[01:08] <apachelogger> blizzz: TBH, in order to fix stuff in KDE you just need to have a text editor, the knowledge how to use google and a lot of time ;-)
[01:08] <apachelogger> poking code with code snippets might not be very productive but certainly works :P
[01:08] <blizzz> apachelogger: my eyes are two big question marks
[01:08] <apachelogger> perfect
[01:09] <blizzz> what do you point at?
[01:09] <apachelogger> blizzz: whether C++ knowledge is still required for doing some Kubuntu magic
[01:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: I will sneak a patch to increase kopenwithdialog's reliability in my kde4libs upload
[01:11] <apachelogger> currently it creates KService objects using findByName, which fails for a lot of apps
[01:12] <persia> apachelogger, One doesn't need C++ to cherrypick, but it can help when upstream is inactive.  I know I learned it because I needed to port an app and upstream said "Oh, I'l probably get to it in a couple years".
[01:12] <blizzz> apachelogger: i will tell that as side note ;)
[01:13] <apachelogger> persia: yeah, I am learning C++ so I can rewrite KDE's help center one day :)
[01:13] <apachelogger> horrible application right now
[01:14] <persia> heh.  Best way to learn is to be motivated to fix something :)
[01:14] <apachelogger> blizzz: perfect, and recruit me some minions :P
[01:15] <blizzz> i don't even know what this word mean in german
[01:16] <blizzz> ah Diener
[01:16] <blizzz> get Carlos
[01:16] <apachelogger> lol
[02:10] <a|wen> where should icons for kde4 apps be put ... in /usr/share/icons/hicolor* or in someplace else also
[02:11] <a|wen> ?
[02:19] <Hobbsee> a|wen: #ubuntu-motu should be reasonably desktop-agnostic - but a lot of people don't know kdepackaging in there.
[02:20] <a|wen> Hobbsee: there seemed to be around the same amount of life (eg. chance of an answer) in both channels
[02:21] <Hobbsee> a|wen: that's true.  particularly depends on when you ask, too.
[02:21] <a|wen> he, true enough
[02:22] <persia> Doesn't KDE4 just look in the standard XDG locations for icons?
[02:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: depends on the icons really
[02:24] <apachelogger> the application's icon always goes to hicolor
[02:24] <a|wen> apachelogger: it is the applications main icon (to be seen in the application launcher)
[02:24] <apachelogger> icons which are only used/of use for the app itself usually go to share/kde4/apps/APPNAME/icons/
[02:24] <apachelogger> though they can as well go to hicolor
[02:25] <apachelogger> a|wen: hicolor then
[02:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: seems the application launcher doesn't pick them up though
[02:26] <apachelogger> a|wen: KDE 4 application?
[02:26] <a|wen> yeah ... kvkbd
[02:26] <apachelogger> hm
[02:27] <apachelogger> kquitapp plasma && plasma&
[02:28] <a|wen> apachelogger: i tried to logout/login again
[02:28] <apachelogger> hmmm
[02:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: are you sure the name in the desktop file matches the icon name?
[02:31] <a|wen> apachelogger: it does
[02:32] <apachelogger> very odd
[02:33] <apachelogger> a|wen: can you upload the icon and desktop file somewhere
[02:34] <a|wen> apachelogger: was just going to
[02:36] <a|wen-intrepid> apachelogger: the .desktop file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59091/
[02:38] <a|wen-intrepid> apachelogger: and this is the location of the icon files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59092/
[02:39] <apachelogger> a|wen: try a new user
[02:43] <a|wen> apachelogger: not any better :/
[02:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: uploaded kde4libs
[02:44] <apachelogger> a|wen: technically it should work, are the permissions of the icon files correct?
[02:47] <a|wen> apachelogger: 644 root:root in all cases (i suppose this is right)
[02:48] <apachelogger> meh
[02:48] <apachelogger> a|wen: no idea then
[02:48] <apachelogger> in theory it should be working
[02:50] <a|wen> apachelogger: strange ... it uses the icon to bounce up/down when i start the app; but can't display it still
[02:50] <apachelogger> hm, maybe a caching issue
[02:53] <a|wen> apachelogger: didn't we have a problem with the konversation icon not showing in certain cases?
[02:53] <apachelogger> that was due to konversation not being stored in /kde4
[02:54] <apachelogger> kvkbd on the other hand is
[02:55] <a|wen-intrepid> apachelogger: if i add konveration to favorites it doesn't show a correct icon <-- same for you?
[02:57] <a|wen-intrepid> i suppose this could be the reason for it:
[02:57] <Hobbsee> who sponsored the kdebase-workspace change?
[02:57] <a|wen-intrepid> wrong size -> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/konversation.png:   PNG image data, 31 x 31, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell!
[03:23] <vorian> evening
[03:27] <nixternal> evening to you as well good sir
[03:28] <apachelogger> a|wen: fix for that awaits approval
[03:29] <a|wen> apachelogger: okay ... then i'll stay away from that :)
[03:32]  * vorian thinks apachelogger never sleeps
[03:34] <apachelogger> sleep is overrated
[03:34]  * a|wen will go to sleep
[03:35] <vorian> ha
[03:35] <a|wen> i can sleep an hour extra for you apachelogger ;)
[03:35] <vorian> congrats on your membership a|wen :)
[03:35] <a|wen> thx vorian :)
[03:35] <apachelogger> a|wen: very nice, thank you ;-)
[03:36] <a|wen> night everyone, see you tomorrow
[03:36] <vorian> nn
[03:53] <nixternal> apachelogger: what is top of the agenda right now?
[03:54] <apachelogger> nixternal: getting lang packs fixed ;-)
[03:54] <apachelogger> and bug triage, as always
[03:55] <nixternal> do we have a list of "must fix now" bugs?
[04:00] <apachelogger> not really, just check out the once targeted for 8.10
[04:03] <nixternal> roger that
[04:57] <nixternal> kile in svn actually builds and runs
[04:58] <nixternal> impressive..however it is very rough
[04:58] <ScottK-palm> nixternal: How's your dbus?
[04:58] <nixternal> not as good as my udev or hal :P
[04:58] <nixternal> what's up?
[04:59] <nixternal> I have been up to my kneck writing some code around udev and hal for our appliance at work...what a headache that has been
[04:59] <ScottK-palm> There's a guidance-power-manager bug I could use some help on.
[04:59] <ScottK-palm> Back in a second with the number.
[05:00] <ScottK-palm> nixternal: Bug 277678
[05:00] <nixternal> ya, I get that damn thing all of the time...I can take a gander at that
[05:02] <ScottK-palm> I don't get that one.
[05:03] <nixternal> maybe this isn't the one I get...must be another 2.5 one that I have ignored for the time being as I have already commented on it
[05:03] <ScottK-palm> Which?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: your bugfix has been accepted, but has failed on lpia.
[05:07] <txwikinger> ichthux?
[05:08] <Hobbsee> as did ppx
[05:08] <Hobbsee> ppc
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:08] <Hobbsee> and sparc.
[05:08] <ScottK-palm> A lot of kde is broken on lpia and all of it on hppa.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> ScottK-palm: nah, it's a broken rules file
[05:09] <ScottK-palm> Ah.
[05:09] <txwikinger> hmm. I have to look into that then
[05:10] <Hobbsee> txwikinger: ah.  you don't have all the files for all the architectures in the source directory.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> you've got 4 desktop-<flavour>, but 6 live-recommends-<flavour>, and no mention of lpia anywhere
[05:10] <Hobbsee> etc
[05:11] <txwikinger> ok.. I will have a look
[05:11]  * txwikinger tries to figure out how to test userconfig within systemsettings
[05:15] <ScottK-palm> Hobbsee: Please beat nixternal with your stick until he fixes my Guidance bug.
[05:15] <ScottK-palm> See you all later.
[05:15] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:15] <Hobbsee> cya
[05:26] <nixternal> ScottK: looks like the GetAllProperties call in powermanage.py needs to be in a try: except:
[05:27] <nixternal> !pastebin
[05:32] <nixternal> ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59141/
[06:14] <jussi01> rgreening: now you are a member, you get specialness like a cloak :)
[06:15] <Hobbsee> prepare to be spammed!
[06:31] <Hobbsee> another thing kubuntu has, but ubuntu doesn't by deafult.  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14514/
[07:14] <rgreening> 42
[07:14] <NCommander> rgreening, its 47 now once you correct for inflation
[07:15] <rgreening> lol
[07:15] <rgreening> It's the answer, but what it the question?
[07:15] <rgreening> Dirk Gently knows
[07:17] <rgreening> I lost you probably huh? Read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams)
[07:31] <NCommander> rgreening, no, I read it
[07:31] <NCommander> You didn't get the 47 ;-)
[07:31] <NCommander> In Star Trek, its the answer corrected for inflation
[07:52] <jussi01> Just finished my intrepid upgrade from hardy!
[07:52] <jussi01> worked suprisingly well considering I had all sorts of weird stuff installed, the kubuntu members repo etc
[11:08] <NCommander> Riddell, ping
[11:10] <Riddell> hi NCommander
[11:10] <Riddell> jussi01: any problems?
[11:12] <jussi01> Riddell: a few, x didnt start and I had to reconfigure and reinstall fglrx, lost all my konq bookmarks, (thank god for backups) and a few other configs
[11:14] <jussi01> Riddell: regarding bug 281808 - Ive added a whole lot of info and done some debugging with crimsun but still stumped on that.
[11:19] <Riddell> flash can be nasty
[11:19] <seaLne> interesting update-manager fails on my machine at home complaining about needing way too much disk space in /boot :(
[11:19] <NCommander> Riddell, can I steal you for an upload of linux-lpia in one or two hours?
[11:20] <seaLne> so unfortunatly not just a fluke at work
[11:22] <Riddell> seaLne: make sure you report a bug about that and attach /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[11:22] <seaLne> yeah just trying to find the bug i reported last time
[11:22] <seaLne> #264282
[11:23] <Riddell> then poke mvo politely
[11:25] <a|wen> crappy kde icon cache not updating itself ... that's why things doesn't seem to work right
[11:26] <a|wen> Riddell: i have an update to kvkbd including icons ready for you in 10 minutes? ... no more missing icons on a default kubuntu install
[11:31] <Riddell> a|wen: does smarter know?
[11:32]  * smarter waves
[11:32] <a|wen> hi smarter :)
[11:32] <smarter> what's your update?
[11:32] <a|wen> it's simply adding some icons to kvkbd
[11:32] <smarter> in the desktop file?
[11:32] <smarter> if so, I've fixed it in the svn
[11:33] <smarter> in fact, I may release Kvkbd 0.6 with tons of fixes today if the patch ossi sent me for apps-on-kdm work
[11:33] <a|wen> the desktop files already mentions icons ... but there isn't any installed or in the package
[11:33] <smarter> a|wen: shouldn't be needed, it uses an oxygen icon
[11:33] <smarter> (which is a standard fd.o icon name afaik)
[11:34] <a|wen> smarter: ahh, cool (that is someting new then, i suppose=
[11:34] <a|wen> ?
[11:34] <smarter> don't remember how it was in 0.5.99 :P
[11:34] <smarter> there's a package on my ppa if you want to test
[11:35] <a|wen> smarter: i'll give it a spin and see if it looks good :)
[11:37] <smarter> also, once 0.6 is released I'll try to plasmoidify Kvkbd :)
[11:39] <a|wen> uhh ... we also need a good keyboard for the touchscreens
[11:40] <smarter> well, kvkbd should work on touchscreens
[11:41] <a|wen> of course ... but it needs to be über-cool as well
[11:41] <smarter> that's why I make it a plasmoid :P
[11:41] <smarter> then we can have themes and stuff
[11:41] <smarter> and rotated keyboard \o/
[11:41] <smarter> (not sure if that word exists :p)
[11:42] <a|wen> just my point
[11:42] <a|wen> :)
[11:49] <a|wen> smarter: svn snapshop seems to look good ... if you have anything else you need tested regarding it, just throw a msg
[12:21] <mornfall> --> Seoul. Don't forget to hit on new Adept... ; - )
[12:23] <apachelogger> argh
[12:23] <apachelogger> does hunters are killin animals again
[12:24] <apachelogger> there goes the good mood
[13:18] <apachelogger> "write the root password down"
[13:18]  * apachelogger rofls
[13:18] <apachelogger> http://www.linux.com/feature/150427
[13:18] <apachelogger> kick ass
[13:20] <Riddell> that highlights why sudo is superior
[13:23] <apachelogger>  hm, "root password, a great security measure, one reason linux tends to be more secure than other operating systems"
[13:23] <apachelogger> something is wrong here
[13:24]  * apachelogger likes robin's videos
[13:24] <Riddell> opensuse has a tickbox on its installed now "set root password to same as user password"
[13:26] <apachelogger> 1:44 2nd video awesome statement
[13:28]  * a|wen wonders how they managed to make kde4 look so non-polished
[13:29] <apachelogger> just like suse did
[13:29]  * apachelogger is worrid about the install/remove issues in mandriva
[13:29]  * apachelogger rsyncs CD and checks intrepid 
[13:31] <Riddell> install remove issues?
[13:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: watch the second video
[13:33] <a|wen> mandriva 2009 = wait till 2009, then we might have fixed it
[13:35]  * apachelogger is wondering how mandriva is making money with that kind fo issues :|
[13:35] <Riddell> what makes you think they make money?
[13:36] <apachelogger> the fact that they employ people :P
[13:36] <apachelogger> oh, rsync almost finished, time to start xvm
[13:37] <Riddell> wow, this is quite harsh
[13:42] <seele> hmm.. wonder what robertknight wanted
[13:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: why is ubiquity not using oxygen?
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: widget theme?  because nobody ported it to pykde
[13:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: interestingly, it magically switches to oxygen theme by the end
[13:43] <apachelogger> Oo
[13:44] <apachelogger> needs to be done for jaunty
[13:44] <apachelogger> pretty weird looking
[13:45] <Riddell> yes, it's not hard at all, just takes somebody to do it
[13:46] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's in a bzr branch?
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: lp:ubiquity I expect
[13:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: and no it won't get into intrepid :)
[13:47] <apachelogger> I already exchanged the icons :P
[13:47] <Riddell> we miss the "log in automatically" tickbox that ubuntu has and I was never told about
[13:47] <apachelogger> makes it only halfbad
[13:47]  * Riddell watches apachelogger turn into a python programmer
[13:47] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, some german magazines consider autologin a security issue
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's a non-security feature surely
[13:48] <apachelogger> *nod*
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: we should include an image selector
[13:49] <Riddell> image selector?
[13:49] <apachelogger> now that KDM uses the user's image resource we could provide a selection already at installation
[13:50] <apachelogger> "user pic chooser"
[13:50] <Riddell> mm, that might be fun, so long as it doesn't get in the way
[13:51] <seele> apachelogger: user pic is a functional requirement in the new user admin tool
[13:51] <apachelogger> seele: user admin tool?
[13:51] <seele> i wonder if it would make sense to put the functionality in both places
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: maybe a box like in systemsetttings -> about me
[13:51] <seele> apachelogger: yeah, TT was working with some UI designers and ME convinced them to do some pro bono work with KUP
[13:51] <apachelogger> oh, nice :D
[13:51] <seele> apachelogger: so they are designing a new KUser and i assume ME is going to find someone to implement it
[13:52] <seele> it's going slowly though, so probably not until 4.3, but it will exist eventually
[13:52] <seele> there is also an interest in a new kpackagekit ui ;P
[13:52] <Riddell> txwikinger was looking at user config porting
[13:52] <apachelogger> a lot of people were looking into porting
[13:52] <apachelogger> then again user config didn't work very well
[13:52] <Riddell> kpackagekit seems to have been added to the 4.2 feature plan
[13:56] <a|wen> it wasn't the best ... but at least the user config was better than the gnome/ubuntu equivalent IMO (missed functional group assignments totally)
[14:02] <apachelogger> ohhh
[14:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: ubiquity has a static style defintion
[14:02] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot164.png
[14:02] <apachelogger> one line change
[14:08] <persia> Riddell, re: log-in-automatically : you'll want to get user-setup-apply (in user-setup) to work with kdm as a preliminary step, before trying to adjust ubiquity.
[14:10] <txwikinger> seele: If you need someone to implement it, I am interested
[14:19] <txwikinger> Hi blizzz
[14:21] <ScottK> nixternal: So you think the Guidance thing is yet another symptom of HAL gone missing (catching up from your paste of last night)?
[14:23] <Riddell> apachelogger: mmm, really?
[14:23] <Riddell> persia: yeah I know
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell:         self.app = QApplication(['ubiquity', '-style=plastique'])
[14:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: what would be the best way to start porting?
[14:25] <Riddell> it was forced to plastique I guess when pyqt-dbus didn't work with oxygen, they shouldn't affect it any more
[14:25] <Riddell> so that should be safe to fix, I guess you could ask evand and/or cjwatson if they have an opinion about letting that change in
[14:26] <Riddell> porting to pykde certainly won't get in intrepid but you just need to find a pykde template and copy over the bits
[14:27] <Riddell> KAboutData, kCmdLineargs, s/QApplication/KApplication/
[14:27]  * Riddell coming live from mandriva
[14:27] <Riddell> start openoffice -> crash screen
[14:29] <Riddell> I wonder why they don't use kickoff, they did in kde 3 times
[14:29] <Riddell> hey Sime, we're turning apachelogger into a pykde programmer :)
[14:29] <Sime> cool. and what is he going to do first?
[14:30] <Riddell> port ubiquity to pykde from pyqt
[14:31] <Sime> what does ubiquity do again?
[14:31] <Riddell> kubuntu installer
[14:31]  * Sime is busy with Marble Python bindings.
[14:31] <Riddell> that'll cause renewed calls for marble in ubiquity :)
[14:31]  * Riddell lunches
[14:36]  * txwikinger is looking for kcmshell4 documentation
[14:37] <a|wen> ScottK: i took a quick look at the  guidance bug ... you already have patched it to catch this exception; and it shouldn't be able to happen anymore (at least not with that exact backtrace, and all the duplicates had the same trace)
[14:40] <ScottK> a|wen: OK.  Thanks.  I guess the one comment that they still had the problem was likely someone who didn't have the current one then.
[14:40]  * ScottK decides to wait and see then.
[14:42] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah, i suppose so ... you could throw a comment, that if he still gets an apport popup, we would like him to complete it to get his traceback
[14:51] <apachelogger> hm
[14:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: how do I debug ubiquity?
[14:52] <apachelogger> not very chatty that app
[14:52] <NCommander> apachelogger, very painfully
[14:53] <apachelogger> oh noes
[14:53]  * apachelogger should have ported it to ruby first :P
[14:59] <txwikinger> well python has a logger library
[14:59] <apachelogger> how to use that?
[15:01] <txwikinger> import it and set it up
[15:01] <txwikinger> then you can put log statements in the code
[15:03] <txwikinger> apachelogger: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-logging.html
[15:03] <txwikinger> apachelogger: http://www.red-dove.com/python_logging.html
[15:08] <ScottK> Riddell: Just upgraded the kid's computer to KDE 3.5.10 with no problems.
[15:13] <ScottK> a|wen: Mentioning the maintainer change in debian/changelog is not needed.  It's actually actively discouraged these days.
[15:16] <a|wen> ScottK: okay ... i just use the update-maintainer script from ubuntu-dev-tools, thinking that was current policy
[15:16] <ScottK> a|wen: Grab the one from Intrepid.  It won't do that.
[15:16] <ScottK> Not a big deal.  Just FYI.
[15:18] <a|wen> ScottK: okay, it is a rather recent change ... i'll just delete the entries in the changelog from now on
[15:50] <nixternal> ScottK: yes, seems like HAL may be missing, or it is making the wrong DBus call
[15:51] <ScottK> nixternal: a|wen looked at it some more and he thinks it won't get there anymore if HAL is missing.  If it's the wrong DBus call though ...
[15:51] <ScottK> nixternal: Any idea what a right one would be?
[15:52] <nixternal> I would have to take a look a little more which I can do
[16:18] <nixternal> dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method"FindDeviceByCapability" with signature "s" on interface "org.freedesktoph.Hal.Manager" doesn't exist
[16:18] <nixternal> looks like the problem is deeper
[16:21] <nixternal> heh, I found out the problem...I can't type
[16:21] <nixternal> but if I debug while up, it doesn't crash out
[17:00] <Riddell> ScottK: yay
[17:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: ubiquity outputs to /var/log/installer/something or /var/log/syslog
[17:15] <claydoh> am I reading this right:http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10-updates
[17:15] <claydoh> 3.5.10 in Intrepid's
[17:16] <Riddell> no in hardy
[17:16] <claydoh> "The latest KDE 3 bug-fix release 3.5.10 has moved to the updates section of Kubuntu 8.10."
[17:18] <claydoh> I am sure there are couple of mail list/forum posters who might get a bit excited over that :)
[17:18] <Riddell> claydoh: fixed
[17:19] <Riddell> yes, they might get the wrong message
[17:19] <claydoh> :)
[17:19] <Riddell> claydoh: did you see the meeting yesterday?
[17:19] <claydoh> I am catching up on that now :)
[17:19] <claydoh> from logs
[17:20]  * claydoh apoolgizes for having to work :) it always gets in  my way
[17:23] <claydoh> I am making a list of questions/concerns I have picked up
[17:23] <claydoh> but very little yet on upgrade issues as not many have done that yet
[17:24] <claydoh> I haven't yet as my hardy box is still dead
[17:28] <jussio1> *cry* my upgraded system has pretty much died... wonder what I did wrong...
[17:29] <Tm_T> awww
[17:29] <jussio1> Tm_T: most programs dont start, Im lucky to have konsole
[17:31] <Tm_T> ouch
[17:31] <Tm_T> jussio1: well I'm in between of trunk and 4.1.2 so some stuff isn't working right
[17:35] <jussi01> Tm_T: I figured out what it was. soon as I installed gtk-qt-engine, everything went beserk.
[17:37] <Tm_T> ouch
[17:56] <apachelogger> hm
[17:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: The KDE libraries are not designed to run with suid privileges.
[17:56] <apachelogger> could that be the problem?
[17:56] <apachelogger> it's quitting right after that :S
[18:14] <apachelogger> interesting enough that nothing in usr/*/ubiquity got a +s
[18:21] <apachelogger> the good news is, adding and removing xchat actually works on kubuntu :D
[18:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: huh?  we have lots of apps that run as root
[18:27] <Riddell> it works in mandriva too for me
[18:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: that output is uber strange, according to my research a normal user couldn't start an app if it got +s
[18:27] <apachelogger> works as sudo
[18:28] <apachelogger> thing is, I even start ubiquity from a root prompt
[18:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: according to strace it exists right after it writes that suid warning
[18:32] <apachelogger> open("/root/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied)
[18:32] <apachelogger> Oo
[18:33] <apachelogger> seriously
[18:34] <apachelogger> something is very very very very very wrong here
[18:35] <apachelogger> I just -R 777'ed .kde
[18:35] <apachelogger> still permission denied
[19:09] <yuriy> apachelogger: don't know what the conversation is about, but is selinux or similar (apparmor?) enabled? that can cause weird permissions problems
[21:57] <Riddell> anyone tried the new language packs?
[22:02] <smarter> Riddell: they should fix the missing i18ns?
[22:07] <Riddell> smarter: hope so
[22:07] <smarter> cool :)
[22:07] <smarter> I'll test tomorrow and report back here the results
[22:08] <smarter> the French team have achieved 100% localized strings, so it should be easily noticable :)
[22:26] <txwikinger> KDE needs some better documentation!
[22:27] <Riddell> txwikinger: I'm sure the docs team would glady accept your help :)
[22:27] <txwikinger> I was asking for that, right?
[22:28] <txwikinger> Well.. if I figure it out, I will document it :D
[22:28] <Riddell> nixternal: a volunteer for you!
[22:46] <a|wen> Riddell: yay ... the new lang-packs has a lot more danish translations in kde :)
[22:48] <Riddell> phew
[22:50] <a|wen> we were getting awfully close to release
[22:54]  * a|wen wonders why it is so hard getting the right things to crash once the -dbg package is installed
[22:54] <txwikinger> I had hoped KDE4 would survive my stress tests better than KDE3.. so far I do not see a difference
[22:55] <txwikinger> Re-login took 25 mins with load of >100
[22:56] <txwikinger> I think my expectations are too high
[23:07] <txwikinger> apachelogger: I have a nice bug for you Bug #285668 :D