> hello?
[01:40] <NickPresta> oliver__, no, probably not. I would use the default
[01:41] <oliver__> ok
[01:41] <DarthFrog> !framebuffer
[01:41] <oliver__> whats a keybord variant?
[01:42] <NickPresta> oliver__, you probably just want us, standard (104 keys)
[01:42] <NickPresta> you can change it later
[01:42] <DarthFrog> oliver__: Various types of keyboard.  You probably have a 104 key US standard.
[01:42] <oliver__> now its telling me no such device
[01:42] <oliver__> xserver-xorg postinst warning: overwriting possibly-customised configuration
[01:42] <oliver__>    file; backup in /etc/X11/xorg.conf.20081017014230
[01:42] <oliver__> FATAL: Error inserting battery (/lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/kernel/drivers/acpi/battery.ko): No such device
[01:43] <DarthFrog> oliver__: If it offers a default, accept it.
[01:43] <Agent_bob> oliver__ as per using kernel frame buffer within xorg  NOPE
[01:43] <oliver__> its the terminal
[01:43] <DarthFrog> oliver__: Is this for a laptop machine?
[01:43] <oliver__> no
[01:43] <Agent_bob> with a voodoo3 DarthFrog ?
[01:43] <oliver__> really old noisy desktop lol
[01:44] <oliver__> a 3dfx voodoo3
[01:44] <oliver__> thats it
[01:44] <DarthFrog> Oh right.  Ignore the error about the battery.
[01:44] <oliver__> from 1998
[01:44] <oliver__> ok
[01:44] <oliver__> is that it?
[01:44] <oliver__> its just the terminal now
[01:45] <Agent_bob> sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart
[01:45] <NickPresta> oliver__, thats good. You can restart X now to apply the changes. Logout, select Restart X from the menu there. Come back here if it doesn't work
[01:45] <oliver__> will thatn restart my pc?
[01:45] <Agent_bob> nope
[01:45] <Agent_bob> just xorg
[01:45] <oliver__> i dont know what that is
[01:45] <voss> I wish we could have Kubuntu 8.1 with a kde 3
[01:45] <oliver__> remember i only deal with web
[01:45] <Agent_bob> !Xorg
[01:45] <NickPresta> oliver__, you're restarting the thing that draws all the stuff on the screen
[01:46] <oliver__> kk
[01:46] <oliver__> now what? lol
[01:46] <NickPresta> oliver__, what do you mean?
[01:46] <oliver__> its the kernel again
[01:46] <baudthief> I'm at work and only have SSH/shell access to my box, is there any way to configure krfb via shell to enable uninvited connections?
[01:46] <oliver__> ...
[01:46] <voss> Hey are we gonna get a Kubuntu upgrade that actually works by Oct 30th?
[01:46] <oliver__> wha?
[01:47] <oliver__> y not get ubuntu?
[01:47] <NickPresta> voss, works? ;)
[01:47] <oliver__> isnt it better than kubuntu
[01:47] <oliver__> i have ubuntu ultimate
[01:47] <oliver__> its the best os ever
[01:47] <baudthief> baudthief gets it :P
[01:47] <NickPresta> !best
[01:47] <oliver__> still no hardware drivers bt the way
[01:47] <voss> Nick, Ubuntu with kde 3.5.10 works great, Kubuntu with kde 4.1 doesnt
[01:47] <Agent_bob> *buntu = *buntu = *buntu
[01:48] <oliver__> i did that
[01:48] <oliver__> it didnt work
[01:48] <Agent_bob> oliver__ so do you have higher resolution or not ?
[01:48] <oliver__> it broke gnome
[01:48] <oliver__> im looking
[01:48] <NickPresta> voss, if you're having a specific problem with KDE 4.X, you can ask in #kubuntu-kde4. If you're just upset with KDE4 in general, perhaps voicing your concerns in #kde might help?
[01:48] <Agent_bob> broke gnome ?    you'll have to qualify that.
[01:48] <oliver__> um...
[01:48] <dr_willis> I imagine theres  a kde forums thats best to 'rant' :)
[01:49] <oliver__> no
[01:49] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: you may know the answer to this: When dropping to commandline (ctrl+alt+F1), what's the proper way to log back into your session?
[01:49] <oliver__> i h8 kde
[01:49] <dr_willis> The joy of linux.. use what you like..
[01:49] <voss> Nick so far I havent been able to sucessfully upgrade from 8.04 to 8.1 on any machine,
[01:49] <Agent_bob> so why are you in the kde specific channel then oliver__ ?
[01:49] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: I'm currently killing Xorg, and then issuing "startx", but I know that can't be right
[01:49] <oliver__> my resolution still wont go up
[01:50] <DarthFrog> ign0ramus: Alt-F7
[01:50] <ign0ramus> DarthFrog: hmm... have not tried that
[01:50] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, I try Alt+F7 or startx. >_>
[01:50] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: but you have to kill Xorg before starting X or you get an error
[01:50] <NickPresta> voss, I can't speak for 8.10 right now. 8.10 isn't out as a public release yet, AFAIK
[01:51] <oliver__> my friend has 8.10
[01:51] <DarthFrog> NickPresta: It's a publically released beta.  Beta 2, in fact.
[01:51] <dr_willis> i often kill gdm/kdm and startx  - so i can see the x logs easier
[01:51] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, well, if you simply dropped to CLI then Alt+f7 should bring you back.
[01:51] <oliver__> he knows all the termina; commands off by heart lol
[01:51] <voss> Nick, usually the betas work fine with minor bugs
[01:51] <oliver__> and he uses vista mostly
[01:51] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: that's what i needed.  thx to you and DarthFrog
[01:51] <DarthFrog> voss: That's been my experience so far with 64 bit Intrepid Kubuntu.
[01:52] <voss> Darth what hardware are you using?
[01:52] <NickPresta> voss, well, if you're having trouble with 8.10, talk to the people in #ubuntu+1. Otherwise, I'm afraid I can't speak for intrepid
[01:52] <oliver__> nickpresta do a private chat with me
[01:53] <NickPresta> oliver__, I would prefer not to. More people are in here to help you. You haven't really given a specific issue you need help with
[01:53] <dr_willis> I plan on waiting a few weeks after 8.10 comes out.. to try upgrading. :)
[01:53] <baudthief> anyone know the service KRFB desktop sharing uses? I really need VNC access to my box :(
[01:53] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: any word on if kde3 will be an option yet?
[01:53] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  i havent been paying attention..
[01:53] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: you find kde4 usable enough to switch?
[01:53] <dr_willis> if not officially - i bet there will be Unoffical packages out very soon.,
[01:54] <dr_willis> I dont find KDE4 useable at all at this time
[01:54] <DarthFrog> voss: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58606/
[01:54] <dr_willis> It makes my laptop unbearably slow
[01:54] <ign0ramus> :) me neither.  I have it and login to update it, hoping that somehow it will just work the way i want
[01:54] <ign0ramus> but it appears i need patience
[01:54] <NickPresta> I disagree with KDE being 'unusable'. I use 4.1.2 for everyday tasks such as web browsing, IM, etc. as well as more specialized tasks - programming, graphics work, etc. I've yet to have any problem I haven't had in KDE3
[01:55] <Agent_bob> oliver__ ok pastebin these and see if someone can sort out your vidio/configuration issue.   echo -e "#####xorg.conf####\n`cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf`\n\n####lshw####\n`lshw -C display`\n\n####xwininfo####\n`xwininfo -all`\n" | pastebinit    #assuming you have pastebinit installed.
[01:55] <DarthFrog> baudthief: You know if you "ssh -Y ..." you can run your remote X apps on your local machine.
[01:55] <NickPresta> Agent_bob, I don't think he restarted X previously. I hold him to CABS and change his resolution
[01:55] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: for basic tasks, you are right; I've no real beef
[01:55] <baudthief> DarthFrog: WHAT!? How about currently running tasks?
[01:56] <DarthFrog> baudthief: Don't think so.
[01:56] <NickPresta> The fact that you can still run KDE3 apps in KDE4 is enough for me to warrant a switch at this point. :)
[01:56] <baudthief> DarthFrog: dammit, I really need to check my torrents :P
[01:56] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: that's a plus... some of the KDE4 apps need work (Ark)
[01:56] <Agent_bob> NickPresta well true enough, i have no way to know if he did what we suggested or not.
[01:57] <oliver__> im back
[01:57] <NickPresta> ign0ramus, agreed, but in time, those 'final' things with come. I don't recall KDE 3 being as awesome as it is now when it first was available for use
[01:57] <DarthFrog> baudthief: You'll probably have to turn on X forwarding in /etc/ssh/sshd.config.
[01:57] <oliver__> nick
[01:57] <Agent_bob> NickPresta if he didn't, and then pressed your reset, he'll come back mad at you.
[01:57] <oliver__> theres good news and bad news
[01:57] <NickPresta> oliver__, okay..
[01:57] <oliver__> the good news is theres new resolutions
[01:58] <baudthief> DarthFrog: oh my god. SSH - Y is *INSANE*, had no idea you could do that!
[01:58] <oliver__> bad news is there dows to 328 x 240
[01:58] <Agent_bob> NickPresta you nailed it.
[01:58] <oliver__> no
[01:58] <NickPresta> oliver__, what is the highest resolution available?
[01:58] <oliver__> 800 x 600
[01:58] <oliver__> lol
[01:59] <oliver__> but now 640 x 480 is available
[01:59] <Agent_bob> not using DPMS in his xorg.conf  ?
[01:59] <oliver__> ?
[01:59] <DarthFrog> baudthief: The number of things that I know nothing about is growing at an alarming rate.  I do know how to forward X over SSH, though. :-)
[01:59] <oliver__> im in monitor resolution settings
[02:00] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog lol   i resemble that remark
[02:00] <oliver__> why cant there be a programe where u select ur driver of a list and it installs the correct drivers
[02:01] <dr_willis> oliver__,  that hardware driver tool does that.. there are very few devices that need that.. Most drivers are allready included.
[02:01] <dr_willis> baudthief,  ssh - is a tool worth reading up on. :)
[02:01] <oliver__> :-l well mine wasnt lol
[02:01] <dr_willis> oliver__,  ive frogotten what your driver even was...
[02:01] <baudthief> dr_willis: in truth I've only ever used SSH for a remote shell lol
[02:01] <dr_willis> or device..
[02:01] <dr_willis> baudthief,  check out 'sshfs' also
[02:01] <oliver__> drivers is the biggest problem on ubuntu
[02:02] <Agent_bob> dr_willis voodoo3 card
[02:02] <oliver__> ...
[02:02] <dr_willis> oliver__,  and you have been using linux for how long to come to this conclusion?
[02:02] <oliver__> yes
[02:02] <oliver__> 3 months
[02:02]  * dr_willis wonders how well the voodoo3 is supported under vista.
[02:02] <oliver__> but my friend has sinceit came out
[02:02] <oliver__> my tuter made his own linux os
[02:02] <Agent_bob> oliver__ and when was that ?
[02:02] <baudthief> curse my capped upload at home, 30k/sec lol
[02:02] <oliver__> didnt publish it tho
[02:03] <dr_willis> check the xorg.conf see what driver its trying to use. In the past i iften find the X system tries to use a safer res. if it cant tell what res the mountor can handle.
[02:03] <oliver__> lol
[02:03] <oliver__> its trying to use voodoo3
[02:03] <oliver__> i ran that
[02:03] <DarthFrog> dr_willis: xorg.conf doesn't tell you anything anymore.
[02:03] <oliver__> i have a question
[02:03] <oliver__> what is sudo?
[02:04] <dr_willis> DarthFrog,  you can customize it still :)
[02:04] <ign0ramus> !sudo | oliver__
[02:04] <DarthFrog> !sudo
[02:04] <oliver__> argh
[02:04] <DarthFrog> sudo = SuperUser do.
[02:04] <dr_willis> if he found a live cd - that the thing did work properly in, he could use that as a basis for his own xorg.conf or just copy it over.
[02:04] <oliver__> the web makes my pc slow
[02:04] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog as opposed to su = switch users
[02:04] <dr_willis> its very likely - he just needs a proper modeline for his monitor.
[02:05] <oliver__> does anny1 know when shockwave will be available?
[02:05] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: Correct.
[02:05] <oliver__> theres a pertition online with 39000 signs
[02:05] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: su defaults to root, though.
[02:05] <oliver__> but they dont care
[02:05] <oliver__> im not in root...
[02:05] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog and sudo can accept user name arguments
[02:05] <ign0ramus> oliver__: have you pasted your xorg.conf?
[02:05] <oliver__> umm
[02:06] <oliver__> its saying...
[02:06] <oliver__> sudo: xorg.conf: command not found
[02:06] <oliver__> that helps
[02:06] <DarthFrog> oliver__: xorg.conf is a file in /etc/X11/
[02:06] <oliver__> well i dont know
[02:06] <oliver__> wheres etc?
[02:06] <ign0ramus> oliver__: "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[02:06] <oliver__> remember im only 16
[02:06]  * Agent_bob wonders why his guru friend doesn't do that for him
[02:07] <baudthief> so the apps I run using ssh -Y, are they appearing on my screen at home too? or are they actually _RUNNING_ on my local machine?
[02:07] <oliver__> he lives 4 hours away from me
[02:07] <oliver__> and he cant figure it
[02:07] <DarthFrog> baudthief: Running remotely, displaying locally.
[02:07] <ign0ramus> oliver__: can you copy and *pastebin* the .conf file?
[02:07] <oliver__> hes romoted my pc
[02:07] <baudthief> DarthFrog: Holy cow. That's infintely cool.
[02:07] <ign0ramus> oliver__: it's better when you can do it yourself ;)
[02:07] <oliver__> huh?
[02:07] <baudthief> *infinitely
[02:07] <oliver__> i watched...
[02:08] <oliver__> im good with windows lol
[02:08] <oliver__> but i wanna learn ubuntu
[02:08] <oliver__> i can do loads on windows
[02:08] <DarthFrog> baudthief: Actually, X is a networking protocol.  You don't need SSH to do it.  Just open up port 6100.
[02:08] <ign0ramus> oliver__: ok, you're having a display issue... Step 1, let's take a look at your xorg.conf
[02:08] <oliver__> i created a programe 2 run mac programes on xp
[02:08] <baudthief> DarthFrog: SSH is the only thing port-forwarded on my router at home ;]
[02:08] <oliver__> WHERE IS XORG>CONF
[02:08] <oliver__> lol
[02:09] <ign0ramus> [09:06PM] <ign0ramus> oliver__: "kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[02:09] <oliver__> i h8 ports
[02:09] <dr_willis> Time to read up on some linux basics i think oliver__
[02:09] <DarthFrog> oliver__: IT'S IN /ETC/X11.
[02:09]  * dr_willis points out that linux is Case Senesetive also..
[02:09] <baudthief> DarthFrog: he'll copy and paste that, and it wont work :P
[02:09] <oliver__> its creating...
[02:09] <oliver__> is that good?
[02:09] <ign0ramus> lolwut?
[02:09] <oliver__> lol
[02:09] <oliver__> HAY
[02:09] <baudthief> hahaha
[02:09] <DarthFrog> baudthief: He shouts, I shout. :-)
[02:10]  * dr_willis gets out the ignore button. :P
[02:10] <oliver__> u was right
[02:10] <oliver__> Invalid entry (missing '=') at /tmp/kde-root/kconf_updateYZW0ua.tmp:1
[02:10] <oliver__> what does it mean?
[02:10] <DarthFrog> Nothing.  Ignore it.
[02:10] <oliver__> what ever happend 2 english
[02:10] <oliver__> well now what?
[02:11] <ign0ramus> oliver__: english died when it saw your internet posting XD
[02:11] <oliver__> lol
[02:11] <oliver__> its only chat rooms
[02:11] <ign0ramus> oliver__: ok, have you opened up xorg.conf or not?
[02:11] <oliver__> u reserve 1 and you can set a password 4 it
[02:11] <oliver__> and have group chats
[02:11] <oliver__> it can take over 400 people
[02:11] <DarthFrog> oliver__: This may be "only" an IRC channel (not chat room) but proper grammar and spelling is always appreciated.
[02:11] <ign0ramus> oliver__: you are very hard to help.
[02:12] <oliver__> im english
[02:12] <oliver__> i dont know propper grammer
[02:12] <ign0ramus> oliver__: that's no excuse! :)
[02:12] <baudthief> lol linux built the fear of using uppercase characters into me, now even on irc i type in lowercase :P
[02:12] <oliver__> it is when im 16 aswell
[02:12] <ign0ramus> oliver__: ok, now that we know your a/s/l, would you like to fix your issue?
[02:12] <oliver__> mine is a chat tho
[02:13] <oliver__> u can put like a link on ur bebo
[02:13] <baudthief> ign0ramus: *issues
[02:13] <oliver__> for an event
[02:13] <DarthFrog> oliver__: At 16, it's time for you to strive for excellence.
[02:13] <oliver__> what what?
[02:13] <ign0ramus> baudthief: :-)
[02:13] <oliver__> im renting a flat soon
[02:13] <oliver__> with 2 m8s
[02:13] <oliver__> sorry about the slang
[02:13] <oliver__> are u ammerican?
[02:13] <ign0ramus> oliver__: if you could earn a living with randomness, you would be rich.
[02:13] <baudthief> you think you're aussie or something? :P
[02:13] <baudthief> @oliver
[02:14] <oliver__> what?
[02:14] <oliver__> :-S
[02:14] <oliver__> i get confused
[02:14] <oliver__> my friends say i should do stand up
[02:14] <ign0ramus> oliver__: maybe try sticking to one thing at a time ;)
[02:14] <baudthief> I guess I'm the only aussie here then :(
[02:14]  * baudthief kills self
[02:14] <oliver__> lol
[02:14] <baudthief> and no we dont root kangaroos.
[02:14] <oliver__> my friend lives there
[02:14] <ign0ramus> finally, we got rid of the Aussies!
[02:15] <oliver__> LOL
[02:15] <DarthFrog> ign0ramus: Let me guess, you're a Kiwi!
[02:15] <baudthief> ign0ramus: we're actually really old brits :P
[02:15] <oliver__> me?
[02:15] <oliver__> im not old
[02:15] <ign0ramus> DarthFrog: nope, just a perfect example of an American ;)
[02:15] <oliver__> my friend iwas shouting at me earlier
[02:15] <oliver__> its her bday in the morning
[02:15] <baudthief> bloody americans
[02:16] <oliver__> she was saying she was turning in2 a nan
[02:16] <oliver__> SHES 17
[02:16] <ign0ramus> baudthief: so, when i visit your great continent, may i crash on your couch?
[02:16] <DarthFrog> oliver__: Stick to Kubuntu issues, please.
[02:16] <oliver__> here?
[02:16] <baudthief> ign0ramus: you may indeed
[02:16] <ign0ramus> baudthief: <3 Aussies
[02:16] <oliver__> whats a continent?
[02:16] <oliver__> i dont know annything about ammerica
[02:17] <oliver__> all i know i learnt from american dad and family guy
[02:17] <oliver__> lol
[02:17] <ign0ramus> oliver__: that's all you need
[02:17] <uman>  Hello everyone. I have a really really big problem. I have windows xp installed under vmware workstation and I accidentally reverted back to an old snapshot and lost all my files and everything. I want to know if there is a way to undo the snapshot revert. If not, do you guys know what exactly happens when you go back to a snapshot? I mean, does the old .vmx (or entire virtual hdd partition) simply get erased and replaced by a new one? If so , I could simply
[02:17] <uman> [20:11] <uman> use recovery software to recover it right? Thanks. Which software do you recommend.
[02:17] <oliver__> you cant
[02:17] <DarthFrog> uman: This is the wrong place for such issues.  you need specific help from a VMWare channel.
[02:18] <oliver__> or just run the setup but partition it different
[02:18] <oliver__> i know how 2 fix it
[02:18] <oliver__> its xp
[02:18] <oliver__> as i said im good with xp
[02:18] <dr_willis> 'good with xp' means very little. :)
[02:18] <ign0ramus> uman: http://communities.vmware.com/docs/DOC-1490.pdf;jsessionid=7CDDF52158BD445EE919126B89B41346
[02:19] <ign0ramus> i'm also good at pointing and clicking icons ;)
[02:19] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  You got it.
[02:19] <oliver__> lol
[02:19] <oliver__> im good at that
[02:19] <oliver__> im good at bebo
[02:19] <dr_willis> Ive learned more about computers due to my using Linux, then i would EVER learned by using windows.
[02:19] <ign0ramus> oliver__: if you want to know how a computer 'works', Linux is for you
[02:19] <Agent_bob> dr_willis i have always viewed "good with (M$ whateva)" as more of a confession than a boast.
[02:20] <oliver__> i sont
[02:20] <oliver__> dont*
[02:20] <ign0ramus> if you don't care how a computer works, get a Mac :)
[02:20] <oliver__> i just fixed sum1s computer
[02:20] <oliver__> well... i say fixed...
[02:20] <oliver__> i made it look like a mac
[02:20] <dr_willis> oliver__,  you mught want to start putting a little more of a complete thought/statement on each line..   we can read long sentences.
[02:20] <ign0ramus> oliver__: installing Norton != 'fixing'
[02:20] <oliver__> with a couple of dll changes
[02:20] <oliver__> and boot screen changes
[02:20] <oliver__> logons
[02:20] <oliver__> icons
[02:21] <oliver__> just allot of renaming and moving
[02:21] <Agent_bob> !enter > oliver__
[02:21] <oliver__> and i got stardock
[02:21] <uman>  Hello everyone. I have a really really big problem. I have windows xp installed under vmware workstation and I accidentally reverted back to an old snapshot and lost all my files and everything. I want to know if there is a way to undo the snapshot revert. If not, do you guys know what exactly happens when you go back to a snapshot? I mean, does the old .vmx (or entire virtual hdd partition) simply get erased and replaced by a new one? If so , I could simply
[02:21] <uman> [20:11] <uman> use recovery software to recover it right? Thanks. Which software do you recommend.
[02:21] <uman> sorry pasted the wrong thing.
[02:21] <dr_willis> :)
[02:21] <uman> ign0ramus, thanks im going to read that
[02:21] <oliver__> i got told of by a bot
[02:22] <oliver__> :-S
[02:22] <ign0ramus> uman: np... it details how to clear out 'snapshots'
[02:22] <oliver__> how can a bot tellu off? it said i have to use one line
[02:22] <ign0ramus> !botsnack
[02:22] <dr_willis> !bot | oliver__
[02:23] <oliver__> ?
[02:23] <Agent_bob> you guys are no fun.
[02:23] <dr_willis> Its a bot.. it does what people tel it to do...
[02:23] <Agent_bob> ;/
[02:23] <oliver__> a bot just told me off
[02:23] <oliver__> for flooding and capsing
[02:23] <ign0ramus> Agent_bob: this is supposed to be a 'helping' channel
[02:23] <dr_willis> oliver__,  and your point is?
[02:23] <oliver__> i am helping
[02:23] <ign0ramus> Agent_bob: although, sometimes you have to exercise restraint ;)
[02:24] <Agent_bob> ign0ramus help yes, teach no.
[02:24] <ign0ramus> Agent_bob: agreed.
[02:24] <oliver__> same thing
[02:24]  * dr_willis goes back to working on his Anti-virus Live cd.
[02:24] <oliver__> yeah and my resolution
[02:24] <NickPresta> when on the live CD and you download something, like say packages, where are they stored?
[02:24] <oliver__> i cant put it up :-( ive tried everything
[02:24] <dr_willis> NickPresta,  ram disk i think.
[02:24] <ign0ramus> oliver__: i've only tried 3 times to help with your resolution, and you keep talking about Bebo :(
[02:25] <oliver__> either hard drive data disk or cd
[02:25] <dr_willis> oliver__,   i woudl test out some other live cd;s and if you find one that works. copy its xorg.conf over to use as a basis for your own customized xorg.conf
[02:25] <oliver__> (only cd if you have a cd)
[02:25] <NickPresta> dr_willis, its strange. my girlfriend added the multiverse/universe repos, updated and is trying to install ubuntu-restricted-extras and it says package not available/found
[02:25] <dr_willis> NickPresta,  could be the mirror is down/messed up.
[02:25] <oliver__> sorry lol
[02:25] <dr_willis> or some updates are in progresss.
[02:25] <oliver__> i did it 2 times
[02:25] <ign0ramus> NickPresta: is it listed in Adept/Synaptic?
[02:25] <Agent_bob> ign0ramus i have been told off several times for teaching rather than helping, in here.     i thought i would try a new approach.   "only answere dirrect and relavent questions."     but i'm not sure i can quit cold turkey.
[02:26] <dr_willis> NickPresta,  you did 'sudo apt-get update' first?
[02:26] <NickPresta> dr_willis, main ubuntu archive. its strange because she doesn't have an HDD in her laptop at the moment and it doesn't work, but last week it did, with the HDD in
[02:26] <NickPresta> dr_willis, yep
[02:26] <oliver__> yes
[02:26] <oliver__> my update was on the fritz the other day though
[02:26] <Agent_bob> NickPresta it's not in universe/multiverse.  it's in restricted
[02:26] <dr_willis> ubuntu-restricted-extras  will grab quite a bit of stuff..
[02:26] <Agent_bob> or is it ?
[02:27] <NickPresta> Agent_bob, that would definitely explain it. *shakes head*
[02:27]  * Agent_bob goes to see.
[02:27] <NickPresta> !info ubuntu-restricted-extras
[02:27] <NickPresta> in multiverse. I thought so
[02:27] <oliver__> i have all those extras
[02:27] <dr_willis> It maybe in multiverse.. but the stuff it isntalles maybe restricted.
[02:27] <Agent_bob> multiverse.    yes i pleed the fifth i just had.
[02:28] <NickPresta> hmm. okay. I'll get her to add the restricted repo
[02:29] <NickPresta> oliver__, not that I care, but if you're using ubuntu, why are you in #kubuntu?
[02:30] <oliver__> theres no ubuntu one
[02:30] <NickPresta> oliver__, theres #ubuntu ...?
[02:30] <oliver__> ?
[02:30] <oliver__> no
[02:30] <jtisme> and ubuntu+1
[02:30] <NickPresta> oliver__, what do you mean no?
[02:30] <oliver__> i mean theres no ubuntu chat
[02:30] <NickPresta> oliver__, there is the #ubuntu channel
[02:31] <oliver__> i dont understand your grammer
[02:31] <oliver__> where?
[02:31] <NickPresta> that's strange
[02:31] <oliver__> its not on my os
[02:31] <NickPresta> oliver__, type: /join #ubuntu
[02:31] <oliver__> for some reason i only seem to have kubuntu programes
[02:31] <oliver__> thankyou
[02:32] <dr_willis> I bet the #ubuntu guys will hate us now! :)
[02:32] <jtisme> I have enjoyed oliver_'s banter after a hard days work
[02:32] <NickPresta> jtisme, :)
[02:32] <dr_willis> ")
[02:32] <dr_willis> :)
[02:33]  * dr_willis watches the same questions/responses go on in #ubuntu now
[02:33] <jtisme> actually me thinks he is pulling our leg
[02:33] <NickPresta> jtisme, the thought has crossed my mind
[02:33] <jtisme> :)
[02:34] <NickPresta> wow. I don't recall #ubuntu having so many people in there. Numbers have certainly gone up
[02:34] <Agent_bob> jtisme we are unanomus it seems
[02:34] <Agent_bob> NickPresta 1200 ?
[02:35] <Agent_bob> NickPresta seems the avg i recall  ?
[02:35] <dr_willis> Thats about average.
[02:35] <dr_willis> seen 4000+ on release day. :)
[02:35] <dr_willis> or was it 3000+
[02:35] <NickPresta> Agent_bob, 1281, yeah. *shrug* perhaps my memory is mistaken
[02:35] <dr_willis> 1000 of them are idling..
[02:35] <dr_willis> :)
[02:36] <Agent_bob> 1200 of them are idling
[02:36] <Agent_bob> but the 80 of them trying to talk is more than i like to deal with
[02:36] <dr_willis> and 100 of them expect to be spoon fed linux basics.. because they cant be bothered to read any web sites...
[02:36] <dr_willis> :) oh wait.. that was mean...
[02:36] <dr_willis> sorry...
[02:37] <NickPresta> dr_willis, you would be surprised how many of them read the websites and still need to be spoon fed ;)
[02:37] <DarthFrog> dr_willis: Not mean.  Just realistic.
[02:37] <Agent_bob> and God forbid we try to decypher a man page .... ^
[02:37] <dr_willis> ok.. read and 'think' :)
[02:37] <NickPresta> but of course, we were all newbies once too...
[02:38] <dr_willis> I started using unix in 1986 in college. :) after using my amiga for years..
[02:38] <dr_willis> 'learning to learn' is step 1.
[02:38] <DarthFrog> NickPresta: There's nothing wrong with being a newbie.  But being a lazy newbie with a sense of entitlement ....
[02:38] <dr_willis>  entitlement! :)  thats the word
[02:38] <Agent_bob> "sense of entitlement"   pfft.
[02:39] <dr_willis> 'i demand you make it totally idiot proof.. but also allow me FULL  access to tweak/chanve every thing i may ever want to do.. with a idiot proof gui!'
[02:39] <Agent_bob> lol
[02:39] <dr_willis> 'and bend over backwards for me! and now do a backflip!'
[02:39] <DarthFrog> And run all my Windows apps flawlessly.
[02:39] <dr_willis> 'and do it for Free!'
[02:39] <Agent_bob> i like this one "if you make it idiot proof, they will just make a better idiot"
[02:40] <dr_willis> 'educate the user, dont dumb down the tool'
[02:40] <NickPresta> sigh
[02:41] <Agent_bob> that's what i just said
[02:41] <beata> I'm getting a 'Permission denied' error writing to a mounted cifs samba share, even when performing the write as root.
[02:41] <DarthFrog> dr_willis: THat doesn't fit with the GNOME philosophy.
[02:41] <dr_willis> DarthFrog,  yep.. ya got that right.
[02:41] <dr_willis> which is why i mixx and match gnome+kde apps all the time
[02:41] <DarthFrog> beata: Then perhaps the problem is with the share?
[02:41] <NickPresta> beata, how did you mount the share? Root can't write to something that isn't mount rw
[02:42] <Agent_bob> beata#  mount
[02:42] <dr_willis> also the remote machine needs to have specific permissions onthe share set
[02:42] <beata> Everything looks correct from here; the mounts are rw according to /proc/mounts
[02:42] <beata> config at http://dalhagen.net/public/smb.conf
[02:43] <DarthFrog> beata: Check permissions on the remote machine.
[02:43] <beata> Which permissions? On the share directory, or in the share config?
[02:44] <DarthFrog> beata: Both.
[02:44] <dr_willis> the classic 'yes' answer :)
[02:44] <beata> The share directory is writable on the server.
[02:45] <Agent_bob> two lines "   invalid users = root"  and  ";   security = user"   ???
[02:45] <Kal`Torak> hi. Funny question maybe: does the *amd64* release work with intel chips as well?
[02:45] <Agent_bob> you can't do anything as root if root is forbiden     no ?
[02:45] <DarthFrog> Kal`Torak: yES.
[02:46] <Kal`Torak> Thanks DarthFrog
[02:46] <DarthFrog> I hate the CAPS LOCK key.
[02:46] <beata> Wait..
[02:46] <Jammu> need a litle help What is a Bin file???
[02:46] <DarthFrog> I keep hitting it instead of TAB. :-(
[02:46] <beata> that's the wrong smb.conf
[02:46] <DarthFrog> Jammu: Binary.
[02:46] <Agent_bob> pfft.
[02:46] <Jammu> and it does what?
[02:46] <DarthFrog> Jammu: There is no general answer to that question.
[02:47] <Jammu> ok. can i instal it?
[02:47] <DarthFrog> Jammu: There is no general answer to that question.
[02:47] <Agent_bob> depends
[02:47]  * beata facepalms. "From the wrong computer."
[02:48] <Agent_bob> beata :)
[02:48] <Jammu> ok hot to i install it?
[02:48] <Kal`Torak> Ok, downloading the beta... this should be fun
[02:48] <DarthFrog> Jammu: What is it, specifically?
[02:49] <Jammu> google earth 4 linux
[02:49] <beata> The correct one is up now. Heh.
[02:49] <Agent_bob> bash /path/to/file.bin    #jammu generally speaking you don't want to though.
[02:49] <Agent_bob> !googleearth
[02:50] <Agent_bob> se the package    ^
[02:53] <Jammu> im back
[02:54] <DarthFrog> !googleearth | Jammu
[02:55] <Agent_bob> beata i don't see an issue generator there.    but i'm not a network guru either
[02:56] <Agent_bob> unless "case sensitive = yes"  is playing thundar with it somehow
[02:56] <beata> I'd swear it was working at one point.
[02:56] <Jammu> ok thanks
[02:56] <Jammu> bye
[02:59] <coloclone> !Medibuntu
[03:00] <DarthFrog> Hmm, that Medibuntu entry is somewhat lacking.
[03:00] <DarthFrog> Medibuntu is mostly multimedia.
[03:01] <dr_willis> Medibuntu has 'hot-babe' package. :)
[03:03] <beata> ....
[03:03] <beata> I found it.
[03:04] <beata> I had to set my mount user as an admin user in smb.conf
[03:08] <beata> No, that doesn't actually work.
[03:09] <beata> Me dammit.
[03:11]  * Agent_bob really doesn't know.   but then again he lives in a world where root is not root, disks have no partitions and there is no suid.
[03:12] <beata> Hee hee.
[03:13]  * DarthFrog wants some of whatever Agent_bob is indulging in. :-)
[03:14] <EtFb> I notice the new 2.6.24-21 kernel has arrived and Apt wants me to install it.  But I use VMWare Server 2.0, and I've had trouble in the past with kernel upgrades.  Has anyone experienced any problems this time around?
[03:15]  * adrian Hi. can anyone help me and guide me in how to install my tv tunner?
[03:17] <DarthFrog> adrian: Is it a Hauppauge card?
[03:19] <DarthFrog> !ivtv
[03:19] <adrian> DarthFrog:  dunno what that means
[03:20] <DarthFrog> adrian: What is your TV tuner card?
[03:20] <adrian> just installed yesterday for the first time linux
[03:20] <adrian> well, winfast tv2000 xp rm
[03:20] <DarthFrog> Ah.  I doubt it'll work.  The "Win" is damning.
[03:21] <adrian> I saw on forums that other people installed it. But I don't understand all the steps that I have to take in the process
[03:21] <DarthFrog> Try this: http://www.linuxhelp.net/guides/tvtuner/
[03:21] <rogan> !wifi
[03:21] <rogan> there a good wifi finder ?
[03:22] <Agent_bob> pfft i think i have root login disabled, even though i just created a "root" on this box...  ;/
[03:23] <adrian> hope it will be usefull
[03:23] <adrian> thanks
[03:23] <coloclone> !hot-babe
[03:23] <coloclone> Shucks
[03:24] <Agent_bob> !info hot-babe
[03:24] <Agent_bob> dr_willis said it was in the medibuntu
[03:24] <coloclone> 2 bad.... It's probably a compiz plugin
[03:25] <woddf2> Hello
[03:25] <harolddong> I keep all my documents and music and stuff on a separate fat32 drive and I have links my music, pictures and video folders in my home folder and on my desktop.  The permissions on the drive seem fine.  I can write to and execute apps etc.  I just can't change the folder icons.  I just installed Kubuntu Ibex Beta but this has been an issue that I've had since Kubuntu Gutsy.  I can't change any icons for any folders on fat32 drives
[03:25] <woddf2> I installed KDE 4, but it was 4.0 instead of 4.1.
[03:25] <woddf2> How do I upgrade to KDE 4.1.x?
[03:26] <DarthFrog> No. Hot-babe is a process monitor.  Her clothing status reflect the activity of the system. :-)
[03:26] <coloclone> HAHA from http://www.dindinx.net/hotbabe/ "Yes, there are bugs in Hot-Babe."
[03:27] <woddf2> I installed KDE 4, but it was 4.0 instead of 4.1.
[03:27] <woddf2> How do I upgrade to KDE 4.1.x?
[03:27] <DarthFrog> woddf2: You could just wait till Hallowe'en and upgrade to Intrepid.  It has KDE 4.1.2
[03:27] <harolddong> Strangley the links to the drive in my home folder show up with the old kde crystal icons... which I dont even have anymore since I'm using Ibex.  I read somethin about maybe the drive is still owned by an old install but I dont have any idea how to fix it
[03:27] <woddf2> I was running KDE 4.1.2 in Kubuntu 8.04 earlier and it worked fine!
[03:30] <woddf2> Well...?
[03:31] <woddf2> ...anyone?
[03:32] <NCommander> woddf2, its only in Intrepid
[03:32] <NCommander> Which is still in development
[03:32] <woddf2> I was running KDE 4.1.2 in Kubuntu 8.04 earlier and it worked fine!
[03:32] <NCommander> If you want to use a development distribution which might be buggy as hell, you can use Intrepid
[03:32] <NCommander> (although its fairly stable ATM)
[03:32] <NCommander> woddf2, not via offical packages than
[03:34] <woddf2> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1
[03:34] <EtFb> Anyone here using VMWare Server 2.0?
[03:36] <gladtr_> yes
[03:36] <gladtr_> this is good soft
[03:36] <Agent_bob> harolddong not sure. but have you tried changing the icon for the real path rather than the symbolic path ?
[03:37] <gladtr_> EtFb are you question ?
[03:37] <EtFb> No, I person.  Are you question?
[03:38] <gladtr_> Anyone here using VMWare Server 2.0?
[03:38] <Agent_bob> that sentance no verb
[03:38] <EtFb> Agent_bob: That sentence no correct spelling.
[03:38] <EtFb> I notice the new 2.6.24-21 kernel has arrived and Apt wants me to install it.  But I use VMWare Server 2.0, and I've had trouble in the past with kernel upgrades.  Has anyone experienced any problems this time around?
[03:38] <harolddong> I've tried changing the icon on the actual folder that's on my fat32  drive and on the link in my home folder using system icons.  the actual folder shows no icon and can't be changed.  the link shows the old kde3 crystal icon which isnt even installed.. and also can't be changed
[03:39] <woddf2> I found it on the Web.
[03:39] <Agent_bob> interesting.   but i don't know.
[03:39] <woddf2> Thanks anyway
[03:39] <woddf2> Goodbye
[03:40] <harolddong> Like I said I read some about it and it seems like it might be a case of the dive stilll being owned by the old install.. but I just wouldnt know where to begin figuring out how to fix it
[03:40] <gladtr_> EtFb error message  ???
[03:41] <EtFb> gladtr_: If you can't communicate clearly in English, perhaps there's a channel you'd be more comfortable in.  Try typing "!xx" where "xx" is the country code for your preferred language; for example, "!es" for Espagnol, "!fr" for Francais, etc.
[03:41] <Agent_bob> harolddong ownership i do somewhat understand.   try this     sudo chown -R $USER:$USER $HOME
[03:42] <rogan> need some wifi advise please. I finally got my drivers working for my wifi card and network manager detects the card. when I go to create a new network I type in all of the information at wich point status bar hitas about 40% connected and then errors out on me
[03:42] <gladtr_> :-(
[03:42] <EtFb> gladtr_: Ah, no, I don't think there's any channel called #ubuntu-emoticons...
[03:43] <gladtr_> I`m good read and understund english, but i while good speak and write.
[03:44] <Agent_bob> indeed
[03:45] <gladtr_> i dont want offend you
[03:45] <DarthFrog> gladtr_: We're not offended.  Not at all.
[03:45] <DarthFrog> We are just having trouble understanding you.
[03:46] <DarthFrog> gladtr_: What is your native language?
[03:47] <gladtr_> yes I`m understood too, but  if I dont have talking   I`m dont  talking with other  people
[03:47] <gladtr_> my native language russian.
[03:47] <Agent_bob> !ru
[03:48] <gladtr_> I`m dont  need help
[03:48]  * EtFb is impressed at what a mess this IRC program made of that bit of Cyrillic...
[03:49] <gladtr_> I`m want help self
 Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке  / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke
[03:49] <gladtr_> I`m reading this
[03:51] <DarthFrog> gladtr_: Your English is better than my Russian.  But I'm afraid your English isn't quite good enough for us to actually understand you.
[03:51] <DarthFrog> You'd be better served in #ubuntu-ru.
[03:51] <gladtr_> yes... its write
[03:52] <rogan> is essid same thing as ssid?
[03:53] <Agent_bob> rogan extended ssid  ??? only a guess.
[03:53] <DarthFrog> gladtr_: Are you here to *get* help or to *offer* help to others?
[03:53] <gladtr_> I`m екн will not disturb
[03:53] <Serva> wow, DarthFrog which timezone you have over there?
[03:53] <DarthFrog> Serva: ?? PDT.
[03:53] <gladtr_> to *offer* help to others?
[03:53] <DarthFrog> UTC -7
[03:53] <Serva> last time when i chatted here .. the sun just rose in the sky.. and now its almost night. :)
[03:54] <Serva> and you're still shining bright :)
[03:54] <gladtr_> to *offer* help to others
[03:54] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog umm is it minus or plus seven ?
[03:54] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: 7 hours behind UTC.
[03:55] <EtFb> Agent_bob: Minus sounds right.  California time, I believe.
[03:55] <Serva> by the way, hip hop is rocking!
[03:55] <EtFb> I quite like the FoxClocks add-in for Firefox, BTW.
[03:55] <DarthFrog> Serva:  I still haven't found the server to download a life from. :-)
[03:55] <EtFb> gladtr_: Do you have experience with VMWare Server and Kubuntu?
[03:56] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog yes. and if you use tzconfig and adjust by gtm[+/-]#  you will find that either the configurator and time calculations is wrong or that's gmt+7 you are in.
[03:56] <gladtr_> yes ыууь :-)
[03:56] <Serva> DarthFrog, somebody stole it from me looooooooooong back. I could have helped you with that, otherwise.
[03:56] <gladtr_> yes seem :-)
[03:57] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog i've taken issue with that for quite some time now.    just thought i'd point it out.
[03:57] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: Hmm, that's somewhat ... unintuitive.
[03:57] <Agent_bob> indeed it is.
[03:58] <EtFb> gladtr_: OK.  The only Russian I know is da, nyet and Racmaninoff, but maybe you can help.  Is your kernel updated?
[03:58] <DarthFrog> It's currently 0300 UTC.  it's 2000 PDT.
[03:58] <DarthFrog> That's -7 hours to me.
[03:58] <Agent_bob> but what they are saying is that utc is your time + 7 hours.
[03:58] <gladtr_> yes
[03:58] <DarthFrog> EtFb: Surely you also know Smirnoff? :-)
[03:58] <Serva> Obama was heard talking about bubble sort!
[03:58] <microchipv420> Heys guys, I need some help sorting out a pc repair issue, I get a error beep message at start up that i am not familiar with. The computer will not boot up as well
[03:58] <harolddong> Agent_bob that command didnt give any errors but my problem is still there.  Icons cant be changed
[03:58] <Serva> did anyone listen to that interview?
[03:59] <EtFb> DarthFrog: Oddly, I don't drink.  So no, I've never met the gentleman...
[03:59] <gladtr_> russian vodka try  in practik?
[03:59] <microchipv420> what is the pc repair channel, anyone know?
[03:59] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: I guess that made sense to someone sometime.
[03:59] <Agent_bob> anyone that can help harolddong with folder/icons ?
[03:59] <EtFb> microchipv420: The beeps indicate a problem during inital BIOS startup, before any OS is loaded.
[03:59] <gladtr_> I`m never drink vodka and beer
[03:59] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog not to me but they say it's not a bug.
[04:00] <Serva> there's a good song.. on vodka and red bull
[04:00] <EtFb> microchipv420: Google the motherboard brand and see if there's a manual explaining the different beeps and their meanings.
[04:00] <Serva> as i remember it :-)
[04:00] <microchipv420> EtFb, right, what channel should i check with, or is there a way i can reset the BIOS to the defaults?
[04:00] <microchipv420> even failsafe?
[04:00] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: I can understand that.  I also use numeric dates as day/month/year.  Americans use month/day/year.  Confusing.
[04:01] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog and mil uses year/month/day
[04:01] <microchipv420> EtFb: doh! <slaps forehead> thanks, cya later
[04:01] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: That's probably the best way to use it.
[04:01]  * Serva thinks is it the right time to sleep or stretch a lil more, and try to work?????
[04:02] <Agent_bob> Serva right time to help harolddong with his issue if you can
[04:02] <EtFb> microchipv420: Just be sure to get the exact model.  The meaning changes all over the place.  On one machine a beep may mean "video card missing", on another it may mean "motherboard is on fire".
[04:03] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog it makes sorting by date much easier when it's in that order  y/m/d
[04:03] <EtFb> gladtr_: Did you get the recent kernel upgrade?  To linux-image-2.6.24-21-generic?
[04:04] <gladtr_> yes
[04:04] <Serva> Agent-bob, I wish I was that *informed* about kubuntu -- I was totally a windows user... until last week of september. I liked every bit of it! :-)
[04:04] <EtFb> Are you running Linux as a guest or host?
[04:04] <gladtr_> EtFb: YES
[04:04] <gladtr_> YES
[04:04] <gladtr_> as host and guest
[04:04] <Agent_bob> EtFb no double questions please.... :)
[04:05] <harolddong> this is my fstab http://pastebin.com/m1bd5fdcf maybe its set wrong
[04:05] <EtFb> Agent_bob: Are you sure, or is there a turnip in your nose?
[04:05] <EtFb> Agent_bob: Answer in binary, please.
[04:05] <harolddong> again I have no problem writing to my fat drives its just that no folder icons can be changed
[04:05] <EtFb> gladtr_: Does VMWare Server work now, with the new kernel?
[04:06] <EtFb> gladtr_: Did it need to install again?
[04:06] <harolddong> in /media only my ntfs drive actually has a harddrive icon.  the fat drives show s egular folders
[04:06] <DarthFrog> harolddong: Your fstab looks fine for /media/sdb5.
[04:07] <gladtr_> after upgrade kernel only install fresh my VMWARE server working
[04:07] <Agent_bob> harolddong yeah that fstab is fine as frogs hair split four ways
[04:07] <DarthFrog> harolddong: But the "users" should be "user", singular.
[04:07] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog both can be used.  they do different things
[04:07] <gladtr_> and i try find this problem on vmware site KB but dont find
[04:07] <EtFb> gladtr_: Good.  Thank you.  That is good news.
[04:08] <gladtr_> not at all
[04:08] <EtFb> gladtr_: The KB site is unreliable.  I don't know why.  Sometimes the search doesn't work.
[04:08] <harolddong> yeah and sdb5 is where the folders I keep everything are so that's what I link to on every install.  only now the actual music and pics folder shows a blank iconn... unless I link them in my home folder.. then the links show the old crystal icons... very weird
[04:09] <Agent_bob> If any user should be able to unmount, then use users instead of user in the fstab line. <<, man mount
[04:09] <Agent_bob> DarthFrog ^
[04:09] <DarthFrog> Agent_bob: Thanks, I didn't realise that.  The man page is clear on the distinction.
[04:10] <gladtr_> I dont say that is unreliable but many information  there cant find
[04:10] <ofv> while updating the kernel, the updater stopped at the middle of the progress bar with the message configuring linux-.. (version number etc)
[04:10] <EtFb> Dosvedanya, tovarishchi!
[04:10] <gladtr_> ))))
[04:11] <gladtr_> good buy lady and gentlmen
[04:11] <ofv> closed the updater and now i ps -a show this processes:
[04:11] <ofv> linux-image-2.6, frontend, update-grub, ucf, whiptail
[04:12] <ofv> how can i fix this? do i kill those processes?
[04:12] <Agent_bob> sudo killall dpkg
[04:12] <Agent_bob> !adeptcrashfix
[04:13] <Agent_bob> ya might be wanting that too  ofv ^
[04:13] <ofv> Agent_bob: okay, I'll try it.
[04:18] <Agent_bob> i think i will start logging in and running as root just to cause confusion.
[04:18] <Agent_bob> seeing that i have added a "root" acount
[04:23] <Agent_bob> oh my.  look at me, i'm irc'ing as root     hehhe.
[04:24] <Agent_bob> it's not just a name anymore, it's an account.
[04:25] <Agent_bob> anyway.   gooday, folks.
[04:25] <ofv> Agent_bob: gooday, and thanks for helping to fix my problem.
[04:36] <gladtr_> gooday all
[04:41] <testingKubuntu> hmm
[04:41] <testingKubuntu> seems ok
[04:47] <dsmith_> anyone use vmware
[04:53] <draik> Where can I get Terminal Server Client?
[04:53] <draik> I used to have it, but now it's gone.
[04:54] <aitd> synaptic?
[04:56] <aitd> draik: Synaptic has it as tsclient
[04:56] <draik> Thank you, aitd
[04:56] <aitd> np
[05:03] <dygash> Hello everyone, I am a new user on Ubuntu, I just wanted to say hi, and I look forward to using this room as a repository for advice and information in the coming days and weeks.
[05:12] <cilkay> Hello. I'm trying to understand how Xorg decides that it should detect my ViewSonic 15GA as a "Plug 'n' Play" monitor instead of correctly detecting it as a "ViewSonic 15GA" and set the screen resolution to a bizarre 1280x768 @ 60Hz.
[05:13] <cilkay> This is on Hardy on a fresh install.
[05:13] <cilkay> Is there a way to make X monitor detection more reliable on Kubuntu?
[05:15] <cilkay> Manually setting it is a non-starter, by the way. I'm doing preseed installations on ~ 50 machines with varying graphics chipsets and monitors so fiddling with that in the System Settings control panel isn't feasible.
[05:16] <cilkay> ... aside from the fact that it's flakey in Kubuntu anyway. What you select for the screen resolution only seems to be loosely correlated to what it actually starts with the next time you reboot.
[05:21] <draik> How do I lock an entire basket in Basket? I create a few different baskets. I want to lock everything from the main basket down to the sub-basket.
[05:22] <draik> Password only locks the one basket page, not the entire thing.
[05:24] <rogan> deiver problem cilkay?
[05:25] <cilkay> I presume you mean driver. If so, no.
[05:25] <rogan> driver*
[05:25] <cilkay> It happens on various machines.
[05:25] <cilkay> K/Ubuntu's hardware detection just doesn't seem to be that good.
[05:26] <cilkay> On Mandriva, the correct chipset and monitor is detected first time, every time so it's obviously feasible.
[05:27] <cilkay> Knoppix had a reputation for having excellent HW detection. I haven't tried it recently.
[05:27] <cilkay> I wonder how it would do on this?
[05:30] <microchipv420> does anyone know if there are "Employment Oppurtunities" IRC channels anywhere?
[05:35] <dygash> Evolution keeps crashing on KDE shortly after loading, I have linked 3 email addresses to it, overload of mail?
[05:38] <cilkay> dygash: Very unlikely. Start it from a shell and see if it outputs anything interesting to the console.
[05:39] <cilkay> microchipv420: "Employment Opportunities" are as close as your nearest open source project.
[05:39] <cilkay> If you want to make a mark, contribute in some meaningful way to an open source project.
[05:40] <cilkay> You can then point to that project and proudly say, "I did that!" to a prospective employer.
[05:41] <cilkay> microchipv420: What can you do?
[05:43] <microchipv420> cilkay: hey, sorry i just saw ya, I'm watching the ninja turtles trilogy :) I am an out of work graphic Designer, specializing in print design and corporate branding
[05:48] <pantherad> hey all... i have a very basic question about linux / windows files if i could (i literally just installed ubuntu today for the first time)
[05:49] <pantherad> can someone field it?
[05:49] <cilkay> Ask and you might receive.
[05:49] <pantherad> i have a ton of media files (mp3's mostly) that are on my windows drive... is it possible to access them from ubuntu?
[05:50] <jtmoney> pantherad: yes
[05:51] <pantherad> that's good :)  i'm all ears.. how?
[05:51] <jtmoney> i do it from the command line, so good luck... basically, you want to run: sudo smbmount /dev/sda1 /path/where/to/mount
[05:51] <jtmoney> well, sda1 could be hda1, sdb1, etc.
[05:51] <jtmoney> how is/are your drive(s) partitioned?
[05:52] <pantherad> i have two 320gig drives as a raid 0 device (windows drive) and a 160 gig drive as my ubuntu drive, both were formated in NTSF
[05:52] <jtmoney> hmm, okay... just follow this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[05:53] <jtmoney> so, basically, hda1 or sda1 will be the RAID drives
[05:53] <jtmoney> probably sda1
[05:53] <jtmoney> but sudo fdisk -l will tell you
[05:53] <jtmoney> there's probably an easier way within KDE, i'm just not familiar with it :)
[05:54] <pantherad> and by doing this i'm not going to actually fdisk my windows drive am i? :)
[05:54] <jtmoney> heh, no
[05:54] <jtmoney> but good point
[05:54] <pantherad> sorry, i'm REALLY new to linux... as of today, actually
[05:54] <jtmoney> yeah, well you're doing fine... you partitioned your drives right, on IRC asking questions
[05:55] <jtmoney> i'm not all that great myself heh
[05:55] <jtmoney> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions/ThirdPartyNTFS3G
[05:55] <jtmoney> hmm, looks like you could just install ntfs-config
[05:57] <pantherad> yeah, looking at that now
[06:08] <rogan> http://www.geekologie.com/2008/10/guy_plays_36_world_of_warcraft.php
[06:09] <rogan> somes no lifeone ha
[06:09] <rogan> someone has no life*
[06:12] <chairman> how do i get adobe flash on here
[06:14] <cilkay> chairman: Google for "add the medibuntu repository"
[06:14] <cilkay> Then install Flash as you would install anything else.
[06:16] <dygash> In a tar.gz folder which contains a linux app installsion app i just downloaded, what file am I looking for to run the install?
[06:16] <cilkay> dygash: What are you installing?
[06:16] <dygash> the program is celtx
[06:16] <SkEmO> i downloaded a plugin for amsn, but,  it contains several folders and 2 exe files in one folder, how do i add the plug in to amsn?
[06:16] <dygash> www.celtx.com
[06:17] <cilkay> dygash: There is no package for it?
[06:17] <dygash> first day on linux
[06:17] <cilkay> SkEmO: exe files run on Windows, not Linux.
[06:17] <SkEmO> i know, the package is for all OS
[06:17] <cilkay> dygash: All the more reason not to pollute your system with unmanaged packages, if you can help it.
[06:18] <dygash> this is the only thing i need to download besides LAME
[06:18] <dygash> download/install that is
[06:18] <cilkay> dygash: APT gives you a predictable and coherent way of installing/upgrading/removing software. If at all possible, you should install software using apt, not from source.
[06:19] <dygash> ok
[06:19] <cilkay> If there is a package, someone else will have done the heavy lifting for you.
[06:20] <mattc_> ...And if there isn't?
[06:21] <dygash> sorry I forgot about doing it from the shell, hmm i tried sudo aptitude celtx but it didn't find it
[06:21] <SkEmO> is there any windows emulator besides wine?
[06:21] <dygash> *aptitude install celtx
[06:21] <SkEmO> wine doesent work for me
[06:22] <cilkay> mattc_: Find an alternative, build from source or, build a package and install that.
[06:23] <mattc_> then we get back to the whole unmanaged package thing :(
[06:23] <cilkay> mattc_: Not necessarily. You can build a package yourself.
[06:23] <cilkay> I've never built .deb packages but I've built plenty of RPMs. It's not that difficult.
[06:24] <cilkay> If you know how to build from source, you already know must of what you need to know to build packages.
[06:24] <chairman> cilkay it's for ubuntu
[06:24] <cilkay> Sure, the concept is still the same.
[06:25] <dygash> hmm ok i don't know how to know if somethings packaged, and I have saved the download and tried sudo aptitude install celtx but it can't find anything.
[06:25] <cilkay> There are some intricacies you'll have to learn about building Debian packages but it's not rocket science.
[06:25] <mattc_> does ubuntu have a mechanism by which packages installed from source can be recorded in a "world" file. Sorry, new to Ubuntu, Gentoo has been where I am at for the last few years.
[06:25] <cilkay> dygash: One sec. I'm looking for it on my machine.
[06:26] <dygash> cilkay: thanks, I appreciate the help
[06:27] <cilkay> dygash: I don't see it in the repos and I have multiverse, universe, partner, and medibuntu enabled.
[06:27] <cilkay> I'll just take a look at the tarball to see what it's about.
[06:28] <dygash> cilkay:  I found it mentioned on the Ubuntu forums and was linked to www.celtx.com where they have a linux version avaliable
[06:29] <cilkay> Oh cool. It appears to be a Mozilla app. It might run on XULRunner.
[06:29] <dygash> sorry got that wrong, link from ubuntu to a blog and celtx from there. Still if theres a linux version it cant be harmful can it?
[06:30] <dygash> cilkay:  I don't know what XULRunner is
[06:30] <cilkay> You use Firefox?
[06:30] <dygash> yes
[06:31] <cilkay> FF is an example of an application built using the Mozilla development platform.
[06:31] <cilkay> XULRunner is essentially the run-time engine that one can use to run apps built with the Mozilla development platform.
[06:32] <cilkay> You can think of it as Firefox without all the browser bits.
[06:32] <dygash> ok, so its a dependency for celtx?
[06:32] <cilkay> Firefox at the very least is.
[06:32] <cilkay> Or perhaps XULRunner.
[06:32] <cilkay> I don't know yet.
[06:32] <dygash> ok
[06:33] <dygash> yeah it looks like a great piece of programming, hoping I can get this going tonight
[06:34] <dygash> was originally looking for a script writing software replacement to final draft and came across this. Love the multi purpose functioning
[06:39] <cilkay> dygash: I have it running but it's running in some Eastern European language.
[06:39] <dygash> the sites got alot of different language versions
[06:39] <cilkay> Ah yes.
[06:40] <dygash> think they mixed the links up?
[06:40] <cilkay> I just downloaded the Bulgarian one, apparently.
[06:40] <dygash> :p
[06:40] <chairman> can i type tht in the terminal
[06:41] <dygash> cilkay: so what do I need to do in shell to get this bad boy happening?
[06:42] <cilkay> Trivially easy actually.
[06:43] <cilkay> It's quite self-contained so it doesn't really matter that it doesn't have a package.
[06:43] <cilkay> sudo -i
[06:43] <chairman> cilkay
[06:43] <cilkay> cd /usr/local; tar xzf /path/to/your/celtx/tarball
[06:43] <cilkay> That will expand the tarball into /usr/local
[06:44] <cilkay> To invoke, /usr/local/celtx/celtx
[06:44] <cilkay> ... as per the docs on their wiki.
[06:45] <cilkay> The UI will have that characteristic Mozilla look.
[06:46] <cilkay> I'm glad you asked the question dygash. I now have another piece of the multimedia application puzzle for the school that I'm helping to convert to Linux.
[06:46] <draik> I am trying to connect to my girl's computer via TSClient and when prompted for the password, I am unable to enter anything in the box.
[06:47] <cilkay> draik: I use krdc for that purpose. Works fine for me.
[06:47] <dwidmann> draik: maybe it's just not showing you what you input
[06:48] <draik> cilkay: She's on WinXP, I'm on Kubuntu
[06:48] <dwidmann> draik: try typing blind and hitting enter
[06:48] <draik> I did. It doesn't work
[06:48] <draik> :(
[06:48] <cilkay> draik: Yes, I presumed that.
[06:49]  * dwidmann seconds kdrc
[06:49] <dwidmann> **krdc
[06:49] <cilkay> draik: In the "remote desktop" field, I type: rdp:/WindowHost
[06:49] <cilkay> ... in krdc
[06:49] <dygash> cilkay:  having trouble finding the path, its on the desktop
[06:49] <draik> RDP will log her out of the account.
[06:49] <cilkay> Finding what path?
[06:50] <dygash> to celtx
[06:50] <draik> I'm trying VNC so we can screen share at the same time
[06:50] <cilkay> dygash: ~/Desktop
[06:50] <dygash> cd/user/local; tar xzf ~/desktop/celtx/tarball ?
[06:50] <cilkay> dygash: Actually, more like /home/dygash/Desktop
[06:51] <cilkay> cd /usr/local
[06:51] <draik> No possible way to stream at the same time?
[06:51] <dygash> sorry cdspace user
[06:51] <cilkay> No "e" and note the space.
[06:52] <cilkay> dygash: A fellow Torontonian!
[06:53] <dygash> cilkay:  just moved here, from England originally
[06:54] <cilkay> draik: There is some screen sharing thing built into Windows but I have no idea how to use it. VNC should let you do that but you don't use rdp for VNC. krdc will work for either rdp or vnc protocols.
[06:54] <dwidmann> dygash: though it's tempting to say usr, it's educational to know that it actually stands for unix system resources or some such ... hehehe
[06:55] <dygash> cilkay:  sorry to be a pain cd usr/local; tar xzf /home/'dygash'/Desktop/celtx/tarball isn't finding it apparently
[06:55] <cilkay> dygash: BASH has file name completion.
[06:56] <cilkay> Use it to your advantage.
[06:56] <cilkay> I don't know if your home directory is actually /home/dygash
[06:56] <cilkay> Substitute whatever your username is for dygash.
[06:56] <dygash> i have
[06:56] <cilkay> ... and lose the quotes
[06:57] <dygash> quotes were to emphasis i understood that part sorry
[06:57] <cilkay> dygash: Actually, Desktop is where Mozilla downloaded *my* file. Sorry, I should have mentioned that your file might be elsewhere.
[06:57] <cilkay> I'm getting dozy at this late hour.
[06:58] <cilkay> dygash: To invoke file name completion, you hit the Tab key as you type, by the way.
[06:59] <cilkay> It saves a lot of typing (and mistakes).
[06:59] <dwidmann> cilkay: when passing out instructions, it's more convenient to use $USER ... that way people don't have to edit it :)
[06:59] <cilkay> true
[07:00] <cilkay> dygash: http://wiki.celtx.com/index.php?title=Installation
[07:00] <cilkay> I'm off. Good night.
[07:00] <dwidmann> night
[07:13] <luke> :D Finally I got Celktx working! I was F1'ing before but then was in the windowed shell and it worked fine, strange
[07:23] <tuxwulf_> Any idea how to get my BT mouse going?
[07:23] <tapo> will we see updated kde4 packages for hardy/ppa? having too much chrashes... :-/
[07:30] <DevSolar> Is someone willing to answer one or two newbie questions regarding (K)ubuntu package management? /me is confused...
[07:30] <tapo> DevSolar: just ask
[07:30] <DarthFrog> DevSolar: Sure.
[07:32] <DevSolar> Adept... how come that apt-get (on the command line) "sees" packages that e.g. Adept doesn't? (Point in case: apt-get -s install eclipse-cdt looks fine, Adept doesn't find eclipse-cdt at all.)
[07:33] <DevSolar> Second question: Is there some way to "search" the available packages, e.g. "show me all packages matching *xyz*" or something like that? (Coming from Gentoo, I miss emerge --search...)
[07:34] <DevSolar> Third (and last): Is there some way to see a dependency graph? Sometimes I got a package that
[07:35] <DevSolar> *looks* like the right one (excuse the stray \n there...), but I'm not sure if I got the top-level package or merely a dependency... (vim-runtime? vim-full?)
[07:36] <DarthFrog> DevSolar: I confirm your first question.  Synaptic doesn't find eclipse-cdt yet apt-get wants to install 100's of packages.
[07:36] <tapo> DevSolar: second question: apt-cache search name [name2]  - but finds lots of other stuff. You can use grep to filter the output
[07:37] <DevSolar> tapo: excellent, I will try that.
[07:37] <DarthFrog> DevSolar: For your second question: either use a GUI like Adept or Synaptic and search or, from the command line use apt-cache search <pattern> | grep whatever.
[07:37] <unitypunk> mann
[07:37] <unitypunk> x11vnc sucks..
[07:37] <DevSolar> DarthFrog: Hm-hmm.... tried the Adept approach, that's what led me to question #1 (doesn't see everything). ;-)
[07:38] <DarthFrog> DevSolar: For your 3rd question, do a generic search for what you're looking for and poke around the results.
[07:39] <DevSolar> apt-cache search looks like just the thing I missed. Vielen Dank!
[07:39] <DarthFrog> OK, I just went back to Synaptic.  I must have had a typo the first time cuz it sees eclipse-cdt.
[07:40] <DevSolar> DarthFrog: So it's Adept that's faulty?
[07:41] <DarthFrog> And Adept sees eclipse-cdt when searching for eclipse.
[07:41] <DevSolar> Hmpf...
[07:41] <DarthFrog> But not when searching for eclipse-cdt.  Bizarre.
[07:42] <DarthFrog> Adept doesn't see *anything* when searching for eclipse-
[07:42] <DevSolar> adept_manager even finds eclipse-cdt, adept_install doesn't. Fun. (Not.)
[07:42] <DarthFrog> Nevermind eclipse-cdt.  Just the hyphen alone.
[07:43] <DarthFrog> That's truly weird.  BTW, I'm using Intrepid Beta, not Hardy.
[07:45] <DevSolar> OK, thanks guys.
[07:45] <tapo> DarthFrog: is kded4 still crashing in intrepid? I am totally depressed with kde 4.1.2 from hardy/ppa
[08:02] <unity`Buntu> hey.. im having trouble mounting my ntfs partition
[08:09] <unity`Buntu> got it..
[08:10] <scriptx> where can i get the kubuntu kernel source
[08:10] <scriptx> for 2.6.24-21
[08:10] <unity`Buntu> tightvnc
[08:11] <tmbg_> script from synaptic or adept, I would think.
[08:11] <scriptx> there is nothing there matching source
[08:11] <scriptx> just headers
[08:11] <tmbg_> or do you mean from some other os besides kubuntu?
[08:14] <scriptx> hrm
[08:14] <scriptx> ok
[08:14] <scriptx> 2.6.24-21-generic
[08:14] <scriptx> so i need to patch in there
[08:15] <zbyszek> hi
[08:15] <zbyszek> i have a serious problem
[08:15] <zbyszek> with x server
[08:15] <scriptx> ?
[08:15] <zbyszek> after upgrade it doesnt start at all
[08:16] <scriptx> what happens?
[08:16] <zbyszek> hmm to be perfectly honest, i use external screen in my laptop since the lcd is broken, so just a few seconds after starting X
[08:16] <zbyszek> screen gets blank and inactive
[08:16] <scriptx> is your xorg.conf file setup for this second monitor?
[08:16] <scriptx> even after upgrade?
[08:17] <zbyszek> its not, but i have never nedded it, because i started with external screen from the very beginning
[08:17] <zbyszek> but maybe i have to do this
[08:17] <scriptx> it was detected from the beginning
[08:17] <zbyszek> yes
[08:17] <zbyszek> from BIOS
[08:18] <scriptx> check in /etc/X11 for xorg.conf.*
[08:18] <unity`Buntu> how would i make compiz start at boot?
[08:18] <scriptx> is there an old one?
[08:18] <scriptx> unity`Buntu: systemsettings, advanced, session
[08:18] <scriptx> change the window manager
[08:18] <zbyszek> well i have only one backup, it was created just a few seconds before, with recovery ption
[08:18] <unity`Buntu> thanks
[08:18] <zbyszek> all previous versions are gone
[08:18] <zbyszek> i have only kdm
[08:19] <wyh> any body hear me?
[08:19] <zbyszek> scriptx, hmm just after i tried to start x manually with startx
[08:19] <zbyszek> system doesnt respond at all
[08:19] <scriptx> i would try restoring th eold config
[08:20] <zbyszek> even fot alt prt scr SUB
[08:20] <scriptx> if that doesn't work zbyszek, then reboot to single user
[08:20] <scriptx> and do the xfix option
[08:20] <unity`Buntu> you liee
[08:20] <unity`Buntu> nothing about compiz there
[08:20] <scriptx> what version of kde, unity`Buntu ?
[08:20] <unity`Buntu> 3.5
[08:20] <zbyszek> scriptx, i cant find it, seems like after upgrade it destroyed them
[08:20] <unity`Buntu> kde3
[08:20] <scriptx> oh, idk then unity
[08:20] <zbyszek> no more files in etc x11
[08:20] <unity`Buntu> gah
[08:21] <scriptx> should be in the kcontrol i would guess
[08:21] <scriptx> or just add it to a shellscript in .kde/Autostart
[08:21] <scriptx> zbyszek: reboot and try xfix
[08:21] <zbyszek> ok, now it checking the disk with fsck...
[08:26] <zbyszek> scriptx, xfix command not found
[08:28] <scriptx> it's not a command
[08:28] <scriptx> when you boot from grub into recovery mode
[08:28] <scriptx> there is a menu
[08:28] <scriptx> for some xfix of somesort
[08:29] <zbyszek> i did it
[08:29] <zbyszek> with no result
[08:30] <scriptx> this is no mystery
[08:30] <scriptx> http://swik.net/xfix
[08:31] <scriptx> elsewise, i cannot help you
[08:31] <scriptx> sorry
[08:31] <scriptx> i am off to bed
[08:31] <scriptx> it;s 4am almost
[08:31] <zbyszek> ok thx anyway
[08:32] <scriptx> you could try booting a live cd
[08:32] <scriptx> see if the output works
[08:32] <scriptx> if it does
[08:32] <scriptx> then copy the tempfs /etc/X11/xorg.conf to /mnt/sdX/etc/X11
[08:32] <scriptx> good luck
[08:32] <scriptx> :/
[08:34] <pantherad> is anyone here that can help with a driver install issue?
[08:35] <tMish> What happened to kpdf in intrepid ? apt-get doesn't find it
[08:39] <rogan> what driver
[08:42] <dcrabs> tMish: it has been replaced by okular (KDE4)
[08:42] <Reed_Solomon> okular doesn't seem to open zip files in the latest update.
[08:43] <Reed_Solomon> i think it did before
[08:43] <dcrabs> with zip files you mean archives or zipped pdf files?
[08:43] <Reed_Solomon> archives
[08:43] <Reed_Solomon> of jpgs for example
[08:43] <dcrabs> i guess than ark is the program you need
[08:44] <Reed_Solomon> comics and manga and stuff are often distributed in that way
[08:44] <dcrabs> ah i see
[08:44] <Reed_Solomon> no im pretty sure it worked before
[08:44] <Reed_Solomon> and qcomicbook stalls on zipped/rarred files now too
[08:44] <dcrabs> maybe the backend is missing
[08:44] <dcrabs> unrar for example
[08:44] <Reed_Solomon> then again, im using intrepid
[08:45] <Reed_Solomon> no its there
[08:45] <dcrabs> sorry i have no file to test here.
[09:06] <zer0o> hi i have to turn some monuments' images into icons (like flip art e.g.) and put them on a map, can u suggest some good software?
[09:14] <amerigo> !dos
[09:14] <amerigo> ! D.O.S
[09:14] <amerigo> ! D.O.S.
[09:30] <amerigo> How can I define If alsa is still working
[09:30] <amerigo> kubuntu hardy 8.04
[09:30] <amerigo> ???
[09:30] <jonathan_> hello, and a good morning :D
[09:30] <amerigo> good morning to you
[09:30] <jonathan_> i have a short question :)
[09:31] <jonathan_> i was using dolphin as the default filemanager right now
[09:31] <amerigo> hardy?
[09:32] <jonathan_> and i know i cant change this, but i started using konqueror and was wondering if it is possible to have the same or a similar media menu within it. I mean a menu where all drives are listed, even the not mounted device and where i have the opportunity to mount them... is that possible with konqueror? :)
[09:32] <jonathan_> 8.04 with kde 3.5.10
[09:33] <amerigo> ??
[09:34] <frozzenfire> hey guys im having a lot of trouble with my mic
[09:34] <frozzenfire> before it was working fine but idk what happened
[09:34] <frozzenfire> can someone help me? kinda new to linux here
[09:54] <bakino> buongiorno a tuti
[09:54] <dwibudi> yuhuu
[09:54] <bakino> scusate...
[09:55] <dwibudi> apa artinya
[09:55] <bakino> mi sa che devo avere qualche problema con le scritte nelle pagine
[09:55] <bakino> sono un pò troppo larghe...
[09:56] <dwibudi> english ?
[09:56] <zer0o> bakino vai su #ubuntu-it
[09:56] <bakino> thanks
[09:56] <zer0o> hi guys how do i change an app's icon in the icon tray? is that possible?
[09:58] <dwibudi> indonesian ?.
[09:59] <bazhang> !id | dwibudi
[10:01] <zer0o> bazhang: u no how to change icons in the icon tray?
[10:18] <baudthief> argh, I changed from dolphin to konqueror using the file associations applet in kcontrol, but having issues with compiz animations
[10:18] <baudthief> now everytime I try and change back, nothing happens, konqueror still takes over!
[10:18] <baudthief> any ideas?
[10:22] <baudthief> nevermind got it, for some reason I had to change the "inode" association in Konqueror to dolphin also
[10:32] <alewe__> hi @all
[10:32] <alewe__> spricht man hier DE
[10:33] <vlt> !de | alewe__
[10:33] <alewe__> Danke vlt
[10:35] <vlt> Hello. What exactly happens when I click on "remove usb storage device safely"? I mean what else than [p]umount?
[10:36] <favro> vlt: afaik it finishes any writing then unmounts it
[10:39] <vlt> favro: There must be something more. When I just umount manually, the connected mobile phone doesn't recognise that it's "disconnected" now. But does when clicking "remove safely". Any idea? Something like an usb port reset?
[10:41] <favro> vlt: no further ideas sorry :)
[10:42] <capcom> hi all
[10:43] <Farhadix> hi guys, I have a rs-232 mouse, that it dosen't work in kubuntu how run it?
[10:46] <DexterF> hi
[10:47] <DexterF> Adept just presented me with an update to kde 3.5.10. I'm a bit puzzled, is this official?
[10:47] <favro> if your repos are official it will be
[10:52] <chri1> Hey, anyone here?
[10:53] <chri1> have a question about ubuntu
[10:53] <favro> there is #ubuntu for ubuntu questions
[10:53] <chri1> ah thanks.
[10:53] <favro> here's for kubuntu
[10:53] <chri1> ok.  dont know what kubuntu is.. :)  Ill go to that room.  have a good one.
[10:53] <rogan> lol
[10:54] <favro> heh
[10:54] <DexterF> jeez I wonder how some people find here....
[10:55] <DexterF> favro: according to apt-cache policy it's from "hardy-updates".
[10:55] <favro> should be fine then
[10:56] <DexterF> which sources.list entry includes that? there's no line saying "updates" specifically
[10:57] <DexterF> nevermind, there actually is that line, didnt see it at first
[10:57] <favro> I thought that was all of them
[10:57] <favro> k
[10:58] <DexterF> ok, another thing: EnvyNG and the 177.80 driver. I'd like to have that but it's not in EnvyNG. Whom do I have to speak to, the kubuntu devs or the EnvyNG author?
[10:59] <DexterF> i.e., does EnvyNG have some kind of online update function by itself or is it hardcoded?
[10:59] <favro> try apt-get source envyng maybe - I know it is not a kubuntu app
[11:00] <favro> I don't need to use it
[11:00] <jussi01> DexterF: its curious, I thought it should auto take the latest one. (I was wrong obviously. check with alberto - the writer of it
[11:00] <DexterF> it is in the official repos
[11:00] <jussi01> DexterF: please let me know what you find out. it would be nice to know.
[11:01] <DexterF> jussi01: will do. thing is, the EnvyNG package from the universe repository was released when 177 wasn't out, so I rather expect that (k)ubuntu needs to get a new package
[11:01] <DexterF> but ill check
[11:03] <jussi01> DexterF: yeah, I imagined it downloaded $newestdriver from the site, but I was obviously wrong.
[11:50] <randry> Hi guys
[11:51] <randry> is anyone know how do I convert an hard copy scanned data to a data which I can plot?
[11:51] <ubuntu__> привет всем
[11:52] <randry> any idea?
[11:52] <bazhang> !ru | ubuntu__
[11:52] <ubuntu__> есть рускоговорящие?
[11:52] <randry> what?
[11:53] <sokol> Есть :)
[11:54] <sokol> Go to #ubuntu-ru
[11:54] <sokol> иди на канал #ubuntu-ru
[11:54] <baudthief> wow, kde4 is terrible!
[11:54] <baudthief> kde3.5 seems alot more solid ;\
[11:55] <randry> solid for what?
[11:55] <randry> do u know how to digitized a scanned data?
[11:55] <baudthief> as in, works better, seems as though more devtime went into it
[11:56] <baudthief> define digitize :P technically scanning is digitising
[11:57] <randry> I mean convert a plot to a data
[11:58] <randry> like , when u have a publication , and want to get the data which plotted this
[12:00] <baudthief> ahh, I dont know if its that easy for graphical data
[12:00] <baudthief> I know you can get OCR software for graphics-to-text
[12:01] <DarkSmoke> guys
[12:01] <baudthief> something like Kooka
[12:01] <randry> ok
[12:01] <DarkSmoke> i tried re-installing intrepid but still same problem as yesterday , when i do the updates and reboot the pc im ending without network connection
[12:01] <DarkSmoke> :S
[12:04] <BlueEagle> !ibex
[12:04] <BlueEagle> DarkSmoke: Sounds like a misconfigured kernel.
[12:08] <serg> hi pls tell me how to start program like xine on second screen without xinerama, thank you
[12:12] <FoxIII> Hey all. I'm using knetwork manager with wireless. If I leave my computer on, not using it, after a few hours it disconnects - even if I'm downloading something while I'm away. and the only way I can get it back is if I turn off my machine and back on. A reset won't connect when kde is showing. Any ideas?
[12:13] <rogan> could be a router setting??/
[12:15] <serg> how to force program to run on second screen, without xinerama?
[12:16] <FoxIII> hmm. Thanks rogan. I'll see if I can check them :)
[12:25] <zer0o> Foxill: what wifi card are you using and what driver?
[12:29] <testi> I want to suspend to RAM when i'm logged out and the laptop lid closes. Not just when I'm logged in.
[12:29] <Nasj> Hi all
[12:30] <FoxIII> Hey Nasj
[12:31] <Nasj> hi FoxIII :D
[12:33] <FoxIII> zer0o,  netgear with blkwgd7 through ndiswrapper.
[12:33] <FoxIII> Nasj,  you should join #kubuntu-offtopic too.
[12:34] <Nasj> OK :P
[12:35] <zer0o> ndiswrapper is buggy
[12:35] <zer0o> i'll suggest u to remove knetwork manager and replace it with WICD but do not remove it before u try out wicd cuz otherwise ur not gonna be able to re-connect and ull be stuck
[12:36] <zer0o> its in the repos
[12:37] <FoxIII> So I can download and try WICD without uninstalling knetwork manager? All I have to do to try WICD would be to disable knetwork manager?
[12:41] <testi> I want to configure global suspend settings that are always valid (also when I'm logged out) I have KDE4. Where can I configure that?
[12:41] <testi> ups
[12:41] <testi> KDE3.5
[12:51] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[13:38] <cuznt> my screen size changed and  i can not make it fit again
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: how do you mean
[13:43] <cuznt> i can not change the screen res to make it fit
[13:43] <cuznt> even on admin mode
[13:44] <shiwalalyth> best kdenlive version (acc. to stability ?)
[13:45] <shiwalalyth> plz help
[13:46] <cuznt> res 640x480 55hz
[13:46] <cuznt> its like my screen is not big enough
[13:47] <cuznt> suddenly
[13:47] <shiwalalyth> best stable version of kdenlive folks! plz gotta help got to submit a cool vid at school tmrw :((
[13:49] <cuznt> The Kubuntu 8.04 CDs available here contain the commercially supported version, featuring the stable KDE 3.5.9 desktop.
[13:49] <shiwalalyth> wow is it a recent development cuznt ?
[13:49] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: have you installed graphics drivers?
[13:49] <shiwalalyth> I've got 3.5 along with mine
[13:49] <cuznt> yes
[13:50] <cuznt> i should uninstall it eh?
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: how did you install them?
[13:50] <cuznt> through hardware drivers in my menu
[13:51] <cuznt> i am undooing it now
[13:51] <cuznt> and will restart
[13:51] <cuznt> aduh
[13:51]  * cuznt forgot i did that
[13:52] <cuznt> brb
[14:04] <Assurbanipal> hi guys... how can i add more file types (openoffice docs) in the "create new.." menu of dolphin?
[14:06] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: good question
[14:06] <Assurbanipal> ActionParsnip, is it doable?
[14:07] <eagles0513875> !kernel
[14:07] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: how do i check what version of the kernel im running
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: i dont see why not
[14:07] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: uname -a
[14:07] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: thats interesting
[14:08] <eagles0513875> i was having problems getting this kernel to load the desktop
[14:08] <Assurbanipal> ActionParsnip, ok, how??
[14:08] <eagles0513875> turned out that i didnt have the right video card driver installed
[14:08] <eagles0513875> i have the one in the repo installed now and its working with 21 kernel
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: if you use envy you get that
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: not sure, you could contact the dolphin devs
[14:10] <Assurbanipal> ActionParsnip, how?
[14:10] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: im fairly sure its a simple line in a conf file someplace
[14:11] <ActionParsnip> Assurbanipal: go to the dolphin website and find a contact us address
[14:11] <[|Liam|]> Hey is there a help channel on here?
[14:11] <[|Liam|]> for Kubuntu
[14:11] <Nasj> liam :o
[14:12] <[|Liam|]> Yeah?
[14:12] <Nasj> sorry tought you were someone else
[14:12] <Nasj> :P
[14:12] <[|Liam|]> lol
[14:12] <Nasj> taht goes by same nick
[14:12] <emilsedgh> [|Liam|]: just ask your question man.
[14:12] <[|Liam|]> You got any idea how to get Java working on Kubuntu?
[14:12] <emilsedgh> !java | [|Liam|]
[14:13] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: wasnt
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: i install icedtea and i get java on my 64bit rigs
[14:13] <eagles0513875> i enabled the driver in the hardware manager ActionParsnip
[14:13] <[|Liam|]> !multiverse
[14:13] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: oh, ive never used that myself
[14:13] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: its worth a shot
[14:13] <[|Liam|]> Ugh Java was so much easier to install on Ubuntu >.<
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: im happy with envy, works flawlessly for me
[14:14] <eagles0513875> [|Liam|]: sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk
[14:14] <emilsedgh> [|Liam|]: just install the same package you installed on ubuntu.
[14:14] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: what kinda of card do you have
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: onboard nvidia 6200 or something
[14:14] <eagles0513875> i have an 8800gt in my desktop
[14:15] <eagles0513875> i have yet to get kubuntu working on my hp laptop
[14:15]  * Tm_T is evil and setup his Xorg by hand
[14:15] <Freku> hpuntu  :)
[14:15] <eagles0513875> [|Liam|]: i installed those 2 pkgs and java works for me just fine
[14:16] <ActionParsnip> Tm_T: me too, not hard is it
[14:16] <cuznt> screen resolution is still messed up
[14:16] <eagles0513875> Tm_T: remember i was having issue with kernels after 16
[14:17] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: what vga card do you have?
[14:17] <cuznt> it just started
[14:17] <cuznt> i have 2 hard drives
[14:17] <cuznt> 1 resoluton is perfect
[14:17] <cuznt> #2
[14:17] <cuznt> not
[14:18] <cuznt> nvida driver
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: whats a hard drive got to do with graphics cards?
[14:18] <cuznt> i have no idea
[14:18] <cuznt> why
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> then why say it??
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> so you have a ubuntu install with bad res.
[14:18] <cuznt> iguess
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> what nvidia card do you have?
[14:18] <cuznt> i think 4
[14:18] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: lspci will tell you
[14:19] <cuznt> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5500] (rev a1)
[14:19] <Serva> Hey. Does anyone know of a website that can tell you about the station offering cheapest gas, new york?
[14:20] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=33142
[14:20] <cuznt> ty
[14:24] <Freku> pff lots of updates in the adept updater
[14:28] <[|Liam|]> Same lol
[14:29] <ActionParsnip> only 80Mb
[14:30] <eagles0513875> Freku: u on intrepid
[14:35] <Freku> nop  totally standard here
[14:36] <Freku> how you get those red letters
[14:37] <Hexagown> Hello Guys! Finally weeked! :D Lots of Linux now ^^
[14:37] <Freku> best of linux : its there all week
[14:41] <Hexagown> :D
[14:42] <eagles0513875> [|Liam|]: ask ur question in here i have no idea even though u have the jdk jre installed y u getting just a grey box
[14:43] <[|Liam|]> Dunno how to phrase it lol
[14:43] <Hexagown> Well, as usuall I come here with a problem ;) and now I need help to install some Direct 3d stuffs
[14:43] <Hexagown> i have a homepage.
[14:43] <Hexagown> http://vostrolinux.blogspot.com/2007/11/setting-up-battlefield-2.html
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: have you installed graphics drivers
[14:43] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i told [|Liam|] to install sun-java6-jre and jdk but for some reaosn when trying to load rune scape hes getting a grey box
[14:44] <Hexagown> But when Iv unziped the things, i cant move it with http://vostrolinux.blogspot.com/2007/11/setting-up-battlefield-2.html
[14:44] <Hexagown> Yes, iv installed my card
[14:44] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: i had that, i installed icedtea and java is fine
[14:44] <Hexagown> Can't use mv d3dx9_24.dll d3dx9_25.dll ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32
[14:44] <eagles0513875> [|Liam|]: try install icedtea
[14:44] <[|Liam|]> From where/How.
[14:44] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: should i do the same cuz ff isnt even picking up java jdk and jre and i have them installed
[14:45] <eagles0513875> sudo apt-get install icedtea
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: looks fairly straightforward, where do you trip?
[14:45] <[|Liam|]> I'll give that a go now.
[14:45] <Freku> sudo apt-get me a coffre
[14:45] <Hexagown> And when i try to på regedit I can't find HKEY_CurrentUser>Software>Wine>Direct3D
[14:45] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: you could try symlinking the .so to ~/.mozilla/plugins
[14:45] <[|Liam|]> Freku -I I wish.
[14:45] <[|Liam|]> lol
[14:45] <Freku> :)
[14:45] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: i was goign to autoremove the jdk jre from sun and install icedtea
[14:45] <Hexagown> I try when I shall go into regedit.
[14:46] <[|Liam|]> Speaking of Coffee, i fancy some biscuits.
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: is there a wine key in the software key?
[14:46] <Hexagown> Cannot find the map
[14:46] <[|Liam|]> ActionParsnip: E: Couldn't find package icedtea
[14:46] <Freku> biscuits arent free , open source
[14:46] <Hexagown> What to you mean?
[14:47] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: http://pastebin.com/f58c1eda5
[14:47] <[|Liam|]> ActionParsnip:  what should I do with this?
[14:48] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: those are the pakage names you need
[14:48] <[|Liam|]> Oh
[14:48] <Hexagown> What do you mean with  is there a wine key in the software key?
[14:48] <[|Liam|]> So I use: sudo apt-get install ii  icedtea-gcjwebplugin
[14:48] <[|Liam|]> ?
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: one you may find is not on the repos as I had to install one manually
[14:49] <eagles0513875> Freku: OT
[14:49] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: but you can find the deb online and install it
[14:49] <Freku> OT ?
[14:49] <DrThrax> jello
[14:49] <Freku> ah i got it
[14:49] <Freku> hehe
[14:50] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: since iced tea is transitional pkgs is there anything else like openjdk and any of that stuff i need to install
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: the folders in regedit are called keys
[14:50] <Hexagown> YEs
[14:50] <ActionParsnip> eagles0513875: thats all i have for java
[14:50] <eagles0513875> ok
[14:51] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: ok so is there a wine key in the software key in regedit?
[14:51] <Hexagown> But there is no map with the name: Direct3D
[14:52] <Hexagown> But yes, the wine map is there
[14:52] <ActionParsnip> then create it
[14:53] <Hexagown> shall I make a map in regedit? O.o
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: right click -> new -> key
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> ?
[14:54] <Hexagown> At the Wine map?
[14:54] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: whatever is necessary to make your registry look like how it is described in the guide
[14:54] <Hexagown> okay, done
[14:54] <Hexagown> now I'll try to go on...
[14:55] <ActionParsnip> is there no loki installer for the game
[14:56] <utente6> ciao
[14:56] <[|Liam|]> ActionParsnip:  you're a legend.
[14:56] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: i try
[14:56] <[|Liam|]> icedtea-gcjwebplugin <-- dled that package and java works fine now.
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> sweet
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> yeah iced tea is great for 64bit java, i wish sun would pull their finger out
[14:57] <[|Liam|]> lol
[14:58] <ActionParsnip> as well as adobe
[14:59] <eagles0513875> ICEDTEA FTW
[14:59] <[|Liam|]> ^
[14:59] <eagles0513875> lol
[14:59] <ActionParsnip> indeed
[14:59] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: never thought a drink would get java to work
[15:00] <[|Liam|]> LOL!
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> haha
[15:01] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: sry thats OT
[15:01] <ActionParsnip> well when you run sun java you see a cup of coffee
[15:02] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: how come the sun java stuff has not been removed from repos if it dont work
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> it can with nspluginwrapper
[15:03] <ActionParsnip> plus it works with 32bit ubuntu
[15:04] <ActionParsnip> theres gnash for flash but ive not tried it as i can always get it to work
[15:06] <cuznt> i had a screen resolution prb and did what forum said, but now it will not boot up
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: use the recover mode in grub to fix xorg.conf
[15:08] <cuznt> is there a command to use please?
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: no, reboot and press esc when it is offered then choose recovery for your current kernel
[15:10] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: then its all menus
[15:11] <cuznt> right on
[15:11] <cuznt> ty again
[15:11] <cuznt> ttfn
[15:14] <eagles0513875> what would setting up vpn entail
[15:14] <ActionParsnip> !vpn
[15:15] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: does that link also apply to cable connections
[15:15] <ActionParsnip> its a vpn to a remote server, it'll go over anything with a logical conection to the www
[15:16] <cuznt> did not fix it
[15:16] <eagles0513875> ActionParsnip: ok kool
[15:16] <daalien> someone speak spanish here?
[15:16] <cuznt> oh wait
[15:16] <cuznt> it did
[15:17] <cuznt> thanks action
[15:17] <eagles0513875> !es | daalien
[15:17] <Hexagown> What command do i use to open a flie with Wine?
[15:17] <eagles0513875> daalien: is that what ur after
[15:17] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: you're probably gonna use that lots till you can wrestle xorg.conf
[15:17] <eagles0513875> Hexagown: u can normally double click and it opens with wine by default
[15:18] <daalien> I can speak on english but its too more easier for my to speak on spanish
[15:18] <Hexagown> Dont work with this file
[15:19] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: define "open"
[15:20] <Hexagown> It open whit Kate, but It shall be avible to open with Wine...
[15:20] <Hexagown> There is a command to open files with wine...
[15:21] <eagles0513875> Hexagown: right click and hit open with
[15:21] <Hexagown> I yust dont know it...
[15:21] <Hexagown> yes, and then?
[15:21] <eagles0513875> then wine
[15:21] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: wine /path/to/program.exe
[15:21] <Hexagown> The wine file is not there.
[15:21] <Hexagown> ok ty
[15:22] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: thats how you run an windows 32bit binary
[15:23] <Hexagown> ok...
[15:23] <Hexagown> I'll try to get it work, Im new with Linux.
[15:23] <Hexagown> shall I write wine /path/to/program.exe in Konsole?
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: well replace the path stuff with where it actually is
[15:27] <Hexagown> ye, ok ty
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: wine ~/.wine/drive_c/.../...//
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> etc
[15:27] <Hexagown> k, thnx
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> you will have installed to ~/.wine
[15:27] <ActionParsnip> tab complete stuff from there
[15:28] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: once you've worked it out create a launcher or a script to run it easier
[15:29] <Hexagown> Okay...
[15:30] <Hexagown> I need some help to install my motherboard, becous my soundcars is on the motherboard...
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: well you need to install sound drivers
[15:31] <Hexagown> its named elitegroup K8M800-M2
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> run lspci to see what you have then websearch from there
[15:31] <Hexagown> Okay, how do i do that?
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> doesnt matter, you are driving the sound chip, not the board
[15:32] <Hexagown> Okay, well when I try to call on skype, it says: Problem with Audio playback
[15:32] <Hexagown> What's the matter then?
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> you havent set up sound, skype uses sound
[15:32] <ActionParsnip> do you get sounds from anything?
[15:32] <Hexagown> How do I do that then?
[15:33] <Hexagown> Well, when I music in Amarok I got it
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> ok so you have sound you just need to setup your sound server right
[15:33] <Hexagown> Ok, how?
[15:33] <cuznt> Poison Parsnip (also known as Wild Parsnip) looks similar to hemlock and is found in open places along roadsides and in waste places throughout the United States and Canada.
[15:33] <ActionParsnip> try heading into sound prefs and choosing ALSA as your sound service rather than auto
[15:34] <cuznt> but you must be a different variety... ;)
[15:34] <ActionParsnip> cuznt: its also a sweet white carrot like vegetable
[15:34] <Hexagown> Im Kmix?
[15:34]  * cuznt knows.... i love them... just recalled my buddy had it on his back...
[15:35] <cuznt> once
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> im the one in the cornetto wrapper with an action man boot on the bottom
[15:35] <cuznt> thanks again.... i will remember it
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: no in system preferences
[15:35] <Hexagown> And tehn Soundsystems?
[15:36] <Hexagown> Allready have "ALSA device.
[15:36] <ActionParsnip> Hexagown: whatever is in there, id have a websearch on how to change your sound server
[15:37] <ActionParsnip> then try pulse
[15:37] <Hexagown> Okay, well I have to restart, brb
[15:40] <Serva> I am already a fan of kubuntu, because of ktorrent! amazing speeds. :-)
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> Serva: you'd get the same speed with any other client
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> Serva: ktorrent also can have a web interface so you can administer systems if you port forward to it
[15:42] <Guest14Hexagown> Ok, Im back, so what shall I google for to get the sound stuffs?
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Guest14Hexagown: does pulse not sort your issue?
[15:47] <Guest14Hexagown> What is pulse? :S
[15:47] <Guest14Hexagown> got an Topic here http://forum.skype.com/index.php?showtopic=101629
[15:47] <Guest14Hexagown> Might get the 1.4 instead
[15:52] <Quetzlcoatl> hi
[15:53] <Guest14Hexagown> How do I start PulseAudio?
[15:54] <Quetzlcoatl> question: how can i set/unset, lets say execute rights, on a group of file ?
[15:56] <mdr> Why is my 'Adept Updater', automatically updating/installing all the kde 4 packages?   I didn't previously have the kde 4 desktop installed as far as I know.  Will this uninstall kde 3?  Which will be the default?  I've been holding off because it takes time to get the kinks out.
[15:58] <noam_> uh... hi. i'm going to install ubuntu (probably kubuntu) about.. tomorrow. on a new computer. in my new apartment. anyway, my question is: should i get 8.10 beta or install 8.04.1 and upgrade in two weeks?
[15:59] <noam_> i'm also a bit wary about the whole KDE4 thing - does it work well enough to be used today? i realize it may not be too smart to ask that question here, but still
[16:03] <mdr> t 39 I installed hardy 8.04 and was leary of kde4 as well.  Wanted to give it time.   Today I'm getting kde4 updates (their more or less automatic).  Don't know how I managed that.  Maybe it was the extra repository I added?   I guess I'm being updated to 8.10 beta?   Noone is answering.   Must be a stupid question.
[16:05] <mdr> 8.04 workded like a dream by they why.  Never had such a trouble free operating system.    I'm probably gonna be screwed now ;)
[16:07] <[|Liam|]> Lol
[16:08] <Nasj> hmm
[16:09] <Nasj> Is partitioning an option during install of kubuntu 8.04.1 or do you have to do that forehand ?
[16:11] <Nicola_> *sigh*
[16:11] <mdr> I believe, it's an option if you know what you're doing.  The install puts root and home on a single partition.   Which sucks IMO
[16:11] <Nasj> hmm
[16:11] <Nasj> well i dont really know what i am doing :p
[16:12] <Nasj> yet..
[16:13] <mdr> Iit can also be redone later.   You'll need extra space
[16:13] <Nasj> But what i meant is
[16:13] <Nasj> I want to dual boot
[16:13] <Nasj> and I have this storage HDD
[16:14] <Nasj> on wich i would like to install linux
[16:14] <Nasj> but is it an option during the install to make a partiton of say 25gb of that storage HDD
[16:14] <Nasj> for kubuntu
[16:14] <Nasj> ?
[16:22] <Quetzlcoatl> is that possible to bold some text in a bash script ?
[16:34] <maestrolinux> http://s2.ar.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=19732
[16:40] <Nasj> hmm
[16:40] <Nasj> someone on here who can help me ?
[16:41] <emilsedgh> !ask | Nasj
[16:41] <Nasj> ok :P
[16:42] <Nasj> Do I have to pre-partition my half full storage HDD before installing kubuntu or is that an option during install.
[16:46] <mdr> It's an option during the install.
[16:47] <mdr> Plus you can always cancel the install, if you get to that point and then freak out
[16:47] <dr_willis> I tend to resize partitions using a live cd.. but thats just me.. :)
[16:48] <Nasj> ok
[16:48] <Nasj> any geuss on how long the installation can take ?
[16:48] <mdr> However, always backup first
[16:49] <mdr> Better safe than sorry
[16:49] <Nasj> yeah :p
[16:49] <dr_willis> Perhaps an hr.. depends on how liong the hd takes to get resized
[16:50] <Nasj> hhm
[16:50] <Nasj> ok
[16:51] <Nasj> well thanks for the help and advice :D
[17:18] <LeeJunFan> I've got a screen flicker on my nvidia gfx powered machine, I found a thread which says it's a power management thing and to write a script to run glxinfo every few seconds to stop it - I was hoping there was a better solution?
[17:20] <AciD> Hello
[17:31] <x-X-x> how do i se the macro name of my soundcards?
[17:33] <Serva> My mouse is acting super active on even a slightest move. Can I lower down the speed of its movement? Is it because of the compiz installation?
[17:35] <a|wen> Serva: you can change it in system settings > keyboard & mouse > mouse > advanced > pointer acceleration
[17:36] <Serva> a|wen, right now it is 2x
[17:36] <Serva> what configuration do you have?
[17:36] <a|wen> i have 2.0x as well ... but might depend on which mouse you have, so try lowering it and see if it helps
[17:37] <Serva> I am using touch pad, on my T61 thinkpad
[17:37] <a|wen> does it slow down if you set it to 1.0x or 0.5x even?
[17:38] <Serva> awesome! yes it does
[17:38] <Serva> I am using it now at 1.5x
[17:39] <Serva> tks a|wen
[17:39] <a|wen> cool ... no problem Serva
[17:43] <coloclone> I think lshw -class multimedia
[17:46] <fvelilla> hello
[17:48] <fvelilla> anybody knows how to fix add/remove programs after adding an bad third party repository?
[17:52] <JackWinter> hiya, i'm trying to get a fullscreen game going.  what hotkey can i press to put the game in the background and regain my desktop without having to do ctrl-alt-bksp ?
[18:06] <x-X-x> anyone here can help me with a pulseaudio problem?  i enter this command 'pulseaudio -k; sleep 4; pulseaudio -vv'  and this is the output ==> http://pastebin.com/d40f48bee  nothing is accessing the soundcard that i am aware of. Is there anything i can do to terminate anything using the soundcard so that it wont appear as "busy" and BTW i have already restarted 3 times
[18:06] <x-X-x> when i type "pulseaudio"  ==> http://pastebin.com/d4c9e2d7f
[18:07] <x-X-x> noone is answering me over at #pulseaudio
[18:09] <genii> x-X-x: Perhaps ask also in #alsa
[18:10] <x-X-x> k
[18:14] <helpthisnoobie> can anyone help me with making a theme for my desktop.
[18:15] <helpthisnoobie> i want to make something like paddock or sigma dock....with widgets and all
[18:15] <helpthisnoobie> i just need a little help
[18:23] <aleksi_> hey how can i connect IRCnet whit konversation
[18:24] <genii> /server different.servername.goes.here
[18:25] <aleksi_> ?
[18:26] <aleksi_> didn't work
[18:27] <genii> aleksi_:  For where I have "different.servername.goes.here"     use on of the ircnet server names that is listed at this site: http://irc.tu-ilmenau.de/all_servers/
[18:29] <aleksi_> genii: thanx for help
[18:29] <genii> aleksi_: You're welcome
[18:36] <urbi> ll
[18:41] <DexterF> hi
[18:41] <DexterF> my gimp is english, I'd like it german. how?
[18:46] <DarthFrog> Install language-pack-de language-support-translations-de and gimp-help-de
[18:49] <slow-motion> hi
[18:49] <raul> hola
[18:50] <raul> español
[18:50] <raul> ??
[18:50] <Kohlrabi> raul: join #kubuntu-es
[18:50] <raul> ok
[18:54] <snova> does anybody know why there would all of a sudden be 160MB of kde updates today? they weren't there yesterday. they're all a minor revision different.
[18:55] <snova> just wondering where these came from...
[18:56] <snova> guess i'll find out when it finishes and i can read the changelogs
[18:58] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu meeting in three minutes in #kubuntu-devel
[19:16] <[|Liam|]> What is the package name for Flash Player?
[19:16] <[|Liam|]> I want to install it via sudo
[19:19] <coloclone> sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree flashplayer-nonfree
[19:21] <[|Liam|]> thanks
[19:24] <[|Liam|]> coloclone: E: Couldn't find package flashplayer-nonfree
[19:45] <ali_> hello everyone
[19:48] <mathiasj> Ayo?;P
[19:48] <mathiasj> Wassup?
[19:50] <ali_> is anyone interested to chat on SD card readers
[20:04] <bleaked> will qtcurve be an available option in 8.10?
[20:05] <Indephysis> Hey, there used to be a package floating around that was stuff like MP3 playback and video codecs. Anyone got that?
[20:05] <jonathan__> hello!
[20:05] <jonathan__> i've a short question
[20:05] <jonathan__> where can i find the menu to mount devices in konqueror?
[20:07] <bleaked> Indephysis: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[20:10] <helpthisnoobie> I cant find the .kde folder in my system can anyone help.
[20:12] <unitypunk> heyy
[20:12] <Indephysis> bleaked: I had just found Kubuntu-Restricted.
[20:13] <helpthisnoobie> yeah that;s wat u need
[20:14] <helpthisnoobie> type
[20:14] <helpthisnoobie>     *
[20:14] <helpthisnoobie>       sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras
[20:14] <jonathan__> no ideas for my question?
[20:14] <Indephysis> Now I'm trying to remember how to enable Windowslike mousewheel click scrolling.
[20:15] <bluesceada> blargh
[20:15] <bluesceada> anyone can help
[20:15] <bluesceada> wait sorry
[20:15] <bluesceada> doesnt belong here....
[20:18] <bluesceada> hmm maybe you can help anyway
[20:18] <bluesceada> anyone knows how to fix the problem with just having channels up to 11 supported :S
[20:19] <bluesceada> using a iwl3945
[20:19] <bluesceada> lots of aps use over channel 11 here so I really have a problem :/
[20:21] <helpthisnoobie> indephysis have you checked ur system settings
[20:21] <Indephysis> That's quite a lot of settings to go through.
[20:22] <[|Liam|]> Does anyone know the Sudo command for limewire?
[20:22] <helpthisnoobie> in the keyboard and mouse settings
[20:22] <Indephysis> I'm not really finding it yet.
[20:23] <Indephysis> Right now it's pasting which is SUPER irritating
[20:23] <helpthisnoobie> open system settings
[20:23] <Indephysis> and then
[20:24] <helpthisnoobie> u have an option under 'computer administration' that says 'keyboard & mouse'
[20:24] <unitypunk> i would like help with a wifi issue
[20:24] <Indephysis> yes, i do, which i just went in and didn't see anything under
[20:25] <helpthisnoobie> did u click on the mouse on the left hand side
[20:26] <Indephysis> yeah i did, helpthisnoobie
[20:27] <helpthisnoobie> nothing to change it there...I have this on a laptop
[20:27] <helpthisnoobie> no mouse
[20:29] <helpthisnoobie> ok scratch all the indephysis
[20:29] <Indephysis> Okay!
[20:29] <helpthisnoobie> type kcontrol in run command
[20:30] <DarthFrog> Hmm, kcontrol doesn't seem to exist anymore in Intrepid.
[20:30] <helpthisnoobie> oh ok im still on hardy
[20:31] <helpthisnoobie> did u try it anyway
[20:31] <Indephysis> I'm installing kcontrol
[20:31] <DarthFrog> helpthisnoobie & Indephysis  There's also kmousetool.
[20:32] <helpthisnoobie> yeah u can get that thru adept
[20:32] <Indephysis> kmousetool seems like a better idea
[20:32] <Indephysis> except it doesn't seem to do what I want.
[20:32] <helpthisnoobie> i been using kubuntu for about  4 months only
[20:32] <DarthFrog> helpthisnoobie: You're doing fine.
[20:33] <helpthisnoobie> trying to help with wat i've learned myself
[20:33] <Indephysis> I have suspicions that at one point I was cursed by an ancient witch doctor.
[20:33] <Indephysis> It'd explain why every time I try to do something end up fumbling explaining it.
[20:33] <[|Liam|]> Is it possible to open Debian files with Kubuntu?
[20:34] <DarthFrog> There's also the mousetweaks programme.  I have no idea whether it will help Indephysis  or not, though.
[20:34] <Indephysis> Do you want me to re-explain what I'm after?
[20:34] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: Define open.
[20:34] <DarthFrog> Indephysis: No.  I've been following along.
[20:35] <[|Liam|]> Not really sure how to explain it, I've downloaded Frostwire which came as a Debian file and i want to use it.
[20:35] <helpthisnoobie> thanx DarthFrog
[20:35] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: If you want to disassemble a deb file, "ar -x <deb file>" will do it.
[20:35] <[|Liam|]> Okay thanks
[20:36] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: Don't do that!!!! :-)
[20:36] <DarthFrog> It won't help you.
[20:36] <[|Liam|]> I know
[20:36] <[|Liam|]> lol
[20:36] <[|Liam|]> im dling gdebi atm
[20:36] <[|Liam|]> Just i had the idea you didn't understand my question so gave up <.<
[20:36] <DarthFrog> To manually install a DEB file: sudo dpkg -i <debfile name>
[20:36] <[|Liam|]> Okay, for the debfile name do i include the extension?
[20:37] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: No, I understood.  I'm just an .... well, my wife has choice words. :-)
[20:37] <[|Liam|]> Lol
[20:37] <DarthFrog> I think so.  Try it and see.
[20:38] <DarthFrog> But if the DEB has dependencies, it won't install.
[20:38] <DarthFrog> You'd have to track down those dependencies your self.
[20:40] <[|Liam|]> dpkg: error processing LimeWireLinux (--install):
[20:40] <[|Liam|]>  cannot access archive: No such file or directory
[20:40] <[|Liam|]> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:40] <[|Liam|]>  LimeWireLinux
[20:40] <[|Liam|]> I think i need to inc the extension :o
[20:40] <[|Liam|]> it's telling me no such file/directory
[20:41] <DarthFrog> You do know that aMule is available?  sudo apt-cache search amule
[20:42] <DarthFrog> for dpkg, you need to include the whole filename.  Including the path, if necessary.
[20:43] <[|Liam|]> Amule is easier in other words?
[20:43] <DarthFrog> http://www.gnutellaforums.com/general-linux-support/39850-how-install-limewire-ubuntu-debian.html
[20:43] <[|Liam|]> lol ive been using this >.< - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingSoftware#deb
[20:44] <DarthFrog> amule is available through the Ubuntu repositories.
[20:44] <DarthFrog> What happens if you simply double-click on the filename?
[20:45] <[|Liam|]> It'll ask me what to open it with
[20:45] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: No private messages, please.  If you have a lot of output, use pastebin.
[20:45] <DarthFrog> !pastbin
[20:45] <[|Liam|]> oh sorry.
[20:45] <DarthFrog> !pastebin
[20:46] <[|Liam|]> I'll paste it into that then
[20:46] <[|Liam|]> http://paste.ubuntu.com/58944/
[20:46] <[|Liam|]> There
[20:47] <DarthFrog> Well, you could use Adept to install amule.  That's the easiest way to go.
[20:47] <Cyde> Did KDE 4.1 finally hit Ubuntu mainline?
[20:48] <Cyde> I just ran Adept and pretty much every KDE package is getting an upgrade.
[20:48] <DarthFrog> CyDe: it's the default in Intrepid.
[20:48] <Cyde> Is Intrepid out now?
[20:48] <DarthFrog> Not yet.  Beta 2.
[20:48] <DarthFrog> But it works fine for me. :-)
[20:48] <Cyde> I've been running KDE 4.1 off the ppa launchpad for 2 months now but it looks like KDE 4.1 finally hit the mainline repos?
[20:48] <DarthFrog> Don't know.
[20:49] <[|Liam|]> DarthFrog: I'm instulling Amule via Sudo anyway
[20:49] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: Feel the power, Luke! :-)
[20:50]  * DarthFrog always encourages folks to learn to work at the command line.  It's where you really have control over your machine.  Point 'n drool is fine for somethings but not sysadmining, IMHO.
[20:51] <DarthFrog> True knowledge and understanging is only to be found at the command line.
[20:52] <botashack> ola
[20:52] <botashack> or hello
[20:52] <[|Liam|]> Hmm
[20:52] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[20:52] <[|Liam|]> DarthFrog: are you even human?
[20:52] <[|Liam|]> lol
[20:52] <[|Liam|]> I smell bot! :p
[20:53] <DarthFrog> Moi?  Hmm, two arms, two legs and two wings last I checked.
[20:53] <DarthFrog> Oops, scratch the wings. :-)
[20:53] <[|Liam|]> LOL
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> wings would be sweet
[20:53] <[|Liam|]> Hey ActionParsnip
[20:53] <ActionParsnip> werd up
[20:54] <[|Liam|]> Tbh DarthFrog only I would go and dl Amule then be unable to find it -.-
[20:54] <DarthFrog> ?
[20:54] <ActionParsnip> does anyone heer know of a frets on fire irc chanel / server??
[20:54] <[|Liam|]> I just installed Amule via Sudo and now i cant find it.
[20:54] <JP-sNL3> :-)
[20:54] <botashack> god bye..
[20:54] <botashack> see later.
[20:55] <DarthFrog> Nope.  Personally, I'd look at their web site to see if they list an IRC channel in their support options.
[20:55] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: the command is amule.
[20:55] <[|Liam|]> I have it installed :o
[20:55] <[|Liam|]> Now wut
[20:55] <DarthFrog> Did you install the gui apps?
[20:55] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: in terminal type amulae &
[20:56] <ActionParsnip> you know what i meant
[20:56] <[|Liam|]> actually i failed quite badly
[20:56] <DarthFrog> [|Liam|]: try this.  type amule (no space at the end of the word) and  hit  the TAB key.
[20:56] <[|Liam|]> got it
[20:58] <[|Liam|]> Where to from here, DarthFrog?
[20:58] <DarthFrog> Hit enter. :-)
[20:58] <[|Liam|]> No i have Amule open
[20:58] <[|Liam|]> now what lol
[20:59] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: id websearch what amule is and how it works
[21:00] <[|Liam|]> All this work to install Limewire >_>
[21:00] <hadi57> hi all, i have atheros wlan, it shows in the hardware drivers, but not working, anone can help me please?
[21:01] <[|Liam|]> So DarthFrog I now have Amule open, how is this going to help me install a deb file lol >.<
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> !limewire | [|Liam|]
[21:02] <[|Liam|]> o rly
[21:02] <[|Liam|]> my head is spinning o_O
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> !frostwire | [|Liam|]
[21:02] <[|Liam|]> yeah i dled em both and ended up with Debian files lol
[21:02] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: try doing resarch you will find OSS equivelants
[21:03] <ActionParsnip> or compile frostwire
[21:03] <[|Liam|]> I'm new to this :\
[21:04] <[|Liam|]> WOO
[21:04] <[|Liam|]> THERE WE GO
[21:04] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: only one way to try
[21:04] <[|Liam|]> ActionParsnip: I think I just failed more than the word fail itself.
[21:04] <[|Liam|]> i double click runlime.sh and  it opened immediately :$
[21:04] <slow-motion> n8
[21:05] <[|Liam|]> When i tried doing that an hour ago it didnt... really this is just silly.
[21:05] <[|Liam|]> Im making sure no1 un-installs Kubuntu from my computer ever again.
[21:05] <ActionParsnip> [|Liam|]: if yuo use the konsole more things tend to get easier
[21:05] <[|Liam|]> Yeah Konsole ftw :o
[21:11]  * DarthFrog agrees with ActionParsnip
[21:13]  * ActionParsnip agrees with me too
[21:19] <JackWinter> can anyone please tell me where to go to find a solution for a problem with crackling sound using sdl under hardy ?  descent3 for linux
[21:20] <ActionParsnip> JackWinter: what if you tunr all software volumes down and crank your speakers?
[21:20] <JackWinter> ActionParsnip: what should that accomplish ?
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> JackWinter: having software volume at full makes sounds sound nasty
[21:21] <ActionParsnip> if you drop it it may clear, then pull the amp up to make up for the lack of software volume
[21:22] <JackWinter> so far sound is perfect in all i've tried.  desktop, amarok, kaffeine, flash plugin, even run a windows audio program using wineasio and jack on a 2:nd soundcard..
[21:24] <JackWinter> ActionParsnip: that isn't the problem.  it's really a crackling not distortion and googling a few hours seem to point a little in the ubuntu/alsa direction.  possibly to libdsl...
[21:24] <oo0> how to install a .bin file?
[21:24] <DarthFrog>  oo0 What's the name of the file?
[21:25] <oo0> GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[21:25] <DarthFrog> Did you download it?  Google Earth is available in the Medibuntu repository.
[21:26] <oo0> ??? medibunutu?
[21:26] <DarthFrog> !medibuntu
[21:26] <DarthFrog> Medibuntu = (Multimedia, Entertainment & Distractions In Ubuntu
[21:27] <DarthFrog> oo0: Get Medibuntu set up.  You'll be doing yourself a favour.
[21:27] <ActionParsnip> oo0: chmod u+x ./﻿GoogleEarthLinux.bin; ./﻿GoogleEarthLinux.bin
[21:28] <DarthFrog> or simply "sudo sh ./GoogleEarthLinux.bin"
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> DarthFrog: mine makes sure its executable ;)
[21:29] <ActionParsnip> DarthFrog: and it needs to be installed as user, not sudo
[21:29] <DarthFrog> Really?  Strange.  Still, getting it from medibuntu is preferable.
[21:30] <bleaked> so i really don't like kde4, how it works, looks, etc.. BIG kde3 fan, and one who desires fresh software.. so do I suffer with kde4, move to gnome, or is there a way to keep kde3 and still get other updates meant for ibex?
[21:30] <ActionParsnip> bleaked: just logout and change session to kde3
[21:32] <DarthFrog> bleaked:  KDE 4 is the future and in Intrepid, the present.  KDE 3 will gradually be abandoned, just like KDE 2 was.
[21:32] <unitypunk> hey..
[21:32] <unitypunk> anyone know where wubi installs to?
[21:32] <Tm_T> unitypunk: to Windows partition
[21:32] <unitypunk> where on it though
[21:32] <Tm_T> no idea
[21:33] <Tm_T> it makes virtual partition, that means there's some one file
[21:33] <DarthFrog> unitypunk:  Time to exercise your google-fu. )
[21:33] <unitypunk> yeah
[21:33] <unitypunk> lol
[21:33] <cilkay> bleaked: So why go to Intrepid then? Hardy will be supported for years.
[21:34] <oo0> omg how to install it?
[21:34] <DarthFrog> cilkay: Kubuntu Hardy is not an LTS release.  18 months at best.
[21:34] <cilkay> It isn't?
[21:34] <cilkay> I thought all Hardy was.
[21:34] <DarthFrog> Nope.  Ubuntu Hardy is but not Kubuntu.
[21:34] <cilkay> Whether it's "years" or 18 months, who cares? In 18 months, I expect that KDE 4 will be immensely better.
[21:35] <DarthFrog> They don't want to be committed to supporting KDE3 when they want to move to KDE 4.
[21:36] <DarthFrog> KDE 4.0 was intended to be a developer's release, not a general user release.
[21:36] <DarthFrog> bleaked: Have you tried KDE 4.1.2?  I really like it.
[21:36] <DarthFrog> I like where KDE is going.
[21:36] <cilkay> I *love* where KDE is going.
[21:36] <jussi01> !ot
[21:37] <unitypunk> !wubi
[21:37] <unitypunk> gah
[21:37] <unitypunk> DarthFrog, its a virtual partition.
[21:37] <unitypunk> how would i add files to that..
[21:38]  * ActionParsnip likes kde but not kwin
[21:39] <DarthFrog> unitypunk: No idea, other than when you're booted into it.
[21:39] <bleaked> DarthFrog: it's too big and bubbly.. and i miss qtcurve
[21:39] <unitypunk> hmm
[21:40] <freaky_t> i miss the mp3 encoding codex in intrepid i can't play mp3s since a few days
[21:40] <DarthFrog> ActionParsnip: You know that emerald is available with compiz?  You don't have to use Kwin.  And Kwin in KDE 4.1.2 has lots of compiz-like crunchy goodness.
[21:40] <ActionParsnip> DarthFrog: i use fluxbox, kicks the ass off everything
[21:40] <DarthFrog> !lame
[21:40] <DarthFrog> !mp3
[21:41] <freaky_t> what is a good ftp client for kubuntu?
[21:41] <cilkay> ncftp
[21:41] <jussi01> konqueror
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> freaky_t: kftp
[21:42] <ActionParsnip> freaky_t: filezilla
[21:42] <freaky_t> ill try kftp
[21:42] <freaky_t> thank you
[21:43] <DarthFrog> freaky_t: Enable the Medibuntu repository and "apt-cache search mp3 | less"  Fill yer boots.
[21:43] <freaky_t> DarthFrog: ok ill try thank you
[21:46] <chfwiggum> Helllloooo Saint Loouiis!
[21:47] <jarle> By keeping the Control key (I think) pressed too long I somehow disabled the keyboard, and all I got was a flashing screen when pressing a key, any idea what I did wrong?
[21:48] <ActionParsnip> jarle: never heard of that one
[21:48] <DarthFrog> Hmm.  Sounds like an assissted keys problem.
[21:49] <DarthFrog> jarle: You could always try pressing CTL-ALT-Backspace when that happens.  It'll kill X and bring you back to a login screen.  Any open work will be lost, though.
[21:50] <DarthFrog> Probably lost.
[21:50] <jarle> It all happened while doing some Ctrl and Cltr+Shift key combinations
[21:51] <DarthFrog> You may have confused your poor machine. :-)
[21:51] <jarle> DarthFrog: no key-combinations worked, not even Ctrl-Alt-Backspace
[21:51] <chfwiggum> jarle: i tried that with holding ctrl down-but no luck here either
[21:51] <JackWinter> anyone know a good irc channel for linux gamers ?
[21:51] <jarle> I had to use my mouse to restart X...
[21:51] <chfwiggum> #ps3
[21:52] <jarle> not sure if I am able to reproduce it though..
[21:53] <JackWinter> under kde is there a hotkey to switch from a fullscreen application to the desktop ?
[21:54] <wissem> any wan for cccam web server
[21:54] <chfwiggum> JackWinter: dont think so-but cant u create a shortcut?
[21:55] <wissem> i want to crfeat cccam server
[21:55] <wissem> hi all
[21:55] <Nasj> hi
[21:57] <JackWinter> chfwiggum: how do you mean ?  i'd prefer to run it fullscreen, but be able to switch to the desktop without exiting my game :)
[21:58] <DarthFrog> JackWinter: You could try pressing a Ctl-Function key to switch virtual desktops.
[21:59] <chfwiggum> JackWinter: aint there a thing called key-shortcuts in systemsettings where u can specify individual kde keyboard shortcuts?
[22:00] <JackWinter> DarthFrog: i did, didn't work.  the only way out when the game crashed was either ctrl-alt-bkspc or ctrl-alt-f? to another terminal.  was hoping for a better keystroke :)
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> !keyboard | JackWinter
[22:00] <estudiante> hia!
[22:00] <ActionParsnip> !shortcuts
[22:02] <DarthFrog> OK, my google-fu seems to be weak.  Does anyone know how to force Google to show results that include a specific keyword?  Just putting "+linux" still brings up a gazillion hits that don't include Linux.
[22:04] <DarthFrog> Well, it turns out that the first hit had the info I needed. :-)  Still, it's a nuisance.  And Advanced Search was no help.
[22:06] <asktoby> If I install Kubuntu 8.10 beta desktop today, and let Adept do it's thing, come release day my system will automatically change from Beta to the final release of Intrepid, right?
[22:06] <chfwiggum> DarthFrog: maybe u want to try +"linux" instead of "+linux"
[22:06] <DarthFrog> chfwiggum: Same results.  Thanks anyway.
[22:09] <DarthFrog> asktoby: Yep.
[22:10] <DarthFrog> asktoby: If you do a dist-upgrade, that is.
[22:12] <asktoby> DarthFrog: Thanks. What's the difference between the kubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso (653MB) and kubuntu-8.10-beta-dvd-i386.iso (3.4G)?
[22:13] <DexterF> DarthFrog: about the de-l10n for gimp: what you told me earlier didn't work. gimp is still english.
[22:15] <DarthFrog> DexterF: I've never played around with other languages.  I'm one of the unfortunates who only speak English (though the Canadian school system tried to teach me French).  At a guess, I would think that if you changed your system language to German, I would expect that you'd see the GIMP use German.
[22:15] <DexterF> DarthFrog: sys lang actually is german. well, I'll inquire the mailing list
[22:15] <DarthFrog> asktoby: The amount of software on the disk.  The basic system will be the same, whether you install from DVD or CD.
[22:16] <DarthFrog> DexterF: Sorry I couldn't help you.  If you find out, I'd like to hear how to do it (so I could give correct advice to the next person).
[22:17] <DexterF> one for the community. highly appreciated. channel regular?
[22:17] <DarthFrog> Off and on. :-)
[22:18] <cilkay> DexterF: What does "locale" report?
[22:19] <DexterF> cilkay: almost everything is de_DE.UTF8, one entry differs tho: LANGUAGE=de_DE:de:en_GB:en
[22:22] <cilkay> DexterF: My default locale is en_CA.UTF-8. I have additional language packs installed for French, Spanish, and Mandarin. Everything is en_CA.UTF-8 for me for "locale".
[22:22] <DexterF> this is odd... I just checked the gThumb image viewerm gtk2.... english, too... Sonata is german, but it's written in pyGTK, no clue if that mackes much of a difference
[22:23] <DexterF> *makes
[22:23] <DexterF> vmware: english (gtk2 interface)
[22:26] <cilkay> DexterF: How are you switching the default language?
[22:27] <DexterF> cilkay: I don't. I'm fine with german being default.
[22:27] <cilkay> Oh, and you want GIMP to be in German?
[22:30] <DexterF> cilkay: exactly
[22:32] <cilkay> DexterF: I find changing the default locale to be very confusing in the "Regional & Language Settings" control panel. The expected behaviour is only loosely correlated to the actual behaviour, it seems.
[22:32] <cilkay> I changed it to French (France).
[22:32] <DexterF> how do you mean?
[22:32] <cilkay> ... and when I started GIMP, it was all in English.
[22:32] <cilkay> KDE apps however were all in French.
[22:33] <DarthFrog> Hmm, I wonder if you have to do it in GNOME, as GIMP is a GNOME app?
[22:33] <cilkay> That would be extremely lame.
[22:33] <DexterF> wouldnt rule it out
[22:33] <DarthFrog> Agreed. Doesn't make it wrong, though. :-)
[22:33] <DexterF> some gconf thing
[22:34] <DexterF> question is how to d that in *K*ubuntu
[22:35]  * cilkay is getting a sinking feeling that multi-language support might torpedo acceptance of Kubuntu in the school for which he's been spending ridiculous amounts of time prepping an automated install
[22:37] <DarthFrog> I had a quick scan of gconfeditor and didn't see anything about setting the language to be used.
[22:45] <blodyx> if my sound is broken when i play .avi... what to do?
[22:47] <crimsun> blodyx: what application are you using to play .avi?
[22:47] <crimsun> blodyx: and, is the "broken sound" reproducible in all programs?
[22:54] <DexterF> blodyx: and what means "broken"? no sound at all?
[22:55] <werenerd> howdy all. I personally have not had good experiences with Kubuntu, but I love the ease of debian and KDE. Is there another KDE+Debian distro that you guys have tried?
[22:55] <lamur> hey guys how are you guys doing? i have a question how can i open iso files on ubuntu
[22:55] <lamur> ?
[22:56] <werenerd> lamur: you should be able to use K3B to burn them to disc
[22:56] <out_of_blue_sky> addon
[22:57] <DexterF> lamur: open like access the file system within?
[22:57] <blodyx> DexterF : it works fine for everything ellse
[22:57] <blodyx> broken means it comes and goes
[22:57] <DexterF> blodyx: which player?
[22:57] <blodyx> in a eaven intarvall
[22:57] <blodyx> all
[22:57] <blodyx> buildin things
[22:58] <DexterF> blodyx: so its just this file?
[22:58] <blodyx> no all .avi
[22:58] <lamur> yes open like acces the file within doxterf
[22:58] <blodyx> mostly from digital cameras...
[22:58] <DexterF> blodyx: that's odd, since avi is only a container and can hold a variety of file formats like divx, xvid, mpeg and whatnot
[22:58] <werenerd> lamur: you should just mount the ISO file and browse that way
[22:59] <blodyx> yes it may not be all avi but all the broken one was
[22:59] <DexterF> lamur: sudo mount -o loop,rw /pathtoiso /pathtosomemountpoint
[22:59] <lamur> werend how do i moun it
[22:59] <lamur> ?
[22:59] <werenerd> lamur: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/mount-and-unmout-iso-images-without-burning-them.html
[22:59] <DexterF> lamur: just create a mount point to your liking.
[23:00] <DexterF> werenerd: heh. after years of slackware one simply isn't used to having such info at a mouse click :)
[23:00] <werenerd> DexterF: lol, no I wouldn't imagine so
[23:00] <werenerd> lamur: http://hacktivision.com/index.php/2008/02/24/how-to-mount-iso-images-in-ubuntu-the-ea?blog=2
[23:00] <Guest14345> hlaaa#
[23:00] <werenerd> lamur: that is easier instructions
[23:01] <blodyx> a package with all codecs or something would be good...
[23:01] <DexterF> blodyx: w32codecs installed?
[23:02] <blodyx> i think so
[23:02] <DexterF> werenerd: I disagree with this being easier than sudo mount -o loop,rw /pathtoiso /pathtosomemountpoint. it's more mouseriderish and doesn't invole much of a command line interface.
[23:03] <DexterF> bloodboy: well... then perhaps your camera uses some odd file type. I'd google around what the cam actually uses, ensure it's only files from that cam and perhaps talk to the.. xine or mplayer mailing list.
[23:04] <werenerd> DexterF: the command line can be very intimidating. While you and I may understand that, I don't know lamur's level of expertise
[23:04] <werenerd> DexterF: I thought that page was pretty simple and a GUI takes away a lot of the fear for newer people
[23:05] <DexterF> werenerd: yes, it can. but it's poooowerful :)
[23:05] <DexterF> and fast
[23:05] <werenerd> aye
[23:05] <werenerd> that it is
[23:05] <DexterF> people should understand that noone here will attempt to coax them into erasing their harddrives and give it a shot
[23:05] <willluongo> Hello, I am having a strange problem with xorg... I have a single user (main user) on my Kubuntu 8.04 box that resets the resolution to 800x600 everytime I log in. Every other user maintains correct resolution of 1280x1024. Any ideas?
[23:06] <DexterF> I have a bit of a fear linux will become just another mouse hustler OS someday replacing the computer literate with some zombie user
[23:06] <werenerd> DexterF: pfft! Never
[23:06] <DexterF> (no offense lamur :) )
[23:07] <DexterF> werenerd: well, surely not with debian and gentoo around... wonder what these guys would do if they hadn't something to tinker with... :)
[23:08] <DexterF> then again I have to admit sometimes I'd really like somthing like daemon tools for kde... rightclick, select mount point, choose image, bam. or a context menu for konqueror "mount this iso to /mnt/iso[1234]"
[23:09] <werenerd> DexterF: speaking of KDE,  Is there another KDE+Debian distro that you have tried?
[23:09] <DexterF> werenerd: well - debian
[23:09] <lamur> i am a eginer
[23:10] <lamur> sorry i am a beginner
[23:10] <DexterF> lamur: no problem
[23:11] <werenerd> DexterF: you have tried debian proprer? I was curious, does it come with any of the nice config tools like Kubuntu?
[23:11] <DexterF> better a linux newbie than a windows wizard ;)
[23:11] <werenerd> I like GUI's too
[23:11] <DexterF> werenerd: "proprer"?
[23:12] <lamur> but can you help me with another command or maybe a aplication
[23:12] <willluongo> werenerd: By default debian comes with gnome, but you can just install kde with aptitude or apt-get or adept or... ;)
[23:12] <werenerd> DexterF: not a deviation or a vanilla install
[23:12] <willluongo> I run debian on every thing except this machine
[23:12] <DexterF> werenerd: well, debian etch - 4.0. plus some backports perhaps.
[23:12] <werenerd> willluongo: do you get the option during install to pick GNOME or KDE?
[23:13] <willluongo> werenerd: Not with the regular installer
[23:13] <lamur> like you guys sad the command is a little bit  to strong i do know how to do it in a proper way
[23:13] <DexterF> my other two boxes (multimedia machine and file server) run debian 4.0 at the moment
[23:13] <DexterF> there's actually 3 CD images: one standard (gnome), and one each for kde and xfce
[23:13] <werenerd> willluongo: crap. You say regular installer, what are the others?
[23:13] <DexterF> like with [kx]ubuntu
[23:13] <werenerd> DexterF: oh, well that works then
[23:13] <willluongo> werenerd: see DexterF's above
[23:14] <DexterF> willluongo: isn't the graphical installer default by now...?
[23:14] <willluongo> DexterF: nope
[23:14] <willluongo> DexterF: Well, ansi graphics yes, like ubuntu's? no lol
[23:14] <werenerd> willluongo: does it have the nice config tools like Ubuntu variants? I like the control center
[23:15] <DexterF> odd. well, after all, you just apt-get your fav apps after install anyway and let the deps handle the rest.
[23:15] <DexterF> werenerd: no, the macosx cc clone is a kubuntu-only thing
[23:15] <werenerd> DexterF: damn
[23:15] <DexterF> I'm surprised they hadn't Jobs yelling at them by now, this guy usually id good for hissy fits...
[23:16] <werenerd> DexterF: but it can be installed on Debian since Ubuntu is a derivative, right?
[23:16] <DexterF> uh
[23:16] <DexterF> i.. wopuldn't wanna try
[23:16] <willluongo> werenerd: no, the repos don't work like that
[23:16] <werenerd> DAMN
[23:16] <DexterF> you'd need to tinker the kubuntu kdebase code into debian
[23:16] <willluongo> werenerd: it would theoretically be possible, but you'd have to modify it pretty heavily. What would the benefit be?
[23:17] <werenerd> have you guys tried to trim the fat in Kubuntu? There is so much I do not want in it
[23:17] <werenerd> but if you try to remove it, it would remove a bunch of other crap that I do want
[23:17] <willluongo> DexterF: I'll just wait another couple of seconds every time he asks a question and then say "what DexterF said!" ;)
[23:17] <werenerd> willluongo: LOL
[23:18] <lamur> who will help me with my problem
[23:18] <willluongo> werenerd: How much fat are you looking to trim off? i.e., what are you trying to remove?
[23:18] <willluongo> lamur: What is your problem?
[23:19] <willluongo> werenerd: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
[23:19] <lamur> i cant watch trainsignal video's
[23:20] <DexterF> lamur: train...what?
[23:20] <DexterF> willluongo: ;)
[23:20] <willluongo> DexterF: I think they are training videos
[23:20] <willluongo> lamur: Are they flash? Do they require windows?
[23:20] <werenerd> willluongo: just a bunch of the default apps that I never use. Personally, I hate dolphin with a passion
[23:21] <DexterF> werenerd: so what's the big deal? I need the controlcenter maybe... once in 3 months. it's pretty, yeah. so? the ordinary kcontrol gets the job done. if that was all I had to part with on another distro that wouldn't stop me
[23:21] <werenerd> a file manager that doesn't show all the column width infuriates me
[23:21] <werenerd> kcontrol? Isn't that what I asked about earlier?
[23:22] <willluongo> werenerd: we thought you meant system settings
[23:22] <willluongo> or at least I did
[23:22] <willluongo> not to speak for DexterF
[23:22] <DexterF> werenerd: dolphin will need to evolve... I will keep konq as my FM for now and as it looks for quite a while even, tho dolphin has some neat features I like
[23:22] <DexterF> kcontrol = good old kde control center as in any distro
[23:23] <DexterF> "system settings" = fancy OSX ripoff
[23:23] <werenerd> now you guys have me wondering what you were referencing. Have I been missing out on something for the past 2 years in K/Ubuntu?
[23:23] <werenerd> DexterF: where is that?
[23:24] <DexterF> uh.. in KMenu, the first entry above the "actions" divider... "system settings" if you're locale is english, I believe...
[23:24] <DarkSmoke> hello guys
[23:25] <DarkSmoke> what is exacly "mono" ? and can it run windows .NET appliactions in linux ?
[23:25] <werenerd> I must have removed it, I don't have anything above Actions except WINE
[23:25] <werenerd> DexterF: maybe if I reset my KDE Menu it would be there
[23:26] <willluongo> brb
[23:26] <DexterF> werenerd: run "systemsettings" from a command line
[23:27] <werenerd> ooohh yeah.... now I remember that. yeah I removed the menu option because I hated it
[23:27] <werenerd> DexterF: lol, yeah I agree with you on that one. OSX ripoff
[23:27] <DexterF> DarkSmoke: well.... mono is a code VM much like Java, and it's supposed to interpret programs written in C#. from what I've been able to gather interoperability between .NET and Mono however is much like... um. no appropriate comparison at hand :D
[23:27] <werenerd> been so long since I saw that I forgot about it
[23:28] <DexterF> werenerd: well, the other is kcontrol. that's how the KDE peeps released it and how it is in pretty much any distro... including debian.
[23:28] <serenity> hi
[23:28] <serenity> does anyone of you know, if the displayport technology is already included into xorg?
[23:29] <werenerd> DexterF: if I can get the kcontrol in debian, I may just go ahead and try it. I was afraid I was going to have to use the CLI for everything. as powerfull as it is, I hate typing all that crap out
[23:29] <kbuntu-danex> i have an intel core 2 duo laptop. does anyone know if i should download the 64 version of kubuntu?
[23:29] <DexterF> DarkSmoke: there's a certain intersection of commands that work in both, but as I grokked it it's the usual "we labeled it open platform interoperability but somehow we achieve that if you wanna use it you have to stick to US"-MS-thing
[23:30] <DexterF> so screw it. code it in java :)
[23:30] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: "should" you? depends. What are you going to be doing on the laptop?
[23:30] <kbuntu-danex> work
[23:30] <kbuntu-danex> daily use
[23:30] <serenity> kbuntu-danex: so, there is no need for
[23:30] <kbuntu-danex> my kestion is if intel core 2 duo is a 64 arkitecture
[23:31] <werenerd> are you going to be running a 64 bit application that requires the 64 bit version?
[23:31] <DexterF> werenerd: last time I confed kde stuff at the cli was... pff... never? :D kcontrol is a fixed part of kde
[23:31] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: oh, my mistake
[23:31] <serenity> if your are handling with large amounts of RAM, or doing stuff with many IOs then maybe
[23:31] <DexterF> kbuntu-danex: depends on the series. E21xx - rather not. E5xxx and above - guess so
[23:31] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: just download the 32 bit version, it will work
[23:31] <DexterF> E7xxx and E8xxx for sure
[23:31] <kbuntu-danex> yes
[23:31] <serenity> <<< t7250
[23:32] <werenerd> if you are going to use WIne, you don't want to use a 64 bit version
[23:32] <DexterF> werenerd: how's that?
[23:32] <werenerd> DexterF: I don't believe the current verison of WINE plays well with 64 bit linux
[23:32] <kbuntu-danex> werenerd: ok, why is that?
[23:33] <kbuntu-danex> ok ok ;)
[23:33] <werenerd> it can be done, but it is not easy
[23:33] <DexterF> I'm running 64b right now... only casualty was intel indeo iv50 video.
[23:33] <DexterF> so far that is
[23:33] <serenity> 64bit-wine? Here's your visa for the land of pain
[23:34] <DexterF> haven't done much with wine lately but I don't see why it wouldn't work
[23:34] <DexterF> serenity: tell me please
[23:34] <werenerd> DexterF: I could not run a few Windows apps when I had 6.10 64 bit
[23:34] <werenerd> serenity: lol, you too huh?
[23:34] <serenity> werenerd: yipp
[23:35] <kbuntu-danex> my doubt was if my laptop arkitect was a 32 bit or a 64 bit. I have an Asus Z53Sseries T7500
[23:35] <werenerd> truth be told, there is not *that* much of a performance difference IMO
[23:35] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: what do you have installed as your OS now on that laptop?
[23:35] <kbuntu-danex> it is a 64 right? im very noob... :S
[23:35] <serenity> DexterF: wine is a "translator" for win32 to linux 32. In c64 mode it has to manage handling 64bit code
[23:36] <kbuntu-danex> Xp and Ubuntu
[23:36] <kbuntu-danex> 32 bit ubuntu
[23:36] <serenity> forget the c ;)
[23:36] <DexterF> serenity: it's not. it's a reimplementation of the win32 api. as such if compiled under a 64b host it should run w32 code all the same
[23:36] <kbuntu-danex> but if my laptop is a 64 bit then to take full advantage of the machine i sould install 64 right?
[23:37] <DarkSmoke> DexterF: but i was trying to wine a prog and it told me to install the MS version of mono... when i installed it on windows it didn't ask for mono
[23:37] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: not necessarily
[23:37] <nvidia> will kubuntu support an nvidia card thats pci-express?, my onboard card is ati & kubuntu never reads it right = (  moniter config is always the wrong resolution!
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> nvidia: yes kubuntu supports pci-express
[23:38] <DexterF> DarkSmoke: beyong me, #mono perhaps?
[23:38] <kbuntu-danex> ok, many thanks people
[23:38] <nvidia> great thz tons = )
[23:38] <DarkSmoke> im using nvidia geforce 8400 which is pci-e x16
[23:38] <werenerd> kbuntu-danex: the only way to take full advantage of it is to have a 64 bit OS & 64bit application. Plus, you *could* have more than 4gb of RAM which is part of the benefit of a 64 bit OS. Greater memory allocation
[23:39] <DexterF> kbuntu-danex: depends oif what "full advantage" means to you. you will be able to address 4gig+ mem and have some minor speedup due to arch optimizations
[23:39] <werenerd> DexterF: Ha! Beat you to it
[23:39] <DexterF> werenerd: ...?
[23:39] <nvidia> hmm ok i was going for the 6600 with 512 ddr, hope its good?
[23:40] <DexterF> nvidia: it will work
[23:40] <kbuntu-danex> ok
[23:40] <DexterF> "good" is a question of perspective. if you wanna play Crysis - not good. if "google earth" is what warms your heart - yeah, good.
[23:41] <nvidia> thx good, chep card 40$ but for 512 mb should at least have good graphics but not as fast as yours = )
[23:41] <werenerd> DexterF: I was just saying I said the same thing as you. like you were doing with willluongo
[23:42] <werenerd> nvidia: I have 6600 PCI-E, does everything I need just fine. I can play any game in the repo's at my monitor max rez no problem
[23:43] <DexterF> i just installed my fav guitar tuner in wine. works ok. deaf as usual because I guess I need to tell it about the sound dev somehow, but works
[23:43] <DexterF> ok, that's just a aguitar tuner, given
[23:44] <kbuntu-danex> ok thankx a lot people. Last Question:  but my machine supports 64 bit ubuntu, right? (intel core 2 duo / Asus T7500 Z53S)
[23:44] <kbuntu-danex> the amd64 download
[23:44] <nvidia> kewl, im stepping up from the geforce 5500 256md running on 4x not proper 8x, still I could get a solid 90 fps playing tremulous = )
[23:46] <DexterF> kbuntu-danex: well, the only c2d I know of which are not 64b should be the low budget E21xx series. are you running on that machine now? with linux?
[23:47] <willluongo_afk> werenerd kbuntu-danex wine works fine for me I am running 64 bit 8.04 now... sorry it is a day late and a dollar short... lol
[23:47] <DexterF> just burn the iso to a RW blank, if it fails it won't even boot
[23:47] <lego> How can I change my colors in Linux?  I am trying to setup 16bit colors.
[23:47] <lego> for a game in Wine.
[23:47] <DexterF> lego: why would you wanna........ ah
[23:48] <DexterF> lego: treid running it just like that at current depth?
[23:48] <lego> Yeah and it complains about needing 16bit colors and 1024x768 or 1280x1024 resolution.
[23:49] <kbuntu-danex> DesterF: i dont know if is E21xx series
[23:49] <DexterF> no clue really, sorry. what game, out of curiosity?
[23:49] <lego> I have an ATI Rage 128,
[23:49] <kbuntu-danex> i have an asus t7500
[23:49] <lego> Lego Loco
[23:49] <kbuntu-danex> but i dont think this was low budget
[23:50] <kbuntu-danex> it cost me around 1000 euros a aprox one year ago
[23:50] <willluongo> kbuntu-danex: You are probably best off running 32, unless you have more than 4GB of RAM you want to use all on one app
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> all right
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> ;)
[23:52] <DexterF> lego: you could change the default color depth of course in /etc/X11/xorg.conf... but that would affect the whole system of course
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> thanks kubuntu people :D
[23:52] <DexterF> yw
[23:52] <kbuntu-danex> good night to all
[23:53] <lego> Okay.
[23:53] <lego> I will try some of my other Lego games.
[23:53] <DexterF> tz. I can't see from the proc cpu flags if my chip is 64b. (which I know, wanted to see if there's a flag)
[23:53] <DexterF> lego: i used to like *real* lego ;)
[23:54] <willluongo> Well I've got to take off I'll be back again
[23:54] <willluongo> lol
[23:54] <willluongo> have a good night
[23:54] <lego> I have some Lego Minifigs here.  Recently bought the Lego Indiana stuff.
[23:54] <DexterF> lego: do they have nazi symbols? :D
[23:54] <lego> No.
[23:54] <DexterF> damn :D
[23:55] <lego> lol
[23:55] <DexterF> alright, I'll run for the sheets now myself. good night all, enjoyable chat.
[23:55] <yousef> lego?
[23:55] <lego> Yes?
[23:55] <yousef> nvrmd
[23:56] <lego> rofl
[23:56] <lego> I know, odd nickname.
[23:56] <lego> lol
[23:56] <yousef> lol
[23:56] <Minifig> Is that better?  rofl
[23:56] <werenerd> OK, I am off to the hardware store. Thanks for the help dex and will
[23:56] <yousef> wuts a minifig
[23:57] <Minifig> Ask Wikipedia.  lolMinifigures are small, plastic figural toys produced by Danish toy manufacturer Lego, which are customarily sold with Lego sets, as characters intended to populate modular Lego environments. Although many Lego sets include minifigures, Lego also sells collections of minifigures separate from other sets. They are also referred to as as minifigs, figs or simply Lego people. Minifigures are collected by both children and
[23:57] <Minifig> adults, sometimes independently of Lego bricks themselves.
[23:58] <zabbadapp> name of widget to show cpu load and/or temperature in the systray of kde4?
[23:58] <stdin> erm, we do have an off topic channel: #kubuntu-offtopic
[23:58] <yousef> i c
[23:58] <Minifig> oops.  I apologize.
[23:58] <yousef> ksysguard?
[23:59] <Minifig> Be back soon.