[00:00] etfb: you can get a kde4 version of kubuntu hardy [00:00] people.... how can I turn russian language in Kopete on? Now I hawe only english. When I press "Alt+Shift" nothing heppen. [00:00] i found it very disapointing for the 10 minutes until I ran back to kde3 with my tail 'twixt my legs [00:00] Tann: Yes, but you can get a nuclear reactor without lead shielding too. Doesn't mean you should... [00:00] etfb: yeah I know [00:00] benbloom: What's that - Gnome or KDE4? [00:00] The_ManU_212, from what i am seein g in the 8.10 repos . there may be some kde3 apps still in there.. but its a bit hard to tell. Im trying ubuntu right now. Not kubuntu [00:01] kde4 [00:01] i use Gnome on my laptop. but I'm thinking about stepping back to Xfce for resource savings [00:02] dr_willis: If I ever have to do a clean install of intrepid (with kde4 at its current state) I would use ubuntu [00:02] dr_willis: you dont mean me? [00:02] benbloom: Ah. I kind of wish I had a way to test it, but there's no point doing usability testing inside a virtual machine, for obvious reasons. [00:02] * dr_willis i still wakeing up. :) [00:02] my laptop is maxed at 512 ram and I'm finding it VERY SLOW [00:02] I got 8.10 going inside virtualbox here. [00:03] benbloom: My daughter had Xubuntu on her old desktop computer, but the speed savings weren't much. Better to add more memory. [00:03] and on a laptop. I will admit wireless worked without any tricks/hacks/work on 8.10 for me.. which is a first. [00:03] benbloom: She's got a slightly faster machine with more RAM and Kubuntu 8.04, and she's fine with it. [00:03] petr: Kopete has a translator plugin under Settings>Configure Plugins [00:04] second DIMM is broken :( max capacity is 512 per slot [00:04] benbloom: Bother! [00:04] I [00:04] i'd have to replace the motherboard [00:04] bought the computer for $100 [00:05] so Xubuntu isn't much leaner in terms of system resources? [00:06] No. I have actually heard from someone that it was slower. (I'm not too sure about that though) [00:06] hmmm. you're making me very sad guys [00:06] jwm + rox-filer is rather minimal :) [00:07] BTW dr_willis last night you helped me with display problems right? [00:07] benbloom: My experience was that the slow old PC she used to use (AMD Duron, 384Mb) was slow no matter what. Maybe I was foolish to give her that box in the first place, tho it runs OK with Windows 2000 as our only Microsoft box. [00:07] I recall helping 2 people yesterday.. both had issues with KVM switches. [00:07] :) [00:08] yes. so anyway the problem's fixed without messing with the KVM. just had to add 1 mode to the xorg.conf and reboot [00:08] i recall that helping one person.. then the 2nd i told to do that.. well i had to leave befor i learned if that worked.. [00:08] so now we know the answer! :) [00:08] my Ram problems turned out to be hardware compatibility issue. Patriot ram seem's to have a lot of that [00:10] Better go do work. Another day, another pile of house repairs. Bye all! [00:11] so jwm is pretty lightweight? [00:12] if theres a wm lighter then JWM ive not seen it... [00:12] :) [00:12] !info jwm [00:12] jwm (source: jwm): Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1.1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 284 kB [00:12] !info twm [00:12] twm (source: twm): Tab window manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.0.3-3 (hardy), package size 107 kB, installed size 380 kB [00:13] beats twm by 100k [00:13] I want to be able to play music, surf the web and run a spreadsheet editor (excell clone) is that the kind I could do with jwm? [00:13] matchbox mightbe smaller.. but matchbox is weird. [00:13] the window manager wont matter for that benbloom [00:13] its just the under laying foundation.. the apps allstill run the same [00:14] i got a queston for adept manager, i use it for updates, which options offers it, can i also deactivate a part of an update? and the ubvuntu signs what are they for? [00:14] jwm may take some tweaking to get set up how you like it. (edit the .jwmrc file) [00:14] I use rox-filer with jwm to get icons on the desktop and work as its filemanager [00:14] does changing wms make a big dif in how resources are allocated? in otherwords is gnome the problem? or is it my apps? [00:15] gnome uses a bit of ram.. but the apps i imagine are using most of it. [00:15] firefox can be a hog. and Openoffice - also a real ram grabber [00:15] yeah. i [00:15] ve noticed [00:16] god forbid I should run both at once... my system nearly freezes [00:16] problem with jwm - will be theres no 'auto mounting of removeable media' stuff.. you would have to use some mounting gui apps most likely. [00:16] ok. that's good to know. [00:17] and as far as making the switch. can I install jwm and then somehow tell gnome to stop loading (or uninstall it) [00:17] or do i have to rebuild my OS from the ground up [00:17] the GDM screen should have a sessions entry for jdm === frozzenfire_ is now known as frozzenfire [00:17] jwm [00:17] ah. right [00:18] this is linux.. you dont rebuild the OS just to change window managers. :) [00:18] Thats windows... [00:18] ;P [00:18] lol. still getting used to it [00:18] freedom [00:18] * benbloom sighs [00:18] sudo apt-get install jwm rox-filer [00:19] and is there a good alternative to editing spreadsheets on openoffice? [00:19] gnome has some spreadsheet tool. [00:19] I've already decided to switch to opera [00:19] but i dont know how compatiabel it is. [00:19] with jwm? [00:19] the window manager wont matter... [00:19] :) we covered that [00:19] right sorry [00:20] gnumeric may not have all the fetures of OOcalc [00:20] forgot (I get the concepts just haven't gotten used to them) [00:20] so what's up with all the kprograms? u don't need kubuntu to run them but they are "intigrated" what does that even mean? [00:22] i meant kde not kubuntu [00:22] They use the kde libraryes. [00:22] You can mixx and match kde and gnome apps with each other all you want [00:22] 'Linux is like Legos' - Differnt blocks forming layers.. that you then put other blocks on. :) [00:22] so those load as needed only right? (the kde libs) [00:22] Yep [00:23] so if you use a kde app and a gnome app. you just loaded both set of libs. [00:23] !info jwm [00:23] and unload when a program closes? [00:23] jwm (source: jwm): Very small lightweight pure X11 window manager with tray and menus. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.1-1.1 (hardy), package size 93 kB, installed size 284 kB [00:23] note that jwm is a 'pure X11' its using just the basic X libs. Not the QT or GTK libs. [00:24] so the advantage there is that those libraries are only loaded as needed by the programs i use (if at all) [00:25] ? [00:25] basically [00:26] k so what's the point of Xubuntu then? sounds like it's not doing it's goal [00:26] xubuntu is still using gtk for most of it stuff.. its very close to 'gnome' [00:26] I think its using gtk... [00:26] it just dosent use as much ram as gnome. [00:27] I thought it used xfce instead of gtk? [00:27] xfce the name of the desktop [00:28] see http://xwinman.org/ [00:28] Xfce is a lightweight desktop environment for UNIX platforms. It is similar to the commercial CDE, and is now based on the GTK+ toolkit. [00:33] I thought the whole point of xubuntu was to create a minimalist OS for people with limited resources [00:33] xubuntu is more minimal then gnome [00:34] if you want VERY VERY light system, theres DSL, and PUPPYlinux [00:34] Anyone unable to get the "loading kernel" box to show up when trying kubuntu 8.10 beta (i386) cd? [00:34] You can only trim so much out and keep full 'desktop' functionality [00:34] I can't get the "Check CD for defects" item to work either [00:35] damn someone help me [00:35] any specific chan to ask about software....need something to edit the video / avi make it brighter ? [00:35] my KDE keep creating snapshot [00:35] windows [00:35] when if i kill the ksnpashot process [00:35] it keep appearing [00:35] what going on [00:35] !enter [00:35] ciao [00:35] Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [00:36] sorry [00:36] cant say that i ever used ksnapshot. :) i wonder if its not got some settingto do that.. check its settings? [00:36] nah its a bug [00:36] very possible. [00:36] this is kde3 or 4? [00:37] i have hold the button printscreen for like 1 seocnd by mistake [00:37] now its spamming like 324674323167486871264278 windows [00:37] even if i kill the process.. [00:37] lol [00:37] hmm not sure what kde.. i use 8.04 version [00:38] you have some sort of "sudo" stickey key ? [00:38] nah excpet if kde did it by default [00:38] ./exec kdeversion if ya usin konversation [00:38] Qt: 3.3.8b [00:38] KDE: 3.5.10 [00:38] kde-config: 1.0 [00:38] ./exec kdeversion [00:38] ops [00:38] no . [00:39] kubuntu kicks ars [00:39] Qt: 3.3.8b [00:39] KDE: 3.5.9 [00:39] kde-config: 1.0 [00:39] KDE: 3.5.9 [00:40] ./exec cmd uname -a [00:40] er [00:40] Linux BlackBox 2.6.24-21-generic #1 SMP Mon Aug 25 16:57:51 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux [00:40] Linux van 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Wed Aug 20 22:56:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux [00:41] * mjbt38 64bit [00:41] O_O [00:41] testing out 64bit on my laptop now. :) [00:41] what's better on 64bit ? [00:42] more bits.. to impress the chicks... [00:42] :) [00:42] lol.. [00:42] some tasks are supposed to be faster [00:42] more ram access.. [00:42] i hear battery life may be worse [00:42] we can use bigmem support with 32bit [00:42] for the ram.. [00:42] memory isent really an issue untill you get over 4gb... [00:42] how much ram you got? [00:42] or if you have exactly 4gb - which my laptop does [00:43] dont tell me ur one of those freak tat get like 16gb ram on a little station [00:43] It even came with 64bit windows. [00:43] oh ok [00:43] my laptop has 4gb too [00:43] i use 32bit version and its works fine :) [00:43] desktop box has 3gb. :) [00:43] why need the 64bit O_O [00:43] even with exactly 4gb - i imagine im not gettingit 'all' under 32bit. [00:44] hmm well [00:44] i am thinking to buy the little ASUS n10j [00:44] its fucking small and lighter with 320 HD and 2gb ram [00:44] =D [00:44] houdl i go for it? [00:45] Big Toys for Big Boys. [00:45] :) [00:45] hmm should i got for it or not? [00:45] =/ [00:45] still thinking === dennis_ is now known as ImRaiNe [00:47] hey dr_willis (or anyone else for that matter) is there a good lean network control utility for jwm [00:47] -NickServ- is not a valid email address. [00:47] it is too [00:47] anybody ther? [00:47] Sysinfo for 'BlackBox': Linux 2.6.24-21-generic running KDE 3.5.10, CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz at 3502 MHz (7006 bogomips), HD: 97/230GB, RAM: 1998/2014MB, 118 proc's, 7.53h up [00:47] ./exec sysinfo [00:48] exec sysinfo [00:48] fail [00:48] Sysinfo for 'van': Linux 2.6.24-19-generic running KDE 3.5.9, CPU: Intel(R)Pentium(R)4CPU3.00GHz at 2400 MHz (6000 bogomips), , RAM: 2044/3034MB, 158 proc's, 19.14min up === capiira is now known as captain_planet === captain_planet is now known as captainplanet [00:48] benbloom, to controll what part/features ? Ive never really needed to do much with networks :) other then connect.. [00:49] wireless connect [00:49] can anybody help me fix my kde [00:49] I could use the cl but I don't know how [00:49] hi i need a litle help whit my splash screen [00:49] Pitivi Video Editor [00:49] er sorry [00:49] brb [00:49] I dont use wireless... :) but i may start.. since it now works with 8.10 [00:50] benbloom, to do wireless stuff you will have to run that nm-applet/tool most likely === heiner_ is now known as crapo_vert [00:50] dr_willis what op u got? [00:50] sorry os [00:50] network-manager [00:50] testing 8.10 64bit Ubuntu on the laptop.. wireless WORKED! :) [00:51] Hey, i#ve isntalled kubuntu 8.10 Beta ...but with firefox xserver crashs very often :( any solutions? [00:51] same here but has been working for a while [00:51] great so those applets don't require all the gnome libs? [00:51] hi i need a litle help whit my splash screen [00:52] it dont work on 64bit crapo_vert [00:52] not for me it didnt [00:52] i took it out and just used kde-desktop [00:53] 32bit tho ...no clue [00:53] But i've got 32bit only athlonXp 2200+ [00:54] hmm [00:55] ati graphics? [00:56] I burned a divx video to CD, plays fine in wondows. Won't play on my kubuntu box. I do have the divx codecs from the repo, any suggestions? [00:56] bye, people. [00:57] bye [00:57] No ati, got nvidia. [00:58] printer scanner help any one?? [00:59] what about the printer/scanner? [01:00] * memeemeee switched over to the laptop (gotta watch the REDSOX!!!) [01:00] it prints but not scans [01:00] its a epson [01:01] may have to use ndiswrapper to run the proper drivers [01:01] ??? [01:02] im new [01:03] google ndiswrapper. I don't know enough to explain it properly. [01:03] but in short it will take the .sys and .inf files of windows drivers and use them to run the printer/scanner [01:04] Anyone have any info on playing divx video files when the divx codec from the repo aren't working? === mike is now known as contrast [01:05] the CD I burned plays fine on my windows box, but won't play in Kubuntu [01:05] Greets, everyone... [01:05] !restricted [01:05] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [01:05] !restricted | donjr_KS [01:05] donjr_KS: please see above [01:06] thanks [01:06] np [01:07] Anyone here use Kino? I'm trying to figure out how to select the audio track on an imported .vob file that has more than one. [01:08] KS it just says a lot about wireless drivers [01:11] anyone got a 8400M GS and can adjust the led brightness? (this is eating more time than my job does...) [01:26] ok. anyone know about minimal installations of ubuntu? is there a channel I should join? [01:27] * memeemeee is away: I'm busy [01:27] memeemeee: what exactly do you need to know? i've done a few installs from the minimal cd. [01:33] contrast, I'm running on limited resources on my laptop and I want to switch to jwm [01:34] I'm actually running ubuntu on my laptop now (been using kubuntu on my desktop which is why I asked here) [01:36] memeemeee: ok... so what's your question? :) [01:37] to room in general: I've been running Ubuntu 8.04, but using KTorrent has been eating up a lot of memory. Things were laggy. Switched to Xfce/Kubuntu and things are *better*. [01:38] well. for one thing I want to load into x11/jwm directly at boot without having to drop into failsafe terminal first [01:39] memory is cheap these days . I added a 1G stick for $35 [01:39] Hi there. [01:39] hi! [01:40] Hi all. I recently installed Kubuntu 8.04 on my laptop and since 8.04 doesn't have drivers for my wireless card, I used NDISwrapper to install them. The drivers are properly installed, however I am having difficulties configuring the computer to use the wireless. It shows me both an eth0 and a wlan0 interface so I know the card is working (also the card works under windows), but I don't know how to tell Kubuntu to use the wlan0 conn [01:40] also, I Imagine there's some kind of jwmrc or autoload file I can start my applets from [01:40] to room: any torrent client better than KTorrent, for memory issues? [01:40] Im having trouble anabling nvidia driver on kde4 it worked on 3 though [01:40] does NDISwrapper work on printers??? [01:40] anyone good with that [01:41] memeemeee: not sure, sorry. i've never used jwm, nor have i gone w/o a display manager. you know you can use gdm or kdm w/o having gnome or kde installed, right? [01:41] NDISwrapper is only for wifi drivers [01:41] What kind of printer do you have? [01:41] there are other lightweight display managers as well [01:41] ok what good for printer/scanners? [01:41] kryks, are all restricted drivers enabled? [01:42] BrB [01:42] Blueskaj, I'm such a neophyte I'm still trying to figure out which memory is appropriate for my laptop. And $35 has better uses 'round these parts right now, sadly. [01:42] BluesKaj, not everyone can upgrade their hardware. $ is not the only limitation [01:44] memeemeee: usually the easiest upgrade is memory [01:44] BluesKaj that's true however on some laptops it can be a bitch [01:44] right [01:44] either because the machine is outdated and memory is no longer available or because it's proprietary [01:45] Anyone here use Kino? I'm trying to figure out how to select the audio track on an imported .vob. [01:45] BluesKaj, i've got a laptop with only 1 functioning DIMM and it's max RAM is 512 [01:46] then using a barebones install and desktop like xfc will make a large diff [01:46] just saying-- I wish I could just ad $$ to my computer instead of having to conserve resources in my wm [01:46] anybody got suggestions for my wireless config issue? [01:47] memeemeee: enlightenment is definitely worth checking out also - there's a repo for the latest e17: deb http://e17.dunnewind.net/ubuntu hardy e17 [01:47] kyrks, for me it was always forgetting to enable restricted drivers. That's as much use as I can be of to you, sorry. [01:48] how do I enable restricted drivers? [01:48] kyrksaeterora, what was the wireless problem again? [01:49] drivers are installed, card works right, but I can't get the computer to connect through the wlan0 interface and not the eth0 [01:49] there's no ethernet cord in it [01:49] kyrksaeterora, what KDE version? [01:49] xD [01:49] 3.x [01:49] ouch XD [01:49] could someone help me to get to work any gateway/router applitation on my ubuntu? [01:49] Its under the System Menu [01:49] Hardware Drivers Manager [01:49] a wireless printer? kyrksaeterora [01:49] memeemeee no [01:49] here lemme paste it [01:49] Hi all. I recently installed Kubuntu 8.04 on my laptop and since 8.04 doesn't have drivers for my wireless card, I used NDISwrapper to install them. The drivers are properly installed, however I am having difficulties configuring the computer to use the wireless. It shows me both an eth0 and a wlan0 interface so I know the card is working (also the card works under windows), but I don't know how to tell Kubuntu to use the wlan0 conn [01:50] ah [01:50] i had this problem [01:50] which wireless card u using? [01:50] Dragon_Master underneath the hardware drivers program I get no drivers shown [01:50] memeemeee, Airlink101 AWLC3026, it has the Mrv8k chipset [01:51] oO [01:51] i know, i know [01:51] I got it for free with the laptop [01:51] it works [01:51] if I had to buy my own wireless card I'd have a bloody netgear [01:51] ^5 kyrksaeterora [01:52] what? [01:52] NETGEAR WPN111 here =P [01:52] xD [01:52] punk [01:52] =/ [01:52] NETGEAR Wireless G+Mimo Router >> [01:52] also if I wasn't broke I'd just go get a netgear card for simplicity [01:52] on my desktop I've got a Linksys SRX400 PCI card and I have an SRX400 router [01:52] I think that was a "high five", kyrks [01:53] oh snap [01:53] i see what you did there [01:53] xD [01:53] brb [01:53] gotta restart after KDE update >> [01:53] netgear is pro. I had a netgear wireless card with my last laptop but it got jacked [01:53] dang [01:53] xD [01:54] needed a lappy for school so I ended up paying $400 for a similarly aged dell (had a compaq before) with that wireless card but no working speakers [01:54] sucks, Kyrks. Both card and laptop, or just card? [01:54] Mine I bought for 60$ at Office Depot [01:54] xD [01:54] laptop got jacked, card was in it [01:54] of course [01:54] Feh! A pox on the thief! [01:54] the guy who did it [01:54] was a blitering idiot [01:54] kyrksaeterora, Alienware Aurora m9700, Kubuntu 8.04 KDE 4.1.2 [01:55] =] [01:55] he went through my internet history wherein he logged on to some forums I moderate [01:55] so I checked my own posting IP [01:55] if it got jacked I'd be on the hunt [01:55] xD [01:55] tracert'd every IP [01:55] found one that wasn't me [01:55] ended up bombing the fuck out of my old lappy [01:55] >< [01:55] brb [01:55] wow, poor thing. A sacrifice for the cause. [01:56] =] [01:56] Dragon_Master: did u help me before [01:56] Anyone here use Kino? I'm trying to figure out how to select the audio track on an imported .vob. [01:56] memeemeee you there? [01:57] kyrksaeterora, i am. sorry [01:57] k [01:57] just checking [01:57] got a lot of windows open plus watching the redsox [01:58] memeemeee i just did a 'ndiswrapper -l' and it came up with 'mrv8000c : driver installed, device present" [01:58] also the light on the card is blinking, just the power light, not the data one [01:58] I found the solutions to my wlan config problems on ubuntuforums but I have broadcom which seems to be well supported [01:58] is it a PCMCIA card? or internal [01:59] PCMCIA. [01:59] hehe [01:59] PCMCIA = people can't memorize computer industry acronyms [01:59] yeah-- I guess I'm not going to be much help [02:04] how do i remove my nvidia drivers [02:04] how were they installed ? [02:05] kubuntu told me they were avalable [02:05] i selected the recomented one [02:05] everytime kubuntu starts it shows nvidia and some rubish then comes up fail in red [02:05] still starts x [02:06] but no 3d support [02:07] basicly a popup apeared saying trhere are drivers avalable [02:07] i just selected the recomended one [02:07] bigest mistake i did [02:07] lol [02:16] Wharfedale: was it a .gz or .bz2 file ? [02:18] portugues onde [02:18] I'm pretty sure everybody here only speaks english, girao. Sorry. [02:18] !pt | girao [02:18] girao: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [02:18] or that === david is now known as blacklemon67 [02:26] ola [02:26] opa [02:27] sabem alguma coisa sobre o kurumin ng [02:28] girao: Ingles, por favor. [02:29] i'm not god in inglês [02:29] We don't speak portuguese. [02:29] !pt [02:29] Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt para ajuda em português. Obrigado. [02:30] tanks [02:30] De nada. :-) [02:30] i have correct driver instaled for nvidia [02:30] yet its not working when i upgraded to kde4 [02:30] any ideas? === laksjdhflas is now known as EvilDaemon [02:32] how do you do for doing update in kde??? [02:33] WHat do you mean? [02:33] i use kurumin ng, i guess than i use kde 3.... cause my version is 8.06 [02:34] the version of kde 4 is better than the version of kde 3? [02:35] gui, looks nice, im having graphics problems though [02:36] haha [02:36] gui: KDE3 is more mature, KDE4 is the future. [02:36] how can I upgrade from KDE 3.x to KDE 4.1? [02:36] hum.. [02:36] Darthfrog, u any good with graphics [02:36] !kde4 [02:36] KDE 4.1.2 is the latest major release of the K Desktop Environment. Packages can be found at http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2 - Support in #kubuntu-kde4 [02:36] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu [02:36] wharf: Not really. Sorry. [02:36] gui not under intrepid, under hardy [02:37]