[15:22] <Don-S> Hi.
[15:23] <newz2000> hi
[16:55] <mpt> Double dagger!
[16:55] <mpt> It's been a while since I've seen one of those
[16:57] <newz2000> asterisks are so 2007
[19:52] <LaserJock> newz2000: around?
[19:58] <newz2000> hey LaserJock
[19:59] <LaserJock> newz2000: do you remember us discussion an Edubuntu download page a while back?
[19:59] <newz2000> yes I do
[19:59] <LaserJock> how hard is it on your end to do something like that?
[20:00] <newz2000> Not too hard, but will there be a traditional CD image download like in the past?
[20:00] <LaserJock> Edubuntu is kind of a different situation than Kubuntu in that we don't have the same set of disks
[20:00] <LaserJock> how do you mean by "traditional"?
[20:00] <newz2000> will there be an ISO?
[20:00] <LaserJock> oh, sure
[20:01] <newz2000> will it be on the same set of servers as kubuntu and ubuntu?
[20:01] <LaserJock> what I'd love to have though is a way to download the Ubuntu Alternate CD and the Edubuntu Addon CD from the interface
[20:01] <LaserJock> yes, they're on the same server
[20:01] <newz2000> oh, interesting, you want the ubuntu alternate cd?
[20:01] <newz2000> Hmm.
[20:01] <LaserJock> yeah
[20:02] <LaserJock> we actually *don't* want the Ubuntu Desktop CD
[20:02] <LaserJock> so it's a bit different
[20:02] <LaserJock> not sure if that'd mess you up
[20:02] <newz2000> I just removed the alternate CD from the download page for intrepid
[20:02] <newz2000> http://people.ubuntu.com/~mnuzum/tmp/downloadpage.html
[20:02] <LaserJock> oh no!!
[20:02] <newz2000> ironic isn't it
[20:02] <LaserJock> Edubuntu *specifically* needs the Alternate CD
[20:02] <LaserJock> our users are toast without it
[20:02] <newz2000> well, it's still there, just not as prominant
[20:03] <LaserJock> yeah, but that's causing us problems unfortunately
[20:03] <newz2000> having an edubuntu specific download page is actually a good idea in this case then
[20:03] <LaserJock> we tell people to go get the Ubuntu Alternate CD and often they just get the Desktop CD
[20:03] <newz2000> we could make it prominant for you and less so for us
[20:04] <LaserJock> because the Ubuntu download page doesn't really show the Alt disk well
[20:04] <newz2000> well, there will be a new page or section just for alternate
[20:04] <newz2000> so www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadoptions#alternate
[20:04] <newz2000> (as a contrived example)
[20:05] <LaserJock> well, here's another question
[20:05] <LaserJock> is it possible to start multiple downloads at the same time?
[20:05] <newz2000> good question, yes, I think so
[20:05] <LaserJock> I was thinking if our download page had a checkbox rather than radio button
[20:06] <LaserJock> so people could either choose to get the Ubuntu Alternate CD and Edubuntu Addon at  the same time
[20:06] <LaserJock> or if they already have the Ubuntu .iso they could just pick the Edubuntu .iso
[20:06] <newz2000> I wonder how well that would work downloading two isos at once
[20:07] <LaserJock> yeah, for bad connections it might suck :-)
[20:07] <newz2000> "might" :-)
[20:07] <LaserJock> anyway, I was just looking for linking between the two CDs
[20:07] <LaserJock> but I think the page can be worded sufficiently clearly
[20:08] <newz2000> is there just one edubuntu cd image?
[20:08] <LaserJock> yes
[20:08] <LaserJock> we have actually fairly easy requirements, they're just non-standard and not clear
[20:08] <newz2000> I'd say lets do this... create the download page that starts the download of the edubuntu CD and then while they're waiting for their download show them a page that explains that they *MUST* have the alternate CD
[20:08] <newz2000> including a link to that cd
[20:08] <LaserJock> You want either Ubuntu Alt + Edubuntu Addon or just Edubuntu Addon
[20:09] <LaserJock> ok, so bottom line is can this be done for Intrepid and is there anything I can do to make it work?
[20:10] <LaserJock> I have a fairly clear idea of wording, etc.
[20:10] <newz2000> Well, it's not hard to do for intrepid, basically I'll copy the kubuntu page and tweak the styles for your iframe
[20:10] <newz2000> then you embed the iframe in your site
[20:10] <newz2000> the landing page is on the ubuntu.com website
[20:10] <newz2000> we're going to revamp that for intrepid and make it cleaner
[20:11] <newz2000> we'd need to work on the conditional wording for the edubuntu users
[20:11] <newz2000> so if($edubuntu) { ?>Show something just for your users<?php } ?> everyone sees this
[20:12] <LaserJock> right
[20:12] <newz2000> 13 days to release
[20:12] <newz2000> i think we can do it
[20:12] <newz2000> why don't you go to the kubuntu download page and check out their iframe code and copy it to some hidden area of your site so you're comfortable with how it works
[20:12] <LaserJock> so if you could get a quick mockup I can send you wording
[20:13] <LaserJock> ah, good idea
[20:13] <newz2000> I will be able to do a mockup but it will not be until Monday or Tuesday of next week
[20:14] <LaserJock> no problemo
[20:14] <LaserJock> I'll get familiar with the stuff on my end with the kubuntu page
[20:14] <LaserJock> and then it should be a matter of getting the wording and options right
[20:14] <newz2000> yeah, and just changing a link to the edubuntu iframe when its ready
[21:56] <alex121> hello?
[21:56] <newz2000> hi
[21:57] <alex121> hey
[21:57] <alex121> so i heard about this project and i was wondering if you needed another web/PHP developer
[21:58] <newz2000> alex121: the web presence team or one of the specific projects we're working on?
[21:58] <alex121> the ubuntu wanted project
[21:58] <newz2000> ah
[21:59] <newz2000> I've not heard much chatter on that here on IRC, mostly on the list.
[21:59] <newz2000> alex121: are you on the email list?
[21:59] <alex121> no
[22:00] <newz2000> bye
[22:03] <huayra> mm... The ubuntu wanted project could actually be a subset of the spreadubuntu project...
[22:03] <huayra> hi newz2000!
[22:03] <huayra> (hubuntu here)
[22:03] <newz2000> hi huayra!
[22:03] <newz2000> ah
[22:04] <huayra> I am working in the site now
[22:04] <huayra> it's not moving quick, but we are working a lot in the LP setup
[22:04] <huayra> we may have some release ready stuff around the 22th
[22:04] <newz2000> ah, that's awesome
[22:08] <huayra> the 0.1 release will be the 30th
[22:08] <huayra> but as we spoke, I would really appreciate some help in optimizing the server
[22:08] <huayra> It's a LAMP Ubuntu 8.04
[22:08] <huayra> running drupal 5
[22:09] <newz2000> what help do you need optimizing the server?
[22:10] <huayra> we are expecting some heavy load from the 22th and one or two weeks after that
[22:10] <newz2000> how much ram do you have?
[22:10] <huayra> you said you had some cache tricks
[22:10] <huayra> 256
[22:10] <huayra> I can buy the double for a period if that's all that helps
[22:11] <newz2000> I'll let you decide that, but here's a couple things
[22:11] <huayra> I use a Xen slice from SliceHost
[22:11] <huayra> ok,listeninfg
[22:11] <newz2000> I mentioned limit the number of apache child process
[22:11] <newz2000> this is because each process uses ram
[22:11] <newz2000> so 25 - 40 is probably ideal
[22:11] <huayra> I put them down to 40 already
[22:12] <huayra> shall I just go 25?
[22:12] <newz2000> huayra: wait and see
[22:12] <huayra> ok
[22:13] <newz2000> do you have drupal set to make images and media files private (i.e. served via drupal) or public (i.e. served by apache)?
[22:13] <newz2000> public is easier on the server
[22:13] <huayra> I think drupal is controlling it, since we use heavily some imagemagick stuff
[22:14] <newz2000> not necessarily. Go into your settings and check if it's private or public
[22:16] <newz2000> that will be a big help, to go the next step you'd put a cache in front. Change your port on apache/drupal site to some high port (8080 for example) and then use squid or apache's mod_proxy to listen on 80 and proxy content for port 8080
[22:17] <newz2000> I'd say wait and see if you have problems before you go that route.
[22:17] <newz2000> Oh
[22:17] <newz2000> since you're on hardy definitely install xcache
[22:17] <newz2000> that'll give you about a 7x speed improvement for dynamic content
[22:22] <hubuntu> My machine hang up, but I have your message in the logs
[22:22] <hubuntu> thx newz2000 :)
[22:22] <newz2000> my pleasure.
[22:22] <hubuntu> I'll iinstall xcache