[00:37] <nedko> qgit
[00:37] <nedko> ups, sorry
[00:59] <avoine> hi, I think I have a build that is doing a infinite loop -> https://edge.launchpad.net/~patrick-hetu/+archive/+build/744680
[00:59] <avoine> I don't know if you can "kill" the build process
[01:06] <Hobbsee> avoine: there's no current functionality for that.  either a buildd admin with more power will swing by, or it'll have to wait until monday
[01:08] <Hobbsee> oh, ffs!   (Error ID: OOPS-1023EC1)
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Would it be too much to ask that launchpad actually continues to work, *all* weekend, close to release?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1023EA3
[01:10] <wgrant> Queue acceptance?
[01:10] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1023ED3
[01:10] <Hobbsee> yup.  1 package.
[01:10] <Hobbsee> it's not like we've actually got a release to do, or anything...
[01:12] <wgrant> I suppose it's a bit of a slippery slope to let a Launchpad release be postponed for one of its users' releases.
[01:12] <wgrant> And the only sure way to not break things is to not release
[01:12] <Hobbsee> thye never do that.
[01:12] <Hobbsee> besides, it worked yesterday, and they released before that.
[01:12] <wgrant> Hmm
[01:12] <wgrant> calc also complained of timeouts approving a nomination.
[01:12] <wgrant> Maybe somebody ate the DB server.
[01:18] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1023B32
[01:18] <Hobbsee> busticated on both production and edge.
[01:18]  * Hobbsee sends sms'
[01:38] <poolie> hi Hobbsee
[01:38] <wgrant> Oh good, a fixing person.
[01:40] <poolie> mm
[01:40] <poolie> nobody else is around?
[01:40] <poolie> can you tell me more about what's failingL
[01:42] <wgrant> poolie: Accepting packages, accepting bug nominations. Those are all I've seen.
[01:42] <wgrant> Even the Soyuz console ftpmaster tools hang.
[01:42] <poolie> so if i try to upload to a ppa, nothing happens?
[01:42] <wgrant> I meant from the queues, sorry.
[01:42] <wgrant> But that might also fail.
[01:42] <wgrant> I'm not sure.
[01:43] <wgrant> But primary is mildly critical, given that RC ISO testing is meant to start tomorrow.
[01:45] <poolie> ok
[01:45] <poolie> ah
[01:46] <poolie> i guess many lp people are on their way to London
[01:46] <wgrant> Really, really smart scheduling.
[01:46] <poolie> heh
[01:47] <wgrant> It's great that LP happens to often collapse when all the LOSAs are on planes.
[01:47] <poolie> keep your hair on
[01:47] <poolie> they are not all literally on planes
[01:47] <wgrant> Never!
[01:47] <wgrant> They were last time.
[01:52] <poolie> anyhow, it is believed to be fixed now, can you retry something?
[01:53] <wgrant> Hobbsee: ^^
[01:56] <Hobbsee> poolie: ppa:  seems to be a stuck build, and other biulds that aren't getting allocated.
[01:56]  * wgrant is still waiting for a nomination approval..
[01:56] <wgrant> Not fixed.
[01:56] <wgrant>  (Error ID: OOPS-1023EC4)
[01:57] <spm> wgrant: Hobbsee: looking....
[01:57] <wgrant> Oddly enough, declining it works fine.
[01:57] <wgrant> spm: Thanks!
[01:57] <Hobbsee> poolie: ah, seems everything's timed out on the archive - openjdk doesn't take 6 hours to build.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> spm: ^, cool, thanks.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1023B72 for the queue timeout.
[01:57] <wgrant> The buildds are royally stuffed, have been for a long time.
[01:57] <Hobbsee> wgrant: erk.  they need to build over the weekend!
[01:58] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Shh.
[01:58] <wgrant> We are only Ubuntu.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> wgrant: the solution to this must be that LOSAs arent' allowed to catch plans anywhere near the major projects' releases.
[02:02] <Nafallo> they aren't.
[02:02] <wgrant> I hear that LOSAs probably aren't included in the set of people which are heading to London.
[02:02] <spm> Hobbsee: none of us are going to the Epic, we're all at home enjoying our sunday's or Sat's as the case may be. :-)
[02:03] <Hobbsee> oh, right.
[02:03] <Hobbsee> fair enough, then.
[02:08] <NCommander> oh yay
[02:08] <NCommander> wgrant, is that both PPA buildds and main distro, or just the later?
[02:08] <Hobbsee> NCommander: all.
[02:08] <wgrant> NCommander: PPA builds have been taking at least a few hours longer than they should, so I presume everything.
[02:09] <NCommander> wgrant, ah, makes sense
[02:09]  * NCommander is reminded he needs to make an autobuild lpia PPA script
[02:09] <NCommander> Ark, slangasek was right, my mind!
[02:09] <wgrant> NCommander: Just you wait... it'll get worse.
[02:10] <poolie> ok, spm, i'll leave this with you... :)
[02:10] <wgrant> Have a nice rest of your weekend, poolie.
[02:10] <poolie> you too
[02:10] <Hobbsee> cya poolie, and thanks!
[02:10] <spm> poolie: ta :-)
[02:11] <wgrant> spm: Is there an obvious issue, or is it Launchpad growing a mind of its own and breaking only those bits which affect Ubuntu releases?
[02:11] <wgrant> See, it's not breaking non-RC bugs (I can decline nominations).
[02:12] <StevenK> Hm. No lovely mail from LP about linux-lpia
[02:12] <NCommander> wgrant, it works fine for non-Ubuntu distributions
[02:12] <NCommander> StevenK, oh, so you did upload it :-)
[02:12] <NCommander> StevenK, its not in the unapproved queue. Its likely in limbo
[02:12] <wgrant> The upload processor is probably hanging like the rest of the world.
[02:12] <StevenK> Right
[02:12] <NCommander> someone reboot the world
[02:13] <Hobbsee> wgrant: declining nominations is easy - that has never broken.
[02:13] <spm> NCommander: no windows sysadmins here thank you! :-)
[02:14] <StevenK> That reminds me of my first job.
[02:14] <spm> wgrant: nothing obvious - looks like multiple issues in differing parts of the system
[02:14] <wgrant> spm: There's another Steve McInerney who is a sysadmin in .au?
[02:14] <StevenK> At a small ISP -- we had one Windows NT web host, and we discovered a tool to keep it stable.
[02:14] <wgrant> StevenK: The power switch?
[02:15] <StevenK> An oven timer that would power off the machine every night at 3am for 2 minutes
[02:15] <wgrant> Hahah.
[02:15] <Nafallo> lol
[02:15] <spm> wgrant: working for canonical? No, just me.
[02:15] <wgrant> spm: I remember reading something about Win2k3 servers on your blog some time ago.
[02:16] <spm> wgrant: tricky. I stopped windows sysadmin seriously with NT4, did a bit with 2k, nought with 2k3.
[02:18] <wgrant> This is a very intuitive form: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/255660/nominations/7774/+edit-form
[02:18] <StevenK> "Do Stuff?" "Approve"
[02:19] <NCommander> wgrant, can I get a screenshot? :-)
[02:20] <wgrant> The HTML is small enough to paste.
[02:20] <wgrant> <form action="https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/255660/nominations/7774/+edit-form" method="post"> <input type="submit" name="approve" value="Approve" id="approve" />
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[02:27] <NCommander> interestng
[03:10] <Hobbsee> spm: any luck?  it looks like you got slight success.
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Error ID: OOPS-1023B198
[03:13] <spm> Hobbsee: mixed bag; cprov is looking too. I don't believe we're totally out of the woods yet.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> spm: oh dear :)
[03:15] <spm> Hobbsee: oh, it's not all bad. I now have a *really* good excuse for not talking to my -in-laws on the phone. ;-)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> spm: hahaha :)
[03:16] <Hobbsee> spm: i'm sure you're not supposed to admit tothat on a public channel :P
[03:16] <wgrant> What has actually gone wrong?
[03:16] <spm> Hobbsee: After 13+ years of being their son-in-law, I suspect they're more than used to it by now. :-)
[03:17] <wgrant> Hahah.
[03:17] <spm> wgrant: unknown.
[03:17] <spm> Is a real bugger.
[03:17] <wgrant> The best kind of bug.
[03:17] <spm> Far as I could see, an upload task kept getting wedged and thus nothing else was moving forward.
[03:18] <Hobbsee> spm: ah, right.
[03:18] <wgrant> And I bet it ended up locking BugTask or something, which would explain why approving doesn't work while declining does...
[03:20] <spm> possibly. I'm not that familar with the intracacies of soyuz. To my frustration atm... :-/
[03:20] <wgrant> That is why we have super-cprov!
[03:20] <spm> who has had to leave to catch his flight. something about 'last call' :-)
[03:21] <wgrant> Fun, fun, fun.
[03:21] <spm> It's laugh or cry atm; I choose laughter.
[03:21]  * Hobbsee hands spm a drink
[03:21]  * spm bows to Hobbsee's largesse
[03:22] <wgrant> And I guess it's 2am for the other Soyuz guys, isn't it?
[03:22] <wgrant> Or 3am, even.
[03:22] <spm> assuming there's already in London? yeah.
[03:22] <spm> they're*
[03:22] <wgrant> bigjools always is, kiko is...
[03:24] <spm> Sadly I'm thinking there's not a lot more I can do at this stage. cprov felt the issue could be inside the database itself.
[03:25] <spm> I'll try and grab kiko if and when he pops up, otherwise I think we just have to wait. :-(
[03:25] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[03:25] <wgrant> You guys have excellent timing, I must say.
[03:25] <spm> Murphy rulez. always.
[03:25] <Hobbsee> oh dear.
[03:26]  * Hobbsee hopes we won't have to delay the ubuntu release, due to this.
[03:27] <Hobbsee> spm: does this mean that uploads are all vanishing into the aether, or are they somewhere, but unprocessed?
[03:27] <wgrant> They are somewhere half-processed, like those accepts, I suspect...
[03:27] <spm> Hobbsee: I'm not sure to be honest. Haven't looked into that.
[03:28] <wgrant> But I wonder if they will unblock or just die and vanish.
[03:28] <wgrant> Hopefully after closing the bugs.
[03:28] <wgrant> Just for added confusion.
[03:28] <Hobbsee> spm: well, if you could, that'd be great.  Will warn people not ot upload anything else for a while, if tha'tshte case.
[03:28] <spm> Hobbsee: sure - I'll see what I can see...
[03:28] <Hobbsee> spm: thanks
[03:32] <Hobbsee> note to self:  cleaning a keyboard is a bad idea - it makes it harder to type.
[03:34] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Better than having annoying flying beetles that crawl under your keys.
[03:35] <Hobbsee> wgrant: that's true.  although i can't say i've had that before...
[03:37] <nealmcb> I've set a "downloads" url for https://edge.launchpad.net/electionaudits/  and that url is shown now for "external downloads" but there is nothing in the "downloads" section (next to "announcements) - is there some other way to set up downloads?
[03:37] <wgrant> nealmcb: LP provides its own download serving functionality.
[03:38] <wgrant> nealmcb: You can add arbitrary files to a release, and they will appear there.
[03:38] <nealmcb> wgrant: it is well hidden :)
[03:38] <wgrant> nealmcb: Indeed. I believe beuno is working on that. If you can't find it, ask.
[03:38] <nealmcb> I'm asking
[03:39]  * nealmcb pings bueno
[03:39] <nealmcb> wgrant: thanks
[03:39] <wgrant> I mean asking me, as he won't be around.
[03:39] <wgrant> nealmcb: You need to have a release first. Do you have a release?
[03:39] <nealmcb> nope
[03:39] <nealmcb> at least not according to launchpad, I guess - I'll looik
[03:40] <wgrant> nealmcb: OK, you just have the one series and no releases
[03:40]  * wgrant looks for docs on the concepts of series and releases.
[03:40] <wgrant> nealmcb: See https://help.launchpad.net/Projects/SeriesMilestonesReleases
[03:41] <nealmcb> ahh - the fine manual.  thanks.   I hope bueno is finding some  good places to link that in to the site itself
[03:57] <nealmcb> wgrant: well, I understand about releases now, but have yet to run across a way to create one, so I can "Add download file."
[03:58] <wgrant> nealmcb: Well, that part of the documentation is stupid and broken.
[03:58] <wgrant> nealmcb: You create a release within a series.
[03:59] <nealmcb> and my series is "trunk"
[03:59] <wgrant> You probably want to create a different series.
[03:59] <wgrant> Though for smaller projects it's not entirely incorrect to use trunk.
[03:59] <nealmcb> oooh - I found it
[04:00] <nealmcb> this is all pre-1.0
[04:06] <sonofjon> whois
[04:07] <wgrant> nealmcb: I've added an extra sentence to that help page mentioning how to add a release.
[04:09] <nealmcb> wgrant: sweet!  thanks.  on another topic - any idea how long it might take to activate the mailing list for this team?  https://edge.launchpad.net/~electionaudits
[04:10] <wgrant> nealmcb: I've no clue.. I've no relationship to Launchpad other than being an (often disgruntled) user, and don't know much about its mailing lists.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> nealmcb: they can take a while.  European working week is when they get done.
[04:20] <sonofjon> Hi, my first time here.
[04:20]  * wgrant looks all scary and intimidating.
[04:22] <sonofjon> Newbie question on PPA upload: I just registered a PPA and uploaded a package with dput. However, launchpad silently ignored my upload. How long do I need to wait for a response? No email after two hours. Neither did anything appear on my PPA.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sonofjon: it's currently broken.
[04:23] <wgrant> sonofjon: There are big problems with Launchpad's package service at the moment. It's being worked on.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> sonofjon: it probably will be until tomorrow before it gets fixed - so just wait
[04:23] <sonofjon> TY
[04:23] <wgrant> sonofjon: You would normally receive an email within 10 minutes.
[04:24] <nealmcb> wgrant: aha - well you're doing a fine job of support - thanks
[04:24] <Hobbsee> there we are.
[04:24] <nealmcb> Hobbsee: thanks
[04:24] <wgrant> s/launchpad/Launchpad/, but otherwise good.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> there we are.
[04:24] <nealmcb> :)
[04:25] <wgrant> Excellent.
[04:26] <Hobbsee> nealmcb: perhaps I should list wgrant as the community help contact for the day...
[04:27]  * wgrant stabs Hobbsee with the shards of Launchpad that are scattered over spm's floor.
[04:27] <wgrant> And lifeless' I guess.
[04:27] <spm> :-)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:29]  * NCommander sweeps up the Launchpad shards and uses sueprglue
[04:33] <Hobbsee> I wish launchpad had a X-Launchpad-Bug-Duplicate header or something.
[04:40] <NCommander> does anyone have any idea what broke?
[04:41] <wgrant> I guess they would have fixed it by now if they knew what was wrong...
[04:51] <NCommander> wgrant, probably a database server went boom
[04:51]  * Hobbsee wonders who was severely on crack when they wrote the buildd admin GUI.
[04:53] <Hobbsee> not that it's used very much, but I do wonder that every time i see it.
[04:53] <spm> NCommander: pretty much - locks left lying around == major stuckness - gradually unsticking atm
[04:54] <wgrant> Other parts of Launchpad weren't that great to start with, and I'd imagine there's little reason to fix that UI just now.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> oh, sure.  I'm just...curious about it.
[04:56] <NCommander> Hobbsee, just wait until the source gets freed
[05:11] <nealmcb> wgrant: the api docs seem pretty useful to me - lots of detail all in one place, and the promise of nice integration with other tools to automate all this release management stuff: https://edge.launchpad.net/+apidoc
[05:15] <nealmcb> now I just want to be able to do something like python setup.py sdist in a way that signs it and uploads it to the right launchpad release
[05:30] <wgrant> spm: It's fixed?
[05:30] <wgrant> At least uploads are being processed now.
[05:30] <slangasek> are they?  I appear not to be able to upload
[05:30] <spm> wgrant: we believe so - am still re-enabling everythnig I stopped - so bear with me for a few more minutes or so.
[05:30] <wgrant> slangasek: See #ubuntu-release.
[05:30] <csilk> anyone around?
[05:31] <wgrant> linux-lpia generated a notification.
[05:31] <spm> slangasek: that's one of the disabled things :-)
[05:31] <StevenK> \o/
[05:31] <StevenK> Which needs a shove
[05:31] <slangasek> wgrant: right, so something that was already uploaded finally made it to the db
[05:31] <csilk> just wondering, on my lp profile why am I associated with "bug-helper" in the "related software" section?
[05:32] <wgrant> slangasek: Which means the process unwedged, which means something is fixed. Which is better than it has been for a few hours.
[05:33] <wgrant> csilk: You might be a member of a team which is related to it.
[05:34] <csilk> Yeah I guess, I wouldnt of thought that would associate me with it though, seems odd that's the default behavious
[05:34] <csilk> *behaviour
[05:35] <wgrant> For most teams it should be correct behaviour.
[05:35] <wgrant> If I'm a member of ~bzr, I'm related to bzr.
[05:37] <csilk> yeah but if i am a member of x and a subset of x use y , shouldnt mean I am related to y
[05:38] <wgrant> How can Launchpad know that?
[05:38] <spm> ok everyone, I *think* that's everything back and working.
[05:38] <csilk> wgrant,  it doesn't know that, which is why it shouldn't yes unless told yes
[05:38] <slangasek> spm: \o/ thanks
[05:39] <wgrant> spm: Thanks!
[05:39] <csilk> anyway, pointless debate, you already answered my question so thank you :)
[05:39] <wgrant> csilk: Why don't you want it to be shown?
[05:39] <spm> credit! lifeless played a major part too!!! :-)
[05:39] <csilk> Oh, it's not that I don't want it to be shown, I just didn't understand the logic
[05:39] <csilk> anyway, back to packaing
[05:39] <NCommander> \o\ /o/
[05:39] <csilk> *packaging
[05:41] <wgrant> Thanks lifeless!
[05:42] <NCommander> Yay, launchpad still works
[05:43] <wgrant> Hey. The buildds are doing something that isn't 6 hours old.
[05:58] <lifeless> my pleasure
[06:05] <darkhole> Hello!!
[06:05] <darkhole> I hace a question
[06:05] <darkhole> *have
[06:07] <NCommander> darkhole, just ask it
[06:09] <darkhole> Hi..
[06:09] <darkhole> I amd making a Poll.
[06:09] <darkhole> But I get this error.
[06:09] <darkhole> A poll cannot open less than 12 hours after it's created.
[06:09] <darkhole> My open date: 2008-10-19 12:00:00+01:00
[06:09] <darkhole> My close day: 2008-10-25 12:00:00+01:00
[06:10] <darkhole> I don't know what is wrong
[06:10] <darkhole> And, some body can make this a little easy??
[06:10] <wgrant> darkhole: What is unclear about the error message?
[06:10] <darkhole> Like the admin panel to aprove o decline some users in the teams?
[06:11] <wgrant> That restriction doesn't seem sane, but the error message seems clear - you have to set an open date of at least 12 hours in the future.
[06:11] <darkhole> Mmm, I' making a poll with 7 days of duration..
[06:11] <darkhole> But I get this error..
[06:11] <darkhole> A poll cannot open less than 12 hours after it's created.
[06:11] <darkhole> Mmm, ok..
[06:11] <darkhole> I now read all..
[06:12] <wgrant> It's saying that it can't open less than 12 hours after creation - not that it can't be open for less than 12 hours
[06:12] <darkhole> Sorry, but, my petition to the change of the Gui is there..
[06:12] <darkhole> Thanks.. sorry for the inconvenient
[06:12] <darkhole> Bye and many thanks!!
[06:13] <wgrant> Hobbsee: My eyes are burning.
[06:13] <wgrant> Hobbsee: Have you seen the poll creation UI?
[06:23] <NCommander> wgrant, how bad is it?
[06:23] <wgrant> Arbitrary constraints, bad error messages, bad field names, no field descriptions...
[06:26] <wgrant> Maybe it's not so arbitrary, actually.
[06:26] <wgrant> Maybe they don't want polls opening less than 12 hours after they're created in order to prevent people from looking at the poll functionality without making a significant time commitment to it.
[06:28] <wgrant> Thus limiting the number of complaints and bugs.
[06:49] <maco> is bazaar one of the broken bits of launchpad?
[06:49] <maco> i can branch fine, but i can't push
[06:52] <wgrant> maco: It works for me... what is the error you're getting?
[06:55] <maco> ssh: connect to host launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out
[06:55] <maco> bzr: ERROR: Connection closed: please check connectivity and permissions (and try -Dhpss if further diagnosis is required)
[06:55] <maco> i was getting it earlier...hoped it had stopped
[06:55] <maco> but its still happening
[06:56] <maco> also possible i'm doing it wrong...
[06:56] <maco> $ bzr push bzr+ssh://maco.m@launchpad.net/maco.m/human-icon-theme/system-administration <-- what i typed
[06:56] <maco> oh
[06:56] <maco> doh
[06:56] <maco> ~
[06:56]  * maco tries again, minus typo
[06:57] <wgrant> maco: bazaar.launchpad.net?
[06:57] <maco> oh dang two typos
[06:58] <maco> sorry, i think this is my third time trying to use bzr *blush*
[06:58] <maco> oh hey that works
[07:00] <maco> -_- ok it did the transferring thing and got this far: [[07:05] <wgrant> Maybe just try again.
[07:06] <maco> it resumed and says "Created new branch" but yet again, launchpad believes my branch is empty
[07:06] <maco> i currently have two branches that ive pushed to (one was about a month ago) claiming to be empty on launchpad, but at least in the case of the other one, branching from it works fine
[07:07] <wgrant> Which version of bzr are you using?
[07:08] <maco> 1.3.1-1ubuntu0.1
[07:09] <wgrant> Hmm.
[07:10] <wgrant> Well, I really don't know.
[07:10] <wgrant> maco: Looks like it has worked now.
[07:11] <wgrant> maco: Note that Launchpad will only scan the branch for new revisions every few minutes.
[07:11] <wgrant> Your other empty branch needs another push.
[07:11] <maco> tried that one already
[07:11] <maco> had someone helping try to debug it
[07:11] <maco> another push a week later had no effect
[07:12] <maco> branching from it works fine.  its there...lp.net's GUI just refuses to show it
[07:12] <wgrant> Hah. Launchpad is a strange beast.
[07:13] <NCommander> wgrant, its still recovering from its database troubles
[07:13] <maco> NCommander: the empty branch i'm referring to was mid-september
[07:14] <wgrant> maco: Launchpad is probably strange enough that it doesn't care about time.
[07:15] <wgrant> Anyway, your human-icon-theme branch looks like it's fine.
[07:15] <wgrant> Which is good, because those two icons look very strange now.
[07:15] <maco> well i created the branch the night there was a launchpad update followed by "uh, we're taking it down again tomorrow because that didnt work well" and there've been updates since then and nothing's made it visible
[07:16] <maco> there've been updates to lp, i mean, not to that branch
[07:17] <maco> that branch has to wait for jaunty. string freeze is over for intrepid.
[07:41] <Hobbsee> wgrant: no...
[07:42] <wgrant> Hobbsee: It's pretty bad...
[07:42] <Hobbsee> urgh
[07:43] <wgrant> It looks like somebody dropped it into a new style of form at some point.
[07:43] <Hobbsee> woot...
[08:17] <hyperair> hello there. i'm getting a strange error while attempting to get mesa built in my PPA - cp: cannot create regular file `debian/tmp/etc/X11/Xsession.d/65mesa-check-x86-64': File exists
[08:17] <hyperair> since when does cp fail when the file already exists anyway?
[08:26] <wgrant> hyperair: That's a bug in your package.
[08:28] <hyperair> yeah yeah you tell me that, but the only changes from the official intrepid package is debian/changelog, debian/patches/05something and debian/patches/series
[08:28] <hyperair> exactly where would this error be?
[08:28] <hyperair> and lpia works just fine =.=
[08:28] <hyperair> i don't know why it's failing for x86 and x86_64
[08:28] <hyperair> blargh
[08:29] <wgrant> There is an architecture in your filename, so it's not unthinkable that it should be arch-specific.
[08:30] <hyperair> hmm it's not arch-specific, if that's what you'er asking. x86 fails with that file too
[08:30] <hyperair> and the file is present in the lpia deb as well
[08:31] <hyperair> the only error i can see in the log is a duplication of the cp command (god knows how that happened on x86 a d x86-64) and a failuer to copy because "File exists"
[08:33] <hyperair> take a look: https://edge.launchpad.net/~hyperair/+archive
[08:33] <hyperair> diff is there, log's also there
[08:35]  * wgrant tries to rebuild mesa from primary.
[08:36]  * hyperair tries to build mesa on pbuilder here
[08:37] <wgrant> That's clearly a packaging bug.
[08:37] <wgrant> But it might be in primary too.
[08:37] <hyperair> yeah i know
[08:38] <hyperair> from what i can see, debian/rules will copy the said file into debian/tmp/etc/Xsession.d/ with every install- rule
[08:38] <hyperair> which is approx 5 times if i'm not mistaken
[08:38] <hyperair> but for some reason, on x86 and x86_64, that particular cp command is duplicated in the same rule
[09:06] <hyperair> wgrant: pbuilder on my system built it just fine
[09:53] <hyperair> does the ppa build with -j#?
[09:55] <hyperair> heh. i thought so. race condition
[09:55] <hyperair> if i keep rebuilding, it'll eventually build
[09:55] <hyperair> =D
[12:44] <NCommander> Is there a rosetta guru around
[12:45] <mdke> NCommander: generally not at weekends, but if you ask, you never know
[12:45] <NCommander> Well, its a release critical issue
[12:45] <NCommander> KDE's translations are horribly broken
[12:48] <mdke> NCommander: unless you're able to give more detail, I doubt that even those who are around will be able to help
[12:50] <NCommander> FOr the vast majority of the cycle, rosetta hasn't been updating as far as KDE translations. Neither importing nor exporting has been working. Finally the later been fixed, but we're stuck with no viable translations. We have the offical KDE translations, but no way to import
[12:52] <mdke> I'm fairly sure that the issue about Rosetta not importing KDE translations was fixed, maybe a couple of weeks ago. See for examples these emails:
[12:52] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2008-September/001679.html
[12:52] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2008-October/001687.html
[12:53] <mdke> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-translators/2008-October/001770.html
[12:53] <NCommander> It was fixed a few days ago, but now we have no translations.
[12:53] <NCommander> We need the KDE4 ones imported
[12:54] <mdke> note that the second link says that the imports are working
[12:54] <mdke> from 1 October
[12:55] <mdke> I think Rosetta hasn't yet finished working through the huge backlog of imports though
[12:55] <NCommander> mdke, but the imports aren't present
[12:55] <NCommander> mdke, is there a place where I see rosetta's progress?
[12:56] <mdke> the import queue is here: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+imports
[12:56] <mdke> that's just the Ubuntu-specific queue though
[12:57] <mdke> it's showing about 19k approved files waiting for import
[13:00] <mdke> if you're concerned about any packages in particular, you can view the import queue for specific packages. For example, kdebase only has one pending import
[14:08] <maxb> ooi, How are packages' "build score"s calculated?
[14:10] <Hobbsee> whether they're in main / universe, how long they've been waiting, etc.
[14:10] <Hobbsee> iirc
[15:40] <cjwatson> maxb: it's a weighted function of: pocket (security = highest, proposed = lowest), component (as Hobbsee said), a small tweak for urgency= in debian/changelog, time spent in the queue, and whether it's a private build
[15:40] <cjwatson> maxb: language packs are scored right to the bottom, and builds in rebuild archives only slightly above that
[15:42] <geser> oh, urgency is used within Ubuntu? I thought it wasn't used for anything
[15:43] <cjwatson> it's a tiny weighting compared to everything else
[15:43] <cjwatson> so it doesn't make much difference unless the queue is huge
[15:43] <cjwatson> (I didn't know it was used either until I went and looked at the code :-) )
[15:55] <NCommander> cjwatson, wow, thats news for me?
[15:55] <NCommander> cjwatson, I assume it recongizes low, medium, high, critical, emergency?
[17:42] <cjwatson> NCommander: yes, with critical==emergency. There's only five points of difference between each
[18:04] <l3dx> isn't there a "help wanted" section on launchpad?
[20:05] <yarko> launchpad source server down?
[20:30] <tritium> Good day.  It appears my @ubuntu.com email address forwarding isn't working properly.  Is this a launchpad issue?
[20:35] <tritium> My apologies.  It appears I need to contact #canonical-sysadmin.
[20:36] <Uatschitchun> Hi
[20:36] <Uatschitchun> I can't connect to http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~team-mms/mms/
[20:36] <Uatschitchun> There's a "try again" ?!
[20:38] <stdin> loggerhead probably needs a kicking
[20:52] <Uatschitchun> stdin: who can kick loggerhead?
[20:53] <stdin> not sure, it's a weekend so not many people at work
[20:59] <nhandler> Is the +contactuser page working yet? I get an Oops! Error ID: OOPS-1023EB115 when I try to use it.
[21:29] <_Andrew> How long does bzr upgrade take over sftp?
[21:29] <_Andrew> because mines been going for ages now
[21:30] <cody-somerville> It can take quite awhile
[21:38] <_Andrew> So it's not borked then?
[21:38] <_Andrew> It's been around an hour
[21:56] <jill_manners> on your website, you invited suggestions to improve launchpad. well here's mine : get rid of cristoph korn. he has broken THOUSANDS of ubuntu/kubuntu installations with his half-baked, broken "packages"
[22:26] <xtophe> good evening
[22:27] <xtophe> i'm having trouble getting http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~motumedia/vlc/ubuntu/annotate/35?file_id=400_enable_embedded_-20081015162853-od5iuhcn7f4o0pq1-1
[22:27] <xtophe> and so report here as indicated
[22:27] <beuno> xtophe, what's the problem?
[22:28] <xtophe> beuno: ah it works now
[22:28] <xtophe> it wasn't 30 mins ago
[22:28] <xtophe> sorry for the noise
[22:28] <beuno> xtophe, did it time out?
[22:31] <xtophe> beuno: i was getting sth like "sorry unavailable. retry in 5 min and report on irc" with firefox and a 503 with wget
[22:32] <beuno> xtophe, it's a known problem with performance, but I'll look into it
[22:34] <xtophe> beuno: no problem. I watch a movie in the meantime and now it works
[22:39] <mdke> pushing seems very slow here suddenly
[22:43] <mdke> my bad, dodgy internet connection
[22:50] <lfaraone> Hey, any idea why https://edge.launchpad.net/~flossmanuals/+archive is only building for i386?
[22:51] <cjwatson> architecture: all?
[22:51] <cjwatson> surely as it should be for a -docs packages
[22:51] <cjwatson> package
[22:52] <cjwatson> yes, it's building _all.deb. It's working fine then. If you want a package to build on each architecture separately (and for documentation packages you generally don't) then you want Architecture: any
[23:02] <lfaraone> cjwatson: ah, resolved-ish.