[00:01] <vagab0nd> been there done that...
[00:02] <vagab0nd> guess I'll just go back to vista... that shit WORKS at least
[00:04] <charlie-tca> vagab0nd: what is your wireless card?
[00:04] <charlie-tca> what version of xubuntu?
[00:04] <vagab0nd> dlink dwlg520 atheros chipset, hardy 8.04
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: do you have the windows install disk for your card?
[00:05] <vagab0nd> yeah
[00:05] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: i guess we could try ndiswrapper...
[00:05] <vagab0nd> I thought that was a last resort?
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> not really...
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> ndiswrapper often works...
[00:06] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: are you on anther computer right now? or wired in?
[00:07] <vagab0nd> another, wireless
[00:07] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: first of all, tell me what have you tried already...
[00:07] <vagab0nd> tried installing madwifi
[00:07] <vagab0nd> said it was already there
[00:08] <Odd-rationale> do you have the link to the guide you were trying to follow?
[00:08] <vagab0nd> nope
[00:08] <vagab0nd> I have wep enabled
[00:08] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: would it be possible for you to wire in the computer we want to work on?
[00:08] <vagab0nd> maybe thats it?
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> i would like you to pastebin some stuff
[00:09] <vagab0nd> maybe later, u think ndiswrapper will work?
[00:09] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: i would definetely give it a try.
[00:09] <vagab0nd> why does it keep asking for the wep key I put it in 30 times already
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> vagab0nd: try disabling all encryption...
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> and see if you can connect...
[00:10] <vagab0nd> permanently?
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> no, just try... for diagnosis
[00:10] <MHz128> hi all
[00:10] <Odd-rationale> hi, MHz128
[00:11] <MHz128> My laptop trackpad has been disabled somehow, is there a package available for track pad settings?
[00:11] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: you would usually configure that in your /etc/X11/xorg.conf file.
[00:12] <MHz128> Is there a graphical frontend that could be added to the system settings panel?
[00:12] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: not that i know of...
[00:13] <MHz128> ok. What do I need to add to xorg.conf?
[00:13] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: try reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad
[00:13] <MHz128> 10 4, thanks Odd-rationale
[00:14] <Odd-rationale> hope that helps!
[00:17] <MHz128> Damn. According to xorg.conf track pad is already enabled!
[00:18] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: tried restarting X?
[00:19] <MHz128> well, its been booting with no touchpad for the last 10 times, so Im assuming something else is wrong
[00:19] <MHz128> I will try again. :)
[00:24] <MHz128> oh btw, can xubuntu do automatic upgrades? like updating from 8.04 to 8.10 ?
[00:24] <MHz128> or do I need to reinstall...
[00:24] <Odd-rationale> yeah, all *buntu's can bump up versions...
[00:24] <Odd-rationale> but i like to reinstall... :P
[00:27] <MHz128> how come?
[00:28] <Odd-rationale> MHz128: feels cleaner... also *sometimes* updates don't work...
[00:29] <MHz128> hehehe cool
[00:29] <MHz128> i gotta restart
[02:28] <CapTech> OMG.  xubuntu 8.10 is smokin' hot!
[02:29] <charlie-tca> nod
[02:30]  * charlie-tca nods
[02:30] <charlie-tca> and I thought it was just me!
[02:31] <CapTech> This is the first time I've used a 64-bit OS (of any flavor), that's worked out of the box.
[02:46] <charlie-tca> I think it's the best Xubuntu yet. It's working real good for this stage.
[02:46] <charlie-tca> CapTech: did you install from the daily cd or the beta cd?
[02:46] <CapTech> I believe the daily.
[02:46] <CapTech> Can't be sure on that.
[02:46] <CapTech> I've not had any prompts that updates are available.
[02:47] <charlie-tca> Okay. I'm real glad it's working for you. I ordered a 64-bit motherboard and cpu but it's not here yet.
[02:48] <CapTech> Want a screenshot?
[02:48] <Michael_RN> Hi, I'm having some installation trouble.
[02:48] <charlie-tca> No, I've installed the 32-bit versions
[02:48] <charlie-tca> Michael_RN: what's wrong?
[02:49] <charlie-tca> Okay, i'll guess - network didn't work
[02:50] <charlie-tca> no login screen
[02:50] <charlie-tca> white screen after logging in
[02:50] <Michael_RN> Installing xubuntu from a CD on a Compaq Armada M700. Freezes at the "installing system/detecting file systems message.
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 8.10?
[02:51] <Michael_RN> not even that far, charlie.
[02:51] <Michael_RN> yes,
[02:51] <Michael_RN> 8.10
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Daily or beta live cd
[02:51] <Michael_RN> live CD
[02:51] <charlie-tca> Already had partitions on the drive?
[02:52] <Michael_RN> yes
[02:52] <charlie-tca> I hate to say it, but you will need to download today's daily live cd or use the alternate install cd.
[02:52] <charlie-tca> It's known, and in work.
[02:53] <charlie-tca> !download
[02:53] <charlie-tca> wrong place
[02:53] <Michael_RN> where where from?
[02:53] <charlie-tca> Grab the Xubuntu daily live cd at
[02:54] <charlie-tca> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[02:54] <charlie-tca> It will install even with manual partitioning and existing partitions
[02:55] <Michael_RN> thanks, I'll try it.
[02:55] <charlie-tca> Drop back in if you run into any problems, and just ask your question. We'll get to you even if it takes a little time
[02:56] <charlie-tca> You can also get help with intrepid on #ubuntu+1
[02:56] <charlie-tca> and they even help with Xubuntu
[02:58] <Michael_RN> I'll be back later this evening, and I'll let you know how it went.
[02:58] <charlie-tca> Okay. Thanks
[04:03] <KaKaTm> hello, after a normal reboot my network stopped working.
[04:03] <KaKaTm> i was using wireless connections
[04:04] <KaKaTm> now it doesnt even show that i have wireless
[04:05] <KaKaTm> someone can help me on that?
[04:17] <Nillerz> http://pastebin.ca/1231511
[04:17] <Nillerz> I'll just leave this here...
[07:08] <chardfi> yo
[07:08] <chardfi> i need an xubuntu buff
[07:09] <chardfi> anyone here?
[07:09] <zoredache_> !anyone
[07:09] <chardfi> ok
[07:10] <chardfi> will xubuntu run on a celeron with 64mb of ram or do i need to go with a debian lite?
[07:10] <The-Kernel> I don't think much of anything runs on 64 mb anymore
[07:10] <zoredache_> it kinda depends on how you define run....
[07:10] <The-Kernel> a router/firewall maybe
[07:10] <The-Kernel> no GUI
[07:10] <The-Kernel> yeah
[07:10] <The-Kernel> true
[07:11] <chardfi> ok, but these old boxes use to run win98 etc, surely there's a distro to replace this on old hardware?
[07:11] <zoredache_> you will be able to install onto the system only if you use the alternate installer, and you will have to fight pretty hard to get the normal level of usability... you will have to sacrifice lots of services and functionality..
[07:12] <The-Kernel> I have a 64mb pentium pro machine that acts as a firewall
[07:13] <The-Kernel> But in the end, it may be worth it
[07:13] <chardfi> think about it though. Win 98 and office 97 were pretty usable on such hardware. I'm sure there must be a suitable distro to replace it
[07:13] <zoredache_> chardfi: it goes back to what you want to have running.  You could probably get a really light windows manager to run in 64mb... you wouldn't be able to use a current web browser
[07:13] <TheSheep> chardfi: try dsl or arhclinux
[07:14] <zoredache_> !lowmem | chardfi
[07:14] <chardfi> thanks ubottu
[07:14] <ball> NetBSD will run on 64 Mbytes RAM, but I wouldn't recommend heavyweight X applications there.
[07:14] <chardfi> i'll take a squiz
[07:14] <ball> The same probably applies to Linux
[07:14] <ball> (on that machine)
[07:15] <zoredache_> it might be far easier to simply find some old computer you can steal RAM from
[07:15] <ball> Blackbox and Dillo
[07:16] <ball> You /could/ run something heavier such as Firefox, but accept that the machine will thrash the disk horribly.
[07:17] <ball> brb
[07:24] <ball> ganeshix____: new Indian distribution? :-)
[07:25] <chardfi> dsl looks like a good option
[07:26] <chardfi> I am tempted to have a bash at xubuntu though
[07:26] <ball> chardfi: it's worth trying!
[07:33] <chardfi> agreed, looks better than dsl, will have the benefits of ubutu engineering and huge support. If it doesn't i'll fall back on dsl as a last resort
[07:35] <RAVTUX> Xubuntu is your best bet
[07:35] <RAVTUX> but try them both and have fun
[09:44] <Yaskin> anyone here
[09:56] <knome> yes
[10:31] <floating> LET ME BEEEE HERE WITH Youuu
[10:31] <knome> floating, go to kara-åke
[11:31] <maestrolinux> buenas!! soy maestro es buenoas aires de linux, el que necesite ayuda en español me pide sin problemas
[11:32] <knome> maestrolinux, english please
[11:33] <knome> maestrolinux, #ubuntu-es for spanish support
[11:34] <maestrolinux> ok I give support to the users of Xubuntu Spanish or Latin in need
[11:35] <knome> ok, great.
[11:35] <ablomen> ah nice, now me as an acient roman can finaly get some help in my native language ;)
[11:36] <maestrolinux> would have to create Xubuntu is, I specialized in xfce
[11:37] <maestrolinux> Θα πρέπει να δημιουργήσουμε Xubuntu είναι, θα ειδικεύεται στην xfce -- ablomen!!! ;)
[11:37] <ablomen> hehe ;)
[11:38] <maestrolinux> Good! I am a master linux aires is good, the one needing assistance in Spanish is asking for trouble-free
[11:41] <knome> uoh, flood warning :P
[11:46] <maestrolinux> knome:  	not break the balls ... chau
[11:48] <knome> !ot
[16:42] <Vi1> Hi folks, I've an old laptop an AMD K6+450 with 256Mb RAM. Will Xubuntu give this a new lease of life?
[16:42] <ball> hello Vi1
[16:42] <ball> Vi1: I have a very similar machine
[16:42] <Vi1> hi ball
[16:43] <ball> ...but mine has a K6-2+ 450 MHz
[16:43] <ball> ...and 128 Mbytes RAM
[16:43] <Vi1> that's the one!
[16:43] <Vi1> it's an old Winbook
[16:43] <ball> The few winbooks I've seen were quite nice, metal case and very light.
[16:43] <Vi1> how does Xubuntu run?
[16:44] <ball> I've not tried Xubuntu on that box yet.
[16:44] <ball> I would happily do that today if I had more time available.
[16:45] <Vi1> very new to Linux, but Ubunto looks good and is very versatile
[16:45] <ball> One thing that attracts me to Ubuntu is the welcoming community.
[16:45] <ball> ...it also seems very easy to keep up to date.
[16:47] <ball> Of the Ubuntu variants I've seen, Xubuntu seems like an appropriate choice for that box.
[16:47] <ball> (the least inappropriate perhaps ;-)
[16:47] <Vi1> yep, that's what I thought
[16:48] <ball> Xfce looks quite useable too.
[16:51] <Vi1> Only hurdle I've not been able to cross is getting a Wireless Canon Pixma printer to work yet
[16:58]  * ball nods
[16:58] <ball> I've had problems with a printer too.
[16:58] <ball> hello JannoTT
[16:59] <ball> JannoTT: is it very cold up there yet?
[16:59] <JannoTT> Cold?
[16:59] <JannoTT> No
[17:00] <ball> I feel cold here today, but I know it's going to get much colder.
[17:01] <ball> 16C outside.  Feels a lot colder.
[17:01] <ball> Perhaps I should open some windows.
[17:01] <ball> Probably just need to move around more.
[17:01] <ball> I'll be back later.
[17:01] <ball> Vi1: good luck, let us know how you get on with that Winbook
[17:01] <Vi1> Will do, cheers
[17:02] <JannoTT> winbook?
[17:02] <Vi1> yup
[17:02] <JannoTT> Whats that
[17:02] <JannoTT> laptop?
[17:02] <Vi1> ﻿K6-2+ 450 MHz 256Mb Ram
[17:02] <Vi1> Yes
[17:03] <JannoTT> You running xubuntu on it?
[17:03] <Vi1> Thinking of, posted to see if it was worth giving it a try.
[17:03] <Vi1> It runs XP but pretty slowly
[17:37] <Bert_2> Hi, I have a very old laptop (10 years old, 500Mhz CPU, 128MB RAM), I run xubuntu gutsy with openbox on it, now I would like to do some frequency scaling on it to get more battery out of it, is there a good frequency scaller that's not part of gnome-applets (takes to much diskspace and kills the processor) ???
[17:40] <cody-somerville> There is a xfce4-panel plugin
[17:40] <Bert_2> cody-somerville: do you know how it's called ?
[17:40] <cody-somerville> Governor plugin
[17:41] <Bert_2> cody-somerville: I found xfce-cpu-freq-plugin and xfce-cpufrq-plugin but their description only say something about displaying
[17:41]  * ball doesn't remember voting for the governor
[17:41] <cody-somerville> You can control it
[17:42] <Bert_2> cody-somerville: which one of the 2 do I need ?µ
[17:42] <cody-somerville> They're just front-ends - ugh, not sure
[17:42] <Bert_2> ow wait, there also a xfce4-governor-plugin
[17:47] <JannoTT> How do you switch from iwl3945 to ipw3945?
[18:02] <Bert_2> Hey, how can I check whether my CPU supports CPU freq scaling or not ?
[18:03] <ball> Bert_2: it doesn't.
[18:03] <Bert_2> ball: how do you mean ?
[18:03] <ball> Bert_2: what is your CPU?
[18:04] <Bert_2> pentium III copermine 500Mhz
[18:05] <Bert_2> 256KB cache
[18:05] <TheSheep> cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_frequencies
[18:05] <ball> Tualatin would be nicer.  At least yours has on-die cache though
[18:07] <Bert_2> TheSheep: in the dir cpu0 I only have the file crash_notes and the dir topology
[18:07] <Bert_2> ball: it really is a very old laptop you know :p
[18:07] <ball> I'm pretty sure Coppermine didn't support SpeedStep
[18:07] <ball> I can find out for definite though
[18:07] <Bert_2> ball: I already thought this would happen
[18:08] <Bert_2> ball: so that means I can't scale ?
[18:08] <TheSheep> Bert_2: how about 'grep stepping /proc/cpuinfo' ?
[18:08] <ball> Bert_2: Not via normal means.
[18:08] <ball> ...I'd just call it a "no"
[18:09] <ball> You'd probably have more luck by tuning cron etc.
[18:09] <ball> ...perhaps swapping out the hard disk
[18:09] <Bert_2> TheSheep: Stepping is 1
[18:09] <ball> I have a few Coppermine machines sitting around.
[18:10] <Bert_2> ball: already did all other things, this was the last step, I can get a fairly long time out of the battery now
[18:10] <Bert_2> ball: laptops or desktops .
[18:10] <Bert_2> s/./?
[18:11] <ball> Desktops (well, towers mostly)
[18:11] <ball> cpu0: Intel Pentium III (686-class), 797.45 MHz, id 0x686  <- one example
[18:11] <Bert_2> ball: cool :P
[18:11] <TheSheep> Bert_2: that means your cpu has 1 differens speeds :)
[18:11] <TheSheep> different
[18:11] <Bert_2> ball: I should take the time to wake up some of my older machines too
[18:11] <ball> TheSheep: that's not what stepping level is
[18:12] <Bert_2> TheSheep: hurray :D:P
[18:12] <ball> Also have 500 MHz and 550 MHz boxen
[18:12] <TheSheep> ball: ah, sorry then
[18:14] <Bert_2> but I'm off now
[18:14] <Bert_2> thx for your help guys !!!! :D
[18:15] <ball> no problem
[18:27] <MalfermitaKodo> hi
[18:28] <MalfermitaKodo> can someone here help me with setting up access to my college's VPN? They're all a bunch of Gates worshippers :(
[18:29] <MalfermitaKodo> I tried this entire afternoon :(
[18:49] <Michael_RN> Hey charlie-tca, thanks for your help last night. Solved the install problem.
[19:33] <sirking1991> hello every1!
[19:34] <vidd> hello sirking1991
[19:34] <sirking1991> i just want to know is 8.04 can be installed and run under 386 w/128ram & 4gbhdd.
[19:35] <vidd> sirking1991, you would be hard pressed....
[19:35] <vidd> but yes you can
[19:35] <vidd> you would need to use the alt cd to install
[19:35] <vidd> the live cd wont load
[19:35] <sirking1991> thats what i already did.
[19:36] <vidd> issues?
[19:36] <sirking1991> at first i tried the live cd, and as you said, got that problem.
[19:37] <vidd> have you tried the alt cd?
[19:37] <sirking1991> now, i just d/loaded the alt cd. i'll try it early this morning.
[19:37] <vidd> you may want to do a cli-install
[19:37] <sirking1991> will it still run GUI?
[19:37] <sirking1991> or im stuck in text mode?
[19:37] <vidd> well...
[19:38] <vidd> xubuntu might turn out to be a bit heavy
[19:38] <sirking1991> hhmmm... any suggested distros for the poor 386?
[19:38] <vidd> on a similar system, i installed lxde
[19:39] <vidd> come to #xubunt-offtopic and i can give ya some pointers
[19:39] <sirking1991> alright
[19:40] <sirking1991> im already at #xubunt-offtopic.
[19:40] <vidd> sirking1991, #xubuntu-offtopic (sorry)
[19:41] <sirking1991> ah okay. :)
[19:44] <Michael_RN> Just successfully ran the live CD with a P3/500 and 198MB RAM. I'll be happier with the system when I upgrade the RAM to 500 MB
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Glad to hear it worked, though.
[20:52] <JannoTT> !gas
[21:07] <Zerothis> is there a vnc type server-client combination that lets the client switching between desktop users?
[21:20] <Zerothis> all bots?
[21:21] <TheSheep> no, just no idea
[21:21] <vidd> Zerothis, no
[21:21] <TheSheep> !patience
[21:21] <TheSheep> argh
[21:22] <TheSheep> that's not what I meant, sorry
[21:22] <TheSheep> there was one factoid describing pretty nicely how it works, how people responf when they know the answer
[21:23] <vidd> Zerothis, it would seem that RealVNC might have what you need
[21:24] <vidd> in their enterprise version
[21:25] <charlie-tca> Anybody have issues with file associations in Hardy fresh installs? I've installed 3 times, and Thuna
[21:25] <vidd> charlie-tca, no issues here
[21:25] <Zerothis> vidd: realvnc server and client? or just the server?
[21:26] <charlie-tca> r open with is all wrong. It's opening .pdf in Gimp, .png in firefox, etc
[21:26] <vidd> Zerothis, didnt really look into it
[21:42] <Nt_nT_> !xfce
[21:51] <wormsxulla_> hello. what's the alsa-utils module doing, or rather, what is it not doing when it's installed but not launched as a service?
[21:52] <TheSheep> doesn't save the volume leves on shutdown and restore them on startup
[21:53] <wormsxulla_> ah ok. nothing to do with some applications not making any sound when they should, then?
[23:08] <stitchedwings> Hello.  I believe I need the include headers that are usually in /usr/X11R6/include ...  What package do I need to install to get /usr/X11R6/include to exist because at the moment it does not exist and I think it's the reason why I'm getting compile errors.
[23:10] <stitchedwings> I think I have it
[23:10] <stitchedwings> nevermind
[23:10] <stitchedwings> xorg-dev??
[23:11] <stitchedwings> hmm
[23:11] <stitchedwings> no, /usr/X11R6/include still does not exist
[23:21] <JannoTT> !img