=== emma_ is now known as emma [00:08] Hello [00:09] Is there any way to install alternate xubuntu 8.10 from inside the regular xubuntu 8.04.1? [00:09] I dont have another blank cd that I know of.. [00:10] Back.. Did anyone answer? [00:21] could boot it on a USB stick instead of a CD SilentKiller [00:21] pretty sure it's possible, anyway [00:23] hmm [00:28] hey :D [00:29] greetings [00:29] ..just wondering how someone would change L2 cache configuration.. [00:31] any one home ? [00:36] I am, but with no idea what you're referring to nolochemical :P If it isn't a xubuntu specific question you might try the main channel (#ubuntu). More people around there [00:50] df--: thanks for the heads up heading over there now.. :) [01:17] Found a cd :) [01:17] Ok so I burned xubuntu 8.10 alternative cd.. [01:17] Using the burning program thats already installed on xubuntu.. [01:17] So now when I start up from cd.. I get a black screen with.. [01:18] boot: [01:18] Up in the top left corner.. [01:22] Anyone know what to do? === tuna-fish is now known as tuna [01:30] :) [01:30] :(* [01:34] Anyone? [01:52] Can anyone help me? [02:18] :) [02:18] :((( [02:18] :( [02:39] Does anyone know that name of that app people use in gnome for monitoring cpu, network etc. It sits on the task bar usually has 4 boxes [02:43] gkrellm ? [02:45] oh. in the task bar... then not gkrellm [02:48] http://www.gnome.org/~federico/misc/monitor-labels.png [02:49] Its in the bottom task bar in that screen shot [02:55] anyone able to play presentations on parleys.com using xubuntu and ff3.0.3? mine freeze after 2-3 seconds.... wondering if its a flex thing. [02:56] join #ubuntu [02:56] oops [04:36] hey everyone. i was just going to install xubuntu, and selecting 'install' brought me to a command prompt labelled (initramfs); anyone care to provide me with info on what i should read or do next? [04:38] i can't seem to find any information on installing xubuntu [04:40] is it practical to build Xubuntu on an Ubuntu machine and then install it over the top of the existing OS? [04:40] (I have an Ubuntu machine here with no optical drive) [04:45] * ball waves to emma_ === wormsxulla_ is now known as wormsxulla [04:58] hello. how can i stop the network manager from trying to connect to a network? i tried man network-manager, but found no manual [05:02] anyone know how to read through logs from the console? vim and nano don't seem to be accessible [05:07] william56 cat foo|less ? [05:07] thanks [05:08] you're welcome [07:44] Hello. I deleted Panel 2 from my new Xubuntu installation thinking it was workspace 2. How can I restore it? [07:45] The panel at the bottom of this image http://www.thecodingstudio.com/opensource/linux/screenshots/scaled/Xubuntu%208.04%20Hardy%20Heron%20LTS/7.gif [07:54] nm, got it [09:07] Hi, what you get cable from the network card you get back is not going, just after the restart give. [09:14] eehh... what? [09:20] ciapsadm, go to the system>network>unlock> and set dns and ip adress for your network card [09:26] OK [09:38] Do you guys have an FTP server that works for Xubuntu that is easy to install and understand? I have tried VSFTPD and GPROFTPD. [09:51] How do when I get on my Linux to automatically start an application? [09:51] For exemple: pidgin [09:52] ciapsadm, when logging out/etc. save a session with pidgin open [09:52] ciapsadm, there's a checkbox in the shutdown dialog [09:53] Woo, i use proftpd and it's quite straightforward [09:54] other possibility is to add a command to start it up with autostarted applications [09:55] but actually my pidgin starts automatically with each session as knome described [09:55] that way* [09:57] floating: How do I add to the autostart? [09:58] ciapsadm, settins>settings manager>autostarted apps [10:02] And in order that write to add Pidgin? [10:02] Write pidgin? [10:03] Knome: Is that the same I have? First it was whining that I did not have a certificate, but I had never enabled any SSL/whatever things. [10:03] Woo, i think gproftpd is different from proftpd [10:05] So... it is less g? ^^ [10:08] don't know [10:08] Xchat use and do not know how to do I automatically saved channels. [10:09] Every time I come in Xchat have to write / server and / join # xubuntu [10:10] ciapsadm, try asking #xchat [10:10] How do you get in my program automatically on the server and channel? [10:10] " sudo apt-get install vsftpd" how do i reverse this, and uninstall it? [10:10] Woo, sudo apt-get remove vsftpd [10:11] sudo apt-get --purge remove vsftpd [10:11] Ok [10:11] Woo, use TheSheep one ^ [10:11] TheSheep, hello sir [10:11] Thank you. [10:12] I blocked a program [10:12] How do you get? [10:12] what? [10:13] Amarok [10:13] ciapsadm, use synaptic to install? [10:13] No [10:13] Apt-get [10:13] ciapsadm, sudo apt-get install amarok ? [10:13] No [10:14] I blocked so amarok. [10:14] I do not want to install it, I want to get out of the program. [10:15] ciapsadm, right-click the amarok systray icon and select quit. [10:15] alt+ctrl+esc and then click on the program's window [10:17] Hey that is a nice thing in Linux... It killed the process that was running before it uninstalled it. I expected problems with it. :-) [10:17] i hate linux sometimes [10:18] after i have used it for awhile the love start to fade [10:18] and i dont pay attention to it [10:18] and some programs like firefox and one java program i use a lot are slower [10:21] floating: slower than what? [10:21] I pressed Ctrl + Alt + esc and now I no longer panels [10:21] on xubuntu that on windows xp [10:21] ciap lol [10:21] ciapsadm, alt+f2 > xfce4-panel [10:22] Not working [10:23] Says canot open display [10:27] ciapsadm, is your desktop working? [10:27] right-click on it and desktop settings [10:28] tehn behavior tab and select desktop menu on right click [10:28] then on right click open terminal from accesories [10:29] then run xfce4-panel & [10:39] tell me something interesting i could do with linux [10:39] Really learn your password [10:40] or send the signals from your mouse to your hard drive [10:40] i want to discover something new [10:40] floating, play bastet [10:46] Not working click right [10:48] puuh [10:48] Now go, but if you give it everything I restart occurs [10:49] I now appears panel, but I do not appear icons [10:50] What to do? [11:07] I gave everything and restart not working. [11:08] ciapsadm: do you have free space on your disk? [11:08] So I appear. [11:08] Yes [11:09] Since I gave Ctrl + Alt + esc to ruin [11:09] Right, I will try to install proftpd now. Does it have a GUI I can control it with? [11:10] If you give me xfce4 panel appears panels, but not programs. [11:10] Woo, no... ;) [11:10] ciapsadm, yes, that's the way it is supposed to work. [11:11] Ok, can I control it with something else? [11:11] Woo, config files [11:11] Woo, you are asked some basic info at installation [11:11] Even adding users? [11:12] Because all I want is something that lets me log in, upload and delete files so I can back up my documents from my laptop. I've spent hours with this. =/ [11:12] Woo, proftpd uses xubuntu users - you just give them permission or not to use ftp [11:12] Oh, does it? [11:13] yes [11:13] proftpd might be a bit overkill for your usecase though [11:13] do you have a lot to transfer? [11:13] ciapsadm: does it work when you create a new user? [11:14] TheSheep: I do not know [11:15] Well now, and what should I do? [11:15] Back to defend my desktop. [11:16] No, I have a 1,9GB disk I wanted to use for this. ^^ [11:16] What would you recomend? [11:17] I do not know [11:17] ciapsadm: alt+f2 and type 'xfdesktop' [11:19] So go see desktopu [11:19] But if you give restart no longer works: ( [11:22] If write-in terminal xfce4 panel and xfdesktop is still on track, unless removed from the terminal again not working [11:30] ciapsadm: try deleting your saed session from ~/.cache/sessions/ [11:31] ciapsadm: just delete all files from that directory [11:32] Woo, you might try ssh. the transfer is slower because of the encryption, but set up is easier [11:32] Yes, I xfdesktop to add applications to start and we've added xfce4-panel and now everything goes well, that at first [11:34] Knome: Alright, is it anything like FTP? What software would you recomend for it? And proftpd would not install: http://bildr.no/view/273104. [11:35] !ssh [11:35] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [11:36] hmm... [11:36] !ftp [11:36] FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd [11:36] !ftpd [11:36] FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: PureAdmin, GProftpd (for GNOME), KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP [11:47] Thank you very much, now go [11:48] Without adding to autostarted [11:48] I deleted those now in session and go;) [12:21] hello everyone [12:21] Is there anyone here to help me? [12:22] Tell problem [12:23] Can you help me [12:23] Ok [12:23] you want me to tell the problem? [12:24] I have a gnome default setup, but i prefer the xfce window manager. However, when i select a session that is not gnome (same thing happened with flux) i get booted out after about 30-60 mins. Its weird. How can I troubleshoot? Dmesg? Anything i should search for? [12:44] booted out = exactly? [12:45] drowner: in what way does it happen? [12:45] everything stops [12:45] and, its back to log in [12:45] so, the kernel doesn't stop - just the WM, it seems [12:46] that sounds like the xserver gets an error and crashes [12:46] try to look thru /var/log/Xorg* [12:49] cool [12:49] i'm in xfce now [12:49] so, if it happens, goodbye, and thanks for all the fish :D [12:50] i'll have a squizz there if i get booted again [12:51] btw. try to edit the scripts that starts your session, and make it write the errors to file [12:52] good idea [12:52] lets say i wanted to do that [12:52] how would i do that ;) ? [12:53] the scripts are located in /usr/share/xsessions/ [12:53] your one would likely be xfce.desktop [12:53] there is an exec part in that file [12:54] OK [12:54] that is the script that is run when you start the session [12:54] edit that one [12:54] (like edit the target script) [12:54] yeah [12:54] thanks [12:54] no problem :) [12:55] of course [12:55] now its not happening [12:56] yea, that's quite usual :) [12:56] unreproducable errors [12:57] damn you! [13:01] !ftpc [13:01] Sorry, I don't know anything about ftpc [13:01] !ftp [13:01] FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd [13:01] !lifeuniverseeverything [13:01] Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [13:02] !ftpd [13:02] FTP servers: ftpd, proftpd, pure-ftpd, twoftpd, vsftpd, MuddleFTPd, wzdftpd - Graphical front-ends: PureAdmin, GProftpd (for GNOME), KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP [13:10] Trying to learn Linux atm, I havent been this confused in a long time [13:10] BlueFriday: Any particular problems someone can help you with [13:11] It's just general stuff really. For example, I'm used to windows with installed programs ending up in C:\Program Files\ProgramName [13:11] In linux, do the files get split into all the different folders or how does it work? [13:12] BlueFriday, basically yes, binaries are most of the time in /usr/bin or /bin [13:13] BlueFriday, but you don't have to worry about file locations in linux once software is installed - the package manager keeps track of the files, that's synaptic (apt) in xubuntu [13:13] BlueFriday, and you usually can call the binaries from anywhere [13:13] alright [13:14] think of Synaptic Package Manager as Add/Remove programs, except better :) [13:14] Yeah I installed irssi, xchat and some other stuff [13:14] seems easy enough [13:15] debian is hot. === thunders1ruck is now known as gnomefreak [13:17] So much to read up on, seems really nice though [13:22] it will come [13:22] just use it [13:22] and it will come [13:22] i mean, it hasn't to me [13:22] but i assume it will [13:32] experimenting a bit. When instructions say that i should write PREFIX/bin/apachectl -k start, what does 'prefix' mean? [13:35] do you know where apachectl is? [13:36] No idea tbh, is there a way to check? I just installed through synaptic [13:36] (sorry for the stupid questions :F) [13:37] its proabably in either /bin/ [13:37] or /usr/bin [13:38] dude, i don't even know what i'm talking about [13:38] those instructions - are they just asking you to start a program a certain way? [13:38] pretty much [13:39] have you tried just saying 'apachectl -k start' [13:39] you don't usually have to put the /usr/bin in there [13:39] when you type a program, if its in bin or /usr/bin (which it will be) it will just run [13:40] wherever you are [13:40] if you have apache installed, it is started automatically at boot [13:40] ^indeed. I keep a photo album on a small server upstairs. Can view the pics via the Wii on the big TV :) [13:40] ah yes, "It Works" [13:42] I'm a bit confused though. What's the difference between /usr/bin/, /usr/local/bin and /bin/? [13:44] actually, nevermind, I'll stop pestering you guys and I'll use the power of google instead === TeXnicer_ is now known as TeXnicer [13:47] you'll get better answers in #ubuntu for general questions. More people hang around there, BlueFriday [13:48] alright, thanks [13:48] Xubuntu specific stuff like XFCE etc tend to be better answered here [13:49] and have fun learning. It's both frustrating and enjoyable ;) [13:51] yeah :) [14:39] Odd-rationale, PM me when you get up? [14:43] What program to use the web? [14:43] And to be god [14:44] [14:44] I use midori [14:46] ciapsadm, ? [14:46] What program to use the web? [14:46] Firefox, Midori...etc [14:47] firefox is pretty much the standard, although it's very heavy, epiphany is lighter and simpler, midori is not finished yet [14:47] default in x/ubuntu is firefox [14:47] there is also opera [14:48] and lynx [14:48] dillo, too [14:49] w3m [14:50] ciapsadm, plus....browsing is not the only thing you do with the web.... [14:50] * charlie-tca thinks too many choices [14:50] those were just a small sampling of browsers available [14:51] then there is email, chat clients, bittorrents....etc! [15:12] How do you lock your desktop? [15:13] ciapsadm: ctrl+alt+del i think is the default... [15:13] ciapsadm: you have to have xlock, xscreensaver, or gnome-screensaver for it to work though... [15:19] Did not find the package xlock [15:20] ciapsadm, xlockmore [15:20] or xlockmore-gl [15:22] Ok, now go [15:22] ;) [15:41] I deleted Firefox, but everything I have in the computer. [15:41] I used the command sudo apt-get purge firefox [15:42] And was not delete [15:42] ciapsadm, sudo apt-get remove --purge [app] [15:45] Not go :( [15:45] did you replace [app] with the application you wissh to remove? [15:47] Yes [15:48] did it claim to remove the meta-package firefox? [15:48] E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? [15:48] so ...close whatever application is using it (like synaptic) [15:50] did you even bother to read what the error said? [15:50] No [15:50] i can tell [15:50] I need a iceweasel [15:50] And not go sudo apt-get install iceweasel [15:52] that is because iceweasel is not in the repos [15:52] you will need to find the .deb for it and download it [15:55] And how shall. Deb? [15:55] On www.geticeweasel.org not find [15:56] ciapsadm, read this http://www.debianadmin.com/install-iceweasel-web-browser-in-debian-and-ubuntu.html [15:56] ALL of it [15:57] where it says "#wget...." it means "run wget as root" [15:57] what that means to you is replace "#" with "sudo " [15:58] Ok [15:59] ciapsadm, whenever you read instructions, "#" means "as root" and "$" means "as unprivleged user" [15:59] to run something as root in ubuntu, you use "sudo [command]" [16:00] vidd, there was an ubuntu tutorial later on that page anyway :P [16:01] knome, thats why i told hime to read it ALL [16:01] =] [16:01] yes :P [16:01] but that does explaining the # and $ unnecessary [16:01] uh [16:01] but i dont really expect him to [16:01] he should learn to read everything [16:02] pfft....he should learn to read [16:02] this way you'll end taking him to shower and telling him where the soap is and how to use it [16:02] he got an error b4 that dpkg was in use [16:02] and you DON'T want that [16:02] yes. [16:02] we shouldn't give obvious user support... [16:03] but tell them to read properly and try to learn things by themselves [16:03] yesterday i told him i wasnt going to go to his house and install his graphics card for him [16:03] yes ;) [16:03] exactly [16:03] it's better to teach users to understand what is going on [16:04] rather than just rushing out commands for them [16:04] well usually at least. [16:04] ciapsadm@Ciapsa:~$ sudo dpkg -i iceweasel_1.5.0.8pre-2.deb [16:04] dpkg: cu privire la iceweasel_1.5.0.8pre-2.deb conținând iceweasel: [16:04] hunspell-en-us în conflict cu iceweasel (<< 2.0.0.3-2) [16:04] iceweasel (versiunea 1.5.0.8pre-2) este pe cale să fie instalat. [16:04] dpkg: eroare la procesarea iceweasel_1.5.0.8pre-2.deb (--install): [16:04] conflict între pachete - nu se instalează iceweasel [16:04] Erori întâlnite în timpul prelucrării: [16:04] iceweasel_1.5.0.8pre-2.deb [16:04] ciapsadm@Ciapsa:~$ iceweasel [16:04] bash: iceweasel: command not found [16:04] Block minodori and not paste to pastebin.ca [16:04] !past | ciapsadm [16:04] Sorry, I don't know anything about past [16:04] !paste | ciapsadm [16:04] ciapsadm: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic) [16:04] ciapsadm, did you read the output dpkg gave you? [16:05] goddamn it, ktorrent is messing with me. at first it tells me theres 4 hours left... then i have to logout and back in cuz of an error, and it's done... i know it can't be true so i remove it, but keep the data, and reload the .torrent, and it's starting over. [16:05] try 7 : http://l33k.wordpress.com/ Xubuntu based distro [16:05] !swear | bassboi [16:05] Sorry, I don't know anything about swear [16:05] Too bad :P [16:05] lol [16:05] !language [16:05] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [16:05] Ah ^.^ [16:05] mib_l33k, this is not an advertising (tv) channel [16:06] !language | vinnl [16:06] vinnl: please see above [16:06] LoL [16:06] smart bot [16:06] Heh, nice [16:06] sry [16:06] * charlie-tca nods [16:06] calm down people, plese. [16:07] anyone knows the BeOS Tracker ? [16:07] mib_l33k, what about it? [16:07] it had a nice right click context menu [16:08] I read and I give erroare when I do what I have read [16:08] enabled you to browse through your filesystem very easily [16:08] I would like to something like this in Thunar too [16:09] *to see [16:09] ciapsadm, can you translate the error you got into english then? [16:10] i believe the error is saying you have a version conflict...but i only speak/read english [16:11] Errors were encountered while processing: iceweasel_1.5.0.8pre-2.deb [16:11] ok... [16:11] you need to get a more up-to date version [16:12] methinks the latest version is 3.[something] [16:13] What should I do? [16:20] ciapsadm, http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel [16:23] Why a lion there, I find iceweasel [16:25] Here: Download iceweasel [16:25] Can not download [16:26] which link did you click? [16:26] Yes [16:26] ?? [16:27] I gave click [16:27] there are 11 different packages to choose from, based on what achetecure you are using.... [16:27] wich one did you click? [16:30] Yes [16:30] http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/a/aptitude/aptitude_0.4.4-4_i386.deb [16:30] And not find download [16:31] ciapsadm, why are you downloading aptitude ?! [16:32] knome, because he cant follow instructions or read [16:32] ciapsadm, isn't there anybody who can help you at #ubuntu-ro ? [16:34] ciapsadm, you chose i386 on the http://packages.debian.org/stable/web/iceweasel page [16:35] that brings you to http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/iceweasel/download [16:35] right? [16:39] Yes [16:39] then what did you click on? [16:42] ciapsadm, then what did you click on? [16:42] Yes [16:42] ciapsadm, I'd really give it a try in #ubuntu-ro if I were you [16:42] or are you just opening the pages as i get them and not bothering to read what the pages say? [16:42] Ok [16:44] how much performance do I lost running xubuntu through vmware btw [16:44] *lose [16:49] BlueFriday, that's not xubuntu specific [16:50] indeed [16:50] I suppose that would depend on how you configure VMWare [16:50]