=== Popkid is now known as popholio === LjL-Temp is now known as LjL [21:33] AlexC: I understand you've tried displayconfig-gtk [21:33] yes [21:33] AlexC: did you find a display setting there that matched your monitor? [21:34] I also tried renaming xorg,.conf to xorg,conf.save and restarting X [21:34] TY=The highest choices offered are 1280x1024 and 1400x800 [21:35] I have selected as my monitor LCD 1680x1050 [21:35] My video driver is for ATI Radeon [21:35] It should work. But it doesnt [21:35] AlexC: did you change the Model setting away from "Plug and Play"? [21:35] Yes. [21:35] I have selected as my monitor LCD 1680x1050 [21:36] I restarted and rebooted several times [21:36] What did you do after that? [21:36] Did you click on Test ? [21:36] then I went into preferences->Screen Resolution but the highest resolution offered remains 1280x1024 [21:36] Please, for now, answer only my questions [21:37] Did you click on Test ? [21:37] Yes [21:37] What happened? [21:37] It displayed a grey hash pattern and asked if I wanted to save my settings. I said yes. [21:38] Okay. Are you at the poor resolution right now? [21:38] I am at 1280x1024. There is a 1440x900 option also. [21:39] Okay. When you do 'gksudo displayconfig-gtk' now, does it still show LCD 1680x1024 under Model? [21:39] I have just switched to 1440x900. I dopnt like this one either.. [21:39] let me try [21:39] AlexC: can you please, just while I'm helping you, not do anything other than what's in my train of thought? [21:40] yes it still shows LCD Panel 1680x1050 [21:40] (sorry) [21:40] Okay, good. [21:40] Please put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf on a pastebin so I can have a look at it. [21:41] Sure. (refresh my memory - what is the link to pastbin? [21:41] !pastebin [21:41] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [21:42] Oh, ubottu's here, too. Good [21:42] ubot5`: Hi [21:42] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-classroom! [21:43] Its there [21:43] AlexC: you know the drill [21:43] I need the link [21:43] Oops [21:44] I am looking for the link url but not finding it. [21:45] You just pasted it, didn't you? In Firefox? [21:45] Yes [21:45] So look in the location bar [21:45] It shows on the left under Alex Chigos [21:46] http://pastebin.com/m332691d4 [21:46] Sorry [21:46] I am very frustrated. Not at my best [21:47] Where do these modelines come from? Did you put them in by hand? [21:47] Line 62 to 71 [21:47] *Lines [21:47] Nope. I tried that but it didnt work. This xorg.conf was automatically generated after renaming my original file. === Rafik_ is now known as Rafik [21:48] It's strange that it doesn't have a mode for the resolution you want [21:48] Would you mind starting from scratch? [21:48] By the way. that 1400x1050@60 never appears as an option in either displayconfig-gtk or Preferences->tion [21:48] Sure [21:48] Please tell me what to do. [21:49] Okay, exit displayconfig if you haven't already [21:49] I have [21:49] AlexC: in terminal, do mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup-pre-soundray [21:49] sorry [21:49] OK [21:49] AlexC: in terminal, do sudo mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf-backup-pre-soundray [21:50] done [21:50] Now run 'gksudo displayconfig-gtk' again. Model should be "Plug & Play" again. [21:51] Nw says unknown [21:51] No says unknown [21:51] Ah [21:51] (encouraging sound) [21:51] Okay, just click on it and select LCD panel 1680x1024 again (that's your native resolution, correct?) [21:51] OK [21:52] done [21:52] Don't bother with Test, just save and pastebin me your new /etc/X11/xorg.conf [21:53] http://pastebin.com/d585b1f14 [21:54] Okay, that's annoying... it's back to what it was. [21:54] Ah (more encouraging sound) [21:55] Shall we try and insert a mode for 1680x1024 manually? [21:55] Lets [21:55] Please guide me [21:55] The alternative would be for you to look into an ATI proprietary thing called Catalyst, which I know nothing about [21:55] I am editing the file now [21:55] Catalyst is for windows (I thiink) [21:56] I've heard they have it for Linux as well now [21:56] I have been through this with red hat. I got it to work by editing xorg,.conf manually [21:56] Okay, give me a minute to find a proper modeline [21:56] I tried copying the lines from my red hat machine into my ubuntu machine but it did not help [21:59] Do you have that version of xorg.conf still? [22:00] I think so [22:00] Do you want me to pastebin it? [22:00] Yes, if it's reasonably easy to find [22:01] Would you like the entire reed hat xorg.conf or the modified ubuntu one with the correct video driver entries? [22:01] modified ubuntu one [22:01] OK [22:03] http://pastebin.com/m48a8fa0d [22:04] Theres a slight strangeness in that the modeline for 1680 has no hsync/vsync appendix [22:05] You didn't just miss that from the original -- did you? [22:05] I noticed that. I suspect it has to do with the different versions of xorg between Red Hat EL ES 4 and Ubuntu 8.02 [22:06] Is the file truncated in the post? [22:06] Yes [22:06] Let me post it again [22:06] And it's word-wrapped [22:08] http://pastebin.com/m7bdb4e7d [22:08] I dont know about the word wrap. I am editing in a terminal window. That is what it does. [22:08] In the file it is not wrapped. [22:09] Now it's more truncated [22:09] Do a 'cat /path/filename' and highlight that to paste [22:09] When I click on the link ai just sent you, it appears to be complete. [22:10] Okay [22:11] I'd like to see the log when you use this config. [22:12] Can you make it current, restart X and pastebin the output from [22:12] grep 1680 /var/log/Xorg.0.log [22:12] Should I copy it over and restart X then come back to the #ubuntu-classroom [22:12] Yes, please [22:12] OK [22:12] I'll wait [22:17] http://pastebin.com/m620a8c96 [22:17] Soundray - still there? [22:17] Yes [22:18] just the lines containig 1680 [22:19] It looks all good... Still no 1680 in System-Preferences-Screen Resolution? [22:19] Nope - just checked [22:20] Do you have the model name of the LCD panel there? [22:20] I think so [22:21] Are you going to tell me? [22:22] I had to get a magnifying glass. There is no model number printed on the monitor front or back [22:22] Neither on the box [22:22] Let me check the invoice [22:23] Do you get any output when you run xrandr ? [22:23] E2009FP [22:24] yes [22:24] I will post it [22:24] Please [22:24] http://pastebin.com/m6cc8cbf [22:25] What happens when you do [22:26] ? [22:26] xrandr --output VGA-0 --auto [22:26] Not even a blink [22:26] Nothing changes [22:27] Can I specify the resolution in xrandr [22:27] yes [22:27] I have to read up how [22:28] I tried $xrandr -s 1680x1050 [22:28] got Size 1680x1050 not found in available modes [22:29] Yeah [22:29] It's listed as the maximum, but it's not listed as a possible mode [22:29] Could you send me your entire /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? [22:29] It is interesting that it says Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 1280 x 1024, maximum 1680 x 1050 but then does not list 1680x1050 in mode list [22:30] You can use https://fileexchange.imperial.ac.uk if it's too big for pastebin [22:30] Yes, indeed [22:30] That's why I think another look at the log is in order [22:31] Your email address is requuested [22:31] soundray at imperial ac uk [22:32] is that soundray@imperial_ac.uk? [22:32] AlexC: no [22:32] You're not meant to repeat it here [22:32] Why do you think I obfuscated it? [22:32] Sorry, it is asking me to put something there. [22:32] Look at the https address, that should give you a clue [22:33] gotit [22:33] This channel is publicly logged. You've just tripled my spam volume [22:36] https://fileexchange.imperial.ac.uk/int/3a6b1da3d43/Xorg.0.log [22:36] I am so very sorry [22:38] It's very weird. All it ever says is that 1680x1050 is supported, so it should be fine -- but it obviously isn't [22:39] If it was my computer, I'd try the proprietary ATI driver next. [22:39] Do you want instructions for that? [22:39] Please [22:40] System-Administration-Hardware Drivers -- enable the ATI driver and follow the instructions. You will probably have to log out and back in -- I'll hang around. [22:40] Might even ask you to reboot [22:42] When I do System->Admin->Hardware Drivers I get a window that is somewhat empty and says No proprietry drivers are in use on this system. [22:42] Dang [22:42] My sentiments exactly [22:43] Maybe envyng would force it [22:43] but I have no experience with it [22:43] Should be straightforward, though [22:43] envying? [22:43] envyng [22:43] !info envyng [22:43] apt-get install envyng? [22:44] Think so -- hold on... [22:44] !info envyng-gtk [22:44] Bot is dead. [22:44] apt-get install envyng-gtk should do it [22:44] it is now installed. [22:45] cool [22:45] Is it running? [22:46] running it now [22:46] It is downloading something [22:46] Yes, that's what it's for [22:46] building . . . [22:46] The latest ATI Linux driver [22:47] complete restarting - be right back [22:54] soundray are you there [22:54] Yes [22:55] I rebooted. It came up at 640x480. I run displayconfig-gtk and selected 1280x1024 [22:56] Depressing [22:56] I then tried to run catalyst and it said there was a problem initializing the catalyst driver [22:56] No ATI graphics driver is installed or the ATI driver is not functioning properly [22:57] I've been thinking that there might be a hardware initialization issue [22:57] Oh envyng hasn't done its job properly either, then [22:57] Please install the ATI driver appropriate for your harware or configure it with aticonfig [22:57] aticonfig gives me 8 pages of usage notes [22:57] Yeah, that one's horrible [22:57] I tried aticonfig --initial and got seg fault [22:58] Here's another thing to try [22:58] Assuming that it's initialization trouble [22:59] should I re,pve envyng? [22:59] Do you know how to set a boot option? [22:59] can you be more specific? [22:59] AlexC: I don't think it's done anything, so you might keep it around for when a driver becomes available [22:59] I can press esc at grub to go into the menu. [23:00] AlexC: yes, that's what I'd like you to try [23:00] Then I think I press E to edit the kernel line [23:00] then hit E on the default boot entry to edit, [23:00] What should I append [23:00] then E again on the kernel line [23:00] hold on... [23:01] Do you think envyng will interfere? [23:01] No [23:01] OK [23:02] vga=866 [23:02] OK [23:02] I will be right back [23:02] It's a bit of a shot in the dark [23:10] Hi Soundray [23:11] Hi Soundray [23:13] Here I am [23:13] Here we all are [23:13] Soundray, alexc [23:13] Hello [23:13] It's strange that [23:13] Wherever you go there you are [23:13] The page you gave me is 404 [23:13] Hi DarkGu1 [23:13] Buckaroo Banzai was right [23:13] hey [23:13] ??? [23:13] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions [23:13] Works here [23:14] Soundray - it didnt like that video mode. It gave me the option to scan which I tried. I then chose the highest option it offered me [23:14] AlexC: this was about initialisation of the monitor [23:14] That scrambled my screen [23:14] I was able to go to Alt-F1 and copy my xorg.conf back and reboot [23:14] I am back to 1280x1024 [23:15] AlexC: what's your monitors maker [23:15] Dell [23:15] AlexC: I was hoping that being initialised with vga=866 would make it more cooperative [23:15] I suspect it may be a samsung oem [23:15] soundray: I'm going to reboot. Wait here [23:15] Oh, I've got an order [23:15] Yes but it rejected that mode and offered me other choices [23:15] AlexC: I see [23:16] scan listed my choices [23:16] I had to pick something so I chose the highest number [23:16] What was that? [23:16] Perhaps not the best choice [23:16] I dont know [23:16] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers [23:16] My short term memory isn't what it used to be [23:17] How old are you? [23:17] none of those was listed as a choice [23:17] (from your link) [23:17] No, they are graphical modes [23:17] scan only lists text modes [23:17] only text modes ie e 162 132x44 [23:19] It did say mode 866 not available [23:19] I am 52 [23:19] I am a Python (pygtk) and C developer [23:19] I have been programming since 1980 [23:19] I am usually pretty good at this kindd of thing [23:20] I started programming in 1980 :) [23:20] I only use the irc as a last resort after exhausting my other choices including google [23:20] Didn't keep it up, though [23:20] No I am very active [23:20] All I write these days are bash scriptes [23:20] I am not near a pen and paper and did not write it down [23:20] soundray [23:20] *scripts [23:20] Did you say vga=866 [23:20] yes [23:20] yes [23:21] It wouldn't let me do it [23:21] Said unrecognized or something [23:21] Well, it wasn't the best choice [23:21] yes - mode 866 not available - then it listed about 8 modes + scan [23:21] Any other options? [23:21] I chose scan [23:21] 791 should work everywhere [23:21] I got a list of text modes [23:21] I chose one [23:21] I doubt a boot option will help [23:22] So do you want me to try again with 791? [23:22] 791 is 1024x768 at 16bit [23:22] I can already get that [23:22] DarkGu1: I've fixed at least one strangely behaving machine with that [23:22] soundray: But I need 1400by1500 with 24 bit [23:22] That number keeps changing, DarkGu1 [23:23] What number? [23:23] I guess you mean 1440x1050 [23:23] Remember that xrandr said my monitor could do 1680 x 1050 but did not list that option [23:23] No I don't [23:23] I mean 1400by1050 [23:24] AlexC: DarkGu1's xrandr says maximum 1280x800 [23:24] It's all too weird for me [23:24] Sorry I couldn't help guys [23:24] Dang [23:24] Are the two sound rays the same [23:24] DarkGu1: are there two of me? [23:24] Yes, on e gold, one green [23:25] Things are getting ever weirder [23:25] soundray - are you part of the ubuntu dev team? [23:25] No [23:25] double dang [23:26] I wish I could find a regular 19" monitor (not wide) [23:26] They seem to have stopped making them [23:26] This machine is for a customer and is scheduled to be installed monday morning [23:26] I will have a difficult tome dancing arouind this [23:26] I will have a difficult time dancing arouind this [23:27] I have been on the ubuntu page since 1:00 EST trying to fix this. It is now 6:25 [23:27] thats a long time with no results. [23:27] I very much appreciate your help. [23:27] Agreed [23:28] Is the graphics card very recent? [23:28] I thought ubuntu was "the linux that just works" [23:28] No [23:28] Graphics is always a problem, esp. ATI and NVidia [23:29] I have been installing this exact configuration (Dell Power Edge Server SC1430) with Red Hat Enterpreise Linux for at least 2 years. Red Hat works with this config [23:29] If not ATI and nVidia, then what? [23:29] Intel worked out of the box for me [23:29] Are they not the two most popular video cards in the industry? [23:29] They certainly are [23:30] So the guys at Ubuntu just thought they would ignore that fact? [23:30] And they happen to be made by the most un-enlightened companies around, as far as free software is concerned [23:30] Ore the guys at xorg [23:30] It's not a lack of effort on Ubuntu's part [23:30] How about Dell? [23:30] Maybe someone should let them klnow [23:31] You can't write a free video driver without open specifications [23:31] Oh, they are being told all the time [23:31] Again, the most popular manufacturer in ths business [23:31] Torvalds has threatened closing the kernel API to proprietary modules [23:31] That will driver more people away from linux [23:32] Possibly [23:32] Well, the fact that it hasn't happened says something [23:32] I think Linux is a pretty smart guy. [23:32] I think Linus is a pretty smart guy. [23:33] But there are vocal hardliners among the kernel devs who wouldn't give a toss about popularity [23:33] I do have a problem with the kernel versioning thing! [23:33] Yeah, and he's only 13 [23:33] I used to be able to run one version of my X-Med software on any rev of modern linux [23:34] Now I must compile on 4 different machines [23:34] argh [23:34] Medical practice software? [23:34] yes [23:34] Cool [23:34] I'm a doctor [23:34] X-Med is written in C [23:35] my new product, Cybax is written in pygtk [23:35] It runs on linux, mac and windows [23:35] This server will be running X-Med [23:35] cybax is still being developd [23:36] It is very cool [23:36] What kind of doctor? [23:36] Is it for appointments and such, or for medical records as well? [23:36] Radiologist [23:36] All of the above - including medical records, billing, appointments and document management [23:36] Do you know ali? [23:37] HL7 compliant? [23:37] No [23:37] He is an anesthesiologist in the UK [23:37] On IRC? [23:37] X-Med is Hl7 compliant. Cybax will be [23:37] Wow, that must have been hard work... [23:38] Yes - I wrote X-Med single handedly [23:38] I have help with Cybax [23:38] We are using an indian outsourcing company and one of my partners is an ophthalmologist/prrogrammer [23:38] I worked for a company once who were selling image management software [23:38] What software? [23:39] Cameleo [23:39] ? [23:39] They were aiming to make it HL7 compliant, but went bust before they could :) [23:39] I see [23:39] I am waiting for a rediologist to read an MRI I had today [23:40] on my right medial malleolus [23:40] Oh -- nothing bad I hope [23:40] to rule out osteomyelitis [23:40] Bad twisted ankle? [23:40] I have an ulcer that has fusarium fungus in it [23:41] Nasty [23:41] My infectious disease doctor wants to be sure it is not in the bone before she prescrribes mefs [23:41] My infectious disease doctor wants to be sure it is not in the bone before she prescrribes meds [23:41] I hope not [23:41] I bet the med students are all keen to see you [23:41] I saw the images - there were no obvious lights or dark spots on the malleolus that I could see [23:42] But I am not a doctor [23:42] I just make it a point to understand things about my body (and others) [23:42] It would be rare for a fungal ulcer to penetrate into the bone [23:42] I was a pre-veteranary student when I got stupid and got married [23:42] That's encouraging [23:43] My ID dr is just being through [23:43] My ID dr is just being thorough [23:43]