[00:00] * cilkay finds the list nannies quite annoying. Personally, I don't mind the occasional off-topic conversation, especially when the channel is not busy. [00:00] s/channel/list [00:00] * stdin doesn't care if people find it annoying, it's the rules of the channel and you're expected to respect that [00:01] having trouble with wubi.. [00:02] *hm [00:03] unitypunk: don't know much about wubi but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide and http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=234 should have something [00:05] :-/ [00:05] it keeps booting into busy box [00:16] oy guys ... hello there! [00:17] Hi guys I have a query as I've just installed Kubuntu on my PC Gigabyte GA-81EX motherboard [00:18] my issue is no audio evidiently there is no driver known Is anyone running on one of these motherboards ? [00:19] can you please help me? ... i saw kubuntu 8.10 beta was out ... can you tell me if the beta will turn into a "stable" after the stable-version is out? ... i thought about "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" every time there are updates [00:20] Hi Mad oz [00:22] hello rod_ [00:24] I'm not sure if I'm in the right IRC to ask about Kubunti drivers etc as I just installed [00:28] rod_: first you have to find out what audio chip that MB has [00:31] * unitypunk needs to figure out why wubi is booting to busy box? [00:32] hi all, question about the latest news on the kubuntu site. Does this mean 3.5.10 will be available for intrepid? [00:33] White_Pelican: no, intrepid will have KDE 4 [00:34] White_Pelican: they say that it's not going to be easy to downgrade to 3.5 [00:35] so sorry [00:35] I'll stick to hardy then :) [00:37] is there a way to get kubuntu to play a fullscreen video at login until the video finishes, then show the desktop? My desktop looks really slow while loading, and Id like a video to cover to welcome me and cover it until its done loading. any ideas? [00:45] Thanks nejode Just reading through the specs it says the chipset is creative CT5880 plus Sigmatel 9708T codec [00:46] The GA-81EX has spdif out too [00:49] rod_: go to >>K menu> system> kinfocenter ... to see if your system "sees" your sound card [00:49] rod_: or the command "lspci" [00:50] rod_: or the command "sudo lshw" [00:56] does anyone here use mythTV and knows how to set it up? [01:00] Kinfo centre says Audio devices NOT ENABLED IN CONFIG [01:04] how do i make wifi work with ndis/ [01:04] !ndiswrapper [01:04] Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs [01:05] I'm playing with the source for mpg123 and need a clue on what to look for to have it not show up in the taskbar === billytwowilly is now known as zombiehoffa [01:12] does anybody use vmware server here. Ive got a really simple qyuery [01:25] hey [01:25] how do i make sure im using restricted drivers? [01:37] cana nyone help me set up my nvidia video card [01:49] FisherPrice: What do you want to know about MythTV/ [01:50] oh i think i might have it sussed out now [01:50] but there's still many questions. [01:50] i think I might press on thanks DarthFrog [01:50] OK. [02:01] i cant seem to get restricted drivers to work [02:03] E: nvidia-glx: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 [02:03] when i enable them. [02:08] Hi. How do I install mysql server on hardy? I have the installation file with me, but dont know how to run it === giuseppe is now known as Guest17248 [02:12] gah.. [02:12] damn these videocards. [02:12] a website chatroom wants java VM, i'm pretty sure my friend put java on last night, how can i find out and turn it on? === Guest17248 is now known as itan66 [02:18] jpw dp [02:19] * unitypunk needs help enabling his nvidia video card.. [02:19] E: nvidia-glx: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 [02:19] keep getting that after i mark the box to enable it. [02:34] unitypunk needs help enabling his nvidia video card.. [02:34] unitypunk is it disabled in your bios? [02:34] thats first [02:34] what has he done to enable it so far.. is the firs question.. and what specific kind of card... [02:34] no [02:34] its on board [02:35] laptop [02:35] im out [02:35] heh [02:35] could anyone please help me with janusVM in ubuntu? [02:35] Craihhgney, never heard of it. [02:36] unitypunk, You have used the restricted-drivers gui tool to install the proper nvidia drivers yet? [02:36] no... [02:36] cmd? [02:36] Normally its got an icon at the top right.. and in the menus, its called like hardware-drivers, or somthing. [02:36] top right pf? [02:36] or from a terminal its like ' jokey-SOMTHING' [02:37] oh yeah [02:37] Top right of the panel, normally first time ya log in theres a icon/popup [02:37] i check the box [02:37] for the driver [02:37] and get E: nvidia-glx: subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 [02:37] JanusVM (June-2007) Release Because of two exploits found with Samba and PPTPD, plus the latest Tor update, we are encouraging existing users to update to the new version immediately! If you have not tried JanusVM, now would be a great time! It's FREE, open source, and protects your privacy when used at home or on the road. [02:37] that one? [02:39] from here http://www.wilderssecurity.com/showthread.php?t=176776 [02:39] unitypunk, so it seems it wants the nvidia-glx package for your card. I would try installing it from the termial with the following 2 commands. [02:39] 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade' then 'sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx' [02:42] craugggney the link to download janusvm is a dead link.. it appears not to be [02:42] mmm i type well dont i? [02:44] Firefox can't find the server at janusvm.peertech.org. [02:45] http://peertech.org/ also nothing [02:45] I think thers some server issues going on. [02:45] dr_willis: http://pastebin.com/m52aa460 [02:45] and june 2007 is a long time ago software wise [02:45] is what happened after upgrade [02:46] unitypunk, looks like your package manager is a tad 'confused' about somting getting half way installed.. Not sur what the best way to get it back in line would be. [02:47] glah [02:47] could try the various 'force' options to apt-get [02:47] but ive rarely ever had to do that [02:47] idk how to force something [02:47] apt-get remove -force nvidia-glx [02:47] perhaps [02:48] !apt-geyt [02:48] Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-geyt [02:48] !apt-get [02:48] APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE) [02:48] The line of interest is - "1 not fully installed or removed." [02:48] so either it needs to be forced to remove, or forced to install.. :) [02:49] the following 'might' get it going.. it might mess things up badly also --> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade [02:50] yerr... [02:50] OR ----> sudo apt-get remove --purge nvidia-glx [02:51] Ive not had to 'fix' apt very much. so not sure whats the best way to fix this issue is.. Im checking the forums where i searched for 'not fully installed or removed' and found several hits/tips [02:54] maybe it is stuck? [02:54] i try sudo dpkg --configure -a [02:54] sometimes when its stuck [02:55] well its not 'not configured' it seems to be half installed.. [02:55] byt thats another tio try command. :) [02:56] gah [02:56] I don't think you can force apt-get. You'd have to use dpkg directly to force things. [02:57] i can force it to reinstall [02:57] force it to remove, then reinstall [02:57] Try "apt-get -f install" [02:58] same thing [02:58] what 'same thing' [02:58] whats the error? [02:58] subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2 [02:59] apt-get -f remove [02:59] perhaps? [03:01] -f means fix, not force. [03:01] marked it for reinstalation [03:01] annd it went through [03:01] all gravy like.. [03:06] thne [03:13] i've got a strange problem with the panels at kubuntu 8.10 [03:13] !intrepid [03:13] Alpha Software: Intrepid Ibex is the code name for K/ubuntu 8.10, due October 30th 2008 - #ubuntu+1 for discussion. Kubuntu Intrepid will have KDE 4 as the default Desktop Environment - see https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuIntrepidVersion | Warning lots of breaking software between now and October! [03:13] currently everything is removed from it (except the current applications) [03:13] add new plasmids back to it. [03:13] when i'll add the K-menu again to it, that will center and cover everything. [03:14] then unlock the panel with that cashew at the side. and move them around. [03:14] and thats the extent of my kde4 knowledge..:) i dont use it much. [03:14] yeah you can add take away anything you like [03:15] whehe, indeed. that should work normaly (i'll guess, now i'd see the option) [03:16] but i can move the K-menu only up and down the panel, and the panel is at the bottom of my screen. [03:17] but anyhow. needs all beta software to be discussed in #ubuntu+1? or is there a special kubuntu beta channel (like #kubuntu+1?)? [03:18] only ubuntu+1 i think [03:36] Can anyone help me with an Xserver Issue? === rita_ is now known as iudfsdv === iudfsdv is now known as erjlfb [03:40] When I try to update my video driver (ATI) I get an error while running the auto installer. X Server Not Found [03:46] 'auto installer' ? what auto-installer? [04:02] anyone know what the default version of xorg in intrepid is ? [04:04] 7.4 [04:05] yeah that seems correct [04:05] just trying to find why the ati driver is hit and miss and only randomly works [04:06] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xorg [04:07] And thats different fromhow ati drivers have been for the last few years - how exactly Linux_Galore ? :) [04:12] dr_willis: well when I activate the driver then logout /restart X it either leaves me at a blank screen then i force a shutdown (use the off button) and reboot into recovery mode then use the OSS radeon driver and Im fine, but sometimes it takes and the ati driver works [04:13] Linux_Galore, i recall a bug with the ati drivers ages ago where if i loged out of X it would bivce me a black screen. I had to edit the gdm/kdm configs and enable the 'always resstart X server' option [04:14] it affected just the fglrx driver, not the radeon driver. [04:14] when I login after the recovery mode swaps me back to the open radeon driver I see a notice regarding settingsmanager crashing [04:14] dr_willis: this is the new driver [04:14] Try booting without using GDM/KDm and see if you can 'startx' and quit and get back to a normal screen/start X again.. [04:15] It may be the same issue/bug poping up again,,, or a totally new bug [04:15] it wouldent hurt to enble the 'always restart X server' setting i imagine [04:15] dr_willis: you mean do a standard Xinit boot and see if I can get a raw X session ? [04:16] dr_willis: what I fond amusing is that there isnt a captcha script to make sure the desktop has actually started, if not drop you to a vga mode [04:16] yea.. or just disable the kdm/gem service.. and see if 'startx' works fine. [04:17] On mylaptop i did that boot to login: use startx for a while till i researched the other fix's [04:17] this was on a x200m video card [04:18] ok Im going to enable the ati driver then do a none kdm/gdm login [04:18] bbl [04:18] Hi there. I am having trouble with my DVD drives. I am getting errors from K3B, xine, and Kaffeine. Nothing is working. Can someone help me with my setup? TIA [04:19] tjhess: what errors are you getting? [04:20] from xine: There is no input plugin available to handle "dvd:/" [04:21] from xine: Maybe you don't have enough rights for this or source doesn't contain data (eg disc not in drive) (dev/dvd) [04:21] could be the /dev/dvd link is incorrect also [04:21] tjhess: does /dev/dvd exist? ls /dev/dvd in konsole [04:21] can k3b burn disks? [04:22] tjhess: sorry, ls -l /dev/dvd [04:22] lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2008-10-17 12:12 /dev/dvd -> scd0 [04:23] anyone knows how to disable the annoying auto scrolling between deskstops by moving the mouse cursor??? [04:23] anyone knows how to disable the annoying auto scrolling between deskstops WHEN moving the mouse cursor??? [04:23] Would you like to see my fstab entry? [04:24] tjhess, if youre a female I would like to see your fstab entry :-) [04:25] tjhess: you say xine, you;re using xine-ui or is that output from kaffeine? [04:25] k [04:26] that's xine [04:27] wat is this this is my 1st time here? [04:27] Kaffeine: [04:27] The source can't be read. [04:27] Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (/dev/dvd) [04:27] Kaffeine: No plugin found to handle this resource (dvd://) [04:27] Dr_Willis, are you there? [04:27] huh? [04:27] Kaffeine: [04:27] 10:26:47 PM: xine: cannot find input plugin for MRL [dvd://] [04:27] 10:26:47 PM: xine: input plugin cannot open MRL [dvd://] [04:27] 10:26:44 PM: xine: found input plugin : DVD Navigator [04:27] wat is this? [04:27] tjhess: do you have libdvdcss installed? [04:28] !xine [04:28] Sorry, I don't know anything about xine [04:28] !dvd [04:28] For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at !Medibuntu or (for Feisty and earlier) http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs [04:28] Hmm> [04:28] libdvdcss2, version 1.2.9-2medibuntu4 [04:28] installed [04:28] reinstalled [04:28] tjhess: ok [04:29] mixed1234, thats a kde/pager setting last i looked.. I have it set where it auto scrolls if i am dragging a window [04:29] Dr_willis, did I wake you? My apologies! In between, do you know how to disable the annoying auto scrolling between deskstops WHEN moving the mouse cursor??? [04:29] Im not in kde right now - so cant look. [04:30] dr_willis, if I take my mouse cursor and I just scroll the pointer down without clicking on anything the desktop changes automatically to the next one, i have been unable to fix that [04:31] bottom of the screen goes to the next desktop? [04:31] tjhess: in kaffeine, if you edit the xine engine parameters, chand the dvd media device to scd0 and see if that works. [04:31] dr_willis, thanks anyway, KDE screwed up my distro good this time, I can't shutdown my machine if i'm in gnome, i have to exit out of gnome first [04:31] chand/change [04:31] MrKennie: trying that now [04:32] dr_willis, precisely, if I go past the screen on one deskstop it'll automatically take me to the next deskstop, this happened after I installed compiz [04:32] dr_willis, good idea! just disable compiz all together, goodbye eye candy! [04:32] mixed1234, there ya go.. its a compiz setting i imagine. [04:32] proberly just a plugin you need to disable [04:33] MrKennie: Same errors [04:33] The source can't be read. [04:33] Maybe you don't have enough rights for this, or source doesn't contain data (e.g: no disc in drive). (/dev/scd0) [04:33] dr_willis, I tried every setting imaginable in compiz but i'll give it a try either way, thanks! [04:33] hm [04:34] tjhess: are you able to browse the dvd using konqueror or dolphin? [04:34] yes [04:34] MrKennie: yes [04:35] tjhess: can you see which device you are browsing at the time? [04:35] eg: /media/scd0 [04:35] well disabling kdm/gdm in intrepid then starting Xorg still crashes with the ati driver [04:35] MrKennie: system:/media/scd1/ [04:36] tjhess: ah, so you need to change from scd0 to scd1 [04:36] Have two DVD writers (DVD+R, DVD+-R) [04:36] Linux_Galore, bummer.. [04:36] dr_willis: I cant even do the old ctrl+alt+backspace get out of jail [04:36] MrKennie: Aha! Trying this out. [04:38] MrKennie: It plays now! Checking K3B out now. [04:39] MrKennie: Thanks for getting Kaffeine working!!! [04:39] tjhess: great! np. [04:41] k3b should automagically recognise any writers you have. I've only ever had 1 recorder at a time, though. [04:42] kb3 has a setup tool/feture that i think rescans [04:42] dr_willis, you dont use KDE? You use gnome then? [04:43] Im not using either at this time. :) [04:43] dr_willis, what do you normally prefer to use if I may know? [04:43] The machine behind me has linux on it but its updating [04:43] I use whatever i feel like at the time. Been using Jwm+Rox-Filer lately [04:43] dr_willis, yes, the kernel was updated to *.21 version [04:45] I keep trying diff desktops and wms but seem to end up back with kde3 everytime [04:46] MrKennie: K3B is not working. [04:46] MrKennie: Error is - K3b was unable to mount medium ArrestedDevelopment (Video DVD) in device ATAPI - DVD+RW 4X4X12 [04:46] tjhess: if you go to settings -> configure k3b [04:47] oh wait, what are you trying to do? [04:47] Rip DVD [04:47] Rip to disk [04:48] I just use dvd::rip for that. :) [04:48] or k9copy [04:51] tjhess: well, you can check the k3b settings. Under media it should show all read-only and writable devices you have [04:52] MrKennie/dr_willie: K9copy is copying now to iso file [04:52] But K3b still isn't working [04:53] is there a way i can just put a bash right on the taskbar.. [04:53] like [04:53] instead of a search [04:53] a line to console. [04:53] MrKennie/dr_willie: thanks for the help. I'll have to take care of K3b another time. Much thanks again. [04:54] unitypunk: konsole you mean? [04:55] yeah [04:55] unitypunk: you can drag it from the menu to whereever you want it [04:55] nooo [04:55] i mean like.. [04:55] bah.. [04:55] i cant think of how to explain. [04:57] i want a line on my task bar to be a shell [04:58] Ive seen 'command line' applets befor [04:58] or use katapult [04:58] yeah [04:58] a commandline applet [04:58] or use yakuake [04:59] tah, yakuake is cool [04:59] yah* [05:00] there is a run command applet but not sure if that's what you want [05:01] lag [05:01] like.. [05:01] if i need to kill a process [05:01] i dont wanna open a konsole [05:02] just wanna type kill etc in a box on the taskbar [05:03] hello there. can anyone tell me if its possible to open docx files on openoffice3? [05:04] what kind of process? [05:04] docx is the new ms office format right? [05:04] openoffice3 is supposed to be able to open docx [05:04] but you can still open docx with older versions [05:04] with less compatibility [05:04] yippee! thanks yousef! :) ooo is cool very cool! [05:05] np [05:07] make an icon to the 'xkill' command :) [05:08] if its just a window you want to kill [05:08] alt+ctrl+escape [05:13] Hello [05:16] is this an appropiate place to ask a kubuntu support question? [05:17] Yes [05:18] Thanks. I was using kubuntu 8.04 Hardy (KDE4 remix), and just used the distro upgrade feature to upgrade to 8.10 Intrepid Ibex Beta. It all seemed to go well, but now I cannot log in. [05:19] I can get to the login screen, but logging into KDE takes me to the splash screen and only three of the icons load and then the screne just goes blank and returns to the login screen [05:19] try logging in at the console and see what happens? [05:19] could be a kde setting issue.. or a login issue. [05:19] sounds like its a kde/settings issue from your description [05:19] ah, but likewise the failsafe login just blanks myscreen for a moment abut returns to the login [05:19] thanks, i'm not expecting the exact answer, just where i might be able to look [05:20] I would test by making a new user, see if they can login via kdm. [05:20] if so.. then that imples that somthing with the old users settings are causing an issue [05:20] thanks i'll try that [05:21] how would I create a new user if I cannot get in, i feel a bit catch 22 [05:22] see if you can login at the console.... [05:23] okay, i'll go look up how to create a new user in the console [05:23] sudo adduser username [05:23] thank you [05:25] is that username a required field where i put the namer afterwards or do i substitute that? [05:25] it asks a lot of silly questions youjust hit enter [05:25] adduser billgates [05:25] :) [05:25] :D [05:59] hi all [05:59] i ahve a spiderman cd how can i install it === d is now known as Guest84198 [06:03] If you mean you have a 'windows game' you wish to try to run under linux, you would do so using 'wine' [06:03] !wine [06:03] WINE is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information, and see !AppDB for application compatibility. [06:22] Can the Ubuntu Educational Addon cd be used with Kubuntu or is Gnome specific? [06:28] You could always install gnome if you want under kubuntu - if it needs tnome [06:28] In theory - the packages should grab any needed dependencies when they install [06:30] im just asking because it said "Ubuntu"..not Gnome or KDE....Ubuntu has become almost generic these days.....heh. [06:30] i mean the term itself...not the Distro... [06:31] I guess the only way to truly find out is...DIY [06:31] :) [06:32] so...let me get this straight...KDE4 variant of Kubuntu has no updates from canonical? [06:33] No 'official' I gather.. [06:33] I heard that from one of my buddies on the forum (I am a member of the beginner team of UF) [06:33] but then ya get into whats community supported vs official, vs lts. vs.. whatever.. :) [06:35] community support only kinda made me wonder about the updates and stuff..... [06:36] Ive gotten where i just use whats out.. and not worry about it. :) In 6mo there will be a new releae and all sorts of new toys [06:37] true [06:37] and its not like i should be scared..as i did do the alpha/beta testing.... [06:37] LOL [06:40] I just dont find kde4 that useabla at this time.. and its amazingly sluggish on my laptop [06:45] yeah someone else said that [06:49] And i am gettting constant 'video garbage' when the menus pop up and other quirks. [06:49] So for now.. Im sticking with m jwm+rox-filer [06:55] i have an ubuntu related question(asking because i got no responce on that channel) i tried to install drivers from the ati website because they were newer than those offered on synaptic but after i did that i did an update wich updated my kernel and upon reboot i got a completely yellow display(with working compiz) and was unable to reverse it so i formatted. now im starting anew and was wandering if one of you might walk me through it so i dont hose [06:56] version 8.04 [06:57] I would try to get things working without using the ones from the ati web site. [06:58] My 'prefered' order to try the things are 'hardware-manager/repos' then 'envyng' then if all else fails - the ones from ati/nvidia [07:00] everything else does fail. for the brief time between when i loaded them to when i rebooted alot of my flickering broken video etc were fixed which was not the case under restricted driver install. doesnt symantec just package the same drive as is posted on ati? === danilo is now known as danilo_ === danilo_ is now known as danilo__ [07:03] the version in the repos - will tend to be a little bit older then the ones from ati === danilo__ is now known as k0rvux [07:03] but the ones fro ati . normally have to be compiled/installed for each new kernel update - if you use them [07:04] envyng - i hear is not quite up to date as the ones from ati.. but it automates it better [07:04] how does ubuntu package them so such isnt necessary so i might do the same [07:06] i got flamed the first time i started linux for using envy [07:07] acee12345: how long did you wait in #ubuntu before you gave up? [07:08] first post was 4 hrs ago last one was 12 minutes [07:08] acee12345: yeah, those guys just didnt know....did you try posting on the forums as well? [07:09] * Robb_M isnt trying to steer you away...just seeing what routes you took without results.... [07:09] not yet [07:09] problem with nvidia and ati drivers.. are that often theres issues with specific cards, and often issues with different versions. [07:10] some cards/setups just seem to have issues :( [07:10] i know that ive had issues with my memory card reader since i started ubuntu.... [07:10] not that this really relates to you...it kinda does..but yeah... [07:10] i understand that it worked great untill i updated my kernel [07:10] anyone know how to make your display picture show up to others in kopete? I selected avatar but not showing to others [07:10] Ive had some issues with built-in-non-usb laptop-media-card readers.. thats often due to the varity of the readers. [07:10] i think its more kernel relate....yeah....... [07:11] ^ dr_willis I totally agree with that statement.... [07:11] Getting close enought now - you may want to 'try' 8.10 release. [07:11] is there a way to turn off the kernel update [07:11] It proberly has newer drivers for the cards [07:11] 8.10 is insanely stable ATM [07:12] i may giive it a go the drivers were release through ati 4 days ago [07:12] acee12345: you might be able to force the current version of kernel to stay the same...with pinning [07:12] ? [07:12] !pinning [07:12] pinning is an advanced feature that APT can use to prefer particular packages over others. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto [07:13] it doesnt let the version update as far as i know....it just ignores future versions.... [07:13] any major draw backs to not update a kernel often? [07:13] you pin that version..... [07:14] acee12345: security holes..... [07:14] acee12345: ^ biggie [07:14] so i just need to be sure i reinstall the xorg every time i update the kenel [07:14] acee12345: i would update the kernel often if i were you, even if the component doesnt work...it MIGHT in the future..so...update as often as possible..... [07:14] untill its released through apt-get [07:15] * Robb_M nods...i think thats a safe way to go.... [07:16] ok, any special procedures to manul install of drivers [07:16] i havent installed restricted yet, running on mesa [07:16] not that im aware of [07:17] * Robb_M points to the other guys...unless they have something i dont [07:18] i notice that ati doesnt support xorg 7.4 how does 8.10 get around that [07:18] i havent been playing around with 8.10 so i couldnt tell you.... [07:18] I believe we are steering away from xorg in the future..... [07:19] oh, what will replace it?nvidia? [07:19] I run 8.10 kubuntu. solid stable for me here. i just cannot get kopete to display my picture to other contacts..is my only problem [07:20] acee12345: im not sure actually....looking it up though :) [07:23] * Robb_M shrugs [07:23] all attempts fail [07:24] (google doesnt know) [07:24] i looked too, nothin [07:24] brother is demanding internet so i must resign my computer. thank you for your help [07:25] thank you to dr_willis [07:26] sure acee12345 === user_ is now known as Zantetsuken === Zantetsuken is now known as Gadoken [07:39] query: if I install *buntu 8.10 beta, will I be able to cleanly upgrade to *buntu 8.10 come Oct. 30? [07:40] nah, your machine will catch fire [07:40] damn I knew it! [07:40] * baudthief further pretends to know what he's doing [07:40] Of course you can [07:40] I just don't feel like reinstalling every 6 months, but 8.10 Kubuntu has stuff I want [07:41] I perfer to reinstall every 6 mo. :) [07:41] ok thank you guys [07:41] GADOKEN! [07:41] anyone on the Kubuntu beta presently? [07:42]