[00:00] <Mimi> jackalope
[00:01] <ronny> hmm, *help* my windows in gnome still lack decorations and get started in fullscreen mode, anyone cacn help
[00:01] <outbri> ronny: try running emerald --replace
[00:02] <ronny> outbri: doesnt work
[00:02] <outbri> ronny: hmm. I'm not sure about the fullscreen thing either
[00:02] <outbri> ronny: is compiz running?
[00:02] <ronny> outbri: no
[00:02] <Windsurfer619> gtk-window-decorator --replace does what?
[00:02] <wastrel> i'm running 8.10
[00:03] <Mimi> It replaces the window decorator
[00:04] <Windsurfer619> Well, sure. But I'm looking for the errors that ronny gets
[00:04] <Windsurfer619> He doesn't have metacity or a window decorator running, methinks
[00:04] <ronny> outbri: even id i run compiz and replace stuff i dont get window decorations
[00:05] <Mimi> Oops hehe, Windsurfer619  i thought you were actually asking the channel what it does hehe!
[00:06] <ronny> Windsurfer619: well, running compiz now, in fact no window manager seems to get decorations
[00:06] <krash> how come when I add stuff to my favorites it shows up there messed up?
[00:07] <krash> missing the icon and says ie. kde/konversation.desktop underneath of konversation?
[00:16] <Mimi> Anyone know what is meant by "Any application is able to utilise the instant messaging session. "  (Regarding Empathy, reading Gnome 2.24 release notes)
[00:18] <RAOF> Mimi: Apps can talk to telepathy to do useful things (like sending IMs to your contacts, or files, or doing colaborative editing, etc)
[00:18] <mxiia> Networking isn't working, I cannot seem to edit any form of a network (wireless) under nm-applet i cannot add anytthing, under nm-editor i cannot view the eth0 configuration, in 8.04 i had it working...
[00:18] <crdlb> telepathy: the most awesome abuse of dbus ever
[00:19] <mxiia>  Networking isn't working, I cannot seem to edit any form of a network (wireless) under nm-applet i cannot add anytthing, under nm-editor i cannot view the eth0 configuration, in 8.04 i had it working...
[00:19] <Mimi> hehehehe crdlb ! RAOF I think I understand now, thanks! Sounds exciting
[00:19] <Windsurfer619> Seems like ibex broke your system. Could it have something to do with the ethernet kernel patch?
[00:20] <mxiia> I don't know
[00:20] <mxiia> It worked in ibix for a daym then today it stopped
[00:20] <mxiia> I'm on another computer
[00:22] <keithclark> I seem to be having a problem getting Compiz to work with my ATI X200 video here.  I have the restricted drivers installed and enabled, but the Extras just will not work.
[00:22] <mxiia> I have been banned from #ubuntu? why!?
[00:22] <LjL> mxiia: ask in #ubuntu-ops
[00:22] <mxiia> ok
[00:23] <mxiia> still have that damn networking problem
[00:26] <keithclark> I asked in #compiz-fusion and they told me to ask: "how to nudge dkms to make it rebuild the kernel module" here.
[00:27] <crdlb> (it's trying to use the 8.50.3 kernel module instead of 8.54.3)
[00:29] <keithclark> crdlb, what, you are everywhere :)
[00:34] <ralpho> Savwafare Ist Everywhere
[00:34] <ronny> ok, i get window-decorations in fluxbox, i dont get them in gnome/xfce4
[00:34] <ronny> wth is broken
[00:37] <Denise> whats happening
[00:39] <ronny> cant really explain it, but gnome/xfce lack window decoration, other wm's dont
[00:39] <ronny> it happend since i randomly installed a larger chunk of stuff
[00:40] <Denise> u wanted to shock me
[00:40] <ronny> (ubuntu-mobile and some other things, combined to around 2gb of installed packages (yes, thats probably insane))
[00:40] <LjL> Denise: stop saying nonsense
[00:40] <Denise> come on
[00:41] <Denise> you are unfair
[00:41] <Denise> your game is to easy to read
[00:42] <ronny> well, im on fluxbox for now, i'd still like to figure how the heck i broke gnome/xfce
[00:45] <leftyfb> Is there a known problem/fix for intrepid constantly stating "System restart required"? I've run update-grub and even manually uninstalled the previous kernels/headers/modules.
[00:46] <krash> You have to restart if you want to run the new kernel
[00:47] <leftyfb> krash: I know that
[00:48] <leftyfb> by constantly stating, I mean, at every boot and does not go away
[00:49] <storrgie> is anyone using the nvidia beta driver in 8.10... for cards like the GTX200 series
[00:49] <musashi> i am trying to boot intrepid in vbox and i get an error about "this kernel requires an x85-64 cpu but only detected an i686." I have a 64 bit CPU and run 64 bit hardy right now. any idea what i'm missing? i don't see a config option for this.
[00:49] <krash> leftyfb: ahh sorry
[00:50] <leftyfb> musashi: vbox doesn't support 64bit guests AFAIK
[00:50] <musashi> leftyfb, really? i could have sworn i've used other 64 bit distros but maybe not.
[00:50] <leftyfb> musashi: http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&q=virtualbox+64bit+guest&btnG=Search
[00:54] <musashi> hmm, some say links sound like it works other not. guess I'll try the 32 bit for now until i install. thanks.
[00:56] <leftyfb> better of with 32bit anyway
[00:56] <leftyfb> less headaches
[01:19] <facta> whens final out
[01:19] <facta> im not gonna run the beta if it may BREAK YOUR SYSTEM
[01:20] <leftyfb> in 2 weeks
[01:21] <JontheEchidna> in 2 weeks it will magically not break you system ;D
[01:22] <leftyfb> i've found no major issues with beta
[01:22] <leftyfb> running it on 3 machines
[01:25] <facta> LOL
[01:34] <keithclark> ATI X200 + 8.10 beta do not work together well at all.
[01:36] <keithclark> Other than that, it has no issues on my system.
[01:43] <tux> anyone have any idea what the final artwork in intrepid will be ?
[01:43] <bsnider> so...i guess the new catalyst driver doesn't even work?
[01:44] <bsnider> tux, the new wallpaper is out now
[01:44] <tux> i have that yup
[01:44] <AdamMoredo> Hmm, my numlock seems to be inverted.
[01:44] <tux> more curious about the theme they will decide on :)
[01:44] <AdamMoredo> If I hit the numlock key, it goes into non-numlock mode.
[01:44] <tux> expecting the wow factor to be high :P
[01:44] <bsnider> human-murrine is the theme
[01:45] <tux> hmm i don't have that in my appearance/theme options
[01:46] <bsnider> tux, it is called "human"
[01:46] <Mimi> Yeah guys, sorry for the really silly question, but where are the wallpapers stored? (I dont have any ubuntu wallpapers in Appearance)
[01:46] <Mimi> bsnider isnt it called darkroom now?
[01:46] <Mimi> the new one
[01:46] <tux> bsnider: oh right
[01:46] <leftyfb> Mimi: darkroom isn't default
[01:46] <tux> but thats no the final one they are choosing afaik
[01:46] <leftyfb> human is default
[01:46] <leftyfb> not much change
[01:46] <bsnider> Mimi, darkroom is only an experiment
[01:46] <AdamMoredo> Mimi: locate wallpaper shows /usr/share/wallpapers/
[01:47] <tux> yup darkroom is a tester :P
[01:47] <leftyfb> Mimi: /usr/share/backgrounds
[01:47] <Mimi> Thank you!
[01:47] <tux> i think they are going to change the default theme for the Release candidate
[01:47] <tux> want to polish it up and wait till the last min
[01:47] <bsnider> Mimi, default intrepid wallpaper is at /usr/share/wallpapers/Ubuntu.png
[01:47] <tux> i hope so anyways
[01:48] <bsnider> tux, _human_ is the default theme
[01:48] <Mimi> Aaah I thought the darkish earth ibex on the lower right corner with the ubuntu logo was incredibly professional, warm and welcoming.. too bad it wasnt used! oh well *goes download it*
[01:48] <tux> the final one they are going to choose for the full release?
[01:48] <bsnider> tux, correct
[01:49] <tux> weren't they supposed to be doing some huge graphical update ??
[01:49] <tux> nothings changed
[01:49] <keithclark> bsnider, catalyst driver seems to work ok, but not with Compiz.
[01:49] <bsnider> new wallpaper
[01:49] <wastrel> human is the default theme
[01:49] <wastrel> the new wallpaper yeah
[01:49] <wastrel> i liked the circles
[01:49] <leftyfb> tux: incorrect. There have been some changes in the human theme
[01:49] <tux> we know human is the default theme
[01:49] <tux> such as?
[01:49] <leftyfb> just nothing drastic
[01:50] <tux> well it certainly aint anything to write home about
[01:50] <tux> more of an anti-climax
[01:51] <tux> correct me if i sound pessimistic but was anyone expecting a bit more er.. glamour?
[01:51] <Mimi> Human is pretty good for a default. Remember Ubuntu is used by teenagers, but also by children and older people, who might not apreciate a 'uber super dooper' look. They want something simple and easy to see.
[01:52] <tux> this looks decent https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Wall-light
[01:52] <leftyfb> most people never stick with the default theme, personally I wouldn't put too much time into it over more important issues/features .... like with this release, MUCH better wireless compatibility.
[01:53] <Mimi> tux you can certainly add your comments to that page to bring it to the developers attention. If you really like it, go vote for it ^.^
[01:53] <tux> when is RC out?
[01:53] <wastrel> i would stick with the default theme if it weren't brown
[01:53] <Mimi> !schedule
[01:53] <wastrel> i need to hire someone to make my computer look good
[01:54] <leftyfb> wastrel: gnome-look.org
[01:54] <wastrel> i don't have the energy or interest to go slogging through 9000 crappy themes to find one i like
[01:54] <Mimi> Awww wastrel, sort the themes by "best voted"
[01:54] <leftyfb> wastrel: look for "gnome-art next gen"
[01:54] <tux> ok RC is out next week October 23rd and 30th is final
[01:54] <wastrel> no
[01:55] <Mimi> What are you looking for in a theme, wastrel?
[01:55] <leftyfb> wastrel: it's an app for managing themes .. easier to look for themes for it to download and install for you
[01:55] <wastrel> not brown is key
[01:56] <bsnider> tux, intrepid will come with a few new themes that you can switch to that are radically different from human, like dust, kin, and darkroom
[01:56] <keithclark> bsnider, I have intrepid and I don't see those.
[01:56] <bsnider> keithclark, install the package called community-themes
[01:56] <keithclark> bsnider, thanks!
[01:56] <Mimi> Silly, you can change the colors... I got lots of themes, but even just changing human to a soft green makes it look lovely (and i dont even like green OR the human theme :P)
[01:58] <keithclark> bsnider, I don't find the community-themes package in synaptic
[01:58] <wastrel> it's in universe
[01:58] <bsnider> fedora 10 is developing a new theme which includes everything but the kitchen sink
[01:58] <bsnider> http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Fedora+10+Solar+(candidate+theme)?content=88893
[01:59] <voss> I just dont like the orange ubuntu theme, id rather have blue
[01:59] <leftyfb> voss: so change it to blue
[01:59] <voss> I just use Kubuntu instead :)
[02:00] <keithclark> wastrel, universe is turned on
[02:00] <bsnider> you don't like a colour scheme, so you drop gnome instead of changing colours?
[02:01] <wastrel> i didn't realize you could change the colors now
[02:01] <leftyfb> bsnider / wastrel : there's no community-themes package
[02:01] <voss> bsnider, switching to kde is easier than changing colors in gnome
[02:01] <keithclark> leftyfb, good, I'm not crazy
[02:01] <wastrel> i'm bad at colors anway
[02:01] <wastrel> yeah colors are hard
[02:01] <leftyfb> voss: incorrect
[02:01] <wastrel> that's why i want someone else to do it
[02:02] <bsnider> you two obviously have some repository problems then, because it's there
[02:02] <leftyfb> bsnider: oh wait, it's in intrepid
[02:02] <Mimi> I'll volunteer.
[02:02] <leftyfb> it's not in the hardy repos
[02:02] <keithclark> leftyfb, I'm in intrepid
[02:02] <voss> For me it is
[02:02] <voss> Plus I like kde apps
[02:03] <leftyfb> appearance -> background -> color
[02:03] <wastrel> i'm waiting for kde4 to mature some then ill try switching
[02:03] <bsnider> voss, if i wanted to use kde4, i'd use mandriva's, because it's their specialty. ubuntu doesn't as good a job with kde
[02:03] <voss> wastrel I dont like kde4 im using kde3
[02:05] <keithclark> bsnider, which repo exactly....I'm having no luck in synaptic with all repos on
[02:06] <leftyfb> keithclark: http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/universe Packages
[02:06] <leftyfb> http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=default&section=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=community-themes
[02:06] <bsnider> keithclark, pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:09] <tux> anyone use the usb-creator tool yet?
[02:09] <leftyfb> http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid
[02:09] <leftyfb> that's a good sources.list
[02:10] <keithclark> bsnider, http://www.pastebin.ca/1228936
[02:12] <teratoma> i have a laptop.  i have a LCD screen attached to the laptop.  How do i make the laptop and LCD screen all be one big wide X desktop ?
[02:12] <bsnider> keithclark, now we see the danger of using mirrors instead of the main server
[02:13] <maha> does ubuntu allow hibernation
[02:13] <leftyfb> keithclark: use the one I posted. Take out your 3 custom repo's in the bottom of yours and put them into dedicated repo .list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d so you have a nice fresh and clean main repo
[02:13] <leftyfb> maha: yes
[02:13] <maha> ok good
[02:14] <keithclark> leftyfb, reloading.................
[02:14] <maha> its a feature i LOVE
[02:15] <maha> anyway
[02:15] <keithclark> leftyfb, nope, still no match found.  Something else must be wrong here
[02:15] <maha> i have serious doubts any ubuntu version will boot x on my system ;(
[02:16] <leftyfb> keithclark: you replaced your /etc/apt/sources.list with my sources.list.intrepid (renamed to sources.list) , did a sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get install community-themes and it's still not finding it?
[02:16] <leftyfb> maha: why do you say that?
[02:16] <keithclark> leftyfb, correct
[02:16] <maha> leftyfb i have very low expectations for my linux capability
[02:17] <bsnider> keithclark, maybe you're spelling it wrong?
[02:17] <leftyfb> maha: again, why do you say that?
[02:17] <Volkodav> anybody compiled barry 0.14 for 64 bit?
[02:17] <maha> leftyfb x wont load on my laptop
[02:18] <keithclark> I've done it 5 times over
[02:18] <Storrgie> I did a partial upgrade last night, evolution was removed... now when i try update tonight it says that my system is... up to date....
[02:18] <Volkodav> barry ?
[02:19] <leftyfb> keithclark: sudo cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.bak.20081016 && sudo wget http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid -o /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install community-themes
[02:19] <leftyfb> run that, all one line
[02:20] <leftyfb> Storrgie: sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:20] <Storrgie> really?
[02:20] <Storrgie> that drastic?
[02:20] <leftyfb> it's not drastic
[02:20] <leftyfb> try it
[02:20] <Storrgie> why dont i just download the iso again and install, then do fresh updates
[02:20] <leftyfb> if that doesn't work:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[02:20] <leftyfb> Storrgie: ubuntu-desktop won't reinstall everything
[02:20] <keithclark> leftyfb, E: Type '--2008-10-16' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:21] <leftyfb> it'll install packages that are missing from the "ubuntu-desktop" meta package list
[02:22] <Storrgie> thank you
[02:22] <Storrgie> leftyfb: i want to install 8.10 Beta on my server that has an nvidia 7950gt
[02:22] <leftyfb> keithclark: run each command individually one at a time, separated by the &&'s
[02:22] <Storrgie> think it will work with that graphics card?
[02:22] <webmaren> trying to install deKorator but for some odd reason I can't get a Makefile
[02:23] <webmaren> like, it's not in the tar.gz
[02:23] <leftyfb> Storrgie: why are you concerned with what video card your "server" has?
[02:23] <keithclark> bash: http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid: No such file or directory
[02:23] <Storrgie> its my server because its running a 2tb raid array, and my VM's I just would like to use gfx acceleration
[02:24] <wastrel> i changed themes on my intrepid
[02:24] <leftyfb> keithclark: got DNS issues?
[02:24] <Storrgie> i can list the specs and you could tell me if its gonna be an issue
[02:24] <leftyfb> keithclark: can you open that in firefox?
[02:24] <keithclark> sorry, not meant for you
[02:24] <keithclark> Too click happy
[02:24] <bsnider> Storrgie, the nvidia-glx-177 package can handle that card
[02:24] <Storrgie> awesome
[02:25] <Storrgie> i should have checked that
[02:25] <tidrion> aight
[02:25] <Volkodav> is there oo 3.0 for 64 bit yet ?
[02:25] <tidrion> I have been slamming my head against my board for about 2 days now
[02:25] <bsnider> Volkodav, in a ppa
[02:25] <tidrion> I can't get my wifi card started
[02:25] <keithclark> leftyfb, this one is meant for you though:  E: Type '--2008-10-16' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[02:25] <leftyfb> Volkodav: check openoffice.org
[02:25] <leftyfb> keithclark: run each command individually one at a time, separated by the &&'s
[02:25] <Storrgie> question for you guys, sometimes when i boot my wireless connection will say 0%, but it knows the SSID
[02:26] <Volkodav> I did not see 64 bit deb there
[02:26] <tidrion> I'm using BF43 drovers
[02:26] <keithclark> leftyfb, I did and that was the result
[02:26] <leftyfb> keithclark: after running which command?
[02:26] <tidrion> I'm using the BF43 drivers but I can't seem to get it to actually connect
[02:26] <keithclark> leftyfb, last one
[02:26] <tidrion> not to mention, the new network configuration app is totally throwing me for a loop
[02:26] <tidrion> I can't figure out how to use it......
[02:27] <tidrion> is there something else I can use besides the network connections/configuration app?
[02:27] <leftyfb> keithclark: download http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid manually to your desktop
[02:27] <leftyfb> open it in gedit to confirm that it's correct, as it should be
[02:27] <leftyfb> rename it to sources.list
[02:28] <leftyfb> then: sudo mv ~/Desktop/sources.list /etc/apt/ && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install community-themes
[02:29] <keithclark> Holy cow....this should be so complex?
[02:29] <leftyfb> nope
[02:29] <leftyfb> you're just having some unknown issues
[02:29] <keithclark> Normally Video and Wireless are problems....always have been, always shall be....but not something like this
[02:30] <leftyfb> your repos aren't right
[02:30] <leftyfb> just need to fix them
[02:30] <tidrion> speaking of wireless...
[02:30] <tidrion> anyone have a suggestion?
[02:30] <Storrgie> hey leftyfb i think that there is some drawing issues with gnome... when i switch to another window with alt+tab some stuff doesnt appear... but if i wiggle the window it redraws
[02:30] <leftyfb> Storrgie: video driver, or lack there of issue
[02:30] <tidrion> Storrgie: I have the same thing, always with the title bar
[02:30] <Storrgie> tidrion: i tried to get help with wireless for a long time... noone really wants to help tonight
[02:31] <Storrgie> tidrion: what card?
[02:31] <Storrgie> leftyfb: tidrion: I have a quadro 360m on this machine with the 177
[02:31] <tidrion> Storrgie: gah, I'm on a crap Nvidia 2600
[02:31] <bsnider> Storrgie, what's an nvidia bug
[02:31] <keithclark> leftyfb, now that link is not responding
[02:31] <keithclark> http://dropbox.leftyfb.com/sources.list.intrepid
[02:32] <wastrel> yeah nvidia breaks compiz
[02:32] <Storrgie> bsnider: it is an nvidia bugg?
[02:32] <wastrel> and fglrx doesn't work with X
[02:32] <bsnider> Storrgie, yes it is
[02:32] <Storrgie> really....
[02:32] <wastrel> yeah i turned off compiz
[02:32] <Storrgie> something that will be addressed soon? before the end of beta period?
[02:32] <wastrel> you can also tweak some compiz settings and it supposedly helps a bit
[02:32] <bsnider> Storrgie, no
[02:32] <bsnider> Storrgie, this is the final driver
[02:32] <Storrgie> oh really...
[02:33] <Storrgie> what if i installed the nvidia driver
[02:33] <Storrgie> from their site
[02:33] <keithclark> ATI and compiz is also broken
[02:33] <bsnider> Storrgie, next up is the 180 series that will provide hardware-accelerated opengl 3
[02:33] <keithclark> X200 at least
[02:33] <Storrgie> bsnider: but there are not any cards that support opengl 3 right now right?
[02:33] <Storrgie> i just bought a damn gtx260! damnit
[02:33] <leftyfb> keithclark: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1228951
[02:34] <RAOF> wastrel: fglrx actually works with our X now :)
[02:34] <wastrel> bravo :]
[02:34] <wastrel> doesn't help me, i have nvidia
[02:34] <bsnider> RAOF, using this beta catalyst thing? michael larabel just badmouthed it on his site
[02:35] <bsnider> i see no difference at all between how openoffice 2.4 looked and openoffice 3
[02:35] <Storrgie> so im hung out to dry for support with nvidia cards and compiz?
[02:36] <bsnider> Storrgie, huh? compiz works under nvidia
[02:36] <Storrgie> bsnider: but with that bug. i have it working... but the redraw bug
[02:36] <wastrel> the redraw prob is v. annoying
[02:36] <Storrgie> like right now i just googled something... the page stayed white until i wiggled the window
[02:36] <bsnider> there's one friggin bug
[02:36] <bsnider> get over it
[02:36] <wastrel> a really really annoying bug
[02:37] <Storrgie> its insane annoying man
[02:37] <Storrgie> you have to basically massage the desktop at all times
[02:37] <Storrgie> or get used to hammering the alt+tab
[02:37] <wastrel> it's a bad bug
[02:37] <Storrgie> bad alot
[02:37] <leftyfb> compiz works fine for me on 3 machines , 2 with nvidia, one with intel, the other with compiz, all running intrepid. My main machine runs hardy and compiz works fine.
[02:37] <leftyfb> Storrgie: it's a bug with the video driver. Look it up or try another driver
[02:37] <wastrel> Storrgie: the launchpad bug thread has a lot of workarounds that ppl say make it not so bad
[02:38] <RAOF> bsnider: Using the fglrx drivers available in Intrepid.  Someone can badmouth it all they like, but it (finally) works for us :)
[02:38] <wastrel> i just turned off compiz because hey-  fuck it.
[02:38] <Storrgie> wastrel: anyone just install the nvidia driver?
[02:38] <wastrel> i dunno i stopped really follwoing it
[02:38] <wastrel> i'd rather have the contents of my windows be correct than have desktop effects
[02:39] <wastrel> so i'm on metacity until J
[02:39] <RAOF> Storrgie: That bug seems to be (a) Only for geforce 8/9 series cards, and (b) Only for the -177 drivers.
[02:39] <Storrgie> hey leftyfb i tried to install ubuntu-desktop... didnt get evolution back
[02:39] <bsnider> RAOF, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Njc4OA
[02:40] <tidrion> anyone in here gotten B43 to work in 8.10
[02:40] <wastrel> RAOF: i'ts not only for 177 and not only for 8/9
[02:40] <wastrel> RAOF: the older drivers 173 i think have it less severely but still have it
[02:40] <bsnider> RAOF, actually, he's talking about the 8.10 version. sorry, that's not the one canonical now has exclusive access to
[02:40] <wastrel> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1)
[02:41] <Storrgie> i think im going to be doing a format.... grrrrrr
[02:41] <leftyfb> Storrgie: sudo apt-get install --reinstall ubuntu-desktop
[02:41] <RAOF> bsnider: He also talks about XvMC as if it would be useful if fglrx supported it :)
[02:41] <leftyfb> or sudo apt-get install evolution
[02:42] <Storrgie> yea my internet is slow right now
[02:42] <Storrgie> isnt ubuntu-desktop like 2 G?
[02:42] <tidrion> anyone in here gotten B43 to work in 8.10
[02:42] <tidrion> sorry didn't mean to spam
[02:42] <bsnider> Storrgie, there are driver tweaks for the 177 series that need to be implemented in order for the driver to work properly
[02:42] <bsnider> although they don't completely solve the drawing bug
[02:42] <leftyfb> it's not going to install the whole thing again, especially if you've still got the .deb's in your cache
[02:42] <Storrgie> bsnider: tweaks?
[02:42] <tidrion> brb
[02:43] <bsnider> tweaks
[02:43] <RAOF> wastrel: If you've got a not 8/9 card and that bug affects you, it might be worth speaking up on the bug - all the people who responded with their lspci results had nv5x/nv6x chips.
[02:43] <Storrgie> bsnider: where can i find these 'tweaks'
[02:43] <wastrel> RAOF: one person had my same card :]  so i figured it was covered
[02:44] <RAOF> wastrel: Oh, really? I didn't notice that (what card is yours?)
[02:44] <wastrel> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro FX 570M (rev a1)
[02:44] <bsnider> Storrgie, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[02:44] <RAOF> wastrel: That's an nv5x.
[02:44] <RAOF> wastrel: it's a geforce 8
[02:44] <wastrel> ok
[02:44] <bsnider> hasn't he got the workstation version?
[02:45] <RAOF> Yeah, but it's a workstation version of a geforce 8.  That means it's had more testing and doubled in price.
[02:45] <bsnider> that must have been hideously expensive
[02:45] <Storrgie> what card?
[02:45] <Storrgie> quadro?
[02:46] <Storrgie> i have the quadro 360m in my laptop here
[02:46] <bsnider> yeah
[02:46] <bsnider> it's built for businesses
[02:46] <Storrgie> and i could get another one to 'test' with if need be
[02:46] <wastrel> yeah this is my laptop
[02:47] <bsnider> wastrel, i think you need to send me that laptop for testing. i'll return it in several years
[02:47] <wastrel> the y key is becoming unresponsive :[
[02:48] <Storrgie> lol
[02:48] <Storrgie> seriously piss
[02:48] <Storrgie> why cant we just get a break with nvidia
[02:49] <bsnider> yeah, the only company spending the money it takes to provide hardware acceleration on linux isn't doing enough
[02:50] <leftyfb> my nvidias card work great
[02:50] <bsnider> nvidia does plenty. linux users are less than one percent of the desktop market
[02:51] <bsnider> RAOF, whose arm did shuttleworth twist to get catalyst 8.11?
[02:51] <Storrgie> bsnider: im a pretty new convert to linux.... but most of the people i know are now mac and linux with nvidia cards
[02:51] <Storrgie> my company uses all windows though
[02:51] <Storrgie> for desktop applications
[02:51] <wastrel> windows is bad
[02:51] <wastrel> ubuntu is good except for the bugs
[02:51] <bsnider> Storrgie, none of the other graphics chips have hardware acceleration on linux. only nvidia
[02:52] <Storrgie> brb restart, post update.
[02:52] <wastrel> why can't ubuntu just fix all the bugs it's really infuriating
[02:52] <bsnider> wastrel, not enough devs
[02:52] <leftyfb> wastrel: that's a pretty dumb comment
[02:53] <wastrel> ubuntu won't be ready for prime time until it's 100% bug free
[02:53] <wastrel> :]
[02:53] <bsnider> there is no such thing
[02:53] <leftyfb> another dumb comment
[02:53] <bsnider> there is no software that's bug free
[02:53] <leftyfb> there is no software on the planet that is 100% bug free and never will be
[02:53] <bsnider> and i don't care if a million years is spent on bugfixing one release
[02:53] <myk_robinson> whassup, all
[02:53] <myk_robinson> hey, bsnider
[02:54] <bsnider> hey
[02:54] <myk_robinson> current topic?
[02:54] <bsnider> i've done too much peyote to pay attention
[02:54] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: dumb comments about "100% bug free"
[02:55] <myk_robinson> cool. Still having issues with my Intel 3945abg coming and going.. Take a look at my dmesg output:   http://pastebin.com/m1194cfee
[02:55] <Storrgie> what do you guys use for IRC?
[02:55] <myk_robinson> I tried using a different driver, but no luck in Intrepid.. Worked in hardy.. Hopefully this wifi will be fixed for real before final release drops
[02:55] <wastrel> irssi
[02:55] <bsnider> xchat
[02:56] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: no such thing. as long as human hands touch it, there will never be a perfect product
[02:56] <bsnider> that bloated piece of worthless garbage xchat
[02:56] <wastrel> i've been using ubuntu for a while now
[02:56] <myk_robinson> using Pidgin myself
[02:56] <myk_robinson> was using Konversation in KDE, but checking out Gnome stuff
[02:56] <Storrgie> can you get pidgin to remember the channles you like?
[02:57] <myk_robinson> never tried. I just type in to join this one
[02:57] <bsnider> pidgin does emoticons at least
[02:57] <myk_robinson> Konversation does it well, though
[02:57] <Storrgie> iwant to remember some... i dont remember little details well
[02:58] <myk_robinson> i know i have asked this here before, but not sure if i have ever spoken with any of you except bsnider, so here goes....
[02:58] <Storrgie> it does, add them like friends
[02:58] <myk_robinson> any of you got Intel 3945abg?
[02:59] <Storrgie> i might.... i have a dell precision m4300
[02:59] <wastrel> myk_robinson: i do
[02:59] <Storrgie> lspci?
[02:59] <Storrgie> how do i find out
[02:59] <myk_robinson> sudo lshw -C network
[02:59] <myk_robinson> wastrel: how is your performing?
[02:59] <wastrel> myk_robinson: it works... do you mean throughput?  stability?
[02:59] <myk_robinson> stability
[02:59] <bsnider> is there _any_ intel wifi that's working for anybody? huge numbers of people are complaining about it
[03:00] <leftyfb> lspci |grep -i net
[03:00] <wastrel> i've had a couple of networkmanager crashes
[03:00] <myk_robinson> just strange, some people report it works flawlessly..
[03:00] <Storrgie> PRO/Wireless 3945ABG [Golan] Network Connection
[03:00] <wastrel> it's not serious enough that it's been much of an inconvenience
[03:00] <bsnider> yeah, but Storrgie, you're having problems with it, no?
[03:00] <myk_robinson> this http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download worked perfect in Hardy
[03:00] <Storrgie> mine appears to be working... but i have not tested it with any other networks than this silly wep one
[03:01] <myk_robinson> but in Intrepid, installing that driver makes all wifi devies grayed out and unusable...
[03:01] <myk_robinson> on mine right now, but if you check my dmesg log, you can see it dropping and reconnecting constantly. Sometimes when it drops it causes the touchpad to lose sync for a few seconds
[03:01] <myk_robinson> just would love some feedback as to why the aforementioned driver craps out in Intrepid but worked fine before
[03:02] <Storrgie> dmesg?
[03:02] <myk_robinson> No errors at all upon compiling
[03:02] <Storrgie> /var/log/dmsg?
[03:02] <myk_robinson> no, just run the command "dmesg" in console
[03:02] <myk_robinson> !man
[03:02] <Volkodav> is there a FF 3.1 beta _64 ?
[03:02] <myk_robinson> !dmesg
[03:02] <Storrgie> yea i cat mine... its staying up
[03:02] <Storrgie> not doing what you describ
[03:02] <Storrgie> what security do you use?
[03:03] <myk_robinson> WPA
[03:03] <punzada> so does anyone know how to correctly kill/prevent gnome-panel from starting at startup? gnome-panel no longer appears to be listed under session for me to remove
[03:03] <myk_robinson> but the errors that I get have nothing to do with security.
[03:03] <Storrgie> i was using wpa at my house
[03:03] <myk_robinson> I get errors regarding SW Microcode, which I assume is the driver and firmware
[03:03] <Storrgie> it is dumping messages non stop to the log
[03:03] <myk_robinson> it does it on unencrypted networks too
[03:03] <bsnider> punzada, gnome-panel has to start. it's an integral part of gnome
[03:03] <Storrgie> the /var/log/syslog is just FULL of them
[03:04] <leftyfb> bsnider: http://www.google.com/search?q=ubuntu%20kill%20gnome-panel&hl=en
[03:04] <punzada> I didn't need it at all in 8.04 bsnider
[03:04] <myk_robinson> This is just frustrating because it worked FINE in hardy, so i assumed I could install that same good driver and get it working
[03:04] <punzada> leftyfb, none of them seem to apply in ibex which is why im asking here, gnome-panel is not listed in sessions for me to remove like last time.
[03:04] <teratoma> i have two displays, i dont think gnome-display-properties is working right, i can fiddler around with my display settings in Screen Resolution but it doesnt do anything
[03:04] <myk_robinson> coincidentally, in Hardy , it did the same thing before the driver installation from intellinuxwireless
[03:05] <webmaren> ..
[03:05] <punzada> I don't have a 'current session' tab in sessions, only startup and options
[03:05] <Storrgie> is there any other good linux/ubuntu channels to hang out in for learning?
[03:05] <webmaren> control panel won't accept new KDM themes
[03:06] <webmaren> is there a manual override?
[03:07] <myk_robinson> Storrgie: i just read the forums a lot
[03:07] <Storrgie> myk_robinson: but since i can add channels now... it would be nice to save a couple
[03:09] <Storrgie> anyone use avant window manager?
[03:09] <myk_robinson> me
[03:09] <Storrgie> like it?
[03:09] <myk_robinson> yup
[03:10] <Storrgie> is there anything i should know before installing it?
[03:10] <Storrgie> im scared
[03:10] <leftyfb> install from PPA
[03:11] <myk_robinson> its in the repository, nothing to fear.
[03:11] <bsnider> well, it _will_ destroy your hard drive
[03:11] <Storrgie> ppa?
[03:11] <myk_robinson> The default one in the repos is fine
[03:11] <Storrgie> haha bsnider nice
[03:11] <bsnider> and transmit your personal info to cia headwuarters
[03:11] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: the default one in the repo's has no applets
[03:11] <myk_robinson> as long as you have 3d and compix enabled
[03:11] <myk_robinson> i beg to differ
[03:11] <myk_robinson> i have them. I dont know what PPA is, so i assume i havent added it
[03:11] <myk_robinson> what is ppa?
[03:12] <bsnider> personal packaging archive
[03:12] <bsnider> !ppa
[03:12] <leftyfb> ah, intrepid has them
[03:12] <leftyfb> take that back
[03:12] <leftyfb> nm
[03:12] <Storrgie> im installing it... im scared
[03:12] <Storrgie> will it kill my bottom panel?
[03:12] <myk_robinson> Storrgie: what the heck are you scared of?
[03:12] <myk_robinson> I removed my bottom panel and replaced it with AWN
[03:12] <bsnider> Storrgie, no, but you should remove the bottom panel
[03:12] <Storrgie> i always break shit and have to format.. its kills me
[03:12] <myk_robinson> But you can have both simulatenously
[03:13] <Volkodav> anybody compiled/installed barry for _64 ?
[03:13] <Storrgie> if i remove the bottom panel.. is it easy to recover?
[03:13] <punzada> yup
[03:13] <punzada> I'm still trying to remove my top panel though :|
[03:13] <myk_robinson> take a look at mine:    http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshottl9.jpg
[03:13] <punzada> the new session setup in ibex is driving me nuts
[03:13] <Storrgie> im going to trust you with my life punzada
[03:14] <punzada> oo is that a new mac4lin myk_robinson ?
[03:14] <Storrgie> myk_robinson: why do u have 2 cpu freq?
[03:14] <punzada> looks good
[03:14] <myk_robinson> dual core. I run one for one core, one for the other
[03:14] <Storrgie> really?
[03:14] <leftyfb> http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8932/screenshotnp0.png
[03:14] <leftyfb> that's my desktop
[03:14] <punzada> hmm only bugs i've found so far is network manager acting a fool
[03:14] <leftyfb> running awn
[03:14] <myk_robinson> if you right click the app and choose preferences, you can select which cpu
[03:14] <punzada> figures ;x
[03:14] <bsnider> PPA for AWN: http://ppa.launchpad.net/reacocard-awn/ubuntu intrepid main
[03:14] <Storrgie> wait a second myk_robinson can u even do different freqs?
[03:15] <myk_robinson> that's sweet, leftyb, what is the app in the center of the screen?
[03:15] <Storrgie> you know you can do sudo dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets and control the freqs right?
[03:15] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: gnome-do
[03:16] <myk_robinson> how do you activate it?
[03:16] <myk_robinson> is it installed by default?
[03:16] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: install it from the repo's
[03:16] <myk_robinson> Storrgie: i can already control the frequiencies
[03:16] <leftyfb> that's also one where the PPA repo is better
[03:16] <tidrion> Storrgie: still haven't network issues?
[03:16] <myk_robinson> left click on the applet
[03:17] <tidrion> Storrgie: still having network issues
[03:17] <Storrgie> tidrion: yea on my 'server'
[03:17] <Storrgie> it makes me want to cry
[03:17] <tidrion> Storrgie: I just got mine resolved, installed, wicd for wireless
[03:17] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: what is the one for gnome-do?
[03:17] <tidrion> Storrgie: like server server ubuntu server?
[03:17] <myk_robinson> if i understand, there are several PPA repositories?
[03:17] <Storrgie> myk_robinson: can u tell one proc to work at a diff freq?
[03:17] <Storrgie> tidrion: yea
[03:17] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: http://www.google.com/search?q=gnome-do%20ppa&hl=en
[03:17] <myk_robinson> yes
[03:18] <bsnider> leftyfb, there's a gnome-do ppa that's better than RAOF's packages?
[03:19] <leftyfb> bsnider: I use the official PPA packages
[03:19] <leftyfb> I think his might be trunk
[03:19] <leftyfb> which i'm not about to rely on since I use do extensively
[03:19] <bsnider> works fine here
[03:20] <myk_robinson> so, if i understand, this is like svn but added to the repositories?
[03:20] <bsnider> it has nothing to do with subversion
[03:21] <Storrgie> so i dont really like awn as much
[03:21] <Storrgie> i dunno
[03:21] <myk_robinson> do the PPA versions typically run at higher version numbers than hwat is available through the regular repositories, or contain unofficla bug fixes or something?
[03:21] <bsnider> higher version numbers yes
[03:21] <bsnider> more buggy
[03:22] <myk_robinson> wonder if there is a PPA for a better intel driver :)
[03:23] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: at the risk of being told RTFM, i installed gnome-do.. now what?
[03:24] <myk_robinson> not finding how to launch the application
[03:24] <RAOF> myk_robinson: Applications->Accesories->GNOME Do?
[03:24] <keithclark> ok, back.  Rogers was down here in Ontario.
[03:24] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: http://do.davebsd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#I_want_it.21_How_do_I_get_it.2C_and_get_it_working.3F
[03:25] <myk_robinson> sorry, not used to menus, always been an Alt+F2 person
[03:25] <keithclark> leftyfb, now, you suggested something
[03:25] <myk_robinson> never thought to check the menu
[03:25] <leftyfb> http://do.davebsd.com/wiki/index.php?title=Using_Do
[03:25] <bsnider> keithclark, not in ottawa it wasn't
[03:25] <myk_robinson> thanks
[03:25] <leftyfb> keithclark: ?
[03:25] <RAOF> myk_robinson: Alt-F2 -> gnome-do would also work :)
[03:25] <keithclark> bsnider, well, here in Waterloo it was down.  On hold the whole time
[03:26] <myk_robinson> got it now, thank you
[03:26] <keithclark> leftyfb, no worries, I'm still left with my same probs....
[03:27]  * RAOF notes that Intrepid has the latest GNOME Do release.
[03:27] <Storrgie> what is the notes on flash with 8.10 x64?
[03:27] <leftyfb> RAOF: ah, that it does
[03:28] <leftyfb> RAOF: when did that happen?
[03:28] <RAOF> leftyfb: When we released 0.6.1 :)
[03:28] <RAOF> Storrgie: It works?
[03:28] <Storrgie> RAOF: does it?
[03:28] <Storrgie> RAOF: what do i install?
[03:29] <keithclark> Ok, this is obviously not going to work here........
[03:29] <leftyfb> keithclark: you downloaded the sources.list from the pastebin i gave you?
[03:29] <leftyfb> you have issues with your repositories that you need to fix
[03:30] <keithclark> No problem.....thanks.
[03:30] <leftyfb> no problem? you fixed it?
[03:30] <keithclark> No, just giving up here
[03:31] <keithclark> Too much trouble for a stock system Hp a1211n
[03:31] <myk_robinson> definitely liking gnome-do
[03:31] <myk_robinson> reminds me of krunner in kde
[03:32] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: you got any other recommended apps?
[03:33] <leftyfb> awn and gnome-do
[03:33] <leftyfb> my 2 fav apps
[03:33] <leftyfb> gnome-do being my fav OSS app
[03:33] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: what icon them are you using?
[03:33] <myk_robinson> i currently have Mac4Lin, but like your icons a lot
[03:34] <leftyfb> "back-white 2 Style"
[03:34] <leftyfb> "black-white 2 Style"
[03:36] <myk_robinson> is there a way to make gnome-screen shot save as .jpg by default instead of .png?
[03:36] <keithclark> hmm....maybe another distro will work....let me try
[03:36] <leftyfb> keithclark: that has nothing to do with it
[03:37] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: i am unable to make gnome-do open urls like the website says. I have checked plugins and dont see that anything is missing... any advice?
[03:38] <leftyfb> myk_robinson: you need to enable the firefox plugin ... and wait ... till it updates it's database
[03:39] <RAOF> leftyfb: Which will be immediately :)
[03:39] <myk_robinson> no luck. What version you got? 0.6.1 here
[03:39] <RAOF> myk_robinson: In what way "Open URLs"?  You mean, type "google.com" and have "Open URL" appear in the action pane?
[03:40] <myk_robinson> yeah, doesnt happen for me
[03:41] <crashsystems> Dual monitors works for the first time ever on my laptop, now that I've upgraded to 8.10. However, it does cause compiz to crash. Anyone have an idea why that might be?
[03:54] <bsnider> myk_robinson, that happens here fine
[03:54] <myk_robinson> perhaps i need the ppa in this cas :)
[03:55] <bsnider> myk_robinson, the official one works fine
[03:55] <myk_robinson> the weather applet in awn is pretty cool. I like the forecast fanout
[03:55] <bsnider> i can tell you which plugins i have enabled
[03:55] <myk_robinson> bsnider: now plugin needed?
[03:55] <myk_robinson> oh, go ahead
[03:56] <myk_robinson> nevermind, i see it now. I have to tab then press down
[03:56] <bsnider> firefox, dictionary, session management, terminal
[03:56] <myk_robinson> just didnt know how to use it i guess
[03:56] <myk_robinson> how do you use the terminal plugin? for example, i type in dmesg, but dont see how to make it run in terminal
[03:57] <bsnider> there's a google video explaining it
[03:57] <myk_robinson> nvr, got ahead of my self.. Guess it just takes a minute to learn this app.. dmesg brings up pidgin.... but if i press down, then tab, open in terminal shows
[03:57] <pi-meson> is there a nightly build of the ibex install cd?
[03:58] <myk_robinson> thanks for all the tips, guys. gotta go spend some time with the mrs.  good night
[03:58] <crashsystems> has awn improved much with 8.10?
[04:00] <bsnider> pi-meson, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081016/
[04:01] <pi-meson> bsnider: thanks, just got a new laptop and am _giddy_ to try it
[04:01] <keithclark> leftyfb, no problems here...I will try another distro and check back.
[04:02] <bsnider> pi-meson, i guess you weren't happy with the included operating system?
[04:02] <leftyfb> keithclark: that has nothing to do with the problem
[04:02] <leftyfb> you have a broken install
[04:02] <leftyfb> fix it and you'll be fine. Reinstall ubuntu and you'll be finer
[04:02] <pi-meson> bsnider: lenovo had a no-OS option for this model
[04:02] <leftyfb> fine
[04:02] <keithclark> leftyfb, ok.....not a problem.
[04:02] <bsnider> pi-meson, did you still have to pay the microsoft tax?
[04:03] <pi-meson> bsnider: i'm not entirely sure; it was _cheaper_ than all of the options with windows, and the "add-on" price for the cheapest windows was like $40. So at the very least, I saved some money
[04:03] <keithclark> leftyfb, but maybe another distro will support my hardware better.   Although I think it is quite common.
[04:04] <leftyfb> keithclark: it has nothing to do with your hardware
[04:04] <leftyfb> keithclark: do whatever you want. Good luck
[04:04] <keithclark> leftyfb, let me try mint
[04:05] <leftyfb> keithclark: mint based off of ubuntu
[04:05] <leftyfb> again, do whatever you want
[04:05] <bsnider> they all use the same kernel
[04:05] <keithclark> leftyfb, sure, let me try
[04:05] <klaxian> hello.  any ideas why my wireless card is no longer picked up after today's updates?
[04:05] <keithclark> this did not work
[04:05] <keithclark> how can I go wrong?
[04:05] <leftyfb> no, you did not work
[04:05] <klaxian> seems the driver is loaded but network manager will not connect to any wireless network and the wireless option doesn't show
[04:05] <bsnider> what didn't work?
[04:06] <leftyfb> you broke something in your repositories and now you don't want to bother fixing it. So now you assume you'll have better luck not breaking another distro which I doubt.
[04:06] <keithclark> leftyfb, ok, thanks
[04:06] <crashsystems> did you make sure that linux-firmware is still installed?
[04:07] <bsnider> repositories are defined by one file. he can't just replace one file?
[04:08] <leftyfb> he's having some issues which he won't take the time to follow direction to try and fix
[04:08] <leftyfb> i'm done helping him
[04:08] <keithclark> leftyfb, sorry.  Your help was awesome.
[04:08] <FFEMTcJ> I installed 8.10 on a test machine.. The internet isn't working automatically.. Saying no network devices are available. Running hardware test it detects the NIC.. any idea why it isnt detecting it and how to fix?
[04:09] <klaxian> FFEMTcJ: my wireless stopped working today on intrepid.  maybe it's a similar issue
[04:09] <FFEMTcJ> I was on 8.04 immediatly before i installed 8.10 on the same machine and the internet worked
[04:09] <crashsystems> what nic does the box have?
[04:09] <FFEMTcJ> klaxian: it isnt wirelss
[04:09] <FFEMTcJ> wireless
[04:09] <FFEMTcJ> its an intel
[04:09] <FFEMTcJ> h/o
[04:09] <klaxian> FFEMTcJ: my wireless card is intel too.  perhaps it's not related
[04:10] <klaxian> anyone else lose wireless support after today's updates?
[04:10] <crashsystems> @klaxian did you check to see if linux-firmware is installed?
[04:10] <FFEMTcJ> intel 82562v-2 10/100
[04:10] <bsnider> is intel wifi working for _anyone_ right now...
[04:10] <klaxian> crashsystems: oh sorry, i didn't think that message was for me :)  it wasn't installed actually.  perhaps it got removed somehow?
[04:10] <crashsystems> that happened to me recently. once I installed it, wifi was back
[04:11] <klaxian> crashsystems: interesting.  should i restart?  or restart nm at least?
[04:11] <crashsystems> probably, or "sudo /etc/init.d/hal restart" I think might do it
[04:11] <klaxian> ok
[04:11] <crashsystems> reboot would be the safe bet
[04:12] <joshual> is this channel only for beta questions?
[04:12] <crashsystems> I think so joshual
[04:12] <klaxian> crashsystems: hal restart didn't seem to help.  i will reboot and try again :)
[04:12] <klaxian> brb
[04:12] <crashsystems> ok
[04:12] <FFEMTcJ> any idea why my wired connection wouldnt be working?
[04:13] <crashsystems> is it an intel gigabit card?
[04:13] <joshual> ah bugger, there really needs to be a new ubuntu channel for released ubuntu... #ubuntu is way too populated and often very difficult to get help because of the amount of traffic
[04:13] <crashsystems> I agree
[04:14] <crashsystems> joshual, are you British?
[04:15] <joshual> crashsystems: nope US/Brazil
[04:15] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[04:15] <joshual> i also think that Ubuntu should drop all the Kubuntu, Xubuntu, etc... for just "Ubuntu KDE" and "Ubuntu XFCE" etc
[04:16] <crashsystems> it would certainly make things easier to pronounce.
[04:16] <joshual> hehe
[04:16] <crashsystems> so how did it go klaxian?
[04:17] <After_Math-747> Is Ubuntu more stable then Kubuntu, becuse kubuntu is very unstable
[04:17] <After_Math-747> adn graphically not so good
[04:18] <crashsystems> @After_Math-747 I wouldn't know, though I hear that the newest KDE still has some bugs.
[04:18] <FFEMTcJ> so noone has any ideas about not connecting to the net?
[04:19] <After_Math-747> crashsystems, ya it seems that kde does, Im going to try ubuntu
[04:20] <mneptok> After_Math-747: if you want stable, don;t run a prerelease.
[04:20] <crashsystems> @FFEMTcJ As I said before, is it an intel gigabit ethernet card?
[04:20] <mneptok> After_Math-747: i would think this would be self-evident
[04:20] <bsnider> kde4 works great if you use mandriva, since it's their specialty. canonical's specialty is gnome
[04:20] <FFEMTcJ> crashsystems: 23:10 < FFEMTcJ> intel 82562v-2 10/100
[04:20] <After_Math-747> mneptok, that was not my question. I was wondering which one was MORE stable
[04:20] <crashsystems> ah, ok
[04:21] <After_Math-747> :)
[04:21] <mneptok> After_Math-747: they are equally stable
[04:21] <mneptok> After_Math-747: you know, if you're running the release, supported version
[04:22] <After_Math-747> mneptok, well you can't say for 100% they are equally stable, they both use different window managers
[04:22] <crashsystems> @FFEMTcJ It might not be worth it, but you may as well also check to make sure that linux-firmware is installed on your system.
[04:22] <mneptok> After_Math-747: then your question is not about Ubuntu vs. Kubuntu, but GNOME vs. KDE
[04:23] <FFEMTcJ> crashsystems: im sorry.. i dont know how to do that. :-(
[04:23] <crashsystems> sudo apt-get install linux-firmware
[04:24] <After_Math-747> more or less yes mneptok , but that is in my question, because Kubuntu is with KDE, and Ubuntu is with Gnome :)
[04:25] <crashsystems> @FFEMTcJ Or do you mean that you don't have any network access with the box, so no way to use apt-get?
[04:25] <joshual> there posted two new forum threads :)
[04:26] <FFEMTcJ> crashsystems: yes.. no network access.. so no apt-get
[04:27] <crashsystems> In that case, check out http://keryx.betaserver.org/
[04:27] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, what wireless card do you have?
[04:28] <FFEMTcJ> After_Math-747: not wireless
[04:29] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, then how come you have no network access?
[04:29] <FFEMTcJ> dont know
[04:29] <FFEMTcJ> thats why im here
[04:29] <After_Math-747> lol
[04:29] <After_Math-747> you have two different comps
[04:29] <FFEMTcJ> says no network connections
[04:29] <FFEMTcJ> 4 to be exact
[04:29] <After_Math-747> o.0
[04:29] <After_Math-747> that is strang
[04:30] <After_Math-747> strange
[04:30] <After_Math-747> does you computer regonize the card?
[04:30] <FFEMTcJ> After_Math-747: running hardware test yes
[04:30] <After_Math-747> what about typing ifconfig
[04:31] <FFEMTcJ> theres an lo
[04:31] <FFEMTcJ> but no eth0
[04:31] <After_Math-747> ok
[04:31] <After_Math-747> so your drivers are not installed
[04:31] <Oric> i can't log in X window,8.10 doesn't work well with ati drivers,what should i do to log in X window?
[04:31] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, was it regonized when using the livecd?
[04:31] <crashsystems> I think there needs to be a linux network interfaces named "lol"
[04:32] <After_Math-747> lol
[04:32] <FFEMTcJ> didnt run live.. just installed
[04:32] <Oric> any way to uninstall ati drivers in cmd line?
[04:32] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, you might want to try the livecd to make sure that your install is not the problem
[04:32] <FFEMTcJ> check... rebooting npw
[04:32] <FFEMTcJ> now
[04:33] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, also, do you know what card it is?
[04:33] <FFEMTcJ> crashsystems: 23:10 < FFEMTcJ> intel 82562v-2 10/100
[04:33] <Oric> cwillu: u there?
[04:33] <After_Math-747> very strange to hear that a ethernet card is not working
[04:33] <Oric> cwillu: :)
[04:33] <FFEMTcJ> si
[04:34] <FFEMTcJ> Oric: do a search for ati and see if what you need comes up?
[04:34] <crashsystems> fglrx?
[04:34] <FFEMTcJ> to quote someone in #ubuntu the other day.. my computer is too new for ubuntu to support it... jk
[04:34] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: yeah
[04:34] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: i can't log in X window
[04:35] <FFEMTcJ> your at $?
[04:35] <Oric> terminal lines
[04:35] <Oric> :)
[04:35] <FFEMTcJ> aptitude search ati
[04:35] <FFEMTcJ> After_Math-747: negative on the live cd
[04:36] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: do that now
[04:36] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, I see, there is a bug with the beta and your card I just read. Can you see the card with 'lspci'?
[04:37] <FFEMTcJ> y
[04:37] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: too many results
[04:37] <crashsystems> does anyone know if the debs for OpenOffice 3 released on the ooo website differ in any way from what is packaged with ubuntu (other than version number)?
[04:37] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/263555   you might be out of luck till the final release
[04:37] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: what should i do after aptifude
[04:38] <bsnider> that bug was fixed
[04:38] <crashsystems> so he would just need to upgrade the kernel?
[04:38] <FFEMTcJ> Oric: if you find the driver that you need then sudo aptitude install <driver name>
[04:38] <After_Math-747> bsnider, oh it was?
[04:39] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: what do "aptitude install" do? uninstall the drivers?
[04:39] <After_Math-747> I was unaware, this was the first link I have been to so far
[04:39] <mneptok> FFEMTcJ: you *could* just try running a supported, non-beta release.
[04:39] <bsnider> it says "fix released"
[04:39] <bsnider> it was fixed in the rc9 kernel last week
[04:39] <After_Math-747> bsnider, you got the link?
[04:39] <After_Math-747> oh
[04:39] <FFEMTcJ> Oric: based upon the install part.. what do you think it would do?
[04:40] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, when did you download the iso
[04:40] <Oric> FFEMTcJ: finished.get next setp?
[04:41] <FFEMTcJ> After_Math-747: a few days ago
[04:41] <FFEMTcJ> does the beta iso get updated?
[04:43] <Oric> reboot
[04:45] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, I dont know I cant seem to find anything talking about a fix so far, and bsnider hasnt said anything
[04:45] <bsnider> bug 263555
[04:46] <bsnider> read the last 2 words
[04:46] <bsnider> FIX RELEASED
[04:46] <After_Math-747> :)
[04:47] <FFEMTcJ> how do i get the fix?
[04:48] <bsnider> download today's livecd
[04:48] <bsnider> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081016/
[04:49] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, be careful though, It said in the thread there is a possibility of even DESTROYING you HARDWARE ;/
[04:49] <After_Math-747> Im sure the new fixed iso is fine
[04:49] <bsnider> that.bug.was.fixed.
[04:49] <crashsystems> the driver was disabled in the kernel until the fix was applied
[04:49] <bsnider> linus _would not_ release a kernel that could wipe out a gigabit chip
[04:50] <crashsystems> linux has a blog now
[04:50] <crashsystems> linus*
[04:50] <mneptok> bsnider: unless he didn't know it could
[04:51] <bsnider> guuhhh
[04:51] <crashsystems> linus is omniscient
[04:51] <mneptok> crashsystems: untrue. if he were, he'd have anticipated my needs and be giving me a massage
[04:51] <bsnider> the only reasont here was an rc9 kernel was to test that bugfix. the patch was applied and tested. it will not destroy your gigabit chip
[04:52] <crashsystems> I'm trying to get the newest version of deluge to work on 8.10, but with no luck
[04:53] <bsnider> crashsystems, you mean a version that's not in the official repository?
[04:53] <Volkodav> I had troubles with deluge too
[04:53] <crashsystems> yep
[04:53] <mneptok> crashsystems: why would you do that?
[04:54] <bsnider> i've heard that even the deluge people are recommending against that. it kills you internet connection
[04:54] <crashsystems> because it is much better than the repo version. nice new software smell too
[04:54] <crashsystems> I used it on 8.04 just fine
[04:54] <mneptok> crashsystems: so then solving dependency issues when building the source should be no problem for you.
[04:54] <After_Math-747> bsnider, now it wont
[04:55] <After_Math-747> crashsystems, lol "nice new software small too" :)
[04:55] <crashsystems> just solved it by downloading the version marked "intrepid" on the deluge home page :D
[04:56] <crashsystems> smells good indeed
[04:56] <After_Math-747> I mean, can Ubuntu get any better
[04:56] <After_Math-747> cmon
[04:56] <asdfkk> hi are there any plans to integrate a more easy to use apparmor configuration utility for ubuntu 8.10 ?
[04:56] <After_Math-747> this is the greatest thing since cut bread
[04:57] <asdfkk> After_Math-747: i find 8.10 to be rather buggy vs the hardy beta.
[04:57] <asdfkk> (8.10 beta)
[04:57] <After_Math-747> asdfkk, ah, I never tried the hardy beta
[04:57] <After_Math-747> first time ever with a beta version
[04:58] <After_Math-747> So far Kubuntu has been really buggy for me. I am downloading Ubuntu now to see if its just the windows managers
[04:58] <asdfkk> you could sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop or just gnome....
[04:59] <bsnider> we're a lot closer to rc1 than beta at this point
[04:59] <After_Math-747> asdfkk, ya I know I tried doing that with Fluxbox, but it froze up while downloading, I dont know , but it was really buggy so I rather have a fresh new .iso
[05:01] <asdfkk> bsnider: wait... what ? alpha beta then rc ?
[05:01] <bsnider> i don't understand that question
[05:02] <bsnider> if that was a question
[05:02] <asdfkk> what is the order. alpha beta rc ...
[05:02] <bsnider> alpha, beta, rc, final
[05:02] <bsnider> rc1 is 6 days away. beta was 2 weeks ago
[05:02] <After_Math-747> what is rc?
[05:02] <bsnider> release candidate
[05:02] <After_Math-747> ah
[05:03] <asdfkk> bsnider: i don't think its ready for an rc.
[05:03] <bronzewalla84> i'm trying to play music over a network that's stored on my desktop, and can play mp3's fine in totem, but not in amarok, anyone know what could be causing this?
[05:03] <bsnider> it will be in 6 days
[05:03] <Tails5> Hi, would anyone know how to run the internet connection in the terminal? When I do ifup eth0 it says "Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0"
[05:04] <bsnider> most of the peoblems people are having are because they downlaoded hte beta cd instead of a more recent daily-live build
[05:04] <asdfkk> bsnider: i will try it out again in my vm. later.
[05:05] <After_Math-747> bsnider, but why not replace the beta with the newly updated, would be better for bugs no?
[05:05] <bsnider> After_Math-747, you're preaching to the choir
[05:06] <After_Math-747> lol
[05:17] <FFEMTcJ> After_Math-747 and bsnider new livecd inet works.. ty
[05:17] <bsnider> of course it does, because for the 47th time, the bug was fixes
[05:18] <FFEMTcJ> i didnt know that i could dl todays copy.. thats why i didnt know i could fix it
[05:18] <bsnider> well, ubuntu needs to be more up front about that, to be sure
[05:19] <After_Math-747> FFEMTcJ, I myself didnt know there were daily updates :) but Im glad to hear it works now :)
[05:19] <FFEMTcJ> I would have thought that on the beta dl page at the bottom it would say if you want to download the most current version.. just like most web development stuff has that
[05:19] <FFEMTcJ> with bleeding edge type svn stuffs
[05:20] <After_Math-747> seriously
[05:21] <bsnider> you could also have done more homework before downloading the beta, couldn't you?
[05:22] <After_Math-747> shouldnt have to
[05:23] <After_Math-747> its like saying, ok , let me check every peice of hw i got so it works with the beta..
[05:23] <bsnider> hardly anybody uses subversion. they use git and bazaar
[05:23] <bsnider> what's wrong with that?
[05:24] <FFEMTcJ> i use svn
[05:24] <FFEMTcJ> the software i use uses svn
[05:29] <Some_Person> Will usplash in Intrepid be able to appear not stretched at 1280x800?
[05:47] <hackel> Since I upgraded to Intrepid, my external USB2 HD is really slow...copying under 900 KB/s.  Any idea what might be going on?
[05:51] <td123> well, if you have a ton of small files, that could be the problem
[06:01] <hackel> td123, I'm just testing the raw transfer speed with ddrescue.  It used to get around 5M/sec (before I upgraded), and even that was really slow, but now I can't even get that.
[06:03] <td123> hackel: did you check bug reports or online? I don't know what to tell you..
[06:04] <td123> hackel: don't get worried though, beta = bugs :D and everything "works", it probably isn't optimized.
[06:05] <hackel> td123, I'm not worried, I just want to debug the problem.  I've found a few similar issues out there.
[06:05] <d-b> you could try rsync.
[06:06] <hackel> d-b, this is a hardware issue, that own't help at all.
[06:09] <d-b> really ?
[06:09] <hackel> It seems the problem is that it's using uhci_hcd instead of ehci_hcd for some reason.
[06:10] <hackel> Now I'm getting 25M/s as expected...just need to figure out why it's doing this.
[06:14] <td123> hackel: nice
[06:15] <td123> hackel: you should post to the beta page that this is a caveat..;
[06:20] <travisivart> does the ubuntu beta iso have that bug that fries your wireless adapter?  Should i be using dailies?
[06:21] <d-b> travisivart: does ubuntu now have a command line version of debian's reportbug .... that goes to ubuntu.
[06:22] <travisivart> i have no idea... sorry...
[06:22] <bronzewalla84> i have a sound issue in intrepid, when i plug headphones into the headphone, it continues to play through the speakers
[06:22] <d-b> bronzewalla84: does it automatically switch in hardy?
[06:22] <bronzewalla84> i believe so
[06:23] <bronzewalla84> this laptop never had hardy on it, so not really sure
[06:23] <d-b> bronzewalla84: does windows / did it ?
[06:23] <bronzewalla84> yes, it does
[06:24] <d-b> ubuntu might be ignoring the interupt /event then.
[06:24] <bronzewalla84> would it be possible to write a small script to handle this?
[06:25] <dfgas> when are release canidates coming out?
[06:25] <bronzewalla84> 6 days
[06:25] <dfgas> i can't find timeline right now
[06:25] <bronzewalla84> rr, it's past midnight, 5 days
[06:25] <dfgas> hmmm
[06:26] <bronzewalla84> ubuntu.com has a ticker on the top of the page
[06:26] <dfgas> i am almost thinking about just upgrading now to beta
[06:39] <theBishop> I don't know what they did, but some update yesterday brought a ton of bugs into Firefox
[06:39] <theBishop> it's crashing constantly
[06:42] <td123> theBishop: you could just use a different browser until they have it fixed, like opera
[06:42] <dfgas> is opera free in linux?
[06:42] <dfgas> no ads or anything
[06:42] <theBishop> no thanks
[06:42] <theBishop> i'd rather use Epiphany
[06:44] <td123> dfgas: ya
[06:44] <td123> theBishop: its your choice... although opera is more mature :D
[06:45] <theBishop> td123, but less source code
[06:54] <d-b> right so lets use the non-free browser.
[06:54] <d-b> td123: when you give me the source code to opera i might consider it.
[06:55] <td123> d-b: ... you obviously don't know how much proprietary things there is on ubuntu...
[06:56] <td123> theBishop: that goes to you too :P
[06:56] <d-b> td123: there is only non-free firmware provided so that drivers can be supplied to people. in ubuntu main there is nothing non-free
[06:57] <td123> d-b: flash isn't free... java isn't free. (licensing)
[06:57] <d-b> its not in ubuntu main
[06:57] <td123> d-b: .. nobody installs just from main
[06:58] <d-b> td123: cough cough.
[06:58] <d-b> i use gnash / swf-dec and openjdk
[06:59] <td123> d-b: that tells me that you take open source over quality, which isn't necessarily a good thing :)
[06:59] <d-b> td123: what ?
[07:00] <d-b> seen the recent security bugs in adobe flash ? ... sun's java openjdk is just older than their current version and more free. its not that different.
[07:01] <td123> d-b: did you also see the release of flash 10?
[07:01] <d-b> and...
[07:01] <td123> d-b: flash 7 isn't fully implemented in gnash I think...
[07:02] <d-b> gnash support the sites i go to. youtube works.
[07:02] <td123> d-b: touche :D
[07:02] <d-b> td123: this is not a quality vs open source debate. don't tell me that a piece of software is of lower quality because it can do less things. that is a feature debate.
[07:03] <td123> d-b: no, I'm trying to reason why you pick gnash over flash
[07:03] <td123> no debating
[07:03] <td123> ish
[07:03] <d-b> you can't say gnash is of lower quality. you can say it has less features.
[07:04] <d-b> unless you test both on the same features vs each other.
[07:04] <td123> d-b: well, we don't know that since adobe flash isn't open source
[07:05] <td123> d-b: anyways, codecs seem to be another problem in linux, especially for youtube
[07:05]  * cwillu hasn't had youtube problems in years
[07:05] <d-b> td123: not really. they work for me.
[07:05]  * d-b agrees
[07:05] <td123> d-b: did you compare a youtube video played on linux with one that is played on windows? you'll see a difference
[07:06] <cwillu> I've got a folder full of flv files that play fine
[07:06] <d-b> td123: what do you mean.
[07:06] <d-b> i have done so. cpu is maxed out on both for big videos etc.
[07:06] <d-b> if you don't want to believe me go to abc iview --> you have to be in australia if you are not find another large video platform done in flash and test it your self.
[07:06] <d-b> both use nearly 100% cpu.
[07:07] <cwillu> next time Oric comes in, could somebody tell him that I'm not paid staff, and I'll help people out in whatever support channel when I'm in the mood, and not when he demands my help? :(
[07:07] <td123> g'night, I'm off to bed
[07:07] <d-b> cwillu: damn. so you dont accept bribes ?
[07:08] <cwillu> d-b, that would make me paid staff.  Which I'd have little or no objection to, but unless you're offering... :p
[07:08] <d-b> but you wouldn't be paid ubuntu staff would you ?
[07:08] <cwillu> depend who bribed me, no?
[07:09] <cwillu> d-b, Oric had upgraded to intrepid, but didn't have 2.6.27 installed.  As it turns out, he had edgy, feisty, gutsy and hardy repos all active
[07:09] <cwillu> hilarity ensued :p
[07:09] <d-b> cwillu: LULZ
[07:10] <d-b> cwillu: i want to do enought to become helpful within ubuntu tho. its slightly harder because i use debian as my primary os.
[07:10] <cwillu> (rebooting)
[07:11] <cwillu_remote> so do I, and so I spend lots of my time finding answers rather than telling people to google :)
[07:11] <cwillu_remote> but none-the-less, I don't like the demanding attitude :p
[07:12]  * cwillu_remote wonders which splash screen will come up now
[07:12] <cwillu_remote> I've had mythbuntu showing up on my desktop since the upgrade to hardy :p
[07:13]  * cwillu_remote refuses to regret installing xubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and mythbuntu-desktop :p
[07:14]  * cwillu_remote misses 2.6.17-ck1 :(
[07:14] <cwillu_remote> the worst point of the Scheduler Wars, and the high point of swap-prefetch
[07:14]  * cwillu_remote reminisces
[07:22] <Ayabara> is oo3 in the repos=
[07:22] <Ayabara> ?
[07:24] <cwillu_remote> !info openoffice-writer
[07:24] <cwillu_remote> !info openoffice.org
[07:25] <Ayabara> cwillu_remote: thanks. so if I install this I will have 2 and 3 side by side?
[07:27] <cwillu_remote> install it how?
[07:29] <Ayabara> cwillu_remote: apt-get install openoffice.org gives me a bunch of packages, and I figured that was v3 since v2 was already installed on my system
[07:31] <cwillu_remote> openoffice.org just installs some extra packages
[07:31] <cwillu_remote> (i.e., complete install, rather than ubuntu's default install)
[07:32] <Ayabara> cwillu_remote: ah. so http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2008/10/14/install-openofficeorg-30-in-ubuntu-804-and-810/ is what I must do I guess
[07:37] <cypherdelic> wohoo rumble in the jungle, is today final freeze?
[07:38] <cwillu_remote> Ayabara, I'd suppose so
[07:40] <cypherdelic> well i assume a new gamepad attached but not touched should not have an axis permanently scrolling, so that my whole input even with mouse is nearly broke and that this is NOT an intrepid bug but the gamepad is broke, right???
[07:41] <cwillu_remote> Ayabara, I'm not convinced that ubuntu's is actually that far out of date though
[07:41] <cwillu_remote> (ubuntu's openoffice isn't openoffice.org, but a mild fork.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if 3.0 was mostly catchup to what we already have)
[07:42] <cypherdelic> dont buy trust dual stick gamepad pc & ps2 ;)
[07:42] <cypherdelic> gm-1520
[07:43] <cwillu_remote> Ayabara, readonly openxml support for instance has been in ubuntu's openoffice since gutsy I think (maybe hardy)
[07:45] <Ayabara> cwillu_remote: ok. I'll stick with the official. I'm just a sucker for new releases :)
[07:47]  * cwillu_remote points Ayabara at the firefox 3.1 beta :p
[07:49]  * Ayabara takes the bait
[07:49] <cwillu_remote> Yay!  Xorg is broken!
[07:49] <cwillu_remote> it's been months since I've had to fiddle with nvidia, I was getting antsy :)
[07:50] <Ayabara> cwillu_remote: is ff3.1b in the repos?
[07:50] <cwillu_remote> nope
[07:51] <cwillu_remote> there's probably a deb somewhere, although you're probably best off downloading their binary, and just running it from your home directory
[07:53] <Ayabara> cwillu_remote: will it use my .mozilla/firefox dir?
[07:53] <cwillu_remote> yes
[07:53] <Ayabara> great
[07:53] <cwillu_remote> I don't think it's likely to break stuff (the formats are backwards compatible), but you may want to backup the profile
[07:53] <cwillu_remote> or work with a new profile (/path/to/new/firefox -P)
[07:55] <MM2> I upgraded ubuntu+1 yesterday and it made my usb-keyboard usable
[07:55] <level1> hi, where is the best place to discuss a kde 4 replated problem that I have? (on intrepid of course)
[07:56] <level1> MM2: congrats?
[07:57] <MM2> level1: no, because I can not use my usb-keyboard now
[07:57] <MM2> or ever mouse
[07:57] <level1> MM2: you said usuable; you must have meant unusabel
[07:57] <MM2> them worked before I did yesterdays updates to ubuntu+1
[07:57] <level1> MM2: are you able to run a command on this box?
[07:57] <MM2> ... bad unglish... :/
[07:57] <level1> MM2: if you can, run "lsusb" (i think)
[07:57] <MM2> I plugged in PS/2 keyboard
[07:58] <MM2> if finds my HP wireless kbd and mouse
[07:58] <MM2> lsusb that is
[07:58] <level1> but they don't work?
[07:58] <level1> mmm
[07:59] <MM2> jikes...
[07:59] <MM2> now them work
[07:59] <MM2> but in login screen them didn't work
[07:59] <level1> interesting
[07:59] <MM2> I reboot and test again
[08:05] <MM2> level1: and now USB kbd is working fine...
[08:06] <level1> magic!
[08:06] <MM2> that is that :)
[08:07] <MM2> I remember same problems with some older release of Ubuntu too
[08:08] <MM2> USB keyboard alone didn't work, but if there was also plugged in PS/2 kbd, then usb kbd worked also
[08:08] <level1> weird
[08:08] <level1> I hate the PS/2 standard
[08:09] <vwracer69>  Have a quick question? Does anyone else have a problem with booting Ubuntu 8.10 kernel 2.6.27-7 with there cdrom drive closed? and if so if there is a fix/workaround for it?
[08:15] <blanktheserver> Hey, I'm wondering if there is a way to manually set the driver to use ( for onboard wifi )
[08:16] <christian> Hello there! I have a bug concerning OpenOffice not saving to a samba share. I have filed a bug report some days ago but never re4ceived a response
[08:16] <blanktheserver> The one which comes with ubuntu is bugged for my intel n card, and it needs the iwl4965
[08:19] <blanktheserver> I'm not sure if the driver is simply not installed, or it's using the wrong one.
[08:19] <romeo> i wanted to know if there is a easyer way to go from normal 8.10 beta to 8.10 studio beta
[08:21] <christian> It's a pretty serious issue, basically the only one I can find in Ubuntu 8.10. I have detailed the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/279789
[08:21] <christian> yep
[08:22] <christian> I can reproduce this on two computers running Intrepid. The share is OK, I use it everyday with Hardy
[08:22] <christian> Might be that this is not an OOo issue, but some kind gvfs thing (totally out of the blue)
[08:31] <christian> i just tested it. the behaviour is still the same, just as dscribed in the bug. Interesting that there is a difference between mounting the share via "Places" - "Connect to Server" and mounting it with my fstab-entry...
[08:39] <christian> can someone here work this out with me? all you need is two computers, one running an SMB server, the other running intrepid
[08:41] <bugabundo_work> christian: so what the prob?
[08:41] <christian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/279789
[08:42] <bugabundo_work> humm
[08:42] <bugabundo_work> I can...
[08:42] <christian> It's detailed there. When I want to write to my samba share (Etch), Intrepid fails. OpenOffice, but also Gedit, depending on how I mount
[08:42] <bugabundo_work> I do it all the time
[08:42] <bugabundo_work> let me read the ticket
[08:46] <petererer> hmm
[08:47] <petererer> in 8.10, X has decided my joystick is an input device
[08:50] <Reed_Solomon> yes
[08:50] <Reed_Solomon> is that still happening
[08:51] <Reed_Solomon> i havent tested it, but yeah, it kills X if i use my joystick
[08:51] <petererer> it kills X if i press a button
[08:51] <Reed_Solomon> yeah
[08:51] <Reed_Solomon> its a shame its not fixed yet
[08:51] <Reed_Solomon> youd think so, im pretty sure theres a bug about it
[08:51] <Reed_Solomon> filed already
[08:52] <Reed_Solomon> anyways, it sucks, but what can you do
[08:52] <Reed_Solomon> good night :)
[08:52] <petererer> 280069, 283081, 283082
[08:54] <petererer> hehe
[08:54] <petererer> 274203 says it was fixed an hour ago :D
[08:58] <petererer> hmm, although looks like a fix for the buttons crashing, rather than a fix for joysticks controlling the pointer
[08:59] <christian> so, bugabundo, what do you think?
[09:01] <cwillu_remote> christian, use nautilus to access shares if at all possible
[09:02] <cwillu_remote> (i.e., the gnome mounts, not /etc/fstab mounts)
[09:02] <cwillu_remote> christian, non-gnome apps can still access gnome mounts via gvfs (the mounts show up in ~/.gvfs/)
[09:03] <christian> ok, default behaviuor should be nautilus and not fstab. fine for me. I'll try that right now...
[09:03] <cwillu_remote> christian, the problem is that most networked filesystems don't have the same semantics as regular local filesystems
[09:03] <cwillu_remote> christian, and so there will always be breakage from apps that make full use of how unix filesystems are supposed to work
[09:04] <cwillu_remote> christian, the relevant bug is bug #34813
[09:05] <cwillu_remote> christian, unfortunately, most of the commenters there aren't paying attention to the underlying issue, and so they keep griping about irrelevant things :p
[09:05] <christian> i see
[09:05] <christian> i'll check that bug
[09:05] <christian> gimme a sec
[09:05] <cwillu_remote> christian, but ya, use nautilus mounts, and you'll stop caring about that bug :)
[09:06] <cwillu_remote> (it's specifically about sshfs via fuse, but it's the same problem as smb mounts:  those filesystems are really just hacks)
[09:06] <cwillu_remote> as is any network filesystem, really
[09:07] <cwillu_remote> ('filesystem' meaning 'pretending that you can treat a remote folder as if it were local')
[09:07] <christian> ok, really, that works, i see. Strange, that OOo works right now.
[09:08] <cwillu_remote> oo has a bunch of really ugly hacks that only cover up the surface problems
[09:08] <cwillu_remote> that's where most of the confusion on that bug report comes from:
[09:08] <christian> yeah
[09:08] <cwillu_remote> the behaviour required to make the error messages go away also makes 'saving a file' potentially unsafe
[09:09] <cwillu_remote> (you could both silently fail to save the file, and clobber the existing file)
[09:10] <christian> so, no more /etc/fstab entry with cifs. Nautilus all the way. And I change my rsync back-scripts to use /home/christian/.gvfs/mountpoint...
[09:10] <christian> trying that right now
[09:11] <cwillu_remote> you could in theory use rsync against the fstab'd mount, because rsync doesn't have to rely on filesystems acting exactly the same
[09:11] <christian> i did that for years now
[09:11] <cwillu_remote> but it's good to note that rsync has built-in support for ssh (rather than recommending the use of sshfs) for a reason
[09:12] <christian> mount smb share with fstab, then "rsync -av --delete /home/christian/Server /home/christian/Desktop"
[09:13] <cwillu_remote> probably best to mount it into /media or /mnt
[09:13] <christian> how do i put a space in a shell scrip file path? I have to do the syncing between /home/christian/.gvfs/daten auf 192.168.xxx.xxx now
[09:14] <christian> yeah, i know about media and mnt. I was just lazy
[09:14] <cwillu_remote> "   " or -->\ <--
[09:14] <christian> oh yeah, thx. testing...
[09:15] <blankthemuffin_> kernel: [  933.096936] wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:08:a1:a1:00:56 - assume out of range This keeps knocking me off the net, the driver won't recover unless I manually reconnect.
[09:21] <christian> so, it would be /home/christian/.gvfs/daten\ auf\ 192.168.xxx.xxx
[09:21] <christian> that won't work, says rsync: link_stat "/home/christian/.gvfs/daten\" failed
[09:23] <blankthemuffin_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=587786 This is the problem I'm having, as you can see the last post is my own, when I first installed ubuntu on this machine. It was fixed with the drivers from http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download however I can't install the package on intrepid, it complains that the modules it tries to unload are in use.
[09:30] <christian> cwillu? plz stick with me once more :-)
[09:34] <ionte> hi! i upgraded some days ago to intrepid, and now as soon as i start x i just get a black screen. i've tried to run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" but that did not help. i have an ATI HD3850 (?) card and i have uninstalled all fglrx pacakges.
[09:36] <christian> cwillu?
[09:54] <cwillu_remote> christian, use tab completion to get it right
[09:54] <cwillu_remote> .../.gvfs/da<tab>
[09:57] <ionte> hi. ok, got X running again (ATI trouble) after upgrading to intrepid. but i just get a blank X-screen. known issue?
[09:59] <cwillu_remote> lol, silly firestarter
[09:59] <cwillu_remote> was blocking _outgoing_ avahi queries, but was still allowing the laptop itself to be found via avahi
[09:59] <cwillu_remote> (also known as: fail)
[10:00] <christian> cwillu, one more question: how to automount shares with .gvfs at boot time?
[10:01] <cwillu_remote> christian, sorry, give me a couple minutes
[10:01] <christian> fine
[10:05] <cwillu_remote> christian, I think it's something in gvfs-bin
[10:05] <cwillu_remote> !info gvfs-bin
[10:05] <christian> thx
[10:06] <cwillu_remote> gvfs-mount _might_ be it
[10:06] <christian> and that should be put in rc.local or something?
[10:07] <cwillu_remote> probably in your backup script (and let your desktop mounts take care of themselves)
[10:08] <christian> i just think it's awkward that i don't know how to mount smb shares at boot time correctly. it was really simple with fstab for years.
[10:10] <cwillu_remote> as I said, you could still use fstab for rsync
[10:10] <christian> the backup script works, i figured it out
[10:10] <cwillu_remote> ah, k
[10:11] <christian> the only thing left is that i want to mount my network share at boot time correctly. and i totally don't know how
[10:18] <christian> i mean: is this totally deprectaed really? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountWindowsSharesPermanently
[10:23] <blanktheserver> Hey, I'm wondering if there is a way to manually set the driver to use ( for onboard wifi ) The one which comes with ubuntu is bugged for my intel n card, and it needs the iwl4965. On previous versions I simply installed these drivers: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download I've loaded the drivers, but it seems that they don't work in intrepid anyway, wifi device is detected, but it doesn't detect any wireless networks.
[10:24] <cwillu_remote> christian, there's no safe way for an application to do the usual 'rename the old file, write the new one, delete the old file' on a cifs mount
[10:24] <cwillu_remote> christian, and there's no reliable way for an app to tell that it won't work
[10:24] <christian> hm?
[10:25] <cwillu_remote> so you either get an error message when you try (which you then ignore if the app allows you), or you deal with possible silent data loss
[10:25] <cwillu_remote> you can still use a cifs mount to rsync (rsync doesn't do the same thing as a document editor, it has an easier problem to solve here)
[10:25] <christian> ok, stop, i really can't follow you. my only problem right now: how to mount my network share at boot time correctly
[10:26] <cwillu_remote> christian, stop wanting that :p
[10:26] <christian> why? i mean, everybody does this?
[10:26] <cwillu_remote> nobody I know
[10:26] <cwillu_remote> why does the system need it mounted at boot, as opposed to on first access?
[10:27] <cwillu_remote> (in particular, mounting it at boot doesn't fail gracefully if the machine wasn't reachable at boot for whatever reason)
[10:27] <christian> so you mean the correct way is always klick "places" - (added favorite) after system start?
[10:28] <cwillu_remote> christian, answer my question :p
[10:28] <cwillu_remote> why do you _need_ it mounted?
[10:28] <christian> ok, first access is enough, you are right
[10:28] <cwillu_remote> it'll still show up in all the 'open' dialogues, etc
[10:28] <cwillu_remote> the tricky part is if you have a cron script
[10:28] <bugabundo_work> bah does the gnome mount
[10:28] <bugabundo_work> of the icon placed on the desktop
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> can be accessed by any app? even teminal'
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> ?
[10:29] <cwillu_remote> but the right answer there is to have the cron script (backup, whatever) do the mount then and there
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> it used to fail for me
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> so I usually mount it from cli
[10:29] <cwillu_remote> bugabundo_work, yes, terminal apps can see gvfs mounts in ~/.gvfs/<mount name>
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> nice.... I 'll start using it again
[10:29] <christian> ok, now i understand. i am just so used to having failing network shares under windows xp, i guess
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> because if they are mounted from cli
[10:29] <bugabundo_work> shutdown will fail
[10:29] <cwillu_remote> bugabundo_work, gnome's file api got drastically overhauled in hardy, with dramatic improvements in stability
[10:30] <bugabundo_work> let me get the lp id for it
[10:31] <christian> and that's why rsync is a special problem, because it would not be gnome-aware and fail without a fixed mountpoint. i got it now
[10:31] <bugabundo_work> by the way, can someone touth #270860 ?
[10:31] <bugabundo_work> ahhh so rsync doesn't work ??
[10:32] <bugabundo_work> bah... I need it too
[10:32] <christian> well, cwillu basically told me that i should now keep cifs-entries in /etc/fstab at all because they are hacks
[10:33] <bugabundo_work> bah
[10:33] <bugabundo_work> I really hate to look for bugs I'm subscribed on LP
[10:33] <bugabundo_work> I can't ever find what I'm looking for
[10:33] <christian> LOL
[10:34] <bugabundo_work> does anybody know by head the LP id for that annoying unmount bug on shutdown?
[10:34] <cwillu_remote> christian, the architecture in general is a hack
[10:34] <christian> ok, i still had a certain problem with saving files on smb share with openoffice, even if i mounted with gnomes menu. i will try to reproduce that one. it only affected openoffice, not the other gnome-apps
[10:35] <cwillu_remote> christian, if you don't actually need system mounts (i.e., you're not running a terminal server with multiple people logged in, all needing access to the same shares, _and_ the overhead of multiple gvfs mounts is a problem)...
[10:35] <cwillu_remote> christian, that problem only occurs with fstab/command line mounts
[10:35] <cwillu_remote> christian, not with gnome-mounts
[10:36] <bugabundo_work> why is google better at finding stuff inside LP then LP it self?
[10:36] <bugabundo_work> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/90795
[10:36] <cwillu_remote> bugabundo_work, because google is a company that makes search engines, and canonical is a company that makes operating systems :p
[10:37] <bugabundo_work> eheh
[10:37] <christian> lol
[10:37] <bugabundo_work> how fancy ubottu to post both original desc and the dupe...
[10:38] <bugabundo_work> funny enough I'm not subscribed to any of them... so mine must be a dupe that aint marked as such
[10:38] <christian> ok, the problem persists in openoffice. but i guess it has something to do with openoffice asking me for a password when i try to save the file
[10:39] <christian> could be aproblem between openoffice and gnome, ooo not getting the correct gvfs information
[10:39] <bugabundo_work> ahh here it is
[10:39] <bugabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/228947
[10:40] <bugabundo_work> stupid ubottu... where did you find "wpasupplicant" ?
[10:41] <cwillu_remote> the dup...
[10:41] <bugabundo_work> ahh
[10:41] <bugabundo_work> but there aint anything on the subject...
[10:42] <cwillu_remote> heh, it _is_ a wpasupplicant bug
[10:42] <bugabundo_work> christian: did you also got stuck on shutdown
[10:43] <bugabundo_work> with your manual connections?
[10:43] <cwillu_remote> wpasupplicant is overriding the proper shutdown order
[10:43] <cwillu_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/211631
[10:43] <christian> is there some known bug that openoffice i get stuck on shutdown with my hardy machine nowadays, could be related to my network share mounted with fstab...
[10:44] <christian> lol
[10:44] <christian> sorry
[10:44] <christian> forget the first part
[10:44] <bugabundo_work> heeeh
[10:44] <bugabundo_work> is this bug then christian ?
[10:45] <bugabundo_work> lol
[10:45] <christian> i don't know, i haven't looked into ti (despite being annoying of course)
[10:46] <cwillu_remote> hang on shutdown is from the fstab mount, yes
[10:46] <bugabundo_work> cwillu_remote: any idea when a workaround will be provided?
[10:46] <christian> thx
[10:46] <cwillu_remote> bugabundo_work, let me ask you the same question I asked christian:
[10:47] <bugabundo_work> sure
[10:47] <cwillu_remote> bugabundo_work, do you really need an fstab mount?  if so, why?
[10:47] <bugabundo_work> I don't use fstab mount per si
[10:47] <bugabundo_work> I ok
[10:47] <cwillu_remote> or console mounts
[10:47] <bugabundo_work> I just use the console because it didn't used to work
[10:47] <bugabundo_work> via gfvs
[10:48] <bugabundo_work> ill have to try tonight when I get home
[10:48] <cwillu_remote> stop using the mount command, and you'll stop caring about that bug :p
[10:48] <bugabundo_work> lol
[10:48] <cwillu_remote> treating remote filesystems as if they were local is such a horrible idea :)
[10:48] <bugabundo_work> it is still a bug
[10:48] <bugabundo_work> and it should be fixed
[10:49] <christian> ok, i am nailing this one down and i have new info. i am certain there is a bug here.
[10:49] <cwillu_remote> no, not really.  You should only be using that behaviour on a server, and you shouldn't have a server connected over a wireless link :p
[10:49] <cwillu_remote> bugabundo_work, not you christian :p
[10:49] <bugabundo_work> I don't access it via wifi
[10:50] <bugabundo_work> only via cable at home
[10:50] <bugabundo_work> I didn't report the wpa bug... just a dupe against smb
[10:50] <christian> start computer - log into gnome - start ooowriter - type something - save - select bookmarked share - ooo asks for a password and then fails to write the file
[10:51] <christian> but: if i close now ooo and start it again, typ something, save, select bookmark share - then it saves. on the second try
[10:52]  * cwillu_remote points christian at launchpad to file a bug
[10:58] <cwillu_remote> "The runtime configuration check failed for the library <...>:  expected /usr/lib/tls/..., found /usr/lib/...
[10:58] <cwillu_remote> BECAUSE YOU PUT IT THERE
[10:58] <cwillu_remote> stupid piece of crap installer
[11:00]  * cwillu_remote pokes mvo_ with a stick because he can
[11:10] <christian> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/279789
[11:10] <legend2440> i have ati radeon 9600 video card. i've read that intrepid doesn't support fglrx yet. is that true?
[11:11] <christian> updated. the third comment give the current status.
[11:11] <christian> openoffice will fail on the first try and succeed on the second but only if you don't wait too long. there seems to be some kind of timeout...
[11:13] <christian> afk for 10. grabbing some food.
[11:23] <blankthemuffin__> Why is the iwl4965 wireless driver module not included in the kernel? It seems iwlagn is used instead?
[11:29] <christian> back
[11:30] <tta> anybody having trouble to login to desktop; if "auto-*" is removed from .ecryptfs/ disabled automounting?
[12:06] <crazy_bus> I'm trying to import a kde3 kget list into the new kde4 kget.  But nothing seems to happen (I get no errors though)  Is there anything I can do?
[12:15] <cwillu_remote> anyone with any inspiration re: nvidia?
[12:16] <cwillu_remote> I can't get driver "nvidia" to do anything but segfault
[12:16] <cwillu_remote> although nv works fine
[12:18] <christian> Sorry, I always use Intel Graphics Cards whereever possible :-)
[12:19] <bugabundo_work> cwillu_remote: mine luckly is working fine
[12:19] <cwillu_remote> odd
[12:19] <bugabundo_work> even on dual monitor (it wasn't most of ibex devel)
[12:19] <bugabundo_work> do you need versions to compare?
[12:19] <bugabundo_work> I'm uptodate
[12:19] <bugabundo_work> and rebooted today...
[12:19] <bugabundo_work> other then the nasty refresh bug, I'm fine
[12:20] <cwillu_remote> which nvidia?
[12:20] <bugabundo_work> 8400m G
[12:20] <NET||abuse> soooo annoying,, my screen updates just won't happen with compiz... nearly every web page i go to, the page isn't rendered until i click on the window somewhere.. elements I roll over appear as I move the mouse over the page.. so it's still on the last page untill i roll over something I can't see, then it does it's :hover effect and just appears on the page in the middle of the content of the last page..
[12:20] <NET||abuse> then I scroll, or click the window border, or guess where there's white space on the page and click there.. and it updates,,
[12:20] <bugabundo_work> NET||abuse: you mean https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904
[12:20] <NET||abuse> pidgin window is havinig glitches too :)
[12:21] <NET||abuse> bugabundo_work: yeh, that's it
[12:21] <bugabundo_work> you just have to wait...
[12:21] <NET||abuse> certainly sounds like it by the summary :)
[12:21] <bugabundo_work> I suffer from it too
[12:21] <NET||abuse> we're afflicted
[12:21] <NET||abuse> unclean
[12:21] <bugabundo_work> use metacity for now
[12:21] <bugabundo_work> it happens much less...
[12:21] <NET||abuse> :) no, don't wanna
[12:21] <bugabundo_work> then try the nvidia guy patch
[12:22] <NET||abuse> nvidia guy patch? is it linked in the bug?
[12:22] <NET||abuse> just subscribed to that bug,, thanks
[12:23] <bugabundo_work> NET||abuse: https://launchpad.net/~aplattner/+archive
[12:24] <NET||abuse> tjoh, so the patch would come from a compiz package, not the nvidia driver?
[12:24] <NET||abuse> i thought it was driver issue,,
[12:24] <bugabundo_work> try it and let us know on LP, ok?
[12:30] <sdschwarz> I installed Ubuntu 8.10 Beta via unetbootin on a USB stick. I also created the casper-rw file on the same partition. When booting with "persistent", it drops me to busybox. Any idea how I can boot it properly? Couldn't find any info on the web.
[12:38] <lubosz> hi
[12:39] <lubosz> the latest (maybe not so late, it was Wednesday) network manager update broke wifi for me. now i cant update anymore... :(
[12:40] <lubosz> any suggestions besides trying lan?
[12:40] <lubosz> he does not find any networks, and if i try a know network, it says immediately "disconnected from ..."
[12:40] <dns53> download the new deb from another computer and manually install it?
[12:41] <lubosz> hmk
[12:41] <lubosz> was there a know issue?
[12:41] <dns53> i know they have updated it a few times this week
[12:41] <lubosz> k
[12:41] <lubosz> maybe its not the network managers fault
[12:52] <christian> cwillu?
[12:54] <cwillu_remote> eh?
[12:55] <christian> just to set the record straight: for local mounts, would you still use a simple fstab-entry or are there also any problems with it or advantages if it let gnome do it?
[12:55] <cwillu_remote> local mounts I would use fstab, yes.  Anything that is physically attached to the machine
[12:56] <cwillu_remote> christian, alot of irc clients don't give any particular notice that a new private message has come in
[12:56] <lexrupy1> hello all
[12:56] <christian> now that's an answer i can work with. thx.
[12:56] <cwillu_remote> don't private message people without asking first
[12:56] <christian> ok, thx. i am not used to this irc-stuff
[12:57] <lexrupy1> In Intrepid the terminal window comes by default with a transparency on menu bar, but I reaaly don't want that, how can I disable that?
[12:58] <dns53> lexrupy1 just edit > preferences > and set the background to a solid color
[12:58] <W8TAH> how do ATI cards work with ibex?
[12:58] <W8TAH> specifically with kde
[12:58] <lexrupy1> dns53: it does not work for me
[12:59] <lexrupy1> by default it is already "solid"
[13:00] <lexrupy1> and for me that configuration change the transparency of terminal text window, not the menubar of terminal window
[13:01] <dns53> lexrupy1 perhaps your gtk engine is transparent?
[13:04] <lexrupy1> huh... I use the default one that comes with Intrepid... other windows aren't, just terminal.... :(
[13:13] <bugabundo_work> lexrupy1: I've reported that...
[13:13] <bugabundo_work> let me see if I can find it
[13:14] <lexrupy1> ok, thanks
[13:15] <W8TAH> hi folks - anyone know if the problems with intel 82865 onboard video cards have been resolved yet for kubuntu 8.10?
[13:15] <bugabundo_work> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/265063
[13:15] <bugabundo_work> pedro villecicencio asked me to reporte it upstream
[13:15] <zniavre> it's murrine rgba support not a bug
[13:15] <bugabundo_work> I haven't had the time to do it yet
[13:16] <bugabundo_work> excuse me zniavre?
[13:16] <zniavre> you should disable rgba option into your gtkrc
[13:16] <bugabundo_work> why ?
[13:16] <zniavre> it make menubar and some software translucide
[13:16] <zniavre> http://www.cimitan.com/murrine
[13:17] <bugabundo_work> well it is still a bug, I guess
[13:17] <bugabundo_work> since it doesn't apply to every app
[13:17] <bugabundo_work> ola joaopinto. ontem foste ao encontro?
[13:17] <bugabundo_work> zniavre: can you please post on that bug, with further instructions?
[13:18] <lexrupy1> yep... just like I suspect
[13:18] <zniavre> i do not know what to tell
[13:18] <bugabundo_work> lol
[13:18] <zniavre> system monitor is tranlucide too
[13:18] <joaopinto> bugabundo_work, não, estava a pensar ir mas surgiu trabalho :\
[13:18] <bugabundo_work> I can say what you said here, plus the instructions on how to
[13:18] <bugabundo_work> help fix the behaviour
[13:19] <zniavre> for sure
[13:19] <bugabundo_work> thanks so much zniavre
[13:19] <zniavre> i guess the next theme should desactivate rgba until gtk+ is not patched
[13:19] <bugabundo_work> either fill a new bug for it
[13:19] <bugabundo_work> or change this one
[13:20] <bugabundo_work> I guess mine is this
[13:20] <bugabundo_work> http://www.cimitan.com/murrine/node/103
[13:20] <zniavre> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/265063
[13:21] <zniavre> oops
[13:21] <zniavre> sorry
[13:21] <bugabundo_work> no prob
[13:21] <zniavre> http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/187396/intrepid2.png   look how it is with some apps patched to support murrine rgba
[13:21] <bugabundo_work> humm are you cimitan ?
[13:22] <zniavre> not at all
[13:22] <bugabundo_work> ahh
[13:22] <bugabundo_work> he just replied there
[13:22] <bugabundo_work> 1 minute ago
[13:22] <bugabundo_work> lol
[13:22] <zniavre> im following his works qui closely
[13:23] <zniavre> i sent him your gub report into murrine channel
[13:23] <bugabundo_work> ok
[13:26] <bugabundo_work> bah
[13:27] <bugabundo_work> we are both making changes on that ticklet at the same time
[13:27] <bugabundo_work> lol
[13:27] <bugabundo_work> zniavre:  can you ask him to come here?
[13:27] <zniavre> you can go there > /j #murrine
[13:28] <zniavre> i just follow his works i do not know him personnaly
[13:28] <zniavre> > /usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0 >line 93 >change TRUE by FALSE
[13:28] <sdschwarz> Hi, can anyone help me out? I installed Ubuntu 8.10 Beta via unetbootin on a USB stick. I also created the casper-rw file on the same partition. When booting with "persistent", it drops me to busybox. Any idea how I can boot it properly? Couldn't find any info on the web.
[13:28] <zniavre> i do not know how to do in command line
[13:29] <bugabundo_work> lol zniavre. that's the easy part
[13:29] <bugabundo_work> nano and do it
[13:30] <bugabundo_work> sdschwarz: what are you trying to acomplish?
[13:31] <sdschwarz> bugabundo_work: I want to boot the Live version from a USB stick and make it persistent by saving to the casper-rw file on the same stick.
[13:31] <bugabundo_work> sdschwarz: why don't you use usb-creator?
[13:31] <bugabundo_work> it works very well
[13:32] <bugabundo_work> and is actively mantained by
[13:32] <sdschwarz> bugabundo_work: I read about it, even installed it, but I thought it creates a new partition instead of a casper-rw file.
[13:32] <bugabundo_work> some guy whose name now fails me
[13:32] <bugabundo_work> I don't know what you mean by casper-rw
[13:33] <bugabundo_work> I know it can place some space to save the configuration as perstistant
[13:33] <bugabundo_work> I guess it does a new partition... I'm not sure
[13:33] <sdschwarz> bugabundo_work: To make a Live version (CD or USB) persistent, a file or volume labeled casper-rw is required.
[13:33] <bugabundo_work> why don't you ping the autor on #ubuntu-devel?
[13:33] <sdschwarz> bugabundo_work: That's a good idea, I'll see if I can reach him!
[13:34] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/284951 - Any Ideas, please?
[13:34] <bugabundo_work> cypherdelic: does it crash?
[13:35] <bugabundo_work> cypherdelic: does it crash?
[13:35] <cypherdelic> No it just dont work
[13:36] <cypherdelic> D-Pad, Analog, Buttons... nothing is calibratable
[13:36] <cypherdelic> but the gamepad is detected
[13:36] <bugabundo_work> just a sec
[13:36] <bugabundo_work> can you ping ogra on #ubuntu-mobile
[13:36] <bugabundo_work> ?
[13:36] <bugabundo_work> he is doing some work with endev and calibration
[13:37] <bugabundo_work> if he can't help you, I'm sure he can point you in the proper direction cypherdelic
[13:39] <pi-meson> The current intrepid appears to have packages for boost-1.34 ("libboost-*-1.34.1") as well as boost-1.35. Are the 1.34 versions likely to make it to release? I asked about this a few months ago and was told "no", but they're still there. (Which, just to be clear, makes me happ)
[13:40] <bugabundo_work> pi-meson: is there a bug filed on LP?
[13:40] <bugabundo_work> if so, please email ubuntu-devel-discuss
[13:40] <myk_robinson> morning, all
[13:41] <myk_robinson> just a note for anyone with Intel 3945ABG, i installed this morning's release of compat-wireless, and now have flawlessly working wifi
[13:41] <myk_robinson> here's what you need:  http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download
[13:41] <myk_robinson> also use the supplied firmware from their website
[13:42] <pi-meson> bugabundo_work: searching the intrepid bugs on lp, i don't see any related to boost. But the current state (where both are in there) makes me very happy, and is different from what I was told. So like, I don't want to file a bug, because to me it's a feature :)
[13:43] <bugabundo_work> ok
[13:43] <pi-meson> I just wanted to know if I can depend on the current behavior, or if I should plan on these libs suddenly disappearing in the next two weeks
[13:45] <bugabundo_work> As I said please email ubuntu-devel-discuss
[13:46] <bugabundo_work> I think you can get a proper anwser there
[13:46] <bugabundo_work> brb
[13:58] <Nhorning> hey there
[13:59] <Nhorning> on one of the upgrades
[13:59] <Nhorning> updater offered to merge my logout menu so it had more options
[14:00] <Nhorning> I said yes, but I had already replaced my logout button with the power buttion
[14:00] <Nhorning> So it couldn't find the button and gave me an error
[14:00] <Nhorning> it said I had to install manually
[14:00] <Nhorning> How do I install it manually?
[14:01] <Nhorning> anybody?
[14:02] <danbh_intrepid> so you replaced the button already?
[14:03] <bugabundo_work> those messages gave errors both times...
[14:03] <bugabundo_work> no that I think about it, I should have filed a bug against it
[14:06] <elbermungster> hey guys, just wondering. will OpenOffice.org 3.0 be included in Intrepid? Or will it be offered as Proposed or Backport software?
[14:08] <Nhorning> I had replaced the button with the shutdown button
[14:08] <billgoldberg> Hi. Is there an Ubuntu 8.10 minimal cd out yet?
[14:08] <billgoldberg> I can't seem to find it on the mirros.
[14:08] <billgoldberg> mirrors*
[14:08] <bugabundo_work> elbermungster: that question as been asked many times
[14:08] <Nhorning> So the program couldn't find my logout button to change it's menue
[14:08] <bugabundo_work> OOo 3 is already on a ppa
[14:08] <Nhorning> apperenlty
[14:08] <Nhorning> I've put the logout button back up there
[14:09] <bugabundo_work> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2008-September/005424.html
[14:09] <Nhorning> I just want to manually install the combined menu now
[14:10] <bugabundo_work> billgoldberg: there is, I think
[14:10] <bugabundo_work> but any cd (live, server,alternate) as an option to install it
[14:10] <billgoldberg> how?
[14:10] <danbh_intrepid> bugabundo_work: openoffice was released on time, interestingly enough
[14:10] <bugabundo_work> but not tested enough, I guess
[14:11] <billgoldberg> I only see the "isntall ubuntu" option on the live cd I got now. No mention of a minimal install
[14:11] <bugabundo_work> there is an option
[14:11] <bugabundo_work> maybe F4 or F6
[14:11] <billgoldberg> ok, thanks. I'll try that.
[14:11] <billgoldberg> bye
[14:13] <Ayabara> I'm having some issues with my screen not updating. In FF for instance, I sometime have to scroll, change tab or something before it decides to update.
[14:13] <bugabundo_work> danbh_intrepid: you can ping chris to know who it is goinhg
[14:13] <danbh_intrepid> bugabundo_work: who is chris?
[14:14] <bugabundo_work> Chris Cheney      ccheney at ubuntu.com
[14:14] <bugabundo_work> I think he is one of the packages mantainers
[14:14] <bugabundo_work> let me check OOo source
[14:16] <bugabundo_work> https://edge.launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs
[14:16] <bugabundo_work> actually it should be mathias
[14:16] <danbh_intrepid> wait, what is go-oo?
[14:16] <bugabundo_work> https://launchpad.net/~doko
[14:16] <bugabundo_work> danbh_intrepid: I think it's an expantion pack
[14:17] <bugabundo_work> let me pind doko to see if he help you
[14:18] <danbh_intrepid> bugabundo_work: well, I don't need help particularly, but all this is interesting
[14:20] <bugabundo_work> I'm asking him on #ubuntu-devel
[14:21] <mkhlnsh> hello. what otions are available for encrypting partitions with dm-crypt and luks. i see on some tutorials that --cipher aes-cbc-essiv:sha256 --key-size 256 is the "best"/"most used" option. is there something stronger than that?
[14:27] <Ayabara> anyone else having problems with the screen not redrawing properly?
[14:27] <skyjumper> Ayabara: nvidia+compiz? yes
[14:27] <Ayabara> skyjumper: "great". thanks
[14:28] <Ayabara> known issue?
[14:29] <skyjumper> i've seen a few questions about it in here, but haven't checked launchpad
[14:34] <theBishop> I there's a bug with fonts.  i change my application font, and now that I've changed it back to Sans, I'm seeing stuff that looks wrong.  Particularly with numbers
[14:36] <blomo> hello, i've just setup intrepid. during the first boot, there was the graphical boot-screen. after the first reboot, the screen goes to text-mode. what could cause this behavior?
[14:36] <theBishop> blomo, what video card do you have?
[14:37] <blomo> intel
[14:37] <blomo> theBishop, i also see something like error-messages, which maybe can cause this behavior. where can i see these messages after boot?
[14:38] <theBishop> blomo, dmesg
[14:40] <W8TAH> how well do ati cards handle kde / compiz on ibex?
[14:40] <Ayabara> skyjumper: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/269904 <- seems to be fixed now
[14:40] <W8TAH> ya
[14:40] <skyjumper> Ayabara: excellent
[14:40] <cwillu_remote> can somebody running nv (_not_ nvidia) tell me what dpkg-query -S libnvidia-tls says?
[14:43] <FreshPrince> for what is this channel #ubuntu+1 ?
[14:43] <FreshPrince> :)
[14:44] <W8TAH> FreshPrince, read the topic
[14:47] <theBishop> is Firefox a total wreck for anyone else as of yesterday?
[14:48] <theBishop> some update really killed it
[14:48] <theBishop> bugs galore
[14:49] <cwillu_remote> anybody getting seg faults from anything glx'ish?
[14:50] <danbh_intrepid> cwillu_remote: still asking the nv'ers?
[14:50] <cwillu_remote> danbh_intrepid, anyone now :p
[14:50] <cwillu_remote> although I'm still curious about the dpkg-query from the nv'ers
[14:50] <theBishop> cwillu_remote, not segfaults, but Glxgears is leaving a static "ghost" behind if i move the window around
[14:51] <theBishop> the ghosts don't go away until something causes that pixel to redraw
[14:51] <danbh_intrepid> whats the package for glxgears?
[14:51] <theBishop> danbh_intrepid, glxgears on the terminal
[14:51] <danbh_intrepid> nvm
[14:51] <cwillu_remote> mesa-utils
[14:51] <theBishop> you probably already have it
[14:51] <danbh_intrepid> yeah, I got it.  Its working fine for me
[14:53] <cwillu_remote> the hell?  why is nv active?
[14:53] <theBishop> firefox seems to be running better for me since removing my .mozilla folder
[14:55] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, most likely you have a bad xorg.conf
[14:55] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, I have no xorg.conf
[14:55] <bsnider> there you go. you need it if you want to load a restricted driver
[14:55] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, thought they fixed that
[14:56] <blomo> hello, i have with intrepid no graphical boot screen instead i have text-mode-boot. what could cause this?
[14:56] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, nvidia submitted a patch that was rejected by dave airlie, but recommended for inclusion by the distros. ubuntu didn't include it.
[14:57] <danbh_intrepid> cwillu_remote: http://pastebin.com/f1dd82929    Thats what mine is, default install of the nvidia 177 drivers
[14:57] <cwillu_remote> danbh_intrepid, thanks.  Ya, I've got a default xorg.conf now
[14:58] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, sigh
[14:58] <cwillu_remote> and now I'm just back to a segfaulting xorg
[14:59] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, how are things?  Ever get N working?
[14:59] <cwillu_remote> http://pastebin.com/f8c3f334
[14:59] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, you mean when you used jockey to load the driver, that's the file it made?
[14:59] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: yeah
[14:59] <bsnider> guhhhhh
[14:59] <bsnider> i'm going to go out and hang myself now
[15:00] <bsnider> that's totally wrong
[15:00] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: lol
[15:00] <bsnider> you don't need the stuff in the "module" section at all
[15:00] <bsnider> and it doesn't have the recommended tweaks
[15:01] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, its at least several weeks old
[15:01] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: I could try reinstalling, and see if I get the same thing
[15:01] <bsnider> here's what it should create: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[15:02] <bsnider> scroll down to the xorg.conf section
[15:03] <Sindwiller> Hiho - what's the status for the Tascam US-122L (USB Audiocard/interface) drivers under Intrepid? Are they included..?
[15:03] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: so, you think the two Options in the screen section should be included?
[15:03] <danbh_intrepid> in my xorg.conf?
[15:04] <bsnider> no, nvidia thinks so
[15:04] <danbh_intrepid> hehe, ok, I was just clarifying
[15:04] <bsnider> see for yourself http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=118088
[15:05]  * cwillu_remote curses at the segfault
[15:05] <danbh_intrepid> well, I'll run some tests
[15:06] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, if after using a good xorg.conf you still can't load the nvidia driver, there are two possibilities: you don't have the driver installed, or the driver won't work on your hardware
[15:07] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, my post goes through all of it in detail: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[15:07] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, 7300gt, worked on 177.70 under hardy
[15:07] <bsnider> the 177 driver will drive that card
[15:08] <cwillu_remote> yes, I know :p
[15:08] <cwillu_remote> hence my cursing :)
[15:08] <cwillu_remote> got your recommended xorg.conf loaded in
[15:08] <cwillu_remote> dkms status shows 177.80 is installed
[15:09] <bsnider> then you've got no problem
[15:09] <bsnider> restart
[15:09] <cwillu_remote> did you see my pastebin above?
[15:09] <cwillu_remote> http://pastebin.com/f8c3f334
[15:11] <bsnider> that means the nvidia driver is being loaded but there's a showstopper when it tries to load glx
[15:11] <bsnider> i'd reinstall the driver using the dkms commands in my post
[15:12] <cwillu_remote> got an nvidia splashscreen that time (which I normally had disabled in xorg.conf)
[15:12] <[g2]> can I hot-plug external SATA with ibex ? Meaing is the acpi/apci/whatever support ?
[15:12] <[g2]> oh.. on x86_64 (Core2 duo)
[15:13] <bsnider> [g2], try it
[15:13] <[g2]> bsnider: I'm a little concerned about frying my SATA port/mobo, so I thought I'd ask first :0
[15:14] <tidrion> sup
[15:14] <cwillu_remote> segfaults
[15:14] <Sindwiller> heh
[15:14] <tidrion> anyone else having issues with dropbox
[15:14] <bsnider> well, i don't know. i can't see the mobo getting fried
[15:14] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: well, that xorg works fine.  Is it just supposed to run faster/better/whatever?
[15:15] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, the information on what it does is in the post
[15:15] <Sindwiller> So, does anybody know what the status of the drivers for the Tascam US-122L USB Audio interface is?
[15:15] <bsnider> and you also have to run the command
[15:15] <danbh_intrepid> wo, I think Im getting an extra 1500 fps in glxgears
[15:16] <Sindwiller> danbh_intrepid, why would you use glxgears as a benchmark o_O
[15:16] <Sindwiller> danbh_intrepid, try Nexuiz or something :P
[15:18] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, still segfaulting
[15:18] <Sindwiller> danbh_intrepid, try the command 'timedemo demo1' in Nex
[15:18] <Sindwiller> IIRC
[15:18] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, dkms uninstall'd, remove'd, add'd, build'd, install'd, reboot'd, segfault'd :p
[15:19] <cwillu_remote> status'd in the appropriate places, build did stuff, etc
[15:19] <bsnider> unfortunately, there's no info about why it's segfaulting
[15:19] <ha-nocri> hello. nautilus freezes when i try to open any directory from menu and home folder. what can i do with it?
[15:19] <danbh_intrepid> Sindwiller: ok
[15:20] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, did you ever use anything else, like envy, or install the driver from nvidia's installer?
[15:20] <danbh_intrepid> Sindwiller: lol, its a 400mb d/l!
[15:20] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, hardy ran under nvidia's installer, although I already ran the --uninstall against that.  I'm reasonably sure that's the source of my trouble, but I can't for the life of me figure out what lib is hanging around
[15:20] <Sindwiller> danbh_intrepid, hmm... ya, that might be heavy depending on your connection
[15:20] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, it's included with michael larabel's phoronix-test-suite
[15:21] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: whats that?
[15:21] <bsnider> google it
[15:21] <danbh_intrepid> Sindwiller: well, the servers are slow for me atm, so its an eta of 1 hour
[15:22] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, i might uninstall xorg completely, purging it, then reinstall. because nvidia's libgl is replacing the one included with xorg, which is one of the unique things about nvidia's linux driver
[15:26] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, http://www.phoronix-test-suite.com/
[15:27] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider: yeah, I found it.   It looks cool, but I'm guessing I need to use the beta for the later linux kernel, etc
[15:28] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, should I be removing nvidia-glx-177 as well?
[15:28] <bsnider> gem has been submitted to the 2.6.28 kernel, so with that and dri2, ubuntu 9.04 will have hardware acceleration for ati/intel cards for the first time ever
[15:29] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, yes, definitely
[15:29] <cwillu_remote> nvidia*, nvidia-glx*, or just nvidia-glx-177?
[15:29] <bsnider> i'd take it all out
[15:29]  * cwillu_remote has done all this already, but is doing it again on the off chance he missed something the first time :p
[15:30] <bsnider> purge it too. get rid of the config files
[15:30] <Sindwiller> so I guess nobody has an idea what's up with the Tascam US-122L :(
[15:32]  * cwillu_remote purges xorg* nvidia*
[15:33]  * cwillu_remote reinstalls...
[15:34]  * cwillu_remote pokes mvo_ with a stick.  It was probably some config dialog that he clicked through that caused this grief...
[15:34] <cwillu_remote> dkms building...
[15:35] <histo> Anyone else see that igoogle completely changed?
[15:35] <cwillu_remote> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.5.2-1ubuntu4_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so', which is also in package nvidia-glx-177
[15:35] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, ^^^
[15:36] <theBishop> can anyone configure this for me: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5982358#post5982358
[15:36] <theBishop> er
[15:36] <theBishop> confirm
[15:36] <blomo> my bootsplash disappears at: Reading files needed to boot... i've checked usplash.conf and the values are correct there. what could cause this behavior
[15:38]  * cwillu_remote re-removes xorg* and nvidia*
[15:39]  * cwillu_remote notes that libglx.so and libglx.so.177.80 remained...
[15:42]  * cwillu_remote continues reinstalling after deleting the remaining files
[15:42]  * cwillu_remote notes that there's been no diversion errors this time...
[15:45]  * mvo_ points cwillu_remote to the u-m bzr tree
[15:46] <[g2]> with ibex i've formatted an ext4 partition, but 'mount' doesn't seem to recognize ext4. What's the status of ext4 in ibex ? TIA
[15:46] <cwillu_remote> mvo_, focu?
[15:46] <cwillu_remote> s?
[15:46] <mvo_> cwillu_remote: default has_focus is removed from the buttons
[15:46] <cwillu_remote> yay!
[15:46] <Chousuke> [g2]: the name of ext4 in the intrepid kernel should still be ext4dev if I'm not mistaken
[15:46]  * cwillu_remote huggles mvo_ 
[15:47] <Chousuke> [g2]: that's code for "do not use" :P
[15:47] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, nvidia splash screen, and then segfault, still
[15:47] <[g2]> Chousuke: ok thx... I guess it's not ready for prime-time yet
[15:48] <cwillu_remote> actually
[15:48] <[g2]> however, mkfs.ext4 seemed to work just fine on the 750G drive
[15:48] <Chousuke> [g2]: it was renamed to ext4 some time ago
[15:48] <Chousuke> but it's still a new filesystem; it might have bugs.
[15:49] <Chousuke> so at least have backups :)
[15:49] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, yep, still a segfault, right after glx
[15:49] <[g2]> Chousuke: it is the 2nd backup copy
[15:50] <[g2]> but while I'd like to use extents for large (10-20G ish video files) it's not important
[15:50] <Chousuke> That's good.
[15:50] <[g2]> I'll just use ext3 for now
[15:50] <[g2]> but THX
[15:51] <Chousuke> if you have backups you might do the ext4 devs a favour and use the FS and report any bugs you might find. :)
[15:51] <Chousuke> but if you don't want to bother, go with ext3
[15:51] <mvo_> :)
[15:51] <[g2]> Chousuke: I'd be happy to do some testing and help the effort out
[15:52] <[g2]> I just don't know whom to contact or what to focus the testing time on
[15:52] <Chousuke> well yeah, that's a problem :/
[15:52] <tidrion> woot! got Dropbox working on intrepid!
[15:52] <Chousuke> testing kernel stuff is not as easy as testing userland apps
[15:53] <[g2]> Chousuke: I do embedded linux development, and this is pretty easy
[15:53] <[g2]> disk checksums either match or they don't :)
[15:53] <[g2]> s/disk/file/
[15:54] <Chousuke> well I guess any bug reports you have should go to the ext4 mailing list.
[15:54] <[g2]> ok... I'll have to look that up
[15:54] <Chousuke> that'd be my first guess. :P
[15:54] <[g2]> thx
[15:54] <[g2]> it's a big world out there :)
[15:55] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, so that's everything xorg-* purged, everything nvidia* purged
[15:56] <theBishop> is there an ongoing changelog for all the updates coming down the pipe?
[15:56] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, suggestions? :)
[15:56] <cwillu_remote> theBishop, the updates have changelogs as they come
[15:58] <knittl> hi all! on my old laptop i could tap my touchpad with two fingers which would get translated to a middle click (three fingers == right click). that doesn't work anymore in intrepid :( (still using a synaptic touchpad) how can i enable this again?
[16:10] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, i've got one, but you're not going to like it
[16:11] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, reinstalling isn't gonna happen :p
[16:12] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, well, we know for sure the problem is specific to your system
[16:13] <cwillu_remote> true, but the only difference between my system and a previously working system was an upgrade to intrepid (dev)
[16:13] <bsnider> i know you're making a point there, but i'm not sure what it is
[16:14] <cwillu_remote> 2 weeks from now, a whole bunch of people who installed nvidia via their installer will be piling in to intrepid.  I can't imagine that I'll be the only one with this problem
[16:14] <bsnider> i can
[16:14] <cwillu_remote> reinstalling doesn't give any information as to what happened
[16:14] <bsnider> neither does the xorg log
[16:15] <cwillu_remote> true
[16:15] <bsnider> have you got any other kernels installed?
[16:15] <cwillu_remote> 2.6.24
[16:15]  * cwillu_remote reboots into 2.6.24
[16:15] <bsnider> well, you could boot that, then blow away a lot mroe than just nvidia/xorg stuff.
[16:15] <bsnider> then reinstall it
[16:16] <cwillu_remote> libgl1-mesa-*
[16:16]  * cwillu_remote wonders
[16:16] <Sindwiller> Does anybody know whether the drivers for the Tascam US-122L are included in Intrepid? Even more so, are there even drivers for it?
[16:16] <Ktron> Ever since I installed fglrx 2.1.8087 (yesterday morning?) my GDM has been a little bizarre-- it looks like its its rendering the left half of 3800x1280 on my 1900x1280 screen, so the 'type your name here' is half hidden, etc... Any suggestions? I'lll do any troubleshooting I can
[16:17] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, nvidia-glx-177 had a diversion for libgl1 from that package, but dpkg-query -S didn't show libgl1-mesa at all
[16:20] <Sindwiller> jesus, that sucks
[16:21] <MrKeuner> hi all, I am recently having problem that whenever I insert the first cdrom after reboot name of the cd-rom does not change even when I replace the cd-rom with another. Did anybody get similar problem?
[16:26] <bazookatooth> omg intrepid is so AWESOME.
[16:26] <bazookatooth> intrepid changes EVERYTHING for desktop linux. its on now.
[16:26] <^synax> Halp, http://pastebin.com/d7b2b682f
[16:27] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, i've got docs for that file, but not the file itself
[16:27] <bsnider> libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-glx
[16:29] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, libGLcore.so (misremembered the filename)
[16:30] <bsnider> want me to pastebin that?
[16:30] <cwillu_remote> SURE
[16:30] <cwillu_remote> bah, aps
[16:30] <cwillu_remote> caps
[16:32] <bsnider> http://paste.ubuntu.com/58860/
[16:33] <cwillu_remote> you on 64bit?
[16:33] <bsnider> yes
[16:34] <cwillu_remote> is it odd that I don't have a libGLcore.so at all, just the .1, .177.80, etc?
[16:34] <bsnider> i'll bet you don't have those diversions. that's the problem
[16:34] <cwillu_remote> I've got the four diversions
[16:34] <bsnider> what's the difference between yours and mine then?
[16:34] <cwillu_remote> I don't have lib32
[16:35] <cwillu_remote> and libGLcore.so isn't listed anywhere else (only under lib32 on yours)
[16:35] <maestrolinux> http://s2.ar.bitefight.org/c.php?uid=19732
[16:35] <dphase> just updated from beta1 to latest packages, now have the new bluetooth manager, however it isn't seeing any of my devices -- any ideas?
[16:36] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, in other words, the file that provides glx isn't even on your system
[16:36] <cwillu_remote> http://pastebin.com/fbe54cac
[16:36] <|neon|> where is the control center on 8.10?
[16:37] <bugabundo_work> you got to enable it |neon|
[16:37] <bugabundo_work> edit the Menu and add it
[16:37] <Sindwiller> Will libsqlite3 be updated to 3.6 at some point?
[16:38] <Sindwiller> I'd need it for the Warzone2100 SVN (don't ask me why they had to use 3.6 :P)
[16:38] <|neon|> bugabundo_work: what's the command?
[16:38] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, libGLcore.so.177.80 is half a meg (not a link), .1 links to .177.80
[16:39] <BenHoltz> |neon|: go to system>preferences>main menu
[16:39] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, my laptop (intrepid, intel) doesn't have libGLcore at all
[16:40] <BenHoltz> can someone help me with my screensaver?  It won't tunr on if the computer is idle.
[16:40] <BenHoltz> turn*
[16:40] <bugabundo_work> for what ?
[16:40] <bugabundo_work> to edit?
[16:40] <bugabundo_work> right click on the Top MENU bar
[16:40] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, i'd wipe out the kernel and the kernel headers, and the nvidia-177 kernel headers, and then rebuild everything
[16:40] <MrKeuner> hi all, I am recently having problem that whenever I insert the first cdrom after reboot name of the cd-rom does not change even when I replace the cd-rom with another. Did anybody get similar problem?
[16:40] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, in compiz settings, under general, disable 'unredirect fullscreen windows'
[16:40] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: I'll give that a shot.  thanks!
[16:41] <bugabundo_work> |neon|: then go to System, and enable Control Center
[16:41] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, there should be an actual fix coming, but for now that works :p
[16:41] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: cool. thanks
[16:41] <|neon|> thx
[16:41] <bugabundo_work> cwillu_remote: humm that compiz  bug has just been fixed
[16:41] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, you don't havet he file /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so on the laptop?
[16:42] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, nope
[16:42] <cwillu_remote> and yes, it works fine :p
[16:42] <cwillu_remote> libdbe.so  libdri.so  libextmod.so  libglx.so  librecord.so  libxtrap.so
[16:43] <Ktron> Any suggestions about why GDM would be confused about my screen size?
[16:44] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: that didn't fix it
[16:44] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: the screen starts to dim then goes back bright
[16:44] <sisto> hello
[16:44] <BenHoltz> hey
[16:45] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, and you turned unredirect on or off?
[16:45] <BenHoltz>  cwillu_remote: off
[16:45] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, mesa should be providing software glx on the laptop
[16:46] <sisto> I just wanted to mention that 2 packages that I use have newer versions available. xpad and gpodder. Hopefully they will be updated for ubuntu+1 or ubuntu+2.
[16:46] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, odd.  That's exactly the symptoms of that bug, but clearing unredirect should get around it
[16:46] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: hmm I'll let these updates for today run and see if it resolves itself
[16:46] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, disable compiz, and then run "xset s activate"
[16:47] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, I've got /usr/lib/libGL.so on the laptop, butnot libGLcore
[16:47] <Ktron> a sun-java6 update today? I didn't know there was a newer version out
[16:47] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: still no screensaver, the screen flashes, then goes back to normal
[16:47] <bsnider> hhheeeeeeeeeyyyyyy
[16:47] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, under metacity?
[16:48] <bsnider> i think the refresh problem with the nvidia drvier has been fixed
[16:48] <webmaren> so I have sound in AmaroK, but not in Totem, VLC, Pidgin, or System Sounds
[16:48] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: not sure.. I just went to apperance and checked "no effects"
[16:48] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, they marked it as fixed committed already, you didn't notice? :p
[16:48] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, did it flash and all the shadow's disappear?
[16:48] <webmaren> using Kubuntu w/ KDE 4
[16:48] <bsnider> says here that aaron plattner provided a patch. he works for nvidia: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/008936.html
[16:49] <bsnider> that's awesome. nvidia rules
[16:49] <sisto> Is there somewhere I can post my suggestions made earlier or it just happens with no need for me to say anything?
[16:49] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: flashed, but I still have shadows
[16:50] <webmaren> sisto: ?
[16:50] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, pidof metacity give you back a number?
[16:50] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, if so, you've got the metacity compositor on, which probably has the same problem
[16:50] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: I see metacity running
[16:50] <sisto> I was asking whether updated versions of xpad and gpodder could be made available for ubuntu+1 or +2
[16:50] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, gconf-editor, navigate to metacity, and turn off compositing there
[16:51] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, then kill and restart metacity (metacity --replace) should do it, and see if (a) shadows go away (b) xset s activate works
[16:51] <sisto> I can always download the source code if it doesn't
[16:51] <webmaren> sisto: I'm not on dev team, but if you suggest it, they might get into +2
[16:51] <sisto> but if there's the possibility of it being put into +1 I would wait
[16:52] <webmaren> sisto: package freeze was a couple weeks ago
[16:52] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, odd, I have a lib32 folder, with nvidia and tls subfolders
[16:52] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, no contents though
[16:52] <webmaren> so probably not
[16:52] <sisto> where do u suggest it? brainstorm.ubuntu.com?
[16:52] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: compositing manager?
[16:52] <webmaren> sisto: I don't know
[16:53] <cwillu_remote> apps | metacity | general | compositing_manager
[16:53] <bsnider> i worship nvidia. they will be my new god
[16:53] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, is it checked off?
[16:53] <BenHoltz>  cwillu_remote: its already unchecked
[16:54] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, that's odd...
[16:54] <cwillu_remote> BenHoltz, you don't run xcompmgr do you?
[16:54] <cwillu_remote> (which would be really odd)
[16:54] <cwillu_remote> you shouldn't have shadows under metacity unless it's in compositing mode
[16:55] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: not that I know of...
[16:55] <bsnider> in which case might as well run compiz
[16:56] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: I might be confued on what shadows are.. I see a small one around my mouse, but that's it
[16:56] <sisto> webmaren: thx
[16:56] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: I also have a bevel around the windows
[16:57] <cwillu_remote> okay, no, it's an actual shadow cast to the lower right by windows
[16:57] <BenHoltz> cwillu_remote: those are not there
[16:58] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, could you run locate libgl | xargs sha1sum for me?
[16:58] <bsnider> yep. the refresh problem no longer happens. thank you aaron plattner
[16:59] <cwillu_remote> ah, nevermind, 64bit glx
[16:59] <MrKeuner> hi all, I am recently having problem that whenever I insert the first cdrom after reboot name of the cd-rom does not change even when I replace the cd-rom with another. what may be the problem?
[16:59] <cwillu_remote> could somebody running nvidia 177.80 on 32bit run "locate libgl | xargs sha1sum" and pastebin the result for me?
[17:02] <cwillu_remote> bah, locate -i libgl
[17:02] <bsnider> my gtkperf time has been cut in half. this nvidia driver is as close to perfect as it gets
[17:04]  * cwillu_remote scowls at bsnider :p
[17:04] <MrKeuner> hi all, I am recently having problem that whenever I insert the first cdrom after reboot name of the cd-rom does not change even when I replace the cd-rom with another. What can I do to diagnose the problem?
[17:04] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, reinstalling will save you lots of time and migraines
[17:05] <cwillu_remote> no, it really won't :p
[17:05] <bsnider> you do have your home directory on a separate partition right?
[17:05] <cwillu_remote> no, although I do have two nightly backups of it
[17:06] <cwillu_remote> I suppose I could dump the package list into a file to reinstall from
[17:06] <billgoldberg> I have some audio problems when scrolling in firefox or switching workspaces. The mp3's I'm playing using Totem and the gstreamer plugins pause for a little bit. I really would like to stick with PulseAudio this time. Is thig bug being worked on?
[17:06] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, can you give me that command too? i'd like to have it
[17:07] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, which, the package dump?
[17:07] <bsnider> yes
[17:07] <bsnider> i obviously suggest creating a separate partition for /home too
[17:08] <cwillu_remote> not a big fan of the seperate partition
[17:08] <bsnider> if you say so
[17:09] <cwillu_remote> and I do
[17:10] <bsnider> it makes reinstalling a half-hour job, assuming you have the package list and a cd already burned
[17:11] <cwillu_remote> ...and trivial /etc configuration
[17:12] <bsnider> i'm lcuky enough that i haven't had to screw with anything in there except for xorg.conf and the apt sources.list
[17:13]  * cwillu_remote has apache configs, ssl keys, a couple other odds and ends to worry about
[17:14] <cwillu_remote> they're just test and development configs, but I care enough about them to get a headache thinking about verifying they're working correctly
[17:14] <bsnider> well, at least you don't have any of that custom networking --bridging-- crap
[17:14] <cwillu_remote> heh
[17:14] <cwillu_remote> I would if I could
[17:14] <cwillu_remote> /etc/networking is utter crap for setting up bridging automatically
[17:15] <cwillu_remote> but there's really no other good way to let a bunch of vm's connect to the internet
[17:15] <bsnider> no kidding. and you need it if you choose to run any vms
[17:15] <bsnider> forget it. i'm not messing with it
[17:15] <cwillu_remote> I usually just configure it by hand
[17:16] <cwillu_remote> brctl addbr br0; brctl addif eth0; ifconfig br0 up; dhclient br0 rolls off the fingers :)
[17:16] <cwillu_remote> oops, forgot ifconfig eth0 promisc up :p
[17:16]  * cwillu_remote eagerly waits for network manager to grow bridge support
[17:17] <LogicalDash> I'm still having that problem with Enigmail where the window that asks for my passphrase won't accept input while I'm using SCIM.
[17:22]  * cwillu_remote glares at Cwiiis's back
[17:35] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, hmm
[17:36] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, I put the original libglx.so (stored in /usr/lib/nvidia/libglx.so.xorg-xserver) in to /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions
[17:36] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, and the xserver fires up
[17:36] <cwillu_remote> NVIDIA(0) in xorg.0.log, no errors on loading glx
[17:37] <cwillu_remote> but any glx clients segfault (but the server stays up)
[17:37] <Spike__> Anyone having issues with channels this morning for updating package repo?
[17:37] <Spike__> I'm getting 400 responses.
[17:37] <Spike__> Looking on forums, but don't see anything.
[17:38] <cwillu_remote> they segfault on libGL.so.1
[17:38] <cwillu_remote> or in, rather
[17:40] <cwillu_remote> and continuing in that manner gets those apps working
[17:42] <SaschaRed> for some reason since I have upgraded to intrepid my sessions on facebook are really freaking short
[17:42] <SaschaRed> like really short
[17:42] <SaschaRed> like 20 seconds
[17:42] <SaschaRed> using firefox
[17:42] <Spike__> It's working fine for me.
[17:42] <Spike__> No short sessions anywhere.
[17:43] <Spike__> Are you having any issues updating your package repo today?
[17:43] <SaschaRed> i will check
[17:44] <Spike__> Thanks, I'm getting invalid responses from all main servers for ibex as of this morning.
[17:44] <Spike__> Might be something up with my network though.
[17:44] <SaschaRed> i am complaining because it makes facebook unusable
[17:45] <SaschaRed> it is sure taking a while
[17:45] <Spike__> I haven't noticed anything like that, logged into facebook right now actually.  Might try doing a complete reinstall of FF.
[17:45] <SaschaRed> the repo update
[17:46] <Spike__> Yeah, it took awhile the first time, then started giving me this: root@jacktheripper:/home/spike# apt-get update
[17:46] <Spike__> E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message
[17:46] <Spike__> Now it just does that.
[17:46] <NET||abuse> hmm, i setup a printer with cups there,, dell 3115cn, every time i try to print it craps out at the printer wanting letter size paper,, can't seem to override that on the printer, and locally the printer setup says it's set to A4.. not sure what's happened here??
[17:46] <SaschaRed> is anyone else having issues playing video
[17:46] <Spike__> Check the printing setup on the program you're printing from, it might be set to letter.
[17:46] <SaschaRed> video files
[17:47] <Spike__> I was having issue until yesterday.  What chipset do you have?
[17:47] <Spike__> I'm running intel integrated, I think it's the 950.
[17:47] <SaschaRed> ATI Radeon X1400 mobility
[17:47] <SaschaRed> ok I have updates
[17:48] <Spike__> Hmm, something wrong with my system then.
[17:48] <Spike__> Probably my router.
[17:48]  * Spike__ goes upstairs and kicks the cisco.
[17:48] <SaschaRed> on something completly different, anyone psyched for the ubuntu based mini inspirions from dell
[17:48] <Spike__> I'm getting one, the 10" ones?
[17:49] <Spike__> My laptop right now is a 17", which is great, as it's my main machine, but, in the car and such, it's just too big.
[17:51] <^synax> Wine & Pulse Audio problems, anyone know why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/d7b2b682f
[17:57] <SaschaRed2> once again update manager crashed my network
[17:57] <SaschaRed2> it never used to do that
[17:58] <Spike__> Heh, I still can't get updates.
[17:58] <SaschaRed2> you try it via command line?
[17:58] <Spike__> Yeah.
[17:58] <SaschaRed2> that's what I am doing now
[17:58] <Spike__> I usually use apt-get instead of synaptic.
[17:58] <Spike__> I'm a convert from slackware and freebsd, so I'm more comfortable doing system level stuff thorugh the cli.
[17:58] <SaschaRed2> reboot time
[18:04] <SaschaRed2> still can't watch videos
[18:05] <SaschaRed2> witch if isn't fixed is enough to force me to go back to unbuntu 8.04
[18:10] <Spike__> Heh.
[18:10] <Spike__> It'll be fixed by the
[18:10] <Spike__> 31st.
[18:10] <Spike__> That's ibex's release right?
[18:10] <SaschaRed2> here's my bug report
[18:10] <Spike__> I gotta reboot now too.
[18:10] <Spike__> See if it fixes my update issue.
[18:12] <SaschaRed2> and I still have issues with facebook
[18:14] <SaschaRed2> what does this mean
[18:14] <SaschaRed2> The following packages have been kept back:
[18:14] <SaschaRed2>   linux-restricted-modules-rt
[18:16] <Spike__> Bah.
[18:16] <Pici> SaschaRed2: Usually means that while the package has an update, the dependencies are not yet satisfiable
[18:16] <Spike__> Still no update love.
[18:16] <Spike__> root@jacktheripper:/home/spike# apt-get update
[18:16] <Spike__> E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message
[18:16] <Spike__> E: Method gave invalid 400 URI Failure message
[18:16] <SaschaRed2> do i need that package
[18:24] <wolfeySI> how stable is this beta? i have to install it because of wireless driver
[18:24] <semslie> Hi, I have a problem that may very well not be ubuntu-related, but as I first experienced the problem after installing Intrepid beta-1, I thought I'd ask here first. Apologies if this isn't the right place.
[18:24] <semslie> when I boot up my screen stays black - doesn't display a single thing, right up until the point where the OS (windows or ubuntu) has reached the login screen, which possible works because it is changing the graphics mode?
[18:25] <SiON42X> wolfeySI:  I've had very few problems with the beta.
[18:25] <SiON42X> semslie:  Did you have a custom usplash on there pre-upgrade?
[18:25] <wolfeySI> semslie: probably VGA mode of kernel that your screen/graphic card doesnt support
[18:25] <wolfeySI> ?
[18:26] <SiON42X> semslie:   If you loaded StartUp-manager on there and made changes pre-upgrade, I've noticed you have to redo it after going to Intrepid.
[18:26] <webmaren> wolfeySI: I had some significant problems that made me switch from Gnome to KDE
[18:26] <webmaren> aand my sound is still patchy
[18:26] <wolfeySI>  webmaren well somebody could backport .27 kernel
[18:26] <webmaren> but it's been getting better
[18:26] <wolfeySI> :)
[18:26] <webmaren> wolfeySI: just wait for finalrelease in like a week
[18:26] <SiON42X> I've been having the weirdest issue with Intrepid...gedit has become horribly slow.
[18:27] <semslie> SiON42X: I dont think I had a custom usplash pre-upgrade.
[18:27] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[18:27] <wolfeySI> webmaren: and only have vista? NO WAY ;)
[18:27] <SiON42X> semslie:  Go to System | Administration, do you see StartUp-Manager there?
[18:27] <webmaren> semsile: have you tried purging and reinstalling usplash?
[18:27] <SiON42X> semslie:  Just wondering if you installed it.
[18:27] <SiON42X> Hi s0u][ight.
[18:28] <SiON42X> So anyone else had gedit problems since going to Intrepid?
[18:28] <semslie> SiON42X: To elaborate a bit, I had been experiencing this problem before installing intrepid. The reason I am asking here is that since installing it stays black, even once I've booted.
[18:28] <semslie> So the screen is black before Grub, and stays that way, making it very hard to debug
[18:29] <semslie> but I can still get into windows fine
[18:29] <webmaren> semslie: have you checked launchpad?
[18:29] <s0u][ight> i have just installed fluid-soundfont-gm but i don't know where it extracted the fonts :s
[18:29] <s0u][ight> how can i trace it
[18:30] <SiON42X> semslie:  Gotcha...BootUp-Manager and StartUp-Manager would probably give you some good hints for debugging.  You may want to install those.
[18:30] <webmaren> semslie: can you get into CLI
[18:31] <semslie> webmaren: no, not even CLI :(
[18:31] <SiON42X> s0u][ight:  Go to Synaptic, find the package you installed, right click on it and go to Properties, use the Installed Files tab.
[18:31] <webmaren> semslie: what GPU do you have, and what screen
[18:31] <s0u][ight> SiON42X, tnx ;) never using gui interfaces so didn't think of it tnx
[18:31] <SiON42X> s0u][ight:  I'm sure there's a text mode but I'm lazy.  :-D
[18:32] <semslie> webmaren: I'm running a Toshiba Satallite P100 laptop, which is running a Geforce Go 7600 if memory serves
[18:33] <semslie> webmaren: I am aware that this is almost certainly not just an intrepid problem, but something seriously wrong with the bios to prevent me from seeing anything on the screen at all, even before Grub, but I'm getting a bit desperate and could use a bit of help. However, intrepid does play a role as the screen used to reset and display under hardy.
[18:34] <webmaren> semslie: can you test with another monitor or GPU?
[18:34] <^synax> Having problems getting Wine to work with PulseAudio..
[18:34] <SiON42X> semslie:  Do you have bootlogd turned on?
[18:35] <Ktron> GDM is rendering the left half of twice my screens width, so the resolution is correct but the login box is half off-screen-- any ideas?
[18:35] <s0u][ight> SiON42X, it worked :D
[18:35] <semslie> webmaren: I've got pretty limited resources where I am, so not at the moment. But I *might* be able to get onto the network and ssh in.
[18:35] <s0u][ight> now i have a virtual piano working tnx to you :D
[18:35] <webmaren> SiON42X: he can't get into Linux, so he can't do anything in there
[18:35] <SiON42X> s0u][ight:  Haha, great.
[18:35] <semslie> SiON42X: not unless it is on by default
[18:35] <semslie> SiON42X: I could check it out from windows. Where would I find the log file?
[18:35] <SiON42X> Wait.
[18:35] <SiON42X> Which Windows?
[18:36] <webmaren> open up /etc/default/bootlogd
[18:36] <webmaren> semslie: then change "No" to "Yes"
[18:36] <SiON42X> Two things you can try... 1) see if a Live CD shows more than black, 2) delete the MBR in Windows and set up dual booting through there instead of grub.
[18:36] <SiON42X> Oh yeah, and turning on bootlogd would be good too.  :)
[18:37] <webmaren> then boot to ubuntu, sit there for a bit
[18:37] <webmaren> turn it off, go back to windows, and then pastebin /var/log/boot
[18:39] <semslie> webmaren: okay, I'll do that. can you recommend something for windows that can write to ext2?
[18:39] <webmaren> http://www.fs-driver.org/
[18:39] <webmaren> google loves me
[18:42] <^synax> Anyone know how to get ALSA/Pulse to work with Wine?
[18:42] <SiON42X> God I love me some bugtracker.
[18:42] <SiON42X> Found out why gedit is slow on Intrepid...File Browser plugin.
[18:43] <SiON42X> Damn them.
[18:43] <SiON42X> Err, darn them.
[18:45] <marshall> hey guys
[18:45] <webmaren> greetings, how goes it with the Ibex?
[18:45] <marshall> I've installed mixx from the repos, im not getting and sound from it. I believe ive got the right output devices selected
[18:49] <SiON42X> Sorry, never played with mixxx.
[18:52] <Spike__> Hmm.
[18:52] <Spike__> playdeb caused my issue.
[18:57] <^synax> PulseAudio default keeps changing back to the other audio device after rebooting, is there a way to make what I want, to stay the default device?
[18:58] <marshall> could it be that pulseaudio isnt handling mixxx output because it uses alsa?
[19:07] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, did you ever fix it?
[19:07] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, still poking at it
[19:08] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, look through the ltrace of Xorg, it actually segfaults again in the segfault handler :p
[19:09] <cwillu_remote> played with the nvidia installer, it was crapping out due to an extra libnvidiatls library that it was installing
[19:09] <cwillu_remote> running their installer with --force-tls=yes let it continue
[19:09] <bsnider> what about envy?
[19:10] <cwillu_remote> haven't tried it yet
[19:10] <bsnider> maybe alberto knows something about it, but i doubt it
[19:12] <ronny> yo
[19:12]  * cwillu_remote fires up envyng
[19:12] <ronny> anyone got an idea what could cause gnome to kill wpa enterprise connections in network-manager?
[19:13] <ronny> if i use network-manager in fluxbox, my uni wlan works fine, in gnome i get strange disconnects
[19:15] <cwillu_remote> envyng strikes out
[19:16] <cwillu_remote> bsnider, I can get the nvidia driver working if I pull out glx from /usr/lib/xorgs/modules/extensions/ (minus 3d, obviously)
[19:16] <bsnider> might as well use nv
[19:16] <cwillu_remote> well, nv doesn't want to drive my second monitor
[19:17] <bsnider> it did drive my tv one time
[19:17] <bsnider> ronny, those don't work. there's a bug for it
[19:18] <ronny> bsnider: hu?
[19:18] <bsnider> wpa enterprise doesn't currently work
[19:18] <ronny> bsnider: then why does it work fine under fluxbox ?!
[19:18] <bsnider> i don't know
[19:19] <ronny> well, another issue pushed me to fluxbox - my gnome lacks window-decorations, and starts all windows maximized
[19:19] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/284951 - Please help, any ideas??
[19:19] <ronny> any idea how to fix that stuff ?
[19:20] <bsnider> ronny, bug 272185
[19:20] <bsnider> amongst others
[19:22] <bsnider> ronny, the window decoration thing is also a known bug
[19:22] <ronny> bsnider: when did that happen ?
[19:22] <ronny> im in search for workarounds
[19:22] <semslie> webmaren: var/log/boot says: "(Nothing has been logged yet)"
[19:22] <bsnider> know not, do i.
[19:24] <ronny> hmm, i think i'll stick to fluxbox - wpa enterprise works there
[19:24] <cwillu_remote> ronny, if you don't mind, find the bugreport he was talking about, and tell them it works under flux box.  It may help narrow things down
[19:24] <semslie> webmaren: /etc/default/bootlogd has definitely been set to "Yes", so thats a bit odd
[19:25] <ronny> cwillu_remote: did that already
[19:25] <bsnider> ronny, is flux using the new network manager?
[19:25] <bsnider> the .7 series?
[19:25] <ronny> bsnider: i just started nm-applet
[19:25] <ronny> its versio 0.7
[19:25] <bsnider> well good for them
[19:26] <ronny> bsnider: i think nm chokes on dbus stuff somehow
[19:28] <ronny> well, i cant replicate
[19:38] <cypherdelic> Ive updated bugdescription with more info from my Xorg.0.log, see if you can help, please! https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/284951
[19:42] <joshual> ﻿does anyone know if the anon-proxy package works? if so how? I've installed it...
[19:57] <wtgee> Hello all...when Authorizations asks me for a password it is not working any longer.
[19:57] <wtgee> And I retyped my password at least a 100 times.
[19:57] <wtgee> Real slow like so I knew I wasn't doing it wrong.
[20:00] <mroc> this should be an easy one....i have ubuntu installed and decided to see what kde is like....so i installed kubuntu-desktop.  now my boot splash screen is kubuntu, i have random kde apps starting when i run gnome (knetwork-manager always runs alongside network-manager), and my hibernate no longer works.  how can i fix these things?
[20:08] <bleaked> will there be qtcurve support in ibex?
[20:56] <smil3y> does anyone know if something changed in /etc/fstab in intrepid vs. hardy?  my nas mount for mythbox no longer works after upgrading, worked fine through gutsy and hardy.   //192.168.1.105/nas/video /home/steve/video cifs  username=steve
[20:58] <jerbear> any idea when will openoffice 3 might make it into the repos?
[20:59] <adz21c> Hi, I am running a Xonar D2 and since switching to 8.10 my sound card has stopped working. I had tried alsa 1.0.17 in hardy and the sound card worked (not amazingly, but it was atleast ok and could do spdif passthrough fine) but not in interpid, anyone have any ideas why?
[21:18] <cwillu_remote> hmm
[21:18] <cwillu_remote> firefox picked up some blurry fonts for some reason
[21:22] <slestak> i have an inspiron 1505 ive been using to test II on.  i have had alpha6 and beta in a partition.  with beta, it seems to freeze on warm reboot with progress bar ~20% complete
[21:22] <slestak> is it possible to suppress the progress bar and see all of upstart output?
[21:22] <slestak> it boots fine from cold boot, hangs consistently on warm reboot
[21:28] <bleaked> so i really don't like kde4, how it works, looks, etc.. BIG kde3 fan, and one who desires fresh software.. so do I suffer with kde4, move to gnome, or is there a way to keep kde3 and still get other updates meant for ibex?
[21:29] <slestak> i just realized i haven't apt-get updated since installing, lemme patch this thing and see if it is consistent.
[21:29] <slestak> i think this is an instance of bug 274155
[21:31] <slestak> bleaked: it wouldn't surprise me that if there is a demand, someone will take up the torch, or at least maintain the last stable kde3 apps and libraries.  may not be kubuntu, or any buntu, but maybe a distro that doesn;t exist yet
[21:31] <joshual> does anyone use a gnome menu alternative?
[21:32] <slestak> joshual: i have used awn a bit.
[21:32] <joshual> slestak: thought that was a bar, not a menu?
[21:32] <slestak> joshual: you are right, sorry
[21:32] <slestak> hmm, apt authentication issue with new ii beta install
[21:35] <slestak> anyone else seeing an repo signature failure from the us.archive.ubuntu.com server?
[21:39] <mroc> hi all.  let's just say, for fun, that gtk-window-decorator is not appearing as an option in fusion-icon when running compiz.  how do i fix this?
[21:54] <bsnider> cwillu_remote, how's it coming along?
[22:00] <frevi645> hi! I need help with kernel compilation under the 8.10 beta.
[22:03] <frevi645> I try to make-kpkg but it complains about missing rule for XEN (I'm on amd64 and I don't want any xen support). Can anyone help?
[22:05] <thenetduck> Hey, does anyone know if I install Hardy Heron with a / /home and /opt parition with full disk encryption will i have to re-format my computer when I install 8.10 ?
[22:06] <spartan> you can upgrade directly within hardy, but i dont know about a fresh install
[22:06] <frevi645> please?
[22:13] <frevi645> nevermind, think I solved it
[22:44] <fridge> I'm encountering a strange problem, when I'm on 2.6.24-19-generic everything is fine, but when I upgraded to 2.6.27-7-generic, I can connect to other networked hosts within my lan, but everytime I try and connect to a server outside of my LAN, the connection appears to get stuck in the SYN_SENT state -- does anyone know what could have changed between these two versions to have caused this?
[22:46] <sorush20> can I have two network connections on my kubuntu box?
[22:46] <sorush20> ?
[22:46] <sorush20> one wireless and one not wireless?
[22:47] <fridge> yes
[22:47] <crimsun> fridge: we need a lot more detail
[22:47] <crimsun> fridge: do you have an active iptables ruleset?
[22:48] <mroc1> ok.  help.  please.  headphone port stopped working on upgrade to intrepid.  not sure where to begin trying to fix this.
[22:48] <crimsun> fridge: which network driver is this?
[22:48] <fridge> crimsun: no, no iptables, and I have 2 machines that this happens to
[22:48] <crimsun> mroc1: grab http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh and run it using bash
[22:48] <mroc1> crimsun: that's it?
[22:49] <SalentinoBonito> hi all
[22:49] <fridge> 8139too on one server, r8169 on the other
[22:49] <SalentinoBonito> any of use is using ubuntu 8.10? i need to know wich wallpaper is set by default
[22:50] <bsnider> it's called ubuntu.png
[22:50] <crimsun> mroc1: got the url yet?
[22:51] <mroc1> crimsun: got it.  http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=9630e83e057c0904ba24a53a909ce0b6bf816640
[22:51] <fridge> "Bridge firewalling registered" < found that in dmesg when the server is running the newer kernel
[22:51] <crimsun> mroc1: I'll look in a few minutes
[22:52] <mroc1> crimsun: ok, thanks.
[22:55] <SalentinoBonito> what is the default wallpaper of ubuntu 8.20?
[22:55] <SalentinoBonito> 8.10*
[22:55] <bsnider> it's called ubuntu.png
[22:56] <SalentinoBonito> bsnider can you send me?
[22:56] <bsnider> no
[22:57] <SalentinoBonito> why not?
[22:58] <bsnider> because you can google it
[22:58] <SalentinoBonito> i'm googling since this morning...
[22:59] <bsnider> it looks like a coffee stain on a golden concrete slab. it's not a big deal
[23:00] <SalentinoBonito> :-(
[23:00] <sorush20> hi is this possible guys?
[23:00] <mroc1> while i'm hanging out waiting for crimsun, anyone know what controls the alt + scroll wheel transparency setting ?  it seems to not be active for me.
[23:02] <siegie> I'm using Intrepid at the moment and i'm playing a bit with kwin. It seems that the looking glas and the sharpen desktop plugin can freeze my desktop. I think i'm suffering from this bug http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/385488-gdb-help-backtrace-kwin-kde4-04-bug-still-present.html
[23:02] <sorush20> mroc1: you have to activate transparency settings and possible compiz or bryle
[23:02] <sorush20> siegie: did you post that?
[23:03] <siegie> sorush20: no its just a post i found when searching for the bug
[23:03] <mroc1> sorush20: i have compiz active + the three fusion plugin packages installed, but i don't know where to toggle this setting
[23:04] <sorush20> siegie: have you submitted the bug.. and can you live with it for a while until its sorted out as I think its just below critical
[23:05] <siegie> sorush20: i'm testing a little more at the moment,
[23:05] <sorush20> http://img521.imageshack.us/my.php?image=kscan0001xv9.jpg
[23:06] <sorush20> siegie: how many times out of ten is it reproduceable?
[23:06] <sorush20> siegie: my recommendation is that not to waste time trying to debug if your busy.. just report it
[23:07] <siegie> sorush20: every time i activate the plugin, (but i can be nvidia related)
[23:08] <sorush20> mroc1: oh okay.. well I think that would be too heavy for my computer to look into for you as I would have to install them and run them and I don't have ati proprietory drivers to allow perfect effects and I might risk my computer malfuntioning.. you could try looking for how to or going to kubuntu documentation.. I can help with ath
[23:10] <mroc1> sorush20: no problem.  i'll look into it more on my own later.  it wasn't pressing.  i'm just hanging out waiting for crimsun to get a chance to help me with my headphone port not working.  thanks for your help though.
[23:12] <siegie> sorush20: but thanks for the advice
[23:12] <mroc1> crimsun: not to bug you, but will you have a chance to help soon?  i'm going to have to leave soon (and be w/out internet for the weekend).
[23:13] <crimsun> mroc1: try model=ref
[23:13] <sorush20> mroc1: I don't know which one is which no.. siegie you had the graphical problem?
[23:14] <mroc1> crimsun: where am i changing this?
[23:16] <sorush20> mroc1: this is a place you can follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion I think you've done that already
[23:16] <crimsun> mroc1: in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base, or on the command line.
[23:17] <crimsun> mroc1: for the former, echo options snd-hda-intel model=ref|sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base
[23:18] <crimsun> (you'll need to reboot, or use sudo /sbin/alsa force-reload)
[23:20] <mroc1> crimsun: ran "echo ..." command and reloaded alsa.  still no go on headphones.  reboot?
[23:20] <danbh_intrepid> anyone know how to recover from a crashed install? http://paste.ubuntu.com/59006/
[23:20] <crimsun> mroc1: yes
[23:22] <Sindwiller> btw, is Intrepid running PulseAudio?
[23:22] <crimsun> yes
[23:23] <edgy> Sindwiller: if you runs ubuntu not kubuntu
[23:23] <Sindwiller> edgy: I see
[23:23] <Sindwiller> I'm running KDE4
[23:23] <Sindwiller> :(
[23:24] <edgy> Sindwiller: then you have phonon
[23:26] <mroc> crimsun: rebooted, still no go on sound.  laptop speakers are putting out the sound still even with headphones plugged in.  other ideas?  different model to try?
[23:26] <crimsun> mroc: possibly.  What make & model laptop is this?
[23:27] <mroc> crimsun: gateway m-1617
[23:28] <crimsun> blasted gateways.
[23:28] <Sindwiller> ugh
[23:28] <Sindwiller> I just found what I wanted
[23:28] <Sindwiller> had to check "Show Advanced Devices"
[23:28] <Sindwiller> ....effin' Phonon :P
[23:29] <mroc> crimsun: agreed.  but the price was amazing.
[23:32] <Sindwiller> ...or not
[23:32] <crimsun> a good price doesn't best shite hw
[23:32] <crimsun> not saying yours is shite, just the sound hw
[23:32] <bsnider> gateway makes great doorstops
[23:33] <mroc> crimsun: yeah.  it's always been good besides the sound.  sound worked in hardy.
[23:35] <mroc> crimsun: actually....i just checked back....to get sound working properly, i had to install the linux-backports-modules-generic package i believe.
[23:36] <mroc> crimsun: (that was in hardy)
[23:36] <crimsun> that's a regression, then
[23:37] <mroc> crimsun: was my model set to gateway before we changed it to ref?
[23:41] <mroc> crimsun: well, didn't reboot, but i used the commands you suggested before to set model to gateway and reload alsa, no go.
[23:42] <crimsun> mroc: it wasn't set to anything if you didn't manually set it.
[23:42] <exco> can I somewhere lookup the messages that go by when booting up?
[23:43] <crimsun> mroc: also, there's no such model quirk defined as "gateway" for your codec model and revision
[23:44] <mroc> crimsun: hmm...ok.  there's a post from back in march or so for hardy that supposedly solved a sound problem on this model by setting model to gateway.  link here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=704517   last post on the page.
[23:46] <crimsun> mroc: the 1617s have three different HDA codecs
[23:46] <crimsun> the "gateway" model quirk is only defined (and relevant) for one
[23:47] <mroc> crimsun: ok.  so are there two more options to try or am i misunderstanding you?
[23:47] <crimsun> mroc: there are no more.
[23:48] <crimsun> mroc: (you don't have a Realtek or Conexant codec)
[23:48] <mroc> crimsun: well then....i guess i wait for this regression to get fixed?
[23:49] <crimsun> yes
[23:49] <mroc> crimsun: thanks so much for your help.  it's much appreciated.
[23:49] <crimsun> I can't promise I can address it before intrepid releases, but I'll set aside some time this weekend to look
[23:49] <mroc> crimsun: i'm sure there are more pressing matters for intrepid than that.  i can be patient.