| Riddell | yuriy: :) | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Riddell | kwwii: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20081020.1/ | 00:00 |
| Riddell | and remember to test report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all | 00:01 |
| ScottK | What group do you have to be in to be able to make a wireless connection with knetworkmanager? | 00:02 |
| ScottK | I can only do it with my main user. | 00:03 |
| kwwii | Riddell: will do first thing tomorrow | 00:03 |
| kwwii | time for sleep now | 00:03 |
| Riddell | ScottK: plugdev? | 00:07 |
| rgreening | Hey Riddell. Did you look over my update-notifier-kde fix? | 00:09 |
| * Riddell looks | 00:12 | |
| rgreening | hehe | 00:13 |
| rgreening | bug 282676 | 00:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 282676 in update-notifier-kde "update notifier doesn't list how many packages needs updating" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282676 | 00:14 |
| Riddell | rgreening: did you put it in bzr? | 00:15 |
| rgreening | I uploaded it to kubuntu testing PPA as ver 0.9 | 00:23 |
| rgreening | Do I have rights to upload to the bzr branch for update-notifier-kde? If so, I need a good link for bzr editing/uploading/etc... | 00:24 |
| rgreening | :) | 00:24 |
| apachelogger | NCommander: pong | 00:47 |
| NCommander | apachelogger, hola | 00:50 |
| apachelogger | salut | 00:51 |
| Riddell | rgreening: still about? | 00:55 |
| Riddell | rgreening: I've just approved you for kubuntu-members | 00:55 |
| Riddell | you can register update-notifier-kde at launchpad.net/projects | 00:56 |
| Riddell | make sure you have an ssh key registered in launchpad | 00:56 |
| Riddell | then push | 00:56 |
| Riddell | bzr push bzr+ssh://<lpuser>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk | 00:57 |
| rgreening | yeah.. here still | 00:57 |
| rgreening | ok. I'll add that to my list. I'm training a new body... DLeGrow to help us out... | 00:58 |
| Riddell | rgreening: (your @kubuntu.org e-mail should appear in a couple of days, also if you have a blog you can add it to planet now) | 00:59 |
| rgreening | cool. thanks. will do. | 01:00 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Speaking of which, my blog never showed up on planet. Would you mind looking at if I added myself correctly? It's at http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/ for Ubuntu posts. | 01:01 |
| Riddell | ScottK: where is ubuntu planet config again? | 01:03 |
| vorian | it needs to be the actuall rss/atom link | 01:04 |
| vorian | so | 01:06 |
| vorian | http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/index.xml | 01:07 |
| vorian | should work | 01:07 |
| vorian | or http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/atom.xml | 01:07 |
| freeflying | Riddell: arounds? | 01:19 |
| Riddell | freeflying: hi | 01:29 |
| freeflying | Riddell: about the scim-bridge in kubuntu, from the test i've made, seems it relate to ski | 01:31 |
| Riddell | freeflying: what does? | 01:36 |
| freeflying | s/ski/skim | 01:37 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | brr, frozen | smarter is MOTU (whatever that might be) | ||
| Riddell | freeflying: what relates to skim? | 01:37 |
| freeflying | Riddell: scim-bridge will cause kubuntu intrepid unusable,found it keep on start scim-gtk-panel | 01:39 |
| Riddell | freeflying: sounds like the problem is in scim-bridge then | 01:41 |
| freeflying | Riddell: yes, the scim-bridge-agent only use scim-gtk-panel | 01:52 |
| Riddell | freeflying: has that changed since previous releases? | 01:53 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I've considered of using a symbolic link to provide the panel, but I had no time in the past time :) | 01:53 |
| freeflying | Riddell: no | 01:53 |
| Riddell | time for me to sleep, I'm afraid scim always confuses me | 01:56 |
| freeflying | Riddell: not only for u :) | 02:00 |
| freeflying | Riddell: I will upload another version of scim-bridge too my ppa soon | 02:00 |
| jjesse | evneing | 02:30 |
| rgreening | hey jjesse | 02:33 |
| jjesse | hiya rgreening | 02:35 |
| * Hobbsee pokes people at http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/ | 04:12 | |
| nixternal | poke poke poke | 04:13 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Any idea what the 'Desktop Experience Team" is? | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yes, why? | 04:15 |
| ScottK | I'm curious. | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: means "that which is desktop" | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | it's keybuk's team,iirc. | 04:15 |
| ScottK | OK. So it's not a new team, it's just the Desktop Team | 04:15 |
| ScottK | I'm not qualified for the job, just curious. | 04:15 |
| jjesse | does it follow with what sabdfl talked about for jaunty? | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | although it looks like they're doing another change to their org chart, so who knows | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: well, where the desktop team is a bit wider than those in -desktop, yes | 04:16 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 04:16 |
| jjesse | is there an actual org chart some place? | 04:16 |
| ScottK | My other question is, is this in addition to R!ddell or is he getting promoted/moved on? | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | jjesse: i believe so, but i've never seen it, and i don't think it's public | 04:17 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i don't imagine R!ddell's getting chnaged. | 04:17 |
| ScottK | OK. I imagine lots of stuff. | 04:17 |
| nixternal | ScottK: this is strictly KDE development, it isn't Kubuntu development | 04:17 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 04:18 |
| ScottK | This is the "I'm going to hire people to work upstream" bit. | 04:18 |
| nixternal | ya, I thought the same thing for a second | 04:18 |
| nixternal | exactly | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | looks like it, based on the top 3 jobs on that list | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | either way though, it'd be a good way for someone wanting to write some more of KDE to get paid for it. | 04:21 |
| jjesse | yay for more paid kde devs | 04:21 |
| nixternal | the thing is, the people who would be perfect for that job, are already working a nice cumfy job | 04:21 |
| nixternal | been watching the chatter in other channels all day :) | 04:21 |
| ScottK | So here's your chance to get out of RPM hell. | 04:22 |
| nixternal | heh | 04:23 |
| nixternal | not good with X or OpenGL...actually I don't know a darn thing about either | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | actually, i guess primarily what it'd be good for would be a university student, who graduates this year / next year, who's looking for work in the field of kde. | 04:25 |
| jjesse | any past google summer of code students who are now looking for a job? | 04:26 |
| * ScottK still doesn't think Launchpad jobs should be listed on Ubuntu.com | 04:30 | |
| jjesse | they should be listed on cannonical.com | 04:30 |
| yuriy | Hobbsee: hmmmm? | 05:08 |
| * yuriy doesn't know X or OpenGL either :( | 05:08 | |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: hmmm w.r.t. what? | 05:08 |
| yuriy | i'm a university student graduating this year. I don't think I'm qualified for this though | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | yuriy: i meant in general. and you can always try | 05:10 |
| \sh | moins | 07:26 |
| \sh | nixternal: you don't want to apply for the dream job? ,-) | 07:27 |
| emgent | morning people | 08:27 |
| * supert0nes is graduating this year but will have to come back for that job with experience | 08:31 | |
| supert0nes | plus i'm just learning c++ now | 08:31 |
| supert0nes | and i kindof want to work at an office at first as odd as that sounds | 08:31 |
| davmor2 | Can no media be played in Konqueror? I just tried clicking on Mirco Muller's post on planet ubuntu it has an ogv video attached and it won't play :-/ | 10:57 |
| ScottK | davmor2: right-click and open with Dragon Player | 11:05 |
| Riddell | good morning, did I miss anything exciting? | 11:06 |
| davmor2 | ScottK: I know that when you click on it it say "open with" but with most other browsers you click it plays in the browser window | 11:06 |
| ScottK | Riddell: I was hoping you'd tell us the language pack thing was fixed. | 11:06 |
| davmor2 | morning Riddell | 11:06 |
| ScottK | davmor2: I agree. So it can, just not in the easiest way. | 11:07 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Which package do we fix mime-type associations for Konqueror? | 11:07 |
| hunger | ho Riddell. | 11:07 |
| Riddell | ScottK: havn't heard anything from the rosetta dude, I gave him the needed bits yesterday | 11:12 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. Excuse me if I'm getting nervous. | 11:13 |
| Riddell | ScottK: they do like to keep us on the edge of our seats | 11:13 |
| ScottK | So when do we give up and run apachelogger's script and use upstream translations? | 11:14 |
| apachelogger | highlight \o/ :) | 11:15 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ktorrent fix works as expected | 11:16 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yay | 11:17 |
| Riddell | ScottK: irc logs tell me he's working on the import now | 11:19 |
| Riddell | ScottK: hmm, mime types, that has the new-ish xdg system that I've not looked into much | 11:20 |
| Riddell | ScottK: if you're thinking of the video in mirco's blog, the problem is his web server is reporting it was application/octet-stream | 11:20 |
| apachelogger | davmor2, ScottK: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | MimeType=video/ogg;video/x-theora;video/x-theora+ogg;video/x-ogm;video/x-ogm+ogg;video/x-ms-wmv;video/x-msvideo;video/x-ms-asf;video/x-matroska;video/mpeg;video/avi;video/quicktime;video/vnd.rn-realvideo;video/x-flic;video/mp4; | 11:21 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. I was, but I've seen other things and I'd like to know where to pick at them. | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | DragonPlayer should be working | 11:21 |
| apachelogger | so I guess the server sends the wrong mimetype to konqui | 11:21 |
| Riddell | dpkg -L shared-mime-info | 11:24 |
| Riddell | which extracts files into /usr/share/mime/ I believe | 11:24 |
| Riddell | then the mimetypes used by an app are listed in /usr/share/applications/kde4/dragonplayer.desktop has apachelogger pasts | 11:24 |
| davmor2 | apachelogger: if I select dragon player from the open with box it plays fine | 11:25 |
| Riddell | in jaunty we'll have Qt 4.5 which will have the <video> tag and all will be well | 11:26 |
| Riddell | (at least for qtwebkit users) | 11:26 |
| apachelogger | so hopefully we will have kdewebkit ready as well ;-) | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | davmor2: Länge: 47053216 (45M) [application/octet-stream] | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | wrong mimetype, tell mirco to fix his server :P | 11:27 |
| davmor2 | guys here is the link http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=167 if you click on the ogv video I'm guessing it should just play but doesn't | 11:27 |
| apachelogger | if the mimetype was correct it would just play | 11:28 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: ichthux-meta needs to either build or be dropped on sparc and powerpc so kio-sword can actually go away (it's NBS now). | 11:28 |
| Riddell | davmor2: no, it's a problem with micro's web server, it doesn't "just play" in firefox either for me | 11:28 |
| * apachelogger is wondering why the KDE enterprise list fwds to kde-promo, weird stuff is going on | 11:29 | |
| davmor2 | np's then thanks | 11:29 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: because kde enterprise was just a promotional activity | 11:29 |
| apachelogger | was? didn't go so well and was dropped? :S | 11:30 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: enterprise.kde.org hasn't been updated since 2005 | 11:30 |
| apachelogger | that said, yesterday we watched a documentation about robotics research in europe - all machines were running KDE :D | 11:30 |
| Riddell | went down fine just the maintainer got busy | 11:31 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: accessibility either | 11:31 |
| * apachelogger needs to get involved in the kde-www remake again | 11:31 | |
| apachelogger | Riddell: ktorrent uploaded | 11:32 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 284833 | 12:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 284833 in kdepim "kabcdistlistupdater crash on kde startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284833 | 12:22 |
| \sh | Riddell: the guy who applies for the kde position @C will he/she work under your command? :) | 12:30 |
| apachelogger | \sh: or maybe vice versa :P | 12:33 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: bug 286905 | 12:33 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 286905 in kdepim "contact crash in calendar after update kde 3.5.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286905 | 12:33 |
| Riddell | \sh: no, separate team | 12:38 |
| \sh | Riddell: so more core component team, like cjwatson? | 12:40 |
| Riddell | no, Desktop Experinece team like macslow | 12:41 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: I've tagged those to kde3.5.10 | 12:55 |
| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch | ||
| === hunger_t is now known as hunger | ||
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 286936 | 13:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 286936 in kdebase-runtime "konqueror/crypto manager lose trusted certificates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286936 | 13:36 |
| === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 | ||
| seele | any upgrade paths need tested? i've got a pretty slow day today | 14:30 |
| * seele meant to do kde4remix to intrepid last week :-/ | 14:31 | |
| Riddell | seele: yes that would be great | 14:34 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: meh, upstream bug (presumably) | 14:47 |
| rgreening | good day all | 14:51 |
| seele | Riddell: CD or online upgrade? | 14:51 |
| rgreening | any hot ticket items today? | 14:51 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Care to look into Konqueror/Ark integration? | 14:52 |
| rgreening | sure. GOt a bug or spec for the issue? | 14:52 |
| ScottK | No, but I can explain it really quickly. | 14:53 |
| rgreening | oh, the the .gz ark issue get resolved yet? Or is that tpart of the issue? | 14:53 |
| ScottK | The fundamentals are there now. | 14:53 |
| rgreening | ok | 14:53 |
| ScottK | 1. Go to LP in Konqueror and click on any build log or diff.gz. | 14:53 |
| ScottK | Ark opens, no files though. | 14:53 |
| ScottK | 2. Download a .deb and click on that. | 14:54 |
| rgreening | yeah. I know. what a pain | 14:54 |
| ScottK | That opens as it should, but then click on one of the internal .gz files and it can't open it. | 14:54 |
| rgreening | ok. any ideas on where to start? | 14:54 |
| ScottK | Nope. That's why I was hoping you'd work on it. | 14:55 |
| ScottK | Maybe Riddell or apachelogger can give a hint. | 14:55 |
| ScottK | The second one I'm pretty sure is a missing bit internal to ark. | 14:55 |
| rgreening | lol. ok. I'll have a poke. If any suggestions... let me know | 14:55 |
| * rgreening opens terminal and runs konq... | 14:55 | |
| ScottK | I hope everyone likes my post on planet for today. | 14:56 |
| rgreening | I need to integrate my blog now too... | 14:56 |
| Riddell | seele: either | 14:58 |
| nixternal | how goeth my favorite people in the whole entire world this wonderful day? | 14:59 |
| * rgreening thinks nixternal is looking for something... | 15:00 | |
| * rgreening hides | 15:00 | |
| rgreening | :) | 15:00 |
| Riddell | we are great my favourite nixternal | 15:01 |
| rgreening | ScottK: does ark open .gz files at all? I just tried, and it wouldn't work on a standalone txt.gz but did for a .tgz | 15:03 |
| * ScottK tries | 15:04 | |
| rgreening | so, it appears ark specific to me | 15:04 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Agreed. I can't get it to work either. | 15:05 |
| rgreening | doesn't work with bzip2 either for single files. Seems it doesn't know how to uncompress non-archives (i.e. a single file compressed) | 15:06 |
| ScottK | rgreening: Try ark something.deb and then click on either data or control.rar.gz | 15:06 |
| rgreening | k | 15:06 |
| ScottK | That'd be awesome to get fixed. | 15:06 |
| rgreening | two different bugs IMHO | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 15:07 |
| rgreening | the second is unable to open archives within archives | 15:07 |
| ScottK | Yes. If you extract it, it can open it. | 15:08 |
| ScottK | Right. so I find both of those significant annoyances. If you can figure anything on either, it'd be really cool. | 15:08 |
| rgreening | the internal previewer needs to be coded to recognise thew archive and call ark... | 15:08 |
| rgreening | I'll see what I can do... | 15:09 |
| ScottK | Anyone up for some encryptfs testing with KDE? | 15:09 |
| rgreening | ScottK: works with plain zip | 15:12 |
| rgreening | which is odd... so, I have some code to compare now at least... | 15:13 |
| ScottK | rgreening: tar.gz support was only recently added, so a missed spot wouldn't suprise me. | 15:13 |
| rgreening | lol | 15:13 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I think the issue is isolated in the libarkpart library... looking | 15:21 |
| nixternal | I am really enjoying synergy | 15:24 |
| ScottK | BTW, I can confirm that fretsonfire works quite well in Kubuntu Intrepid. | 15:31 |
| * seele tries to imagine ScottK jamming out to Through the Fire and Flames with a keyboard | 15:32 | |
| nixternal | hahahahaha | 15:34 |
| nixternal | who is nick ali? | 15:37 |
| nixternal | err, what is his irc nick? | 15:37 |
| jussi01 | boredandblogging | 15:37 |
| jussi01 | nixternal: ^ | 15:37 |
| jussi01 | rgreening: I reported that bug about ksnapshot :) bug 287005 | 15:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287005 in kdegraphics "Saving pictures in Ksnapshot defaults to "all supported files"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287005 | 15:38 |
| rgreening | cool | 15:38 |
| nixternal | jussi01: thanks | 15:39 |
| jussi01 | :) | 15:41 |
| apachelogger | oh, my skim | 15:42 |
| jussi01 | mornfall: I also reported the adept bug I mentioned - bug 287009 | 15:48 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287009 in adept "Adept default size is too small" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287009 | 15:48 |
| nixternal | just confirmed, obama does not run Ubuntu in his headquarters | 15:51 |
| nixternal | it is nice working across the street pretty much from his headquarters | 15:51 |
| vorian | nixternal: haha | 15:53 |
| ScottK | Ah, so Ubuntu for the peons and Windows for the people that matter? | 15:53 |
| vorian | i was going to say ... | 15:53 |
| vorian | i just shot an email off to our local Obama-nation office | 15:53 |
| nixternal | ScottK: I asked their IT dude about Ubuntu and he did a "Huh?" | 15:53 |
| vorian | ha | 15:53 |
| nixternal | should have noticed the 2nd screenshot in his blog post was windows, with a change instead of start and the office 2007 icons on the desktop | 15:54 |
| nixternal | that is horrible photoshopping | 15:54 |
| apachelogger | hm | 15:57 |
| apachelogger | we need new minions! | 15:58 |
| * apachelogger just found the perfect minion work | 15:58 | |
| vorian | what do you need apachelogger | 15:59 |
| apachelogger | apt-file search applnk :P | 16:00 |
| * apachelogger has a strong feeling most stuff which ships applnk should either be updated to new upstream or dropped from the archives | 16:00 | |
| apachelogger | or the applnk stuff should be moved to XDG, but I guess in most cases the apps aren't maintained upstream anymore | 16:01 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: At this point that should wait for Jaunty though. | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | well, it certainly can't be done before intrepid :P | 16:02 |
| apachelogger | was more thinking of an early jaunty cleanup | 16:02 |
| * rgreening farms minions | 16:07 | |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 16:08 |
| apachelogger | mornfall: what could be the cause of bug 287000 ? | 16:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287000 in adept "Adept does not list Third Party software" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287000 | 16:26 |
| apachelogger | it works here | 16:27 |
| mornfall | apachelogger: Hm, update-apt-xapian-index is not run. | 16:31 |
| mornfall | Need to add detection of sources.list changes to that. | 16:32 |
| mornfall | (It is executed by adept automatically when it feels like that's neccessary -- which usually is about once a week, since descriptions don't change that often...). | 16:35 |
| mornfall | Maybe a stricter and slower policy should be used. | 16:36 |
| ScottK | apachelogger: Do we have the fix for CVE-2008-3699 in Intrepid already? | 16:46 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: the amarok issue? | 16:47 |
| ScottK | Yes | 16:47 |
| ScottK | USN-657-1 | 16:47 |
| apachelogger | ScottK: already in 1.4.10 | 16:47 |
| ScottK | Kewl. | 16:47 |
| === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Welcome to the Kubuntu developers channel | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUDSJauntySpecs | Please test RC candidates and upgrades | ||
| === smarter_ is now known as smarter | ||
| jussi01 | apachelogger: you always make me think :) | 16:52 |
| apachelogger | perfect :D | 16:53 |
| jjesse | i hate people who make me think :) | 16:53 |
| jussi01 | jjesse: hehe | 16:53 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: anyway, I added a comment to the ksnapshot bug | 16:54 |
| apachelogger | jussi01: should be forwarded to bko | 16:56 |
| smarter | okay, I think I will release Kvkbd 0.6 today, even if the issue with KDM is still not fixed(I'm working on this with ossi) | 16:56 |
| * apachelogger is wondering where the icon comes from | 16:57 | |
| apachelogger | it certainly doesn't look like oxygen to me | 16:57 |
| smarter | Riddell: hi, should I fill a FFe for Kvkbd 0.6? the one I filled for kepas was not really useful, since they unsubscribed themselve and subscribed you, beside Kvkbd is almost part of the general KDE FFe, isn't it? :] | 16:59 |
| Riddell | smarter: how intrusive is it? | 17:00 |
| Riddell | smarter: does it to scary things to kdm? | 17:00 |
| smarter | nop | 17:00 |
| smarter | with the current setting, it just doesn't appears | 17:00 |
| Riddell | smarter: just find someone to upload the package then | 17:00 |
| smarter | if kdm theming is disabled, it is here, but the buttons are not clickable | 17:01 |
| Riddell | I'm currently upgrade testing but could do in a bit | 17:01 |
| smarter | okay, thanks | 17:01 |
| smarter | I'll wait for the kdm issue to be fixed before releasing Kvkbd outsite Kubuntu | 17:01 |
| smarter | *outside | 17:01 |
| === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_tea | ||
| seele | what does "Setting new software channels" mean in the upgrade tool? Adding new package repositories? | 17:10 |
| Riddell | seele: yes | 17:11 |
| Riddell | s/hardy/intrepid/ mostly | 17:12 |
| Riddell | our terminology for package repositories is not terribly consistent | 17:12 |
| rgreening | Riddell: do you know where the libgzplugin patch for ark came from? | 17:13 |
| Riddell | rgreening: apachelogger? metellius? | 17:14 |
| ScottK | rgreening: It came from metellius I'm almost certain. | 17:14 |
| seele | Riddell: sure.. any idea if mornfall copied the language for the upgrade process in adept 3? | 17:14 |
| rgreening | hmm... | 17:14 |
| seele | i guess i could just ask him directly | 17:14 |
| seele | mornfall: ping | 17:14 |
| Riddell | seele: adept 3 doesn't have a dist upgrade, that tool is separate | 17:15 |
| Riddell | release upgrade I mean | 17:15 |
| seele | Riddell: separate from the manager or not adept at all? | 17:16 |
| LaserJock | quick question, I've got both Gnome and KDE installed on Intrepid and when I log in I have both nm-applet and knetworkmanager running | 17:18 |
| LaserJock | I don't see where nm-applet is getting started | 17:18 |
| Riddell | seele: the release upgrade tool is its own thing. adept 2 had a patch to download and run it, in intrepid update-notifier-kde (the system tray icon) will download and run it | 17:19 |
| seele | ok | 17:19 |
| * seele stops taking notes | 17:19 | |
| Riddell | seele: terminology should still be consistent of course, the user doesn't care how its split up | 17:20 |
| Riddell | freeflying: arne says skim can't be made to work in kde 4, do you confirm that? | 17:20 |
| Riddell | freeflying: and that it breaks scim-bridge | 17:21 |
| Riddell | seele: adept 3 does have a reponsitories edit too of course, it runs software-properties-kde, I can't currently remember what terminology I used for that | 17:22 |
| seele | Riddell: i'll probably need to review each of the components separately. i was writing some notes from adept 2 to check and see if they were fixed in adept 3, but it would be easier to just start from scratch with adept 3 | 17:23 |
| * seele coughs *packagekit* | 17:23 | |
| Riddell | bless you | 17:24 |
| mornfall | Actually, that might be a good idea. I think I had too many projects anyway. | 17:26 |
| * seele wonders what the likelihood of doing a samba ui for jaunty will be | 17:26 | |
| mornfall | Converting my problems into someone else's problems. That's probably good. | 17:26 |
| seele | it might be better to focus on printing and kuser | 17:26 |
| seele | oh, and refreshing some system settings module uis, some are pretty bad | 17:27 |
| seele | (this is a joint 4.3 and jaunty list, hehe) | 17:27 |
| * smarter just released Kvkbd 0.6 :) | 17:39 | |
| smarter | Riddell: do you know if I should do something special, like copying to tag or something? | 17:39 |
| Riddell | smarter: is it in kde svn? | 17:43 |
| smarter | yes | 17:43 |
| smarter | in playground | 17:43 |
| Riddell | smarter: you can copy to tag if you think anyone will want it, but I don't know exactly how, toma would be a good person to ask | 17:44 |
| smarter | ok | 17:44 |
| smarter | I'll wait until the KDM issue is fixed anyway | 17:44 |
| LaserJock | what's the difference between network-manager-kde and knetworkmanager? | 17:48 |
| smarter | one is a dummy package, the other not | 17:48 |
| smarter | don't know why the name changed | 17:48 |
| rgreening | to match network-manager-gtk | 17:50 |
| rgreening | as a easy differentiator | 17:50 |
| rgreening | I guess | 17:50 |
| rgreening | plus, too many Kxxx nazmed apps.. time to branch out on teh naming | 17:51 |
| rgreening | lol | 17:51 |
| smarter | apachelogger: do you have any free time to upload Kvkbd 0.6? | 17:53 |
| smarter | apachelogger: tarball available here: http://smarter.free.fr/kvkbd/kvkbd_0.6.0.orig.tar.gz and packaging at lp:~kubuntu-members/kvkbd/ubuntu | 17:54 |
| apachelogger | smarter: if you have an exception, besides, it wouldn't get into rc anyway | 17:54 |
| smarter | I haz no exception | 17:55 |
| smarter | but Riddell said it shouldn't be necessary | 17:55 |
| smarter | do I have to wait for rc to be released? | 17:55 |
| Riddell | no just upload, it should get let in when rc is done | 17:55 |
| seele | hmm.. is kded supposed to crash during the installation process? | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | installation or update? | 17:57 |
| seele | remix upgrade during the "installing the upgrades" process | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | yes | 17:57 |
| apachelogger | well, it is not, but it does | 17:57 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: thanks for recommending vbox. works great (except for getting usb support... know how under Intrepid?) | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: install the version from virtualbox.org | 17:58 |
| apachelogger | the usb stuff is closed source or something | 17:58 |
| smarter | apachelogger: so, you're okay for uploading it? | 17:59 |
| rgreening | oh... so get the personal use one... | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | smarter: you should use debcommit -r when ready for upload | 17:59 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: is it any better/faster? | 17:59 |
| apachelogger | that way you get fancy tags | 17:59 |
| * smarter man debcommit | 17:59 | |
| apachelogger | rgreening: it got usb :P | 17:59 |
| rgreening | besides... | 18:00 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: no | 18:00 |
| apachelogger | the other parts are floss anyway | 18:00 |
| rgreening | ok. cool. | 18:00 |
| smarter | apachelogger: okay, I'll use it next time | 18:01 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I installing Intrepid in a vbox vm a sane/good test for whether it will work? | 18:01 |
| rgreening | cause if it is, it works for me | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | working != working | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | the desktop usually doens't break | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | it's the other fancy stuff that does | 18:02 |
| apachelogger | like printer support | 18:02 |
| rgreening | ah...then only way is to really install | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | smarter: testbuilding | 18:03 |
| apachelogger | qbzr++ | 18:03 |
| smarter | thanks ;) | 18:03 |
| * smarter gives a try to qbzr | 18:03 | |
| apachelogger | added .bzr-builddeb | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | added .bzr-builddeb/default.conf | 18:04 |
| apachelogger | smarter: I did a debcommit with that ^ | 18:05 |
| smarter | ok | 18:05 |
| smarter | why is qbzr using gtk icons? :P | 18:06 |
| smarter | uh oh, looks like there is a bug with qlog | 18:07 |
| smarter | the log entries are blank | 18:07 |
| smarter | and I get lots of tracebacks | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | works here | 18:07 |
| apachelogger | then again, I think I am using trunk | 18:07 |
| smarter | could you look throught the log of trunk to see if something like that has been mentioned and fixed? | 18:08 |
| smarter | it would be worth backporting it | 18:09 |
| smarter | I get lots of stuff like: http://pastebin.com/m141cb221 | 18:09 |
| apachelogger | no time | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | I has to do testbuilding | 18:10 |
| apachelogger | and get drunk | 18:10 |
| * apachelogger bought a new bottle of captain morgan :D | 18:10 | |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | smarter: why does my kvkbd have an icon if the deb doesn't ship one? | 18:11 |
| smarter | it uses a standard fd.o icon | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | ewww | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | fd.o | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | oxygen! | 18:11 |
| smarter | which exists in oxygen | 18:11 |
| apachelogger | really? | 18:11 |
| smarter | yes | 18:12 |
| * apachelogger still thinks it doesn't look like oxygen | 18:12 | |
| smarter | that's what specs are for :P | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | smarter: what's its name? | 18:12 |
| smarter | oh, you mean the tray icon? | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | I mean the icon in my menu | 18:12 |
| smarter | this one is oxygen | 18:12 |
| \sh | apachelogger: can you put jonos record on radio amarok? :) | 18:12 |
| smarter | preferences-desktop-keyboard irrc | 18:12 |
| smarter | *iirc | 18:12 |
| * smarter looks in his code | 18:12 | |
| apachelogger | \sh: dood, I am no longer a roker :P | 18:12 |
| apachelogger | other than that I would | 18:13 |
| smarter | yes, that's it | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | verrry weird | 18:13 |
| \sh | apachelogger: how has da power now? | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | anywho, package looks goody | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | \sh: I wouldn't know #amarok.radio | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | most likely it is dead | 18:13 |
| \sh | apachelogger: was mez not the god of radio? | 18:13 |
| smarter | hmm, kde-l10n-fr has not been updated since 4.1.1 in hardy | 18:13 |
| apachelogger | \sh: well, of the servas, not the radio, that was me ;-) | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | oh | 18:14 |
| apachelogger | ~np | 18:15 |
| kubotu | apachelogger is listening to "mugger" by Binärpilot | 18:15 |
| smarter | Qt Designer 4.5 awesomeness: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/formlayout.png :) | 18:15 |
| apachelogger | smarter: kvkbd_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. | 18:16 |
| apachelogger | Successfully uploaded packages. | 18:16 |
| smarter | thanks :) | 18:17 |
| apachelogger | yw | 18:17 |
| * apachelogger hands \sh a glass of captain | 18:19 | |
| \sh | captain? | 18:20 |
| apachelogger | ~google wikipedia captain morgan | 18:24 |
| kubotu | Results for wikipedia captain morgan: 1. Captain Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Morgan | 2. Henry Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan | 3. rumclub - Captain Morgan: http://www.rumworld.nl/CaptainMorgan.html | 18:24 |
| apachelogger | \sh: ^ | 18:24 |
| seele | apachelogger: got a little cap'n in ya? | 18:26 |
| * seele does the knee raise | 18:26 | |
| * apachelogger looks, notices that he looses balance and falls over | 18:27 | |
| * seele has poor balance and falls over too | 18:28 | |
| apachelogger | I am wondering what my favorite Nightrose does all day long | 18:32 |
| seele | uhm.. hmm.. so i can't login using KDM after upgrading | 18:33 |
| Nightrose | apachelogger's favourite Nightrose was busy with university stuff all day | 18:33 |
| * Nightrose hugs apachelogger | 18:33 | |
| === davmor2_tea is now known as davmor2 | ||
| apachelogger | university-- | 18:33 |
| * apachelogger rehugs Nightrose | 18:34 | |
| apachelogger | Nightrose: that does however not explain what you are doing right now ;-) | 18:34 |
| Nightrose | laundry and cooking ;-) | 18:34 |
| apachelogger | funnies | 18:35 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: bug 287097 | 18:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287097 in kdebase-runtime "Use Kubuntu Logo for Kickoff instead of the KDE logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287097 | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | I remember we talked about this at the marketing meeting, in fact I think we decided to bring this up at a kubuntu meeting, but I don't seem to remember we actually did that ;-) | 18:36 |
| apachelogger | is there anything useable an apachelogger could do these days? | 18:43 |
| seele | anyone else experience this: but 281950 | 18:44 |
| seele | *bug 281950 | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 281950 in ubuntu "KDE Cannot start from kdm or gdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281950 | 18:44 |
| smarter | kubuntu logo for the KMenu? I don't think it would look good | 18:44 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: I can take care if bug 287097 if you know which image to use... | 18:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287097 in kubuntu-default-settings "Use Kubuntu Logo for Kickoff instead of the KDE logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287097 | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: needs discussion | 18:45 |
| smarter | yes | 18:45 |
| rgreening | if you want it, let me know... I'll do it | 18:45 |
| apachelogger | the only sensible way to replace all KDE logos with Kubuntu ones | 18:45 |
| seele | apachelogger: what about instead of the sproket behind the K we have the circle thing | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | and my POV is that KDE should get a fair amount of branding, which contradicts with that proposal | 18:46 |
| seele | so it is still an n x n icon and not "Kubuntu" or just the blue circle | 18:46 |
| rgreening | I'd like to see a KDE logo with the Gears remove and the Kubuntu symbol there instead. :) | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | hm | 18:46 |
| apachelogger | nifty | 18:47 |
| rgreening | :) | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | but sounds like a good idea | 18:47 |
| rgreening | omg.. seele though what I typed I was just too slow.. | 18:47 |
| rgreening | hahah | 18:47 |
| smarter | maybe we could go like in kde3, and add a kubuntu logo inside the new media notifier applet? | 18:47 |
| apachelogger | smarter: the new new media notifier applet's icon does look different | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | ...different ... better... but it makes that course of action unusable | 18:48 |
| smarter | in 4.2? | 18:48 |
| apachelogger | yus | 18:49 |
| smarter | screenshot? :] | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | aplg.kollide.net/images | 18:49 |
| apachelogger | go search :P | 18:49 |
| seele | where are x errors found? | 18:49 |
| rgreening | .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.log.0 | 18:50 |
| apachelogger | depends on the Xiness | 18:50 |
| rgreening | true | 18:50 |
| seele | is startx supposed to work if you aren't using a display manager? | 18:58 |
| smarter | probably | 19:00 |
| rgreening | ScottK: around? | 19:22 |
| Arby | evening all, what's in need of attention today | 19:24 |
| rgreening | ScottK: I don't think the libgzplugin is getting used in opening the gz file. | 19:27 |
| rgreening | ScottK: attempting to open a gz file and it only opens /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libarchive.so and not the corresponding gz... so, me thinks it's using libarchive to do the dirty work | 19:32 |
| ScottK-palm | Does Gmail work in Konqueror in Intrepid? | 19:33 |
| rgreening | think so... ( config kmail for gmail pop... so havent check in a while.. | 19:34 |
| rgreening | ScottK-plam.. see my q's above.... | 19:35 |
| smarter | it probably does, but without the fancy ajax | 19:35 |
| * Arby checks | 19:35 | |
| ScottK-palm | My post on planet is getting questions. | 19:35 |
| rgreening | I'm using gmail with standard with chat fine under konq it seems... | 19:36 |
| vorian | ScottK-palm: yes, it works | 19:36 |
| ScottK-palm | Thanks. | 19:36 |
| ScottK-palm | See you later. | 19:37 |
| Riddell | seele: kdm. anything in .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ? | 19:59 |
| Riddell | seele: do you have plenty of disk space on / and /home ? | 19:59 |
| * Riddell hugs ScottK | 20:01 | |
| * rgreening slaps ark | 20:01 | |
| * NCommander running tackles Riddell | 20:01 | |
| * rgreening pulls out his uzi | 20:02 | |
| Riddell | ScottK: I use arora for gmail | 20:04 |
| Riddell | I really hope webkitkde is usable in jaunty | 20:04 |
| Riddell | where usable is pretty much "supports flash" | 20:05 |
| smarter | that shouldn't be hard | 20:05 |
| Riddell | and we'll have <video> by then, so we won't need flash :) | 20:06 |
| smarter | except if you had "in a reliable way" somewhere :] | 20:06 |
| rgreening | is ther a gui gdb? | 20:06 |
| apachelogger | kgdb | 20:06 |
| smarter | oh, yes <video> rocks | 20:06 |
| rgreening | I get command not found so I guess it's not in the command not found... | 20:06 |
| mattik | Hello, I have really rare problem. Wireless works some time and end to working. I tried many times. My Intrepid halted before this problem because of flash. | 20:07 |
| smarter | user support on #kubuntu | 20:07 |
| mattik | ok | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: maybe it doesn't exist anymore | 20:07 |
| apachelogger | or maybe I amde it up to begin with | 20:07 |
| mattik | in fact it's not support thing, it's bug, but anyway I go to #kubuntu | 20:08 |
| rgreening | hmm... cgdb ... curses... ew | 20:08 |
| rgreening | ah... kdbg | 20:09 |
| rgreening | maybe | 20:09 |
| NCommander | what are you guys up to? | 20:11 |
| rgreening | how the heck do you debug a kde app? I have kdbg installed and debug symbols for the package... any pointers. debugging ark | 20:12 |
| rgreening | oh.. nm. got it working | 20:13 |
| smarter | http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Debugging | 20:13 |
| smarter | http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/FAQs/Debugging_FAQ | 20:13 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: gdb APP | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | then run | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | then wait for the crash | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | then bt | 20:14 |
| apachelogger | then you haz a backtrace | 20:14 |
| rgreening | no crash. I'm trying to figure out why gz files dont open... | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | strace it | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | questions is | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | when does it not open gz files? | 20:15 |
| apachelogger | I patched that in | 20:15 |
| rgreening | $ ark file.gz, same from within konq. | 20:15 |
| rgreening | it always displays a blank pane | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | Oo | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | eh? | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | oh? | 20:16 |
| apachelogger | uh? | 20:16 |
| * apachelogger fires up the vms | 20:16 | |
| rgreening | hehe | 20:20 |
| apachelogger | hm | 20:21 |
| apachelogger | I thought jonny boy said it works -.- | 20:21 |
| Riddell | on this channel it helps to qualify your jonathans :) | 20:22 |
| jussi01 | hehe | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: you would be jr :P | 20:22 |
| apachelogger | hm | 20:23 |
| apachelogger | technically gzipy should work | 20:23 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: ok, in the debugger, it never reaches into gzplugin.cpp | 20:25 |
| rgreening | so, tells me it's not working and the patch isn't functional (unless Im doing something wrong) | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libgz.so | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | /usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libgz.desktop | 20:25 |
| apachelogger | the problem seems to be in a desktop file | 20:25 |
| rgreening | I even did a lsof on ark... the /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libgz.so is never touched | 20:26 |
| Riddell | rgreening: where's that guidance-p-m patch of yours again? | 20:28 |
| rgreening | ScottK had added, but forgot to add in a comment for my addition.. so, not sure where it got inserted... | 20:28 |
| rgreening | but let me see if I can dig up from my system | 20:29 |
| rgreening | I think he re-wrote what I had as patch 01 | 20:30 |
| apachelogger | write(2, "ark(26231)/kdecore (trader) KMim"..., 139ark(26231)/kdecore (trader) KMimeTypeTrader::query: query for mimeType "application/x-gzip" , "Kerfuffle/Plugin" : returning 2 offers | 20:30 |
| rgreening | though maybe not.. | 20:30 |
| rgreening | Ridell: let me check my e-mail sent items | 20:31 |
| rgreening | Riddell: I e-mailed it to you... | 20:32 |
| rgreening | now | 20:32 |
| apachelogger | hm | 20:32 |
| apachelogger | I think I got the problem | 20:32 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 20:33 |
| seele | Riddell: did you say you were doing a remix > intrepid upgrade? did it work? | 20:33 |
| * rgreening crosses fingers | 20:33 | |
| rgreening | Riddell: I think the bits in the diff were integrated in his 01 patch for HAL... from the looks of it. | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | or maybe not | 20:34 |
| * rgreening slomps down on the desk | 20:34 | |
| apachelogger | ah | 20:34 |
| rgreening | slumps even | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | forgot kbuildsycoca4 | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | \o/ | 20:34 |
| apachelogger | I am ze king | 20:34 |
| * apachelogger is in love with himself | 20:35 | |
| jussi01 | seele: mine worked ok... except it landed me at busybox... had to reconfigure xorg and reinstall fglrx | 20:36 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: we knew that :P | 20:36 |
| * jussi01 hugs apachelogger | 20:36 | |
| rgreening | apachelogger: whats the fix | 20:37 |
| seele | jussi01: blah.. i cant log in with kdm and i dont know what's wrong to fix it | 20:37 |
| apachelogger | metellius, rgreening: kde svn 874525 | 20:37 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=874525&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 874525 | 20:37 |
| seele | so i can't test anything else, heh | 20:37 |
| * apachelogger rehugs jussi01 | 20:37 | |
| jussi01 | seele: oh bleh... that sucks. tried moving your .kde folder? (im guessing so...) | 20:38 |
| Riddell | seele: it's worked for me in the past | 20:38 |
| jussi01 | apachelogger: you are my superhero :D | 20:38 |
| Riddell | seele: check that KDM has "KDE" selected in the Session menu | 20:38 |
| * seele falls out of her chair | 20:39 | |
| seele | Riddell: ARGH! (there was no default selection) | 20:39 |
| jussi01 | hehe | 20:39 |
| * seele cries | 20:39 | |
| seele | i spent an hour looking through bug reports to see what the problem was | 20:40 |
| jussi01 | seele: Im glad you got it sorted :D | 20:40 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: do we have a BR for the gzip stuff? | 20:40 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: so I was right... it never got out of libarchive... | 20:40 |
| rgreening | BR? | 20:40 |
| apachelogger | bug report | 20:40 |
| rgreening | oh.. no. ScottK asked me to look at it | 20:40 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: the knowledge that it didn't get out of libarchive isn't woth anything if you don't know why :P | 20:41 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: that's why I was running the debugger... | 20:42 |
| rgreening | :) | 20:42 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: kdebugdialog | 20:42 |
| rgreening | hmm... | 20:42 |
| apachelogger | runtime debugging is way more fun than backtracing :P | 20:42 |
| rgreening | omg... new one for me... | 20:42 |
| rgreening | :) | 20:42 |
| rgreening | never knew about it | 20:42 |
| * rgreening learns more every day. | 20:43 | |
| * rgreening is in debt to the logger of apaches :) | 20:43 | |
| apachelogger | ScottK: fix for ark uploaded, if you want to you can apply it yourself to usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libarchive.desktop ... http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=874525 | 20:44 |
| rgreening | wow.. that would have saved me hours or searching | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: well, only if upstream was nice enough to add loads of debug | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | otherwise the fun begins :D | 20:44 |
| rgreening | true... in this case, it pointed in the correct direction | 20:44 |
| apachelogger | analyzing code and adding random kDebug()'s | 20:45 |
| rgreening | thanks man. you ROCK! | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I know :P | 20:45 |
| rgreening | are you going to UDS? | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | nope | 20:45 |
| seele | hmm.. gethotnewstuff still doesnt work? | 20:45 |
| rgreening | dam... I owe you beer... | 20:45 |
| rgreening | :P | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | not only you ;-) | 20:45 |
| rgreening | lol | 20:45 |
| apachelogger | seele: what makes you think that? | 20:45 |
| seele | apachelogger: any plasmoids i isntall dont show up in the list? | 20:46 |
| apachelogger | meh | 20:46 |
| apachelogger | probably again binary plasmoids in the scripted plasmoid list | 20:46 |
| rgreening | apachelogger: well, maybe I'll proxy a beer onto someone else for ya. :P | 20:46 |
| seele | apachelogger: and only two plasmoids show up in the list, it should be more than that, no? | 20:46 |
| apachelogger | seele: no, it only can list script plasmoids | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | i.e. such using python/ruby/javascript | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | there aren't many of them | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | ...if any... | 20:47 |
| smarter | apachelogger: what's kdebugdialog? | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | smarter: control application for which debug messages to show | 20:47 |
| apachelogger | I hate it | 20:48 |
| smarter | oh yes, forgot that one | 20:49 |
| smarter | why? | 20:49 |
| apachelogger | seele: amarok reflections is a superkaramba theme | 20:49 |
| * apachelogger logs in and starts moving | 20:49 | |
| rgreening | apachelogger/ScottK: I'll take care of the fix for ark. I have to run atm. But I'll be back shortly... and fwd the diff. | 20:50 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I already uploaded the package | 20:50 |
| rgreening | wow.. ok. that was quick | 20:50 |
| * rgreening thinks apachelogger is a machine | 20:51 | |
| rgreening | :) | 20:51 |
| rgreening | ok. back in an hour or so. thanks. | 20:51 |
| seele | hmm.. i thought the dummy more... link in adept was going to be taken out | 20:51 |
| apachelogger | seele: cleaned up plasma again | 20:54 |
| apachelogger | back to 0 script plasmoids :( | 20:54 |
| === TeLLuS_ is now known as TeLLuS | ||
| emgent | uhm | 21:02 |
| emgent | (gdb) kopete(9068) Kopete::AccountManager::setOnlineStatus: category: 2 | 21:02 |
| emgent | ASSERT: "i >= 0 && i < size()" in file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qbytearray.h, line 379 | 21:02 |
| emgent | msn in kopete is nice.. :) | 21:02 |
| Riddell | seele: so it had no session selected and didn't give you a warning? | 21:14 |
| seele | Riddell: right | 21:23 |
| * seele still feels a little silly about not figuring it out | 21:24 | |
| Riddell | seele: I remember it giving me an ugly warning when I tried, but just silently failing is quite nasty | 21:25 |
| Riddell | bit late for a fix though, we'll need to make sure it's clearly in the upgrade documentation | 21:27 |
| apachelogger | Riddell, seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot175.png | 21:47 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: yeah, that's what I got | 21:48 |
| Riddell | not very friendly but better than nothing | 21:48 |
| apachelogger | seele: what do you have in your .dmrc? | 21:48 |
| * apachelogger supposes it is rewritten yet anyway :S | 21:48 | |
| seele | apachelogger: sec.. gotta load the vm | 21:49 |
| seele | ah, yeah.. it must have been | 21:52 |
| seele | apachelogger: added a new user and the Session=default | 21:54 |
| * apachelogger finds this very weird | 21:54 | |
| seele | apachelogger: but back in KDM for the first login, there is no selection | 21:54 |
| seele | so it does the false login thing | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | seele: no session selection? | 21:55 |
| seele | apachelogger: i can select the Session Type and then it works.. but by default nothing is there | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | seele: well, there is a minor glitch, for some reason KDM doesn't display which session it would use | 21:55 |
| seele | apachelogger: "Default (previous)" which i assume correlates with Session=default is not selected | 21:56 |
| seele | oh, heh | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | only way to find out is less .dmrc | 21:56 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: bug 287097 is won't fix, we're a KDE distro and like to be associated as one | 22:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287097 in kubuntu-default-settings "Use Kubuntu Logo for Kickoff instead of the KDE logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287097 | 22:01 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: wonderful statement | 22:02 |
| Tonio_ | hi there | 22:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just tested enabling desktop effects on hardy with an intel ship | 22:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: works, but it seems to break ksplash/moodin | 22:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: is that known problem ? | 22:12 |
| Riddell | hi rgreening, I e-mailed a couple of wee queries about that patch | 22:12 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we don't use moodin any more | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just to know if I can enable it by default for our clients or not :) | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: on hardy ? | 22:13 |
| Riddell | oh, sure hardy, dunno | 22:13 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: using compiz or kwin? | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in fact with desktop effects enabled, the all screen goes grey and I only see the icons | 22:13 |
| Riddell | I expect both have problems | 22:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kde3, so I think compiz loads by default... | 22:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay so if I want 3D desktop, I have to disable the splash screen.... | 22:14 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: we don't use a splash screen by default in hardy | 22:14 |
| Riddell | so re-disable it :) | 22:14 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, I pretty much like it :) I saw it was disabled by default, since I had to re-enable it :) | 22:15 |
| Tonio_ | I'll test and decide... 3D desktop isn't that important btw | 22:16 |
| Riddell | ksplash slows down startup time in kde 3 | 22:16 |
| Riddell | more important than ksplash :) | 22:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum okay :) | 22:18 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: WOW !!!!!! it really slows it.... | 22:21 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is something like 5 times faster without ksplash | 22:21 |
| Riddell | I did say :) | 22:21 |
| * Tonio_ notes that when Riddell says, better is to listen carefully ! | 22:22 | |
| blizzz | is the python clock plasmoid in II supposed to work? because it doesn't for me | 22:24 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: ^ | 22:26 |
| blizzz | no hand moves, when right-clicking an exception is triggered and when trying to open its settings a error message is send, that an unknown timezone is set | 22:26 |
| blizzz | erm, it tries to set an unknown timezone i mean, namely "Local" | 22:27 |
| apachelogger | that seems like a sensible timezone, unless that isn't some kind of variable name :P | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | so | 22:28 |
| apachelogger | Riddell: are you going to package the almighty 4.5 tp? | 22:28 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: no current plans to | 22:29 |
| Riddell | apachelogger: I'd be interested to check that it works with external phonon in qtwebkit though | 22:29 |
| blizzz | well this is how it is in the source. i tried to take something else (by luck - i don't know the valid strings), but didn't work either | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | we need more minions :S | 22:29 |
| apachelogger | blizzz: cat /etc/timezone | 22:30 |
| apachelogger | that would be a valid string I guess | 22:30 |
| blizzz | apachelogger: there is no file timezone in etc | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | that is | 22:31 |
| rgreening | blizzz: no. the dataengine isn't functioning at the moment. just the gui part. | 22:31 |
| apachelogger | intersting | 22:31 |
| rgreening | Riddell: did you upload my plasma python fix (prevents the exception) | 22:32 |
| blizzz | rgreening: is this because of the python support or because of the dataengine? | 22:32 |
| blizzz | apachelogger: there is localtime, but thats something binary | 22:33 |
| rgreening | dataengine is in python, but not working | 22:33 |
| apachelogger | rgreening: I told you to remove it ... there you have your first complaint :P | 22:33 |
| rgreening | lol. if the fix was uploaded and if the example was a suggests... it would be diff. and I plan on fixing the dataengine shortly... | 22:34 |
| blizzz | rgreening: yes, but is the dataengine broken or the underlying python support delivert by plasmas scriptengine? | 22:34 |
| rgreening | it's the example thats broken at the moment | 22:34 |
| rgreening | the gui works but thats all | 22:35 |
| blizzz | okay, that's not too bad | 22:35 |
| rgreening | exactly... | 22:35 |
| rgreening | the plasma python works | 22:35 |
| rgreening | Riddell: you around | 22:35 |
| Riddell | rgreening: "* Fix crashing in examples for plasma-python-examples (temp only fix)" ? | 22:35 |
| rgreening | yeah | 22:36 |
| rgreening | did that get in | 22:36 |
| Riddell | /usr/share/doc/kdebase-workspace-bin/changelog.Debian.gz says it did | 22:37 |
| rgreening | hmm... ok, perhaps blizzz needs to update.. blizz what ver of the package do you have | 22:38 |
| blizzz | rgreening: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu11 | 22:39 |
| rgreening | shouldn't be getting the exception... can you remove the examples package via a apt-get purge | 22:40 |
| rgreening | and re-install | 22:40 |
| blizzz | i do | 22:41 |
| jjesse | interesting problem on my intrepid build, when i launch konsole i get another scim icon in my taskbar and then konsole won't open any ideas? | 22:41 |
| apachelogger | jjesse: another? | 22:42 |
| jjesse | apachelogger: i have two scim icons in my taskbar when i launch konsole | 22:42 |
| apachelogger | screenie | 22:42 |
| jjesse | trying to get one | 22:43 |
| jjesse | hrmm have a bunch of updates, let me run those first befroe i bug you all again | 22:44 |
| jussi01 | jjesse: curious, i had a simiöar problem, when I uninstalled gtk-qt-engine, it went away | 22:44 |
| rgreening | doesn't crash or cause an exception here for me | 22:45 |
| rgreening | blizzz: sry.. lost net. did you answer? | 22:46 |
| blizzzek | rgreening: no difference | 22:47 |
| === blizzzek is now known as blizzz | ||
| rgreening | blizzz: 1 sec... im going to purge on my end and re-install | 22:47 |
| jjesse | jussi01: ok let me see what happens after updates | 22:49 |
| jussi01 | :) | 22:50 |
| rgreening | blizzz, can you do me a favor... | 23:09 |
| rgreening | blizzz: open /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/plasma-pyclock/contents/code/main.py and look at line 58. | 23:10 |
| rgreening | blizzz: tell me if its commented out | 23:10 |
| rgreening | if you have the right one, it should be | 23:10 |
| rgreening | as well as line 151 should be commented out. | 23:11 |
| blizzz | rgreening: it is commented out | 23:15 |
| rgreening | ok, so, what heppens when you launch the applet.. exactly. | 23:17 |
| rgreening | and how are you launching it? | 23:18 |
| blizzz | rgreening: i open it in console with plasmoidviewer. | 23:18 |
| blizzz | there appear a bunch of messages, but everything seems fine | 23:18 |
| rgreening | and what happens | 23:18 |
| blizzz | that is no error | 23:18 |
| blizzz | so a window opens with the clock | 23:18 |
| rgreening | ok. good. | 23:18 |
| blizzz | both hands point at 0 o'click | 23:19 |
| rgreening | yep | 23:19 |
| blizzz | they won't move | 23:19 |
| rgreening | and the engine for time is the commented out part. I though there was an exception and crash | 23:19 |
| blizzz | no, but i get an exception when i rightclick the clock | 23:19 |
| rgreening | so no crash.. and no exception... right | 23:19 |
| blizzz | though it does not crash somehow | 23:20 |
| rgreening | 1 sec | 23:20 |
| rgreening | yeah. checked, harmless (though I'll clean it up as soon as I can)... ok | 23:21 |
| rgreening | the settings menu is commented out for now as well | 23:21 |
| rgreening | if some enterprising person wanted to hack on it, I'd be glad to assist in getting the fix in :) | 23:22 |
| blizzz | however, when i click on settings it says: plasmoidviewer(14010) KTimeZoneWidget::setSelected: No such zone: "Local" | 23:22 |
| rgreening | yep. it was a default in the code and the tz is likely not a valid tx to use in the code. | 23:23 |
| rgreening | s/tx/tz | 23:23 |
| blizzz | rgreening: i want to get into pythonplasmoiding, that's why i tested this out :) | 23:23 |
| rgreening | cool. thats why I backported the library as well... the example was a victim though and needs some love. I may just write a more simple example to include once I get a better understanding myself. | 23:24 |
| blizzz | i will try as well :) | 23:27 |
| rgreening | good stuff | 23:27 |
| blizzz | this is something exciting, i was waiting for months for python support :D | 23:27 |
| blizzz | in our forum was a request for a tutoial/help once ago, so this is something one can convey it to the people in irc events or workshops | 23:28 |
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