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blizzzthe plasma feature to have different sets of widgets00:01
blizzzit's available in hardy with the packages from ppa00:01
blizzzusually, you click on the cashew, click on zoom out. there you can add, remove and pick your activity.00:03
blizzzif you know what i mean :D00:04
Riddellthat they were undiscoverable and confusing with virtual desktops00:11
blizzzin what way indifferent? they have a different aim compared to virtual deskop (plasmoids vs applications).00:14
Riddellit may not have been the right thing to do, but at the time I couldn't work out what it was ment to be for00:15
Riddelland now we're stuck with it00:15
RiddellI'll just blame seele :)00:15
blizzzhehe ;)00:16
blizzzis there a way for a user to make use of it ass backwards? by config files or so?00:18
RiddellI'm afraid it's just patched out in the code00:22
Riddellwhich is very bad practice00:22
blizzzoh-oh00:24
blizzzso it might be brought back in jaunty? or - if someone is able to hack it by himself - to patch the patch and compile it?00:26
a|wenRiddell: i think i've got hold of the release notes problem ... it's actually two problems: 1. the functions are being executed wrong 2. the BROWSER variable isn't set00:27
Riddella|wen: why is the BROWSER variable used?00:27
a|wenRiddell: we use xdg-open ... which uses the BROWSER variable00:28
a|wenRiddell: do you have a suggestion what to do? (don't like hardcoding it to konqueror that well after all)00:30
Riddellxdg-open should do something sensible without BROWSER00:31
Riddellworks here00:31
Riddellwithout $BROWSER00:31
a|wenisn't set or working here on my fresh install (3-4 days ago)00:34
Riddellxdg-open doesn't work?00:34
Riddelldoes this work?  kfmclient openURL http://google.com00:35
a|wenRiddell: it works as notmal user ... but we are root and uses su to run it as local user (and that fails)00:36
a|wenRiddell: kfmclient however works in that setup00:37
Riddellhrm00:39
Riddella|wen: well if kfmclient works you could change xdg-open to kfmclient00:40
a|wenRiddell: that looks to work ... i'll just try it in it's real environment on the live-cd also00:43
Riddellthanks00:44
a|wenRiddell: i suspect ubiquity it to be in bzr somewhere ... is it more convenient for you to simply get the patch when i've tested it to work?00:48
Riddella|wen: bzr branch lp:ubiquity should work00:49
Riddelledit; bzr commit; bzr push bzr+ssh://<user>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~awen/ubiquity/releasenotesfix00:49
a|weni'll push it there then, and give you a link00:50
Riddellsuper00:51
* ScottK notes that Bug #273489 was downgraded off of RC status. Perhaps that's premature.01:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 273489 in rosetta "Remaining Intrepid template approvals" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27348901:00
RiddellScottK: he did that last week on the rosetta project, which was very premature01:04
Riddellit's still open on ubuntu which is where it gets tracked by people01:04
ScottKRiddell: Yes, it's still open, but Medium and not High.01:04
RiddellScottK: feel free to fix that01:06
seelehmm.. someone pinged me but my history doesn't go back that far01:06
seeleoh.. maybe that was still the robertknight message01:07
blizzzseele: Riddell blamed you for killing acitivites in intrepid01:07
blizzz;)01:07
seelehey.. don't blame the designer on techie stuff01:07
seeleor do you mean the plasma desktop thing?01:08
Riddellremoving zoom out01:08
seeleit's still broken afaik01:08
seeleoh.. well it doesnt freaking work the right way yet01:08
seelewho was seriously complaining about that01:08
Riddellsee, I have a "do what seele says" policy for usability, if upstream complains, it's all her doing :)01:08
Riddellblizzz was01:09
ScottKRiddell: Fixed.01:09
blizzzhow is it not working? i experience some issues with dual screens, but thats it01:09
seeleah i see, "Riddell blamed you for killing acitivites in intrepid" -- another passive agressive :P01:09
Riddellhey!01:09
seelewho said i was talking about you? ;)01:10
seeleblizzz: to be fair, that was a decision made at 4.1.0, i see they've got background working better in 4.1.2.. but it still doesnt make sense how to navigate or configure them01:12
seelei've seem some people confusing them with the virtual desktops, but i dont know how widespread that is01:12
seeleand it is confusing how you can't configure an activity space until it is created.. and it's hard to fiure out how to create a new activity space01:13
blizzzseele: in fact, you have to get to know how to use it. but it is not that hard though laborious to zoom out and zoom in01:13
blizzzon the other site it's a terrific feature.01:14
blizzzhowever i understand that it was kinda buggy in 4.1001:14
a|wenRiddell: for you: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/ubiquity/releasenotesfix01:14
blizzzRiddell: what in fact is patched out? just the options provided by the cashew or every functions behind it?01:15
a|wenRiddell: please be aware that there already was an unreleased changelog entry so you might need to do some merge magic that suits01:15
seelehmm.. 227 emails and i've only been gone 48 hours.  busy weekend on the mailing lists01:16
Riddellblizzz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59931/01:17
ScottKa|wen: Any ideas on g-p-m and HAL.  I've not a clue how that could still be happening.01:17
txwikingerAre usb-drives not working on intrepid?01:17
blizzzRiddell: thanks01:18
Riddelltxwikinger: works for me01:18
ScottKI didn't try USB, but my SD Card works fine.01:18
txwikingerNot for me01:18
txwikingerI see it in lsusb01:18
blizzzworks for me too01:18
txwikingerbut it does not get picked up01:18
a|wenScottK: I'm pretty sure it happens since people do still use the beta-cd and get the crash on first upgrade ... the newest report confirms that he got it when upgrading g-p-m (eg. it wasn't the newest version)01:19
seeleblizzz: i really don't think it's something we need for intrepid, especially since not all of the functionality exists.  depending on what it looks like in 4.2.0 i'd be all for adding it back in.01:19
ScottKa|wen: OK.  Then I misread it.01:20
seeleblizzz: it needs to go back in eventually, i just didnt think it was ready when the decision was to be made01:20
ScottKThanks.01:20
a|wenScottK: see his output in bug 286044 ... might be worth getting the same kind of confirmation from the other reporter just to be sure01:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 286044 in python2.5 "python2.5 crashed with Exception in _initHAL() (dup-of: 285313)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28604401:21
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285313 in python2.5 "python2.5 crashed with Exception in _initHAL()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28531301:21
blizzzseele: sure, we cannot look into the future. imo it would be very very good to bring it back to jaunty.01:21
txwikingerhmm.. dmesg seem to be alright01:22
Riddella|wen: there's no commit of yours in that branch, are you sure you did bzr commit before push?01:22
Riddelltxwikinger: check lshal01:22
a|wenRiddell: probably forgot ... just a moment01:23
seelesure.. it was only meant as a temporary measure01:23
seelei'm all for adding cutting edge functionality as it is released by upstream, but i would prefer if it wasn't still bleeding01:23
blizzzdue to kde 4's youth there are still wounds in several places01:24
a|wenRiddell: now it's there :)01:24
a|wenScottK: nevermind ... you just got your confirmation from the other bug reporter as well01:25
ScottKa|wen: THanks.01:26
txwikingerRiddell: I can mount manually.. I have the suspicion that I am missing the right group for the automount01:26
ScottKRiddell: Would you please remove kio-sword ( txwikinger will confirm this).  It's non-function and won't be ported for Intrepid.01:28
txwikingerI confirm that Riddell01:28
txwikingerhmm.. lshal gives me an error message01:29
RiddellScottK: kio-sword gone01:33
Riddella|wen: why is su -c better than su ubuntu ?01:34
a|wenRiddell: because su ubuntu doesn't handle executing a command with arguments properly01:37
ryanakcano clue what is happening, but what about sudo -i ubuntu ?01:39
a|wenryanakca: it's for executing a command as a user01:39
ryanakcaah :)01:39
a|wenryanakca: su was already used (just used wrong) so thought i would keep using su01:40
ryanakcaa|wen: and sudo -u ubuntu ?01:40
ryanakca*nod*01:40
blizzzwhere are the files from python-plasma-examples installed to?01:41
a|wenblizzz: "dpkg -L python-plasma-examples" should give you the answer01:43
blizzza|wen: thanks a lot, didn't know the command01:43
a|wenblizzz: it's very useful :) ... "dpkg -S" maps the other way, eg. what package contains a certain file01:44
blizzza|wen: for the later i always used apt-file01:45
a|wenblizzz: that works too ... but dpkg looks only at your own system, so is often faster and gives you the right answer even though it is from a manually installed 3rd party package etc.01:48
blizzzusually i use this if a file is missing and i don't know which package provides it01:49
ScottK-laptopRiddell: Thanks.01:55
txwikingerThat is odd.. dbus does not start automatically01:56
txwikingerAh .. that does the trick... but the usb disk will still not appear in the devices tray02:13
Riddellnew kde translations done, time to snooze02:26
a|wencool (if everything works now)02:29
Riddellfingers crossed02:30
a|wenyeah ... /me crosses fingers too02:32
a|weng'nite ppl02:44
rgreeningseems I missed all the action today.03:03
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jjesseevning03:26
txwikingerohoh.. I think I crashed adept03:47
txwikingerhi rgreening03:47
mornfall"think"?03:47
mornfallHi, too.03:47
mornfallFrom Seoul. : - ]03:47
rgreeninghey03:47
txwikingermornfall: well.. I saw apport in htop03:47
mornfalltxwikinger: And what happened to Adept?03:47
txwikingerand it took a while until it really crashed03:47
txwikingerwhat is apport doing now??? Previously it would file a bug03:49
txwikingerAh.. created a crash file03:50
rgreeningtxwikinger: update-notifier-kde should have triggered apport to report the crash. If it didn't, then update-notifier-kde probably crashed. Restart toget the crash repirt genereated03:50
rgreeningGUI report I mean...03:51
txwikingercrash report was generated and put into /var/crash03:51
txwikingerAh03:51
rgreening:)03:51
txwikingeryes.. somehow a lot of things are not started on my machine03:51
rgreeningweird.03:51
txwikingerI figured out that dbus had no rc?.d links03:51
* jjesse is running kubuntu intrepid on his dell mini 9 :)03:52
txwikingerupdate-notifier-kde is not even installed03:52
rgreeningtxwikinger: it should be. remove kubuntu-desktop and re-install to get all the packages you are missing installed properly :)03:53
rgreeningthe kubuntu-desktop will pull in all the proper stuff on install03:54
txwikingerah.. I get the new package notification :D03:54
txwikinger~paste04:42
txwikinger~pastebin04:42
ScottK!pastebin | txwikinger04:43
ubottutxwikinger: pastebin is a service to post multiple-lined texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu.com (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic)04:43
txwikinger!pastebin04:43
ScottKseele: Looks like I'm coming to the MD Loco release party with two teenagers in tow.05:24
ScottKYou going?05:24
NCommanderScottK, your based in Maryland?05:33
* NCommander assumes he remembers what MD is05:33
txwikingerWell.. my son is not here yet.. otherwise I would have him at Ontario Linux Fest05:57
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Tonio_hi there08:02
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jussi01morning Tonio_09:10
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Arbymorning all09:59
ArbyI'm being bitten by bug 27612910:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 276129 in kdepim "Akregator crashes on startup while loading archived feeds (SIGSEGV in Akregator::FeedList::findByURL()) (dup-of: 270799)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27612910:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270799 in kdepim "akregator crashed with SIGSEGV in Akregator::FeedList::findByURL()" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27079910:00
Arbyaccording to the corresponding upstream bug this is fixed in kde svn10:00
Arbyhttp://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16426510:00
ubottuError: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: not well-formed (invalid token): line 172, column 0 (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=164265)10:00
Arbyhow would I go about getting this fix into intrepid?10:01
Arbyand is it considered important enough at this stage10:01
Arby?10:01
ScottKNCommander: Yes.11:09
* a|wen just found a way to reliably crash konqueror in intrepid ... choose viewmode "midnight commander"11:14
NCommanderScottK, yes to what?11:17
ScottK0:33] <NCommander> ScottK, your based in Maryland?11:18
NCommanderScottK, ah, neat. I was going to go to the NY LoCo release party, but maybe I should drive to MD and meet you instead ;-)11:18
ScottKI'd appreciate it if someone would check the affected packages/languages in Bug #25918011:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 259180 in kde-l10n-nl "KDE translation packages (kde-l10n-xx) missing on Intrepid" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/25918011:48
* ScottK goes back to bed.11:49
RiddellScottK: we're onto it11:49
ScottKRiddell: I understand, but slangasek complained I put the wrong bug back to High, I'm trying to at least get a correct milestoned bug for him.11:49
apacheloggera|wen: I didn't click it ;-)12:21
a|wenapachelogger: don't click if you have anything important open ;-) ... seems to have been broken for a pretty long time though http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15565612:22
apacheloggerRiddell: isn't that bug more of a duplicate anyway?12:22
ubottuKDE bug 155656 in general "select "midnight commander" konqueror profile crash konqueror " [Crash,New]12:22
apacheloggera|wen: why does it relate to the midnightcommannder profile?12:23
a|wenapachelogger: it suspect it is because the profile-file is broken in some way (specifying something that konq can't make sense of) ... or it might have to do with it opening a konsolepart12:26
a|wens/it/I/112:26
apacheloggerwell12:26
apacheloggerit would only affect konqueror if it gets loaded12:26
apacheloggerI doubt the release notes link opens the mc profile though :P12:27
a|wenapachelogger: he ... that would indeed be a silly thing to do :P12:34
* apachelogger hats localized desktops -.-12:37
* a|wen guesses that we haven't reached the goal yet12:38
apacheloggerthat said12:38
apacheloggerRiddell: did you get the script?12:39
Riddellapachelogger: don't think so, but hopefully we won't need it12:40
Riddellanyone know the current status of kpilot?12:40
apacheloggerit is broken, horribly broken ... judging from the lp bug reports ;-)12:40
apacheloggerScottK: bug 28491112:42
ubottuLaunchpad bug 284911 in kdepim "KOrganizer crashes when Groupwise Resource is active" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28491112:42
apacheloggerit appears to me kdelibs needs to be rebuilt12:43
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apacheloggerScottK: bug 28504413:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285044 in kdepim "kmail 1.9.10 crashes every 15 minutes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28504413:08
ScottKapachelogger: I don't get that one.13:08
apacheloggerScottK: do we have dbg packages in -updates?13:09
apacheloggera useful backtrace would certainly help13:09
ScottKYes.  They're all there.13:10
ScottKMaybe a|wen will have a look at them.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bugs?field.tag=kde3.5.1013:12
apacheloggerha! bug 285073 is nice :D13:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285073 in adept "adept_manager 'hangs' when entering lib in search window" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28507313:12
* apachelogger is wondering why one would search for lib13:13
ScottKBecause it was mentioned in the traceback.13:14
mornfallOh great.13:15
mornfallThat needs an exception.13:15
mornfallThere are so many packages starting with lib that the system falls apart.13:15
a|wenScottK: i'll subscribe myself to the bugs and take a look when i get a backtrace13:15
apacheloggermornfall: btw, does adept display results as it finds them?13:19
mornfallapachelogger: What do you mean?13:19
* apachelogger thinks it would make sense to utilize one CPU core with searching and one with displaying the results on the fly13:19
mornfallOh dear.13:19
apachelogger:D13:19
apacheloggerthat would make a lot of sense for such searches IMHO13:19
mornfallIs there any noticeable delay?13:20
mornfallWith common, useful queries.13:20
* apachelogger has no idea what a common query would be13:20
mornfallWell, not "lib".13:20
mornfall: - ]13:20
mornfallIt does hit the disk, so it's not instantaneous, but I think it's much faster than in Adept 2.13:21
apacheloggermornfall: ok, common queries work ;-)13:21
apacheloggercommon by apachelogger's definition: "music" "video" "internet"13:21
mornfallThese would be probably more common in installer than in manager.13:22
mornfallBut I dunno.13:22
mornfallAppears people insist on using manager even when they have no idea how the package system works.13:22
mornfall(And then complain.)13:22
* apachelogger opens installer13:24
* apachelogger is wondering why so many icons are missing13:25
apacheloggermornfall: what would someone search for in manager?13:27
apacheloggerI always thought of manager as a less fancy but more powerful installer13:27
seeleScottK: well if you are going then i'll have to show up :)13:30
apacheloggernixternal: I guess we can shoot bug 7541613:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 75416 in kdepim "[kmail] doesn't display a signed message, where the key is unknown" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/7541613:32
ArbyRiddell or apachelogger, kde bug 164265 says there is a fix in kde svn that fixes bug 270799. Do you think that is important enough at this stage to try and make a (temporary) patch to backport the fix until 4.1.3 is released?13:36
ubottuError: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: not well-formed (invalid token): line 172, column 0 (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=164265)13:36
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270799 in kdepim "akregator crashed with SIGSEGV in Akregator::FeedList::findByURL()" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27079913:36
RiddellArby: could do, if the patch was human readable13:37
Arbywell I've got time this afternoon to try and prepare a diff13:37
ArbyI might as well try, although this may end in disaster :)13:38
rgreeningmorning all13:39
RiddellArby: ping us if you get stuck13:40
ArbyRiddell: highly likely :)13:40
rgreeningHey Riddell, anything you need fixed today that I can help with?13:40
Riddellrgreening: I don't think so, we should be moving into testing installs and upgrades now13:44
* apachelogger is doing that for weeks :P13:44
apacheloggeroh my ubuntu cd finished download13:44
* apachelogger fires up vbox13:44
rgreeningok. I have a gineua pig to test on tonight13:44
rgreeningwhat's a good vm software to test it under?13:45
apacheloggervbox13:45
apacheloggerkvm should work as well13:45
apacheloggeressentially everything freeish should work13:45
rgreeningwhich is easiest to setup. never used a vm13:45
apacheloggervbox13:45
mornfallapachelogger: Dunno. More specific and more obscure things I guess.13:45
apacheloggerrgreening: much like vmware13:45
apacheloggermornfall: in this case mid-word search should be working I guess ;-)13:46
mornfallLike "gcc documentation".13:46
mornfallmid-word?13:46
mornfallYou don't use google to look for "internet" either. : - ]13:46
rgreeningmornfall: when I type lemmin it should return pingus. it doesn't until I type lemmings13:46
apacheloggermornfall: bug 28505013:46
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285050 in adept "Improvements to search in Adept3" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28505013:46
mornfallrgreening: Obviously.13:46
apacheloggerthe 2) wish13:46
rgreeningshoul dpartial word search not be there?13:46
rgreeningit was in the old adept13:47
mornfallrgreening: Lemming is not a word.13:47
rgreeningusers (like me) like that :)13:47
apacheloggerohm13:47
mornfallLemmin*13:47
apacheloggerRiddell: we need to pimp ubiquity for jaunty13:47
rgreeningthe old adept would display any partial word match13:47
mornfallSure, it doesn't do spelling correction either.13:47
apacheloggerRiddell: the GTK frontend looks more attractive for some reason13:47
mornfallrgreening: So what?13:47
mornfallOld Adept did various things.13:47
mornfallIf you like it more, it's your call.13:48
rgreeninglol. I liked the partials13:48
mornfallTry goggle for "lemming".13:48
apacheloggerRiddell: and it got a zoomable map13:48
mornfallEh.13:48
mornfallLemmin.13:48
mornfallgoogle.13:48
mornfallWhatever.13:48
rgreening:)13:48
apachelogger~google lemmin13:48
kubotuResults for lemmin: 1. The Anti-Lemmin' Demo: http://www.randelshofer.ch/animations/anims/eric_w_schwartz/Anti-Lemmin2.anim.html | 2. Urban Dictionary: lemmin': http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lemmin' | 3. Lemmin, U.: http://enac.epfl.ch/page58481.html13:48
rgreeningmornfall: btw thanks for the hard work on adept13:48
apacheloggeranti-lemmin?13:48
mornfallrgreening: It's either partials or fast and actual keyword s earch.13:48
apacheloggeroh my13:48
Riddellapachelogger: they have a shiny new partition bar is about all13:48
mornfallrgreening: Or it's slow and exact-substring search.13:49
apacheloggerRiddell: well, the general appearance is better13:49
mornfallrgreening: Try "gcc docs" in old adept.13:49
Riddellapachelogger: the zoomable map is not at all usable last I tried (it jumps in doesn't it?)13:49
rgreeningmornfall: ok, then how come when I type lemmin for a second I see pingus appear and then the screen blank. It's doing the partial and hiding it13:49
apacheloggerRiddell: you can also scroll by moving the mouse to the edges, and select the cities13:49
mornfallrgreening: It's doing -prefix- partial.13:49
Riddellapachelogger: I'd love a zoomable map more like google maps with a plus/minus button in a corder13:50
Riddellcorner13:50
apacheloggerRiddell: marble ;-)13:50
Riddellbut the jumping scrolling one they have I really don't like13:50
mornfallrgreening: And only on the last word and only until it figures there's end of that word.13:50
mornfallrgreening: Keeping all partials of everything around screws up other searches.13:50
apacheloggerRiddell: yeah, it feels weird13:50
Riddellapachelogger: yes marble would be fun, although size problems et al13:50
mornfallrgreening: Maybe I should make people hit enter and maybe do spelling-correction or something instead of search as you type.13:51
mornfallI am sure a different set of users will complain though.13:51
apacheloggerRiddell: problems exist to be solved ;-)13:51
apacheloggerstupid OOo uses so much space :S13:51
rgreeningmornfall: yes. that may be better13:52
apacheloggerRiddell: the partition bar reminds me on snake13:53
rgreeningmornfall: thanks for getting us a new adept. It13:53
rgreeningit appreciated :)13:53
mornfall: - ) You're welcome.13:54
rgreening:)13:54
rgreeningmornfall: any hint on what may cause bug 28596113:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285961 in adept "adept crashed with SIGSEGV in QTreeView::indexRowSizeHint()" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28596113:59
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r0uzicHello14:01
rgreeningmornfall: there seem to be a few sigsegv bugs starting to apprear.14:01
r0uzici have a dude14:01
rgreeningmornfall: I14:01
rgreeningwill have a llok and see if I can figure out the issue with the segfaults in adept... though may need some suggestion...14:02
r0uzicIn intrepid, where is synaptics config? in xorg.conf haven't the config14:02
mornfallrgreening: Backtraces?14:04
rgreeningIn the bug report above...14:04
rgreeningmornfall: it could be a qt bug... just not sure.14:06
apacheloggerrgreening, Riddell: bug 28034114:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 280341 in update-notifier-kde "python2.5 crashed with AttributeError in runApport()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28034114:06
mornfallAh,  I understand.14:06
mornfallNot a Qt bug.14:06
rgreeningok.14:06
rgreeningsomething I can fix?14:06
mornfallMaybe.14:06
rgreeningtell me something to try14:07
rgreening:)14:07
mornfallWhen setModel() is called, the Extender stuff needs to clear up its internal state.14:07
rgreeningok14:07
mornfallMight just need to override setModel if its virtual.14:07
mornfallAnd close all editors before calling the parent's setModel.14:08
rgreeninghmm.. ok, starting to get a bit past me now... lol. I'll still have a peek... and review the class ref's for the stuff you meantion.14:09
mornfallrgreening: Please let me know how it goes, maybe tomorrow -- if you don't come up with a fix, I'll do  that.14:12
rgreeningmornfall: ok. I'll give it a go. I need to get into Qt and this is a good way to dive in...14:12
rgreeningmornfall: this would be from packagelist.cpp I believe... correct?14:14
mornfallrgreening: More likely one of its ancestor classes.14:15
mornfallI suppose.14:15
rgreeningok14:15
mornfallSomething with Extendable in name.14:15
rgreeningah14:15
rgreeningapachelogger: I'll take a peek...14:30
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot167.png14:32
apacheloggerhttp://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot168.png14:33
rgreeningdon't enter your password.. it's a trojan sniffer called the Riddeller :P14:36
* rgreening ducks14:36
seeleapachelogger: that will always be on top?14:39
apacheloggeroh my14:39
apacheloggerseele: yes14:39
seeleapachelogger: if a hidden app pops that up, will the window also move to the top of the stack?14:39
apacheloggermost likely14:40
apacheloggerdidn't try14:40
apacheloggerthere are some fixes required to kwin anyway14:40
apacheloggerfor example the window doesn't get the kind of focus it would need to draw the darkenes14:40
seelethe oxygen or plasma team should look at that and see if we should style it differently as well14:40
seeleinstead of just a popup without window dec14:40
apacheloggerkdesu would show a nice icon, kdesudo does not for some reason14:41
apacheloggeris someone with autohell knowledge around?14:43
hungerapachelogger: Not me... used to be pretty decent with it, but forgot everything since working with cmake:-)14:50
hungerapachelogger: Of course you might try me anyway.14:52
txwikingerman are the Gnome apps ugly14:53
hungertxwikinger: are you referring to the gui or the code? :-)14:53
txwikingerAt the moment to the GUI14:54
txwikingerhaven't looked at the code yet :D14:54
apacheloggerhunger: please take a look at bug 28584114:55
hungertxwikinger: Well, some of them are actually decent.14:55
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285841 in kdevelop3 "kdevelop can't compile programs in kde4 (intrepid ibex)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28584114:55
* apachelogger doesn't think that is related to kdevelop at all but just crappy autotools stuff14:55
txwikingerWell.. but they GUI still does look very outdated... but maybe it is the default theme14:55
apacheloggerthe new ubuntu theme looks weird14:56
apacheloggerI am not sure if they can be competition for OSX with that kind of theme14:56
* apachelogger is a very narrow minded concerning that kind of stuff though ;-)14:57
txwikingerAt is getting winter.. the birds are getting cooky14:57
Tonio_hi there15:00
Tonio_any idea how to override a desktop file with kde3 ?15:00
Riddellhow do you mean?15:00
Tonio_I've been putting desktop files anywhere in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings, but couldn't make it to work15:00
Tonio_Riddell: hiding desktop files without deleting them in /usr/share/applications15:00
Tonio_Riddell: but hide them from the kmenu15:00
Tonio_I thought about puttint the files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/applications15:01
hungerapachelogger: Damn, you tricked me into launchpad:-| That site is sooooo slooooowwww.15:01
Tonio_with a hidden=true tag15:01
Tonio_Riddell: but that doesn't work15:01
apacheloggerhunger: I add all the images to adblocker, now it almost works at decent speed ;-)15:02
apacheloggerand almost looks better15:02
Tonio_Riddell: I seem to remember it worked with feisty15:02
RiddellNoDisplay=true15:03
hungerapachelogger: My guess is that this is a bug in libtool. Dunno who generated that, maybe that was actually done by kdevelop.15:03
Tonio_Riddell: same effect, doesn't work15:03
hungerapachelogger: Hard to say without the build system though...15:03
Tonio_Riddell: Hidden <> NoDisplay15:03
apacheloggerhunger: suggestions for a course of action?15:04
Tonio_Riddell: I can hide anything but I have to patch desktop files directly, which is a bit boring when you have lots to patch....15:04
hungerapachelogger: I'll comment and ask for the a tar of the stuff he has after running configure. He might just need to escape some spaces...15:05
apacheloggerhunger: thank you15:05
RiddellTonio_: I don't know what you're trying to do15:05
* hunger grumbles. At least I'll *try* to comment once LP lets me.15:05
Tonio_Riddell: well kiosk basically overrides rc files with kubuntu-default-settings content right ?15:05
Tonio_Riddell: I'm trying to use the same mecanism to make applications disapeared from within the kmenu15:06
Riddellwhy do you want them to disappear?15:06
Tonio_Riddell: cause the users aren't supposed to use them :)15:06
Tonio_Riddell: french parliament blabla :)15:06
* apachelogger hunts for a ktorrent bug fix15:07
hungerTonio_: IIRC that is not possible. As far as I know you can set up a new menu structure for each kiosk profile. Been a while since I looked into that though.15:07
Tonio_hunger: it used to work with feisty, I have a virtual machine here showing this..15:07
RiddellTonio_: uninstall the application?15:07
Tonio_Riddell: we need the app :)15:07
hungerTonio_: Hmmm. So I am wrong *again*.15:08
Tonio_Riddell: well I can delete the desktop file, or patch it, but I'd like something more maintainable on the long term :)15:08
Riddellkde4-config --path xdgdata-apps15:08
Riddell/home/jr/.local/share/applications/:/usr/share/applications/:/usr/local/share/applications/15:08
Tonio_hunger: bah, it seems to have changed in recent kde3..... they rewrote a big part of xdg things15:08
RiddellTonio_: try /usr/local/share/applications/ then15:08
Tonio_Riddell: interesting ;) then the order might be important also....15:09
Tonio_Riddell: testing15:09
Riddellyou could also try changing X$DG_DATA_DIRS15:09
Tonio_Riddell: I couldn't find where it is defined...15:09
Tonio_not in my "env" btw15:09
Tonio_but the local/share thing might help :)15:10
RiddellTonio_: in startkde?15:10
Tonio_Riddell: looking15:10
ArbyRiddell: I have a patch for akregator now but I can't get it to apply. the error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/60128/15:10
Arbyand the patch is http://paste.ubuntu.com/60129/15:10
Riddelllooking at the order of that, /usr/local/ might be lower priority than /usr15:10
apacheloggerRiddell: can we still get bug fixes in for rc?15:11
apacheloggerRiddell: more specific for bug 28580715:11
ArbyI don't know what missing header for unified diff means basically15:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 285807 in ktorrent "ktorrent uses high cpu and all of memory" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28580715:11
apacheloggerhttp://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/libbtcore/tracker/udptracker.cpp?r1=793951&r2=84820615:11
Riddellhmm, big patch Arby15:11
* apachelogger goes finding something to eat15:11
Riddellapachelogger: if they're reviewable probably15:11
ArbyRiddell: there are changes to multiple files15:11
ArbyI haven't added anything, that came straight out of kde svn15:12
Arbyif it's too big I'll save myself the pain15:12
Arbyit should be fixed when 4.1.3 is released anyway15:12
Arbyit just means releasing a crashy akregator when a fix is known which seems bad15:14
RiddellArby: not sure, it doesn't want to apply for me either, how did you make the patch?15:14
hungerapachelogger: comment added.15:15
hungerapachelogger: FINALLY!15:15
ArbyRiddell: apt-get source kdepim then make a diff of that against the svn checkout15:15
ArbyRiddell: I've checked it against the changes on kde websvn and it's identical15:16
ArbyI suppose it's possible that there are other changes between 4.1.2 and current svn that are needed for this to work15:17
Arbythat's a bit beyond my level15:17
Arbyand would make an even bigger patch15:17
RiddellArby: how about this?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdepim.diff15:20
Arbylooking15:20
ArbyRiddell: that seems to have worked, it's compiling now15:23
Arbywhat did you do different?15:23
hungerMy konqueror sidebar has only the question mark items. Will that get fixed sometime soonish?15:24
RiddellArby: just applied your patch without the troublesome bit (which was only whitespace) and remade the patch15:25
ArbyRiddell: ok thanks, assuming this works what do I need to prepare? debdiff?15:25
Riddellhunger: hmm, that looks like an upgrade bug15:25
RiddellArby: yes, compile, install test, dch -i to add changelog, debuild -S, debdiff old.dsc new.dsc15:26
hungerI wonder where the icons to be used in the sidebar are remembered...15:28
Riddellhunger: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng15:29
Riddellhunger: I don't think there's anything to remove those entries if the sidebar modules no longer exist15:29
Riddellor update too probably15:29
hungerRiddel: There is nothing about icons there...15:30
* hunger removed those files.15:30
hungerNope. Icons are still broken.15:30
apacheloggeroh15:31
hungerActually the services entry has a proper icon. Everything else just got the ?-icon.15:31
apacheloggerRiddell: I just had a magnificent idea... due to our kdesu patch for KDM in systemsettings it ought be possible to include kuser in systemsettings as well, without having an actual kcm, should I go for it?15:32
Riddellapachelogger: my instincs say no, that's a UI change and a potentially meddlesome code change15:33
hungerRiddell: Hah! Rolling back to system defaults fixed this issue.15:33
apacheloggerRiddell: oki15:33
hungerBookmarks are still there, but all my configuration under "Network" is gone:-/15:34
* Riddell out for a bit15:36
txwikingerDoes KDE4 still use klauncher?15:48
hungertxwikinger: Please remind me: What was klauncher doing again?15:49
txwikingeroops15:52
hungertxwikinger: kdebase contains a klauncher_iface.h still, so my guess is that it is still used.15:52
hungertxwikinger: It was ported to D-Bus which is another hint.15:53
txwikingerok... then hopefully re-login will remedy the problem15:53
txwikingeryes.. it did :D15:54
hungerisen't digikam-kde4 available anymore?16:05
hungerdigikam-doc is from the previous version by the way. You might want to update/remove it.16:09
apacheloggerhunger: lastest digikam beta depends on KDE trunk, so we removed it from the archives16:14
apacheloggerhunger: will be added to the same PPA where pre-4.2 will show up16:14
hungerapachelogger: Damn:-(16:14
hungerSo I need to build it myself:-(16:14
apacheloggerfor now at least16:14
apacheloggerwb emma16:15
Tm_Tjolly good indeed16:15
emmaThanks, quite sorry for the bouncy connection the other night. Not sure what happened there, very uncharacteristic of my connection. :)16:16
apacheloggerRiddell: ktorrent ready for upload if you are ok with it http://paste.ubuntu.com/60150/16:16
dfilonismarter: congrats16:30
apachelogger~topic add smarter is MOTU (whatever that might be)16:32
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* apachelogger hands smarter a cookie and a sonic screwdriver16:33
smarterthanks guys :)16:40
smarteryeah, sonic screwdriver :P16:41
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apacheloggersmarter: so what are you going to do with all your new powas?16:56
Riddellapachelogger: fine if it has been tested16:56
apacheloggerRiddell: well, in order to check whether it is fixed I would need to leave it running for a bit more :)16:56
smarterapachelogger: take over the w0rld!16:57
apacheloggersounds like a good idea16:57
smarteroh no hmm, I don't have enough powa to execute my secrete plans for world domination yet16:57
smarterso, improving Kubuntu I guess :)16:57
smarterapachelogger: and stop annoying people to upload my fixes :P16:57
apachelogger*nod*16:58
* apachelogger thinks that he might have got the council to do something about their lag16:58
apacheloggerat least they talked about it in one of their top secret meetings :P16:59
Nightrosesmarter: congratulations17:08
* Nightrose hands smarter another cookie17:09
smarterthanks :)17:09
* smarter hugs Nightrose :]17:09
* smarter hugs .*17:09
Nightrose:)17:09
Nightrosehehe17:09
jussi01!helpersnack | smarter17:11
ubottusmarter: Wow! You're such a great helper, you deserve a cookie!17:11
jussi01:D17:12
smarter:P17:12
smarter!botsnack17:12
ubottuYum! Err, I mean, APT!17:12
smarterthanks jussi0117:12
jussi01:)17:13
apacheloggerour usplash image sux17:21
apacheloggerxubuntu's is a lot better17:22
Riddellhow?17:22
apacheloggeralmost sexy17:22
apacheloggerconsidering usplash splashes aren't too attractive in general17:22
apacheloggertheir login manager theme also got something special17:22
apacheloggerNightrose: btw, do we get some small form factor devices? ;-)17:27
Nightroseapachelogger: i just returned 6 hours ago and still catching up17:27
Nightrosedidn't even think about this yet17:27
Nightrosesorry ;-)17:27
apacheloggertoo bad17:27
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smarteruh oh, the link aseigo posted in his latest blog post makes akregator crashes when I click on it17:34
apacheloggersmarter: don't click it then17:34
smarter:P17:34
smarterASSERT: "bsOrientation(bs) != bsOrientation(nextBS)" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/khtml/rendering/render_inline.cpp, line 76017:35
blizzzhappened to me to17:35
apacheloggerhm17:39
apacheloggerpoor khtml gets most bug fixes of all KDE components and still stumbles over links :P17:40
apacheloggerhm, do you think it would be too megalomaniacal too target 100% fix released bugs in all KDE core packages by 9.04?17:41
jussi01apachelogger: good luck with that - especially with konqueror...17:42
* rgreening thinks konq needs a lot of love and attention17:43
* jussi01 cries for poor konqeror... always gets left behind17:43
apacheloggerif kdewebkit gets finished in time we might very well be able to use it in 9.0417:43
apacheloggerthat takes care of 3 billion bugs already17:43
* apachelogger finds html rendering is awful stuff to work on17:43
apacheloggeranywho, time to work on kde-nightly for intrepid17:44
jussi01apachelogger: yeah... Had an interesting suggestion from persia earlier today - wrt web browsing in kde:17:44
jussi01[11:17:53] <persia> jussi01, You know, it might be worth trying to make a firefox-kde-support package ...17:44
jussi01so we didnt take half of gnome with us whne installing firefox...17:45
* apachelogger doesn't think firefox is worth the thinking17:45
apacheloggerjussi01: webkit > gecko anyway17:45
apacheloggerespecially since the former can be embedded into konqi, making it load a gazillion times faster17:46
jussi01apachelogger: thats true, thugh it still needs lots of work. how arora doing, I shoulf check...17:46
jussi01yeah, konqi is pretty slow atm...17:47
apacheloggerarora is no where near where konqueror or firefox are17:47
apacheloggerjussi01: because of khtml17:47
jussi01apachelogger: I really hope that konqi webkit comes soon - I like konqi except it has a million bugs...17:47
* apachelogger doesn't remember any recent bug17:48
apacheloggerrendering glitches at time, but as said html rendering is awful17:48
ScottKsmarter: Congratulations.17:55
smarterthanks ScottK :)17:57
ArbyRiddell: I have a debdiff for akregator http://paste.ubuntu.com/60185/18:03
ArbyRiddell: could you please review and if it's ok upload18:03
Arbyit fixes the bug for me18:03
RiddellArby: groovy18:08
RiddellArby: "LP #270799" needs to be "LP: #270799", I can fix that18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270799 in kdepim "akregator crashed with SIGSEGV in Akregator::FeedList::findByURL()" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27079918:09
Riddellsilly syntax is that18:09
Arbyoops, thanks18:09
RiddellArby: uploaded!18:12
Arbythanks18:13
* Arby looks for something else to fix18:14
jussi01Arby: I was just about to report a bug, but you could fix the adept updater opening in a tiny window...18:24
rgreeningjussi01.. how tiny? works reasonably well here18:25
rgreeningit should be doing an auto size hint... which seems to work for me18:26
jussi01rgreening: hang on, Ill get a screenie18:27
rgreeningokie-dokie18:28
jussi01rgreening: http://www.jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20081020-202952-adept-manager.png18:30
jussi01rgreening: it would be nice to have it screen centered, but yeah... just wish list that18:31
rgreeninghmm... yeah, nothing technically wrong there. I guess it could hint for centering and a larger width... but it's definately a wishlist. :)18:32
jussi01I got to run for a bit. if you want another wishlist that I need to report also, make ksnapshot default to a picture format when saving, not "all file types"18:33
rgreeninglol... yeah18:33
rgreeningjust tested a clean vbox install of intrepid. Went cleanly and smoothly on my Acer 9410 (Intel vid and chipset). Doing updates to make sure still works.19:35
rgreeningis this a true enough test?19:35
* txwikinger does not know why he fixes ubuntu bugs....19:37
txwikingerAh remember .. community cohesion :D19:37
seeleuhm.. hmm.. i thought i temporarily fixed the default adept size with kwinrulesrc19:40
seeleArby: if you do fix the default size, you should take the adept entry out of kwinrulesrc19:40
Arbyseele: I wasn't planning on it, I don't know how. I think rgreening was going to take a look19:41
seelergreening: ^^19:42
rgreeningseele: I don't think there's a problem per-se.. so I wasn't going to chane anything...19:46
rgreenings/chane/change19:46
rgreeningI'm working on update-notifier-kde at the moment.. but after that, if you want me to take a stab at adept, I can19:47
seeleit doesn't matter to me.. since there is a stop gap solution in kwinrulesrc, unless it is easy for you to fix i dont see the rush19:48
rgreeninghere is something annoying... the "more..." link to nothing in adept when looking at package details.19:49
rgreening:)19:49
seelehah19:50
rgreeningyeah... click it and nothing happens... more? more what? lol19:57
rgreeningRiddell: got a fix for bug 282676. Can you or someone else have a gander and see if it makes sense? http://paste.ubuntu.com/60220/20:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 282676 in update-notifier-kde "update notifier doesn't list how many packages needs updating" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28267620:02
rgreeningsomeone want to sponsor my fix for update-notifier-kde bug 282676.  I have uploaded to kubuntu testing PPA. Currently building. It may not be the 100% best solution, but it is the least intrusive fix I see at the moment.20:15
ubottuError: Could not parse XML returned by KDE: HTTP Error 500: Internal Server Error (http://bugs.kde.org/xml.cgi?id=282676)20:15
rgreeningbug 28267620:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 282676 in update-notifier-kde "update notifier doesn't list how many packages needs updating" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/28267620:16
rgreeningit seems the intrepid beta had update-notifier-kde-0.4, which is quite old and has lots of bugs. Thought we got a later version in than that...oh well...20:29
ArbyRiddell: doing some bug triage for system-config-printer-kde20:52
ArbyRiddell: do you happen to know if bug 198551 is fixed?20:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 198551 in system-config-printer-kde "system-config-printer-applet-kde crashed with DBusException in call_blocking()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19855120:52
Arbythe changelog implies you fixed stuff in the applet in 0.06 but doesn't specify what.20:53
Arbythe relevent traceback is http://paste.ubuntu.com/60230/20:53
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RiddellArby: I don't know I'm afraid21:57
RiddellArby: that is a poor changelog indeed, you should be able to check the bzr if you're curious21:58
ArbyI think I will, it seems odd for us to be loading files from com.redhat22:00
ArbyRiddell: where does that code live?22:00
ArbyRiddell: and while we're on the subject what's your opinion regarding  backporting fixes for s-c-p  KDE3.5.x?22:03
Riddelllaunchpad.net/system-config-printer I think22:03
Riddell(it's in KDE SVN now but not the version we're using)22:03
Riddell3.5 doesn't use system-config-printer22:03
Arbyfor example bug 206459 has a possible fix that works in kde4 but not 322:03
ubottuLaunchpad bug 206459 in system-config-printer-kde "print status doesn't update automatically" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/20645922:03
Riddellthe file isn't from redhat, the dbus interface is22:03
Arbyok I see22:03
Arbyah, so are kde3 bugs filed against s-c-p misfiled then?22:04
Arbyand if so where do they belong.22:04
Riddellthat bug seems quite confused, it's not clear if it's printer-applet or system-config-printer-kde22:05
Riddellkde 3 should use kjobviewer, but I guess printer-applet will start too if you have it installed22:06
ArbyI'll have to re-read it again.22:07
ArbyI can see now why you said s-c-p needs some love :)22:07
ArbyRiddell: I don't quite understand the distinction between s-c-p and printer-applet either22:08
ArbyRiddell: are they part of the same package or does applet come from somewhere else?22:09
Riddellthey were part of the same source come to think of it22:09
Riddellthey're separate now but I guess not in hardy22:09
Riddellok, I think i understand22:10
Arbynow that clarifies a lot22:10
Riddellsystem-config-printer-applet-kde is the old name for printer-applet when it was part of the same source package22:10
Riddelland someone in that bug has given from a copy of the new printer-applet to try, which won't work since it's KDE 4 (previously it was only Qt 4)22:11
RiddellArby: so you can close the bug, it's fixed in intrepid22:11
Riddellprinter-applet now comes from kdeutils source22:11
Arbyok that also helps to know22:12
ArbyRiddell: possibly not, ScottK has reported a similar bug in intrepid. bug 27632122:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 276321 in system-config-printer-kde "Print status has to be manually refreshed after print completes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27632122:14
Arbyor has it been fixed more recently than that?22:14
Riddelltsk that ScottK, always finding bugs22:14
ArbyScottK: does 276321 ^^ still occur for you?22:16
Riddellhttps://bugs.kde.org/16769922:17
NCommanderHey Riddell22:17
Riddellso it is still sometimes an issue22:17
Riddellevening NCommander22:17
txwikingerDo we still have an ssh-askpass-kde or something like that?22:19
txwikingerAh .. think I found it.. ksshaskpass22:22
txwikingera little odd named though22:22
txwikingerhmm .. KDE3 and seems to work a little different22:23
NCommanderapachelogger, ping?22:26
ArbyRiddell: what's your opinion of bug 234822? wishlist or not relevent to system-config-printer and leave it to jockey?22:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 234822 in jockey "Detect and install Brother printers" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/23482222:30
RiddellArby: installation is done by system-config-printer (-kde is just a frontend)22:31
ArbyRiddell: ok, I'll change the package then. is it something that should work now or is it a wishlist for a new feature?22:33
RiddellArby: I suspect if it's in multiverse it won't be integrated22:34
Riddellso yes a wishlist22:34
Arbythanks22:34
Arbyah, my membership seems to have expired, anybody here have permissions to set bug importance?22:36
Riddellmembership to what?22:37
Arbybug control22:38
Arbyor ubuntu-qa or whatever it's called now22:38
Riddellaren't there people who can renew that?22:38
Arbyyes, but not right now.22:39
Arby well they could if I could find them22:39
* Arby goes to investigate22:39
Riddelljcastro for example, poke22:40
Riddelllooks like we have CD images to start testing22:42
kwwiiRiddell: I just bought a new system for testing, poke me with info and I'd be happy to test anything you like22:47
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ScottKRiddell: It usually happens, but not always now (it used to be always).23:31
yuriyoh great. you guys drove Riddell to jump off a bridge23:32
yuriy;)23:32

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