[02:24] <Hobbsee> !info plasma-python-examples intrepid
[06:27] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/92653  this still occures for me in 8.10 - should I comment there / reopen or something?
[07:04] <dubski> gday.  is this the place to come to help with bugs?
[07:05] <dubski> i'd like to help.  but not sure where to start.  i have read the wiki etc.
[07:06] <LimCore> dubski: well, use software and find some bugs =)
[07:07] <greg-g> dubski: check out the topic for some good links to read, and then try to triage some bugs
[07:07] <dubski> hehe.  i have one that is quite annoying. but I think it has already been reported.
[07:07] <greg-g> come here to ask for any help you might have, we are always willing to help
[07:07] <dubski> camera not mounting via usb.
[07:08] <dubski> works in gusty.
[07:08] <dubski> Error initializing camera: -1: Unspecified error
[08:21] <thekorn> maco: re resetting the countdown: when you reboot, restart the session, ...
[08:21] <thekorn> and yes, thats a missing feature,
[08:21] <maco> ok
[08:21] <maco> cuz it's been 24 hours and still says 0 left
[08:22] <maco> and i cant be the only person with week-long sessions
[08:22] <thekorn> right, let me try to fix it
[08:23] <Hobbsee> bug 281808
[08:30] <crimsun> sigh.
[08:32] <Hobbsee> sigh?
[08:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: he's probably happy to debug it on irc, if you poked him
[08:36] <crimsun> Hobbsee: it's nearly 4 AM here, and I'm chasing a rather serious hw freeze
[08:36] <crimsun> but yes, I'll try and catch him this weekend
[08:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahh
[08:37] <Hobbsee> crimsun: good luck!
[08:37] <crimsun> jussi01: see my most recent comment in 281808, please
[08:37] <jussi01> crimsun: see mine...
[08:37] <jussi01> :D
[08:37] <crimsun> jussi01: essentially, I need to isolate nspluginwrapper as the cause
[08:39] <crimsun> jussi01: what happens if you purge flashplugin-nonfree and nspluginwrapper and use adobe-flashplugin from the partner repo?
[08:39] <jussi01> crimsun: curious thing is, you tube works fine. (should have added that to the bug I suppose)
[08:39] <jussi01> crimsun: 1 moment Ill try
[08:48] <jussi01> crimsun: some issue.
[08:48] <crimsun> "some" or "same"?
[08:49] <jussi01> same (sorry)
[08:49] <jussi01> although you tube does not work either now.
[08:51] <crimsun> jussi01: interesting.  If you purge adobe-flashplugin and reinstall flashplugin-nonfree, does the symptom remain reproducible?
[08:51] <jussi01> 1 moment while I check
[08:54] <jussi01> crimsun: no, still the same issue
[08:54] <maco> bug 284824
[08:54] <maco> they say the binding can still be set, but when you click it it doesn't do the action and instead prints ^t to the terminal
[08:54] <maco> but i cant even get the binding set
[08:55] <crimsun> jussi01: err, meaning "Yes, it's still reproducible"?
[08:56] <jussi01> crimsun: correct
[08:57] <jussi01> crimsun: if it helps, here is what I see when I open the bbc page: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20081018-105654-noflash-konq.jpg
[08:58] <crimsun> jussi01: ok, I'm a bit confused about your comments.  apachelogger asked you whether the symptom was reproducible with gtk-qt-engine UNinstalled, and the next comment has you saying that "it doesnt work with gtk-qt-engine installed", and your `apt-cache policy gtk-qt-engine' lists it as installed.  What gives?
[08:59] <jussi01> crimsun: ooops. I think perhaps I read that incorrectly ( I read installed. ) Will attempt that now. :(
[09:04] <jussi01> crimsun, my apologies for that error. however the problem is still reproduceable
[09:07] <crimsun> jussi01: meaning you logged out and back in or rebooted?
[09:08] <jussi01> crimsun: yes, I did.
[09:08] <crimsun> jussi01: ok, can you get a dump from running konqueror from Konsole?
[09:08] <jussi01> crimsun: sure, 1 moment
[09:11] <jussi01> crimsun: opened konq, clicked on my bbc sport bookmark, it loaded, here it the dump: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59189/
[09:18] <crimsun> jussi01: do other Flash applets load, too?
[09:19] <jussi01> crimsun: err, Im unsure of what you are asking. you tube works fine.
[09:21] <crimsun> jussi01: which problematic Flash sites still do not load correctly?
[09:21] <thekorn> maco: I added a daily reset of the counter, it's in bug 285359
[09:21] <jussi01> crimsun: the ones listed in the report, for instance.
[09:21] <crimsun> jussi01: so only the bbc and youtube ones do work correctly?
[09:22] <maco> thekorn: thanks
[09:22] <jussi01> crimsun: no. bbc does not work. only youtube works correctly.
[09:23] <crimsun> jussi01: and neither work at all with adobe-flashplugin instead of flashplugin-nonfree?  okay...
[09:25] <jussi01> crimsun: yeah, you tube stops working when that is installed.
[09:27] <crimsun> jussi01: ok, then we've taken it as far as I'm capable at 0430
[09:27] <jussi01> crimsun: ok. will you add to the bug report? and is there anything I should add?
[09:28] <crimsun> jussi01: please summarise all the debugging steps that we've gone through recently
[09:28] <jussi01> ok
[09:28] <jussi01> crimsun: sleep well! :)
[09:28] <crimsun> oh I'm not sleeping yet; I have other bugs to chase.
[09:35] <jussi01> crimsun: summary added
[09:36] <crimsun> jussi01: thanks
[09:36] <jussi01> :)
[12:21] <apachelogger> jussi01: in order to obtain a sensible konsole output you will need to run kdebugdialog -> select all first
[12:28] <jussi01> apachelogger: see my latest comment.
[12:34] <apachelogger> hm
[12:34] <apachelogger> jussi01: what URL were you going to?
[12:35] <jussi01> apachelogger: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/default.stm
[12:35] <apachelogger> jussi01: didn't we already find out that bbc has a broken javascript?
[12:35] <jussi01> apachelogger: no.
[12:36] <apachelogger> I seem to remember that Riddell and I were looking for javascript at the bbc :P
[12:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: riddell said something about CNN had broken javascript...
[12:36] <jussi01> not BBC
[12:36] <apachelogger> ah
[12:36] <apachelogger> true, BBC was a rendering bug with complex CSS
[12:37] <jussi01> ok, so what does all this mean? its not flash after all?
[12:37] <jussi01> its something else screwing up?
[12:37]  * jussi01 just wants to fix the bug... 
[12:38] <apachelogger> I really don't think so
[12:38] <jussi01> apachelogger: the page looked like this earlier today: http://jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20081018-105654-noflash-konq.jpg
[12:38] <apachelogger> jussi01: so?
[12:39] <jussi01> apachelogger: so its missing half the "content" (ads, but still)
[12:39] <apachelogger> ohhhhhhhhh
[12:39] <apachelogger> we block adds :P
[12:39] <jussi01> :P
[12:39] <apachelogger> for flash bugs always use youtube as testing platform
[12:40] <jussi01> right.
[12:40] <apachelogger> IIRC they even test their stuff with gnash, so it should be pretty decent flash they use
[12:42] <jussi01> ok, so what is causing this bug? and what can I do to accelerate the fix?
[12:44] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, do what you did before, but this time with youtube :P
[12:44] <apachelogger> for the record: I don't get the bug at all
[12:45] <jussi01> apachelogger: I think that maybe the op and I have different bugs... you tube works... the first video, the breaks.
[12:50] <apachelogger> jussi01: well, try removing gtk-qt... reboot ... try again ... get some konsole dump before ..... get some konsole dump after the reboot ... strace konqueror ...
[12:51] <jussi01> apachelogger: gtk-qt is not installed. youtube output is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59255/
[12:51] <jussi01> (which incidentally did not work)
[12:52] <apachelogger> (npviewer.bin:16047): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_style_detach: assertion `style->attach_count > 0' failed
[12:53] <apachelogger> might be related
[12:53] <apachelogger> jussi01: also not working after refresh?
[12:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: I didnt try, but now... no.
[12:54] <apachelogger> hm
[12:54] <apachelogger> jussi01: that is with gtk-qt-engine?
[12:55] <jussi01> gtk-qt-engine:
[12:55] <jussi01>   Installed: (none)
[12:55] <jussi01>   Candidate: 1:1.1+svn20080816-0ubuntu5
[12:56] <apachelogger> interesting
[12:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: please also get a dump with gtk-qt-engine installed+reboot
[12:56] <jussi01> ok
[12:56] <apachelogger> then we need to strace
[12:56] <apachelogger> <3 strace :D
[12:56]  * apachelogger gets a coffee
[12:57] <jussi01> brb
[13:26] <jussi01> ok, my pc is playing weird, really weird now...
[13:26] <jussi01> could be that its warm, but not sure.
[13:26] <Darkside> Hi... I'm pretty sure i've come across a bug, but i'm not sure how to go about reporting it, as nothing shows up in any of the logs, and it seems to happen at random times (though with certain conditions)
[14:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hi there, I always find that I can't browse templates in openoffice because it crashes. Can someone either confirm https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/69247 or say you don't have it? I can't believe I'm the only one
[14:30] <Le-Chuck_ITA> this is in hardy, intrepid and whatever you want
[14:31] <charlie-tca> I can say I don't have it
[14:32] <charlie-tca> I can also say I use templates weekly
[14:39] <Le-Chuck_ITA> charlie-tca is there a special package for templates? Should it be installed by default?
[14:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and what jvm are you using in ooo btw?
[14:40] <charlie-tca> Should be installed by default, as far as I know
[14:40] <charlie-tca> jvm should be 6, from the repositories
[14:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> hmm I leave it there, if someone else wants to try and see if their openoffice crashes that would be a big favour to ubuntu users
[14:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> thanks charlie-tca
[14:41] <charlie-tca> Wish I could you
[14:41] <charlie-tca> help you
[14:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have an idea: it may be related to accessibility that I have enabled
[14:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it was so years ago
[14:41] <Le-Chuck_ITA>  /logout
[14:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it IS related to accessibility
[14:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> charlie-tca: can you try with assistive technologies enabled? You would have to logout and login again
[14:43] <Le-Chuck_ITA> adding a comment to the bug report anyway
[14:44] <charlie-tca> I can't right now, but I will to see if I can confirm for you.
[14:44] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok thank you
[14:45] <charlie-tca> np
[14:46] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye
[14:52] <LimCore> after xorg crash/freeze I have a 151 megabyte Xorg.0.log.old. should I somehow post it?
[15:00] <charlie-tca> LimCore: did you file a bug report?
[15:06] <LimCore> charlie-tca: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/285298   ;  the log is 24 MB when compressed
[15:07] <charlie-tca> If it has information concerning the bug, you can attach it using comments/attach at the bottom of the launchpad screen
[16:42] <LimCore> suspend to memory fails.  report this against wht?
[16:52] <LimCore> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pm-utils/+bug/254312 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/xorg-server/+bug/67710
[17:48] <francisco_t> the bug #21192, Should it still been a duplicate? I think not
[17:49] <francisco_t> sorry, bug 211922
[17:49] <francisco_t> sorry, bug #211922
[19:38] <mrooney> If I am getting  'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)' from X11 when trying to play videos in both totem and vlc, is that an xorg issue?
[20:05] <james_w> mrooney: compiz? what graphics card?
[20:05] <mrooney> james_w: yeah, only compiz
[20:05] <mrooney> ati r350
[20:06] <mrooney> metacity works fine
[20:06] <james_w> I'm not really sure what's at fault there
[20:06] <mrooney> after finding that metacity worked I was going to file under compiz
[20:16] <mrooney> well I put it in bug 285601, didn't see any apparent duplicates
[20:18] <james_w> mrooney: does it work in metacity if you turn on the compositor?
[20:19] <mrooney> james_w: good question...
[20:21] <mrooney> james_w: now after restarting compiz after being in metacity, it works fine in compiz !
[20:23] <mrooney> so I can't really test that until I can reproduce the compiz issue, I suppose
[20:23] <mrooney> something seems to be triggering compiz to get into a state where this issue happens, perhaps until you restart it
[20:23] <mrooney> next time I will see if a restart reliably fixes it
[22:37] <wgrant> maco: Wouldn't it be a better idea to rename the icon in human-icon-theme?
[22:37] <wgrant> Rather than breaking all other themes?
[22:39] <maco> wgrant: oh i didnt think of that. applications-preferences is how it's done in hardy
[22:39] <maco> er
[22:39] <maco> applications-system
[22:40] <maco> actually, no it's gnome-system in hardy
[22:40] <maco> :-/ what a mess
[22:41] <maco> all the same icon:  applications-system, gnome-system, redhat-system-tools, xfce-system
[22:41] <maco> in hardy
[22:41] <wgrant> Ew.
[22:41] <wgrant> But we don't care about Hardy for this any more.
[22:41] <maco> right
[22:41] <maco> i was looking at it in terms of a regression
[22:42] <maco> and so trying to revert the change
[22:43] <maco> ok, i think it should be gnome-system then
[22:44] <maco> wgrant: would you agree?
[22:44] <maco> gnome-system exists in both the gnome and the Human theme
[22:45] <wgrant> Let me have a look...
[22:46] <wgrant> maco: That's just a symlink to applications-system... so maybe just add another symlink?
[22:47] <maco> from what to what?
[22:47] <maco> you mean in Human from preferences-system to applications-system?
[22:47] <maco> preferences-system, i think, is meant to refer to the preferences menu inside the system menu...which would explain the similarity of the icons
[22:48] <wgrant> Hmmm.
[22:52] <maco> wgrant: nevermind.  preferences-desktop is what's used in tangerine
[22:52] <maco> for preferences
[22:52] <wgrant> That matches what I thought the components meant. OK.
[22:54] <maco> so you think just put another symlink in human to point at applications-system from preferences-system?
[22:58] <wgrant> maco: I'd say so.
[22:58] <wgrant> There are already lots of them.
[22:58] <maco> ok, will do
[23:00] <wgrant> THanks.
[23:57] <Flare183> Anyone working on bug #229245
[23:58] <Flare183> Because I might be able to help...