[04:19] <unfo> hi all.  Could someone running Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy) please volunteer to log into a text console such as tty1?  After you enter your username and password, does Ubuntu then tell you a web site you can go to for help?  If so, what is the entire line telling you how to get help?
[04:19] <wgrant> To access official Ubuntu documentation, please visit:
[04:19] <wgrant> http://help.ubuntu.com/
[04:19] <unfo> wgrant: thank you.
[04:19] <wgrant> (from sshing into a Hardy box)
[04:19] <unfo> good enough
[04:41] <unfo> wgrant:  I use Debian.  Thanks for confirming what the Ubuntu after-login message says for me.  I have now filed bug 285734.  In the new wording I chose inside my patch, I mentioned help.ubuntu.com.
[04:42] <wgrant> unfo: It makes no sense to put it in /etc/issue.
[04:43] <unfo> wgrant: then where?
[04:43] <wgrant> Not there. I'm not sure.
[04:43] <wgrant> But /etc/issue is wrong.
[04:43] <unfo> wgrant: why not /etc/issue?
[04:44] <wgrant> Hmmm, I guess if it is only used locally it's OK.
[04:45] <unfo> wgrant: what does "used locally" mean?
[04:45] <wgrant> unfo: It wouldn't be inconceivable that /etc/issue would be used for other login means.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> wgrant: ie, ssh'd in users will see it, and it would be wrong for them?
[04:45] <wgrant> Not just local ttys.
[04:45] <Nafallo> unfo: that it wouldn't make sense for people ssh'ing in ;-)
[04:45]  * Hobbsee ^5 Nafallo
[04:46] <unfo> wgrant, Nafallo, ah.  But unless someone can think of a better solution, I think /etc/issue is the best place to put it.
[04:46] <unfo> s/ wgrant/ Hobbsee
[04:55] <unfo> when I type "ssh localhost", my /etc/issue is *not* shown.  All I see is the following:
[04:56] <unfo> "Password: "
[04:56] <unfo> Could someone else try ssh'ing to a Ubuntu computer by a different way and tell me if /etc/issue is shown or not?
[04:56] <unfo> *please
[04:58] <Hobbsee> er, it only is if you uncomment #Banner /etc/issue.net
[04:59] <unfo> Hobbsee: so are you able to confirm that changing /etc/issue does not affect users who ssh in?
[04:59] <Hobbsee> seems so.
[05:00] <unfo> Hobbsee: thanks.  may I quote you by name like this?  "Hobbsee thought that /etc/issue might be shown when people ssh in, but it is not, unless you change the 'Banner; sshd setting."
[05:00] <unfo> s/;/'
[05:01] <wgrant> Agentless passive is better.
[05:01] <unfo> will use the agentless passive then.
[08:13] <techno_freak> do anyone remember the CD/DVD drive eject recloses tray and remounts media bug? I have a duplicate for it
[08:18] <Treenaks> techno_freak: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/283316 ?
[08:18] <techno_freak> Treenaks, thanks :)
[08:18] <Treenaks> techno_freak: np
[08:18] <Treenaks> techno_freak: it works with CDs as well, for me :)
[08:19] <Treenaks> or :(, actually
[08:20] <techno_freak> Treenaks, ya, i got the same thing reported and hence marking it as duplicate
[08:20]  * Treenaks likes the 'Me too!' marking
[08:21] <techno_freak> ya, am commenting it on the bug that the reporter can mark "me too" on the parent bug
[08:34] <G__81> Hi I am new to this team just joined the bug squad team in launch Pad. I am new or a prospective Ubuntu Developer :). I have been contributing to fedora and i want to get into ubuntu development
[08:40] <techno_freak> G__81, if you want to focus on development and packaging, #ubuntu-motu might be a place of interest
[08:41] <G__81> i have not done packaging so i might be more interested in bug fixing/triaging to start off with
[08:45] <techno_freak> G__81, welcome, the wiki links in /topic might be a good place to start ;)
[08:45] <G__81> thanks techno_freak
[08:46] <techno_freak> :)
[08:46] <G__81> and are you anjan by any chance ? :)
[08:46] <techno_freak> G__81, no, not me
[08:46] <G__81> so are you parthan ?
[08:46] <G__81> :)
[08:47] <techno_freak> G__81, yes
[08:47] <G__81> oh ! :)
[08:47] <G__81> nice to meet you :)
[08:48] <techno_freak> :)
[08:48] <G__81> is this the channel for 5 a day ?
[08:50] <techno_freak> you can ask it here too, if you have any qyestions
[08:50] <G__81> how do i start off with 5 a day
[08:51] <G__81> i have installed those 5 a day applet and the relevant stuff
[08:54] <G__81> hey be right back
[08:56] <G__81> hi techno_freak
[08:56] <G__81> had to reboot my system
[08:57] <G__81> ok can you help me setting up my account on LP have some questions if you dont mind
[10:59] <ciapsadm> Hi
[10:59] <ciapsadm> Typed Ctrl + Alt + esc and now I no longer show icons on the desktop
[10:59] <ciapsadm> What to do?
[11:00] <ciapsadm> I use Xfce
[11:01] <Hobbsee> ciapsadm: try #xubuntu
[11:01] <ciapsadm> Ok
[11:28] <G__81> Hi RainCT
[11:28] <RainCT> \o/
[11:29] <G__81> i ve to first reproduce it in Ibex is it ?
[11:29] <RainCT> yep
[11:30] <G__81> ok then i need ibex first its still downloading
[11:30] <G__81> :)
[11:31] <wgrant> RainCT, G__81: bug 285720 is probably because displayconfig-gtk no longer exists.
[11:34] <RainCT> wgrant: uhm.. right, but.. he shouldn't have a menu entry then
[11:36] <wgrant> RainCT: "
[11:36] <wgrant> I added Screens and Graphics to the main menu"
[11:36] <wgrant> Sounds like he did it manually?
[11:36] <RainCT> d'oh
[11:37] <RainCT> G__81: you can probably close that bug then
[11:38] <RainCT> btw, any clue about bug 285695?
[11:38] <G__81> is it RainCT great
[11:38] <G__81> RainCT, Let me do it
[11:41] <G__81> how do i close it
[11:41] <G__81> and whats the comment that i ve to give
[11:42] <RainCT> G__81: Status: Invalid, Comment: something like "Thanks for your bug report but this particular package is no longer in Ubuntu."
[11:43] <RainCT> G__81: btw, there are useful comment boilerplates on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Responses
[11:44] <RainCT> btw, if some bugsquad guy is around, I disagree with the "About an incorrect translation" text
[11:45] <G__81> RainCT, So if you say the bug is closed you set it to invalid ?
[11:45] <G__81> RainCT, What if the bug if fixed and passed everything and what state do you set that to ?
[11:46] <RainCT> (there are many communities were people shouldn't never just go to translations.launchpad.net and do something.. beside that they can't, because it would just be marked as a suggestion)
[11:46] <RainCT> G__81: if it's fixed mark it as "Fix Released", and explain that it's fixed in Intrepid
[11:47] <G__81> Oh ok
[11:47] <RainCT> G__81: but you've to be sure that it's really fixed.. there are some bugs which can't be reproduced by everyone
[11:47] <G__81> i am just trying to install Hardy in Qemu but not able to :(
[12:10] <G__81> RainCT, Closed the bug :)
[12:19] <RainCT> G__81: Great :)   The last sentence is a bit confusing, though
[12:24] <G__81> RainCT, I ve triaged my first bug :)
[12:27] <RainCT> G__81: great :)
[12:27] <G__81> RainCT, when will the karma get updated
[12:28] <G__81> was curious to see that it has not happened
[12:29] <RainCT> G__81: not sure, I think it's recalculated once a day
[12:30] <G__81> oh ok Ibex is downloading and i have installed Virtual Box
[12:30] <G__81> so should start on testing Ibex packages by today
[14:36] <mnemo> how can I get a stacktrace out of a hung python application?
[14:47] <RainCT> mnemo: uhm.. you can't, only if it crashes
[14:48] <techno_freak> mnemo, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace
[15:23] <RainCT> techno_freak: oh, cool. although I'm not sure about how useful that is :P
[15:23] <RainCT> (at least for python apps)
[15:24] <techno_freak> RainCT, ya, i haven't tried it at python apps, but anyways
[15:30] <ByteJuggler> hello all
[15:30] <ByteJuggler> :)
[15:31] <ByteJuggler> anyone alive?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[15:32] <ByteJuggler> hehe, ok ok didn't want to be rude... but you're right I have another question
[15:33] <ByteJuggler> for reference, I'm testing Intrepid and I've "imported" 2 accounts from the windows partitino
[15:34] <ByteJuggler> It's done a number of interesting things, which I'm not sure whether they qualify as bugs (and whether I should report them as seperate issues or as one)
[15:34] <ByteJuggler> and against which project (ubiquity I'd imagine)
[15:34] <ByteJuggler> firstly, there were 2 accounts
[15:35] <ByteJuggler> but it's not actually created a corresponding account for the 2 on ubuntu
[15:35] <ByteJuggler> (aside: the account username of one of the accounts is the same as the one I created on intrepid on installation)
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> the installer however imported the desktop picture on the other windows account
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> (that may be because there was no desktop on the matching account)
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> secondly re the import
[15:36] <ByteJuggler> no files on the desktop was actually imported, only the files in the My Documents folder
[15:37] <ByteJuggler> that may be ok but it might confuse users who save files (temporarily? permanently?) on their desktop
[15:37] <ByteJuggler> so, my question: which package do I report against?
[15:37] <ByteJuggler> which of these issues qualify as bugs and which as feature enhancements/requests
[15:38] <ByteJuggler> if need be, just tell me to go read the blueprints on launchpad
[15:38] <ByteJuggler> (I'm just also trying to avoid wasting my own time unnecesarily)
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I think it should import files on the Desktop, but you can ask in #ubuntu+1, which are the people testing Intrepid
[15:39] <ByteJuggler> ah ok, sorry so I'm in the wrong channel lol
[15:39] <charlie-tca> I'd report it against ubuntu-migration-assistant
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Only wrong for part of it
[15:41] <ByteJuggler> ok thanks... :)
[15:44] <charlie-tca> np
[15:50] <charlie-tca> ByteJuggler: If you need to ask a question and a channel is busy, just ask anyway. Someone will
[15:51] <charlie-tca> usually answer. Most of us are working on stuff, and don't always see right away.
[16:58] <bucket529> bug 285499 is a packaging request. Debian has it, but it seems like the build failed when Ubuntu tried to pick it up. I don't see any further work on it since then....So should it be Wishlist?
[17:00] <sroecker> I also like to have root
[17:01] <sroecker> couldn't create a deb file, it always complains about unuran stuff
[17:05] <sroecker> cool, didn't know someone uploaded it
[17:05] <james_w> bucket529: I've retitled the bug to reflect the actual issue
[17:07] <bucket529> james_w: Thanks
[18:24] <kirrus> what is the bug announce channel nowadays?
[18:26] <nellery> kirrus: #ubuntu-bugs-announce
[18:27] <kirrus> thanks nellery
[18:43] <bucket529> seb128: Thanks for the feedback. Good way to learn
[18:44] <seb128> bucket529: hi, what feedback?
[18:45] <bucket529> seb128: Feedback on bug 231280, bug 216660, bug 260766
[18:45] <seb128> bucket529: ah, you use different nicknames on irc and launchpad so I was not sure that was you ;-)
[18:45] <seb128> bucket529: you're welcome
[18:47] <james_w> hey seb128
[18:47] <seb128> hello james_w
[18:47] <james_w> thanks for fixing gst-plugins-good0.10
[18:49] <seb128> james_w: not sure that's a "fix", some people commented saying  the other upload was making it work again for them
[18:49] <james_w> heh :-)
[18:50] <seb128> james_w: but yeah, slangasek sent me a mail saying the patch was dropped yesterday when he approved the upload so it was on my todo
[18:51] <seb128> james_w: do you know who is looking at those bugs btw? I'm not sure why we use v4l there and some users setup are broken due to that
[18:51] <james_w> kees and lool are the best people to ask I think, they will probably know where to start
[18:52] <seb128> ok, will ping them tomorrow
[18:52] <seb128> I don't intend to work too much today ;-)
[19:11] <bucket529> bug 172384 - No Package/New/Undecided, 10 months old. Assigned to The Dell Team. No comments. Should it be assigned a package or priority or something?
[19:19] <bucket529> Found a pile of old bugs like bug 202821, upgrades to Hardy (yep, Hardy) lose their previously automounted disks. Is there a clever answer and marking that I should give these? Or are they all dupes of a single I should link to?
[19:24] <mrooney> bucket529: they could be dupes, if they seem to be I would mark them as dupes of the one with the most information and popularity
[19:25] <mrooney> anyone know if fglrx should work in Intrepid yet? I am not sure what to do with bug 286020
[19:28] <crimsun> mrooney: it works on an HP Pavilion I just tried
[19:28] <crimsun> mrooney: (I'm across the street from a Best Buy and popped in with a daily-live)
[19:32] <bucket529> mrooney: Thanks
[19:35] <greg-g> crimsun: thats an awesome idea, use the demo computers at retails to do hardware testing. you're brilliant!
[19:36] <rrittenhouse> crimsun: very nice idea :P
[19:37] <crimsun> greg-g: I've been doing that for years for sound driver development
[19:38] <greg-g> thats awesome
[19:38] <rrittenhouse> crimsun: do they complain?
[19:39] <crimsun> rrittenhouse: no employee has ever rebuked me [yet]
[19:39] <rrittenhouse> very cool
[19:39] <crimsun> granted, I know generally how the procedure goes, since I've worked there and at CompUSA
[19:40] <rrittenhouse> nice. btw great talk @ linuxfest.
[19:40] <crimsun> thanks
[19:43] <rrittenhouse> hopefully my audio goes well im using ubuntu on a mac mini. I'm streaming audio from a candidate forum as we speak.
[19:43] <rrittenhouse> so far so good :P
[19:56] <mrooney> rrittenhouse: is that talk online anywhere?
[19:56] <mrooney> I do love talks
[19:57] <rrittenhouse> yeah
[19:58] <rrittenhouse> http://www.whiznews.com/liveforum.php
[19:58] <rrittenhouse> mrooney: i should talk with you so we can compare notes
[20:11] <alex_mayorga1> hello all, anyone that might help me file the follow up bug report for this please https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/124159/comments/122
[20:35] <alex_mayorga> I filed https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bugs/286071 as a follow u, can somebody take a look in case I missed something?
[20:42] <crimsun> sec
[20:45] <crimsun> alex_mayorga: looks okay.  Which version of the firmware was extracted?
[21:10] <ronj> hello
[21:10] <nhandler> Hello ronj
[21:11] <ronj> I have resume issues after suspend/hibernate since some recent intrepid update. All Intel, worked fine in earlier builds. There are so many similar issues I don't know where to start. How can I help?
[21:12] <ronj> avec et sans compiz
[21:12] <ronj> whoops sorry. with and without compiz
[21:25] <ronj> ok that seems to be gnome-screensav segfaulting. result: I'm stuck at the screensaver instead of having a login screen as soon as I action kb|mouse
[21:26] <alex_mayorga> crimsun: how do I tell?
[22:32] <ronj> hello, I've filed #286127 about gnome-screensaver segfaulting. I think that's an interesting one because the bad behaviour is triggered incidentally in cases of suspend/resumes, which means badly diagnosed bugs. I found 3 such bugs that were closed because of missing info
[22:32] <ronj> could somebody check it out before I upstream it?
[22:50] <danage> what is the appropriate launchpad package to report a bug in network manager in intrepid?
[22:51] <Nafallo> danage: network-manager I'd assume.
[22:53] <danage> i found it, thanks