[00:00] <[reed]> yes [00:01] contrast is too high for me, too many apps still have a white background [00:02] firefox, lifera, prism (greader/gmail), even some gtk apps [00:10] <[reed]> well [00:10] <[reed]> I mean specifically the desktop background [00:10] asac, http://news.launchpad.net/cool-new-stuff/stacked-branches-holding-post [00:12] i'm quite surprised by "For the code that we Launchpad developers work on, ..., it now takes less than two minutes to push up a branch. It used to take an hour and a half" [00:12] fta [00:13] ? [00:13] i can't get hinting or subpixel to work with firefox 3.1 or tb 3 [00:13] Starks, that's mozilla bug 458612 [00:13] Mozilla bug 458612 in GFX: Thebes "Font regression using system cairo" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458612 [00:14] how do i fix? [00:14] /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-no-sub-pixel.conf [00:14] deleting didn't help [00:14] i removed /etc/fonts/conf.d/10-no-sub-pixel.conf locally but while it improved firefox, some other apps regressed [00:15] [reed], ^^ [00:16] Starks, in fact, it's still unclear as for what is the best fix. this was supposed to be an improvement from mozilla [00:16] well. the bug seems to come and go from build to build [00:16] but something in the ubuntu version of fontconfig is wrong [00:17] Starks, really ? it supposed to be there since mid september [00:17] the last two builds of both fx and tb have been bad [00:18] btw, i really love how tb3 is in dev hell [00:19] ? [00:19] it's been in development for so friggin' long [00:20] are you using it ? i mean, from my ppa ? [00:21] yar [00:21] nobody else cares about it. [00:21] any problem ? (except the fonts) [00:21] nope. [00:22] btw, i've never understood the placement of 'preferences' in tb and fx [00:22] it varies across platforms [00:23] it should be under tools or edit for all. [00:29] fta: tb3 from your archive works well for me [00:30] some users reported issues with addons [00:30] ie, not being able to add some addons [00:30] such as enigmail [00:32] crimsun, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue ??? [00:32] Bug 284689 [00:33] Launchpad bug 284689 in nspluginwrapper "[Intrepid] Please add i386 build to nspluginwrapper 1.1.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284689 [00:33] is Architecture: amd64 i386 wrong ? [00:33] a "," ? [00:33] fta: yes, I figured that's why the maintainer was listed as Ubuntu Core Developers [00:37] why isn't nspluginwrapper on i386 ? [00:41] why would you want it? [00:42] it's supposed to be in, it was in before [00:42] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+builds?build_text=nspluginwrapper&build_state=all [00:43] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+publishinghistory# [00:45] PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND [00:45] 32239 fta 9 -11 2136m 1.0g 2796 S 7 53.1 71:48.81 pulseaudio [00:46] crimsun, ^^ [00:46] err, sorry, what am I supposed to pull from that? the resource bit? [00:47] 53.1% of my memory [00:47] > 1G and 2G of virt [00:47] fta: intrepid's or luke's ppa version? [00:48] luke's [00:50] ok, 0.9.13 has known issues with that [00:50] every few hours someone else pops in and reports it [00:50] I'd be much more worried if that were in 0.9.10 [00:50] hm [00:53] killed, it was unusable anyway [00:54] ugh, really wish I didn't have to munge so much of pulseaudio to get this stream retry working [05:33] fta [05:33] what was the number for that antialising bug again? [10:31] hi [10:32] seems my Thunderbird hates freedom and only lets me spellcheck in Swedish, whilst I want British English. what should I be looking for? [10:33] Nafallo, http://www.migrationsverket.se/english.html [10:33] directhex: what has that to do with anything? [10:35] it's humour. you complained you were only getting spellcheck options in swedish & asked for suggestions, hence a page on migrating to sweden. see? joke. thunderbird-locale-en-gb is installed? [10:36] directhex: well, you didn't get the point then :-). [10:36] ii thunderbird-locale-en-gb 1:2.0.0.14+1-0ubuntu2 [10:37] that said, this is more likely to be related to myspell or hunspell [10:37] I fixed a bug in ubufox : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubufox/+bug/272171/comments/11 [10:37] Launchpad bug 272171 in ubufox "Firefox should not steal focus when told by another application to open a link" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [10:38] I think I should try to get hold of asac right ? [10:38] directhex: haha [10:39] ubuntu_demon: thanks. i am just not sure if we want to switch the default [10:40] ubuntu_demon: for intrepid we wont change anything anymore. we can look into this for jaunty maybe [10:40] ubuntu_demon: why do normal users not want that focus behaviour? [10:40] i mean that my mom would get confused if she opens a link and firefox doesnt come to front [10:41] asac: it used to be the default firefox behaviour (untill Hardy I believe). If you are reading your news feeds (for example through liferea) it's very irritating if you can't open a few items at once. [10:41] ubuntu_demon: yes. but thats newsreader use case [10:41] asac: same problem for reading email (but less so) [10:41] but for normal users doing that is confusing [10:42] asac: if someone sends you an email with a few links this behaviour is very tiresome [10:42] ubuntu_demon: why? if i click on that link i want to read it. so i expect firefox to come to front [10:43] mailing list and RSS feed might be different yes. but stopping firefox from coming to front all together [10:43] asac: If I get an email with a few links I want to click them all before switching to firefox [10:43] will cause confusion [10:43] asac: it has been the default firefox behaviour until recently [10:43] ubuntu_demon: yeah. but you are able to change that pref ;) ... while my mom isnt able to do that ;) [10:44] asac: True :) [10:44] asac: but your mom isn't very likely to click on links other than inside firefox itself (for example websites,webmail,...) [10:47] asac: also not everyone might be able to find this option [10:49] asac: if you think that a lot of regular people click on links inside external applications than you are completely right. But I think most regular people only click on links inside the web browser. [10:50] asac did you did get kicked off internet or something ? :) [10:51] ubuntu_demon: yeah sorry. reconnect [10:51] 11:44 < ubuntu_demon> asac: True :) [10:51] 11:44 < asac> ubuntu_demon: you mean the behaviour changed from firefox 2 to firefox 3? [10:51] thats the last i got [10:52] (11:44:34 AM) ubuntu_demon: asac: but your mom isn't very likely to click on links other than inside firefox itself (for example websites,webmail,...) [10:52] (11:47:52 AM) ubuntu_demon: asac: also not everyone might be able to find this option [10:52] (11:49:50 AM) ubuntu_demon: asac: if you think that a lot of regular people click on links inside external applications than you are completely right. But I think most regular people only click on links inside the web browser. [10:53] ubuntu_demon: i will think about it. i also have to investigate why it was changed by firefox devs [10:53] asac: I'm sure that the behaviour changed. I'm quite sure it happened from 2 to 3. [10:53] most likely they had the argument i gave [10:53] most common case i can see for "normal" users is having links in IM messaging [10:56] asac_: that's a good point. Do you think people want firefox to get focus immediately when you click on a link (not being able to use your IM window) ? [10:58] asac_: Most users who do use IM are probably smart enough to bring firefox to the foreground. I don't know what they would prefer. [11:00] ubuntu_demon: actually i think its a window manager thing [11:00] firefox most likely uses the abstract function gtk_window_present [11:00] what the window manager makes out of it is undefined [11:00] some raise the window [11:00] others just flash the task bar item === asac_ is now known as asac [11:01] what normal users dont want, is that they click a link and nothing happens [11:02] asac: flashing the task bar item would be a good solution [11:02] ubuntu_demon: yeah. but thats at the window managers descretion [11:03] i think metacity raises window on present [11:03] i think compiz indicates activity on the taskbar [11:03] anyway. have to think about it. test and see whats up ;) [11:04] asac: okay thanks for your time :) [11:05] asac: It's possible for applications to set some hint to flash the taskbar. Pidgin can do this. [11:07] asac: pidgin calls it the window manager "URGENT" hint (plugins->message notification) [11:11] asac: there's a epiphany extension which does it but that code won't work in firefox : http://www.sstuhr.dk/epiphany-extensions/#ext-urgentcontentnotify [12:37] asac, any idea why nspluginwrapper was not built on i386 ?? [12:37] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+builds?build_text=nspluginwrapper&build_state=all [12:37] https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+publishinghistory# [12:37] Bug 284689 [12:37] Launchpad bug 284689 in nspluginwrapper "[Intrepid] Please add i386 build to nspluginwrapper 1.1.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284689 [12:37] i didn't touch the "Architecture: amd64 i386" [12:53] err [12:53] fta: are we sure that thepackage before was actually NEWed? [12:54] asac, your previous upload was fine on i386, and locally mine built too [12:55] fta: ok if you tried to ubildit on i386 then ping seb. he is buildd admin i think [12:55] maybe someone funny added a manually blacklisting or something [12:55] asac, seb128 ? [12:55] yes [12:55] cool [12:55] or pitti ... they might have better ideas then me [12:57] fta: let me know what you found out ;) [13:00] sure [13:00] i'm starting to like that dark theme.. just a bit [13:01] didnt we have firefox 3.1b1? [13:02] already* [13:05] where? [13:05] fta: in your PPA or MT's PPA [13:06] it's only in my ppa [13:06] and a2 in MT's ppa [13:06] but it didn't make it in intrepid :( [13:07] yeah i know it didnt but that is fine people still have issues using stable firefox ;) [13:28] bug 194894 [13:28] Launchpad bug 194894 in firefox "Hardy's Firefox reports "version 1.9b3" in "about:"" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194894 [13:29] can someone test the above bug on Hardy [13:36] asac: have you heard of a patch for sunbird about generating/installing calendar-timezone.xpi (im fairly sure its -timezone.xpi i know calendar is right? [13:37] asac: Fallen knows about the bug, not sure if you still talk to him or not [13:45] hmm [13:45] gnomefreak: if you built sunbird locally [13:45] is there anything like timezone in the dist/ directory? [13:45] maybe dist/xpi-stage ? [13:48] asac: it doesnt generate it at all [13:49] i may see if ther eis a newer version released with the patch already but still on bug reports atm for Ubuntu [13:49] hmm [13:49] gnomefreak: are you trying 0.9? [13:49] or our package version? [13:50] 0.9 [13:51] asac: i already built it but the .xpi isnt genrated nor installed. i looked at Makein and install.rdf and from what i can tell it looks right (these were in ./timezone dir. [13:53] asac: 0.9 is in PPA and bzr branch(mine) [13:53] gnomefreak: maybe that timezone thing is just a third party extension? [13:53] gnomefreak: yeah. will upload it right when jaunty opens [13:54] asac: no Fallen has said sunbird should gen it and install it he had to do something to get his working but i dont recall what [13:54] asac: not until its fixed please [13:54] it doesnt work at all without that xpi [13:54] it opens but that is it you get error and nothing works than [14:00] i havent updated iceowl for this reason as of now [14:09] gnomefreak: i havent seen the "fallen" patch [14:09] can you show that to me? [14:09] he didnt patch it he changed it locally [14:09] when i get done i will ask him, i think im in there [14:10] hes away atm [14:12] well. lets get him provide detailed infos on what he did [14:12] its just too much guesswork if we dont know what he means ;) [14:13] asac are you in any of the mozilla chanels? [14:17] he is [14:17] dev and sm [14:17] maybe more [14:19] mainly #developers [14:19] not sure where else ;) [14:19] i guess i left most other channels [14:20] ok in sometime this morning i will ping him and ask. [14:24] yeah ... probably best [14:30] ok pinged him but his nick is |away [14:32] im not sure if smuxi has beeps when nick is used so i may not see it right away but i told him if im not here or if he would rather conatct you about it. im gonna be looking for another job most of today i think [14:38] asac: fta can we drop the ~cvs part in sunbird tarball for stable versions in mozilla-devscripts [14:38] use a tag [14:38] im assuming we dont want to upload with it [14:39] a --help would b nice too ;) [14:40] there is one [14:40] there's also a README [14:41] thers no --help [14:47] gnomefreak, /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient/mozclient.pl --help [14:48] ah [14:50] crimsun, pulseaudio is now stuck at 50% on my dual core 2 :( [14:50] crimsun, downgrading :( [14:57] crimsun, i'm back to 0.9.10-2ubuntu8 [15:03] fta: that is the version in intrepid [15:04] yes [15:04] ah testing [15:12] ok using make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/lightning-sunbird.mk DEBIAN_DATE=20081017t0956 get-orig-source [15:12] no [15:12] gives me ~cvs2008..... [15:12] after -f? [15:12] for upstream releases, use the corresponding tag [15:12] look at the last example [15:13] mozclient.pl --tag FIREFOX_3_0rc1_RELEASE=1.2.3 nspr [15:13] => nspr_1.2.3.orig.tar.gz [15:14] us mozclient.pl instead of make -f? [15:14] use [15:14] if you prefer to use the makefile instead of the perl script, it's DEBIAN_TAG=TAG=version, equiv of -t TAG=version [15:15] ok [15:15] the README is a bit off than [15:16] i don't think so, it hasn't changed for a long while [15:16] make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/minefield-packager.mk [15:16] $ sudo dpkg -i firefox-minefield_3.0~b5~build2008032304-1_i386.deb [15:16] i dont see ~cvs [15:17] this is different, it's a packager for upstream builds [15:17] this has nothing to do with mozclient [15:17] this is something i use to track regressions with the official nightlies [15:18] this is documented in the README too [15:20] OK LET ME TRY THIS [15:20] OOPS [15:22] gnomefreak@Development:~/test$ mozclient.pl --tag LIGHTNING-SUNBIRD_0.9 [15:22] bash: mozclient.pl: command not found [15:22] shoudlnt that be a command [15:22] /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.pl --tag LIGHTNING-SUNBIRD_0.9 lightning-sunbird [15:22] ah still have to use path [15:23] yes, it's not in /usr/bin [15:24] do i need to install something? [15:24] other than m-d [15:25] bash: /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.pl: No such file or directory [15:25] add make -f maybe? [15:25] oops /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient/mozclient.pl [15:26] it fails too [15:27] hold on pastbining it [15:28] http://pastebin.mozilla.org/556170 [15:28] fails on cvs co [15:28] your tag is wrong, it's SUNBIRD_0_9_RELEASE [15:28] must not contain the characters `$,.:;@ [15:29] ok [15:29] where did you find LIGHTNING-SUNBIRD_0.9 ??? use SUNBIRD_0_9_RELEASE instead [15:30] .:10:22:39:. < fta > /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient.pl --tag LIGHTNING-SUNBIRD_0.9 lightning-sunbird [15:30] you provided it first [15:30] amd make -f used it as that [15:31] make -f /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/lightning-sunbird.mk get-orig-source [15:31] so i figured it only knew lightning-* [15:32] the tag has to be the exact tag used by upstream in cvs, you can't guess it randomly [15:33] well im leaning towards its not me [15:33] nope not me [15:33] no matter how i do it it fails [15:33] use /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient/mozclient.pl -l lightning-sunbird | grep SUNBIRD [15:34] SUNBIRD_0_9_RELEASE [15:35] there is also branch and RC2 [15:35] /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient/mozclient.pl --tag SUNBIRD_0.9_RELEASE lightning-sunbird [15:35] fails [15:35] same error [15:35] if it's really released, use the _RELEASE tag [15:35] it is [15:36] its final release [15:36] $ /usr/share/mozilla-devscripts/mozclient/mozclient.pl --tag SUNBIRD_0_9_RELEASE lightning-sunbird [15:36] -rw-r--r-- 1 fta fta 37554980 2008-10-17 16:35 lightning-sunbird_0.9+nobinonly.orig.tar.gz [15:36] works for me [15:37] than why failing here? [15:38] same error even after removing moztemp dir [15:39] using *-devscripts 0.11~fta6 [15:40] oh [15:40] _ [15:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/58832/ [15:40] much better [15:40] i used 0.9 but should use 0_9 [15:42] thanks now i can test to see if they fixed it [16:03] ok im out for a while waiting for sunbird to build === KB1OHY_Rich is now known as KB1OHY [16:28] can someone link me to the cairo/fontconfig bug [16:29] Starks__: most likely fta can [16:29] just did [16:29] thx [16:29] thx [16:29] didnt see it here ;) [16:30] he asked me in pm [16:31] k [16:31] for the records, mozilla bug 458612 [16:31] Mozilla bug 458612 in GFX: Thebes "Font regression using system cairo" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458612 [16:32] there's also mozilla bug 456578 [16:33] Mozilla bug 456578 in GFX: Thebes "Font rendering regression (hinting)" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=456578 [16:38] fta: I've cornered it between r19805 and r19808. [16:38] those links are broken (somewhat) [16:39] asac, bugzilla bug [16:40] but the root cause of all this is really mozilla bug 385263 [16:40] fta: yeah. but what is the real link ;) [16:40] Mozilla bug 385263 in GFX: Thebes "[pango] we call FT_Open_Face twice per font" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=385263 [16:41] http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/25ca781361ed [16:41] http://hg.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/rev/406819ca370c [16:42] asac: hi! [16:42] asac: did you had chance to check the branch> [16:42] ? [16:43] nxvl: yesterday yes. it didnt start with the right revision [16:43] nxvl: thus you ended up loosing the change that fixed the maxVersion [16:43] nxvl: or did you redo that already? [16:44] nxvl: i am not really usre how to find out except that bfiller_ should try hard to remember when he exactly started to work on this feature [16:44] it's actually the right version, revision 177 [16:44] i made some adjustments to the changelog [16:44] let me grab the original changelog [16:44] nxvl: no. point is that in the revision you built on top there was the maxVersion=. ... fix [16:44] asac: rev 177 [16:44] but that isnt in your rules, so that wasnt the revision you started ;) [16:44] let me double check [16:45] asac: let me double check too, might have been 176, looking now.. [16:45] asac: http://paste.ubuntu.com/58871 [16:45] that's the original changelog [16:46] as you can see it has a UNRELEASED version before that, and the only possibility is revision 177 [16:46] bfiller_: no it must have been much earlier i think [16:46] bfiller_: maybe you started with something ... then when we released 3.0.1 you copied the rules the same way as done now [16:46] so we need to find the revision where you based the rules on [16:47] mmm [16:47] asac: would it be easier for me to provide exactly what needs to be added? it's only a few lines to the rules [16:47] that might be [16:47] bfiller_: that would help, yes [16:47] nxvl: doing that now [16:47] bfiller_: maybe we should do that [16:48] e.g. start with a fresh 3.0.3 branch [16:48] then open new changelog for your security update [16:48] add the changes to rules [16:48] and then lets do thorough QA [16:48] to check that nothing regressed [16:49] anyway ... have to run to run some urgent errands ;) ... will be back in a while (2-3h) [17:05] nxvl: here is the diff (against rev 182) of changes to the rules file that I made: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/58878/ [17:05] nxvl: where is our branch on LP? [17:06] bfiller_: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~oem-solutions-group/firefox/firefox-3.0.hardy [17:06] bfiller_: are you taking care of this? [17:07] nxvl: no, just trying to understand it [17:08] ok [17:08] i will to it right now then [17:12] nxvl: should we speak on the phone? I want to understand exactly what we're doing, I'm a bit confused still :) [17:13] i'm aplying you patch to asac'c branch [17:13] your* [17:14] but if you want a call i've no problem [17:14] just give me one second that i'm pushing the branch [18:47] nxvl: ok. looks good. one thing isnt accurate though [18:47] you have a orig.tar.gz. that isnt identical to the one we ship [18:48] yes [18:48] this should be reflected in the "upstream" version [18:48] right [18:48] or is there anyway to add the branding without touching the orig.gz? [18:49] i would suggest: 3.0.3+build1+nobinonly+nb-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 :) [18:49] because i can't use a patch, since it was some icons on it [18:49] nxvl: no its fine to use the changed orig [18:49] its just that this means that the upstream version part needs to be changed and not the packaging part [18:50] i was thinking in 3.0.3+build1netbook1+nobinonly-0ubuntu0.8.04.1 [18:50] so in general. if i take a package 1.0-0ubuntu1 and want to add something to the orig i would say 1.0+feature-0ubuntu1 [18:50] ok, will do that way === fta_ is now known as fta [18:52] another branding? gasp, we need a more generic way to ship them [18:52] fta: yes, it's for netbook [18:53] nxvl: also try to use debcommit [18:53] instead of bzr commit -m ... [18:53] why is that needed? ins't plain ff or abrowser usable ? or even fennec [18:54] it will use your changelog entry [18:54] oh [18:54] will try [18:54] fta: thats hardy [18:54] ;) [18:54] nxvl: and try to keep the same changelog style - to get extra credit ;) [18:54] bfiller: ^^ [18:54] :P [18:55] but fine. now that we have this in a branch, future updates should be a breath [18:55] i hope [18:55] \o/ [18:56] nxvl: good. [18:56] nxvl: may i suggest that you subscribe to the firefox hardy and xulrunner branches we have [18:56] at least that will give you some automatic prewarning when the next update round is coming [18:56] right, xulrunner branch [18:57] asac, i have fennec 1.0~a1 in my ppa. looks nice now [18:57] asac, nxvl : just make sure netbook is in the package name, or else the rules file will need to be modified [18:57] fta: thats good crack for sure [18:57] bfiller: yeah. whatever. my point was just that the upstream version part needs to be changed and not the package revision part ;) [18:58] asac: understood [18:58] bfiller: but good to reemphasize [18:58] but hopefully that would show up when doing the relesae QA ;) [18:58] asac: for sure :) [19:00] fta: how to best run it? [19:01] fta: have you tried xephyr? [19:01] no need [19:01] just run it as usual [19:01] k [19:05] nxvl: ping, forgot my work for you? ^^ [19:06] sebner: what work? [19:06] Jazzva: Have you seen bug 279466? [19:06] Launchpad bug 279466 in foxyproxy "Error writing settings file: file:///usr/lib/firefox-3.0.3/foxyproxy.xml" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/279466 [19:07] nxvl: I need a little bit of motu-security magic :) [19:07] sebner: hows that? [19:07] bdmurray, I think I missed it... I'll look at it [19:08] Jazzva: great, thanks [19:08] nxvl: mind taking a look at bug #278978 , see last comment :) [19:08]