[00:00] <calc> hmm it can't find the oops yet
[00:00] <calc> er via that url
[00:00] <wgrant> Ah, I guess you might be able to do something useful there with your credentials.
[00:00] <wgrant> You'll need to wait up to 5 minutes for it to appear there.
[00:02] <calc> well i have access to it, it just said nothing was there yet
[00:02] <wgrant> calc: It's probably worth seeing if you can see it now.
[00:02] <calc> oh its there now
[00:02] <wgrant> I think it's on */5.
[00:02] <calc> says TimeoutError
[00:02] <wgrant> Oh dear.
[00:02] <wgrant> It's reproducible?
[00:02] <calc> yes
[00:03] <calc> every time i have tried to do it oops on me
[00:03] <wgrant> Over how long has it been doing this?
[00:03] <calc> today
[00:03] <calc> at least 2-3 hr i would guess
[00:03] <wgrant> Lovely.
[00:03] <calc> i've tried it probably 4-5 times for that one bug
[00:03] <wgrant> I wouldn't have thought that would be a particularly DB-heavy operation, really.
[00:03]  * persia suspects it to be ~ 12 hours
[00:03] <calc> i have to leave now though, headed out to school reunion
[00:04]  * calc bbl
[00:55] <Hobbsee> LimCore: please keep all discussions about the US, and patents, away from ubuntu development channels.  We have a release to do, and do not need you soapboxing.  If i see you do again, you'll get a holiday from both here and -motu.
[03:05] <jtisme> how do i mount internal floppy in 8.10  automount not in fstab
[03:05] <Hobbsee> jtisme: this isn't a support channel.
[03:05] <jtisme> ok thanks
[04:03] <pwnguin> i wonder if bootchart should be saving pngs instead of svg
[04:05] <pwnguin> i've got like 150 megs of bootcharts since dapper
[04:06] <pwnguin> it would be neat to graph out the trajectory of boot speed over time, but that'd be hard with pngs =(
[05:40] <NCommander> StevenK, now that I see linux-lpia in the queue, does that mean we're making progress?
[05:43] <NCommander> StevenK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux-lpia-meta/+bug/284368 - want me to tackle this?
[05:44] <StevenK> NCommander: No, it's fine
[05:45] <wgrant> calc: You should be able to approve that nomination now that LP is fixed.
[05:46] <NCommander> StevenK, know any good RC bugs that could use a hand?
[05:47] <NCommander> StevenK, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/linux-ports/+bug/213668 - if I cook a patch for this, would upload? (the fix was already SRUed, it simply needs to be repeated for Intrepid)
[05:57] <calc> wgrant: ok, just got back home
[06:07] <ScottK> StevenK or slangasek: Would you please accept libspf2.  I have one rdepend I need to upload for a rebuild after it's built/published (this is the one we discussed at the last release meeting).
[06:08] <StevenK> I'm no release team member
[06:09] <ScottK> Ah.  Right.  Got the roles confused.  Sorry abou that.
[06:09] <slangasek> StevenK: it's in universe though, and ScottK /is/ motu-release, so he's allowed to ask archive folks directly for approvals :)
[06:09] <StevenK> Fair enough
[06:10] <slangasek> I'll grab it in a sec, anyway
[06:10] <StevenK> slangasek, ScottK: Accepted
[06:11] <ScottK> StevenK: Thanks.
[06:11] <ScottK> slangasek: I'll have a Main upload I can ask you about here in a few minutes.  Just so you don't feel left out ...
[06:11] <StevenK> Hehe
[06:11] <slangasek> :-)
[06:11] <NCommander> StevenK, did you get an ack from ubuntu-release on linux-lpia?
[06:15] <StevenK> NCommander: Yes, it's building.
[06:15] <NCommander> YAY
[06:15] <NCommander> that makes me happy
[06:26] <ScottK> slangasek: Would you please accept kdebase.  Its a two line patch and it makes it so you can actualy create a working new user via KDE.
[06:26] <ScottK> There.  Now it's even.
[06:28] <slangasek> kdebase, or kdeadmin?
[06:29] <ScottK> slangasek: Bah.  Right.  kdeadmin.  Sorry.
[06:29] <slangasek> done
[06:29] <ScottK> slangasek: Thanks.
[09:45] <pochu> slangasek: thanks for the sponsorship!
[10:18] <lool> persia: only seeing your question now and lastlog is short
[10:18] <lool> yeah I care to upload linux-lpia
[11:57] <pzn> I'd like to report a wishlist bug: when screen is locked, the keyboard buttons volume-up volume-down suspend and some others could work without unlocking the screen. to which package should I post this kind of wishlist?
[11:59]  * RainCT doesn't know but thinks that that's a nice idea :)
[12:00] <ogra> there is a bug already somewhere
[12:00] <ogra> a quite old one
[12:00] <ogra> look for "media keys" among the gss bugs
[12:00] <ogra> (gss -> gnome-screensaver)
[12:24] <pzn> ogra: thanks
[13:05] <zul> 2cheeks
[13:27] <scuser> how to redirect simple bind authentication is redirected to saslauthd ?
[13:28] <scuser> how to redirect simple bind authentication to saslauthd ?
[13:29] <james_w> release team: bug 269651 isn't release targeted, but it has a lot of subscribers and duplicates, and is a pain for those who get hit, as they lose some desktop functionality until they restart their session. Would you accept and upload of my proposed patch to fix it?
[13:33] <jspiro> hi all.  Idea:  the desktop editions of *buntu should check at startup if the computer's clock is way off.  If it is, it should automatically retrieve the correct time using Internet time service.
[13:34] <NCommander> jspiro, submit it to brainstorm
[13:34] <cjwatson> ntpdate is already in minimal
[13:34] <jspiro> NCommander:  i will file a bug.  but wait, there's more
[13:34] <cjwatson> and comes with an /etc/network/if-up.d/ script
[13:34] <cjwatson> if that isn't working, it's a bug, not an "idea"
[13:34] <Hobbsee> i wonder if that's compatible with the new NM world order.
[13:34] <jspiro> cjwatson:  ah, i didn't know my idea was already implemented.  thanks for pointing that out :)
[13:35] <cjwatson> yes, I don't know what NM does with /etc/network/if-up.d/, if anything
[13:36] <jspiro> cjwatson, Hobbsee, I am going to irc.gnome.org to ask.  (Btw I am the same person as "unfo".  I have registered both nicks.)
[13:37] <Hobbsee> jspiro: wouldn't be that hard to test out, actually.
[13:37] <jspiro> I don't have network-manager installed on this PC.  It is a Debian PC with KDE.
[13:37] <jspiro> (I got my idea when my hacker friend told me about a computer with noob owner whose clock was wrong, and the owner kept getting Firefox "certificate not yet valid" errors.  I suspect it was a Windows computer.)
[13:40] <jspiro> cjwatson, Hobbsee, http://kutuma.blogspot.com/2007/11/changing-default-gateway-using-network.html seems to me to *probably* imply that network-manager executes if-up.d scripts.
[13:41]  * Hobbsee eyes cjwatson
[13:41] <jspiro> Hobbsee: why did you eye him? :)
[13:42] <cjwatson> (connection fixed)
[13:43] <Hobbsee> oh, finally
[13:43] <Hobbsee> wonder why she didn't come to -ops and tell us that.
[13:43] <cjwatson> don't know, she /msged me for help
[13:43] <Hobbsee> ah well.  guess i'll find out soon :)
[13:44] <Hobbsee> (and hurrah for sucky connections!)
[13:45] <cjwatson> jspiro: implies that, in that particular release of Ubuntu, if-up.d scripts were executed when using network-manager
[13:45] <cjwatson> that could be due to NM indirecting through something that executed them, rather than executing them itself. At any rate this is speculation; somebody should check.
[13:47] <jspiro> cjwatson: ok I will ask in channel #nm (it's right here on Freenode)
[13:47] <jspiro> what should i ask?
[13:49] <jspiro> all : how's this?  "Do all versions of NetworkManager always run the scripts in if-up.d at every bootup?"
[13:49] <cjwatson> no, you should try it
[13:49] <cjwatson> on current Ubuntu
[13:49] <jspiro> cjwatson: all I have is 8.04
[13:49] <jspiro> I don't have a wireless card
[13:49] <cjwatson> please don't ask network-manager upstream how network-manager behaves in Ubuntu
[13:49] <cjwatson> it's inappropriate and will just annoy people
[13:49] <jspiro> cjwatson: ah.  fair
[13:49] <jspiro> is 8.04 and no wireless card good enough for testing?
[13:49] <cjwatson> I have no idea
[13:49] <jspiro> oh btw we forgot modem users
[13:50] <cjwatson> perhaps somebody else will have some time to help out
[13:50] <jspiro> I wonder if modem users' PCs run if-up.d scripts at login time
[13:50] <jspiro> *ppp_up time
[13:56] <Hobbsee> james_w: that probably should be release targetted.
[13:56]  * Hobbsee pokes it
[13:57] <james_w> thanks
[14:12] <jspiro> someone in #kde-devel said I am being annoying.  am I?
[14:12] <jspiro> *was I
[14:12] <jspiro> I mean was I here
[14:13] <RainCT> heh
[14:13] <jspiro> RainCT: I mean was I annoying here before I corrected myself twice :)
[14:14] <RainCT> dunno, I wasn't reading :)
[14:24]  * Hobbsee mutters at nutcases on planet
[14:25] <Hobbsee> yeah, really, 11 days before release is a *great* time to decide to start a spec to get mono out of intrepid.  not!
[14:25] <sebner> Hobbsee: PATENZ FUD
[14:26] <Hobbsee> sebner: probably.  I'm just stunned people still want to make contraversial changes like that at this point...
[14:26] <jspiro> Hobbsee:  I have no clue if mono is good or bad.  But are they saying it should be removed from *Intrepid*?
[14:26] <sebner> Hobbsee: well, maybe some think. let's discuss and 2 days later everthing is fine and finished
[14:27] <Hobbsee> jspiro: yup.
[14:27] <Hobbsee> sebner: yay, clueless people! But yes.
[14:27] <jspiro> Hobbsee: oh :(
[14:27] <NCommander> Hobbsee, link?
[14:28] <Hobbsee> NCommander: planet ubuntu
[14:28] <jspiro> IMO someone official should tell them there is no point trying to get it removed from Intrepid because the release is too soon.
[14:29] <Hobbsee> jspiro: i've already done that...
[14:32] <jspiro> Hobbsee: ah, I see your comment at http://gquigs.blogspot.com/2008/10/language-leadership-i-actually-gave-up.html#c5045436021106559200 - it was kind of you to do that.  I wonder what the original poster will respond.  :)
[15:18] <scuser> hi all, I've disabled simple authentication using the configuration "security simple_bind=64" in the slapd.conf, but the system refuses to login although I can obtain tickets for the same user which I'm trying to login with and that user is in the ldap database and I can login using it when the binding method is simple; here is what kerberos logs produces http://paste.ubuntu.com/59709/ any...
[15:18] <scuser> ...help please ?
[15:39] <geser> scuser: this is not a support channel, please try #ubuntu
[16:41] <kirkland> slangasek: hiya, could you please review the patch attached to https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+source/ecryptfs-utils/+bug/272232
[16:42] <kirkland> slangasek: it fixes both 272232 and bug #259293
[16:42] <kirkland> slangasek: jdstrand has reviewed it, and I have incorporated his suggestions and tested it
[16:45] <jdstrand> kirkland: did you see my comment about decrement()?
[18:27] <lfaraone> Hey, kinda important bug (from a legal standpoint): bug 285469
[18:33] <sroecker> I need help with bug 250425, it's actually a gcc bug
[18:37] <james_w> lfaraone: hey, please ask if they restarted firefox after the upgrade.
[18:38] <james_w> lfaraone: or do you see it too?
[18:44] <RainCT> I guess the nominations on bug #268996 can be rejected
[18:48] <lfaraone> james_w: I see it too.
[18:48] <lfaraone> Oh, and what's the best way to package docs in docbook format? (where do I put them in the FS)
[18:48] <lfaraone> (for use with Yelp and the kde help ssytem)
[19:12] <drH0use> perchè è sconsigliato installare oo3?
[19:37] <cjwatson> lfaraone: thanks - marking as release-critical
[19:52] <lfaraone> cjwatson: thanks.
[21:44] <a11en> I need to load my network card to ubuntu, but I don't have the driver-cd. Is there anyway I can pack it up on Vista and since Ubuntu is on the same partition reach into the backup file and load it that way?
[21:46] <ScottK> a11en: Support is in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 (for Intrepid).
[22:20] <ogra> mumble ....
[22:20] <ogra> why did my webcam vanish
[22:31] <james_w> ogra: a gspca one?
[22:32] <ogra> james_w, uvcvideo
[22:33] <ogra> but it seems to be simply gone
[22:33] <ogra> nothing shows it anymore
[22:33] <james_w> ah, ok, that I know nothing about
[22:33] <ogra> not even if i load the module its discovered
[22:33] <directhex> not in lsusb?
[22:33] <ogra> its really weird
[22:33] <ogra> nope
[22:33] <ogra> not even there
[22:33] <directhex> then it's just plain not detected
[22:33] <ogra> if the laptop wouldnt be that new i would think its actually broken
[22:33] <directhex> shows up plugged into a different pc?
[22:34] <ogra> its integrated in the LCD :)
[22:34] <directhex> oh. um... rebooting doesn't help? nothing in dmesg about attempted usb handshakes?
[22:34] <ogra> it worked in hardy beta and thats actually when i used it last time
[22:35] <ogra> i would have thought i dreamed i used it but there are stored pics and test movies in cheese :)
[22:35] <ogra> and i just tried to use it again on friday
[22:35] <ogra> so i dont even know when it vanished
[22:36] <directhex> it might be fluke that it's not working now - the lack of metion on lsusb is serious. much moreso than nothing from uvcvideo
[22:36] <directhex> it should show up on lsusb even if there are 0 drivers
[22:36] <ogra> i know
[22:37] <ogra> i'm not sure though it is even attached to usb ...
[22:38] <ogra> it might be attached to some PCI bus, ot to the internal firewire
[22:39]  * ogra makes a note to store lspci and lsusb next time he buys a new system
[22:41] <ogra> lshal obviously shows an unknown button with info.product=Video Bus
[22:42] <ogra> (no its not the lid switch)
[22:43] <ogra> and apparently hal decided to apply keyboard settings and evdev to it because it has button in its input.capabilities
[22:44] <stgraber> ogra: and you have it working when botting an hardy livecd ?
[22:44] <ogra> no
[22:44] <ogra> thats the fun
[22:44] <stgraber> did you do a BIOS update recently ? (sounds like broken ACPI)
[22:44] <ogra> nope
[22:45] <ogra> and the BIOS has no option to switch the cam on or off
[22:45] <ogra> the hardware is like i bought it, didnt change a thing
[22:46] <ogra> and the most funny thing is:
[22:46] <ogra> ogra@osiris:~$ lshal|grep camera
[22:46] <ogra>   access_control.type = 'camera'  (string)
[22:47] <stgraber> yeah ...
[22:47] <ogra> ... belongs to a
[22:47] <ogra> udi = '/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/fuse'
[22:47] <ogra>   access_control.file = '/dev/fuse'  (string)
[22:47] <ogra>   access_control.type = 'camera'  (string)
[22:47] <ogra> :P
[22:47] <stgraber> I also have this one but I have no camera in my laptop
[22:47]  * ogra doesnt really get why fuse is access_control.type = 'camera'
[22:48] <ogra> might be a libgphoto thing though
[22:48] <stgraber> yes, so that also means your system doesn't see your webcam at all (as I also get that on a system without a webcam)
[22:49] <ogra> i think the unknown button attached to the video bus with keymap settings applied might be the cam though
[22:49] <ogra> well
[22:50] <ogra> have a look at that device
[22:50] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu.com/59880/
[22:51] <stgraber> ogra: I have the same here :(
[22:51] <ogra> oh
[22:51] <stgraber> ogra: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59881/
[22:51] <stgraber> except the keyboard layout is fr_CH and not de_DE :)
[22:51] <ogra> i dont get why hal applies keymap and friends to it ... it shouldnt
[22:52] <ogra> yeah
[22:52] <stgraber> well, in my case I'm sure it's not a webcam so I don't quite get why hal would say "Video Bus" for a keyboard
[22:53] <ogra> yeah
[22:53] <ogra> do you have any special buttons ?
[22:54] <ogra> i have two, one for rotation of the touchscreen and one as a virtual mouse button if i use the convertible tablet mode
[22:54] <stgraber> I have some multimedia things (sound level, mute, information center (?) and presentation) but these are mapped to standard keycodes
[23:11] <ogra> GEEEZ !!!!
[23:11]  * ogra found his camera
[23:11] <ogra> !!
[23:11] <stgraber> oh, where was it ? :)
[23:12] <ogra> hidden in an unnamed fn-F key sequence you can toggle its power on/off
[23:12] <stgraber> oh
[23:12] <ogra> there is no icon on the F10 key for it
[23:12] <ogra> i just fund the combo in the handbook
[23:13] <ogra> all other fn key sequences have a little blue icon on the F keys
[23:13] <stgraber> ogra: btw, what do you think of the MSI WInd ?
[23:13] <ogra> nice device
[23:14] <ogra> though i would invest the 150€ to get a clevo 120 :)
[23:14]  * ogra really really loves clevo lappies
[23:14] <ogra> stgraber, http://www.clevo.fr/index1.html
[23:15] <ogra> look at the tn129r
[23:15] <ogra> err
[23:15] <ogra> tn120r
[23:16] <stgraber> oh, looks good
[23:16] <stgraber> and cheap for that kind of device
[23:21] <ogra> thats waht i'm using atm :)
[23:21] <ogra> just know the webcam is switched on with fn+f10 :)
[23:21] <stgraber> :)
[23:22]  * ogra does a reboot to see if the module is detected properly
[23:29] <ogra> hmm, cheese doesnt really get along with it anymore
[23:29] <ogra> but ekiga does :)
[23:31] <ogra> hmm, gstreamer doesnt seem happy either
[23:36] <ogra> hrm
[23:39] <TheMuso> slangasek: re bug #273507, I'l look into adding the gconf schema referenced to our existing package. While the ubuntu theme doesn't have such sounds defined for windw actions, other themes that people use may.
[23:40] <TheMuso> pitti: Demoting festival is fine by me. As for flite, why do you want it in main? IMO its not needed, as espeak covers the vast majority of use cases.
[23:42] <james_w> ogra: make sure you have latest gstreamer-plugins-good0.10, an ubuntu2 one, the v4l patch was accidentally dropped in ubuntu1
[23:42] <ogra> james_w, i upgraded 1h ago
[23:42] <ogra> i think the latest came in there
[23:43] <ogra> but cheese doesnt show anyhing and locks up after a while