[00:23] <FFForever> how can i upgrade to the ubuntu beta without reinstalling?
[00:23] <EruditeHermit> hey, anyone get an unresponsive display from time to time?
[00:23] <EruditeHermit> FFForever: update-managaer -d from terminal or run
[00:25] <bsnider> the beta was 2 weeks ago
[00:27] <FFForever> is the beta stable (for the most part?)
[00:27] <bsnider> hahaaa
[00:27] <bsnider> this isn't the beta
[00:27] <FFForever> what is it?
[00:27] <bsnider> the beta was 2 weeks ago
[00:27] <FFForever> rc?
[00:27] <EruditeHermit> FFForever: it is whatever is up to date in Intrepid
[00:27] <bsnider> rc in a few days
[00:27] <FFForever> well update manager won't update LOL
[00:27] <FFForever> unauthenctated packaged....
[00:28] <FFForever> packages*
[00:28] <FFForever> unauthenticated packages****
[00:28] <bsnider> aaron plattner fixed a problem with compiz and the nvidia driver, so for my system, it's rock solid now.
[00:29] <FFForever> anyway to tell it to ignore the unauthenticated packages?
[00:29] <FFForever> or install them anyways
[00:30] <bsnider> nvidia's driver is superb
[00:30] <bsnider> nearly perfect
[00:30] <FFForever> what version of vlc is in the repo?
[00:30] <bsnider> 9.4
[00:30] <FFForever> kool
[00:31] <FFForever> 8.3 in hardy :(
[00:31] <FFForever> *downloads iso*
[00:31] <bsnider> which iso?
[00:31] <FFForever> beta
[00:31] <FFForever> i386 :)
[00:32] <bsnider> get today's daily-live cd
[00:32] <FFForever> where?
[00:32] <bsnider> search google for "daily-live". it's the second result
[00:32] <FFForever> downloading :)
[00:33] <FFForever> i assume its a cron script?
[00:34] <bsnider> you assume what is a cron script?
[00:35] <FFForever> the daily live cds :)
[00:35] <bsnider> i don't know
[00:35] <FFForever> i doubt someone makes them by hand :)
[00:35] <bsnider> i really wish more people knew about them because nobody should be using the beta cd anymore
[00:36] <FFForever> why not update the topic link
[00:36] <bsnider> you're preaching to the choir
[00:36] <FFForever> lol
[00:36] <FFForever> XD
[00:36] <FFForever> i like the new dark room theme :)
[00:37] <bsnider> that makes one of you
[00:37] <FFForever> thankfully this time around i partitioned my system for /home to be alone :)
[00:37] <bsnider> install a package called "community-themes" and you'll have a few more choices
[00:37] <FFForever> tell me when i get on in about 6hours :)
[00:38] <FFForever> i gotta baby sit in a lil bit
[01:05] <billytwowilly> is this the first beta or the second beta?
[01:06] <bsnider> this is a few days away from rc1
[01:06] <RAOF> zombiehoffa: There is no second beta.
[01:06] <bsnider> it's not a beta at all
[01:06] <zombiehoffa> oh ok, so after this it's going live? I'm trying to time the purchase of a computer so I get it just after it kubuntu 8.10 is released.
[01:09] <lelantus> aplay -l detects my sound card, it is not muted in alsamixer but I still do not have sound. Please help me.
[01:10] <Mersault> good evening (here). I'm running intrepid server, and I've installed clutch (the web gui for transmission). The init script is failing to start transmission-daemon correctly though. Anyone else run into this or have ideas on how to pass the correct arguments to tranmission-daemon on startup? I can start it from the CLI easily enough.
[01:14] <lelantus> :(
[01:15] <bsnider> lelantus, that could be a million different problems
[01:16] <lelantus> how can i narrow it down?
[01:17] <bsnider> gnome or kde?
[01:17] <lelantus> gnome
[01:17] <bsnider> did you just upgrade or something?
[01:18] <lelantus> I have a very new laptop so 8.04 didn't run at all. 8.10 runs very well, it is just that the sound does not work.
[01:19] <lelantus> i have an asus mM50Vm-b1
[01:19] <bsnider> did you clean install intrepid or upgrade from hardy?
[01:19] <lelantus> M50Vm-b1*
[01:19] <lelantus> clean install beta
[01:19] <Asa_A> I have nvidia-glx-177 installed and it was working until I updated and rebooted. lsmod shows that I have the nvidia driver loaded and "dkms status" shows that the module is loaded. but if I run nvidia-xconfig to put the driver in my config X fails to start. Does anyone have any ideas what else I should check?
[01:19] <bsnider> did you install all of the hundreds of updates since the beta release two weeks ago?
[01:20] <lelantus> yes, fully updated
[01:20] <bsnider> Asa_A, do NOT run that command. it creates an old, useless xorg.conf
[01:20] <Asa_A> bsnider: do you have an alternative, nothing else seems to work
[01:21] <Asa_A> its also what running nvidia-settings suggests
[01:21] <bsnider> Asa_A, i wrote this thread for people like you: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[01:22] <bsnider> lelantus, install padevchooser
[01:23] <lelantus> k, installing
[01:23] <lelantus> done
[01:23] <bsnider> now launch it
[01:24] <bsnider> it's in sound & video, pulseaudio device chooser
[01:24] <lelantus> ok, its in the upper right panel now
[01:24] <bsnider> it will create a tray icon. click on it, and select "manager"
[01:25] <lelantus> k
[01:25] <bsnider> what's the server name?
[01:25] <lelantus> pulseaudio
[01:26] <bsnider> then you aren't having a pulseaudio problem either
[01:26] <Asa_A> bsnider: how can I tell how much vram I have?
[01:26] <bsnider> open pulse's volume control
[01:27] <lelantus> k
[01:27] <Mulder> how is flash sound support implemented in 8.10 with pulesaudio? i notice that libflashsupport now conflicts with flashplugin
[01:27] <bsnider> flash 10 supports pulseaudio natively
[01:27] <lelantus> bsnider, it looks normal, not muted or anything
[01:27] <bsnider> libflashsupport is now deprecated
[01:27] <Mulder> oh
[01:28] <Mulder> amazing
[01:28] <Mulder> yay, this means youtube wont crash anymore!
[01:28] <bsnider> Asa_A, the nvidia driver can tell you if you don't know
[01:29] <bsnider> Asa_A, start out with a value lower than mine
[01:29] <bsnider> lelantus, which applications have you tried to play audio in so far?
[01:30] <Supersaiyan_IV> If anyone here possesses a iwl4965. Try running 'hcitool scan' a few times while unassociated, then use the hardware switch to turn the wifi off. A kernel panic should occur. Can anyone confirm this? I don't know exactly if these are the correct conditions for the panic, but it it would be of great help of somebody could try.
[01:30] <lelantus> vlc, totem, no sound on boot either
[01:30] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, I've got one.
[01:31] <blankthemuffin> hang on.
[01:31] <lelantus> bsnider, pulse audio meter moves when i try to play something
[01:31] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, how did it occur? Just as described above? Or did you do something different.
[01:31] <bsnider> lelantus, open totem and play something while monitoring pulseaudio's volume control to make sure totem shows up there and appears to be playing
[01:31] <blankthemuffin> I'm testing now.
[01:31] <Mulder> now adobe jsut need to come out with a 64 bit version of flash i guess
[01:32] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, I've got a problem where mine drops out.
[01:32] <bsnider> lelantus, in that case you've got A) a hardware problem, like a cable not plugged into the correct port, or B) a muted mixer channel
[01:32] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, as in the iwlagn module stops working?
[01:32] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, I've got a intel pro wireless 4965agn in my dell inspiron 1520. Have you had this problem?
[01:32] <lelantus> db shows 0 but it is in there. can't be  hardware problem. sound works fine in vista
[01:32] <bsnider> lelantus, your system is creating sound down to the lowest hardware level
[01:33] <bsnider> it must be alsamix then
[01:33] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, yes, it was fixed when I added the missing repository to successfully upgrade to the linux-firmware package
[01:33] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, it works, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/149214 << is my bug.
[01:33] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, checking it out
[01:34] <bsnider> gutsy?
[01:34] <blankthemuffin> oh hang on Supersaiyan_IV, not sure if that's it.
[01:34] <Ahadiel> I just tried 8.10 beta, and Xorg tells me I have an invalid configuration and gives me options to regenerate xorg.conf. None of the options work, and upon further inspection of /etc/X11/xorg.conf, it seems to be empty. There are comments, empty "Sections", and nothing else you'd expect to see in xorg.conf. (nVidia 7150 Go)
[01:34] <blankthemuffin> Yeah that's it, bsnider it happens in intrepid too, all versions above 7.10
[01:34] <lelantus> bsnider, nothing is muted in alsamixer; card and chip set to pulseaudio
[01:35] <Asa_A> bsnider: thanks (again) for the help, my driver is working again now
[01:35] <Mulder> i'm a little concerned at 8.10 using xorg 7.4 before everything else has caught up to it
[01:35] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, I see, I have that problem aswell, however not on all networks
[01:35] <Asa_A> does X not reload the config with Ctrl+Alt+Backspace anymore though?
[01:35] <bsnider> yes, that shortcut works
[01:35] <bsnider> but it reloads whatever your current config is
[01:35] <bsnider> in your case,t hat wasn't xorg.conf
[01:35] <Asa_A> weird, I had to reboot to make it work with the new config
[01:35] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, this is a more descriptive error: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-587786.html
[01:36] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, it happens on the uni wifi network that ses WPA, TLLS, TKIP, PAP encryption/authentication
[01:36] <Supersaiyan_IV> uses*
[01:36] <bsnider> Asa_A, because it wasn't using xorg.conf
[01:36] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, right now I'm on a 128bit encrypted WPA network, and it works fine
[01:36] <lelantus> bsnider, do you have any more ideas?
[01:36] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, In previous versions I've fixed it by installing the linuxwireless drivers, but I can't get them to work in intrepid for some reason. The hcitool scan fails with no device.
[01:37] <bsnider> lelantus, what sound chip is this?
[01:37] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, I'm using a non-secured g network.
[01:37] <lelantus> aplay -l shows alc663
[01:37] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, good, now tun off the wifi with the hardware switch if you have on built into your dell
[01:37] <blankthemuffin> check Supersaiyan_IV.
[01:38] <bsnider> lelantus, run lspci
[01:38] <blankthemuffin> Now what?
[01:38] <bsnider> what's the full name
[01:38] <lelantus> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller????
[01:39] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, it's supposed to panic after the scan + killing device + turning it on again
[01:39] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, if it didnt work I'll just have to narrow it down again :l
[01:39] <blankthemuffin> no panic here Supersaiyan_IV.
[01:39] <bsnider> lelantus, that is exactly what i've got in here. same pciid. mine is working perfectly
[01:39] <Supersaiyan_IV> it might have been because i just resumed from suspend back then
[01:40] <Supersaiyan_IV> although it shouldn't matter
[01:40] <lelantus> bsnider, lspci -vv http://pastebin.com/d5dd5a327
[01:40] <blankthemuffin> Still getting this bloody error though: Oct 18 11:39:27 blankthelappy kernel: [52449.164096] wlan0: No ProbeResp from current AP 00:08:a1:a1:00:56 - assume out of range
[01:40] <blankthemuffin> Kills my connection and it won't reconnect without doing so manually.
[01:41] <bsnider> lelantus, try alsamix, use the preferences button to check everything
[01:41] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, not getting that error on my M1330
[01:41] <Supersaiyan_IV> running intrepid
[01:41] <blankthemuffin> mmm, maybe it is caused by the encryption level, I might have to enable it and try again.
[01:41] <lelantus> bsnider, you mean alsamixer, right?
[01:41] <blankthemuffin> not many people run non-secured networks.
[01:42] <bsnider> uh huh
[01:42] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, indeed, and moreover, this indeed does only occur on networks with more-than-adequate security
[01:43] <lelantus> bsnider, master is set to 100% and capture is at 0%
[01:43] <lelantus> not muted
[01:43] <bsnider> what about pcm?
[01:43] <lelantus> not there
[01:43] <bsnider> ijn alsamixer, what is the "device"?
[01:43] <jadams__> hi all, I have a ridiculously large CRT connected to my intrepid machine (otherwise an entirely modern, Intel Q6600-based system)
[01:43] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, thx for testing the iwl :)
[01:44] <jadams__> it's sticking me in 1024x768 as my max resolution
[01:44] <bsnider> use the drop box to change to HDA Intel
[01:44] <jadams__> nvidia video card
[01:44] <lelantus> bsnider, alsamixer is command line...
[01:44] <bsnider> lelantus, the speaker icon in the tray
[01:45] <Supersaiyan_IV> jadams__, compiz running simultaneously?
[01:45] <bsnider> double ckicl it
[01:45] <jadams__> Supersaiyan_IV, compiz is running, yes
[01:45] <Supersaiyan_IV> jadams__, check the default output resolution in general settings of ccsm
[01:45] <lelantus> HDA Intel(Alsa Mixer) is already set
[01:46] <jadams__> Supersaiyan_IV, it's 1280x1024
[01:46] <blankthemuffin> Is there a way to make the kernel use iwl4965 instead of iwlagn???
[01:46] <bsnider> lelantus, play with the pcm channel
[01:46] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, yes there is, I know joakim does
[01:46] <Supersaiyan_IV> haven't tried doing though
[01:47] <blankthemuffin> The driver isn't in my system, but I have it as a .ucode
[01:47] <lelantus> nope
[01:47] <Supersaiyan_IV> jadams__, nvidia-settings not helping?
[01:47] <bsnider> use the preferences button to add everything else and play with that.
[01:47] <jadams__> Supersaiyan_IV, that maxes out a little higher than 1024, but not at the appropriate ratio
[01:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, iwlagn has shared code for most of the new intel chipsets, it simply uses different ucodes for them afaik
[01:48] <blankthemuffin> Supersaiyan_IV, do you know where the ucodes hide?
[01:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> yep 1sec
[01:48] <lelantus> alsa pcm only has one thing
[01:48] <lelantus> master
[01:49] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, in my case /lib/firmware/2.6.27-7-generic/
[01:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> jadams__, can't help out much, haven't tried that out yet myself
[01:50] <bsnider> lelantus, i don't know what you mean
[01:50] <jadams__> Supersaiyan_IV, thanks anyway
[01:50] <blankthemuffin> What is in there for you, I only have the 4965 ones I added, but I don't know how to make them load.
[01:50] <lelantus> bsnider, with pcm selected, preferences only has one device called master
[01:51] <bsnider> the device needs to be hda intel
[01:51] <lelantus> HDA intel already had all the playback devices showing in preferences
[01:51] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, they do load, if they didn't the wireless wouldnt work at all, the ucode is included is modules-restricted-extras
[01:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> blankthemuffin, the ucode just lies there in the folder
[01:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> /lib/firmware/2.6.27-7-generic/iwlwifi-4965-2.ucode
[01:53] <bsnider> lelantus, the ones you need to worry about are master and pcm
[01:53] <lelantus> do i need to be in the audio group? or something like that?
[01:53] <bsnider> no
[01:54] <bsnider> the etup out of the box should be perfect
[01:54] <lelantus> is there a way to re run the sound setup
[01:54] <blankthemuffin> You mean ubuntu-restricted-extras Supersaiyan_IV?
[01:55] <bsnider> lelantus, reinstall alsa-libs and the kernel
[01:55] <dli_> gnome-screensaver doesn't go blank?
[01:55] <Supersaiyan_IV> sorry, yes ubuntu-* blankthemuffin :P
[01:55] <bsnider> dli_, that's a compiz bug
[01:55] <Supersaiyan_IV> dli_, also an ati bug
[01:56] <lelantus> bsnider, the kernel has been updated several times. would it not have fixed the problem then?
[01:57] <bsnider> well maybe those drivers got corrupted or something. there's not a magic fix here. this shouldn't be happening. your system is definitely making sound
[01:57] <dli_> Supersaiyan_IV, it's intel video card
[01:57] <dli_> bsnider, thanks
[01:58] <emma> say, i just installed the fglrx amd/ati driver that came in the last updates of intrepid, upon restart I have a screen that says, 'Out of Frequency Range, lower your frequency or use your monitor user manual'
[01:58] <lelantus> bsnider, ok, how would i go about reinstalling alsa-libs and the kernel? sudo apt-get remove alsa-libs, ....then what
[01:58] <bsnider> lelantus, reinstall is an option in synaptic
[01:59] <Omar87> The screensaver isn't working at all, the monitor stays up all the time even when I'm not using it at all, can you help me, please?
[01:59] <bsnider> Omar87, known bug in compiz. don't worry about it. it will be fixed soon
[01:59] <Omar87> bsnider: is there any workarounds?
[02:00] <lelantus> bsnider, alsa-libs are not installed
[02:00] <bsnider> yes. open compizconfig, general settings, uncheck "unredirect fullscreen windows"
[02:00] <Supersaiyan_IV> Omar87, you could always bind "xset dpms force off"
[02:01] <kniolet> according to my xorg.conf file, my touchpad is no longer configured there, its managed by HAL, but where do I find the configuration for that?
[02:01] <bsnider> lelantus, alsa-base, libasound etc. just search for alsa
[02:02] <Omar87> Supersaiyan_IV: how do I do that?
[02:02] <lelantus> bsnider, should i just reinstall alsa-base?
[02:03] <bsnider> sure
[02:03] <Supersaiyan_IV> Omar87, in compiz ŌåÆ general, bind a command like this "xset dpms force off", then assign a key to it.
[02:03] <blankthemuffin> What's the key code for that arrow Supersaiyan_IV?? :D
[02:03] <Supersaiyan_IV> compiz-settings manager*
[02:04] <Supersaiyan_IV> alrgr+i
[02:04] <Supersaiyan_IV> ;)
[02:04] <Supersaiyan_IV> linux ftw
[02:04] <lelantus> bsnider, nope, didn't do anything
[02:05] <bsnider> well, it could still be any of a million problems
[02:05] <lelantus> awesome
[02:05] <poseidon> So I've decided to switch from debian-kde unstable/testing mix to buntu.  I'm not sure whether to go with kde or gnome, however.
[02:06] <bsnider> ubuntu is better at gnome than kde
[02:06] <Omar87> Supersaiyan_IV: when I try to bind that command it, says the "xset dpms force off" is not a valid shortcut.
[02:06] <blankthemuffin> A lot of people I've spoken too hate KDE 4 also.
[02:06] <poseidon> bsnider, I think debian is as well.  I just like kde's defualt :)
[02:07] <poseidon> and I use kde 3.x
[02:07] <bsnider> that's not available in intrepid
[02:07]  * kniolet LOVES kde4, especially in intrepid, its much better
[02:07] <poseidon> I'll probably go with gnome then
[02:07] <Supersaiyan_IV> Omar87, did you use the keybindings menu under the commands?
[02:07] <Omar87> Supersaiyan_IV: ok ok, I got it. Thanks. :)
[02:07] <Supersaiyan_IV> ;)
[02:07] <Supersaiyan_IV> np
[02:08] <buntunub1> im testing kde4 too for the last week its awesome
[02:08] <poseidon> I don't like all the graphics, I usually turn them all down.  Get the most out of my screen space and RAM
[02:09] <poseidon> kde4 didn't work too well with my dual screens
[02:09] <Omar87> Supersaiyan_IV: when I use that command, the screen turns off and then comes back again, is this normal?
[02:09] <lelantus> bsnider, thanks for the help. I will try to figure it out some other time.
[02:09] <poseidon> I'm just tired of debian's open crap
[02:10] <bsnider> open crap?
[02:10] <Supersaiyan_IV> Omar87, when you use it the screen comes back on if any other key is accidentally pressed simultaneously
[02:10] <Supersaiyan_IV> or mouse is moved
[02:10] <poseidon> bsnider, everything has to be open source (ie firefox isn't available for debian, you have to get iceweasel)
[02:11] <poseidon> Anything that's not 100% open source can be a pain to install.
[02:11] <Supersaiyan_IV> Omar87, just press it fast and it'll work :P make it an easy keybind
[02:11] <Supersaiyan_IV> Omar87, such as ctrl + >
[02:13] <Omar87> Supersaiyan_IV: yeah, it works. thanks. :)
[02:13] <Supersaiyan_IV> ;)
[02:13] <poseidon> btw, since it's been years since I've installed a distro, let me go over the partitions so I don't screw up. Do I need a /boot partition or just a root partition?
[02:13] <bsnider> root is fine
[02:13] <poseidon> k
[02:14] <poseidon> I'll just write over debian's partition.
[02:46] <funkyHat> Anyone else found open/close animations in compiz don't work after upgrading to 8.10?
[02:46] <Supersaiyan_IV> somebody in #ubuntu fried their 350Ōé¼ 20.1" screen then doing ctrl+alt+F7 then ctrl+alt+F1 in kubuntu intrepid
[02:47] <Supersaiyan_IV> I strongly discourage doing it, it may be a serious graphics but, probably a solid refresh rate override
[02:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> bug*
[02:48] <kniolet> isnt it kinda hard to actually fry screens these days?
[02:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> kniolet, this dude must be special or something
[02:48] <Supersaiyan_IV> although, hats off, he found a bug
[02:49] <funkyHat> Everything else works, transparency, minimise, cube etc. but open and close doesn't :(
[02:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat,
[02:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> try enabling fading windows
[02:50] <funkyHat> It's enabled
[02:51] <Supersaiyan_IV> weird, try installing fusion-icon, and running compiz through that one
[02:51] <funkyHat> I don't see any logical reason why that would make a difference
[02:52] <funkyHat> (struggling to find any illogical ones either... :P)
[02:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> it has a different run parameter selector script
[02:52] <emma> Just want someone to know that the fglrx drivers may not work yet.
[02:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, might work, try it out
[02:52] <emma> When I try to activate them they made ubuntu unbootable. Had to go into recovery mode and xfix
[02:57] <funkyHat> emma: I've got the fglrx driver working fine here (although I did have an issue initially because I was using the rt kernel with hardy)
[02:58] <klaxian> anyone know how i can use my 1680 x 1050 screen with ubuntu?  it doesn't seem to pick up that resolution by default
[02:58] <emma> funkyHat: did you do any tricks?
[02:58] <klaxian> i have an intel video card
[02:58] <emma> funkyHat: for me it gives me a screen on startup on the monitor that says "Resolution Frequency Too High"
[02:59] <SnowWrite> hi, I have ubuntu intrepid installed on a DG33-bu and almost everything works! yay
[02:59] <SnowWrite> (intel mobo)
[03:00] <SnowWrite> buuut I can't get network to stay up and sound  was working but now it's not
[03:01] <SnowWrite1> see?
[03:01] <SnowWrite1> :-)
[03:01] <funkyHat> emma: no, no tricks, have you tried without an xorg.conf (move it to xorg.conf.old or something)?
[03:02] <funkyHat> Or perhaps your monitor refresh rate needs to be configured in xorg.conf... I think that's possible :/
[03:02] <emma> i'm trying to do that now.
[03:02] <danbh_intrepid> no, you shouldn't need to set the refresh in xorg.conf
[03:02] <emma> display settings screen resolution is also broken.
[03:03] <danbh_intrepid> you should file a bug report/ search for reports
[03:03] <funkyHat> danbh_intrepid: I know you shouldn't, but if the mointor is reporting frequency too high then that could make it work, no?
[03:03] <danbh_intrepid> funkyHat: yeah
[03:04] <Joelito> hi all, my question is: is apache2 + libapache2-mod-mono + libapache2-mod-php* solved?
[03:04] <Joelito> in intrepid?
[03:05] <action09> hi all$
[03:05] <action09> i'm not sure what driver exactly to use for a graphic card ati radeon hd 4870 with Ubuntu 8.10, can you confirm please ?  I suppose best choice is to use propreietary driver from website ? isent' the a display problem with 8.10 ?
[03:07] <Supersaiyan_IV> i know there is for nvidia, but not sure about ati
[03:08] <Supersaiyan_IV> the latest compiz patch should fix the refresh bug, but now I get corrupted text, now in the chat at times aswell
[03:10] <roxan> I feel intrepid very fast, is it me only or everyone
[03:10] <jiffe88> hmm, anyone know how to connect to a wireless network, I can configure one but I don't see a way to find available networks or connect to one that I configure
[03:10] <funkyHat> Supersaiyan_IV: I installed fusion-icon and ran it and my display died, logging in again :/
[03:10] <KingOfDos> jiffe88: try nm-applet
[03:10] <KingOfDos> or simular packages
[03:10] <roxan> funkyHat, if its available you will see when you click the network manager
[03:11] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, did the display die, or did your X die?
[03:11] <danbh_intrepid> jiffe88: are you looking for a faster refresh of the available networks?
[03:11] <jiffe88> I don't see a place to go to view available networks
[03:12] <Hobbsee> roxan: seems faster than hardy.  I think the kernel helped a lot ofit
[03:12] <funkyHat> Supersaiyan_IV: I got a really weird issue that I've seen before, where the screen stops working apart from a particular section, which displays the wrong part of the screen, and the rest just freezes
[03:12] <roxan> funkyHat, while logging in ?
[03:13] <funkyHat> I can still see the mouse anywhere on the screen, but while clicking on stuff works, I can't see it doing anything (unless the thing I click on is being displayed in the section of screen that is kind of working)
[03:13] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, running ati or nvidia?
[03:13] <funkyHat> ati
[03:13] <Supersaiyan_IV> i see, which mdel
[03:13] <Supersaiyan_IV> model*
[03:13] <funkyHat> It's fine now, I think it may have been caused by me running fusion-icon when compiz was already running
[03:14] <jiffe88> nm-applet --sm-disable appears to be running, I'm guessing thats the icon in the bottom right that is telling me there is no network connection
[03:14] <Supersaiyan_IV> it shouldn't matter, it does a compiz --replace anyways
[03:14] <funkyHat> X1650
[03:14] <funkyHat> Well, stuff died but I logged out and it's fine now
[03:15] <jiffe88> I can choose edit connections if I right click that icon, but that just allows me to statically enter the info for the connection, ssid and all, but I don't see a way to tell it to connect to it
[03:15] <funkyHat> fusion-icon doesn't make any difference to my actual issue though (close/open animations not working)
[03:15] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, do "ps aux | grep compiz" and paste the output
[03:15] <roxan> jiffe88, iwlist your_interface scanning
[03:16] <roxan> jiffe88, see if you can see some ap
[03:17] <jiffe88> hmm it doesn't
[03:17] <funkyHat> Options are --ignore-desktop-hints --replace --indirect-rendering core ccp
[03:17] <jiffe88> my windows laptop is seeing it though
[03:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, what does "glxinfo | grep direct" say?
[03:19] <roxan> jiffe88, then there are no wireless point to connect
[03:19] <funkyHat> X just mashed itself again -.-
[03:20] <roxan> jiffe88, if there had been then you would have seen while clicking the network manager applet
[03:20] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, wth
[03:20] <jiffe88> there is though
[03:20] <funkyHat> Same issue I tried to explain a minute ago, weird display issue
[03:20] <KingOfDos> i've got a problem with the panel options. when i'd rebooted (after my daily update round) my panel was empty. when i'd add for example the K-menu and try to move it to the left side of the panel, i only can move it up and down instead of left and right.
[03:20] <jiffe88> my windows laptop is connected to it
[03:20] <jiffe88> its about 15 ft away fromme
[03:21] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, that's not normal, might be tht compiz is using indirect rendering
[03:21] <funkyHat> When I tried to run compiz --help (to find out what --ignore-desktop-hints does, as it's not in the manpage)
[03:22] <funkyHat> direct rendering: Yes
[03:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> hmm, after reboot try pasting  "glxinfo | grep direct"
[03:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> ok thats good
[03:22] <Supersaiyan_IV> why the indirect redering.. is  "ps aux | grep compiz" output still the same?
[03:23] <funkyHat> Yeah still --indirect-rendering
[03:23] <Supersaiyan_IV> weird
[03:23] <roxan> jiffe88, is your wirelss card supported?
[03:23] <roxan> jiffe88, is the ap not broadcasting ?
[03:23] <roxan> jiffe88, or in simple term hidden?
[03:24] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, i have an ati machine and had similar problems, but I just can't think of anything
[03:24] <jiffe88> its broadcasting, shows up in available networks in windows
[03:24] <funkyHat> So something's wrong with the /usr/bin/compiz script?
[03:24] <KingOfDos> rofl. ok that's realy stupid. i'd found that it whas a "new" panel, somehow automaticly created with the last update.
[03:24] <KingOfDos> removed the panel, and there below that panel whas my original panel again :)
[03:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, yeah, and the parameters it uses
[03:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> im puzzled why it uses indirect rendering when direct is present
[03:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> also im pretty sure fusion icon crashed X because it tried to use direct rendering
[03:26] <jiffe88> ubuntu wasn't even seeing the wireless card in hardy which is why I updated to intrepid
[03:26] <Supersaiyan_IV> KingOfDos, glad you got the display working again
[03:27] <KingOfDos> indeed, otherwise i'd got 350 euro damage :)
[03:28] <roxan> jiffe88, which is your card?
[03:28] <roxan> jiffe88, is it supported now?
[03:28] <KingOfDos> and a nice bug submit "somewhere" (ubuntu, x11, kde4, nvidia, whatever). and after that send my screen back for waranty :)
[03:29] <funkyHat> Supersaiyan_IV: and still, would that have an affect on the open/close animations but seem to have no affect on anything else?
[03:29] <KingOfDos> we've got a law that says that i've got 2 years waranty on every electronic device, so i'll use that law :)
[03:30] <Supersaiyan_IV> KingOfDos, or you could just sqash that bug :P
[03:30] <KingOfDos> i'd dont know enouch from linux to help at that level ;)
[03:30] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, glibloop, does it help?
[03:31] <Supersaiyan_IV> plugin in ccsm
[03:31] <funkyHat> Oh I noticed that yesterday, don't know why I haven't tried it
[03:31] <jiffe88> it looks like it, its a 'Intel Wireless 4965 N' from what I cantell
[03:31] <KingOfDos> i'm using linux now for a few years, learning a lot. but helping to search for a bug that's just dificult for me, at this moment.
[03:32] <funkyHat> Doesn't seem to make any difference though
[03:33] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, hmm, try reinstalling compiz, and make sure all plugins supported/unsupported are installed
[03:33] <KingOfDos> but i'm running without microsoft (at home). and at the office my workstation and all web/mail/db servers at the datacenter are running linux. so yea, i realy beleave in the "linux community" :)
[03:33] <jiffe88> lspci looks like it just says atheros communications inc device
[03:34] <Supersaiyan_IV> KingOfDos, much appreciated :) myself I've used linux for a little more than a yer
[03:34] <funkyHat> Supersaiyan_IV: I've tried reinstalling every compiz package
[03:34] <roxan> what does iwconfig shows jiffe88
[03:34] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, damn, i'm really out of ideas here :/
[03:34] <Supersaiyan_IV> year*
[03:35] <jiffe88> doesn't give a device name, wlan0 says ieee 802.11bgn
[03:35] <KingOfDos> that's why i'm testing kubuntu 8.10, even if that costs me some hardware (what will be a waranty question, because my computer is about 6 months old, and the law says the waranty must be at least 2 year ;) )
[03:36] <Supersaiyan_IV> KingOfDos, still, they could say that you installed an OS that is not officially included
[03:36] <Supersaiyan_IV> which sux
[03:36] <smil3y> KingOfDos>  warranty is void when you install linux
[03:37] <KingOfDos> i'm using linux on about 6 routers and wifi accesspoints, 15 "hacked" routers (other firmware, solderd some new devices based on them). 8 servers at the datacenter, two servers at the office. 2 workstations and 3 laptops :)
[03:37] <smil3y> KingOfDos>  read the eula
[03:37] <Supersaiyan_IV> KingOfDos, if you send it in, make sure to reinstall everything the way it was and blame it on blowdows
[03:37] <KingOfDos> the eula of what?
[03:37] <roxan> jiffe88, ok so you have wireless support
[03:37] <KingOfDos> it's a home build computer
[03:38] <roxan> jiffe88, just a question,,,,, is the wireless switched on on your laptop?
[03:38] <KingOfDos> so i'll just send de defect part of it to the right webshop.
[03:38] <KingOfDos> they won't get my harddisk ;)
[03:38] <jiffe88> it is :)
[03:38] <jiffe88> I turned it off and on just to double check
[03:39] <jiffe88> I'm going to shut this down and throw the vista HD back in, make sure wireless connects there
[03:39] <roxan> can you then tri manually
[03:39] <roxan> jiffe88, iwconfig essid sth key sth
[03:40] <jiffe88> essid?
[03:41] <roxan> jiffe88, thats the ssid
[03:42] <Supersaiyan_IV> jiffe88, iwconfig wlan0 essid NETGEAR key 0000
[03:42] <Supersaiyan_IV> for example
[03:42] <KingOfDos> and even if there is a eula (or something else) by the webshop, they can't prevent the use of linux and they must support damaged hardware by it. it's the lack of support by hardware vendors, not by linux.
[03:42] <jiffe88> hmm, it doesn't like my key argument
[03:43] <jiffe88> which is just a string of characters I'm passing to wpa_passphrase on my freebsd machine
[03:43] <jiffe88> I'm guessing there is some conversion taking place
[03:43] <roxan> are you using hex or ascii?
[03:44] <jiffe88> ascii
[03:44] <funkyHat> Supersaiyan_IV: could be /usr/bin/compiz line 153, | grep -q GLX.*fbconfig
[03:44] <roxan> jiffe88, you need to put s: before your key if its ascii
[03:44] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, checking
[03:44] <jiffe88> ok it did take that
[03:44] <funkyHat> It doesn't return anything because glxinfo writes GLXFBConfigs (capitalisation)
[03:45] <roxan> jiffe88, ok. so what does iwconfig shows?
[03:45] <roxan> jiffe88, connected or ?
[03:45] <jiffe88> so iwconfig wlan0 shows that info, still says not associated
[03:45] <roxan> jiffe88, are you sure you have the right key and your mac is allowd on the ap
[03:46] <jiffe88> yeah, no mac restrictions and I just pulled the key from the config file on the ap
[03:47] <roxan> jiffe88, is it a passphrase or password?
[03:47] <jiffe88> wpa_passphrase
[03:47] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, in other words it's not finding direct rendering
[03:47] <Supersaiyan_IV> although ti should exist
[03:48] <roxan> jiffe88, i'm afraind but i dont think passphrase is supported.
[03:48] <funkyHat> Yeah, well I guess, if that's what GLXFBConfig does... heh
[03:48] <funkyHat> It's not finding something that it looks like it should be finding anyway
[03:48] <jiffe88> well the network configuration takes it and converts it to a different string
[03:50] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, looks like some retarded bug
[03:50] <jiffe88> it doesn't like that string via iwconfig though
[03:50] <jiffe88> its a hex string, probably too long
[03:51] <jiffe88> I'm not seeing this machine in the ap logs at all
[03:51] <poseidon> I did an upgrade (just after I installed) and I got to what seems to be the end  "Removing linux-headers-2.6.27-4 and it's been stuck there for about 20 minutes.  What should I do?
[03:51] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, try doing compiz --replace in a terminal, what's the output?
[03:52] <Supersaiyan_IV> if it says FCconfig: present, then direct rendering should be there
[03:52] <funkyHat> I just added -i to the checks in the compiz script and it's still starting with --indirect-rendering
[03:53] <Supersaiyan_IV> FBconfig*
[03:53] <Supersaiyan_IV> :l
[03:53] <roxan> jiffe88, atleast is should have shown the ap in nm applet
[03:53] <funkyHat> Yeah it says FBConfig: present
[03:54] <poseidon> Should I just end the process and restart?
[03:54] <funkyHat> It says texture_from_pixmap is not present :?
[03:54] <Supersaiyan_IV> funkyHat, that should be present
[03:55] <Supersaiyan_IV> im too tired to think straight, and im out of ideas, it's 05.00 soon, so pillow time for me :P
[03:56] <funkyHat> It's 4:00 soon here too, I should sleep as well
[03:56] <funkyHat> http://pastebin.com/m5e6fc6da
[04:04] <mzuverink> I have an Intel HDA chip on my Sony Vaio Laptop, I have no sound at all, when I test it nothing.  What should I do to get sound?
[04:04] <funkyHat> Ok I feel really silly now I've fixed the animations thing, it was very simple
[04:05] <mzuverink> ok, I take that back, I do hear a low pitch hum, but not the normal sound test, it is much quieter
[04:08] <mzuverink> playing mps, oggs or flacs are the same, sound all the way up, PCM all the way up and Front(?) all the waay up, but nothing more than a wisper
[04:08] <Geforce88> who would one report a typo on the ubuntu.com/support web page?
[04:09] <roxan> mzuverink, go to system preferences sound and see if you can find something
[04:10] <mzuverink> roxan, why would not autodetect locate the write/correct one, it always has in the past
[04:11] <roxan> mzuverink, i dont know
[04:11] <foomanchew> nvidia issues anyone
[04:11] <foomanchew> currently running in safe mode
[04:12] <Geforce88> if you upgraded, you'll have to rebuild your nvidia kernal
[04:12] <foomanchew> serious
[04:12] <Geforce88> sorry, your nvidia drivers will have to be recompiled
[04:12] <Geforce88> new kernal = new rebuild
[04:12] <foomanchew> can I download the binaries from nvidia
[04:12] <foomanchew> for Ibex
[04:13] <Geforce88> what card?
[04:13] <Geforce88> i hear if it's older than the fx series, then use the legacy drivers for now
[04:13] <mzuverink> roxan, will those choices sty, I got them to make sound using the choice of HDA Intel ALC262 Analog(OSS), but in the past this machine has always used ALSA
[04:14] <Geforce88> but yea, you should be able to get the drivers from nvidia, but, if it worked with hte older kernal, do you still have the driver file on yo machien ?
[04:15] <roxan> mzuverink, yes it should by the rule of nature
[04:15] <mzuverink> What sound system is IBEX using this round?
[04:16] <Geforce88> foomanchew : go to #nvidia, they can help you
[04:16] <mzuverink> roxan, wasnt it pulse last time?
[04:16] <foomanchew> Geforce88, thanks
[04:17] <mzuverink> what are the drawback of using oss?
[04:18] <roxan> mzuverink, there is a hype on pulse
[04:18] <roxan> mzuverink, maybe we will have better world if we use it
[04:18] <mzuverink> roxan, I hated pulse
[04:18] <roxan> mzuverink, why?
[04:19] <mzuverink> roxan, what is the drwbacks of using OSS?
[04:21] <mzuverink> roxan, had problems with two sound playing at the same time, for example, I am playing a song in  an app, it was not till the app was closed would I get the sound of K#B sucsessfully burning a cd, which happened like 20 minutes ago prior
[04:22] <jiffe88> alright, I confirmed it does work in windows vista on this laptop
[04:22] <jiffe88> boot back unto ubuntu and its still not seeing any ap's
[04:23] <roxan> mzuverink, hmm thats strange
[04:23] <cs_student> anyone here know what the nvidia program to configure dual-screens is?
[04:23] <roxan> jiffe88, hmm
[04:23] <mzuverink> roxan, I would like to be able to play a song and tlk on skype, could not do that in pul;s either
[04:53] <RyanPrior> Yeah, Linux audio is such a mess, doing anything meaningful makes your brain hurt even if you understand the underlying systems.
[04:58] <TwoD> Anyone who knows the level of support for dual displays in Intrepid by default? I just booted into the LiveCD (from USB drive atm, same problems on actual CD) and the login screen was all garbage with vertical lines on one display when the other was just black with flickering lines.
[04:59] <TwoD> Using the Beta btw...
[05:00] <TwoD> I did get it to work by installing the nvidia 177 drivers and copy most of xorg.conf from Hardy, but I'd like to know if it's possible for a dual head setup to be auto-detected?
[05:02] <crdlb> TwoD: possibly, but that's entirely up to nvidia
[05:03] <crdlb> they don't use any of the cool X infrastructure in their driver, so there's absolutely nothing ubuntu can do to improve the experience
[05:04] <crdlb> TwoD: oh, I see, you mean the default driver
[05:04] <crdlb> well, that one sucks due to nvidia not providing any hardware specs :P
[05:04] <TwoD> I meant before I install their driver, which I had to do to get it working. Would the Live CD without any additional packages be able to use both my monitors (for anything, if it just be a clone).
[05:05] <crdlb> (I believe nvidia mostly writes that one themselves too, but without specs, no one can improve on it from the outside)
[05:05] <TwoD> Sorry, didn't see that last post, had a lag spike...
[05:06] <TwoD> So you're basically saying that with an nvidia card, there's no way to detect more than the default display automatically?
[05:06] <TwoD> Is it possible with an ati card? (Not that I'd switch... just curious...)
[05:07] <crdlb> I'd expect that the 'nv' driver is _supposed_ to detect both monitors, but clearly it doesn't work well if so
[05:08] <crdlb> in the case of ATI, the open source driver can do it out of the box for the cards it supports well (and hit-or-miss for the ones it barely supports)
[05:09] <crdlb> and the really new ones aren't supported at all except with vesa AFAIK
[05:09] <crdlb> so, it's not so much better, but it's _getting_ better, which cannot be said for nvidia
[05:09] <TwoD> ah ok. I guess that's why the Monitor Resolution Settings dialog is pretty useless for me then...
[05:10] <crdlb> nvidia needs to implement XRandR 1.2 for that dialog to allow you to configure multihead
[05:10] <crdlb> since they don't, you have to use nvidia-settings instead
[05:11] <TwoD> Ah, it's kinda confusing that those settings are still enabled while there's no support for them, and no mentioning of that in the dialog itself. :/
[05:13] <crdlb> heh
[05:13] <bluefox83> ok, you folks likely get this question a lot, but has the nvidia driver issue been solved in 8.10 yet?
[05:13] <bluefox83> because i'm stuck with horrid resolution D;
[05:13] <crdlb> bluefox83: you mean pre-FX series?
[05:13] <bluefox83> hrm?
[05:14] <bluefox83> i dunno >.>
[05:14] <crdlb> ... what problem are you talking about then?
[05:14] <bluefox83> i can't seem to get ibex to load the new nvidia card drivers properly
[05:14] <crdlb> with what card?
[05:15] <bluefox83> holdon two seconds >.>
[05:15] <bluefox83> 00:12.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 7150M (rev a2)
[05:16] <crdlb> in that case, I'm not sure what issue you're referring to
[05:16] <bluefox83> ok, when i first upgraded, i had two possible video card drivers
[05:16] <bluefox83> neither one of them changed the resolution
[05:16] <bluefox83> how do i fix my resolution?
[05:17] <crdlb> are you sure they successfully enabled?
[05:17] <bluefox83> it's currently at 800x600 >.>
[05:17] <bluefox83> well, i uninstalled them...because i wasn't sure which was working
[05:17] <bluefox83> then reinstalled the 173 one
[05:17] <bluefox83> but now i can't get it to come up on the hardware driver list
[05:17] <bluefox83> i even rebooted
[05:17] <crdlb> nice
[05:17] <bluefox83> yeah
[05:17] <bluefox83> so, any ideas?
[05:17] <crdlb> install nvidia-glx-177 with apt-get
[05:18] <crdlb> that should make it show up in the driver manager
[05:19] <bluefox83> Error! Your kernel source for kernel 2.6.24-21-generic cannot be found at
[05:19] <bluefox83> /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/build or /lib/modules/2.6.24-21-generic/source.
[05:19] <bluefox83> Installing initial module
[05:19] <bluefox83> Error! Could not locate nvidia.ko for module nvidia in the DKMS tree.
[05:19] <bluefox83> You must run a dkms build for kernel 2.6.24-21-generic (i686) first.
[05:19] <bluefox83> Done.
[05:19] <bluefox83> ?
[05:19] <bluefox83> the heck does that mean?
[05:19] <crdlb> no, that does not mean the heck
[05:20] <crdlb> I'm not entirely sure what it does mean though
[05:20] <bluefox83> i think it's a bad idea to install beta software, even if it is less than a month away from being stable >.>
[05:20] <crdlb> eh, you seem to be using the wrong kernel
[05:20] <bluefox83> well the other one wouldn't let my wifi card work at all >.>
[05:21] <bluefox83> is there an issue with the latest kernel and the atheros card?
[05:23] <bofh80> hi chaps, i have upto date intrepid.......however my nvidia-settings crash when i try to save to X config file. any ideas?
[05:25] <TwoD> bofh80: are you running it as root?
[05:26] <bofh80> TwoD, i tried it normally first, it crashed, then i ran sudo nvidia-settings, same effect. it crashes when i hit save to. i'm trying to enable my dual screens properly...but it crashs if i just try to save resolution for th esingle monitor
[05:27] <bluefox83> i think they did this to get everyone to learn not to upgrade before a release goes stable >.>
[05:29] <TwoD> bofh80: does it crash at the exact moment you hit "Save to X Configuration File"? Or when you hit the "Save" button in the dialog that pops up? As a workaround, try showing the preview and copy/paste the contents into your xorg.conf
[05:30] <bofh80> TwoD, the dialog box does not come up after i hit save, cpu spikes for a few seconds then i get crash reports etc . 1 sec on  paste
[05:31] <bluefox83> ok, will a nvidia driver work if i uninstall everything that provides "nvidia" then compile a new one from the installer on the nvidia site?
[05:31] <bofh80> TwoD, http://paste.ubuntu.com/59138/
[05:31] <bofh80> bluefox83, you'll be really screwing with things going down that route . .  . .
[05:32] <bluefox83> bofh80, well nothing is working so far
[05:32] <bluefox83> i can't use the latest kernel, cus it wont let my wifi card work...
[05:32] <bofh80> bluefox83, oh i c. nasty . .  .:S
[05:32] <bluefox83> i have an atheros wifi card...
[05:33] <bluefox83> it works in this kernel, but in this one the video doesn't work at all
[05:33] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: in which kernel?
[05:33] <bofh80> yes, i was screwed until i realised my old internet connection was working through ethernet, cos my bluetooth PAND connection is no longer support by bluez.. rather odd
[05:33] <TwoD> bofh80: any error messages during the crash when you run sudo nvidia-settings from the command line?
[05:33] <bluefox83> 2.6.24-21-generic
[05:33] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: but the atheros does'nt work in 2.6.27-7-generic?
[05:34] <bofh80> TwoD, core dump or something simlar. you want the exact?
[05:34] <bluefox83> Hobbsee, correct
[05:34] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: does the card flash, at all?
[05:34] <bluefox83> and the video doesn't seem to want to work in either D:
[05:34] <bofh80> TwoD, Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:34] <bluefox83> Hobbsee, no, then again it doesn't flash now either
[05:34] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: meh, nvidia.
[05:34] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: ouch.
[05:34] <bluefox83> <3 nvidia
[05:35] <bofh80> TwoD, dmesg says  nvidia-settings[9125]: segfault at 8 ip 080ae92b sp bfec4210 error 4 in nvidia-settings[8048000+93000]
[05:35] <TwoD> bofh80: nah, was just thinking there might be a clue to what made it crash, like some function reporting file not writeable or whatever.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: dunno if the restricted manager will find the drivers for the video card
[05:35] <Hobbsee> but it might be something to try
[05:35] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: no idea if it's https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/network-manager/+bug/259157
[05:36] <TwoD> bofh80: hmm, I guess only nvidia would be able to tell where in the code that is... tried reinstalling it?
[05:36] <bofh80> TwoD, i tried the 173 driver instead
[05:36] <bofh80> TwoD, same problem ofc
[05:36] <bluefox83> it currently says the 177 driver is being used (and is recommended) but i can't seem to fix my resolution
[05:37] <bofh80> bluefox83, use nvidia settings :D
[05:38] <alabamahit> I can't watch my DVDs....Have installed ubuntu-restricted-extras...any ideas?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: what error does it give?
[05:38] <TwoD> bofh80:  Hmm, I don't let nvidia-settings mess wit xorg.conf myself as it keeps disabling the extra buttons on my MX518 mouse, even tho I can't find any changes to that part... I'll paste my xorg.conf, maybe you can grab the parts you need and edit it manually?
[05:38] <bofh80> TwoD, you have two screens?
[05:39] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: Could not read from resource.
[05:39] <alabamahit> Disk is clean.
[05:39] <bluefox83> bofh80, nvidia-settings keeps saying i am not using a nvidia driver...which is retarded cus i am >.>
[05:40]  * bluefox83 wonders whose hairbrained idea it was to break nvidia and atheros D:
[05:40] <TwoD> bofh80: yes. I'm running a 19" LG (DVI) and a 24" BenQ (VGA). Got a few metamodes set up for some testing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59146/
[05:40] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: well, nvidia tends to do their own drivers...
[05:40] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: in totem?
[05:40] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: That is correct.
[05:41] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: in MPlayer it says Seek Failed
[05:41] <bofh80> TwoD, you using twinview? i need seperate X servers :)
[05:42] <alabamahit> Ihave even tried rebooting the computer and unmounting the Movie and Remounting it.
[05:42] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: in system, preferences, sound, what's selected?
[05:42] <bofh80> TwoD, but at least i'm pushed in the right direction, i go find some xorg confs
[05:42] <Hobbsee> iirc, i had this one a whiel ago
[05:42] <TwoD> bofh80: yeah I'm on TwinView atm. I think you should just be able to set the Xinerama flag to 1 tho.
[05:43] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: there is alot there...any certain?
[05:43] <bluefox83> if i can't get a descent resolution soon i'm going to break something >.>
[05:43] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: do they all read pulseaudio?
[05:44] <alabamahit> in the Device Tab...Most say Autotdect
[05:44] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: oh, have you installed libdvdcss?
[05:44] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: oh, have you installed libdvdcss2?
[05:45] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: yeah, it installs with the ubuntu-extras..
[05:45] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: no it doesn't...
[05:45] <alabamahit> i even looked to make sure it did install right.
[05:45] <alabamahit> ..
[05:45] <alabamahit> ill check again
[05:46] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: however, it does install libdvdread3, which has a script at /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh.  If you run that script, it'll install libdvdcss2 for you (or you can download it in another way if you choose)
[05:46] <Hobbsee> (it's forbidden from being distributed directly, due to legal issues)
[05:47] <bluefox83> ok, what happened to pidgin? where the heck did that go?
[05:47] <alabamahit> lol
[05:47] <alabamahit> sypantic wont open LMAO
[05:47] <alabamahit> brb smoke break....
[05:47] <alabamahit> and Reboot...
[05:47] <alabamahit> Brb
[05:48] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: it's there on my system...
[05:49] <TwoD> Hmm, if I upgrade to Intrepid, it'll ask if I wish to keep my xorg.conf, right? Otherwise I'd have to go through it all again :/
[05:51] <bluefox83> Hobbsee, at some point my system forgot to reinstall pidgin
[05:51] <Hobbsee> bluefox83: weird.
[05:51] <bluefox83> it took it out, then never put it back, i had to tell it to
[05:51] <bluefox83> yes, very weird
[05:52] <Hobbsee> TwoD: most of it should be autodected.  not sure if it gets picked up by default now.
[05:52] <bluefox83> how do i check to see if my system is really using the nvidia driver and not the nv one?
[05:52] <bluefox83> cus lsmod | grep nvidia actually shows nvidia
[05:55] <TwoD> Hobbsee: It definitely doesn't autodetect my two monitors on my GeForce 7800, or my Logitech MX518 mouse, and from what it seems not my Microsoft Multimedia Keyboard 1.0A (Wired version is not listed, only wireless) either
[05:55] <Hobbsee> TwoD: darn.  Note, I said "should"
[05:56] <TwoD> Yeah I know hehe
[05:56] <bluefox83> ok, so i selected one of the video drivers to use, is there anything i need to do to get it to actually USE the dang thing? restart X or something?
[05:56] <TwoD> I couldn't see the login screen / log in without downloading nvidia drivers, copy/modify my old xorg.conf and restart X....
[05:57] <TwoD> bluefox83: that'd be a good idea yes, I prefer restarting the whole computer just to be sure.
[06:00] <TwoD> What?? Still no x86_64 Flash download? Now that they finally made a .deb and all! :(
[06:01] <TwoD> Bleh, time to go back to Hardy. Nice visit tho, cya...
[06:01] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: libdvdread3 is installed
[06:02] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: yes, and...?
[06:02] <Hobbsee> [15:46] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: however, it does install libdvdread3, which has a script at /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/install-css.sh.  If you run that script, it'll install libdvdcss2 for you (or you can download it in another way if you choose)
[06:02] <Hobbsee> (the libdvdcss2 is what you actually need to do the descrambling)
[06:02] <alabamahit> oh..sorry...forgot that...let me navigate there. :)
[06:03] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:03]  * Hobbsee has modified both packages before...
[06:03] <Hobbsee> (so i do know them relatively well)
[06:04] <alabamahit> Ok, im there i see that install.
[06:04] <alabamahit> do i just double click that?...Sorry for the noob question...still learning Linux.
[06:05] <Hobbsee> er, you'll need to run that as root
[06:05] <Hobbsee> (if you can do it from inside nautilus, eys)
[06:05] <Hobbsee> !libdvdcss
[06:05] <Hobbsee> !dvd
[06:05] <Hobbsee> hmm
[06:06] <Hobbsee> !restricted
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ^ givesmore clear instructions on it
[06:07] <Hobbsee> although i think it advocates another way
[06:07] <Hobbsee> oh, hurrah, it does use my method!
[06:09] <Hobbsee> but the path has changed, and that's out of date.  sigh
[06:10] <alabamahit> yeah i had to remove the /examples/ out of it
[06:10] <alabamahit> but it ran..
[06:10] <Hobbsee> so you should be able to restart totem, and have it run
[06:11] <frybye> Hi - anybody else noticed that embedded flash videos stop running after a few seconds since the intrepid-beta update that was distributed an hour or so ago...?
[06:11] <alabamahit> crap says same thing....should i try rebooting computer?
[06:12] <frybye> - I would like to make a bug-report about this but dont really know enough to be able to do that.. not sure which package is the one with the bug etc..
[06:14] <alabamahit> brb
[06:15] <frybye> I notice now that this does not seem to be a problem when watching youtube stuff with the totem youtube-plugin for instance - but is apparently a problem when watching videos in firefox...
[06:17] <crdlb> frybye: the difference is that flash is playing them in firefox and gstreamer is playing the underlying file when you use totem
[06:17] <crdlb> so it's probably a flash bug
[06:17] <alabamahit> Hobbsee: After reboot everything is working Perfect :)
[06:17] <alabamahit> Thank you very Much :)
[06:17] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: \o/
[06:18] <Hobbsee> alabamahit: you're welcome!
[06:18] <frybye> crdlb: hmmm... strange the videos are now working in youtube.. perhaps it was just the couple of specific files i treid before..
[06:19] <alabamahit> frybye: you on 64 bit?
[06:20] <frybye> alabamahit: yes - but I have gone back to some of the content which had caused the problem and it is working now.. end of crisis heheh
[06:21] <frybye> goodness knows what the problem was 15 mins ago....
[06:21] <alabamahit> yeah...64 is ify some times, lol...I was using it...Sometimes flash worked...and sometimes it didnt lol
[06:22] <frybye> thats it perhaps. ... the limits of running an emulated 32bit system...+#
[06:23] <alabamahit> yeah im back on 32 now...less problems.
[06:23] <elbermungster> when is RC coming out
[06:23] <alabamahit> Though I was very impressed in 8.10 speed in 64bit.
[06:23] <alabamahit> elbermungster: the 30th i think
[06:24] <alabamahit> :) now Acid Rip is working :)
[06:24] <frybye> elbe rc of what???
[06:24] <wgrant> Anybody here running Intrepid with a touchpad? I need victims.
[06:24] <frybye> Intrepid??
[06:24] <alabamahit> Now I don't have to worry about this $40 South Park season i just bought getting scrathed wOOt
[06:25] <alabamahit> frybye: I hope thats what he ment lol.
[06:26] <frybye> this embedded video problem seems to still be there on the bbc-news site..
[06:26] <frybye> they have thier own implementation of the flash payer thing though....
[06:27] <frybye> and are totally unresponsive if you write to them on a technical issue.. never ever had a reply to such a feedback...
[06:28] <frybye> one would hope they take not of what is said and are -only- too bloody arrogant (or overworked-) to take the time to reply...
[06:40] <bronzewalla84> i have a new dell studio laptop, with a fresh intrepid install and can't seem to get sound out of either of the headphone jacks, can anyone help?
[06:56] <joshual> is there a gui to change default applications in ubuntu? i know kde (kubuntu) has one...
[06:59] <joshual> ah yes there is a way... nautilus>preferences>media (tab)
[06:59] <joshual> sort of
[06:59] <frybye> joshual: I am running a German version of intrepid - and it is in system|settings|prefered-applications here...?
[07:00] <frybye> at least that would probably be a decent translation of what is here..
[07:00] <joshual> frybye: yeah but its very limmited
[07:00] <frybye> must confess I did not get to look at it.. just went to see if such a thing existed at all...
[07:00] <joshual> cant select when a dvd is put what to use etc...
[07:01] <joshual> yeah, apparently in intrepid things are a bit better
[07:01] <joshual> 14 days
[07:01] <joshual> and ill get it
[07:01] <frybye> joshual: will for sure be ways to do it - by editing various *.conf files i guess...
[07:01] <joshual> yeah
[07:02] <joshual> i like to know gui ways in case i need to tell someone who isnt familiar with the terminal much how to do things
[07:02] <frybye> afaik if you get the beta now - will auto-update to the full version when the day arrives...?
[07:02] <joshual> yeah i had kubuntu intrepid and it was hellish so I went back to ubuntu hardy, i'll just wait... no rush
[07:02] <frybye> joshual: sure that makes sence.. and if ubuntu hopes to win folks over from windows - then the gui has to at least do most stuff for them...
[07:03] <joshual> yeah
[07:03] <frybye> i tried kubuntu intrepid and gave up on it too...
[07:03] <frybye> spent days just trying to get the sound system to work anything like ok...
[07:03] <Kr0ntab> joshual: so the nautilus media tab doesn't do what you want?
[07:03] <joshual> frybye: yeah! i couldnt play movie dvds without horrible quality, and had to log into a differnt DE to play games etc etc
[07:03] <Kr0ntab> I'm looking at the interface now... and you can specify what application you want to use for DVD's
[07:04] <td123> frybye: you should get the final cd and install a fresh copy (there could be leftover files from the beta which is always not good) :D
[07:04] <frybye> yeah but I have tweeked and added so much stuff.. it means weeks of struggel to do a fresh install again...
[07:04] <joshual> Kr0ntab: in hardy you can only specify "ask what to do" "do nothing" "open folder" or "open movie player"
[07:04] <joshual> no way to set a custom app
[07:05] <frybye> joshual: here it is not all about hardy...
[07:05] <Kr0ntab> You're not asking about Intrepid?
[07:05] <joshual> i know frybye but i cant handle #ubuntu ... its impossible to get a word in edgewise there...
[07:05] <frybye> no good to use hardy to try and find out how to do stuff with intrepid...
[07:05] <joshual> Kr0ntab: no
[07:06] <joshual> i posted a proposal to make a new irc channel for general questions for whatever released version is current, something like #ubuntu1 ... its really impossible to get help in that channel
[07:06] <joshual> most of the time
[07:06] <frybye> well i know the #ubuntu crowed shove one straight over here if they figure one is asking about +1 - so dont be supprised if the same happens <>
[07:08] <frybye> having a ubuntu-a ubuntu-b etc with automatic splitting them up when a certain <active->user-number was reached would prob. be the best way - not sure if irc system can cope with such...?
[07:08] <joshual> yeah that would be cool
[07:09] <frybye> a lot of priv. chat systems do it - and even annoyingly use the same name for the chat-rooms even if split up -- if you go to chat room "whetever" it could in fact be "whatever7" or whatever5 - but one does not know - just when you wanna meet a certain person and they send email that they are there and you dont find them - then it becomes clear what is happening...
[07:11] <joshual> yeah that sounds like it could be a real hassle, not knowing...
[07:11] <frybye> joshual: if you put a ? in #ubuntu and get a response at all - then of course you can ask the person if ok to move to /msg ...
[07:11] <frybye> but this is all a wee bit OT here to be honest... ;=(
[07:12] <Hobbsee> frybye: tha'ts been discussed before.  The general thought is that a whole lot of <beep> users would go "oh, look, more channels!  Lets ask the questions in all of them, simultaneously!"
[07:13] <joshual> I agree that it's OT, but I think as long as noone is talking On Topic, then why make a fuss about Off Topic... my opinion (not that you're making a fuss)
[07:13] <Hobbsee> also, a lot of people here probably haven't run hardy in a while
[07:15] <joshual> it seems a lot of people are using awn these days...
[07:28] <lirit> in my xorg.conf, there are these lines: #commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used
[07:28] <lirit> why is that?
[09:02] <crazy_bus> medibuntu doesn't seem to have ffmpeg anymore.  I thought this might have been replaced by ffmpeg-unstripped in multiverse but when I installed I still couldn't encode with xvid.  Am I doing anything wrong?
[09:05] <Hobbsee> crazy_bus: #medibuntu, surely...
[09:05] <crazy_bus> I asked there but only got the response of unstripped from one person
[09:10] <Nyquist333> I think there might be a bug with the network-manager setting MTU for eth0.
[09:10] <mzuverink> I am desperately trying to get sound out of my sony vaaio laptop,in prior installs it worked uner auto detect.  I ha the Intel HDA sound chip in it/  Anyone willing to help me out and take a stab at it?
[09:12] <dli_> mzuverink, 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss  8) does "aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/Noise.wav" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list als
[09:12] <dli_> a users>
[09:12] <Nyquist333> I've had problems recording. Still do in some apps. You may need to add every device to your mixer and check if something is muted or low.
[09:12] <dli_> mzuverink, from #debian alsa checklist
[09:13] <Nyquist333> I don't have alsaconf.
[09:13] <mzuverink> dli_, thanks, your a gem and a plethora of info in theis darkness of no sound
[09:15] <Nyquist333> so does anyone know why I have to always set the MTU to 1492 on reboot for eth0. It always goes back to automatic, and 1500 which does not work for some websites.
[09:24] <elektronisch> okay, so i upgraded to the latest devel release of 8.10 and im getting a ipw2200 firmware load error??  on boot.. now my wifi wont connect
[09:24] <elektronisch> id give you the exact error but it happens on load and i dont see it in `dmesg`
[09:25] <elektronisch> okay ipw2200-bss.fw request_firmware failed: Reason -2
[09:25] <elektronisch> is the error
[09:25] <mzuverink> dli_, in your first response to me you ended the line "<list als"  was here supposed to be more to that line
[09:25] <dli_> elektronisch, http://ipw2200.sourceforge.net/firmware.php
[09:26] <elektronisch> it was working.. last night and i do a update every day just to test.. so whatever changed between yesterday and today involving ipw2200 broke it..
[09:26] <dli_> mzuverink, join #debian on oftc.net, /msg dpkg alsa checklist
[09:27] <elektronisch> oh well, guess ill figure out a way to get these drivers compiled tomorrow
[09:28] <mzuverink> dli_, thaank you
[09:28] <mzuverink> dli_, thank very much
[09:28] <gnomefreak> out bot has help for getting sound working
[09:29] <gnomefreak> s/out/our
[09:29] <crimsun> elektronisch: make sure you have the requisite linux-firmware package installed.
[09:39] <rothchild> sorry I know this is really trivial, but how do I turn off the large balloon notification announcing that I am connected to my router?
[09:41] <zniavre> rothchild:  may be you can try >gconf-editor >/apps/panel/global/tooltips_enabled
[09:41] <bertodsera> hi! I made a keyboard layout for a language that is not present in the distro, I added it into /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols, now what should I do to see it? restart?
[09:41] <zniavre> restart session i guess
[09:42] <bertodsera> tnx :)
[09:43] <rothchild> thanks zniavre
[09:52] <siriusnova> hello
[09:53] <siriusnova> anyone here notice a bug with Intrepid Beta and Nvidia cards, mainly that Xorg goes to 100% cpu use?
[09:53] <siriusnova> it does this on my brand new hp dv5t laptop with a GeForce 9600M GT
[09:53] <siriusnova> it makes everything unusable
[09:54] <bertodsera> where do I update the list of languages installed in SCIM?
[09:54] <bertodsera> to add custom languages, I mean
[09:55] <action09> hi all
[09:56] <action09> can't find my answer: is Ubuntu 8.10 will work with a graphic card Radeon HD4870 ?  i mean with base installation ? any link to help/configure is needed ??
[09:56] <action09> hi first :)
[09:59] <Blinkiz> Hi. Am looking for the simple tool that creates .deb file when running "sudo make install" on a source package. What is the name?
[10:03] <fincan> hi
[10:03] <fincan> any1 here uses  ubuntu 8.10 on RAID0 setup?
[10:03] <fincan> any1 here uses  ubuntu 8.10 on RAID0 setup with dual-boot?
[10:05] <Blinkiz> fincan, I use software raid1 on ubuntu 8.10.
[10:05] <fincan> with dual-boot?
[10:06] <Blinkiz> Naa, depends what you mean with dual-boot. I have windows vista also installed.
[10:07] <fincan> yeah I mean windows+linux
[10:07] <fincan> I have a problem with dual-booy
[10:07] <fincan> boot
[10:07] <fincan> there is no problem with booting ubuntu from grub
[10:08] <fincan> but after selecting the windows entry in grob, pc freezes and I have never achieved to boot windows :(
[10:09] <fincan> could u share ur windows entry plz*
[10:09] <Blinkiz> fincan, So this raid0 you have. Is it something on your moderboard (bios)? Or have you created the raid with mdadm?
[10:10] <fincan> created with dmraid
[10:10] <Blinkiz> fincan, Was windows already installed before you created it with dmraid?
[10:10] <fincan> first installed was windows xp
[10:11] <Blinkiz> fincan, Did you install windows xp on the raid0 set of disk or on a single disk?
[10:11] <fincan> both OS s on the same raid0 setup
[10:11] <Blinkiz> fincan, So the first time you created this raid0, was before any operatingsystem had started (bios), right?
[10:12] <fincan> yeap
[10:13] <Blinkiz> fincan, So after you installed winxp, you installed ubuntu 8.10.
[10:13] <Blinkiz> fincan, And now there is one entry in grub about windows that does not work?
[10:14] <fincan> I tried almost all options about windows boot but all I tried could not boo
[10:14] <fincan> t
[10:14] <linux1> does anyone know if the xserver in intrepid has mpx support
[10:15] <Blinkiz> fincan, I have to ask. Because you are installing ubuntu 8.10, are you a experience user of linux/ubuntu?
[10:15] <fincan> I used ubuntu almost all 6.10's l
[10:15] <fincan> lifetime
[10:16] <fincan> other releases have a bug about raid but it is over with 8.10 and I m back for linux :)
[10:16] <Blinkiz> linux1, Don't know. Find the version number that xserver has in intrepid and search on google about "xserver mpx support". Maybe you will see a version number when it was implemented
[10:16] <Blinkiz> fincan, Nice :)
[10:16] <Blinkiz> fincan, I have no clue about your problem. Sorry.
[10:17] <fincan> Blinkiz: btw what r differences between mdadm ann dmraid?
[10:18] <Blinkiz> fincan, mdadm is for true software raid. dmraid is for fake hardware raid. True raid is not handled with either mdadm or dmraid
[10:19] <Blinkiz> But I must reserve my self about the last sentence. Have forgot, but I think its like that
[10:20] <fincan> Blinkiz: which 1 is better performance?
[10:21] <fincan> Blinkiz: and may I install mdadm raid as this guide? http://wiki.auzigog.com/My_Ubuntu_(7.10)_Installation
[10:22] <utente6> hello
[10:22] <Blinkiz> fincan, Its the same speed. Both using the cpu to do the raid functionality. I used dmraid in the past but got a crash and drop that tool. More functionality in true software raid.
[10:23] <fincan> Blinkiz: and installing process?
[10:23] <Blinkiz> fincan, No, the guide on that link is way to complicated. Don't know why
[10:24] <fincan> Blinkiz: may I install mdadm as this dmraid guide?
[10:24] <Blinkiz> fincan, No, different tools
[10:25] <fincan> any mdadm guide u use?
[10:25] <Blinkiz> fincan, Hmmm, I guess I just use "man mdadm"
[10:26] <fincan> man mdadm: any link?
[10:26] <Blinkiz> fincan, You write "man mdadm" in a console on your computer. :P
[10:26] <fincan> XD
[10:27] <Blinkiz> fincan, after you have installed mdadm. I believe its sudo apt-get install mdadm
[10:27] <fincan> I ask a guide for ubuntu install with mdadm :)
[10:27] <Blinkiz> fincan, But I can't solve your problem. Am the wrong guy...
[10:27] <utente6> look on the web ubuntu > documentation
[10:28] <fincan> thx anyway m8, at least I ll try mdadm instead of dmraid
[10:28] <fincan> but 1 more thing could u share ur grub windows entryplz ? :)
[10:28] <Blinkiz> fincan, if you use mdadm, windows will not work
[10:29] <Blinkiz> fincan, http://blinkiz.pastebin.com/d5af1deba
[10:29] <fincan> this is bad news :)
[10:30] <Blinkiz> fincan, I feel you have to understand more about "fake hardware raid" and "software raid". Search on the net...
[10:31] <Blinkiz> fincan, To have windows work, you have to use fake hardware raid or true raid
[10:32] <fincan> so no chance for softraid for me and there is a bug or problem between windows and grub :(
[10:32] <fincan> Blinkiz: some1 must detroy all digital world XD
[10:33] <Blinkiz> fincan, It's no problem between windows and grub. It's your understanding about how fake hardware raid work that is the problem here
[10:34] <Blinkiz> fincan, And I have to little knowledge to help you in this matter
[10:35] <fincan> trust me there is problem or bug, there is no problem with 6.10 but after all releases from 6.10, it is pain
[10:35] <fincan> thx alot anyway :)
[10:35] <Blinkiz> :)
[10:35] <fincan> any other raid0 user with dual-boot(windows and ubuntu 8.10)?
[10:36] <Blinkiz> fincan, Ask me anything about virtualization with kvm/qemu and I can probably help you more :)
[10:36] <fincan> noted :)
[10:52] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[10:53] <elvirolo> could anyone remind how to get the "changelog" of packages that have just been updated?
[10:54] <elvirolo> it's somewhere on launchpad
[10:58] <d-b> hi there is it acceptable to do a manual alteration of source list and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade to move from ubuntu hardy to 8.10 ?
[10:59] <veloc1ty> sudo update-manager -d should do it
[10:59] <d-b> what if it is headless ?
[10:59] <d-b> or i want to see what happens ?
[10:59] <veloc1ty> you will see what happens oO
[10:59] <d-b> hardly ....
[11:00] <veloc1ty> run it in terminal, then you can see what happens
[11:00] <Hobbsee> elvirolo: aptitude changelog <packagename> works too
[11:00] <Hobbsee> d-b: you can do it manually, but you might miss some of the upgrader hints.
[11:01] <d-b> i can do without the hints.
[11:02] <d-b> Hobbsee: is kde4 replacing kde3 on 8.10 ?
[11:02] <Hobbsee> d-b: yes.
[11:03] <d-b> is there no option to keep kde3 ?
[11:07] <d-b> and how does one file a bug in ubuntu. without going to launchpad ...
[11:14] <Hobbsee> d-b: you don't, more or less.
[11:14] <Hobbsee> and no, you can't keep kde3, afaik
[11:14] <Hobbsee> unless you don't upgrade
[11:15] <d-b> damn. no reportbug like in debian.
[11:16] <frybye> d-b - Intrepid has an automated bug-report system - but it does not always kick-in... how to use it with a manual-start I am not sure..
[11:16] <d-b> its apport right ?
[11:17] <kimus1> hi, every time I login no WM and no compiz is loaded... I allways have to go to Appearance and enable Effects
[11:40] <shirish> hi can somebody help me, this system-cleaner has some issues, can somebody help me.
[11:42] <Hobbsee> interesting.  didn't know that existed.
[11:42] <shirish> Hobbsee: hi
[11:42] <Hobbsee> hey shirish
[11:42]  * Hobbsee removes some cruft
[11:42] <shirish> Hobbsee: hey
[11:43] <shirish> Hobbsee: can you help me, this system-cleaner is stuck, its not showing up in the top, how do I kill it?
[11:44] <shirish> ?
[11:45] <Hobbsee> sarah@neptune:~% ps aux | grep cleaner                                   9:44PM
[11:45] <Hobbsee> root     26578  4.4  2.4  72020 51548 pts/0    S+   21:44   0:01 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/system-cleaner-gtk
[11:45] <Hobbsee> pkill it.
[11:46] <zniavre> shirish:  its quite long and almost frozen but it does the tricks
[11:47] <shirish> zniavre: so should it be pkill 26578 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/system-cleaner-gtk?
[11:47] <Hobbsee> shirish: no...
[11:48] <shirish> then?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> process numbers are random...
[11:48] <Hobbsee> so, you need to see what it's process number on your system is first.
[11:49] <shirish> its 7026
[11:50] <shirish> Hobbsee: wait a sec, process numbers are the second one from root or the one just before the pts/0 thing
[11:50] <Chousuke> it's the second field
[11:51] <shirish> ok cool
[11:51] <shirish> so it should be pkill 7026 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/system-cleaner-gtk
[11:51] <shirish> but still that didn't kill it :(
[11:52] <d-b> killall also works.
[11:52] <Chousuke> no
[11:52] <Chousuke> no
[11:52] <pwang_> why are there so many updates a day in intrepid?
[11:52] <Hobbsee> shirish: no, because root owns the process.
[11:52] <Chousuke> just "kill 7026"
[11:52] <Chousuke> with sudo
[11:53] <elbermungster> there's like, 100
[11:53] <shirish> that one did it.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> elbermungster: because it keeps changing?
[11:53] <Chousuke> pwnguin: it's still under development.
[11:53] <Chousuke> oops
[11:53] <Chousuke> don't change your nickname like that ;/
[11:55] <elbermungster> and is there like an update freeze right after the final version comes out?
[11:55] <d-b> elbermungster: no. it has already been frozen if i understand correctly.
[11:55] <d-b> sorry it is pre-release freeze state.
[11:58] <shirish> hi guys, i have another issue please see http://pastebin.com/d153327ba
[11:59] <shirish> I was purging some unused kernel, it gives me stuff like The link /vmlinuz.old is a damaged link Removing symbolic link vmlinuz.old  ┬Āyou may need to re-run your boot loader[grub]
[11:59] <Hobbsee> d-b: somewhat frozen.  important stuff's still getting let through.
[12:00] <Hobbsee> it'll fully freeze a few days before release, though
[12:00] <d-b> Hobbsee: odd. i would have thought it was the other way around. freeze the core and make the fixes where they need to be made.
[12:00] <d-b> (at least for debian).
[12:00] <shirish> so how do I re-run the boot-loader grub ?
[12:00] <Hobbsee> d-b: well, where "important stuff" is release-critical stuff.
[12:00] <d-b> ah. that explains it.
[12:01] <Hobbsee> shirish: sudo update-grub?
[12:01] <shirish> Hobbsee: I guess that's it for that one :)
[12:08] <Rasputin> whats the 'widget' next to the application launcher called? mines gone missing
[12:08] <Rasputin> on kde
[12:10] <shirish> anybody knows what  gtkhtml3.14 is being superseeded by?
[12:12] <shirish> ?
[12:20] <Pretto> why update manager is downloading and installing an application I never installed before as un update?
[12:21] <Pretto> UpdateManager is showing system-cleaner-gtk in the list of updates,  but why if  I never had it installed before?
[12:22] <shirish> what is this Ichthux desktop system, does anybody know?
[12:22] <shirish> !Ichthux
[12:22] <shirish> ah ok, scratch that query then
[12:42] <Pretto> no one ???
[12:47] <shirish> Pretto: its not in the depends of ubuntu-desktop
[12:48] <shirish> Pretto: its a good tool, has some irritations, basically finds out obsolete packages in the system.
[12:48] <shirish> Pretto: before it was difficult to find that
[12:49] <d-b> nice work on the new background in 8.10 tho.
[12:51] <Pretto> shirish, but update manager is intended to show only updates available for installed packages
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Pretto: recommends are installed by default now - packages that give extra functionality to the packages  you have installed, but you can remove.
[12:52] <Hobbsee> or, extra dependancies to packages
[12:52] <Pretto> Hobbsee, I didn't know that... but i know that you could  remove
[12:53] <Pretto> but i didnt know that recommeds are installed by default
[12:53] <Pretto> anyway, not installed, offered, because if the user take a look at the list they will be able to not install it
[12:59] <d-b> as the fix for networking-manager to work with static ips in /etc/network/interfaces been applied yet ?
[12:59] <d-b> has*
[13:20] <OzoNe> Hi, someone is having problems while trying to play .mp3 files with phonon apps (dragonplayer, amarok 2, juk), after the last upgrade? I can't play .mp3 files now :( , but yes other files like .m4a. Any hint?
[13:24] <KRF> OzoNe, works for me. just updated
[13:25] <OzoNe> In the last update, aptitude installed a new update for kernel, I rebooted and after reboot, I can't play mp3's with kde apps, but yes with VLC for example
[13:26] <OzoNe> I reinstalled mp3 libs, phonon... but I can't get it working
[13:33] <histo> Anyone been able to get the screen saver to activate?
[13:46] <OzoNe> how can I report a bug for kubuntu intrepid?
[13:48] <charlie-tca> !bug
[13:48] <d-b> ooo only oo.o 2.4
[13:48] <OzoNe> thanks
[13:50] <v6lur> hi. can i upgrade to kubuntu intrepid (from hardy), but keep kde3?
[13:52] <v6lur> how "safe" would it be to 's/hardy/intrepid/' on sources.list, and then pick packages to update one by one?
[14:12] <mib_tvm1bc> hey hello!
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[14:14] <maek0> !th | mib_tvm1bc
[14:14] <mib_tvm1bc> pls help ubottu
[14:15] <maek0> wtf is that weird language ??
[14:15] <mib_tvm1bc> its Mali maek0
[14:15] <mib_tvm1bc> its beautiful
[14:16] <mib_tvm1bc> Ó┤ÅÓ┤ŻÓĄŹÓ┤ŻÓ┤┐ÓĄŹŌĆŹÓ┤Ģ so to speak
[14:16] <maek0> oh well I think one of the rules is to speak english or join one of the location ubuntu irc channels
[14:16] <maek0> but I doubt there is one for Mali
[14:16] <mib_tvm1bc> i am speaking english
[14:16] <mib_tvm1bc> see?
[14:16] <mib_tvm1bc> pls help
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[14:17] <maek0> ÓĄüÓ┤© <<--- doesn't look like English to me
[14:17] <mib_tvm1bc> beautiful
[14:17] <mib_tvm1bc> ...Ó┤ĄÓ┤┐Ó┤¤Ó┤ŠÓ┤ĄÓĄüÓ┤©ÓĄŹÓ┤©Ó┤żÓ┤ŠÓ┤ŻÓĄŹ., or english: hello, i encounter the following problem: i boot the 8.10 cd but it stops at BLUETOOTH CONFIGURATION. then nothing goes on. i changed to some other tty and tried 'startx'. it kinda worked but got some errors. when i shutdown -r now it SITLL STOPS AT BLUETOOTH CONFIG. what could i do and why is this so?
[14:17] <mib_tvm1bc> didnt that come through?
[14:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> mib_tvm1bc, you could blacklist the bluetooth module
[14:18] <mib_tvm1bc> how would i do that
[14:18] <mib_tvm1bc> and why does it stop in the first place
[14:18] <mib_tvm1bc> i dont even have one
[14:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> wait, hmm, have you checked the cd integrity?
[14:21] <mib_tvm1bc> Supersaiyan_IV: whats that
[14:21] <mib_tvm1bc> i mean, yeah, i verified after burning
[14:22] <mib_tvm1bc> also the img md5 matched the public one
[14:22] <robin0800> Supersaiyan_IV: I think bluetooth causes more trouble than its worth why don't they leave as an option after install
[14:22] <mib_tvm1bc> hate it
[14:22] <mib_tvm1bc> how could i make my interbrid boot anyways?
[14:22] <mib_tvm1bc> intrepid*
[14:25] <mib_tvm1bc> hey
[14:26] <robin0800> mib_tvm1bc: you could hit escape at start up and choose a repair option or use your cd at boot again choose repair option
[14:27] <mib_tvm1bc> hey robin0800 i want the full system tho!
[14:27] <mib_tvm1bc> what is this shit honestly? how could i disable this fuckin bluetooth that i dont even own
[14:28] <trigpin> mib_tvm1bc,  to black list bluethooth http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2007/11/24/disable-bluetooth-on-ubuntu-710/
[14:28] <lach> Hi, anyone here with synaptics touchpads with activate/deactivate buttons?
[14:28] <trigpin> it s tut for 7.10 but doute it changed
[14:30] <lach> Mine spits out lots of "=" characters when i deactivate and activate again.
[14:30] <mib_tvm1bc> thank you trigpin
[14:30] <mib_tvm1bc> hey buts the install cd trigpin
[14:30] <mib_tvm1bc> i cant even install it!
[14:32] <mib_tvm1bc> what could i do trigpin
[14:35] <lach> Kind of an anoying bug ... Am I the only one with this?
[14:35] <trigpin> mib_tvm1bc, try disbaling in bios
[14:35] <mib_tvm1bc> trigpin: i have no bluetooth. but ubuntu thinks so
[14:35] <mib_tvm1bc> and stops
[14:35] <mib_tvm1bc> while booting
[14:35] <mib_tvm1bc> what could i do to let ubuntu know i dont need this shit
[14:36] <charlie-tca> !language
[14:36] <trigpin> when you computer starts there normaly an option ( bios ) with key F12 or different
[14:36] <mib_tvm1bc> trigpin: this doesnt make any sense tho
[14:36] <mib_tvm1bc> since ubuntu does it
[14:36] <mib_tvm1bc> not my machine
[14:37] <mib_tvm1bc> i have no bluetooth in my machine
[14:37] <mib_tvm1bc> nothing to disable/enable
[14:38] <lach> mib_tvm1bc: Maybe try and blacklist the bluetooth drivers somewhere in /etc/modprobe.d/ ???
[14:39] <mib_tvm1bc> lach: how would i do this, it is the install cd!
[14:40] <lach> mib_tvm1bc: ah....i see...
[14:41] <mib_tvm1bc> hate it
[14:41] <emma> Hey guys I'm concerned about something in intrepid that could affect a lot of people.
[14:41] <emma> First there was no driver for the new X for people using ATI.
[14:41] <mib_tvm1bc> tell us emma
[14:42] <mib_tvm1bc> it sucks btw that i just cant enable the bluetooth support
[14:42] <mib_tvm1bc> hate it
[14:42] <mib_tvm1bc> just stops while booting
[14:42] <mib_tvm1bc> (install cd)
[14:42] <emma> Now it seems like ubuntu has put an amd/ati driver in that has not been released, and it's not working.
[14:42] <mib_tvm1bc> any ideas emma?
[14:42] <mib_tvm1bc> disable*
[14:43] <lach> Anyone has any ideas for my touchpad bug?
[14:43] <s0u][ight> lach, what's the problem?
[14:43] <mib_tvm1bc> emma will you help us?
[14:43] <emma> how?
[14:43] <wgrant> lach: Which touchpad bug? I'm largely maintaining the driver and config stuff now.
[14:43] <mib_tvm1bc> what could i do emma
[14:44] <emma> is mib_tvm1bc a bot?
[14:44] <wgrant> !doesn't work | emma
[14:44] <mib_tvm1bc> emma dont be silly
[14:44] <s0u][ight> wgrant, if you are a maintainer: i have kind of 2 touchpads on my laptop (one normal and one existing of media keys ) familiar with those?
[14:44] <mib_tvm1bc> girls..
[14:45] <emma> wgrant: when i use system > administration > hardware drivers to install the fglrx driver, it does do the install, but then when I restart the computer, the monitor says, 'resolution frequency too high'
[14:45] <wgrant> emma: It works for most people. File a bug.
[14:45] <mib_tvm1bc> what could i do guys? problem, cant blacklist the module since its the install cd. what now?
[14:45] <lach> wgrant: my touchpad has a activate/deactivate button. It works but when I reactivate it it spits out [14:45] <wgrant> s0u][ight: "one existing of media keys"?
[14:45] <emma> !wfm | wgrant
[14:46] <wgrant> lach: Please run xev, give it focus, hit the buttons, and see what it says.
[14:46] <s0u][ight> wgrant, hmm how can i explain you... sec. i'll look up a good picture
[14:46] <wgrant> emma: I'm quite aware, but to say that the driver doesn't work is exaggerating. File a bug.
[14:46] <trigpin> mib_tvm1bc,  il ask in ubuntu ..
[14:46] <mib_tvm1bc> trigpin: they pointed me over here
[14:47] <emma> okay, i was just hitting you with a !wfm since you hit me with a !doesn't work
[14:47] <emma> :P
[14:48] <s0u][ight> wgrant, http://tech2.in.com/media/images/2008/Feb/img_47811_acer_aspire_5920_7.jpg the media keys on the right
[14:48] <wgrant> I have been dealing with 64-bit-unsafe X components all day, and you made a mildly useless "doesn't work" statement.
[14:48] <mib_tvm1bc> no quit it emma
[14:48] <myk_robinson> morning :)
[14:48] <emma> No worries.
[14:48] <wgrant> sorush20: ... that's a touchpad!?
[14:48] <s0u][ight> wgrant, it's s0u][ight :P
[14:49]  * wgrant hits irssi.
[14:49] <s0u][ight> and yeah i've read that it can be used with syntapics driver but never managed to get it working
[14:49] <wgrant> s0u][ight: Please pastebin the output of 'xinput list'.
[14:50] <cs_student> How do I just restart x?
[14:50] <wgrant> cs_student: Log out and in again.
[14:50] <s0u][ight> wgrant, here http://pastebin.com/m735e0c12
[14:50] <lach> wgrant: keypress and keyrelease events
[14:50] <s0u][ight> cs_student, ctrl alt backspace
[14:51] <cs_student> Anyone here have dual-screens?
[14:52] <cs_student> I'm trying to set it up with nvidia-settings but it keeps on crashing.
[14:52] <wgrant> s0u][ight: You appear to have a Synaptics InputDevice section in your xorg.conf. You shouldn't any more, as the dist-upgrader comments it out. Remove InputDevice sections and relist.
[14:52] <s0u][ight> wgrant, what?
[14:53] <wgrant> s0u][ight: That xinput output reveals that you have legacy xorg.conf-based touchpad configuration. Things will generally work better if you remove that.
[14:54] <s0u][ight> just removing xorg.conf?
[14:54] <myk_robinson> i am having trouble playing dvds. I have libdvdcss, libdvdread and libdvdnav installed, but Totem just sits there. Any adivce?
[14:54] <wgrant> s0u][ight: In most cases you should be able to just remove xorg.conf, unless you have strange tablet input devices or use fglrx or nvidia.
[14:55] <s0u][ight> wgrant, i have an nvidia card :(
[14:55] <myk_robinson> getting this error in console when I launch totem from the command line to run a dvd:   http://pastebin.com/m2faa3ff0
[14:55] <wgrant> s0u][ight: Pastebin your xorg.conf.
[14:56] <s0u][ight> ok sec
[14:56] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.com/m6814742d
[14:58] <wgrant> s0u][ight: Remove or comment out those InputDevice sections, and remove the references to them from ServerLayout. Log out and in, and give me xinput list output again.
[14:58] <myk_robinson> just tried another dvd and it worked fine.. Nevermind, must just be an oddball dvd
[15:01] <myk_robinson> ummm  does Totem not support dvd menus?
[15:05] <Supersaiyan_IV> myk_robinson, try smplayer or vlc
[15:06] <s0u][ight> wgrant, i've done what you said
[15:06] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.com/m24c9514 this is what xinput list gives me
[15:06] <myk_robinson> Supersaiyan_IV: i just did totem-xine instead of gstreamer, and its working now. thanks
[15:07] <wgrant> s0u][ight: OK, so it can only see one touchpad. Pastebin lshal.
[15:07] <s0u][ight> wgrant, too big
[15:08] <wgrant> Good point.
[15:08] <s0u][ight> lshal | grep touchpad?
[15:08] <wgrant> That probably won't reveal much, but it's worth a try.
[15:09] <myk_robinson> matter of fact, that same disk that wouldnt play at all a minute ago plays fine with totem-xine
[15:09] <s0u][ight> info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.touchpad'} (string list)
[15:09] <wgrant> 'dmesg | grep input' might also work.
[15:10] <s0u][ight> http://pastebin.com/m7725105d
[15:11] <wgrant> s0u][ight: There's nothing like "input: SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad as /devices/platform/i8042/serio1/input/input5"?
[15:11] <wgrant> There should be one for each input device the kernel sees.
[15:12] <s0u][ight> wgrant, what?
[15:13] <storrgie> anyone using a linksys wmp54g card? (rt61
[15:13] <mazzen> anyone of the ubuntu-Xorg-xserver team around? release day is soon and i don't have the feeling that anyone of the ubuntu team took a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/277699
[15:13] <storrgie> mine keeps saying 'network is dissconnected'
[15:14] <wgrant> s0u][ight: dmesg and /var/log/kern.log should contain a line starting with "[timestamp here] input: " for each input device.
[15:14] <storrgie> 'the network connection has been dissconnected' (RT61 wireless card)
[15:15] <mazzen> thanks ubottu, i feel better now ;-)
[15:16] <s0u][ight> so wgrant what should i look for?
[15:16] <wgrant> s0u][ight: Do you see lines like that I mentioned?
[15:16] <s0u][ight> yeah
[15:16] <wgrant> s0u][ight: grep them all out and pastebin.
[15:16] <s0u][ight> ok
[15:18] <OzoNe> I lost mp3 support for KDE apps after the last upgrade, any hint?
[15:20] <s0u][ight> wgrant, http://pastebin.com/m1fd41a69
[15:20] <s0u][ight> got them all i think
[15:21] <s0u][ight> also to notice: the play button (touchpad) acts as scroll up
[15:21] <s0u][ight> and stop acts as scroll down :|
[15:24] <wgrant> s0u][ight: I'm surprised there isn't another Synaptics device...
[15:24] <wgrant> I'm afraid that it's almost 0130 here, so I need to head to bed.
[15:24] <s0u][ight> wgrant, ok laters
[15:30] <Ayabara> I have some issues with my wireless. It "forgets" my wireless networks. Now I can't see any networks, though I can connect fine with another laptop.
[15:33] <Ayabara> is there a way I can delete all network history on my system? removing .gnonf/system/networking didn't seem to do it.
[15:40] <Ayabara> anyone?
[15:42] <minimec> Hi folks. What do you think about the new fglrx beta driver? I see a huge progress when it comes to diplaying videos. Looks like the promised gifts are working. 3D acceleration is still lousy. This is my feeling running a x1250 with the fglrx driver.
[16:14] <hmuller> Hey, I'm looking for Intrepid Xubuntu instructions for setting up bluetooth mouse, any pointers?
[16:15] <Ayabara> seems both the knetwork manager and the nm-applet starts on boot-up of my system. is there a way I can recreate the default set of applications launched at boot?
[16:17] <Ayabara> adept notifier is kde, right?
[16:46] <Perun> hi all
[16:47] <Perun> are there already xen dom0 kernel pkgs for intrepid?
[17:08] <emilien> need help isntalling sound driver was here sec ago , tried bios still no work
[17:08] <emilien> anyone have any ideas ?
[17:09] <wtgee> Hmm..my VirtualBox up and disappeared, anyone else see that?
[17:09] <danbh_intrepid> how can I get eclipse to work with java 1.6?
[17:10] <Ayabara> is NewHuman the default theme for Intrepid?
[17:12] <burner> Ayabara: that'd be awesome... so far, no
[17:12] <burner> wtgee: alt+f2, VirtualBox ?
[17:12] <Ayabara> ok
[17:14] <ronny> yo
[17:14] <wtgee> burner: No, all my VBox commands are gone.
[17:14] <ronny> anyone got an idea how to use network-manager to set up ip-forwarding betwen wlan and ethernet ?
[17:15] <wtgee> burner: I usually start them via the command line (VBoxHeadless)
[17:16] <wtgee> burner: My .VirtualBox dir is still there thankfully.  I am backing it up right now and then going to reinstall.  Weird though.
[17:18] <emilien> need help installing sound card intergrated in to motherboard here lscpi and aplay -l , have windows sound driver, course no linux  =(
[17:19] <emilien> http://pastebin.com/m56b6c20
[17:39] <|neon|> does 8.10 comes with kcontrol?
[17:41] <|neon|> ?
[17:52] <td123> |neon|: dunno
[17:52] <td123> what is kcontrol?
[17:58] <Oric> so quiet
[18:04] <milos_> wazzaaa :)
[18:08] <amikrop> Hello. Please, let me make a suggestion. You could make System -> Preferences -> Appearence -> Fonts -> Details -> Hinting, to be "None" by default. It makes everything look just more beautiful. :-)
[18:09] <wtgee> amikrop: Actually, 'Slight' looks far better on mine.
[18:10] <scientus_> where are the keys kept for seahorse and how do i access them from another install etc???
[18:10] <scientus_> there is no man page and the docs suck
[18:12] <amikrop> wtgee: OK, 'Slight' looks nice, too. 'Full' is crappy, though.
[18:13] <amikrop> 'None' or 'Slight' for default, would be good, I think.
[18:45] <khxyrjugxz> Cyaoo a tutti!!
[18:52] <dudumomo> hi
[19:00] <dudumomo> ...Still the same problem with intrepid on my laptop...
[19:01] <jmod_> and what problem would that be?
[19:01] <dudumomo> If I listen or watch music, movie....After a couple of minutes (More or less) my laptop freeze
[19:01] <dudumomo> And I need to restart
[19:02] <dudumomo> the alpha was like that...and I have reinstalled the beta ...still the same
[19:02] <dudumomo> I don't know why...
[19:03] <amikrop> Hello. Where can I download the Wall-Light Theme, from?
[19:03] <Plz> I`ve seen toans of tv-series here without freezing.
[19:03] <vita_> Hi all.
[19:03] <dudumomo> hi vita
[19:05] <jmod_> yeah I haven't experianced that problem, so your have is this problem on a fresh install?
[19:06] <secret901> I upgraded to Ibex and now I'm having trouble running zsnes.  It's not finding any mouse and the error is "buffer overflow"
[19:06] <secret901> anyone having trouble running zsnes in Ibex?
[19:06] <trigpin> need help installing my sound driver ALi Corporation M5455 PCI AC-Link Controller Audio Device (rev 20)
[19:09] <kane77> I guess time came for me tu install intrepid on my desktop
[19:10] <kane77> this time I'm going for clean install, since I need to clean the / partition..
[19:14] <secret901> Anyone having trouble running zsnes with Ibex?
[19:17] <trigpin> need help  with sound card http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5988865#post5988865 ubuntu ibex
[19:20] <bsnider> you're wrong to say that it's unusual that sound chips are integrated. all boards have integrated sound chips
[19:21] <Plz> Where to download Wall-Light theme?
[19:21] <Plz> I`ve searched on google like crazy..
[19:22] <bsnider> never heard of it
[19:22] <Plz> On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Wall-light there is not a download link.
[19:22] <Plz> Not on http://willwill100.deviantart.com/art/Interpid-Ibex-Mockup-Part-2-93584910 either.
[19:25] <bsnider> hahahaa, linus stomped on dave airlie again. that guy just can't win.
[19:29] <bsnider> airlie tried merging gem, and it produced warnings on linus's system, so linus stomped on him. anholdt said the problem is no one writing gem is using the 64-bit build of their distro. keith packard explained that they haven't changed yet because they're "lazy"
[19:30] <trigpin> bsnider, didn't know always though you added them later
[19:32] <bsnider> you _can_ add expansion sound cards later, although with highly questionable benefits and a 90% chance they won't have any linux support at all
[19:33] <trigpin> bsnider, i have a feeling i have 2 sound card for some reason
[19:33] <bsnider> obviously that would be a concern, although pulseaudio can combine them into one virtual device
[19:34] <crimsun> trigpin: run the alsa-info.sh script
[19:34] <crimsun> http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh   <-- save and run as a bash script
[19:34] <trigpin> thanks will do
[19:34] <crimsun> I'm out for about 30 mins, but I'll look when I return
[19:35] <bsnider> trigpin, your lspci shows you have one sound chip only
[19:37] <trigpin> bsnider,  ah thanks ,  found this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=317061
[19:37] <trigpin> bsnider, same card as mine
[19:37] <trigpin> bsnider,  will work with ubutnu .10 you think ?
[19:37] <bsnider> yes
[19:38] <trigpin> ok =)
[19:38] <bsnider> although that board is a piece of garbage
[19:39] <bsnider> instead of using mostly intel stuff, it uses amd/nvidia
[19:41] <bsnider> use the info in post #2
[19:41] <bsnider> instructions i mean
[19:48] <KareemK> hi, does anyone else get segfault while playing ETQW on intrepid?
[19:49] <Jaffarkelshac> i have some rmvb video files, is there a software to combine it into 1 video file
[19:49] <bsnider> i'd fire it up, but i'm lazy
[19:49] <KareemK> bsnider: well they occur somewhere between a map starting and 5 minutes into the map
[19:50] <bsnider> what graphics driver?
[19:50] <KareemK> nvidia
[19:51] <KareemK> 177 i think
[19:52] <reaby> anybody knows if bug #259945 gets fixed to final intrepid, i mean it's with low importance but end users may find it as unfinished product
[19:57] <bsnider> KareemK, it works fine here
[19:57] <bsnider> i guess i didn't wait the full 5 minutes though
[19:58] <KareemK> well the crash would be noticable ,, it only happened 5 mins into it once for me
[19:58] <KareemK> most of the time it happens in first minute
[19:58] <bsnider> guess it must just be you then
[19:58] <bsnider> did you download that update they wanted? because i skipped it
[19:58] <KareemK> 1.5?
[19:58] <bsnider> i don't know
[19:59] <bsnider> i'm not really serious about playing it
[19:59] <KareemK> well i've been playing on 1.5 since hardy
[20:01] <Mersault> I'm trying to get transmission-daemon and clutch working on my Intrepid server install, but the clutch init script wont start transmission-daemon correctly. Anyone else tried this?
[20:07] <Ayabara> alsamixer on my intrepid only shows one slider, called "Master", and says PulseAudio on both Card and Chip. Is this good?
[20:07] <Ayabara> the gnome volume applet still shows Master, Headphone, PCM
[20:09] <bsnider> that's fine
[20:11] <Teisei> Anyone else getting "the file doesn't exist" error when trying to change display picture or send a file, with aMSN ?
[20:12] <bsnider> try using emesene
[20:13] <Teisei> bsnider: If it supports webcam and hand drawing then I try
[20:13] <Teisei> Does it ?
[20:13] <bronzewalla84> im unable to get my headphone jack to work, sound comes out the internal speakers fine, but i'd rather have the headphone jack working (laptop speakers are junk)
[20:13] <bsnider> i don't know
[20:13] <Teisei> Let's see
[20:16] <Dannilion> does anyone know how to access the kde 4 system settings? It's not in the application menu, and I can't figure out how to run it in the command line
[20:16] <bsnider> systemsettings
[20:17] <Dannilion> ahh, apparently it's not installed (odd)
[20:17] <Dannilion> thanks
[20:17]  * Dannilion goes and sees if there's a bug
[20:19] <outbri> bronzewalla84: are you sure your headphone volume is up? often times there is a separate slider for it.
[20:19] <bronzewalla84> yes, positive
[20:19] <outbri> bronzewalla84: not sure then.
[20:19] <bronzewalla84> i can actually hear hissing out of the port, but no real audio
[20:20] <bsnider> the headphone switch is probably not activated then
[20:20] <bronzewalla84> it is
[20:21] <bronzewalla84> you mean headphone line out right?
[20:22] <bsnider> headphone
[20:24] <croddy> hello, i am having difficulty assembling a raid 1 array on intrepid. when i first installed, it did not work, then after a number of reboots it did. now it once again does not.
[20:25] <croddy> the raid 1 array existed when i was running hardy. i did a clean install to a different partition using the alternate i386 disk.
[20:25] <croddy> when i attempt to --zero-superblock i'm told that it could not open the devices for writing. any ideas?
[20:30] <croddy> so does this channel exist only to preclude discussion of intrepid in #ubuntu?
[20:40] <smil3y> !intrepid
[20:57] <davismj> after loading up ecryptfs-utils and making a private directory/mount i decided i didn't want to use it and tried to unmount, but i couldn't. there was no /.ecryptfs in /mnt/ and right clicking the Private on my desktop indicated that I needed to be root...so how do i get rid of the private folder/mount on my desktop
[21:08] <crashsystems> @davismj I'd bet that it was mounted in /media
[21:08] <davismj> crashsystems: neg
[21:08] <crashsystems> hmm, interesting
[21:10] <crashsystems> did you try ecryptfs-umount-private
[21:10] <crashsystems> ?
[21:12] <davismj> ya i believe so
[21:13] <crashsystems> What about ecryptfs-zombie-kill? It looks like it might be what you need.
[21:14] <davismj> neg
[21:14] <davismj> no message or anything for that
[21:15] <crashsystems> hmm, strange. did you try running it with root?
[21:15] <davismj> lol
[21:15] <davismj> no
[21:15] <davismj> "fopen: no such file or directory" is the response to umount-private
[21:16] <crashsystems> I'd check launchpad to see if anyone has reported a similar problem. Personally I am much more familiar with Truecrypt
[21:16] <davismj> well
[21:16] <davismj> actually
[21:17] <davismj> i just unmounted private
[21:17] <davismj> but the folder is still there
[21:17] <crashsystems> yeah, that is normal
[21:17] <crashsystems> there should be a link in that folder for re-mounting the private directory
[21:18] <crashsystems> The actual encrypted data is stored in $HOME/.Private
[21:19] <davismj> yea i mounted it
[21:19] <davismj> the problem is deleting it though
[21:19] <crashsystems> well, with it unmounted, "sudo rm -R Private .Private" should work
[21:20] <davismj> wow
[21:20] <davismj> i feel stupid
[21:20] <davismj> thanks crashsystems
[21:20] <crashsystems> also, take a look in .ecryptfs
[21:20] <crashsystems> yw
[21:20] <davismj> okay i have a few files in there, they're safe to remove ya?
[21:21] <crashsystems> I believe so. they are probably created the first time you invoke the private directory maker thing
[21:22] <reaby> does somebody know, how come some non-hwmix capable soundcards gets dmix or similar funcion in alsa under ubuntu and others don't. for example my integrated ac97 works with multiple sources, but audigy se doesn't unless i use pulseaudio? why dmix isn't enabled by default in ubuntu?
[21:23] <crashsystems> I have no clue reaby
[21:23] <reaby> I either
[21:23] <reaby> but if somebody knows...
[21:24] <reaby> i know, hard question. i tried to find answers by googling, but didn't find right keywords
[21:27] <reaby> debian ships dmix by default in alsa configs, maybe ubuntu should do same, many people in our loco forum (finland) asks again and again why multiple sounds aren't working for them
[21:28] <crashsystems> I know that sound mixing has been working rather well for me.
[21:28] <reaby> i had problems with audigy se.
[21:28] <reaby> had to make .asoundrc default to pulse and make pulse default output device
[21:29] <reaby> and disable ac97 from bios, as i didn't find a way how to default all sound sources to audigy, randomly some sources defaulted to ac97
[21:30] <reaby> that fixed my sound problems :)
[21:31] <crashsystems> cool
[21:32] <reaby> but to newbie that isn't easy
[21:34] <FFForever> i am using the daily live cd and for some reason it says no screen found what gives?
[21:34] <crashsystems> true. I think for noobs the best idea is to ether get ubuntu pre-installed, or have a geek do it for them.
[21:34] <crashsystems> @FFForever what graphics card do you have?
[21:34] <FFForever> nvidia
[21:34] <crashsystems> hmm, do you have the nvidia binary blob installed?
[21:35] <FFForever> i was using the live cd... (daily)
[21:35] <reaby> FFForever: did it work earlier ?
[21:36] <FFForever> nope
[21:36] <reaby> i mean some CRT-monitors doesn't send DDC to xorg that that's causing problems.
[21:36] <FFForever> but the normal ubuntu works....
[21:36] <FFForever> i am on a laptop :(
[21:36] <reaby> ach
[21:36] <FFForever> i use the 32bit on my 64bit cpu :D
[21:36] <crashsystems> are you getting any sort of error message?
[21:37] <FFForever> lemme reboot into the cd again
[21:37] <crashsystems> ok
[21:39] <FFForever> nvm now it just froze at boot
[21:39] <crashsystems> nvm?
[21:39] <FFForever> the slider stopped moving and the cd is not spinning...
[21:39] <FFForever> (never mind...)
[21:39] <crashsystems> I really hate CD drives
[21:39] <crashsystems> booting from usb is so much nicer (and faster)
[21:40] <FFForever> if i hold ctrl the bar moves....
[21:40] <FFForever> and cd spins...
[21:41] <WelshDragon> Just out of interest, Approximately how long is it after intrepid (or any version) is released, that the repositories are available to be used in your sources.list for the next version?
[21:41] <crashsystems> you mean, for intrepid+1?
[21:41] <BWM> hey all.
[21:42] <FFForever> it says (EE) No devices detected
[21:42] <BWM> I'm having an issue with Intrepid, I just installed it on my Macbook Pro in place of Linux Mint, which died.
[21:42] <WelshDragon> Well no, How long would it be until the jaunty repos are created?
[21:42] <FFForever> run in low graphics mode?
[21:42] <crashsystems> @WelshDragon I woulden't know
[21:42] <BWM> I'm not using a swap partition as I have no space left on the drive, but other then that everything is standard. 10GB partition formatted in ext3.
[21:42] <FFForever> who names the ubuntu releases?
[21:42] <BWM> I can't connect to the wireless. My network uses a wep key, and I know the key is right.
[21:43] <BWM> But both of the options 40/128 and 128-passphrase don't work.
[21:43] <crashsystems> @BWM If you don't have free space on your drive, that might cause problems
[21:43] <BWM> They connect, and connect, and connect... and then it dies.
[21:43] <BWM> Well, I do, but it's in an HFS+ file system.
[21:43] <BWM> GParted won't do it
[21:43] <BWM> and parted tossed me an error after taking over two hours to chop off 4gigs and resize.
[21:43] <bsnider> trying to install on a crackbook?
[21:43] <BWM> But that's not the problem; before I do anything like that I need to get my wireless up and running
[21:43] <FFForever> low graphics mode works but whats that mean?
[21:44] <BWM> Macbook (heart my Macbook), and yes
[21:44] <BWM> Pro, about a year and a half old, so second generation.
[21:44] <BWM> Everything else works perfectly, but that doesn't mean much if I can't get the Internet XD
[21:44] <BWM> Fortunately, I have this laptop I'm using now, which runs Puppy
[21:44] <bsnider> why aren't you satisfied with the excellent macosx?
[21:44] <reaby> FFForever: well. for instance you get no 3d
[21:45] <FFForever> osx ftw!
[21:45] <BWM> I don't like OS X or Windows.
[21:45] <BWM> (though OS X is better and also rox ur sox)
[21:45] <crashsystems> @BWM Are you sure that it is automatically selecting the right encryption mode?
[21:45] <BWM> But I have both, and I need Linux
[21:45] <BWM> No, but I've tried all the avaliable options
[21:45] <BWM> there's only two
[21:45] <BWM> (and WPA, which we don't use, and LEAP, which also we don't use)
[21:45] <BWM> (so I know it must be either 40/128 bit encryption or the passphrase)
[21:46] <bsnider> what wifi chip is it?
[21:46] <BWM> But usually, I select something like 40/128 bit hex
[21:46] <crashsystems> @BWM run "tail -f /var/log/syslog" while it is trying to connect, and that might give you some useful info.
[21:46] <BWM> The default that comes with a MBP
[21:46] <BWM> kk, hold on
[21:46] <crashsystems> airport extreme
[21:47] <bsnider> run the lspci command and look for the wifi chip info
[21:47] <BWM> says connected...
[21:47] <BWM> then says it timed out...
[21:48] <crashsystems> is it not receiving a DHCP assignment?
[21:48] <BWM> died at 'could not get ip configuration for auto connection to [my SSID]'
[21:48] <crashsystems> it would sound like your problem is in the realm of DHCP then
[21:48] <BWM> and it brought the secrets required box up again
[21:49] <BWM> huh
[21:49] <BWM> well, my router does have issues
[21:49] <BWM> with that
[21:49] <BWM> where it randomly doesn't give people IP addresses
[21:49] <crashsystems> that is probably it then. is there another wifi network you can test on?
[21:49] <BWM> but usually when that happens every computer on the network goes offline
[21:49] <BWM> No.
[21:49] <BWM> Not at the moment.
[21:49] <BWM> But I can tell you that when I boot into Windows on the same machine, everything works like clockwork.
[21:49] <BWM> Which is strange for Windows.
[21:49] <crashsystems> indeed
[21:49] <bsnider> run the lspci command and look for the wifi chip info
[21:50] <FFForever> ubuntu asked me if i wanted to format /home LOL
[21:50] <FFForever> ill pass :)
[21:50] <BWM> Again, it seems like I'm not giving it the right type of key
[21:50] <BWM> lol
[21:50] <BWM> the card is an Altheros AR5418
[21:50] <crashsystems> @BWM I could be wrong, but I doubt the problem is with the key
[21:50] <BWM> And is supported by the ath9k driver (I believe) in 8.10 Intrepid beta
[21:50] <bsnider> 5418
[21:51] <bsnider> i have the same thing in here. i can connect to both of hte routers here
[21:51] <BWM> I trust your judgement XD
[21:51] <BWM> right.
[21:51] <BWM> So maybe it is a router thing, but I dunno how to find out.
[21:51] <BWM> In Mac, when I have this issue
[21:51] <bsnider> but i cannot connect to a wireless-n router at this pount
[21:51] <crashsystems> test on a different network
[21:51] <BWM> I manually set the DHCP to 172.16.1.[30-40]
[21:51] <BWM> and it works
[21:51] <BWM> Can I do that in Ubuntu somehow?
[21:52] <crashsystems> yep
[21:52] <bsnider> there is a bug for this already
[21:52] <crashsystems> @bsnider do you have a link?
[21:52] <BWM> We have 2WIRE wireless-G router I think.
[21:52] <bsnider> bug 259157
[21:53] <crashsystems> @BWM did you say that you are using the daily ISO? Or if installed, do you have the latest updates?
[21:54] <BWM> Nope, I'm using the regular beta
[21:54] <bsnider> UPDATE RIGHT NOW
[21:54] <BWM> I can't update, as I cannot connect to the internet - LOL
[21:54] <bsnider> that thing is garbage
[21:54] <bsnider> use wired
[21:54] <BWM> Update to what?
[21:54] <bsnider> to today
[21:54] <crashsystems> if you can get onto a different computer, download the daily iso
[21:54] <BWM> ..okay.
[21:54] <BWM> Yes, I can
[21:54] <BWM> but do I have to reinstall all over again x.x
[21:54] <BWM> I really don't have time to do that.
[21:55] <crashsystems> @BWM if you can connect the mac to ethernet, you can update that way
[21:55] <bsnider> you can't gett hat thing on a wired connection for a few minutes?
[21:55] <crashsystems> there are a lot of bugs in the beta iso that have already been fixed
[21:56] <BWM> No, I can't. The guy who controls the network is a little... uptight about that stuff.
[21:56] <BWM> I know, I know. Don't laugh.
[21:56] <BWM> BRB, I have an alternative - a USB router
[21:56] <crashsystems> you could try to bribe him
[21:56] <bsnider> i really wish more people knew about the daily-live image. downloading the beta image and then reporting bugs that have already been fixed is galactically counter-productive
[21:57] <crashsystems> @bsnider I agree, but the ubuntu website could advertise the daily build a little better
[21:57] <AirBender> why is the link in the website not linked to the daily-live image?
[21:57] <bsnider> i have no idea
[21:57] <BWM> connecting
[21:57] <BWM> hold on
[21:57] <bsnider> it hasn't been for years
[21:57] <BWM> okay, I has connection now
[21:58] <BWM> whatchall need me to do?
[21:58] <crashsystems> run update-manager and install updates
[21:58] <crashsystems> you'll need to reboot once that is done
[21:58] <crashsystems> System/Administration/Update_Manager
[21:58] <BWM> kk
[21:59] <BWM> ...
[21:59] <BWM> your system is up to date
[21:59] <BWM> checking
[21:59] <AirBender> update the repository
[21:59] <BWM> oop
[21:59] <BWM> it found stuff... okay.
[21:59] <AirBender> you'd better do
[21:59] <crashsystems> a lot of stuff probably
[21:59] <bsnider> ubuntu should drop the idea of a"beta" release and just publicize daily snapshots instead. it would save everybody a whole lot of wasted time
[21:59] <AirBender> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade
[21:59] <BWM> I've been using Linux for a few months now. You'd think I'd know SOME of this stuff XD
[21:59] <AirBender> bsnider: I agree
[22:00] <BWM> Meh, I didn't want to switch over to the beta at all, I was going to wait the 13 days
[22:00] <BWM> but Linux called to me... it said 'Come back! What you're using is crap!'
[22:00] <crashsystems> I'm running 8.10 on my laptop, and everything is fine
[22:00] <crashsystems> nautilus tabs ftw!
[22:00] <AirBender> hehe
[22:00] <crashsystems> besides, you beat the rush that way ;)
[22:01] <BWM> some things can't be installed
[22:01] <BWM> why is that?
[22:01] <BWM> NAUTILUS TABS? Tell me about this.
[22:01] <bsnider> most of the people who have reported problems in here in the last few days have been running the crummy beta release because they didn't know about the daily-live image
[22:01] <BWM> lol, file 3 of 372
[22:01] <crashsystems> BWM Nautilus now has tabs
[22:01] <BWM> this may take a while.
[22:01] <BWM> ooh
[22:01] <crashsystems> BWM run the update again after you've rebooted
[22:01] <BWM> tabs is niiiic
[22:01] <BWM> e
[22:01] <BWM> yes, I just found that
[22:01] <BWM> :P
[22:01] <BWM> I shall do so.
[22:02] <BWM> Hmm
[22:02] <bsnider> there are a whole bunch of network-manager and kernel updates that will likely fix the ath9k issue
[22:02] <BWM> I didn't think I would like ubuntu over mint.. but... taaaaaaaabs.
[22:02] <BWM> Well, I does has internets now, so I will be okaiy for a bit.
[22:02] <crashsystems> Mint will have tabs soon too, as it is based on ubuntu
[22:02] <BWM> hm m
[22:02] <BWM> I want a new background though XD
[22:02] <crashsystems> you'll get it with the updates
[22:03] <BWM> Something orange. With pumpkins.
[22:03] <AirBender> btw what's the default gnome theme now?
[22:03] <BWM> And maybe some trees.
[22:03] <BWM> Hmm? I dunno, that orange 'human' one.
[22:03] <crashsystems> Debian -> Ubuntu -> Mint. One layer of abstraction is enough for me.
[22:03] <AirBender> uhmm
[22:03] <AirBender> because there was a new-human
[22:03] <AirBender> really cool
[22:03] <AirBender> but now it's called dark room
[22:03] <crashsystems> human evolved, lol
[22:04] <AirBender> didn't know about mint
[22:05] <crashsystems> I know that Mint does not have a reliable way to update from one release to another, which is a big turn off for me.
[22:05] <AirBender> sure
[22:05] <BWM> what's the cp command to copy all files of a certain type?
[22:05] <BWM> I like mint because it has codecs
[22:05] <BWM> I have to install them all for Ubuntu
[22:06] <BWM> Is there a codecpack of some sort that lets me do that all at once? I heard of such a thing.
[22:06] <crashsystems> cp *.bmp /dir/*.bmp
[22:06] <crashsystems> http://medibuntu.org/
[22:07] <crashsystems> then once you have gone through their simple instructions, "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras w32codecs libdvdcss2"
[22:07] <BWM> kk
[22:07] <BWM> how do I show my Computer/home folder on the desktop again?
[22:07] <crashsystems> not sure about that
[22:08] <AirBender> make a symlink
[22:08] <AirBender> may be
[22:08] <crashsystems> I've just set a key on my keyboard to open the home folder
[22:08] <crashsystems> the win key works well for that
[22:09] <AirBender> I use it for screenshot and zoom plugin
[22:12] <BWM> maybe.
[22:12] <BWM> But if I hit it accidentally.
[22:12] <crashsystems> prior to the 8.10 upgrade, I had it mapped to lock screen. that seems not to work any more though
[22:13] <BWM> meh
[22:13] <BWM> when the full 8.10 comes out ,can  I update without reinstalling?
[22:13] <AirBender> you always can do that
[22:13] <crashsystems> you can do so then and now
[22:17] <BWM> The only thing I don't like about the bar @top is that sometimes when Firefox starts it gets 'caught' up there.
[22:18] <crashsystems> what do you mean?
[22:18] <BWM> the window bar @ the top of the firefox window
[22:18] <BWM> is stuck underneath the menu bae
[22:18] <crashsystems> hold down the alt key and drag down on the window
[22:18] <BWM> I have to move the window from the bar below in order to resize it
[22:18] <BWM> heh, that's useful
[22:19] <crashsystems> yep
[22:19] <BWM> One of these days I'll learn how to use vim too XD
[22:19] <crashsystems> I've never learned that, and I've been using linux for just over 3 years
[22:19] <BWM> Actually, I do know a couple of things, like saving and stuff. I had to when my mint died so I could edit my fstab
[22:19] <BWM> lol
[22:19] <BWM> tsk, tsk.
[22:19] <BWM> And here I thought you were a guru.
[22:19] <BWM> XD
[22:19] <crashsystems> gedit is my fav, which means I am rather lame
[22:19] <crashsystems> nano if I am on the cli
[22:20] <crashsystems> I do use tones of plugins in gedit though
[22:21] <AirBender> with a few clicks gedit gets really acceptable
[22:22] <AirBender> there is a really good pdf manual of Vim in their official website
[22:22] <AirBender> really useful and well explained
[22:22] <AirBender> using it you can improve your Vim level pretty fast and take the advantages of it quickly
[22:23] <crashsystems> vim level? is this some sort of rpg? ;)
[22:23] <AirBender> lol
[22:23] <AirBender> Vim knowledge level ?
[22:24] <crashsystems> you may have a high vim level, but I've been working on my archery and spell casting!
[22:24] <AirBender> haha lol
[22:25] <AirBender> the good thing is... you cand have a low level of Vim knowledge, but still feel it's a lot more useful than the other editors
[22:26] <AirBender> that's my case
[22:26] <AirBender> especially if you use gvim
[22:29] <sorush20> hi
[22:29] <sorush20> is any one using usenext?
[22:29] <crashsystems> nope
[22:30] <sorush20> how would you configure it to run behind a proxy
[22:35] <noam> hello, i have a problem with sound in flash
[22:36] <noam> actually, i have a problem with lack of sound in flash
[22:36] <bsnider> i'll do my best to help you, prof. chomsky
[22:37] <noam> and i probably have a problem with lack of sound in amarok as well, unless the "Amarok 1.4 Welcome" file is 14 seconds of noise
[22:37] <noam> but curiously enough, the shutdown and boot sounds work fine
[22:37] <noam> bsnider: thank you, but that is not me :)
[22:38] <bsnider> oh, well then forget it. i only help mit professors
[22:38] <noam> 14 seconds of silence, i meant
[22:38] <BWM> well, it's all done. Restarting.
[22:38] <BWM> also, my background did change - though I don't remember approving that ;)
[22:39] <BWM> heh,heh,refit.
[22:39] <reaby> noam: do you have integrated soundcard in your system
[22:39] <noam> yup
[22:39] <reaby> did you upgrade this evening intrepid ?
[22:39] <noam> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[22:39] <noam> i just installed it on a brand new computer
[22:39] <reaby> ach.
[22:39] <noam> :(
[22:39] <BWM> BTW, why does Ubuntu's channel redirect me to ubuntu-proxy-users when I don't /join manually?
[22:39] <reaby> noam: and no other sound cards ?
[22:40] <noam> that sounds bad
[22:40] <noam> i could acquire some if needed. but what is the problem?
[22:41] <crdlb> BWM: read the topic of that channel; there is a way you can get in when using mibbit
[22:41] <noam> oh i forgot to mention - it's kubuntu i installed, not ubuntu
[22:42] <BWM> I did, lol
[22:42] <BWM> just wondering why that's nessescary.
[22:42] <crdlb> abuse
[22:42] <BWM> ...wow, like bots or something x.x
[22:43] <reaby> noam: well i don't use kubuntu :( maybe some other knows, for i know sound system in kubuntu differ someway what is used in ubuntu. sorry, i don't have answer for you.
[22:43] <noam> ah. you thought pulseaudio?
[22:44] <reaby> yep
[22:44] <BWM> hmm
[22:44] <BWM> wifi still isn't working
[22:44] <BWM> from my internal card.
[22:45] <reaby> noam: for what i know, kde has it's own libraries for sound
[22:45] <reaby> noam: what should fix most of the problems
[22:46] <bsnider> isn't there a #kubuntu+1 channel?
[22:47] <noam> nope
[22:48] <BWM> @crashsystems: Still can't access my wireless network with the internal card...
[22:50] <BWM> and now my external isn't working either -.-
[22:50] <BWM> with no explanation why.
[22:52] <crashsystems> @BWM the bug report I saw said that it had ben triaged. This means that people have been assigned to the problem, and it will probably be fixed by the time 8.10 is released.
[22:52] <crashsystems> afk
[22:53] <BWM> it seems like I'm getting an error with my other router too now - "error loading '/lib/firmware/zd1211/zd1211_ub
[22:57] <BWM> it looks like the firmware is gone
[22:57] <BWM> it's not where it's supposed to be anymore
[22:57] <BWM> why would that have happened?
[22:58] <bsnider> make sure the linux-firmware package is installed
[22:58] <BWM> how?
[22:59] <bsnider> open synaptic and search for it
[23:02] <BWM> well, I found the firmware on sourceforge
[23:02] <BWM> already copied it to my laptop, we'll seeif it works.
[23:02] <crashsystems> @bwm run "sudo apt-get install linux-firmware"
[23:02] <BWM> yes it is
[23:02] <BWM> (I can't, I have no internet, remembeR)
[23:02] <BWM> XD
[23:02] <BWM> now I can do that.
[23:03] <BWM> wait... uhg
[23:03] <BWM> there we go
[23:04] <bsnider> danbh_intrepid, we got a guy in here having ath9k issues
[23:04] <danbh_intrepid> really
[23:04] <BWM> Thaaaat's me.
[23:04] <danbh_intrepid> what kind?
[23:04] <BWM> Yep, I'm causing problems :(
[23:05] <BWM> Doesn't connect. I give it the correct WEP settings, but it throws errors and doesn't connect
[23:05] <bsnider> not problems, issues
[23:05] <BWM> lol
[23:05] <BWM> Yes, we have to be polite about it :P
[23:06] <bsnider> i wonder if it would work with wicd
[23:07] <BWM> I've heard of that...
[23:07] <BWM> huh.
[23:07] <BWM> dunno.
[23:08] <danbh_intrepid> mine works even without nm now.  I can use /etc/network/interfaces, which rocks IMHO
[23:09] <danbh_intrepid> but I think that sheds doubt on wicd working, since that was about the manager having tweaks that worked around driver bugs?
[23:11] <rww> If I install the Intrepid beta, I'll be able to upgrade to Intrepid final when it comes out using apt-get, right?
[23:12] <BWM> They keep telling me that, rww, so yes, I think so XD
[23:12] <danbh_intrepid> rww: for the most part
[23:14] <bsnider> rww, don't install the beta. it is 3 weeks old now
[23:14] <bsnider> instlal the daily-live image
[23:14] <rww> bsnider: link?
[23:15] <bsnider> google daily-live and follow the second result
[23:15] <danbh_intrepid> !daily
[23:15] <danbh_intrepid> :p
[23:15] <bsnider> didn't know the bot knew about it
[23:15] <bsnider> apparently the bot knows all
[23:16] <BWM> I installed wine via sudo apt-get install wine
[23:16] <BWM> But it's v 1.0.1 when the latest is 1.1.5
[23:16] <BWM> Can I upgrade or do I need to uninstall/
[23:16] <rww> excellent, thanks everyone :D
[23:16] <bsnider> the latest is 1.0.1
[23:17] <BWM> oh, you mean stable
[23:17] <danbh_intrepid> BWM: you can upgrade
[23:17] <BWM> no, I want the dev version - which is actually 1.1.6 now that I check XD
[23:17] <bsnider> of course
[23:23] <BWM> danbh_intrepid, are you a dev or something?
[23:25] <danbh_intrepid> no
[23:26] <danbh_intrepid> bsnider and I both use the ath9k drivers for wifi, so we chat about that occasionally
[23:26] <BWM> aah
[23:26] <BWM> kk.
[23:27] <BWM> he acted like you were supposed to know :P
[23:27] <bsnider> BWM, why did you not want to use the macosx again?
[23:27] <BWM> so I figured you might have had something more to do with ubuntu
[23:27] <BWM> It wasn't efficient enough for me, and there weren't enough options
[23:27] <BWM> don't get me wrong, it's awesome
[23:27] <BWM> but I like being able to make my OS do EXACTLY and WHATEVER I want
[23:27] <bsnider> efficient?
[23:27] <BWM> which nither OS X nor windows could do
[23:28] <BWM> for me
[23:28] <BWM> it didn't have features which I find useful.
[23:28] <BWM> linux does - after I configure it XD
[23:28] <BWM> especially wine
[23:28] <bsnider> what features did you want?
[23:28] <BWM> wine for mac, now that'd be something.
[23:28] <bsnider> there is a wine for mac
[23:28] <BWM> No customizeable GUI. Keyboards were not that customizeable.
[23:29] <BWM> THe dock was nice, but not easy to use when I needed to know what exactly was going on
[23:29] <BWM> and the update system was obnoxious
[23:29] <BWM> other then that, I liked it
[23:29] <BWM> but again, lack of compatability and flexibility
[23:29] <BWM> you get the feeling that Apple has created what they feel is the best possible model, and while it does everything very, very well
[23:30] <BWM> if you want to change what it does
[23:30] <BWM> you're in trouble.
[23:30] <BWM> that said, I do still heart my mac XD
[23:31] <bsnider> tinkertool lets you screw with a lot of gui settings ont eh macosx
[23:32] <zyrorl> hi guys
[23:32] <bsnider> what do you want to run in wine?
[23:32] <billgoldberg> Hi guys. I'm having a small problem. Ubuntu 8.10 can't seem to mount my digital camera. Ubuntu 8.4 had no problem doing so. An error pops ups saying it's unable to mount it. Any help?
[23:34] <bsnider> billgoldberg, runt he dmeg command after you see that error message. it should give some indication about what the actual problem is
[23:34] <billgoldberg> ok
[23:34] <bsnider> sorry, that was dmesg
[23:35] <billgoldberg> :p
[23:35] <bsnider> BWM, what do you want to run in wine?
[23:36] <BWM> many things
[23:36] <BWM> brb.
[23:38] <billgoldberg> dmesg. The last line reads: " usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning". Another line I found that seems related was this: " usb 1-1: usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd gvfsd-gphoto2 rqt 33 rq 102 len 0 ret -62" That doesn't mean much too me.
[23:39] <bsnider> billgoldberg, file a bug report on launchpad, sir
[23:39] <billgoldberg> ok will do
[23:44] <BWM> sorry, back.
[23:45] <BWM> yay, winedev update :P
[23:45] <BWM> updated* :)
[23:46] <billgoldberg> Ok, this is the first time I reporting a bug, they need me to specify a package. Should I give  "gvfsd-gphoto2"?
[23:49] <bsnider> sure. if you make any mistakes, they'll ask you to clarify and so on and so forth
[23:49] <billgoldberg> ok
[23:50] <csilk> What kernel version will interpid ship with?
[23:50] <bsnider> 2.6.27
[23:50] <csilk> thanks
[23:50] <Mark_Milliman> Does anyone with an Intel 82801 sound device have problems loading snd-hda-intel?
[23:51] <bsnider> Mark_Milliman, i've been seeing a lot of those kinds of problems in the past few days, but mine works perfectly
[23:52] <Mark_Milliman> bsnider, mine worked too until either the kernel image or headers updated a few days ago.
[23:52] <Mark_Milliman> My old -6 kernel works but not the -7.
[23:52] <bsnider> headers don't matter unless you're building a new driver into the kernel
[23:52] <bsnider> file a bug
[23:53] <Mark_Milliman> I have to build the nVidia drivers into the kernel when it updates
[23:53] <Mark_Milliman> I have already found three bugs related to it that are still open
[23:54] <bsnider> i'm sure that's being looked at then
[23:55] <bsnider> if "themuso" comes in here, he's the one to talk to about it
[23:55] <Mark_Milliman> I was hoping that someone here knew of a fix for the prolbme
[23:56] <Mark_Milliman> In all of my times with Ubuntu betas I have never lost major functionality for more than a few hours.
[23:56] <Mark_Milliman> I haven't had sound for 3 days now
[23:56] <Mark_Milliman> I guess I should consider myself lucky
[23:58] <bsnider> it seems unlikely that there would be a fix
[23:58] <bsnider> definitely boot the older kernel though
[23:59] <Mark_Milliman> You never know.  It could be a problem that a newer version of ALSA could fix, but it hasn't been posted yet.