[00:23] <mxiia> have I been banned in #ubuntu, if so why?
[00:23] <LjL> yes, you have. let me check on the "why" part
[00:24] <PriceChild> LjL: spam.
[00:24] <LjL> that's... correct! though you win no prize.
[00:25] <mxiia> oh... when do i get unbanned... I dont remember spamming
[00:25] <LjL> mxiia, saying "SPAM" three times in a row isn't a very subtle way to spam
[00:25] <mxiia> ?
[00:25] <LjL> mxiia, did you check the fine print in Mibbit, which said you're *not* anonymous?
[00:25] <mxiia> yea...
[00:25] <mxiia> prolly was my sister on my account, though not blaming others..
[00:26] <LjL> 2008-10-12T19:40:29 <MXII4> SPAM
[00:26] <LjL> 2008-10-12T19:40:31 <MXII4> SPAM
[00:26] <LjL> 2008-10-12T19:40:32 <MXII4> SPAM
[00:26] <mxiia> yea
[00:26] <mxiia> <_<
[00:26] <mneptok> this is why screensavers have passwords, son
[00:27] <PriceChild> mxiia: You are responsible for the connections you make.
[00:27] <mxiia> Yes, i know, how long am I banned?
[00:27] <PriceChild> Mimi: outbri: Can I help either of you?
[00:28] <LjL> mxiia: you or your sister joined, then after being banned, attempted to join again for 2 hours. for some reason that seems to me uncomfortably much to believe it was an accident
[00:28] <outbri> Wow, this channel gets quite a bit of attention. ;) No, I just heard about the channel in a reply to mxii #ubuntu and thought I'd check it out.
[00:29] <PriceChild> outbri: could you reword that last bit please, I didn't quite understand.
[00:29] <outbri> In a reply to mxii *in* the #ubuntu channel.
[00:30] <LjL> #ubuntu+1, even
[00:30] <outbri> Err, yeah. In other words, you don't have to waste any time on me, I didn't need anything.
[00:31] <LjL> outbri: ok, but we'd prefer this channels' discussion to remain private between the ops and the people involved
[00:32] <outbri> Sounds good to me, even if it is 50 ops to each person. :P
[00:32] <outbri> Cya.
[01:43] <LjL> if you have someone in -proxy-users who you feel comfortable joining #ubuntu, you can "exempt nick!ident@host" in -ops-monitor from now on
[01:43] <LjL> an exempt will be added by the bots, and removed when the user parts or is kicked (just like with mibbit)
[01:45] <nalioth> excellent :)  grazi, LjL 
[01:46] <LjL> grazie* ;)
[01:49] <PriceChild> automatic mibbit one still done?
[01:53] <LjL> sure PriceChild
[01:53] <LjL> unless i've introduced bugs in the process, but i checked briefly and it still worked
[01:53] <LjL> on the other hand
[01:54] <LjL> after today's quite unpleasant flood that the floodbots managed to do almost nothing about
[01:56] <LjL> i've tightened the flood triggers a little
[01:56] <LjL> that means, however, that if a bot gets very lagged, it *could* go berserk and set +rR without any actual attack
[01:56] <LjL> hope it never happens but if it does well, let me know
[02:06] <PriceChild> fail
[02:11] <LjL> uh...
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: didn't fail, that was someone testing the bots
[02:11] <PriceChild> sorry, i was thinking the evil person was failing
[02:11] <LjL> PriceChild: look at "Expl0ited"
[02:12] <PriceChild> hmm?
[02:12] <LjL> (also, the exploitER had an unaffiliated cloak, by the way)
[02:13] <LjL> PriceChild: well, it's weird that someone whose nickname is "Expl0ited" would fall victim of an exploit... no?
[02:14] <LjL> might just be me being overly suspicious of course.
[02:14] <PriceChild> very odd
[03:01] <StonewallJackson> I am stonewall Jackson
[03:11] <StoneWallJackson> I am StoneWallJackson
[08:43] <jussi01> Morning all!
[08:43] <jussi01> hrm... Stonewall jackson... right...
[08:47] <Flannel> Howdy jussi01
[08:48] <jussi01> Morning flannel
[09:17] <Flannel> I can't decide whether A|}EEL is trying to cause problems, or just... being himself
[14:04] <Tm_T> hi LjL && Mez 
[14:05] <LjL> hi
[14:25] <Mez> hey Tm_T 
[14:25]  * Mez wonders why the < and > round a user are now unreadable
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[14:31] <jdong> Mez: did you switch from a black to white terminal or vice-versa and forget to update your theme? :)
[14:32] <Mez> nope... still same theme, same terminal
[14:32] <Mez> it's just the ones around nicks are purple, and hard to see, they werent earlier
[14:33] <Mez> infact, It's still the same session as when they were visible
[14:36]  * jdong blames it on compiz.
[14:36]  * Mez doesnt use compiz
[14:41] <Mez> what happened to Myrtti?
[14:43] <Tm_T> Mez: he's on duty elsewhere
[14:43] <Mez> he?
[14:43] <Tm_T> she, bah
[14:43] <Tm_T> whatever
[14:43] <Mez> "on duty"?
[14:44] <Tm_T> dunno details
[14:44]  * Mez sends an SMS
[14:44] <Tm_T> I hope he can receive one, as she stated that he cannot take calls
[14:45] <Tm_T> she
[14:45] <Tm_T> bah, she's more he than I am
[14:47] <Pici> o.O
[16:10] <LjL> !version
[16:10] <LjL> !no version is <reply> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -dc » in a !shell - To know the available version of a package, « apt-cache policy <package> »
[16:39] <Mez> LjL: ??
[16:39] <LjL> yes?
[16:40] <Mez> why dc instead of rc?
[16:40] <LjL> ljl@ljlbox:~$ lsb_release -rc
[16:40] <LjL> Release:        8.04
[16:40] <LjL> Codename:       hardy
[16:40] <LjL> ljl@ljlbox:~$ lsb_release -dc
[16:40] <LjL> Description:    Ubuntu 8.04.1
[16:40] <LjL> Codename:       hardy
[16:40] <Mez> yeah, I know the difference
[16:40] <Mez> but.
[16:40] <LjL> but, "-r" doesn't give you the real version.
[16:40] <Mez> Description:	Ubuntu intrepid (development branch)
[16:40] <Mez> Codename:	intrepid
[16:41] <LjL> for that matter, i don't know why that's been changed from "lsb_release -a" to begin with
[16:41] <Mez> @login
[16:41] <LjL> Mez: well that's correct
[16:41] <LjL> Intrepid doesn't really have a version number yet
[16:41] <LjL> it might be delayed (it won't, but)
[16:42] <Mez> !version =~ s/lsb_release -dc/lsb_release -a/
[16:42] <Mez> !version
[16:42] <LjL> good call, i'm pretty sure nobody will be bothered by the couple more informative lines that outputs.
[16:43] <Mez> and er, why use policy, policy is a bit confusing right?
[16:43] <LjL> what else would you use? it's the command virtually everyone gives in #ubuntu to check package version, both installed and available, and just where it came from
[16:43] <Mez> madison ?
[16:44] <LjL> doesn't even tell you whether the package is actually installed
[16:44] <Mez> dpkg -l ? :P
[16:45] <LjL> what's wrong with apt-cache policy? it's just what that command exists for
[16:45] <Mez> It's not very readable to be used in a factoid like that
[16:46] <LjL> not sure i see why
[16:46] <Mez> well, do you understand what
[16:46] <Mez>         500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[16:46] <Mez>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[16:46] <LjL> the output of dpkg -l, on the other hand, is far from readable
[16:46] <Mez> means?
[16:46] <LjL> of course i do
[16:47] <LjL> the version is available from intrepid's main repository, british mirror, with priority 500
[16:47] <LjL> it's known to the local status file
[16:47] <Mez> priority ?
[16:47] <LjL> yes, the repository's priority is 500
[16:47] <Mez> what do you mean "priority"?
[16:48] <LjL> i mean that if APT has to choose between two packages, it will choose the one with the higher priority
[16:48] <LjL> the security repository has a high priority
[16:48] <LjL> locally installed packages have a low priority
[16:49] <Mez> not neccessarily
[16:49] <LjL> anyway, no one can mistake the part where it says "Installed: <version>, Candidate: <version>"
[16:50] <Mez> It's actually the pinning priority ;)
[16:50] <stdin> Mez, LjL: it was changed to -rc because people often paste all of "lsb_release -a" to the channel
[16:50] <Mez> stdin: all 4 ?
[16:51] <LjL> Mez: what other priority there is?
[16:51] <Flannel> LjL: Any?
[16:51] <stdin> Mez: why 4 when 2 will do
[16:51] <LjL> Flannel: hm?
[16:51] <Mez> stdin: why 2 when 1 will do?
[16:51] <Flannel> LjL: You can specify arbitrary priorities
[16:51] <stdin> and it'll probably print 5 actually
[16:52] <LjL> stdin: because they don't really
[16:52] <Flannel> The important thing about -a vs the others is it also has the codename
[16:52] <Flannel> oh wait
[16:52] <LjL> Flannel: -c gives the codename
[16:52] <Flannel> LjL: see above
[16:52] <Mez> why not lsb_release -c
[16:53] <Flannel> Mez: because that's not the actual release name?
[16:53] <LjL> Mez: because a lot of people know their codenames but not their version numbers, and vice versa
[16:53] <stdin> -a == -virdc
[16:53]  * Flannel is torn between -d and -r
[16:53] <Flannel> well, with -c
[16:53] <LjL> also
[16:53] <LjL> "description" (-d or -a) will let us know whether they're actually using ubuntu
[16:53] <LjL> or a derivative
[16:53] <LjL> "release" won't
[16:53] <Flannel> actually, thats sometimes important
[16:54] <LjL> yes, it is, given the amount of Mint etc. users who sneak in
[16:54] <Flannel> so, lets just leave it as -a, most people know not to paste, etc.
[16:54] <Flannel> social fixes for social problems, etc.
[16:54] <stdin> do all derivatives change the description?
[16:54] <LjL> Flannel: and if they don't, they'll find out one way or another anyway
[16:54] <Mez> echo /etc/lsb-release 
[16:54] <Flannel> LjL: but it makes it easier for us ;)
[16:54] <Mez> s/echo/cat/
[16:54] <LjL> stdin: well, maybe the stupid ones don't, but there's only so much i can do about it
[16:54] <LjL> Mez, that's what the factoid used to say (well, it said /etc/issue) years ago
[16:55] <Flannel> LjL: that's not acceptable!  you need to go change all of the derivative's descriptions.
[16:55] <LjL> Flannel: i will certainly bug them if i find out, you can bet on that
[16:55] <LjL> Flannel: the trademarks department of canonical would normally also like to hear about that
[16:57] <LjL> Flannel: anyway with "they'll find out one way or another", i meant to say that, if they don't paste all the five lines of -a but just two of them, then 5 minutes later they'll paste their entire xorg.conf
[16:58] <LjL> so if someone doesn't know they should use the pastebin, it's even better they start finding out while pasting something small
[17:44]  * Flannel is the reason for the double post
[17:51] <Pici> !ufw
[17:56] <genii> Good morning, afternoon or evening.
[17:56] <Flannel> Howdy genii
[17:56] <Pici> Hallo
[17:57] <genii> I'm on today with Konversation but tonight after work I'll return for more irssi practice...
[17:57] <genii> ;)
[17:58] <Pici> Heh ;)
[18:00] <PriceChild> genii: You don't have to switch.
[18:00] <Pici> genii: Obi-wan never told you what happened to your father.
[18:01] <genii> PriceChild: I figure I should probably know how it works anyways since the scripting features which make moderating easier, etc
[18:01] <genii> Pici: Yes, he was a fellow full of secrets
[18:03] <PriceChild> genii: time so far been at all eventful?
[18:04] <genii> PriceChild: As far as moderating #kubuntu , no. One fellow spamming some which I thnk mneptok took care of
[18:04] <PriceChild> Good good.
[18:04] <genii> They are generally well behaved in there :)
[18:23] <Mez> genii: indeed, :D thats why I prefer the kubuntu channels, less ops calls ;)
[18:24] <genii> How often does a mass bot attack like yesterday happen ?
[18:27] <Pici> genii: In #ubuntu?
[18:27] <Mez> depends on how evil the spammers are feeling
[18:28] <genii> Pici: Yeah there were what looked like maybe 6-10 different sites with botname variations
[18:28] <genii> Hmm
[18:29] <Pici> genii: Not too often, but often enough that we have the floodbots in place to handle mass joins and such.
[18:30] <genii> OK
[18:47] <LjL> widely depends on the time of the year, mostly
[18:50] <Mez> !eee is <alias> eeepc
[18:51]  * Mez is surprised it doesnt have info about nbr
[18:54] <Mez> o_O
[18:54] <Mez> my eeePC isnt booting
[18:55] <Mez> ah, left it on and knocked out power cable :D
[18:56] <jussi01> hehe
[19:06] <Tm_T> hi kids
[19:07] <ikonia> magnetron appears to be going off the rails
[19:10]  * Mez rolls eyes
[19:11]  * Mez wonders how the research team into FSOE is getting on
[19:11] <LjL> next time short ban, can't lead them to believe they can get this cruft through
[20:38] <LjL> !botabuse > ktron_    (ktron_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[20:56] <ScottK> maestrolinux has been popping in and out of Ubuntu IRC channels and link spamming.  He was just in #ubuntu-server.
[20:56] <ScottK> Riddell banned him in #kubuntu-devel, but I guess it needs doing on a wider basis.
[20:56] <christel> ScottK: klined, thanks
[20:57] <ScottK> Thank you.
[20:58] <christel> np