[01:08] blizzz: TBH, in order to fix stuff in KDE you just need to have a text editor, the knowledge how to use google and a lot of time ;-) [01:08] poking code with code snippets might not be very productive but certainly works :P [01:08] apachelogger: my eyes are two big question marks [01:08] perfect [01:09] what do you point at? [01:09] blizzz: whether C++ knowledge is still required for doing some Kubuntu magic [01:10] Riddell: I will sneak a patch to increase kopenwithdialog's reliability in my kde4libs upload [01:11] currently it creates KService objects using findByName, which fails for a lot of apps [01:12] apachelogger, One doesn't need C++ to cherrypick, but it can help when upstream is inactive. I know I learned it because I needed to port an app and upstream said "Oh, I'l probably get to it in a couple years". [01:12] apachelogger: i will tell that as side note ;) [01:13] persia: yeah, I am learning C++ so I can rewrite KDE's help center one day :) [01:13] horrible application right now [01:14] heh. Best way to learn is to be motivated to fix something :) [01:14] blizzz: perfect, and recruit me some minions :P [01:15] i don't even know what this word mean in german [01:16] ah Diener [01:16] get Carlos [01:16] lol === akonadi is now known as nihui [02:10] where should icons for kde4 apps be put ... in /usr/share/icons/hicolor* or in someplace else also [02:11] ? [02:19] a|wen: #ubuntu-motu should be reasonably desktop-agnostic - but a lot of people don't know kdepackaging in there. [02:20] Hobbsee: there seemed to be around the same amount of life (eg. chance of an answer) in both channels [02:21] a|wen: that's true. particularly depends on when you ask, too. [02:21] he, true enough [02:22] Doesn't KDE4 just look in the standard XDG locations for icons? [02:23] a|wen: depends on the icons really [02:24] the application's icon always goes to hicolor [02:24] apachelogger: it is the applications main icon (to be seen in the application launcher) [02:24] icons which are only used/of use for the app itself usually go to share/kde4/apps/APPNAME/icons/ [02:24] though they can as well go to hicolor [02:25] a|wen: hicolor then [02:26] apachelogger: seems the application launcher doesn't pick them up though [02:26] a|wen: KDE 4 application? [02:26] yeah ... kvkbd [02:26] hm [02:27] kquitapp plasma && plasma& [02:28] apachelogger: i tried to logout/login again [02:28] hmmm [02:28] a|wen: are you sure the name in the desktop file matches the icon name? [02:31] apachelogger: it does [02:32] very odd [02:33] a|wen: can you upload the icon and desktop file somewhere [02:34] apachelogger: was just going to [02:36] apachelogger: the .desktop file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59091/ [02:38] apachelogger: and this is the location of the icon files: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59092/ [02:39] a|wen: try a new user [02:43] apachelogger: not any better :/ [02:44] Riddell: uploaded kde4libs [02:44] a|wen: technically it should work, are the permissions of the icon files correct? [02:47] apachelogger: 644 root:root in all cases (i suppose this is right) [02:48] meh [02:48] a|wen: no idea then [02:48] in theory it should be working [02:50] apachelogger: strange ... it uses the icon to bounce up/down when i start the app; but can't display it still [02:50] hm, maybe a caching issue [02:53] apachelogger: didn't we have a problem with the konversation icon not showing in certain cases? [02:53] that was due to konversation not being stored in /kde4 [02:54] kvkbd on the other hand is [02:55] apachelogger: if i add konveration to favorites it doesn't show a correct icon <-- same for you? [02:57] i suppose this could be the reason for it: [02:57] who sponsored the kdebase-workspace change? [02:57] wrong size -> /usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/konversation.png: PNG image data, 31 x 31, 8-bit/color RGBA, non-interlaced [02:58] Riddell! [03:23] evening [03:27] evening to you as well good sir [03:28] a|wen: fix for that awaits approval [03:29] apachelogger: okay ... then i'll stay away from that :) [03:32] * vorian thinks apachelogger never sleeps [03:34] sleep is overrated [03:34] * a|wen will go to sleep [03:35] ha [03:35] i can sleep an hour extra for you apachelogger ;) [03:35] congrats on your membership a|wen :) [03:35] thx vorian :) [03:35] a|wen: very nice, thank you ;-) [03:36] night everyone, see you tomorrow [03:36] nn [03:53] apachelogger: what is top of the agenda right now? [03:54] nixternal: getting lang packs fixed ;-) [03:54] and bug triage, as always [03:55] do we have a list of "must fix now" bugs? [04:00] not really, just check out the once targeted for 8.10 [04:03] roger that [04:57] kile in svn actually builds and runs [04:58] impressive..however it is very rough [04:58] nixternal: How's your dbus? [04:58] not as good as my udev or hal :P [04:58] what's up? [04:59] I have been up to my kneck writing some code around udev and hal for our appliance at work...what a headache that has been [04:59] There's a guidance-power-manager bug I could use some help on. [04:59] Back in a second with the number. [05:00] nixternal: Bug 277678 [05:00] Launchpad bug 277678 in guidance-power-manager "Using Adept, upgrade - python2.5 crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/277678 [05:00] ya, I get that damn thing all of the time...I can take a gander at that [05:02] I don't get that one. [05:03] maybe this isn't the one I get...must be another 2.5 one that I have ignored for the time being as I have already commented on it [05:03] Which? [05:07] txwikinger: your bugfix has been accepted, but has failed on lpia. [05:07] ichthux? [05:08] as did ppx [05:08] ppc [05:08] yes [05:08] and sparc. [05:08] A lot of kde is broken on lpia and all of it on hppa. [05:09] ScottK-palm: nah, it's a broken rules file [05:09] Ah. [05:09] hmm. I have to look into that then [05:10] txwikinger: ah. you don't have all the files for all the architectures in the source directory. [05:10] you've got 4 desktop-, but 6 live-recommends-, and no mention of lpia anywhere [05:10] etc [05:11] ok.. I will have a look [05:11] * txwikinger tries to figure out how to test userconfig within systemsettings [05:15] Hobbsee: Please beat nixternal with your stick until he fixes my Guidance bug. [05:15] See you all later. [05:15] heh [05:15] cya [05:26] ScottK: looks like the GetAllProperties call in powermanage.py needs to be in a try: except: [05:27] !pastebin [05:27] pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [05:32] ScottK: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59141/ [06:14] rgreening: now you are a member, you get specialness like a cloak :) [06:15] prepare to be spammed! [06:31] another thing kubuntu has, but ubuntu doesn't by deafult. http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14514/ [07:14] 42 [07:14] rgreening, its 47 now once you correct for inflation [07:15] lol [07:15] It's the answer, but what it the question? [07:15] Dirk Gently knows [07:17] I lost you probably huh? Read Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy (Douglas Adams) [07:31] rgreening, no, I read it [07:31] You didn't get the 47 ;-) [07:31] In Star Trek, its the answer corrected for inflation [07:52] Just finished my intrepid upgrade from hardy! [07:52] worked suprisingly well considering I had all sorts of weird stuff installed, the kubuntu members repo etc === eagles is now known as eagles0513875 [11:08] Riddell, ping [11:10] hi NCommander [11:10] jussi01: any problems? [11:12] Riddell: a few, x didnt start and I had to reconfigure and reinstall fglrx, lost all my konq bookmarks, (thank god for backups) and a few other configs [11:14] Riddell: regarding bug 281808 - Ive added a whole lot of info and done some debugging with crimsun but still stumped on that. [11:14] Launchpad bug 281808 in kdebase "Flashplugin not working in Konqueror (8.10)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281808 [11:19] flash can be nasty [11:19] interesting update-manager fails on my machine at home complaining about needing way too much disk space in /boot :( [11:19] Riddell, can I steal you for an upload of linux-lpia in one or two hours? [11:20] so unfortunatly not just a fluke at work [11:22] seaLne: make sure you report a bug about that and attach /var/log/dist-upgrade/* [11:22] yeah just trying to find the bug i reported last time [11:22] #264282 [11:23] then poke mvo politely [11:25] crappy kde icon cache not updating itself ... that's why things doesn't seem to work right [11:26] Riddell: i have an update to kvkbd including icons ready for you in 10 minutes? ... no more missing icons on a default kubuntu install [11:31] a|wen: does smarter know? [11:32] * smarter waves [11:32] hi smarter :) [11:32] what's your update? [11:32] it's simply adding some icons to kvkbd [11:32] in the desktop file? [11:32] if so, I've fixed it in the svn [11:33] in fact, I may release Kvkbd 0.6 with tons of fixes today if the patch ossi sent me for apps-on-kdm work [11:33] the desktop files already mentions icons ... but there isn't any installed or in the package [11:33] a|wen: shouldn't be needed, it uses an oxygen icon [11:33] (which is a standard fd.o icon name afaik) [11:34] smarter: ahh, cool (that is someting new then, i suppose= [11:34] ? [11:34] don't remember how it was in 0.5.99 :P [11:34] there's a package on my ppa if you want to test [11:35] smarter: i'll give it a spin and see if it looks good :) [11:37] also, once 0.6 is released I'll try to plasmoidify Kvkbd :) [11:39] uhh ... we also need a good keyboard for the touchscreens [11:40] well, kvkbd should work on touchscreens [11:41] of course ... but it needs to be über-cool as well [11:41] that's why I make it a plasmoid :P [11:41] then we can have themes and stuff [11:41] and rotated keyboard \o/ [11:41] (not sure if that word exists :p) [11:42] just my point [11:42] :) [11:49] smarter: svn snapshop seems to look good ... if you have anything else you need tested regarding it, just throw a msg [12:21] --> Seoul. Don't forget to hit on new Adept... ; - ) [12:23] argh [12:23] does hunters are killin animals again [12:24] there goes the good mood [13:18] "write the root password down" [13:18] * apachelogger rofls [13:18] http://www.linux.com/feature/150427 [13:18] kick ass [13:20] that highlights why sudo is superior [13:23] hm, "root password, a great security measure, one reason linux tends to be more secure than other operating systems" [13:23] something is wrong here [13:24] * apachelogger likes robin's videos [13:24] opensuse has a tickbox on its installed now "set root password to same as user password" [13:26] 1:44 2nd video awesome statement [13:28] * a|wen wonders how they managed to make kde4 look so non-polished [13:29] just like suse did [13:29] * apachelogger is worrid about the install/remove issues in mandriva [13:29] * apachelogger rsyncs CD and checks intrepid [13:31] install remove issues? [13:31] Riddell: watch the second video [13:33] mandriva 2009 = wait till 2009, then we might have fixed it [13:35] * apachelogger is wondering how mandriva is making money with that kind fo issues :| [13:35] what makes you think they make money? [13:36] the fact that they employ people :P [13:36] oh, rsync almost finished, time to start xvm [13:37] wow, this is quite harsh [13:42] hmm.. wonder what robertknight wanted [13:43] Riddell: why is ubiquity not using oxygen? [13:43] apachelogger: widget theme? because nobody ported it to pykde [13:43] apachelogger: interestingly, it magically switches to oxygen theme by the end [13:43] Oo [13:44] needs to be done for jaunty [13:44] pretty weird looking [13:45] yes, it's not hard at all, just takes somebody to do it [13:46] Riddell: it's in a bzr branch? [13:46] apachelogger: lp:ubiquity I expect [13:46] apachelogger: and no it won't get into intrepid :) [13:47] I already exchanged the icons :P [13:47] we miss the "log in automatically" tickbox that ubuntu has and I was never told about [13:47] makes it only halfbad [13:47] * Riddell watches apachelogger turn into a python programmer [13:47] oh my [13:48] Riddell: btw, some german magazines consider autologin a security issue [13:48] apachelogger: it's a non-security feature surely [13:48] *nod* [13:49] Riddell: we should include an image selector [13:49] image selector? [13:49] now that KDM uses the user's image resource we could provide a selection already at installation [13:50] "user pic chooser" [13:50] mm, that might be fun, so long as it doesn't get in the way [13:51] apachelogger: user pic is a functional requirement in the new user admin tool [13:51] seele: user admin tool? [13:51] i wonder if it would make sense to put the functionality in both places [13:51] Riddell: maybe a box like in systemsetttings -> about me [13:51] apachelogger: yeah, TT was working with some UI designers and ME convinced them to do some pro bono work with KUP [13:51] oh, nice :D [13:51] apachelogger: so they are designing a new KUser and i assume ME is going to find someone to implement it [13:52] it's going slowly though, so probably not until 4.3, but it will exist eventually [13:52] there is also an interest in a new kpackagekit ui ;P [13:52] txwikinger was looking at user config porting [13:52] a lot of people were looking into porting [13:52] then again user config didn't work very well [13:52] kpackagekit seems to have been added to the 4.2 feature plan [13:56] it wasn't the best ... but at least the user config was better than the gnome/ubuntu equivalent IMO (missed functional group assignments totally) [14:02] ohhh [14:02] Riddell: ubiquity has a static style defintion [14:02] http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot164.png [14:02] one line change [14:08] Riddell, re: log-in-automatically : you'll want to get user-setup-apply (in user-setup) to work with kdm as a preliminary step, before trying to adjust ubiquity. [14:10] seele: If you need someone to implement it, I am interested [14:19] Hi blizzz [14:21] nixternal: So you think the Guidance thing is yet another symptom of HAL gone missing (catching up from your paste of last night)? [14:23] apachelogger: mmm, really? [14:23] persia: yeah I know [14:24] Riddell: self.app = QApplication(['ubiquity', '-style=plastique']) [14:24] Riddell: what would be the best way to start porting? [14:25] it was forced to plastique I guess when pyqt-dbus didn't work with oxygen, they shouldn't affect it any more [14:25] so that should be safe to fix, I guess you could ask evand and/or cjwatson if they have an opinion about letting that change in [14:26] porting to pykde certainly won't get in intrepid but you just need to find a pykde template and copy over the bits [14:27] KAboutData, kCmdLineargs, s/QApplication/KApplication/ [14:27] * Riddell coming live from mandriva [14:27] start openoffice -> crash screen [14:29] I wonder why they don't use kickoff, they did in kde 3 times [14:29] hey Sime, we're turning apachelogger into a pykde programmer :) [14:29] cool. and what is he going to do first? [14:30] port ubiquity to pykde from pyqt [14:31] what does ubiquity do again? [14:31] kubuntu installer [14:31] * Sime is busy with Marble Python bindings. [14:31] that'll cause renewed calls for marble in ubiquity :) [14:31] * Riddell lunches [14:36] * txwikinger is looking for kcmshell4 documentation [14:37] ScottK: i took a quick look at the guidance bug ... you already have patched it to catch this exception; and it shouldn't be able to happen anymore (at least not with that exact backtrace, and all the duplicates had the same trace) [14:40] a|wen: OK. Thanks. I guess the one comment that they still had the problem was likely someone who didn't have the current one then. [14:40] * ScottK decides to wait and see then. [14:42] ScottK: yeah, i suppose so ... you could throw a comment, that if he still gets an apport popup, we would like him to complete it to get his traceback [14:51] hm [14:51] Riddell: how do I debug ubiquity? [14:52] not very chatty that app [14:52] apachelogger, very painfully [14:53] oh noes [14:53] * apachelogger should have ported it to ruby first :P [14:59] well python has a logger library [14:59] how to use that? [15:01] import it and set it up [15:01] then you can put log statements in the code [15:03] apachelogger: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-logging.html [15:03] apachelogger: http://www.red-dove.com/python_logging.html [15:08] Riddell: Just upgraded the kid's computer to KDE 3.5.10 with no problems. [15:13] a|wen: Mentioning the maintainer change in debian/changelog is not needed. It's actually actively discouraged these days. [15:16] ScottK: okay ... i just use the update-maintainer script from ubuntu-dev-tools, thinking that was current policy [15:16] a|wen: Grab the one from Intrepid. It won't do that. [15:16] Not a big deal. Just FYI. [15:18] ScottK: okay, it is a rather recent change ... i'll just delete the entries in the changelog from now on [15:50] ScottK: yes, seems like HAL may be missing, or it is making the wrong DBus call [15:51] nixternal: a|wen looked at it some more and he thinks it won't get there anymore if HAL is missing. If it's the wrong DBus call though ... [15:51] nixternal: Any idea what a right one would be? [15:52] I would have to take a look a little more which I can do [16:18] dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: Method"FindDeviceByCapability" with signature "s" on interface "org.freedesktoph.Hal.Manager" doesn't exist [16:18] looks like the problem is deeper [16:21] heh, I found out the problem...I can't type [16:21] but if I debug while up, it doesn't crash out [17:00] ScottK: yay [17:01] apachelogger: ubiquity outputs to /var/log/installer/something or /var/log/syslog [17:15] am I reading this right:http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-3.5.10-updates [17:15] 3.5.10 in Intrepid's [17:16] no in hardy [17:16] "The latest KDE 3 bug-fix release 3.5.10 has moved to the updates section of Kubuntu 8.10." [17:18] I am sure there are couple of mail list/forum posters who might get a bit excited over that :) [17:18] claydoh: fixed [17:19] yes, they might get the wrong message [17:19] :) [17:19] claydoh: did you see the meeting yesterday? [17:19] I am catching up on that now :) [17:19] from logs [17:20] * claydoh apoolgizes for having to work :) it always gets in my way [17:23] I am making a list of questions/concerns I have picked up [17:23] but very little yet on upgrade issues as not many have done that yet [17:24] I haven't yet as my hardy box is still dead [17:28] *cry* my upgraded system has pretty much died... wonder what I did wrong... [17:29] awww [17:29] Tm_T: most programs dont start, Im lucky to have konsole [17:31] ouch [17:31] jussio1: well I'm in between of trunk and 4.1.2 so some stuff isn't working right [17:35] Tm_T: I figured out what it was. soon as I installed gtk-qt-engine, everything went beserk. [17:37] ouch [17:56] hm [17:56] Riddell: The KDE libraries are not designed to run with suid privileges. [17:56] could that be the problem? [17:56] it's quitting right after that :S [18:14] interesting enough that nothing in usr/*/ubiquity got a +s [18:21] the good news is, adding and removing xchat actually works on kubuntu :D [18:26] apachelogger: huh? we have lots of apps that run as root [18:27] it works in mandriva too for me [18:27] Riddell: that output is uber strange, according to my research a normal user couldn't start an app if it got +s [18:27] works as sudo [18:28] thing is, I even start ubiquity from a root prompt [18:32] Riddell: according to strace it exists right after it writes that suid warning [18:32] open("/root/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) [18:32] Oo [18:33] seriously [18:34] something is very very very very very wrong here [18:35] I just -R 777'ed .kde [18:35] still permission denied [19:09] apachelogger: don't know what the conversation is about, but is selinux or similar (apparmor?) enabled? that can cause weird permissions problems [21:57] anyone tried the new language packs? [22:02] Riddell: they should fix the missing i18ns? [22:07] smarter: hope so [22:07] cool :) [22:07] I'll test tomorrow and report back here the results [22:08] the French team have achieved 100% localized strings, so it should be easily noticable :) [22:26] KDE needs some better documentation! [22:27] txwikinger: I'm sure the docs team would glady accept your help :) [22:27] I was asking for that, right? [22:28] Well.. if I figure it out, I will document it :D [22:28] nixternal: a volunteer for you! === claydoh__ is now known as claydoh [22:46] Riddell: yay ... the new lang-packs has a lot more danish translations in kde :) [22:48] phew [22:50] we were getting awfully close to release [22:54] * a|wen wonders why it is so hard getting the right things to crash once the -dbg package is installed [22:54] I had hoped KDE4 would survive my stress tests better than KDE3.. so far I do not see a difference [22:55] Re-login took 25 mins with load of >100 [22:56] I think my expectations are too high [23:07] apachelogger: I have a nice bug for you Bug #285668 :D [23:07] Launchpad bug 285668 in kdebase "[intrepid] In konqueror rendered often appears in status line and scroll bar" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285668