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pleia2ok, meeting time!00:00
darkholeHi.00:00
pleia2who all from the council is about?00:00
pleia2atoponce, pedro_00:01
pleia2vorian?00:01
atoponcepresent00:01
* pedro_ waves00:01
pleia2ok, we have quorum!00:05
cody-somerville\o/00:05
MagicFabhi all00:06
atoponcesweet00:06
darkholehi00:06
MagicFab4:30am here in Delhi, hoping it's worth it :)00:06
pleia2hollman: are you here?00:07
atoponceit's alwaysworth it00:07
hollmanye00:07
hollman*yes00:07
hollmanhello00:07
pleia2hollman: ok, you're up :)00:07
pleia2brief intro + links please00:07
hollmanok00:07
pleia2hollman?00:09
atoponcehollman: still with us?00:10
hollmanHollman enciso from Bogota Colombia, estudent before of Ing. of systems contact administrator Ur-Co00:10
hollmanhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~hollman00:10
hollmanhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/HollmanEnciso00:10
MagicFabhollman has been my protege for some time now :) he ROCKS - I passed him the torch when I stepped down being a loco contact for u-co00:11
hollman:D00:12
MagicFabhe's a bit English-shy so be a bit patient :)00:12
atoponcenp00:13
pleia2reading wiki page now, nice work hollman :)00:13
atoponcehollman: where do you see yourself with ubuntu in the next 2 years? in other words, what's the primary thing you'll be doing to contribute to ubuntu?00:13
hollmanpleia2, tnks00:13
MagicFabIn fact we were discussing how memberships can be evaluated for people that don't speak English at all (just sayin')00:13
pleia2MagicFab: something to be brought up to the CC, I expect00:14
MagicFabpleia2, we have a few candidates in ubuntu-co :D00:15
hollmanI see like a leader ypersona recognized Colombia level with the enlos projects that work and that seguire working00:15
darkhole:) big person!!00:15
atoponcehollman: you do a lot of translations! very nice! good launchpad karma, and good wiki page.00:16
cody-somervillehollman, when did you first start contributing to Ubuntu?00:16
hollmancody-somerville, hummm since 200600:17
hollmanexcuseme in 200700:17
hollmanflisol 2007 Bogota Colombia00:17
MagicFabI had a hard time convincing him & darkhole to apply ;)00:18
hollmanin 2006 i only help the people on mailing list00:18
darkholejeje..00:19
hollmanrecently i work in the first ubucon with all the u-co community00:19
hollmanand darkhole00:20
atoponcehollman: what does it mean to you to be an ubuntu member?00:20
hollmanare going to be the first big event of Ubuntu in Bogota00:20
pedro_hollman: so the what's are your future plans? cuales son tus planes a futuro? you can answer in spanish if you like to00:21
hollmanPride, work, ..00:21
pedro_i'll translate that for you00:21
pedro_s/the/ /00:21
hollman:P00:21
hollmanEspero poder liderar el Ubuntu-co por un muy buen tiempo, seguir sacandolo adelante y que seamos reconocidos como una comunidad en Colombia00:22
cody-somerville+1 para el trabajo loco del equipo y la evidencia de liderazgo00:23
pleia2great work hollman :) +100:24
pedro_continue leading the ubuntu-co team for a long time and make them being recognized as a community in Colombia00:24
pedro_yeah +1 from here also00:24
atoponcedefinitely. +100:25
pleia2congrats hollman!00:25
hollmanthanks all00:25
hollman:D00:25
* MagicFab waves!!00:25
atoponcehollman: congrats00:25
pleia2darkhole: upi00:26
pleia2bha00:26
pedro_congrats hollman ;-)00:26
pleia2typing00:26
pleia2darkhole: you're up :)00:26
* atoponce notes that the hotel wireless is being spotty, and may be slow to respond00:26
hollmangracias a todos, y creanme que todos los dias trabajare en pro de Ubuntu como lo he venido haciendo00:26
darkholeOk00:26
darkholeGreat hollman!!!00:26
darkholeMmm..00:26
darkholeHi, I'm Julian Alarcon, from Colombia, i'm part of the Colombian Team.. I'm now an admin of this LoCo Team and also an official translator of Ubuntu to Spanish, now I'm workng at the side of Hollman like admins of Ubuntu-Co00:27
darkholehttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Juli%C3%A1nAlarc%C3%B3n00:27
darkholehttps://edge.launchpad.net/~alarconj/00:27
* pleia2 likes "plant a tree" :)00:27
darkholejeje..00:28
pedro_what kind of tree ? :P00:28
darkholesome from here, bogota city..00:28
MagicFabdarkhole helped a lot define many processes we have in Ubuntu-co - we came up with a specific process to prepare our loco members for Ubuntu membership00:28
darkholewe always have a meeting, like admins, to organize the Team..00:28
atoponcedarkhole: are you looking to becoming a motu? you mention teaching packageing on your wiki00:29
darkholeYes..00:29
hollmanthanks to darkhole who has more experience than me, we have streamlined many processes and projects of co-U00:29
darkholeI like his.. but I have to practice first :) (with my ppa)00:30
darkholeIn Ubuntu-Co we have in ths days many traffic of the mailing list..00:30
darkholeWe have 400+ people in the ist..00:30
pedro_darkhole: how did you get involved with the translation team?00:31
MagicFabI *love* these guys. Their work means I was able to almost disappear from u-co as I went to other projects00:31
darkholeMmm, I was working in Suse Team..00:31
darkholeTYranslating the wiki..00:31
darkholeBut, i was alone..00:31
darkholejeje..00:31
darkholeI don't feel the community work. so, I try Ubuntu when I have Internet connection00:32
atoponcedarkhole: what would it mean to you to be an ubuntu member? what will you do with this membership?00:32
darkholeI like this, this will make me. first.. happy :)00:33
atoponcek. :) after that?00:33
lfaraoneHey, I'm Luke Faraone. I'm part of the DC LoCo team. I've promoted Ubuntu at various fests, as well as help to triage and fix some bugs. In this cycle, I've been working to get the Sugar Project <http://sugarlabs.org> 's packages up-to-date in Intrepid.00:33
darkholeAnd, very responsible..00:33
lfaraone(oops, pressed enter too soon()00:33
darkholeI'm (with hollman) the Team's examples to follow..00:33
darkholeAnd, with more desire to continue working for Ubuntu00:34
atoponcedarkhole: it's a big responsibility. memberships mean a lot where i come from.00:34
darkholeI like so much the community environment, in everywhere.. :)00:34
atoponceif you think you did a lot of work now, wait until you become a member. :)00:34
darkholeJeje, here, a Gift form Ubuntu-Co.00:35
darkholehttp://picasaweb.google.es/hollman.enciso/CampusPartyDias6Y7#521790746314263345800:35
darkholeUbuntu passion!!00:36
hollmanyea!!!00:36
MagicFabatoponce, careful what you wish for :) darkhole is relentless00:36
atoponceheh00:36
cody-somerville+100:36
pleia2+100:37
atoponce+100:37
pedro_+100:37
darkhole:p00:37
pleia2congrats darkhole! :)00:37
* MagicFab pours the Aguardiente del Valle00:38
darkhole!!! :)00:38
* pedro_ hugs the colombian community00:38
darkholethanks pedro!!00:38
Technovikinghi all00:38
hollmanthnks pedro_00:38
darkholethanks MagicFab.. and thanks to all folks00:38
pleia2ok lfaraone, you can go now :)00:39
lfaraonepleia2: heh, thanks.00:39
lfaraoneI'm Luke Faraone. I'm part of the DC LoCo team. I've promoted Ubuntu at various fests, as well as help to triage and fix some bugs. In this cycle, I've been working to get the Sugar Project <http://sugarlabs.org> 's packages up-to-date in Intrepid.00:40
lfaraone(as I've already said... :)00:40
atoponce:)00:40
lfaraonehttp://launchpad.net/~lfaraone , and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukeFaraone are my links.00:40
pleia2lfaraone: what are your immediate plans, and more long term ones?00:41
lfaraonepleia2: Well, I plan on working better with upstream for the next cycle in getting those packages in the repos before feature freeze (we had to get a FFE last time), and eventually (in a year or so) plan to apply for MOTU.00:43
pleia2cool00:43
atoponcelfaraone: i see a lot of work with sugar labs. what else have you contributed?00:44
lfaraoneatoponce: I've been triaging a bit.00:44
pleia2lfaraone: you didn't happen to go to HOPE with maco and everyone, did you?00:44
lfaraoneatoponce: I'm also very active in ubuntu promotion, I've helped other members do installfests and handed out CDs on SFD.00:44
crimsunSpeaking as a former Ubuntu core dev who is mentoring Like in bug triaging alongside Mackenzie "maco" Morgan - he's a quick learner.  Not only has he been enthusiastic about helping "evangelise Ubuntu" for quite some time, but he does so consistently, helpfully, and graciously.00:44
crimsunLuke, even.  I can't type.00:45
atoponcecrimsun: cool. thx00:45
lfaraonepleia2: No, I missed it.00:45
lfaraonepleia2: But I'd like to be able to go next time.00:46
pleia2cool, just curious :)00:46
pleia2lfaraone: do much work with the dc loco?00:46
lfaraonepleia2: Yes, I've helped with a lot of their events recently.00:46
mattva01pleia2: I can confirm that he has been very helpful at DC Loco events00:47
pleia2great :)00:47
atoponcelfaraone: what will ubuntu membership mean to you?00:48
macoive got a photo of him at the Takoma Park Folk Festival, where we were tabling...but I left my camera at home, so i cant imagebin it right now...oops00:48
pleia2maco: no visual proof then? hmm ;)00:48
macocrimsun took the photo, ask him00:48
pleia2hehe00:49
* MagicFab loves imagebinettes :)00:49
lfaraonepleia2: It'd mean I'd be able to contribute more to the community,00:49
atoponce+1 here00:50
pleia2excellent work lfaraone, looking forward to your future work too +100:50
Technoviking+100:50
mattva01+100:50
cody-somerville+100:51
pedro_yeah +100:51
pleia2congrats lfaraone!00:51
atoponcelfaraone: congrats00:51
lfaraonepleia2, atoponce, pedro_, Thanks so much!00:51
darkholeim happy, you are happy, we are happy!!00:51
lfaraoneAnd you too, mattva01 and maco :)00:52
pleia2great work everyone00:52
atoponcecongrats everyone! keep up the great work00:53
darkholeThanks..00:53
darkholeWe will..00:53
darkholeBye!00:53
darkholeSee u..00:53
lfaraoneBye, darkhole.00:53
macolfaraone: dont forget to do your dcteam 5adays ;)00:54
lfaraonemaco: Of course. I've been a bit swamped recently, but I'll do some more this weekend.00:54
MagicFablfaraone, bravo :)00:54
macolfaraone: im joking, school's getting me too00:54
macobut we're only 500 bugs from jumping kubuntu-de ^_^00:55
lfaraonemaco: Just wait until I add all the sync request bugs I've filed and poked people about :)00:55
lfaraonemaco: (not to mention the 30 or so bug reports spawned from those syncs!)00:55
darkholebye to all and thanks!!00:56
hollmanbye all, thnaks!!!00:59
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pittihi15:59
henohey15:59
loolhi there15:59
slangasekmorning15:59
Riddellho15:59
dendrobateso/16:00
pgranerHey16:02
loolslangasek: Bumped bug #281610 to RC in the last hours16:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281610 in xorg-server "[regression, intrepid] Xorg servers broken "No core keyboard" and "failed to initialize core devices"" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28161016:03
slangasekok16:04
loolXorg unusable on plenty of ports and xvfb failing the builds16:04
sbeattiehey16:05
slangasek'lo16:05
slangasekok - ScottK says he's going to be about 20 minutes late; I've pung mdz and cjwatson, so hopefully they'll be along soon - let's get started16:06
slangasek#startmeeting16:06
MootBotMeeting started at 10:06. The chair is slangasek.16:06
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slangasek[TOPIC] Outstanding actions16:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Outstanding actions16:07
cjwatsonhere, sorry16:07
slangaseklet's batch through these quickly; several of these were still outstanding as of a few hours ago, at least16:08
slangasek* follow-up discussion about bug 273833 on #ubuntu-devel16:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273833 in v86d "v86d missing from initramfs" [High,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27383316:08
pgranerslangasek: we reverted backto vesafb from uvesafb16:09
slangasekI see there was some further discussion in the bug log and it was marked as invalid, but I'm not sure whether it's actually been resolved to everyone's satisfaction?16:09
cjwatsonthe tail of the bug seems unsatisfactory :-/16:09
mdzslangasek: I'm here16:09
slangasekmdz: heya16:09
pittiusplash works fine again even with my external monitor now16:10
slangasekmdz's comment in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/v86d/+bug/273833/comments/14 in particular suggests that this isn't altogether solved16:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273833 in v86d "v86d missing from initramfs" [High,Invalid]16:10
slangasekdo we need to reopen the bug for another look?16:11
slangasekpgraner: thoughts?16:11
mdzslangasek: I made a pass over all of the kernel bugs and summarized in email, I'm forwarding you the thread now16:11
slangasekmdz: great, thanks16:12
pgranerslangasek: its my understanding by reverting back to vesafb we are same as hardy again.16:12
mdzslangasek: I'm a little concerned that reverting may unmask regressions which weren't found earlier16:12
mdzbut I don't know16:12
BenCmdz: reverting?16:12
* BenC is jumping in the middle here16:12
mdzBenC: uvesafb->uvesafb16:12
mdzer16:12
mdz->vesafb16:12
BenCah16:12
BenCmdz: considering vesafb hasn't changed since pre-hardy, the possibility of regression is very low16:13
cjwatsonI'm certainly *happier* with having vesafb than I am with uvesafb16:13
* ScottK is here. It turns out I didn't need the time I'd budgeted for "Wait for the teenager to be ready".16:13
mdzmy understanding is that we've gone from vesafb (disabled by default, used by some people) to uvesafb (never worked unless manually fixed up, even for people who had enabled vesafb) to vesafb again (re-enabling it for people who had it turned on)16:13
cjwatsonsince we already knew intrepid was regressing for people16:13
BenCYeah, uvesafb was actually causing boot hangs in some cases16:13
mdzas long as it doesn't get worse for people who were using vesafb, and not many people have it turned on, it should hopefully be OK16:13
BenCmdz: No, we had vesafb disabled completely16:14
BenCmdz: and even for people who didn't use uvesafb, it was still causing problems16:14
mdzBenC: if someone added vga= in hardy, and is now upgrading to intrepid, they'll continue to have it enabled16:14
mdzbut will not have tested it since the switch to uvesafb16:14
BenCvga= != vesafb16:14
mdzfor x in $(cat /proc/cmdline); do16:15
mdz        case ${x} in16:15
mdz        vga=*)16:15
mdz                FB="vesafb";16:15
mdz                OPTS="";16:15
mdz                ;;16:15
cjwatson        case ${x} in16:15
mdzBenC: /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-top/framebuffer16:15
cjwatson        vga=*)16:15
cjwatson                FB="vesafb";16:15
cjwatsonerr, what he said :)16:15
BenCI understand, but if uvesafb was loaded, it handled vga=16:15
BenCmaybe I misunderstand what you meant16:16
BenCyes, it will continue to work in intrepid now that vesafb is there16:16
mdzBenC: my point is that we essentially switched off vesafb for the whole cycle, and are now re-enabling it16:16
mdzwe don't know if it has regressed during that time16:17
BenCmdz: true, but as noted, it hasn't changed code wise at all16:17
mdzmy gut feeling is that few people use vga=16:17
mdzso I think this is probably an acceptable risk, but wanted to call it out for review16:17
pgranerBenC: other things around it have changed that might cause problems16:17
cjwatsonmy gut feeling is that this is the lesser of two evils16:17
* BenC agrees16:17
mdzok then16:17
cjwatsonmdz: vga= use was increased because it used to be available in the gfxboot menu, BTW16:18
slangasekok; moving on then16:18
cjwatsonit no longer is, but it's still in some people's menu.lst as a result16:18
pgranerBenC: Need you to take point on any bugs that come in on this and jump on them right away16:18
slangasek* pitti to discuss a fresh langpack -base upload with Arne, related to bug #27348916:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273489 in rosetta "Remaining Intrepid template approvals" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27348916:18
BenCpgraner: got it16:18
slangasekpitti: I think this part was done, right?16:18
pittiROsetta is currently doing a full export16:18
cjwatsonthere's still a blockage on the KDE language packs being fixed16:18
pittiArne will upload on his morning, I'll approve them from the queue on my morning, so they can build over the weekend.16:18
cjwatsonI have a summary in my paste16:18
pgraner[ACTION] BenC  to take point on any bugs that come in on vesafb and jump on them right away16:19
pittioh, they are still not approved? I thought that was done now16:19
slangasek[ACTION] BenC to take point on any bugs that come in on vesafb and jump on them right away16:19
MootBotACTION received:  BenC to take point on any bugs that come in on vesafb and jump on them right away16:19
cjwatsonpitti: they are, but there's a bit of faff involving the language-pack flag that wasn't getting set16:19
cjwatsonanyway, later16:20
slangasekok, let's defer that part of the discussion down to the Foundations team slot16:20
slangasek * desktop team to follow up on bug 14536016:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 145360 in compiz "compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/14536016:20
slangasekI looked at the bug and saw lots and lots of follow-up from people /not/ on the desktop team... :)16:20
pittiMichael talked with upstream, and nobody has a true solution right now; however, the crash consistently happen16:20
pittis on logout only, so once we disable apport, it won't actually be a pressing issue.16:20
slangasekok16:21
slangasek * pgraner to look into firmware in restricted vs. main (279669/269926)16:21
pittiother than that there wasn't much progress, I'm afraid :(16:21
cjwatsonthat should be sorted16:21
slangasekpgraner: I closed one of these bugs because I know it's fixed, I wasn't sure about the other16:21
cjwatsonI've taught the installer to include the new package names16:21
pgranerslangasek: BenC was doing the work16:21
pgranerBenC: can you comment?16:21
slangaseki.e., bug #279669 is still open16:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 279669 in linux "ipw2200 firmware moved to restricted" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27966916:21
cjwatsonI think 279669 is done ...16:21
* BenC is reading16:22
pgranercjwatson: ack16:22
BenC279669 is done16:22
slangasek[ACTION] slangasek to close out bug #27966916:22
MootBotACTION received:  slangasek to close out bug #27966916:22
slangasekok, thanks16:22
slangasek * cjwatson to either pull his finger out with NM and X regression lists or send them to mdz16:22
BenCthe only firmware bug right now is bug #28440516:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284405 in linux-firmware "Copyright file is incomplete" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28440516:23
slangasekBenC: right, that's on the list :)16:23
mdzslangasek: cjwatson passed these to me, but just a few hours ago and I've not had a chance to do anything yet16:23
cjwatsonI did a bit of X (one of them turned out to be a regression in gtk, which I punted over there with a suggestion it be fixed post-release), but punted the rest to mdz recently16:23
mdzat this point I'd much rather give them away (have bryce and asac already reviewed them?)16:24
cjwatsonI also asked asac to look through the NM list, since it turned out he hadn't seen it yet16:24
slangasekalrighty16:24
mdzbut I will do it if no one els ecan16:24
cjwatsonI'll make sure bryce reviews the list later today16:24
cjwatsonsorry it was late16:24
slangasek[ACTION] cjwatson to have bryce review the NM regression list16:24
MootBotACTION received:  cjwatson to have bryce review the NM regression list16:24
cjwatsonerr. X.16:24
loolI hope asac likes Xorg stuff16:25
slangasek[ACTION] ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W cjwatson to have bryce review the X regression list16:25
MootBotACTION received:  ^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W^W cjwatson to have bryce review the X regression list16:25
slangasek:P16:25
slangasekcjwatson: and you'll have asac review the NM ones?16:25
cjwatsonyes, already did16:25
slangasekok16:25
asacack16:25
cjwatsonthat is I already asked him to do so and he said he would, haven't checked the output yet16:25
slangasek[ACTION] asac to review the NM regression list16:25
MootBotACTION received:  asac to review the NM regression list16:25
slangasek * kernel team to review and sponsor linux-rt (281276)16:25
slangasekbug #28127616:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 281276 in linux-rt "Upgrade linux-rt to 2.6.27" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28127616:26
slangasekstill open16:26
mdzif it's not already there, it seems clear that it hasn't made it16:26
BenCDidn't know they were waiting on sponsor16:26
BenCI'll review and upload if everything is ok16:26
mdzkernel freeze was yesterday16:26
ScottKpersia mentioned to me that they were needing some more testing, I think.16:27
BenCmdz: this doesn't affect our kernel source16:27
ScottKProbably ready tomorrow16:27
mdzBenC: separate source package in universe?16:27
persiaRather, that I was likely to upload tomorrow with more testing if the action item wasn't done by the kernel team.16:27
slangasekmdz: yes16:27
BenCmdz: right, build-deps on the main source16:27
cjwatsonthe original purpose of kernel freeze was to let us build CDs, which isn't something linux-rt would break16:27
cjwatsonand d-i16:27
mdzeven so, we do have pressing work to do on the main kernel which should take priority16:28
persiaWell, it would break the Ubuntu Studio DVD, but that has a workaround in place for now anyway.16:28
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cjwatsonpersia doing it would avoid that problem, if the kernel team is happy with him doing that and if davidm can spare him16:28
BenCI'm happy trusting persia to to just upload16:29
persiaOK.  I'll just confirm with the two members of MOTU Release who were testing, and push that.  Happy to take an action on it.16:29
slangasek[ACTION] persia to look at uploading linux-rt (281276)16:29
MootBotACTION received:  persia to look at uploading linux-rt (281276)16:29
slangaseklast outstanding item16:29
slangasek * cjwatson/Keybuk to review last-good-boot data from BenC16:29
BenCThat's rather moot now that it is disabled16:30
pgranerslangasek: that feature was pulled16:30
cjwatsonindeed so16:30
pgranerslangasek: it will get a overhaul for jaunty at UDS16:30
slangasekI thought that was the case before this was actioned, so wasn't sure - ok, thanks for confirming16:30
slangasek[TOPIC] QA team16:30
MootBotNew Topic:  QA team16:30
slangasekheno: hi16:30
henohi16:31
heno* sbeattie, schwuk, ara and I have been running a series of upgrade tests in VMs with a good number of packages installed16:31
heno* sbeattie is running debcheck on the archive daily16:31
heno* schwuk has set up a backup mirror for ISO downloads. Please contact him for details if you should get blocked on cdimage. Note: it's just a fallback, not intended as a second cdimage16:31
heno* We are going through the RC bug list, trying to reproduce issues or verify fixes16:31
heno* Leann was in Montreal this week, where she did 8.10 manual testing and chased up open hwct bugs. She confirmed a fix for bug 271370 and got that in before the freeze.16:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 271370 in linux "Dell Dimension 9200 stalls when rebooting after installing 20080917" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27137016:31
heno* Ara will be there next week. She will continue the regular manual testing, and follow up on RC bugs that need wider testing, including the iwl3945 bug. Please let us know about other specific issues that would benefit from wider testing.16:31
slangasek(looks like team reports are offset ~30min right now, for those keeping score)16:31
heno* Everyone: please refresh your ISO image collections to be ready for testing next week! See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Isoscript16:31
dendrobatesScottK would like to synk a bugfix 0.94 -> 0.94.1-16:31
dendrobatessorrk16:31
cjwatsonheno: any progress on the grub UUID testing?16:32
henocjwatson: no. did you put a testcase on the bug?16:33
pgranercjwatson: I tested here with several methods, firewire, usb and it works16:33
cjwatsonheno: no, I thought evand had already mailed you with detailed directions16:33
pittidendrobates: practicing dvorak? :-)16:33
cjwatson"May I ask that your team affords some time in testing to cover testing16:33
cjwatsonthat installations on all our supported filesystems and installations16:33
cjwatsonon systems with multiple disks still works with this change in place?16:33
cjwatsonIt's absolutely critical for USB-based installs and it entered the16:33
cjwatsonrelease rather late.16:33
cjwatson"16:33
cjwatsonpgraner: that's good16:33
henocjwatson: got it. sbeattie can we look at this after the meeting?16:34
pittimy amd64 test box has two internal IDE hard disks, and a standard install uses both of them; is that good enough?16:34
henoI'll ask ara to look as well in Montreal16:34
sbeattieheno: yes definitely16:34
cjwatsonpitti: yes16:35
henoI have a USB CD drive I can try with16:35
slangaseksounds good16:35
pittime as well16:35
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ScottK^^^ is spam.16:36
henosbeattie, bdmurray: any issues to add to the QA report?16:36
loolSomeone please kick maestrolinux16:36
sbeattienot from me16:37
slangasekfwiw, I've distilled out the list of bugs that are both tagged regressions and have been nominated for release16:37
bdmurrayme neither16:37
slangasekhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+nominations?field.tag=regression-potential16:37
slangasek[LINK] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+nominations?field.tag=regression-potential16:37
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henook, QA team done16:37
slangasekI'm giving high priority to getting these reviewed; bdmurray, if you have any time to help that'd be great too16:38
bdmurrayslangasek: with the link you sent?16:38
slangasekbdmurray: the link above, yes16:38
bdmurraygot it16:39
slangasek[TOPIC] Desktop team16:39
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slangasekpitti: let me paste in the list of milestoned bugs first?16:39
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/280997: bluez 4.x support for KDE16:39
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/274639: jockey crash16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280997 in kdebase-workspace "solid-bluetooth needs update for bluez 4.x" [High,Confirmed]16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274639 in jockey "jockey-gtk crashed with SystemError in markInstall()" [High,In progress]16:39
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/278112: screensaver doesn't start with compiz16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278112 in compiz "Screensaver doesn't start" [Medium,In progress]16:39
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/269904: nvidia/compiz problems16:39
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/212098: "easy" file sharing and logout/login16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 269904 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-177 "Screen refresh problems with nvidia on intrepid" [Medium,Confirmed]16:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 212098 in nautilus-share ""easy" file sharing not notifying about logout/login" [High,Confirmed]16:39
pittiok; in general, pieces are coming together, lots of bug fixing last week16:40
pittiSpecs: all done, no further changes planned16:40
pittiRC Bugs:16:40
pitti - #278112 (screensaver doesn't start with compiz): patch available and got positive testing; I built a package with the patch, works fine for me, too;  Michael has some other fixes, he'll talk to upstream about the patc16:40
pittih and upload today16:40
pitti - #269904 (nvidia/compiz problems): compiz workaround uploaded today, actual bug in nvidia driver remains, but is not RC any more16:40
pitti - #274639 (jockey crash): I already believed this to be fixed until yesterday, when more reports came up; looks easy to fix, I'll just need to grab half an hour on it16:40
pitti - #212098 (nautilus-share not notifying about required session restarting): We agreed on how a solution should look like and posted it to the bug report; a community member, Didier Roche (didrocks) said he'd work on this.16:40
pitti - #280997 (KDE4 bluetooth breakage): upstream currently does not have time to do the porting; Mario is working on it, but his port might not arrive in time. Riddell currently plans to fix this in an SRU.16:40
pittioops, 212908 is actually a bit stale16:40
slangasekyes, 212908 is hardy carry-over :/16:41
pittihe didn't manage to work on it, but it's not really an RC bug any more, I think16:41
pittithe workaround with the default "sambashare" group at least helps16:41
pittiIntrusive changes:16:41
pitti - GNOME 2.24.1 is due on October 22, the Sebmaster and his little packaging army are standing by16:41
pittiOn further notes, I worked on archive consistency today, particularly on component-mismatches. I roughly kille16:41
pittid half of the "source/binary main promotions", but there is lots of more work to do. Assistance appreciated.16:41
pitti[end of report]16:41
slangasekhowever, the user still has to re-authenticate to PAM at least once in order for the shares to be usable16:41
seb128speaking about 2.24.1 is that ok if I approve my own uploads?16:41
pittislangasek: really? even if he already was in sambashare?16:42
seb128they will likely package some tarballs rolled early during the weekend16:42
slangasekseb128: please have the release team review them so we know what's changing16:42
slangasekpitti: yes; until libpam-smbpass is installed, there's no SMB password hash for the user16:43
slangasekpitti: (otherwise I would've closed out the bug already)16:43
pittiah, I see16:43
seb128slangasek: hum ok, so no point for me to work during the weekend to get early testing I guess16:43
slangasekseb128: I'll be around this weekend16:43
pittislangasek: so why did we actually put in that "sambshare group by default" into the installer?16:43
cjwatsonplease also *don't* push GNOME 2.24.1 through on Oct 2216:43
pittislangasek: I guess that dialog will add the user to sambashare anyway16:43
slangasekpitti: so that the user doesn't have to logout/login in order to *configure* the shares16:43
pittislangasek: ah, ok16:43
slangasekinitgroups(), etc16:44
cjwatsondo what you can on Oct 20, or leave it in the queue until after the RC is out16:44
pittislangasek: I'll talk to didrocks again, but at this point I don't think we'll squeeze in a patch by intrepid16:44
slangasekpitti: but let's take the rest to the bug then16:44
slangasekok16:44
cjwatsonI'll be out on Saturday but around some of Sunday16:44
pittislangasek: agreed16:44
slangasek280997 in SRU> unfortunate :/16:44
pgranerslangasek: need to add a Desktop one... I can't hold until the end16:45
slangasekbut AIUI, unavoidable if we wanted bluetooth working for intrepid16:45
slangasekpgraner: go ahead16:45
pgranerslangasek: I keep seeing Consloe-kit-daemon crashes 2 to 3 times a day today 2 alone16:46
slangasekreally?16:46
pittipgraner: are they reported in LP?16:46
slangasekI haven't seen any ck crashes since my last patch to it16:46
pittiI fixed two recently, but it has never actually crashed for me so far16:46
pgranerslangasek: some of the older ones are I'll get the ones I had today in after the meeting16:46
pgranerpitti: seems to happen on login16:46
slangasek[ACTION] pgraner to file LP reports for console-kit-daemon crashes16:47
MootBotACTION received:  pgraner to file LP reports for console-kit-daemon crashes16:47
pittipgraner: ok, thanks; if they have an obvious stack trace, we can probably do something about them; I suspect they will already  be known, though, all of the 200ish crash reports were really just for four different stack traces16:47
mdzit was crashing for me earlier in the cycle, but has been OK for a while now16:47
slangasek[TOPIC] Mobile team16:47
MootBotNew Topic:  Mobile team16:48
lool284354 ignore ath5k on samsung Q1 - either we need a new wifi/ath5k backport (I think kernel team is preparing one) or we need to shuffle PCI ids in kernel to s16:48
loolelect madwifi instead of ath5k16:48
loolxxxxxx linux-headers-lpia not installable; pending along misc lpia kernel uploads; amitk working on them; we discussed actions during our call to fix this today or over the WE in the mobile team16:48
loolxxxxxx can't mount USB keys in xinit CK sessions (works from gdm sessions), session not active; needs filing, diagnosing, fixing16:48
loolxxxxxx totem doesn't work and crashes xorg in mid images; persia investigating and will file a bug soon16:48
loolpgraner: 284354> will you still push wifi updates before intrepid?16:48
slangasekso, ah, some bug numbers missing there?16:48
mdz...16:48
loolYeah; mentionned to me this morning and had only meetings since16:48
pgranerrtg: You plan here?16:49
rtgLBM is done, but it doesn't work with NM.16:49
loolAh so it will be in the backports package16:49
rtgI think we should prefer madwifi over ath5k in the stock release16:49
loolThat's not ok for lpia, where we don't have backports16:49
rtgath5k has some real problems with noise.16:50
loolrtg: Can you take 284354?  amitk is really busy with lpia kernel uploads16:50
rtgso, I'm working with Dan Williams on the NM issues. Its also being driven by Atheros.16:51
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loolapart of that, linux-headers-lpia was depping on linux-headers and so is blocking uploads of other lpia kernel sources16:51
loolThat's being worked on by amitk and rest of team today and over WE16:52
loolThe two other bugs are recent and need to be filed and diagnosed properly16:52
loolwill take action to do so asap16:52
rtglool: I don't think I've got time for that one.16:52
slangasekI'll be happy to see those land so we can zero out the out-of-date list :)16:52
loolThat's all for mobile; generally in a good shape apart of kernel16:53
slangaseklool: when you've found those bugs, you'll target/milestone them?16:53
loolslangasek: Likely the USB one as we're using startx to login on mid, dunno about totem16:53
loolMight be vesa specific in which case perhaps not16:53
slangasekok16:54
loolIt might be "RC" but I didn't reproduce yet (not at home) and can't tell16:54
slangasek[TOPIC] Kernel team16:54
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel team16:54
slangasekbug list:16:54
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/284405: incomplete copyright file for linux-firmware16:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284405 in linux-firmware "Copyright file is incomplete" [Critical,In progress]16:54
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/259157: atheros/madwifi, orinoco support16:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259157 in network-manager "[MASTER 0.7 regression] atheros/madwifi and orinoco drivers not supported" [High,Triaged]16:54
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/263059: boot failures with iwl394516:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 263059 in linux "[regression] 2.6.27-7 sometimes fails to boot (iwl3945 issue?)" [High,In progress]16:55
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/267295: hang on boot, GeForce4 Presario16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267295 in linux "2.6.27-2.3 fails to boot on Compaq Presario S6010V: " [High,Triaged]16:55
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/284354: ath5k PCI quirk for Q116:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284354 in linux-lpia "ignore ath5k on samsung Q1" [High,Triaged]16:55
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/182489: atheros on eeepc16:55
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/250139: iwl4965 panic16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 182489 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.24 "Atheros wireless (AR5007) not working on various laptops, including the ASUS Eee PC" [High,In progress]16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 250139 in linux "iwl4965: Can not allocate SKB buffers" [High,Triaged]16:55
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/265049: liveCD hang on Compaq Presario16:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 265049 in linux "Intrepid CD Live Hang on Compaq Presario" [High,Triaged]16:55
slangaseklots of wifi...16:55
lool182489> relates to madwifi/ath5k on Q1U16:55
pgranerslangasek: be gentle16:55
BenCrtg can comment on most of the wife16:55
BenCerr wifi16:55
cjwatsonI don't quite know what to say to that one. :)16:55
slangasekrtg: you mentioned working with Dan Williams on this stuff, when do you expect fixes to land?16:56
rtgI think we're getting traction ion the i3945 issue.16:56
rtgslangasek: no idea.16:56
rtgI've not even been able to scratch it yet.16:56
slangasekok16:56
rtgI chatted with Atheros yesterday, and they are also motivated to fix it.16:56
pgranerslangasek: 284405 is done16:57
slangasekpgraner: not according to LP? :)16:57
loolpitti: #285054 for the CK USB key in startx issue mentionned earlier16:57
pgranerslangasek: BenC????16:57
BenCslangasek: No, it isn't16:58
BenCslangasek: I split out firmware, and we have no complete copyright file for it16:58
slangaseksure, I'm aware of the bug :)16:59
pgranerslangasek: sorry my bad I thought that was Incorrect copyright file in a package16:59
* pgraner needs to look at the bug before inserting foot in mouth16:59
slangasekso the ones that aren't wifi are #265049 and #267295; do we have anything to discuss there?16:59
BenCpgraner: lrm is fixed, that was the one you were thingking of16:59
pittilool: answered; let's continue this in the bug, thanks for filing it17:00
pgranerBenC: yep17:00
slangasekbug #26504917:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 265049 in linux "Intrepid CD Live Hang on Compaq Presario" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26504917:00
slangasekbug #26729517:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 267295 in linux "2.6.27-2.3 fails to boot on Compaq Presario S6010V: " [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26729517:00
BenCslangasek: we need to add bug #26131817:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261318 in xorg "Regression: new Toshiba Laptop Support (tlsup) driver breaks Toshiba hotkeys; input device does not support 'kbd' input handler" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26131817:01
* BenC is reading 26729517:01
slangasek[ACTION] slangasek to review/milestone 26131817:01
MootBotACTION received:  slangasek to review/milestone 26131817:01
slangasekok, overall questions: are these targeted bugs an accurate representation of what the kernel team is working on right now, and are they a realistic workload for between now and release (considering we're past kernel freeze and have only very small windows for kernel uploads between now and final)?17:02
pgranerdo we have any Preseario HW in house?17:02
henopgraner: not in Montreal17:03
BenChehe, 267295 has a scan of a hand written back trace17:03
mdzdedication17:03
pgranerslangasek: for the most part, we have not been looking at the Preseario ones at all other than asking to test on newer revs17:03
BenCfirst time for that17:03
henoand I don't turn up many with a general LP search either17:04
* pgraner mutters this is where a hw db is invaluable17:04
henonone at all for S6010V (appart from the one mentioned on that bug)17:05
henopgraner: agreed17:05
BenCAfter talking with rtg, I wonder how many of our mysterious crashes will go away once FTRACE is disabled17:05
slangasekok, so the S6010V is definitely not milestoning material at least17:05
rtgBenC: those will be hard to pin on that root cause.17:05
pgranerBenC: good point, what does it buys us if we leave it enabled17:06
mdzrtg: Keybuk says he had some success debugging 26305917:06
mdzand has updated the bufg17:06
slangasekBenC, rtg: in that case, when can we get the ftrace change uploaded so we can have people re-test?17:06
rtgmdz: definitely.17:06
slangasekis disabling ftrace an ABI bump?17:06
rtgnope17:06
henoslangasek: agreed17:06
Keybukrtg: it looks to me (reading the code) that the driver leaves the pci device disabled17:06
Keybukand only enables it if the kill switch is off17:06
rtgKeybuk: correct17:06
BenCpgraner: It buys us nothing on usability17:06
Keybukand that state really upsets the kernel if it's init'ing another pci driver at the same time17:07
BenCit's meant to help debug the kernel17:07
pgranerBenC: if there are no abi concerns lets up it disabled and uploaded.17:07
BenCKeybuk: kernel should be doing ref-counting on disable/enable though17:07
mdzBenC: from the documentation, it seems meant to help all sorts of debugging, not just the kernel itself17:07
rtgslangasek: its in 2.6.27.y stable tree as well.17:07
mdzbut it is presumably a new feature in 2.6.27 so I'm not attached to it17:08
pgranerBenC: when doing new features we need to have a test plan and test coverage *early* to avoid this late cycle crap17:08
rtgpgraner: we get new features with every kernel.17:08
BenCpgraner: FTRACE has been enabled all cycle17:08
cr3pgraner: it would be nice if these tests could be automated in the form of command line scripts17:08
BenCpgraner: plus this sort of thing is hard to unit test17:09
slangasekAIUI ftrace is meant to be a replacement for ptrace, /eventually/; userspace isn't there in intrepid, so that really buys us nothing to have it enabled17:09
cr3pgraner: and I don't think autotest is sufficiently reliable to cover new features, I think it is more like a rite of passage17:09
rtgslangasek: we definitely need a kernel upload today.17:09
pgranerrtg: yep and we need evaluate to see if they give us anything, we are at the point that thking things in just cuz they are free seem to cause more issues more times than they are worth, unless we are committed to debug, test & patch17:09
slangasekrtg: ok17:09
BenCOk, if we are doing a kernel upload today, then we need to conclude the fate of tlsup and toshiba_acpi17:10
pgranerBenC: status of each pls?17:10
slangasekpgraner: did you see the question earlier, about whether the targeted bug list accurately reflects what the team is working on, and if this workload is manageable?17:10
KeybukBenC, rtg: what I find vaguely interesting is that the wireless card PCI device actually *goes away* when you toggle the kill switch17:10
BenCmdz: You mentioned that toshiba_acpi needed acpi-support changes, but I think you may have been confusing the bug about modprobe options that weren't compatible with the unpatched toshiba_acpi17:10
pgranerslangasek: I answered above17:10
Keybuksufficiently that an ifconfig on it returns "No such device"17:11
mdzBenC: I remember it needed some userland fixing, which we opted not to do as we were switching to tlsup17:11
slangasekpgraner: sorry, I'm not sure what line was an answer to that then17:11
mdzBenC: did you look up the bug number(s)?17:11
slangasekpgraner: "for the most part", I guess?17:11
BenCmdz: No, I'm just going on recollection of when tlsup was switched to17:12
pgranerslangasek: We are working on all but the Preseario ones due to no hardware and lack of response from the testers, we have asked for output on command and nothing (in one of the bugs) didn't look that deep in the other17:12
slangasekok17:12
mdzBenC: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/18388317:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 183883 in linux-meta "hardy toshiba_acpi: Unknown parameter `hotkeys_over_acpi' (dup-of: 77026)" [Undecided,New]17:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 77026 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Update toshiba_acpi.c to version 0.19a" [Medium,Fix released]17:13
mdzis one I found with a quick search17:13
mdzI think there may have been others17:13
BenCmdz: that's the one I was referring to. Using the patched version of toshiba_acpi like we've had in hardy in prior, that problem goes away17:13
mdzBenC: so that problem was actually caused by dropping a toshiba_acpi patch, rather than the switch to tlsup?17:13
mdzthat one was reported against  hardy btw17:14
BenCmdz: correct, the patch to toshiba_acpi had to be forward ported for some kthread changes, which I did before switching to tlsup17:14
rtgmdz: the orignal patch didn't compile, so we dropped it in the transition to Intrepid.17:14
slangaseklet's move on, further toshiba discussion out-of-band please17:14
BenCSo I have a compilable and working toshiba_acpi to drop in17:14
slangasek[TOPIC] Foundations team17:15
MootBotNew Topic:  Foundations team17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/261977: nv driver selected on unsupported hardware17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/282037: wrong grub target with USB17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 261977 in dell "nv is chosen even if it doesn't support the card" [Undecided,Confirmed]17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 282037 in grub-installer "grub-installer defaults to (hd0) which is the installation medium in the case of USB installs" [High,Confirmed]17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/150872: removable drives in fstab17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273489, https://bugs.launchpad.net/259180: langpack template imports17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/278963: fglrx crashes system on upgrade17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 150872 in partman-target "Installer should not list removable media in /etc/fstab" [High,In progress]17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/274124: race condition with PA on GNOME startup17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273489 in rosetta "Remaining Intrepid template approvals" [Critical,Fix released]17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/204272: totem-gstreamer PA crash17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/264462: blank display with radeon17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 278963 in fglrx-installer "fglrx kernel module crashes system hard during hardy to intrepid upgrade" [Critical,Confirmed]17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 274124 in pulseaudio "Race condition in pulseaudio loading for GNOME session" [High,Confirmed]17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/277526: post-installation language support download doesn't work17:15
slangasek   * https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/270002: multi-finger tapping broken17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 204272 in pulseaudio "totem-gstreamer crashed with SIGSEGV in pa_stream_write()" [High,Confirmed]17:15
slangasekcjwatson:17:15
cjwatson261977: X server nv autodetection; summary in bug, bryce just offered to take over, waiting for him to get up17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 264462 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati "Radeon Driver fails to load on 2 Sep daily [ATI HD3870]" [Unknown,Confirmed]17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 277526 in ubiquity "[8.10] Post-installation language support download does not work" [High,Triaged]17:15
cjwatson282037: grub UUIDs for USB installs; fixed in ubiquity, needs to be fixed in d-i with similar logic17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270002 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "Multi-finger tapping broken" [High,In progress]17:15
cjwatson150872: wrong /cdrom device in /etc/fstab for USB installs; fixed in ubiquity, needs to be fixed in d-i with similar logic17:15
cjwatson273489: remaining template approvals; while there are still some left I don't think any are release-critical, so I downgraded the bug17:15
cjwatson259180: broken KDE language packs; jtv tried an export this morning on staging but it's still missing some pieces due (conjecturally) to the language-pack flag not being set when staging was last synced; he's trying another export which should finish in ~5 hours17:15
cjwatson278963: fglrx crash on upgrade; latest reports are that this is fixed, although Brian Watson reported a slightly different but related problem which has yet to be diagnosed17:15
cjwatson274124: pulseaudio race condition; we have a horrible, horrible workaround and crimsun suggests that the real fix is unacceptably invasive, so will probably go with the workaround17:15
cjwatson204272: totem crash with pulseaudio; may be similar to 275233 which is (a) inconsistently reproducible to start with (b) believed not reproducible following the fix for 27412417:16
cjwatson264462: ATI driver failure on certain models; patches near end of report, need to get something uploaded so we can test it17:16
cjwatson277526: language support failure after installation; this is my personal top priority right now17:16
cjwatson270002: synaptics multi-finger tapping broken; fix in wgrant's PPA17:16
cjwatsonother issues:17:16
cjwatson  grub UUID support enabled across the board, asked for testing; have asked evand to prepare a patch to back that out except for USB installs in the event of problems17:16
cjwatson  may need to do a few more manual translation uploads given the late translation imports17:16
cjwatsonI've asked bryce to step in here in case there are any X queries, but he isn't usually an early bird17:16
mdzwasn't 282037 meant to be addressed by the grub UUID change?17:16
mdzoh, it's still open for d-i17:16
slangasekhrm, what I read of 204272 didn't leave me thinking it was related to 27412417:17
cjwatsonI would be willing to be wrong about that17:17
cjwatsonthere were such comments about 275233 which seemed applicable ...17:18
bryceheya17:18
slangasekmoin17:18
cjwatsonLuke has been unable to reproduce 204272 though17:19
slangasekyeah17:19
cjwatsonwhich leads me to believe it may be racy17:19
slangasekI think I accidentally reproduced it yesterday /after/ asking for a test case17:19
slangasekbut not under a debugger yet17:19
slangasekso I'll be poking at that today17:20
cjwatsonthanks17:20
slangasekany other critical issues that are hiding from me?17:20
pittihow's CD size these days?17:21
slangasekseparate topic :)17:21
slangasek[TOPIC] Server team17:21
MootBotNew Topic:  Server team17:21
dendrobatesScottK would like to sync the release canadate of clamav and then do an update after release.  it is a bug fix release that comes out on 3 Nov.  it is 0.94 -> 0.94.1.  He believes it's low risk.17:21
dendrobatesbug 28336817:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 283368 in base-installer "linux-virtual cannot be installed with an amd64 iso" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28336817:22
cjwatsonmeh, I wasn't aware of 28336817:22
slangasek* https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272232: passwd change returns success with pam_ecryptfs17:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 272232 in ecryptfs-utils "passwd - passwords do not match but updated successfully" [Medium,In progress]17:22
dendrobatescjwatson: brand new.17:22
slangasek^^ that's the only bug I'm aware of, kirkland and I are working on it17:22
cjwatsondendrobates: fairly easy though17:22
dendrobatesalso bug 227848 and bug 28410717:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 227848 in open-iscsi "boot order wrong for iscsi" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/22784817:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284107 in partman-target "Filesystem on iSCSI should have the _netdev option in /etc/fstab" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28410717:23
ScottKWhen it comes to clamav, we are kind of screwed.  They just released 0.94.1 RC with final planned for 03 Nov.17:23
kirklandslangasek: also the ecryptfs mount counter17:23
cjwatsonseems a bit late for 284107 though17:23
ScottKGenerally they're pretty good about not having regressions/breakage on their .x releases.17:23
dendrobatescjwatson: I agree, probably won't get to it, but kirkland is trying to get 22784817:24
ScottKI'd like to upload the RC this weekend with the intent of getting 0.94.1 final into -updates (assuming testing goes well).17:24
slangasekScottK: is there a FFe request for the RC?17:24
ScottKslangasek: I haven't filed it yet.17:24
slangasekok17:24
slangasek[ACTION] ScottK to file a FFe request for clamav RC17:24
MootBotACTION received:  ScottK to file a FFe request for clamav RC17:24
kirklandcjwatson: fwiw, the fix that I'm looking at for 227848 would actually use the _netdev bits in /etc/fstab17:25
cjwatsonah17:25
kirklandcjwatson: s/use/need/17:25
ScottKThe Debian git repo for clamav got a bit broken and I'm waiting on it getting fixed tonight or tomorrow to have a package.17:25
kirklandcjwatson: from Debian, something like http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/58885/ in the iscsi init script17:25
slangasekcjwatson: should I assign 283368 to you?17:25
cjwatsonslangasek: I already did, and have committed a fix17:26
slangasekheh :-)17:26
dendrobatescjwatson: in 20 seconds!17:26
dendrobatesFWIW, +1 on the clamav sync.17:27
slangasekcjwatson: is it your thought that 284107 is too intrusive/risky?17:27
dendrobatesand that is all fo rme.17:27
slangasekor "doesn't fit in the installer schedule"?17:27
cjwatsonslangasek: I didn't realise it was needed for something else17:28
slangasekok17:28
cjwatsonand it seemed a bit late to be fiddling with mount scripts17:28
slangasekok then, I think we've covered everything there17:28
slangasek[TOPIC] MOTU17:29
MootBotNew Topic:  MOTU17:29
ScottKNo great excitement.17:29
ScottKWe already covered the -rt kernel.17:29
ScottKI have one late library transition I'm working on.  libspf2 got a major facelift after Dan Kaminsky found a DNS related buffer overflow.17:30
ScottKIt looks safe and only one rdepend in the archive.17:30
slangasekScottK: bug #250425 is milestoned and targeted, but I don't think that this is actually happening for 8.10 :)17:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 250425 in zsnes "zsnes crashes with buffer overflow on startup" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25042517:30
slangaseklibspf2> ack17:30
ScottKWe've patched the buffer overflow, but it fixes a lot of other unfortunate stuff.17:30
* ScottK looks17:30
ScottKI'll check with wgrant and see if he's doing anything on it.17:31
slangasekok17:32
ScottKIs someone going to process sync's again before release?17:32
ScottKI know of at least one pending with security implications (because I filed it)17:32
cjwatsonis somebody working on the remaining libv4l stuff?17:32
slangasekI believe I have time Monday to do some syncs17:32
ScottKOK17:32
cjwatsonand there are several open security bugs17:32
ScottKcjwatson: I'll check.17:32
slangasekI pung kees last night about the v4l stuff, sounds like no one is working on them yet17:33
ScottKI'll look into that too.17:33
cjwatsonbug 260918, it has five tasks on /ubuntu/intrepid so is quite noticeable17:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 260918 in xawtv "needed: libv4l and associated application patches (or "gspca stopped working in 2.6.27")" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/26091817:33
nijabamathiaz: pvb bugs triagged, couple of incompletes for you17:33
slangasekthose packages don't seem to be holding up any NBS removals, so I guess it's just a question of them not being usable in intrepid if no one gets to them...17:34
ScottKI'll see if I can give v4I a push.17:34
slangasekusable for video, that is17:34
slangasekScottK: thanks17:34
slangasek[ACTION] ScottK to give v4l transition a push17:34
MootBotACTION received:  ScottK to give v4l transition a push17:34
slangasek[TOPIC] General feature update17:35
MootBotNew Topic:  General feature update17:35
slangasekthis should be a no-op, but here's your opportunity to speak if not17:35
slangasek[TOPIC] Known regressions17:35
MootBotNew Topic:  Known regressions17:35
slangasek[LINK] http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues17:35
MootBotLINK received:  http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/intrepid/beta#Known%20Issues17:35
slangasekall but one of the bugs we highlighted as a caveat for beta have been fixed, and the last bug is already covered above; good job, folks17:35
ScottKI suppose there's no need to revist Kubuntu and Bluetooth here.17:36
slangasekbeyond that, we've already covered regressions in-line above17:36
mdzslangasek: great news, agreed17:36
cjwatsonwish I knew how bug 270423 got fixed, but I'm not going to complain17:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270423 in ubiquity "[kde] doesn't show dialog after installation" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27042317:37
slangasekScottK: the bug for that is milestoned and was discussed above; regrettable circumstances :/17:37
henocjwatson: I've tried hard to reproduce it again but failed :)17:37
slangaseker, s/milestoned/targetde/17:38
slangaseker, both17:38
slangasekanyway17:38
slangasek[TOPIC] Hardware testing17:38
MootBotNew Topic:  Hardware testing17:38
heno* I've prepared reports for vendors. I was on a conf call with one major vendor yesterday who seemed happy with the reporting and the testing website at this point.17:38
heno* There is still room for improvement on reporting though - schwuk is preparing a list of hardware we have in the labs with detailed hw specs17:38
henocr3: can you report in more detail on testing progress?17:39
slangasekcross-hardware summary report?  please? :-)17:39
henoslangasek: still WIP I'm afraid :(17:40
cr3Most laptops and desktops have been tested with automatic tests as of 20081017, servers are still pending.17:40
slangasekcr3: how long until the servers are also tested?17:41
cr3The two most significant bugs encountered are the NO_REBOOT flag when booting which ogasawara knows about and another I reported about usplash... checking bug #17:42
cr3slangasek: before Monday for sure17:42
slangasekok17:42
henocr3: on how many machines has manual testing been done and how many are outstanding?17:42
heno(Ara will be in the lab next week to help with that)17:42
cr3heno: manual testing has been done on all Dell laptops and desktops which accounts for 12 machines. all the rest still need to be done17:43
henook, thanks17:44
cr3heno: I need to become a hardware vendor and request those reports too :)17:44
henocr3: indeed - they are carefully hand-crafted ;)17:44
slangasekheh :)17:45
slangasek[TOPIC] ISO size17:45
MootBotNew Topic:  ISO size17:45
slangasekpitti: now we can talk about ISOs :)17:45
slangasekCD size is stable at the moment17:45
pittislangasek: size-wise they actually seem ok17:45
pittialthough they don't have much room for langpacks any more17:45
slangasekI do think we need to shove some more langpacks on there, before the desktop team beats us to eating up the space <cough> :)17:46
slangasekbut getting rid of webkit definitely helped17:46
seb128pitti: should we split the evolution documentation?17:46
Riddellslangasek: langpacks may grow in size when complete ones appear17:46
pittiif we can still achieve that, it woudl certainly be good17:46
RiddellKDE ones certainly, gnome ones probably less so17:46
pittithe GNOME langpacks shouldn't grow a lot any more, though17:47
slangasekRiddell: yeah :/17:47
slangasekit's been the Ubuntu disks that we've been fighting size on this cycle, though, Kubuntu has been doing ok AFAIK17:47
slangasekor you've been fixing the problems before I notice them :)17:47
slangasekanyway, you guys have 30-40MB more to play with for langpacks17:48
slangasekso hopefully that turns out ok17:48
slangasekanyway, I'll do the langpack shuffle today or over the weekend on the Ubuntu disks17:48
Riddellyes, Kubuntu has lots of space, I havn't added many langpacks yet (doesn't seem like much point until they contain something)17:48
slangasek[ACTION] slangasek to shove langpacks onto the Ubuntu CDs to fill them up17:48
MootBotACTION received:  slangasek to shove langpacks onto the Ubuntu CDs to fill them up17:48
slangasek[TOPIC] AOB17:49
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB17:49
slangasekanything else?17:49
lool#285058 for the linux-lpia installabilityu17:49
loolfixed targets for #284368 which is also linux-lpia-meta issue17:49
loolthere, just wanted to get the missing mobile bugs on the record17:49
slangaseklool: thanks :)17:49
lool(Nothing new to discuss)17:49
slangasek#endmeeting17:50
MootBotMeeting finished at 11:50.17:50
slangasekthanks, all!17:50
pittithanks everyone17:50
mdzcr3: bug numbers for the two issues you mentioned?17:51
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cr3mdz: sorry, I've been looking for them and I even used ubuntu-bug to report the usplash one but I can't find them anymore. I know ogasawara has got the two bugs readily available somewhere, I'll have to ping her18:53
cr3mdz: aha! the usplash one is: #263059:18:55
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Nightrosehelo :)19:04
Nightrose*hello even19:04
Nightrosesorry for being a little late19:04
james_whi Nightrose, the meeting is in #kubuntu-devel apparently19:05
nixternalyo yo19:05
nixternalgood timing19:06
persiaexcept it's in #kubuntu-devel19:06
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