[00:01] <fta> what about luke? can't he take it?
[01:30] <fta> bug 247494
[01:57] <fta> asac, to backport 1.9.0.3 to gutsy, we need to backport mozilla-devscripts >= 0.10 because of abrowser
[08:38] <gnomefreak> !channels
[09:44] <gnomefreak> damnit its still broke
[09:50] <gnomefreak> asac: you lurking yet?
[13:37] <asac> NCommander: ok lets continue here ;)
[13:38] <NCommander> neat
[13:38] <asac> NCommander: hehe. well. if you want you can uncommit and recommit with right email.
[13:38] <NCommander> ok
[13:39]  * NCommander uncommits :-P
[13:39] <asac> NCommander: dont need to. just thought that you want the right email ;)
[13:39] <asac> NCommander: ok. one nifty thing
[13:39] <asac> NCommander: the security documentation should be on top ... doesnt need to be associated with me
[13:39] <asac> e.g.
[13:40] <asac> security upload:
[13:40] <NCommander> ok
[13:40] <NCommander> Let me fix that
[13:40] <asac>  + fixed CVE
[13:40] <asac> ...
[13:40] <asac> then [whoever ]
[13:40] <asac> * changed this
[13:40] <asac> ok
[13:40] <asac> hope that cryptic thing was clear enough ;)
[13:41] <asac> NCommander: and be a bit more verbose about what you change in bzr commits
[13:41] <asac> usually a good idea is to use debcommit
[13:41] <asac> but well. not important now
[13:41] <NCommander> I already uncommited
[13:41] <NCommander> FIxing now
[13:41] <asac> in the long run changelog and commit should be like what we usually do
[13:41] <asac> * i changed this
[13:41] <asac>   - update debian/control
[13:42] <asac> * i changed that
[13:42] <asac>   - added debian/patches/supertcoolpatch
[13:42] <NCommander> Ok, recommitting :-P
[13:42] <asac> cool
[13:43] <NCommander> done
[13:43] <asac> NCommander: so how can we get someone in the maintainer keyring?
[13:43] <NCommander> Easy
[13:43] <NCommander> Person posts to debian-newmaint saying they wish to become a Debian maintainer, etc.
[13:43] <asac> NCommander: looks better. only thing not done is that you named the files touched.
[13:43] <asac> but not a hard thing
[13:43] <asac> can stay like it
[13:44] <NCommander> Sponsors reply with signed emails saying Yes, I sponsor
[13:44] <NCommander> Wait four days
[13:44] <NCommander> Done
[13:44] <asac> NCommander: what are the requirements?
[13:44] <NCommander> One sponsor
[13:44] <NCommander> No negetive feedback
[13:44] <NCommander> Signed GPG key by a debian developer
[13:44] <asac> NCommander: ok. good
[13:44] <NCommander> Yeah, its the last one that's somewhat hard
[13:44] <asac> NCommander: is there a need for a track record?
[13:44] <NCommander> nope
[13:44] <NCommander> Just an advocation
[13:45] <asac> cool
[13:45] <NCommander> YOu can only upload to packages that your an uploader and have DM-Allow-Upload, so its fairly safe
[13:45] <asac> fta_: could you send your email there?
[13:45] <NCommander> (hence the low requirements)
[13:45] <NCommander> fta_, has your key been signed by a debian developer?
[13:45] <asac> fta_: i would then do the initial upload of all the stuff you did and you can upload then to debian directly
[13:45] <asac> NCommander: oh. that needs to be done?
[13:45] <NCommander> yeah
[13:45] <NCommander> Same requirements unfortantely
[13:46] <asac> well. thats ok
[13:46] <NCommander> I can become a DM because my key been signed by a DD
[13:47] <Nafallo> self-sigs ftw? ;-)
[13:47] <asac> NCommander: yeah ... i think we should definitly do that
[13:47] <NCommander> Nafallo, no, it has to be a signature from someone in the debian-keyring
[13:47] <asac> NCommander: how far are you in the new maintinaer process?
[13:47] <asac> waiting for what?
[13:48] <asac> or is AM waiting for you?
[13:48] <NCommander> AM to finish reviewing my packages
[13:48] <NCommander> (finished T&S2)
[13:48] <asac> NCommander: how long?
[13:48] <NCommander> been about a week or two
[13:48] <asac> ok. thats not long
[13:48] <NCommander> which is anonying as hell
[13:48] <NCommander> I only have three packages!
[13:48]  * NCommander is a porter, not a packager in debian
[13:48] <asac> NCommander: well. still the AM needs a spare cycle to do that
[13:49] <asac> NCommander: who is your AM?
[13:49] <NCommander> asac, huggie
[13:49] <asac> NCommander: who is huggie?
[13:50] <asac> Nafallo: can you reproduce your "sleep" issue?
[13:50] <NCommander> asac, Simon Huggie. Xfce packager
[13:50] <asac> Nafallo: if so, please post a syslog after reproducing
[13:50] <asac> NCommander: ok. thanks
[13:50] <NCommander> asac, https://nm.debian.org/nmstatus.php?email=mcasadevall%40buildd.net
[13:50] <Nafallo> asac: oki. we'll see next week when I'm up and running again.
[13:50]  * Nafallo haven't left bed yet ;-)
[13:51] <asac> Nafallo: hah. well. next week is probably too late to do anything for release :/
[13:51] <asac> but we can try ;)
[13:51] <asac> Nafallo: are you sick? or just sleepy?
[13:51] <Nafallo> baah. I can haz PPA.
[13:51] <NCommander> asac, icedove builds
[13:51] <NCommander> yay
[13:51] <Nafallo> just sleepy
[13:51] <asac> Nafallo: ok. enjoy then.
[13:52] <asac> NCommander: ok. please test properly e.g. also that enigmail works if possible.
[13:52] <Nafallo> I need to shower, clothes, have breakfast on-the-go and end up in the store, where I can buy more stuff :-P.
[13:52] <asac> and then close changelog and look for a sponsor ;)
[13:52] <NCommander> asac, enigmail?
[13:52] <Nafallo> NCommander: gpg stuff :-)
[13:53] <asac> NCommander: enigmail is the most important extension for icedove in the archive
[13:53] <NCommander> oh fun
[13:53] <asac> NCommander: if that break, people will file RC bugs
[13:53] <asac> and will NMU
[13:53] <NCommander> YEah
[13:53] <NCommander> I'll check
[13:53] <asac> r do whatever they think is insane
[13:53] <asac> but i doubt that it breaks because of 2.0.0.17
[13:53] <NCommander> Speaking of sanity
[13:54] <asac> but having checked that helps one to decline breakage as being "uesr-fault" ;)
[13:54] <NCommander> asac, https://wiki.kubuntu.org/BzrBuildpackage - this is what I was talking about with merge mode
[14:02] <asac> fta_: ^^ i guess that makes sense for most branches
[14:02] <asac> oh. we can commit all the bzr options as it seems
[14:02] <KB1OHY> morning
[14:03] <asac> i think we should also see if we can commit quilt options ;)
[14:03] <asac> KB1OHY: hi
[14:04] <asac> NCommander: did you do the final release commit yet?
[14:04] <asac> dont see it on launchpad now
[14:04] <NCommander> What final release commit?
[14:04] <asac> and would like to push it to our "release" branch
[14:04] <NCommander> I'll propose for merging, you accept it, amd Launchpad does the merge
[14:04] <asac> NCommander: since when does launchpad the merge?
[14:04]  * NCommander is still waiting for icedove to finish building the actual debs
[14:05] <NCommander> asac, since the new GUI :-)
[14:05] <asac> NCommander: btw, its just a pull ... push
[14:05] <NCommander> asac, Well, you can make LP do it now
[14:05] <asac> NCommander: yeah i use that GUI for reviewing merges
[14:05] <asac> but havent seen that LP does the merge for me
[14:05] <NCommander> THere is a link "Queue for merging"
[14:05] <NCommander> Which does it automatically
[14:05] <asac> cool. please use it. i want to try ;)
[14:05] <NCommander> You have to use it ;-)
[14:05]  * asac wonders what launchpad does
[14:05] <NCommander> I'm not in ubuntu-mozillateam
[14:05] <NCommander> bzr merge
[14:05] <asac> NCommander: well. i could do bzr pull ... bzr push
[14:06] <NCommander> SO I commit what to the changelog?
[14:06] <asac> as there are no modifications on the mozillateam branch
[14:06]  * NCommander is somehwat lost
[14:06] <asac> NCommander: you make a dch -r -Dunstable
[14:06] <asac> NCommander: then look at bzr log
[14:06] <asac> how i committed for 2.0.0.16-1
[14:07] <asac> NCommander: * RELEASE 2.0.0.16-1 to debian/unstable
[14:07] <NCommander> done
[14:08] <asac> NCommander: already requested merge?
[14:08] <NCommander> still committing
[14:08]  * NCommander is noting his laptop is thrasing at the moment and crawling
[14:08] <asac> hehe
[14:08] <NCommander> committed
[14:09] <asac> NCommander: imo folks should try to have the same launchpad name they use on IRC :)
[14:09] <NCommander> asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sonicmctails/thunderbird/iceweasel-2.0.0.17/+merge/1343
[14:09] <asac> i always have problems to find users :(
[14:09] <NCommander> Yeah, well, I'm non-confirmist
[14:09] <asac> but probably i just miss a launchpad feature to properly searc for irc nicks
[14:09] <Nafallo> asac: you love me then :-)
[14:10] <asac> Nafallo: do yo uhave a launchpad account at all ;)
[14:10] <asac> lol
[14:10]  * Nafallo having changed his nickname to realname ;-)
[14:10] <asac> Nafallo: you renamed your launchpad nick
[14:10] <asac> oh
[14:10] <asac> i was told that you might loose stuff like bzr branches
[14:11] <asac> did that happen or didnt you have a bzr branch?
[14:11] <Nafallo> asac: I haven't renamed myself on launchpad, no :-)
[14:11] <asac> NCommander: too bad that launchpad still doesnt allow to see the diff
[14:11] <asac> well. i can look at individual commits
[14:11] <asac> doing that now
[14:11] <NCommander> it should
[14:12] <Nafallo> aha. two N's and lazy asac with the tab :-P
[14:12] <asac> :(
[14:14] <asac> NCommander: err, why is your branch called iceweasel?
[14:14] <asac> just confused
[14:15] <NCommander> asac, early morning insanity
[14:16] <asac> on crack ;)?
[14:16] <asac> NCommander: ok i did it in the good old way
[14:16] <NCommander> Lack of sleep
[14:16] <asac> NCommander: the merging thing didnt allow me to tell which email to use for committing the merge
[14:16] <NCommander> testing icedove and engimamail
[14:16] <NCommander> asac, it gets signed Launchpad Auto-merger - Accepted by asac
[14:16] <NCommander> SOmething like that
[14:17] <asac> apparently launchpad understood that and removed the branch from the merge request
[14:17] <asac> NCommander: yeah. just wasnt sure ;)
[14:17] <asac> and since i had to update my branch anyway :=
[14:17] <asac> so it was just a push
[14:18] <asac> NCommander: yeah cool. so go and find a sponsor for 91
[14:18] <NCommander> Got it
[14:18] <NCommander> Uploading to mentors and confirming enigmail still works
[14:18] <asac> from lp:~mozillateam/thunderbird/icedove-2.0.0.x
[14:18] <asac> NCommander: i told your DD that its ok to do whatever you say to him ;)
[14:18] <NCommander> O_o?
[14:19] <asac> NCommander: ok. if he cannot deal with bzr branches thats probably right
[14:19] <NCommander> why should I be running?
[14:19] <asac> NCommander: huh?
[14:19]  * NCommander has that urge
[14:19] <asac> tomw_v i think
[14:19] <asac> hehe
[14:19] <NCommander> Ok, my sponsor is taking a look at it
[14:20] <NCommander> oh
[14:20] <NCommander> Yeah
[14:20] <NCommander> He's done a few NMUs for me
[14:20] <NCommander> (he gave me a look when I said icedove, but yeah)
[14:21] <asac> NCommander if he is in doubt point him to the fact that this is on the official release branch ;)
[14:21] <NCommander> asac, once this is uploaded, I assume you want me to file an unblock request
[14:21] <asac> NCommander: unblock?
[14:21] <asac> ah right
[14:21] <asac> yeah well. mostly someone does that
[14:21] <NCommander> SO it can enter testing
[14:21] <NCommander> asac, you've been using Ubuntu too long :-P
[14:21] <asac> NCommander: because there is a RC bug against testing
[14:21] <NCommander> asac, the maintainer usually has to request it
[14:21] <asac> NCommander: yeah. but others do that for me ;)
[14:22] <asac> NCommander: maybe not perfect, but works
[14:22] <asac> maybe it just means i should call for help. but that happened now
[14:22] <Nafallo> asac: also, I think I did something to you in private...
[14:24] <NCommander> enigmail works
[14:25] <asac> NCommander: cool. then get that uploaded.
[14:25] <asac> NCommander: if not i can also build and upload
[14:25] <asac> NCommander: i just cannot test
[14:25] <NCommander> well, I'm uploading to mentors
[14:25] <NCommander> So. slow.
[14:25] <asac> NCommander: and then?
[14:26] <NCommander> point my sponsor at the dsc
[14:26] <NCommander> and let him build and upload ;-)
[14:26]  * NCommander adds ubuntu-mozillateam to his ajoin
[14:26] <asac> NCommander: ok. lets hope he doesnt complain. that would definitly make things unefficient ;)
[14:27] <NCommander> YOu can't upload without building
[14:29] <asac> NCommander: yeah. in worst case i could build and upload
[14:29] <asac> but i cannot test ;)
[14:29] <NCommander> ITs already been tested :-)
[14:30] <NCommander> asac, you could always use a chroot to test
[14:30] <asac> NCommander: right. but preferred is still that someone else builds and uploads ;)
[14:30] <NCommander> (just bindmount your home folder and tmp)
[14:30] <asac> NCommander: i usually do. but that chroot isnt in a local net
[14:30] <NCommander> huh?
[14:31] <asac> only place where i can build sid right now is remote ;)
[14:31] <asac> and testing icedove remote isnt really something feasilb
[14:31] <NCommander> asac, I just did ;-)
[14:31] <NCommander> asac, WOOO, X11 forwarding
[14:31] <asac> NCommander: depends on your ping
[14:31] <asac> NCommander: remote == over the internet
[14:32] <NCommander> I find X11 is still responsive enough to test over the 'net
[14:32] <NCommander> if your ISP isn't *****
[14:32] <asac> my current ISP is 3G broadband
[14:32] <NCommander> ouch
[14:33] <asac> i doubt that i can do that .... really
[14:33] <NCommander> I've done X11 forwarding over 56k
[14:33] <asac> that works ... but doesnt work for icedove
[14:33] <asac> well. at least i dont call that "testing"
[14:33] <asac> i can open ... test one thing
[14:33] <asac> close
[14:34] <asac> i did that developing security fixes at some point for firefox
[14:34] <asac> it works. but is so painful that i try everything to not do that
[14:35] <NCommander> http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/i/icedove/icedove_2.0.0.17-1.dsc
[14:35] <asac> fine
[14:35] <asac> NCommander: let me know if the sponsor does it ;)
[14:35] <NCommander> asac, I can simply build the package, and give you the changes to sign and build.
[14:36] <NCommander> er
[14:36] <NCommander> to sign
[14:37] <asac> NCommander: i dont sign binaries i havent built.
[14:38] <NCommander> Ok ...
[14:38] <saivann> asac : ubufox locales all works except 3 ones, I'm looking to find why. I should have a branch ready soon
[14:38]  * NCommander gives you an SSH account to my machine then :-P!
[14:38] <asac> saivann: rock
[14:38] <asac> NCommander: please ask your spnsor
[14:38] <asac> i can only do it as a  backup
[14:38] <asac> otherwise i would have done it on my own ;)
[14:39] <asac> that was the deal i thought
[14:40] <asac> next time you probably could upload on your own as DM
[14:40] <asac> i now have to get a shower and get some fresh air
[14:40] <asac> if that didnt work until then i can  take a look
[14:43] <asac> NCommander: is that ok or do you feel like thats "too complicated"?
[14:44] <NCommander> I'm not a DM
[14:44] <NCommander> And  can't upload the package until the DM-Upload-Allow flag is set ;-)
[14:45] <asac> NCommander: yeah. you can find a sponsor this time
[14:45] <asac> NCommander: and we get you a DM next week
[14:46] <asac> NCommander: at lesat i think that tomw_v already offered to do the sponsoring. if he doesnt want to do it, i will do it later today
[14:46] <NCommander> Well, I gave you the dsc
[14:46] <NCommander> Talk to him before uploading ;-)
[14:46] <asac> NCommander: why didnt you give the dsc to him
[14:46] <asac> ?
[14:47] <NCommander> asac, I also gave it to him
[14:48] <asac> ok
[14:48] <asac> NCommander: all clear. was just a bit confused
[14:48] <asac> thanks
[14:51] <NCommander> asac, you going to be on in a few hours?
[14:51] <asac> NCommander: will be out now ... 2-3h .. crossing fingers that all just happens ;)
[14:51] <asac> NCommander: will be back then
[14:52] <NCommander> I'm going to get some sleep
[14:52] <NCommander> If you want me to apply for DM, we can do that then
[14:52] <asac> NCommander: which timezone
[14:52] <asac> ?
[14:52] <NCommander> Eastern Standard
[14:52] <NCommander> (yes, I don't sleep)
[14:52] <NCommander> ^like normal people
[14:52] <asac> NCommander: ok. sleep well. no need to hurry for the DM thing
[14:53] <NCommander> well, emigamail has a new RC bug
[14:53] <NCommander> \o/
[14:53] <NCommander> although it might be invalid
[14:53] <asac> NCommander: hmm
[14:53] <asac> NCommander: we should ensure that icedove ships $APPDIR/.autoreg
[14:54] <asac> if it ships that we need to touch that file when upgrading enigmail
[14:54] <NCommander> argh
[14:54] <asac> also when upgraidng icedove
[14:54] <NCommander> That would have been good to check
[14:54] <asac> NCommander: its ok. we can do that later
[14:54] <asac> NCommander: any clue when lenny is to be released?
[14:54] <NCommander> Uh, later in the cycle :-)
[14:54] <NCommander> Once the RC bug count drops to zero
[14:55] <NCommander> (so we got awhile)
[14:55] <asac> NCommander: how many are left?
[14:55] <NCommander> Total shown: 178 bugs.
[14:55] <NCommander> We got awhile
[14:55] <asac> NCommander: hmm. http://bts.turmzimmer.net/ doesnt have neigmail
[14:56] <NCommander> YOu have to switch it to lenny only
[14:56] <asac> is that site unreliable now?
[14:56] <NCommander> enigmail was what was NMUed
[14:56] <NCommander> http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny&sortby=packages&new=7&refresh=1800
[14:56] <asac> err. i remember that such an option existed on that site once
[14:56] <asac> but its not there aynmore
[14:56] <asac> at least not linke
[14:56] <NCommander> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=501973
[14:56] <asac> yeah that loks more like i remember it
[14:57] <NCommander> that one has been uploaded and entered the archive
[14:57] <asac> NCommander: oh. so enigmail was NMUed ;)
[14:57] <asac> and not icedove
[14:57] <NCommander> You need to Ack or NACK it
[14:57] <asac> i always NACK NMUs
[14:57] <asac> where nobody talks to me
[14:57] <asac> but well. i dont know how to nack
[14:57] <asac> i think ack is just remoiving the fixed tag
[14:58] <NCommander> Apply a debdiff that undoes their changes with a new maintainer upload that says "Rejecting Non-maintainer upload *version*"
[14:59] <asac> err ... what crak is that
[15:00] <asac> NCommander: shit thats an NMU of an NMU
[15:01] <NCommander> yeah
[15:01] <asac> what the hell was uploaded as 2:0.95.0+1-3.1
[15:01] <NCommander> That's not a good thing
[15:01] <NCommander> asac, check the change log
[15:01] <asac> most likely 3.2 fixed a bug introduced in that upload
[15:02] <asac> pfft
[15:02] <asac> pkern
[15:03] <asac> i mean he is in 100 channels that i am
[15:03] <asac> but his upload was probably ok
[15:03] <asac> he pushed a fix from here to debian
[15:05]  * NCommander notes its always bad when you have multiple NMUs
[15:06] <NCommander> asac, so tomv_w is building icedove
[15:06] <NCommander> That will be uploaded as soon as that finishes \o/
[15:06] <NCommander> (once I get the installer email, I'll request an unblock so in ten days that will migrate from sid to lenny)
[15:11] <NCommander> asac, figure out your NMU mystery?
[15:16] <asac> NCommander: oh yeah. that reminds me that we should have set priority to high
[15:16] <asac> well
[15:17] <asac> let release manager early hint it if they need  it
[15:17] <asac> NCommander: no will look this evening if there is something with sense in enigmail
[15:17]  * NCommander is reading the changelog
[15:20] <asac> NCommander: 3.1 makes sense ... dont see why 3.2 would fix anything
[15:20] <NCommander> 3.2 FTBFS on everything expect i386
[15:20] <asac> the changes he did look more try to clean something up
[15:20] <asac> NCommander: at least that ;)
[15:21] <asac> NCommander: i will see this evening.
[15:21] <asac> now out
[15:21] <asac> for 3 hours or so
[15:21] <NCommander> cya asac
[15:21] <asac> NCommander: you go sleep ;)
[15:21] <asac> bye
[16:22] <armin76> bumb!
[16:33] <asac> armin76: what bump are you looking for
[16:46] <armin76> firefox 5.8!
[17:26] <fta> asac, backporting ff to gutsy is a pain in the *s
[17:30] <asac> fta: right. i would suggest that we backport from hardy
[17:30] <asac> i think we can just use that branch
[17:30] <asac> then drop the /usr/bin/firefox binary
[17:30] <asac> err links
[17:30] <asac> and fix the .desktop file
[17:31] <fta> i did it from head
[17:32] <fta> i thought i was done but what about the profile ?
[17:33] <asac> fta: the profile migration code?
[17:33] <asac> fta: we have to disable it
[17:33] <asac> and use the same
[17:33] <asac> that was used before
[17:33] <asac> fta: i dont mind if from head or from .hardy ... once we did this properly in a branch most should be fine
[17:34] <fta> should the profile be .m/ff-3.0 and auto created from .m/f ? i don't remember..
[17:35] <asac> fta: good question
[17:35] <asac> fta: i guess its the profile we used
[17:37] <asac> fta: good idea would be to start the current backport in gutsy chroot and see i guess :)
[17:37] <asac> most likely its the firefox-granparadiso profile there
[17:38] <asac> we could look ;)
[17:38] <asac> (in diff.gz we should have a patch or something)
[17:40] <fta> i did it in a gutsy chroot and starting from your backport branches on lp, + merge from head
[17:40] <asac> fta: right. but those were not finished
[17:41] <asac> we have to look in gutsy backports diff.gz to know the truth about the profile dir
[17:43] <asac> fta: i will look when back ... getting some fod now
[17:49] <asac> fta: yeah... seems like its ffox-3.0
[17:51] <asac> fta: we could take the firefox.sh.in script directly from the latest backports package
[17:52] <asac> fta: and the profilenamepatch
[17:53] <asac> fta: hmm. the problem with doing the backport for gutsy from .head is that we opt-in to provide backports in hardy too
[17:53] <asac> otherwise people that install abrowser from gutsy cannot upgrade without loosing abrowser
[17:54] <asac> as gutsy users _must_ upgrade to hardy before going to intrepid
[17:54] <asac> which also means that we should do a backport from .head to hardy-backports
[17:54] <asac> from ther eto gutsy-backports
[18:04] <fta> looks same
[18:04] <fta> sane
[18:05] <fta> why would we do backports for gutsy and not for hardy ?
[18:23] <fta> asac, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=951659
[18:38] <asac> fta: why does this guy have 1.9.0.1?
[18:38] <asac> _and_ 1.9.0.3?
[18:39] <fta> don't ask me, i just posted the link
[18:40] <fta> damn, i can reach google
[18:40] <fta> can't
[18:42] <asac> fta: ok i answered
[18:44] <asac> not even 10% of posts from me get thanked
[18:44]  * asac thinks forum users should be more thankful ;)
[18:44] <fta> same for me
[18:47] <asac> fta: you should get the ubuntu developer emblem if you havent
[18:48] <asac> forum admins said that users would be even more motivated on the forums if there would be more developer participation ;)
[18:48] <asac> thats why i tried to use to forums to get feedback
[18:48] <fta> i have "ubuntu member"
[18:48] <asac> was kind of tough to get such dumb feedback ... but once you get used to it, its ok and you can get something out of it.
[18:49] <asac> fta: really
[18:49] <asac> ?
[18:49] <asac> did that hapen automatically?
[18:49] <fta> no, i had to ask mike
[18:50] <fta> i didn't know there was an ubuntu developer emblem
[18:50] <asac> fta: hehe
[18:50] <asac> fta: ask again.
[18:50] <fta> what is mike's nick on irc ?
[18:50] <asac> who is mike?
[18:50] <asac> only forum guy i know is procechild
[18:50] <asac> pricechild
[18:51] <asac> not sure if he is still active though
[18:51] <asac> but he frequently was on irc in -devel i think
[18:51] <fta> mike basinger
[18:51] <asac> isnt there an #ubuntu-forums channel or something?
[18:55] <fta> #ubuntuforums but it seems dead
[19:07] <crimsun> fta: Technoviking
[19:10] <fta> crimsun, thanks
[19:10] <asac> crimsun: that script failed to run somehow yesterday. i have a X61 thinkpad ;)
[19:11] <asac> and my speakers are not working
[19:11] <asac> only the headset plug appears to get a signal
[19:12] <asac> i have no .asoundrc
[19:13] <asac> thats rhythmbox ... i think the login sound is playing
[19:13] <asac> hmm ...appears to work now ... miracle II
[19:13] <asac> nevermind
[19:17] <crimsun> mmkay.
[19:17] <crimsun> anyhow, not sure how that script would have failed (it's a bash script), unless upstream's server simply refused to accept the info...
[19:18] <crimsun> if it happens again, use `bash alsa-info.sh --noupload' and paste{,bin} the /tmp/alsa*
[19:18] <crimsun> (just the one text file is sufficient)
[20:19] <asac> ok thanks
[23:10] <fta> asac, just upgraded my laptop, nm is once again seriously broken
[23:10] <fta> even for just wired
[23:16] <asac> fta: that kind of description doesnt really help ;)
[23:17] <asac> in which way?
[23:17] <fta> after a reboot, wired was broken, with an ip like 1.80.250.x
[23:18] <asac>  what kind of setup?
[23:18] <asac> dhcp?
[23:18] <fta> yes dhcp
[23:18] <asac> do you see that that ip came back from dhclient in syslog?
[23:18] <fta> the applet in the panel is gone
[23:19] <asac> is NetworkManager running?
[23:19] <asac> or did it crash?
[23:19] <asac> fta: i think applet crashes sometimes when started for the first time after using 0.6
[23:20] <fta> i used System / pref / network config
[23:21] <fta> got wired as ifupdown eth0 (never)
[23:21] <fta> tried to edit
[23:22] <fta> ipv4 setting was (and still is) set to manual
[23:22] <asac> ok thats wrong then
[23:22] <fta> the ip is 1.64.21.200/8 !
[23:22] <asac> yeah
[23:22] <fta> and impossible to change to dhcp
[23:22] <asac> impossible?
[23:22] <asac> whats the name of the connection?
[23:23] <fta> got that "http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Screenshot-Untitled%20Window.png"
[23:23] <asac> fta: this means that you used wired from /etc/network/interfaces
[23:24] <asac> and have managed=true?
[23:24] <asac> in /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf?
[23:24] <asac> whats in your /e/n/interfaces?
[23:25] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Screenshot-Network%20Connections.png
[23:26] <fta> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/Screenshot-Editing%20Ifupdown%20%28eth0%29.png
[23:26] <asac> fta: yeah. so this means that you have the ifupdown enabled
[23:26] <asac> fta: which creates read-only connections from your /e/n/i
[23:26] <asac> howver, that shouldnt be enabled by default
[23:26] <asac> its still experimental
[23:26] <asac> if you enabled it by intend i would like ot see the /e/n/interfaces
[23:26] <asac> as there appears to be an exceptional configuraiton in there
[23:27] <fta> [ifupdown]
[23:27] <fta> managed=false
[23:27] <asac> which causes the wrong static ip to be generated
[23:27] <asac> fta: i need to see the syslog. thats a bug then
[23:28] <asac> fta: did you properly reboot and everything?
[23:28] <fta> i ended up doing a manual dhclient
[23:28] <fta> yes, after the update, i rebooted the box
[23:29] <asac> fta: please give me your syslog its an important bug if you get ifupdown with managed=false
[23:29] <asac> and your /etc/n/interfaces config
[23:29] <asac> not sure what causes the confusion here
[23:29] <asac> hmm
[23:29] <asac> fta: wait
[23:29] <asac> fta: in the applet. is there actually any device not "unamanged" ?
[23:30] <asac> fta: anyway. syslog is really important here for me to see if thats ok at all ;)
[23:30] <asac> or what is wrong i mean