[00:00] <PriceChild> !ffmpeg
[01:48] <After_Math> LjL, I am sorry, I apologize to you and the room
[01:48] <LjL> After_Math, please don't confuse the first amendment with whatever is acceptable on a given IRC channel
[01:48] <After_Math> I know
[01:48] <After_Math> Im just fustrated I am sorry
[01:48] <LjL> ok
[01:48] <After_Math> Very inacceptable
[01:48] <LjL> but you understand that, while i could normally let an acronymized "wtf" slip, if you say
 seriuosly like what the fuck happened to network manager
[01:49] <LjL> then i give you language
[01:49] <LjL> and then immediately you change it into
 seriuosly like wtf happened to network manager
[01:49] <After_Math> I know, I usually never curse
[01:49] <LjL> ... then i just feel like i'm being made a fool of
[01:49] <After_Math> I know, I will apologize to everyone as well for my lnguage
[01:49] <After_Math> if I am ever allowed back in
[01:50] <LjL> no, please don't apologize to anyone
[01:50] <After_Math> ok
[01:50] <LjL> i brought you here just to avoid disrupting #ubuntu with this conversation
[01:50] <LjL> you can rejoin it
[01:50] <After_Math> ok, again I will say sorry to you though, long live LjL !!!!! :P
[01:51] <LjL> After_Math: just keep !etiquette in mind and you'll be fine. if you're frustrated, well, i usually swear verbally to the computer, it works ;P
[02:21] <nalioth> jrib: ya don't have to mind that one for a while
[02:45] <bunnyto> hu ho
[02:45] <bunnyto> am i in?
[02:46] <bunnyto> im an 73 year old Ubuntu user, and i was banned many time from this channel, i guess im an oldtimer and the new wave doesnt understand me, thanks for welcome me back
[02:48] <bunnyto> helo
[02:48] <bunnyto> this is kinda quite....
[02:57] <elkbuntu> yes, most people are selectively deaf to lies.
[03:28] <bunnyto> alternatively called , .... racism
[03:29] <mneptok> yes, because race is readily apparent in a textual medium
[03:29] <mneptok> shouldn't you be under a bridge or stealing childrens' dreams or something?
[03:30] <bunnyto> I'll come in Christmas and we will talk ...
[03:32] <bunnyto> just put a glass of Daniel's, "there" 
[03:42] <nalioth> bunnyto: is there anything else we can help you with?
[03:42] <bunnyto> yes
[03:44] <nalioth> care to let us know, then?
[03:46] <bunnyto> one hours please, im elaborating
[03:51] <jdong> hour to type a maximum of 255 characters?
[03:51] <bunnyto> whats the problem with this new generation... on old west times... things were different
[04:01] <Flannel> Whats the story with him?
[04:02] <Flannel> ah, not recent stuff
[05:50] <Mez> no idea who he is
[05:50] <Flannel> I've seen him before, etc.  Just was wondering why he was here this time.  But,  BT answered that.
[05:52]  * nalioth didn't need the BT to know.  He can smell mutton across network cabling.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> just a FYI, as we're so close to release, i'm enforcing the "people who are trying to inhibit ubuntu development will be stopped" rule more.
[05:54] <elkbuntu> is limcore still going?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> yup
[05:54] <Hobbsee> well, he stopped for a while, but is now starting up about openssh
[05:54] <elkbuntu> same invented and unproven bug?
[05:54] <elkbuntu> ah
[05:54] <Hobbsee> [15:47] <LimCore> I once said that installing  sshd  should really strongly warn that you are about to run an ssh SERVER.  Its up for debate, but if we agree, then the fix is trivial
[05:54] <Hobbsee> [15:50] <LimCore> your unwillingness to improve software to make it more user friendly / idiot proof a bit dissapoints me. is it just the close date of 8.10 or what
[05:54] <Flannel> uh
[05:54] <Hobbsee> [15:51] <LimCore> ubuntu is not gentoo or debian - it should make it hard for someone to shoot self in the foot.  Especially if all it takes it so use password like "bob3" and install random packages to "try out the stuff" (both happen)
[05:55] <Hobbsee> presumably we should patch out rm and be done with it, too.
[05:55] <Flannel> of course.  and take away all the sharp objects.
[05:55] <jdong> yeah, grumble.....
[05:55] <jdong> this is probably one of the worst times of the release cycle for clutter in the devel channels
[05:56] <Flannel> $ rm foo
[05:56] <Hobbsee> jdong: yeah.  and limcore's always been rather unhelpful.
[05:56] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, cant we just slip in a patch that nukes anyone called limcore?
[05:56] <Flannel> "Are you sure you want to delete that file?  it's going to *remove* it from your harddrive and you wont be able to access it anymore!
[05:56] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: *snort*.  I'm fairly sure that would be against the CoC
[05:56] <Hobbsee> Flannel: with 27 "are you sure?" windows after?
[05:56] <Flannel> Hobbsee: I was thinking more along the lines of the infinite "Abort, Retry, Fail" loop
[05:57] <elkbuntu> i think it would be quite respectful and courteous to the developers and anyone else who's been near a limcore discussoin
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Flannel: hah
[05:58] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: i don't think I can put an opinion on that either way,in a logged channel, can i?  :)
[05:58] <elkbuntu> of course not, you're not allowed to have opinion. in fact, jimmy wales is allowed more opinion than you.
[06:06] <Hobbsee> !-dvd
[06:06] <Hobbsee> !no dvd is <alias> restricted
[07:11] <Mez> !restricted
[07:51] <jussi01> morning all
[07:52] <Mez> w00... well, I just finished my NM questions
[07:53] <jussi01> how do you tell from the cli the package version you have installed?
[07:54] <Mez> jussi01: dpkg -l <package>
[07:54] <Mez> (and make sure it has ii at the start
[07:55] <Mez> (or use apt-cache policy <package>)
[07:56] <jussi01> ahh, apt-cache policy was what im after
[07:56] <jussi01> thanks
[09:48]  * ikonia would like a council member please
[09:50] <ikonia> or someone with opts in #ubuntu-fr-offtopic
[09:51] <gnomefreak> ikonia: did you try !ops in that channel assuming ubottu is in there
[09:51] <ikonia> there is a bot in there, but it doesn't seem appropriate
[09:51] <ikonia> the spammer guy simon49 is in there
[09:52] <ikonia> I'm trying to get freenode staff to remove him again (he's been klined) he's been spamming channels all night
[09:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[09:52] <ikonia> don't want him even idling in any ubuntu channels
[09:52] <ikonia> (in my view)
[09:55] <gnomefreak> atleast its the only ubuntu* channel hes in
[09:55] <gnomefreak> most are private user channels it seems
[09:55] <ikonia> yes
[09:56] <ikonia> it's not "urgent" the bigger picture is to get him re-klined
[09:56] <ikonia> if "his" channel is closed (only him in it) there will be nothing for him to spam about
[09:56] <gnomefreak> true
[10:40] <Hobbsee> er, i have a ban type question...
[10:40] <Hobbsee> oh, no i don't.  eagles was ban evading again - probably unintentionally
[10:44] <Hobbsee> (damn dynamic hosts, and nick changes)
[12:49] <tuxice> Hello.
[12:50] <tuxice> I was wondering, what is Ubuntu Brainstorm based off of?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> tuxice: try #ubuntu-brainstorm for that
[12:51] <tuxice> Ok, thank you.
[16:09] <EvilDaemon> I was looking at a channel, and the topic said that they supported unicode and utf-8 or something. Is this channel specific, or is it a network wide thing?
[16:10] <jdong> it's a network wide thing
[16:10] <EvilDaemon> oh, okay. thanks.
[16:10] <LjL> jdong: is it? i'm not really aware of any freenode policy about character encoding
[16:11] <jdong> LjL: well I don't know of any part of freenode that doesn't support unicode....
[16:11] <LjL> jdong: #ubuntu-ru only wanted KOI-8 at a time
[16:11] <jdong> interesting
[16:11] <LjL> fortunately they changed their minds
[16:35] <WastePotato> Guys.
[16:36] <WastePotato> Any ops about in #ubuntu-uk?
[16:36] <WastePotato> Oh Gawd.
[16:37] <LjL> WastePotato, GazzaK might be around
[16:37] <WastePotato> Heh. Done. :D
[16:37] <WastePotato> Right. I'm off.
[17:52] <sergiu> hello
[17:52] <sergiu> why i am banned on #ubuntu ?
[17:53] <sergiu> you are not serius guys
[17:54] <sergiu> have banned me on all ubuntu channels
[17:54] <sergiu> you sucks
[17:55] <stdin> you abused the ops call in ubuntu, that's why
[17:55] <sergiu> are you sure?
[17:55] <sergiu> i don't remember to abuse the ops in ubuntu
[17:55] <nalioth> sergiu: it matters not why we banned you.  your attitude here shows us quite a bit.
[17:55] <stdin> the ops trigger for ubottu 
[17:55] <sergiu> what trigger?
[17:56] <nalioth> sergiu: bans usually don't last more than 24h.  is there anything else we can help you with?
[17:56] <sergiu> nalioth, ca i speak with stdin
[17:56] <sergiu> plz
[17:56] <nalioth> you may answer my question, please
, when ?
[17:57] <sergiu> i haven't enter the ubuntu channel 2-3 days
[17:57] <sergiu> and know i tried to enter , and i was suprised to know what i am banned on ubunru
[17:57] <nalioth> sergiu: bans usually don't last more than 24h.  is there anything else we can help you with?
[17:57] <sergiu> nalioth, yes
[17:57] <sergiu> unban me know
[17:57] <sergiu> plz
[17:58] <nalioth> i don't think that will be possible atm.
[17:58] <sergiu> i did not abused in #ubuntu , why should i be banned
[17:58] <sergiu> and wait the 24 hours
[17:58] <nalioth> it's not always 24h
[17:59] <nalioth> you can try again tomorrow.  please see the /topic here
[17:59] <sergiu> can i ask here
[17:59] <stdin> you called the ops because you "wanted to know to ubuntu ops channel"
[17:59] <sergiu> stdin 
[17:59] <sergiu> aaa
[17:59] <sergiu> remembered 
[17:59] <sergiu> when i enter the !ops commands ocasionaly 
[18:00] <sergiu> yes
[18:00] <sergiu> ?
[18:00] <sergiu> entered*
[18:00] <nalioth> that is what stdin is referring to, yes.
[18:00] <sergiu> this was not an abuse ...
[18:00] <sergiu> i typed thiscommands for the first time
[18:01] <nalioth> again, you _may_ be unbanned by tomorrow.  check back about this time then.
[18:01] <sergiu> and this was if i remember , some days ago
[18:01] <sergiu> i can't wait
[18:01] <stdin> come back another time, preferably when the op who banned you is available
[18:01] <sergiu> i need to ask
[18:01] <sergiu> :)
[18:01] <nalioth> sergiu: please type /topic and heed the instructions
[18:02] <sergiu> what dose mean that an ubuntu realise is not more supported? the repository is no longer available ? (i want to install ubuntu 7.04 and want to know...
[18:02] <stdin> this is not a support channel
[18:03] <nalioth> sergiu: anything we can help you with?
[18:03] <stdin> sergiu: I strongly suggest you leave and come back tomorrow
[18:03] <sergiu> tomorrow you will say
[18:03] <sergiu> that unfurunoly we can't help you
[18:04] <sergiu> you are banned
[18:04] <sergiu> :D
[18:04] <nalioth> tomorrow is a hypothesis
[18:04] <nalioth> have a nice day, sergiu (please try again tomorrow)
[18:05] <sergiu> tommorow is after 12:00
[18:05] <sergiu> ok.
[18:06] <nalioth> bans are not 'fire and forget'
[19:02] <LjL> stupid server crashed solid just because i ifup'd my wifi card
[19:12] <jdong> I need ops to #ubuntu-kernel please
[19:12] <jdong> spammer
[19:12] <jdong> 14:02 -!- oneunshamed [n=hoffmann@ip68-97-237-165.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined 
[19:12] <jdong>           #ubuntu-kernel
[19:12] <jdong> 14:02 < oneunshamed> not really related to unbuntu - but if any of you guys are 
[19:12] <jdong>                      into collecting celebrity memorabilia, etc - the company I 
[19:12] <jdong>                      am working for is streamcasting (w/ interactive bidding) 
[19:13] <jdong>                      the Bob Hope estate auction going on right now in 
[19:13] <jdong>                      Hollywood. http://www.auctionnetwork.com/
[19:13] <jdong> LjL: ^^
[19:13] <jdong> ack crap that was a long paste.
[19:13] <LjL> jdong: few people in the access list there
[19:13] <jdong> oh. should've checked the list...
[19:15] <nalioth> jdong: bye bye bye
[19:15] <jdong> nalioth: ah, smell the burn :). thanks
[19:34]  * nalioth pets floodbot3
[20:21] <LjL> anyone's got an easy route to locobot admins? (given last time i had to do with this, their email address wasn't very attended to)
[20:49] <LjL> [21:43:55] <davismj> can you please unban me from #ubuntu  <LjL> what should make me suppose that you won't just start again behavior like you did before the ban?  <davismj> thats a question with no answer!  <davismj> you could just give me a little grace, which would implicitly intensify the weight of any bad decisions i should make
[20:49] <LjL>    <LjL> that's sound enough reasoning   <davismj> thanks [21:48:14] <LjL> you're unbanned. please check /msg ubottu etiquette   <davismj> lol  <davismj> okay   <davismj> thanks
[21:08] <nickrud> lol LjL an honest answer! you were blessed
[21:08] <LjL> heh
[21:09] <nickrud> I've gotta make more time, if that's the caliber of user's we're seeing. Oughta make more time anyway
[21:09] <jussi01> nickrud: when you figure out the recipe for making time, be sure to let me know :P
[21:10] <nickrud> for me, quit playing with drupal and wow ;)
[21:10] <nickrud> and cut back from 48 hrs/wk at work
[21:11] <jussi01> nah, thats re assigning time... making time is the tricky bit :P
[21:11] <nickrud> maybe I should conjure einstein back up, he helped with my attitude :)
[21:39] <Sergiu> Hi, can i be unbaned from #ubuntu+1 ?
[22:01] <drog> hey, just wondering if I can get unmuted in #ubuntu
[22:11] <PriceChild> Let me take a look
[22:13] <PriceChild> drog: do you go by other nicks?
[22:13] <PriceChild> oh... gord
[22:14] <jdong> is that if jesus and his dad had a gay baby together?
[22:15] <jdong> do I go to some sort of Christian hell for that?
[22:15] <drog> k, I get muted in ubuntu for saying that a piece of software is sexy, and jdong can say that and get away with it...
[22:15] <drog> dot dot dot
[22:15] <jdong> w... what?
[22:15]  * jdong doesn't understand why he's involved
[22:17] <PriceChild> drog: I'm going to lift the ban. Why the change in nick?
[22:18] <drog> the gord most of the people know here got irritated that I took his nick
[22:18] <drog> I changed it to theothergord, but that was still confusing to some so I flipped it
[22:19] <drog> you'll find all that in the #ubuntu-offtopic logs if you want
[22:19] <PriceChild> drog: done. I'm sure you know about /msg ubottu guidelines ?
[22:19] <drog> I think ompaul took my nick changes as a form of "ban evasion"... though I'm not sure how changing my nick could evade a ban on my net address
[22:20] <drog> yes, I'm familiar
[22:20] <PriceChild> Cool, anything else I can help with?
[22:21] <drog> nah, that should be good, thanks PriceChild 
[22:22] <jdong> I'd like to apologize and retract my inappropriate remarks above
[22:22] <jdong> i thought I was on a different channel
[22:22] <PriceChild> jdong: and that makes it ok to make fun of other people's religion?
[22:23] <jdong> PriceChild: well I don't believe what I do outside of the bounds of ubuntu namespace should concern anyone else
[22:23] <jdong> though when it leaks into the namespace that is my problem...
[22:26] <drog> jdong, I would think it concerns the people you're targeting with the message
[22:27] <drog> but that's just coming from a human being, so take it with a grain of salt
[22:27] <jdong> meh I still believe we have the right to say what we want to when it isn't done against the rules of where it's said.
[22:28] <PriceChild> drog: anything else we can help you with?
[22:28] <jdong> there are entire forums dedicated to rude comments about me :)
[22:28] <drog> that doesn't make their comments any more appropriate, nor does it legitimize your own
[22:28] <drog> but I'll be quiet now
[22:30] <PriceChild> drog: please also note the /topic (and identify to nickserv! :D)
[22:30] <PriceChild> Hey Sergiu, still here?
[22:31] <Sergiu> yep
[22:31] <Sergiu> i am still here
[22:31] <PriceChild> Sergiu: remember why you were banned?
[22:36] <Sergiu> yes
[22:37] <PriceChild> 1224364924 1018T222204 <+jdong> I'd like to apologize and retract my inappropriate remarks above
[22:37] <PriceChild> 1224364930 1018T222210 <+jdong> i thought I was on a different channel
[22:38] <PriceChild> gah.... really didn't mean to paste that
[22:38]  * PriceChild looks at copy, looks at paste, then memorizes the difference
[22:38] <PriceChild> memorises even jdong ;)
[22:39] <jdong> PriceChild: you just won't let me live it down either, huh? :)
[22:39] <jdong> today's just not my day, is it?
[22:40] <PriceChild> Sergiu: you called for the operators in both #ubuntu & #ubuntu+1 using the !ops command?
[22:40] <PriceChild> jdong: I'm worrying about how I'm going to explain it.
[22:40] <Sergiu> PriceChild, i remeber, in #ubuntu i have used !ops
[22:41] <PriceChild> Sergiu: why did you use that command?
, i thought that this command will display  me the ubuntu op channel ..g
[22:43] <Sergiu> i will never use it again, becuse i can see the ops in here however .
[22:43] <nalioth> Sergiu: were you not asked to check back in 24h ?
[22:43] <PriceChild> Sergiu: okies. Anyway I've just been pointed to how you were here earlier today and told when to return. The bans won't be lifted at this time. See you later.
[22:44] <Sergiu> i just asked if i can be unbanned in ubuntu+1
[22:44] <Sergiu> if not, ok..
[22:45] <Sergiu> it seems it's really hard for you
[22:45] <Sergiu> =]
[22:46] <Sergiu> why i cannot be unbanned on ubuntu+1 ?
[22:48] <PriceChild> Sergiu: I believe this was explained last time you came here. Please go read your logs and we'll try again in 24h.
[22:49] <Sergiu> np
[22:49] <drog> PriceChild, how can I become an ubuntu op? I wish to wield the mighty ban hammer.
[22:49] <Sergiu> PriceChild it's ok
[22:51] <nalioth> Sergiu: please read and heed the /topic here.
[22:52] <PriceChild> drog: Channel owners are free to choose whoever they want to operate their channel. In Ubuntu I find owners usually pick active helpers.
[22:59] <Sergiu> hi
[23:00] <Sergiu> some question..
[23:00] <Sergiu> it's allowed to swear in ubunt uchannels?
[23:00] <ikonia> no
[23:01] <Sergiu> =]
[23:02] <Sergiu> why not
[23:02] <Sergiu> :D
[23:02] <Sergiu> ok
[23:02] <stdin> because many people use #ubuntu including children
[23:02] <PriceChild> !guidelines
[23:05] <Sergiu> yeah, ircguidelines is reffered on ubuntu, on ubuntu i never permit myself to swear
[23:06] <ikonia> whats the point ?
[23:06] <elkbuntu> Sergiu, anything else we can help you with? this is not a channel to sit and chatter in.
, i have been banned
[23:06] <Sergiu> on #ubuntu
[23:06] <Sergiu> +1
[23:06] <Sergiu> of swear
[23:06] <Sergiu> ..
[23:07] <elkbuntu> Sergiu, under a different name?
, "anything else we can help you with?" -nope, just leaving
 , under this name how i remember
[23:07] <Sergiu> )
[23:08] <nalioth> Sergiu: what part of "check back in 24 hours" is hard to understand?
[23:08] <Sergiu> :))
[23:08] <Sergiu> good bye
[23:10] <elkbuntu> ah, he is found under his ip.
[23:17] <twfxfnf> down with IRCops !!!!
[23:17]  * bavardage wants to see what happens to twfxfnf 
[23:17] <bavardage> or are these trials conducted in private?
[23:17] <twfxfnf> i'm a political prisoner!!!!!
[23:18] <twfxfnf> all actions by operators are inherently against the benefit of the populace, as the seizure of power only results in disparity, either economic or in potency!!!
[23:18] <PriceChild> twfxfnf: lets take a deep breath first.
[23:18] <elkbuntu> nothing wil lhappen if you leave now.
[23:19] <twfxfnf> not to mention some asshole just banned from #ubuntu 
[23:19] <elkbuntu> staying beyond this point means you will not challenge what happens
[23:19] <ikonia> I just muted you in ubuntu
[23:19] <twfxfnf> excuse me, elk?
[23:20] <twfxfnf> +b =/= mute
[23:20] <elkbuntu> darned lag
[23:20] <ikonia> ahhh it's the achhlinux boys again
[23:20] <twfxfnf> as soon as you erect a code of conduct, you imply that the enforcement of those rules by means of kicking and banning is acceptable!
[23:20] <ikonia> this has happened before
[23:21] <ikonia> they are all in #archlinux-offtopic egging each other on
[23:21] <bavardage> ikonia: I wasn't part of this..
[23:21] <twfxfnf> that's not even a semblance of humanity
[23:21] <ikonia> this has happened a few time before
[23:21] <bavardage> I often lurk in ubuntu now.. incase I can lend a hand
[23:21] <bavardage> when I'm bored and have little to do...
[23:21] <elkbuntu> ikonia, thanks for that information. I shall speak with their operators now.
[23:21] <twfxfnf> i'm a model citizen
[23:22] <ikonia> PriceChild: has also seen this
[23:22] <twfxfnf> clearly the entire group of archlinux users is as fault!
[23:22] <twfxfnf> let's bomb their measly chatroom to smithereens!
[23:22] <nalioth> is there something we can help you guys with?
[23:22] <nalioth> if not, i think y'all made a wrong turn on the keyboard
[23:23] <twfxfnf> before long there are going to be ubuntu grand wizards!!!
[23:23] <twfxfnf> sectarian hatred is always antithetical to the purpose of philanthropy!!!
[23:24] <nalioth> if you don't have any business, here, please leave the channel
[23:24] <twfxfnf> the internet is about freedom!
[23:24] <twfxfnf> i have business here
[23:24] <bavardage> oh sorry
[23:24] <bavardage> I was hoping for twfx.. to get owned
[23:24] <bavardage> night...
[23:25] <PriceChild> eight: be off with you please.
[23:25] <elkbuntu> csilk, eight, no need for you two to stay either.
[23:25] <csilk> haha, fair enough
[23:25] <elkbuntu> Cheiron, have you a purpose here?
[23:33]  * PriceChild grins
[23:34] <ikonia> ?
[23:35] <ikonia> funny how their attitude changes when the new guy joins
[23:36] <PriceChild> I can't remember when I started idling there, but I stopped a few weeks ago.
[23:37] <ikonia> you idleed after getting two troll attacks from their members and I asked you to help
[23:37] <PriceChild> oh i remember why
[23:37] <ikonia> which you did