[00:01] <blizzz> the plasma feature to have different sets of widgets
[00:01] <blizzz> it's available in hardy with the packages from ppa
[00:03] <blizzz> usually, you click on the cashew, click on zoom out. there you can add, remove and pick your activity.
[00:04] <blizzz> if you know what i mean :D
[00:11] <Riddell> that they were undiscoverable and confusing with virtual desktops
[00:14] <blizzz> in what way indifferent? they have a different aim compared to virtual deskop (plasmoids vs applications).
[00:15] <Riddell> it may not have been the right thing to do, but at the time I couldn't work out what it was ment to be for
[00:15] <Riddell> and now we're stuck with it
[00:15] <Riddell> I'll just blame seele :)
[00:16] <blizzz> hehe ;)
[00:18] <blizzz> is there a way for a user to make use of it ass backwards? by config files or so?
[00:22] <Riddell> I'm afraid it's just patched out in the code
[00:22] <Riddell> which is very bad practice
[00:24] <blizzz> oh-oh
[00:26] <blizzz> so it might be brought back in jaunty? or - if someone is able to hack it by himself - to patch the patch and compile it?
[00:27] <a|wen> Riddell: i think i've got hold of the release notes problem ... it's actually two problems: 1. the functions are being executed wrong 2. the BROWSER variable isn't set
[00:27] <Riddell> a|wen: why is the BROWSER variable used?
[00:28] <a|wen> Riddell: we use xdg-open ... which uses the BROWSER variable
[00:30] <a|wen> Riddell: do you have a suggestion what to do? (don't like hardcoding it to konqueror that well after all)
[00:31] <Riddell> xdg-open should do something sensible without BROWSER
[00:31] <Riddell> works here
[00:31] <Riddell> without $BROWSER
[00:34] <a|wen> isn't set or working here on my fresh install (3-4 days ago)
[00:34] <Riddell> xdg-open doesn't work?
[00:35] <Riddell> does this work?  kfmclient openURL http://google.com
[00:36] <a|wen> Riddell: it works as notmal user ... but we are root and uses su to run it as local user (and that fails)
[00:37] <a|wen> Riddell: kfmclient however works in that setup
[00:39] <Riddell> hrm
[00:40] <Riddell> a|wen: well if kfmclient works you could change xdg-open to kfmclient
[00:43] <a|wen> Riddell: that looks to work ... i'll just try it in it's real environment on the live-cd also
[00:44] <Riddell> thanks
[00:48] <a|wen> Riddell: i suspect ubiquity it to be in bzr somewhere ... is it more convenient for you to simply get the patch when i've tested it to work?
[00:49] <Riddell> a|wen: bzr branch lp:ubiquity should work
[00:49] <Riddell> edit; bzr commit; bzr push bzr+ssh://<user>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~awen/ubiquity/releasenotesfix
[00:50] <a|wen> i'll push it there then, and give you a link
[00:51] <Riddell> super
[01:00]  * ScottK notes that Bug #273489 was downgraded off of RC status.  Perhaps that's premature.
[01:04] <Riddell> ScottK: he did that last week on the rosetta project, which was very premature
[01:04] <Riddell> it's still open on ubuntu which is where it gets tracked by people
[01:04] <ScottK> Riddell: Yes, it's still open, but Medium and not High.
[01:06] <Riddell> ScottK: feel free to fix that
[01:06] <seele> hmm.. someone pinged me but my history doesn't go back that far
[01:07] <seele> oh.. maybe that was still the robertknight message
[01:07] <blizzz> seele: Riddell blamed you for killing acitivites in intrepid
[01:07] <blizzz> ;)
[01:07] <seele> hey.. don't blame the designer on techie stuff
[01:08] <seele> or do you mean the plasma desktop thing?
[01:08] <Riddell> removing zoom out
[01:08] <seele> it's still broken afaik
[01:08] <seele> oh.. well it doesnt freaking work the right way yet
[01:08] <seele> who was seriously complaining about that
[01:08] <Riddell> see, I have a "do what seele says" policy for usability, if upstream complains, it's all her doing :)
[01:09] <Riddell> blizzz was
[01:09] <ScottK> Riddell: Fixed.
[01:09] <blizzz> how is it not working? i experience some issues with dual screens, but thats it
[01:09] <seele> ah i see, "Riddell blamed you for killing acitivites in intrepid" -- another passive agressive :P
[01:09] <Riddell> hey!
[01:10] <seele> who said i was talking about you? ;)
[01:12] <seele> blizzz: to be fair, that was a decision made at 4.1.0, i see they've got background working better in 4.1.2.. but it still doesnt make sense how to navigate or configure them
[01:12] <seele> i've seem some people confusing them with the virtual desktops, but i dont know how widespread that is
[01:13] <seele> and it is confusing how you can't configure an activity space until it is created.. and it's hard to fiure out how to create a new activity space
[01:13] <blizzz> seele: in fact, you have to get to know how to use it. but it is not that hard though laborious to zoom out and zoom in
[01:14] <blizzz> on the other site it's a terrific feature.
[01:14] <blizzz> however i understand that it was kinda buggy in 4.10
[01:14] <a|wen> Riddell: for you: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~andreas-wenning/ubiquity/releasenotesfix
[01:15] <blizzz> Riddell: what in fact is patched out? just the options provided by the cashew or every functions behind it?
[01:15] <a|wen> Riddell: please be aware that there already was an unreleased changelog entry so you might need to do some merge magic that suits
[01:16] <seele> hmm.. 227 emails and i've only been gone 48 hours.  busy weekend on the mailing lists
[01:17] <Riddell> blizzz: http://paste.ubuntu.com/59931/
[01:17] <ScottK> a|wen: Any ideas on g-p-m and HAL.  I've not a clue how that could still be happening.
[01:17] <txwikinger> Are usb-drives not working on intrepid?
[01:18] <blizzz> Riddell: thanks
[01:18] <Riddell> txwikinger: works for me
[01:18] <ScottK> I didn't try USB, but my SD Card works fine.
[01:18] <txwikinger> Not for me
[01:18] <txwikinger> I see it in lsusb
[01:18] <blizzz> works for me too
[01:18] <txwikinger> but it does not get picked up
[01:19] <a|wen> ScottK: I'm pretty sure it happens since people do still use the beta-cd and get the crash on first upgrade ... the newest report confirms that he got it when upgrading g-p-m (eg. it wasn't the newest version)
[01:19] <seele> blizzz: i really don't think it's something we need for intrepid, especially since not all of the functionality exists.  depending on what it looks like in 4.2.0 i'd be all for adding it back in.
[01:20] <ScottK> a|wen: OK.  Then I misread it.
[01:20] <seele> blizzz: it needs to go back in eventually, i just didnt think it was ready when the decision was to be made
[01:20] <ScottK> Thanks.
[01:21] <a|wen> ScottK: see his output in bug 286044 ... might be worth getting the same kind of confirmation from the other reporter just to be sure
[01:21] <blizzz> seele: sure, we cannot look into the future. imo it would be very very good to bring it back to jaunty.
[01:22] <txwikinger> hmm.. dmesg seem to be alright
[01:22] <Riddell> a|wen: there's no commit of yours in that branch, are you sure you did bzr commit before push?
[01:22] <Riddell> txwikinger: check lshal
[01:23] <a|wen> Riddell: probably forgot ... just a moment
[01:23] <seele> sure.. it was only meant as a temporary measure
[01:23] <seele> i'm all for adding cutting edge functionality as it is released by upstream, but i would prefer if it wasn't still bleeding
[01:24] <blizzz> due to kde 4's youth there are still wounds in several places
[01:24] <a|wen> Riddell: now it's there :)
[01:25] <a|wen> ScottK: nevermind ... you just got your confirmation from the other bug reporter as well
[01:26] <ScottK> a|wen: THanks.
[01:26] <txwikinger> Riddell: I can mount manually.. I have the suspicion that I am missing the right group for the automount
[01:28] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please remove kio-sword ( txwikinger will confirm this).  It's non-function and won't be ported for Intrepid.
[01:28] <txwikinger> I confirm that Riddell
[01:29] <txwikinger> hmm.. lshal gives me an error message
[01:33] <Riddell> ScottK: kio-sword gone
[01:34] <Riddell> a|wen: why is su -c better than su ubuntu ?
[01:37] <a|wen> Riddell: because su ubuntu doesn't handle executing a command with arguments properly
[01:39] <ryanakca> no clue what is happening, but what about sudo -i ubuntu ?
[01:39] <a|wen> ryanakca: it's for executing a command as a user
[01:39] <ryanakca> ah :)
[01:40] <a|wen> ryanakca: su was already used (just used wrong) so thought i would keep using su
[01:40] <ryanakca> a|wen: and sudo -u ubuntu ?
[01:40] <ryanakca> *nod*
[01:41] <blizzz> where are the files from python-plasma-examples installed to?
[01:43] <a|wen> blizzz: "dpkg -L python-plasma-examples" should give you the answer
[01:43] <blizzz> a|wen: thanks a lot, didn't know the command
[01:44] <a|wen> blizzz: it's very useful :) ... "dpkg -S" maps the other way, eg. what package contains a certain file
[01:45] <blizzz> a|wen: for the later i always used apt-file
[01:48] <a|wen> blizzz: that works too ... but dpkg looks only at your own system, so is often faster and gives you the right answer even though it is from a manually installed 3rd party package etc.
[01:49] <blizzz> usually i use this if a file is missing and i don't know which package provides it
[01:55] <ScottK-laptop> Riddell: Thanks.
[01:56] <txwikinger> That is odd.. dbus does not start automatically
[02:13] <txwikinger> Ah .. that does the trick... but the usb disk will still not appear in the devices tray
[02:26] <Riddell> new kde translations done, time to snooze
[02:29] <a|wen> cool (if everything works now)
[02:30] <Riddell> fingers crossed
[02:32] <a|wen> yeah ... /me crosses fingers too
[02:44] <a|wen> g'nite ppl
[03:03] <rgreening> seems I missed all the action today.
[03:26] <jjesse> evning
[03:47] <txwikinger> ohoh.. I think I crashed adept
[03:47] <txwikinger> hi rgreening
[03:47] <mornfall> "think"?
[03:47] <mornfall> Hi, too.
[03:47] <mornfall> From Seoul. : - ]
[03:47] <rgreening> hey
[03:47] <txwikinger> mornfall: well.. I saw apport in htop
[03:47] <mornfall> txwikinger: And what happened to Adept?
[03:47] <txwikinger> and it took a while until it really crashed
[03:49] <txwikinger> what is apport doing now??? Previously it would file a bug
[03:50] <txwikinger> Ah.. created a crash file
[03:50] <rgreening> txwikinger: update-notifier-kde should have triggered apport to report the crash. If it didn't, then update-notifier-kde probably crashed. Restart toget the crash repirt genereated
[03:51] <rgreening> GUI report I mean...
[03:51] <txwikinger> crash report was generated and put into /var/crash
[03:51] <txwikinger> Ah
[03:51] <rgreening> :)
[03:51] <txwikinger> yes.. somehow a lot of things are not started on my machine
[03:51] <rgreening> weird.
[03:51] <txwikinger> I figured out that dbus had no rc?.d links
[03:52]  * jjesse is running kubuntu intrepid on his dell mini 9 :)
[03:52] <txwikinger> update-notifier-kde is not even installed
[03:53] <rgreening> txwikinger: it should be. remove kubuntu-desktop and re-install to get all the packages you are missing installed properly :)
[03:54] <rgreening> the kubuntu-desktop will pull in all the proper stuff on install
[03:54] <txwikinger> ah.. I get the new package notification :D
[04:42] <txwikinger> ~paste
[04:42] <txwikinger> ~pastebin
[04:43] <ScottK> !pastebin | txwikinger
[04:43] <txwikinger> !pastebin
[05:24] <ScottK> seele: Looks like I'm coming to the MD Loco release party with two teenagers in tow.
[05:24] <ScottK> You going?
[05:33] <NCommander> ScottK, your based in Maryland?
[05:33]  * NCommander assumes he remembers what MD is
[05:57] <txwikinger> Well.. my son is not here yet.. otherwise I would have him at Ontario Linux Fest
[08:02] <Tonio_> hi there
[09:10] <jussi01> morning Tonio_
[09:59] <Arby> morning all
[10:00] <Arby> I'm being bitten by bug 276129
[10:00] <Arby> according to the corresponding upstream bug this is fixed in kde svn
[10:00] <Arby> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=164265
[10:01] <Arby> how would I go about getting this fix into intrepid?
[10:01] <Arby> and is it considered important enough at this stage
[10:01] <Arby> ?
[11:09] <ScottK> NCommander: Yes.
[11:14]  * a|wen just found a way to reliably crash konqueror in intrepid ... choose viewmode "midnight commander"
[11:17] <NCommander> ScottK, yes to what?
[11:18] <ScottK> 0:33] <NCommander> ScottK, your based in Maryland?
[11:18] <NCommander> ScottK, ah, neat. I was going to go to the NY LoCo release party, but maybe I should drive to MD and meet you instead ;-)
[11:48] <ScottK> I'd appreciate it if someone would check the affected packages/languages in Bug #259180
[11:49]  * ScottK goes back to bed.
[11:49] <Riddell> ScottK: we're onto it
[11:49] <ScottK> Riddell: I understand, but slangasek complained I put the wrong bug back to High, I'm trying to at least get a correct milestoned bug for him.
[12:21] <apachelogger> a|wen: I didn't click it ;-)
[12:22] <a|wen> apachelogger: don't click if you have anything important open ;-) ... seems to have been broken for a pretty long time though http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=155656
[12:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: isn't that bug more of a duplicate anyway?
[12:23] <apachelogger> a|wen: why does it relate to the midnightcommannder profile?
[12:26] <a|wen> apachelogger: it suspect it is because the profile-file is broken in some way (specifying something that konq can't make sense of) ... or it might have to do with it opening a konsolepart
[12:26] <a|wen> s/it/I/1
[12:26] <apachelogger> well
[12:26] <apachelogger> it would only affect konqueror if it gets loaded
[12:27] <apachelogger> I doubt the release notes link opens the mc profile though :P
[12:34] <a|wen> apachelogger: he ... that would indeed be a silly thing to do :P
[12:37]  * apachelogger hats localized desktops -.-
[12:38]  * a|wen guesses that we haven't reached the goal yet
[12:38] <apachelogger> that said
[12:39] <apachelogger> Riddell: did you get the script?
[12:40] <Riddell> apachelogger: don't think so, but hopefully we won't need it
[12:40] <Riddell> anyone know the current status of kpilot?
[12:40] <apachelogger> it is broken, horribly broken ... judging from the lp bug reports ;-)
[12:42] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 284911
[12:43] <apachelogger> it appears to me kdelibs needs to be rebuilt
[13:08] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 285044
[13:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I don't get that one.
[13:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: do we have dbg packages in -updates?
[13:09] <apachelogger> a useful backtrace would certainly help
[13:10] <ScottK> Yes.  They're all there.
[13:12] <ScottK> Maybe a|wen will have a look at them.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bugs?field.tag=kde3.5.10
[13:12] <apachelogger> ha! bug 285073 is nice :D
[13:13]  * apachelogger is wondering why one would search for lib
[13:14] <ScottK> Because it was mentioned in the traceback.
[13:15] <mornfall> Oh great.
[13:15] <mornfall> That needs an exception.
[13:15] <mornfall> There are so many packages starting with lib that the system falls apart.
[13:15] <a|wen> ScottK: i'll subscribe myself to the bugs and take a look when i get a backtrace
[13:19] <apachelogger> mornfall: btw, does adept display results as it finds them?
[13:19] <mornfall> apachelogger: What do you mean?
[13:19]  * apachelogger thinks it would make sense to utilize one CPU core with searching and one with displaying the results on the fly
[13:19] <mornfall> Oh dear.
[13:19] <apachelogger> :D
[13:19] <apachelogger> that would make a lot of sense for such searches IMHO
[13:20] <mornfall> Is there any noticeable delay?
[13:20] <mornfall> With common, useful queries.
[13:20]  * apachelogger has no idea what a common query would be
[13:20] <mornfall> Well, not "lib".
[13:20] <mornfall> : - ]
[13:21] <mornfall> It does hit the disk, so it's not instantaneous, but I think it's much faster than in Adept 2.
[13:21] <apachelogger> mornfall: ok, common queries work ;-)
[13:21] <apachelogger> common by apachelogger's definition: "music" "video" "internet"
[13:22] <mornfall> These would be probably more common in installer than in manager.
[13:22] <mornfall> But I dunno.
[13:22] <mornfall> Appears people insist on using manager even when they have no idea how the package system works.
[13:22] <mornfall> (And then complain.)
[13:24]  * apachelogger opens installer
[13:25]  * apachelogger is wondering why so many icons are missing
[13:27] <apachelogger> mornfall: what would someone search for in manager?
[13:27] <apachelogger> I always thought of manager as a less fancy but more powerful installer
[13:30] <seele> ScottK: well if you are going then i'll have to show up :)
[13:32] <apachelogger> nixternal: I guess we can shoot bug 75416
[13:36] <Arby> Riddell or apachelogger, kde bug 164265 says there is a fix in kde svn that fixes bug 270799. Do you think that is important enough at this stage to try and make a (temporary) patch to backport the fix until 4.1.3 is released?
[13:37] <Riddell> Arby: could do, if the patch was human readable
[13:37] <Arby> well I've got time this afternoon to try and prepare a diff
[13:38] <Arby> I might as well try, although this may end in disaster :)
[13:39] <rgreening> morning all
[13:40] <Riddell> Arby: ping us if you get stuck
[13:40] <Arby> Riddell: highly likely :)
[13:40] <rgreening> Hey Riddell, anything you need fixed today that I can help with?
[13:44] <Riddell> rgreening: I don't think so, we should be moving into testing installs and upgrades now
[13:44]  * apachelogger is doing that for weeks :P
[13:44] <apachelogger> oh my ubuntu cd finished download
[13:44]  * apachelogger fires up vbox
[13:44] <rgreening> ok. I have a gineua pig to test on tonight
[13:45] <rgreening> what's a good vm software to test it under?
[13:45] <apachelogger> vbox
[13:45] <apachelogger> kvm should work as well
[13:45] <apachelogger> essentially everything freeish should work
[13:45] <rgreening> which is easiest to setup. never used a vm
[13:45] <apachelogger> vbox
[13:45] <mornfall> apachelogger: Dunno. More specific and more obscure things I guess.
[13:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: much like vmware
[13:46] <apachelogger> mornfall: in this case mid-word search should be working I guess ;-)
[13:46] <mornfall> Like "gcc documentation".
[13:46] <mornfall> mid-word?
[13:46] <mornfall> You don't use google to look for "internet" either. : - ]
[13:46] <rgreening> mornfall: when I type lemmin it should return pingus. it doesn't until I type lemmings
[13:46] <apachelogger> mornfall: bug 285050
[13:46] <mornfall> rgreening: Obviously.
[13:46] <apachelogger> the 2) wish
[13:46] <rgreening> shoul dpartial word search not be there?
[13:47] <rgreening> it was in the old adept
[13:47] <mornfall> rgreening: Lemming is not a word.
[13:47] <rgreening> users (like me) like that :)
[13:47] <apachelogger> ohm
[13:47] <mornfall> Lemmin*
[13:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: we need to pimp ubiquity for jaunty
[13:47] <rgreening> the old adept would display any partial word match
[13:47] <mornfall> Sure, it doesn't do spelling correction either.
[13:47] <apachelogger> Riddell: the GTK frontend looks more attractive for some reason
[13:47] <mornfall> rgreening: So what?
[13:47] <mornfall> Old Adept did various things.
[13:48] <mornfall> If you like it more, it's your call.
[13:48] <rgreening> lol. I liked the partials
[13:48] <mornfall> Try goggle for "lemming".
[13:48] <apachelogger> Riddell: and it got a zoomable map
[13:48] <mornfall> Eh.
[13:48] <mornfall> Lemmin.
[13:48] <mornfall> google.
[13:48] <mornfall> Whatever.
[13:48] <rgreening> :)
[13:48] <apachelogger> ~google lemmin
[13:48] <kubotu> Results for lemmin: 1. The Anti-Lemmin' Demo: http://www.randelshofer.ch/animations/anims/eric_w_schwartz/Anti-Lemmin2.anim.html | 2. Urban Dictionary: lemmin': http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lemmin' | 3. Lemmin, U.: http://enac.epfl.ch/page58481.html
[13:48] <rgreening> mornfall: btw thanks for the hard work on adept
[13:48] <apachelogger> anti-lemmin?
[13:48] <mornfall> rgreening: It's either partials or fast and actual keyword s earch.
[13:48] <apachelogger> oh my
[13:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: they have a shiny new partition bar is about all
[13:49] <mornfall> rgreening: Or it's slow and exact-substring search.
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, the general appearance is better
[13:49] <mornfall> rgreening: Try "gcc docs" in old adept.
[13:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: the zoomable map is not at all usable last I tried (it jumps in doesn't it?)
[13:49] <rgreening> mornfall: ok, then how come when I type lemmin for a second I see pingus appear and then the screen blank. It's doing the partial and hiding it
[13:49] <apachelogger> Riddell: you can also scroll by moving the mouse to the edges, and select the cities
[13:49] <mornfall> rgreening: It's doing -prefix- partial.
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd love a zoomable map more like google maps with a plus/minus button in a corder
[13:50] <Riddell> corner
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: marble ;-)
[13:50] <Riddell> but the jumping scrolling one they have I really don't like
[13:50] <mornfall> rgreening: And only on the last word and only until it figures there's end of that word.
[13:50] <mornfall> rgreening: Keeping all partials of everything around screws up other searches.
[13:50] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah, it feels weird
[13:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes marble would be fun, although size problems et al
[13:51] <mornfall> rgreening: Maybe I should make people hit enter and maybe do spelling-correction or something instead of search as you type.
[13:51] <mornfall> I am sure a different set of users will complain though.
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: problems exist to be solved ;-)
[13:51] <apachelogger> stupid OOo uses so much space :S
[13:52] <rgreening> mornfall: yes. that may be better
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: the partition bar reminds me on snake
[13:53] <rgreening> mornfall: thanks for getting us a new adept. It
[13:53] <rgreening> it appreciated :)
[13:54] <mornfall> : - ) You're welcome.
[13:54] <rgreening> :)
[13:59] <rgreening> mornfall: any hint on what may cause bug 285961
[14:01] <r0uzic> Hello
[14:01] <rgreening> mornfall: there seem to be a few sigsegv bugs starting to apprear.
[14:01] <r0uzic> i have a dude
[14:01] <rgreening> mornfall: I
[14:02] <rgreening> will have a llok and see if I can figure out the issue with the segfaults in adept... though may need some suggestion...
[14:02] <r0uzic> In intrepid, where is synaptics config? in xorg.conf haven't the config
[14:04] <mornfall> rgreening: Backtraces?
[14:04] <rgreening> In the bug report above...
[14:06] <rgreening> mornfall: it could be a qt bug... just not sure.
[14:06] <apachelogger> rgreening, Riddell: bug 280341
[14:06] <mornfall> Ah,  I understand.
[14:06] <mornfall> Not a Qt bug.
[14:06] <rgreening> ok.
[14:06] <rgreening> something I can fix?
[14:06] <mornfall> Maybe.
[14:07] <rgreening> tell me something to try
[14:07] <rgreening> :)
[14:07] <mornfall> When setModel() is called, the Extender stuff needs to clear up its internal state.
[14:07] <rgreening> ok
[14:07] <mornfall> Might just need to override setModel if its virtual.
[14:08] <mornfall> And close all editors before calling the parent's setModel.
[14:09] <rgreening> hmm.. ok, starting to get a bit past me now... lol. I'll still have a peek... and review the class ref's for the stuff you meantion.
[14:12] <mornfall> rgreening: Please let me know how it goes, maybe tomorrow -- if you don't come up with a fix, I'll do  that.
[14:12] <rgreening> mornfall: ok. I'll give it a go. I need to get into Qt and this is a good way to dive in...
[14:14] <rgreening> mornfall: this would be from packagelist.cpp I believe... correct?
[14:15] <mornfall> rgreening: More likely one of its ancestor classes.
[14:15] <mornfall> I suppose.
[14:15] <rgreening> ok
[14:15] <mornfall> Something with Extendable in name.
[14:15] <rgreening> ah
[14:30] <rgreening> apachelogger: I'll take a peek...
[14:32] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot167.png
[14:33] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot168.png
[14:36] <rgreening> don't enter your password.. it's a trojan sniffer called the Riddeller :P
[14:36]  * rgreening ducks
[14:39] <seele> apachelogger: that will always be on top?
[14:39] <apachelogger> oh my
[14:39] <apachelogger> seele: yes
[14:39] <seele> apachelogger: if a hidden app pops that up, will the window also move to the top of the stack?
[14:40] <apachelogger> most likely
[14:40] <apachelogger> didn't try
[14:40] <apachelogger> there are some fixes required to kwin anyway
[14:40] <apachelogger> for example the window doesn't get the kind of focus it would need to draw the darkenes
[14:40] <seele> the oxygen or plasma team should look at that and see if we should style it differently as well
[14:40] <seele> instead of just a popup without window dec
[14:41] <apachelogger> kdesu would show a nice icon, kdesudo does not for some reason
[14:43] <apachelogger> is someone with autohell knowledge around?
[14:50] <hunger> apachelogger: Not me... used to be pretty decent with it, but forgot everything since working with cmake:-)
[14:52] <hunger> apachelogger: Of course you might try me anyway.
[14:53] <txwikinger> man are the Gnome apps ugly
[14:53] <hunger> txwikinger: are you referring to the gui or the code? :-)
[14:54] <txwikinger> At the moment to the GUI
[14:54] <txwikinger> haven't looked at the code yet :D
[14:55] <apachelogger> hunger: please take a look at bug 285841
[14:55] <hunger> txwikinger: Well, some of them are actually decent.
[14:55]  * apachelogger doesn't think that is related to kdevelop at all but just crappy autotools stuff
[14:55] <txwikinger> Well.. but they GUI still does look very outdated... but maybe it is the default theme
[14:56] <apachelogger> the new ubuntu theme looks weird
[14:56] <apachelogger> I am not sure if they can be competition for OSX with that kind of theme
[14:57]  * apachelogger is a very narrow minded concerning that kind of stuff though ;-)
[14:57] <txwikinger> At is getting winter.. the birds are getting cooky
[15:00] <Tonio_> hi there
[15:00] <Tonio_> any idea how to override a desktop file with kde3 ?
[15:00] <Riddell> how do you mean?
[15:00] <Tonio_> I've been putting desktop files anywhere in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings, but couldn't make it to work
[15:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: hiding desktop files without deleting them in /usr/share/applications
[15:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: but hide them from the kmenu
[15:01] <Tonio_> I thought about puttint the files in /usr/share/kubuntu-default-settings/kde-profile/default/share/applications
[15:01] <hunger> apachelogger: Damn, you tricked me into launchpad:-| That site is sooooo slooooowwww.
[15:01] <Tonio_> with a hidden=true tag
[15:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: but that doesn't work
[15:02] <apachelogger> hunger: I add all the images to adblocker, now it almost works at decent speed ;-)
[15:02] <apachelogger> and almost looks better
[15:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: I seem to remember it worked with feisty
[15:03] <Riddell> NoDisplay=true
[15:03] <hunger> apachelogger: My guess is that this is a bug in libtool. Dunno who generated that, maybe that was actually done by kdevelop.
[15:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: same effect, doesn't work
[15:03] <hunger> apachelogger: Hard to say without the build system though...
[15:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: Hidden <> NoDisplay
[15:04] <apachelogger> hunger: suggestions for a course of action?
[15:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can hide anything but I have to patch desktop files directly, which is a bit boring when you have lots to patch....
[15:05] <hunger> apachelogger: I'll comment and ask for the a tar of the stuff he has after running configure. He might just need to escape some spaces...
[15:05] <apachelogger> hunger: thank you
[15:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: I don't know what you're trying to do
[15:05]  * hunger grumbles. At least I'll *try* to comment once LP lets me.
[15:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: well kiosk basically overrides rc files with kubuntu-default-settings content right ?
[15:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to use the same mecanism to make applications disapeared from within the kmenu
[15:06] <Riddell> why do you want them to disappear?
[15:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause the users aren't supposed to use them :)
[15:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: french parliament blabla :)
[15:07]  * apachelogger hunts for a ktorrent bug fix
[15:07] <hunger> Tonio_: IIRC that is not possible. As far as I know you can set up a new menu structure for each kiosk profile. Been a while since I looked into that though.
[15:07] <Tonio_> hunger: it used to work with feisty, I have a virtual machine here showing this..
[15:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: uninstall the application?
[15:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: we need the app :)
[15:08] <hunger> Tonio_: Hmmm. So I am wrong *again*.
[15:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I can delete the desktop file, or patch it, but I'd like something more maintainable on the long term :)
[15:08] <Riddell> kde4-config --path xdgdata-apps
[15:08] <Riddell> /home/jr/.local/share/applications/:/usr/share/applications/:/usr/local/share/applications/
[15:08] <Tonio_> hunger: bah, it seems to have changed in recent kde3..... they rewrote a big part of xdg things
[15:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: try /usr/local/share/applications/ then
[15:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: interesting ;) then the order might be important also....
[15:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing
[15:09] <Riddell> you could also try changing X$DG_DATA_DIRS
[15:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I couldn't find where it is defined...
[15:09] <Tonio_> not in my "env" btw
[15:10] <Tonio_> but the local/share thing might help :)
[15:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: in startkde?
[15:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: looking
[15:10] <Arby> Riddell: I have a patch for akregator now but I can't get it to apply. the error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/60128/
[15:10] <Arby> and the patch is http://paste.ubuntu.com/60129/
[15:10] <Riddell> looking at the order of that, /usr/local/ might be lower priority than /usr
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: can we still get bug fixes in for rc?
[15:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: more specific for bug 285807
[15:11] <Arby> I don't know what missing header for unified diff means basically
[15:11] <apachelogger> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/extragear/network/ktorrent/libbtcore/tracker/udptracker.cpp?r1=793951&r2=848206
[15:11] <Riddell> hmm, big patch Arby
[15:11]  * apachelogger goes finding something to eat
[15:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: if they're reviewable probably
[15:11] <Arby> Riddell: there are changes to multiple files
[15:12] <Arby> I haven't added anything, that came straight out of kde svn
[15:12] <Arby> if it's too big I'll save myself the pain
[15:12] <Arby> it should be fixed when 4.1.3 is released anyway
[15:14] <Arby> it just means releasing a crashy akregator when a fix is known which seems bad
[15:14] <Riddell> Arby: not sure, it doesn't want to apply for me either, how did you make the patch?
[15:15] <hunger> apachelogger: comment added.
[15:15] <hunger> apachelogger: FINALLY!
[15:15] <Arby> Riddell: apt-get source kdepim then make a diff of that against the svn checkout
[15:16] <Arby> Riddell: I've checked it against the changes on kde websvn and it's identical
[15:17] <Arby> I suppose it's possible that there are other changes between 4.1.2 and current svn that are needed for this to work
[15:17] <Arby> that's a bit beyond my level
[15:17] <Arby> and would make an even bigger patch
[15:20] <Riddell> Arby: how about this?  http://people.ubuntu.com/~jriddell/tmp/kdepim.diff
[15:20] <Arby> looking
[15:23] <Arby> Riddell: that seems to have worked, it's compiling now
[15:23] <Arby> what did you do different?
[15:24] <hunger> My konqueror sidebar has only the question mark items. Will that get fixed sometime soonish?
[15:25] <Riddell> Arby: just applied your patch without the troublesome bit (which was only whitespace) and remade the patch
[15:25] <Arby> Riddell: ok thanks, assuming this works what do I need to prepare? debdiff?
[15:25] <Riddell> hunger: hmm, that looks like an upgrade bug
[15:26] <Riddell> Arby: yes, compile, install test, dch -i to add changelog, debuild -S, debdiff old.dsc new.dsc
[15:28] <hunger> I wonder where the icons to be used in the sidebar are remembered...
[15:29] <Riddell> hunger: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqsidebartng
[15:29] <Riddell> hunger: I don't think there's anything to remove those entries if the sidebar modules no longer exist
[15:29] <Riddell> or update too probably
[15:30] <hunger> Riddel: There is nothing about icons there...
[15:30]  * hunger removed those files.
[15:30] <hunger> Nope. Icons are still broken.
[15:31] <apachelogger> oh
[15:31] <hunger> Actually the services entry has a proper icon. Everything else just got the ?-icon.
[15:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: I just had a magnificent idea... due to our kdesu patch for KDM in systemsettings it ought be possible to include kuser in systemsettings as well, without having an actual kcm, should I go for it?
[15:33] <Riddell> apachelogger: my instincs say no, that's a UI change and a potentially meddlesome code change
[15:33] <hunger> Riddell: Hah! Rolling back to system defaults fixed this issue.
[15:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: oki
[15:34] <hunger> Bookmarks are still there, but all my configuration under "Network" is gone:-/
[15:36]  * Riddell out for a bit
[15:48] <txwikinger> Does KDE4 still use klauncher?
[15:49] <hunger> txwikinger: Please remind me: What was klauncher doing again?
[15:52] <txwikinger> oops
[15:52] <hunger> txwikinger: kdebase contains a klauncher_iface.h still, so my guess is that it is still used.
[15:53] <hunger> txwikinger: It was ported to D-Bus which is another hint.
[15:53] <txwikinger> ok... then hopefully re-login will remedy the problem
[15:54] <txwikinger> yes.. it did :D
[16:05] <hunger> isen't digikam-kde4 available anymore?
[16:09] <hunger> digikam-doc is from the previous version by the way. You might want to update/remove it.
[16:14] <apachelogger> hunger: lastest digikam beta depends on KDE trunk, so we removed it from the archives
[16:14] <apachelogger> hunger: will be added to the same PPA where pre-4.2 will show up
[16:14] <hunger> apachelogger: Damn:-(
[16:14] <hunger> So I need to build it myself:-(
[16:14] <apachelogger> for now at least
[16:15] <apachelogger> wb emma
[16:15] <Tm_T> jolly good indeed
[16:16] <emma> Thanks, quite sorry for the bouncy connection the other night. Not sure what happened there, very uncharacteristic of my connection. :)
[16:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ktorrent ready for upload if you are ok with it http://paste.ubuntu.com/60150/
[16:30] <dfiloni> smarter: congrats
[16:32] <apachelogger> ~topic add smarter is MOTU (whatever that might be)
[16:33]  * apachelogger hands smarter a cookie and a sonic screwdriver
[16:40] <smarter> thanks guys :)
[16:41] <smarter> yeah, sonic screwdriver :P
[16:56] <apachelogger> smarter: so what are you going to do with all your new powas?
[16:56] <Riddell> apachelogger: fine if it has been tested
[16:56] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, in order to check whether it is fixed I would need to leave it running for a bit more :)
[16:57] <smarter> apachelogger: take over the w0rld!
[16:57] <apachelogger> sounds like a good idea
[16:57] <smarter> oh no hmm, I don't have enough powa to execute my secrete plans for world domination yet
[16:57] <smarter> so, improving Kubuntu I guess :)
[16:57] <smarter> apachelogger: and stop annoying people to upload my fixes :P
[16:58] <apachelogger> *nod*
[16:58]  * apachelogger thinks that he might have got the council to do something about their lag
[16:59] <apachelogger> at least they talked about it in one of their top secret meetings :P
[17:08] <Nightrose> smarter: congratulations
[17:09]  * Nightrose hands smarter another cookie
[17:09] <smarter> thanks :)
[17:09]  * smarter hugs Nightrose :]
[17:09]  * smarter hugs .*
[17:09] <Nightrose> :)
[17:09] <Nightrose> hehe
[17:11] <jussi01> !helpersnack | smarter
[17:12] <jussi01> :D
[17:12] <smarter> :P
[17:12] <smarter> !botsnack
[17:12] <smarter> thanks jussi01
[17:13] <jussi01> :)
[17:21] <apachelogger> our usplash image sux
[17:22] <apachelogger> xubuntu's is a lot better
[17:22] <Riddell> how?
[17:22] <apachelogger> almost sexy
[17:22] <apachelogger> considering usplash splashes aren't too attractive in general
[17:22] <apachelogger> their login manager theme also got something special
[17:27] <apachelogger> Nightrose: btw, do we get some small form factor devices? ;-)
[17:27] <Nightrose> apachelogger: i just returned 6 hours ago and still catching up
[17:27] <Nightrose> didn't even think about this yet
[17:27] <Nightrose> sorry ;-)
[17:27] <apachelogger> too bad
[17:34] <smarter> uh oh, the link aseigo posted in his latest blog post makes akregator crashes when I click on it
[17:34] <apachelogger> smarter: don't click it then
[17:34] <smarter> :P
[17:35] <smarter> ASSERT: "bsOrientation(bs) != bsOrientation(nextBS)" in file /build/buildd/kde4libs-4.1.2/khtml/rendering/render_inline.cpp, line 760
[17:35] <blizzz> happened to me to
[17:39] <apachelogger> hm
[17:40] <apachelogger> poor khtml gets most bug fixes of all KDE components and still stumbles over links :P
[17:41] <apachelogger> hm, do you think it would be too megalomaniacal too target 100% fix released bugs in all KDE core packages by 9.04?
[17:42] <jussi01> apachelogger: good luck with that - especially with konqueror...
[17:43]  * rgreening thinks konq needs a lot of love and attention
[17:43]  * jussi01 cries for poor konqeror... always gets left behind
[17:43] <apachelogger> if kdewebkit gets finished in time we might very well be able to use it in 9.04
[17:43] <apachelogger> that takes care of 3 billion bugs already
[17:43]  * apachelogger finds html rendering is awful stuff to work on
[17:44] <apachelogger> anywho, time to work on kde-nightly for intrepid
[17:44] <jussi01> apachelogger: yeah... Had an interesting suggestion from persia earlier today - wrt web browsing in kde:
[17:44] <jussi01> [11:17:53] <persia> jussi01, You know, it might be worth trying to make a firefox-kde-support package ...
[17:45] <jussi01> so we didnt take half of gnome with us whne installing firefox...
[17:45]  * apachelogger doesn't think firefox is worth the thinking
[17:45] <apachelogger> jussi01: webkit > gecko anyway
[17:46] <apachelogger> especially since the former can be embedded into konqi, making it load a gazillion times faster
[17:46] <jussi01> apachelogger: thats true, thugh it still needs lots of work. how arora doing, I shoulf check...
[17:47] <jussi01> yeah, konqi is pretty slow atm...
[17:47] <apachelogger> arora is no where near where konqueror or firefox are
[17:47] <apachelogger> jussi01: because of khtml
[17:47] <jussi01> apachelogger: I really hope that konqi webkit comes soon - I like konqi except it has a million bugs...
[17:48]  * apachelogger doesn't remember any recent bug
[17:48] <apachelogger> rendering glitches at time, but as said html rendering is awful
[17:55] <ScottK> smarter: Congratulations.
[17:57] <smarter> thanks ScottK :)
[18:03] <Arby> Riddell: I have a debdiff for akregator http://paste.ubuntu.com/60185/
[18:03] <Arby> Riddell: could you please review and if it's ok upload
[18:03] <Arby> it fixes the bug for me
[18:08] <Riddell> Arby: groovy
[18:08] <Riddell> Arby: "LP #270799" needs to be "LP: #270799", I can fix that
[18:09] <Riddell> silly syntax is that
[18:09] <Arby> oops, thanks
[18:12] <Riddell> Arby: uploaded!
[18:13] <Arby> thanks
[18:14]  * Arby looks for something else to fix
[18:24] <jussi01> Arby: I was just about to report a bug, but you could fix the adept updater opening in a tiny window...
[18:25] <rgreening> jussi01.. how tiny? works reasonably well here
[18:26] <rgreening> it should be doing an auto size hint... which seems to work for me
[18:27] <jussi01> rgreening: hang on, Ill get a screenie
[18:28] <rgreening> okie-dokie
[18:30] <jussi01> rgreening: http://www.jussi01.com/upload/uploads/20081020-202952-adept-manager.png
[18:31] <jussi01> rgreening: it would be nice to have it screen centered, but yeah... just wish list that
[18:32] <rgreening> hmm... yeah, nothing technically wrong there. I guess it could hint for centering and a larger width... but it's definately a wishlist. :)
[18:33] <jussi01> I got to run for a bit. if you want another wishlist that I need to report also, make ksnapshot default to a picture format when saving, not "all file types"
[18:33] <rgreening> lol... yeah
[19:35] <rgreening> just tested a clean vbox install of intrepid. Went cleanly and smoothly on my Acer 9410 (Intel vid and chipset). Doing updates to make sure still works.
[19:35] <rgreening> is this a true enough test?
[19:37]  * txwikinger does not know why he fixes ubuntu bugs....
[19:37] <txwikinger> Ah remember .. community cohesion :D
[19:40] <seele> uhm.. hmm.. i thought i temporarily fixed the default adept size with kwinrulesrc
[19:40] <seele> Arby: if you do fix the default size, you should take the adept entry out of kwinrulesrc
[19:41] <Arby> seele: I wasn't planning on it, I don't know how. I think rgreening was going to take a look
[19:42] <seele> rgreening: ^^
[19:46] <rgreening> seele: I don't think there's a problem per-se.. so I wasn't going to chane anything...
[19:46] <rgreening> s/chane/change
[19:47] <rgreening> I'm working on update-notifier-kde at the moment.. but after that, if you want me to take a stab at adept, I can
[19:48] <seele> it doesn't matter to me.. since there is a stop gap solution in kwinrulesrc, unless it is easy for you to fix i dont see the rush
[19:49] <rgreening> here is something annoying... the "more..." link to nothing in adept when looking at package details.
[19:49] <rgreening> :)
[19:50] <seele> hah
[19:57] <rgreening> yeah... click it and nothing happens... more? more what? lol
[20:02] <rgreening> Riddell: got a fix for bug 282676. Can you or someone else have a gander and see if it makes sense? http://paste.ubuntu.com/60220/
[20:15] <rgreening> someone want to sponsor my fix for update-notifier-kde bug 282676.  I have uploaded to kubuntu testing PPA. Currently building. It may not be the 100% best solution, but it is the least intrusive fix I see at the moment.
[20:16] <rgreening> bug 282676
[20:29] <rgreening> it seems the intrepid beta had update-notifier-kde-0.4, which is quite old and has lots of bugs. Thought we got a later version in than that...oh well...
[20:52] <Arby> Riddell: doing some bug triage for system-config-printer-kde
[20:52] <Arby> Riddell: do you happen to know if bug 198551 is fixed?
[20:53] <Arby> the changelog implies you fixed stuff in the applet in 0.06 but doesn't specify what.
[20:53] <Arby> the relevent traceback is http://paste.ubuntu.com/60230/
[21:57] <Riddell> Arby: I don't know I'm afraid
[21:58] <Riddell> Arby: that is a poor changelog indeed, you should be able to check the bzr if you're curious
[22:00] <Arby> I think I will, it seems odd for us to be loading files from com.redhat
[22:00] <Arby> Riddell: where does that code live?
[22:03] <Arby> Riddell: and while we're on the subject what's your opinion regarding  backporting fixes for s-c-p  KDE3.5.x?
[22:03] <Riddell> launchpad.net/system-config-printer I think
[22:03] <Riddell> (it's in KDE SVN now but not the version we're using)
[22:03] <Riddell> 3.5 doesn't use system-config-printer
[22:03] <Arby> for example bug 206459 has a possible fix that works in kde4 but not 3
[22:03] <Riddell> the file isn't from redhat, the dbus interface is
[22:03] <Arby> ok I see
[22:04] <Arby> ah, so are kde3 bugs filed against s-c-p misfiled then?
[22:04] <Arby> and if so where do they belong.
[22:05] <Riddell> that bug seems quite confused, it's not clear if it's printer-applet or system-config-printer-kde
[22:06] <Riddell> kde 3 should use kjobviewer, but I guess printer-applet will start too if you have it installed
[22:07] <Arby> I'll have to re-read it again.
[22:07] <Arby> I can see now why you said s-c-p needs some love :)
[22:08] <Arby> Riddell: I don't quite understand the distinction between s-c-p and printer-applet either
[22:09] <Arby> Riddell: are they part of the same package or does applet come from somewhere else?
[22:09] <Riddell> they were part of the same source come to think of it
[22:09] <Riddell> they're separate now but I guess not in hardy
[22:10] <Riddell> ok, I think i understand
[22:10] <Arby> now that clarifies a lot
[22:10] <Riddell> system-config-printer-applet-kde is the old name for printer-applet when it was part of the same source package
[22:11] <Riddell> and someone in that bug has given from a copy of the new printer-applet to try, which won't work since it's KDE 4 (previously it was only Qt 4)
[22:11] <Riddell> Arby: so you can close the bug, it's fixed in intrepid
[22:11] <Riddell> printer-applet now comes from kdeutils source
[22:12] <Arby> ok that also helps to know
[22:14] <Arby> Riddell: possibly not, ScottK has reported a similar bug in intrepid. bug 276321
[22:14] <Arby> or has it been fixed more recently than that?
[22:14] <Riddell> tsk that ScottK, always finding bugs
[22:16] <Arby> ScottK: does 276321 ^^ still occur for you?
[22:17] <Riddell> https://bugs.kde.org/167699
[22:17] <NCommander> Hey Riddell
[22:17] <Riddell> so it is still sometimes an issue
[22:17] <Riddell> evening NCommander
[22:19] <txwikinger> Do we still have an ssh-askpass-kde or something like that?
[22:22] <txwikinger> Ah .. think I found it.. ksshaskpass
[22:22] <txwikinger> a little odd named though
[22:23] <txwikinger> hmm .. KDE3 and seems to work a little different
[22:26] <NCommander> apachelogger, ping?
[22:30] <Arby> Riddell: what's your opinion of bug 234822? wishlist or not relevent to system-config-printer and leave it to jockey?
[22:31] <Riddell> Arby: installation is done by system-config-printer (-kde is just a frontend)
[22:33] <Arby> Riddell: ok, I'll change the package then. is it something that should work now or is it a wishlist for a new feature?
[22:34] <Riddell> Arby: I suspect if it's in multiverse it won't be integrated
[22:34] <Riddell> so yes a wishlist
[22:34] <Arby> thanks
[22:36] <Arby> ah, my membership seems to have expired, anybody here have permissions to set bug importance?
[22:37] <Riddell> membership to what?
[22:38] <Arby> bug control
[22:38] <Arby> or ubuntu-qa or whatever it's called now
[22:38] <Riddell> aren't there people who can renew that?
[22:39] <Arby> yes, but not right now.
[22:39] <Arby>  well they could if I could find them
[22:39]  * Arby goes to investigate
[22:40] <Riddell> jcastro for example, poke
[22:42] <Riddell> looks like we have CD images to start testing
[22:47] <kwwii> Riddell: I just bought a new system for testing, poke me with info and I'd be happy to test anything you like
[23:31] <ScottK> Riddell: It usually happens, but not always now (it used to be always).
[23:32] <yuriy> oh great. you guys drove Riddell to jump off a bridge
[23:32] <yuriy> ;)