[00:00] <Riddell> yuriy: :)
[00:00] <Riddell> kwwii: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/20081020.1/
[00:01] <Riddell> and remember to test report on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[00:02] <ScottK> What group do you have to be in to be able to make a wireless connection with knetworkmanager?
[00:03] <ScottK> I can only do it with my main user.
[00:03] <kwwii> Riddell: will do first thing tomorrow
[00:03] <kwwii> time for sleep now
[00:07] <Riddell> ScottK: plugdev?
[00:09] <rgreening> Hey Riddell. Did you look over my update-notifier-kde fix?
[00:12]  * Riddell looks
[00:13] <rgreening> hehe
[00:14] <rgreening> bug 282676
[00:14] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 282676 in update-notifier-kde "update notifier doesn't list how many packages needs updating" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282676
[00:15] <Riddell> rgreening: did you put it in bzr?
[00:23] <rgreening> I uploaded it to kubuntu testing PPA as ver 0.9
[00:24] <rgreening> Do I have rights to upload to the bzr branch for update-notifier-kde? If so, I need a good link for bzr editing/uploading/etc...
[00:24] <rgreening> :)
[00:47] <apachelogger> NCommander: pong
[00:50] <NCommander> apachelogger, hola
[00:51] <apachelogger> salut
[00:55] <Riddell> rgreening: still about?
[00:55] <Riddell> rgreening: I've just approved you for kubuntu-members
[00:56] <Riddell> you can register update-notifier-kde at launchpad.net/projects
[00:56] <Riddell> make sure you have an ssh key registered in launchpad
[00:56] <Riddell> then push
[00:57] <Riddell> bzr push bzr+ssh://<lpuser>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/update-notifier-kde/trunk
[00:57] <rgreening> yeah.. here still
[00:58] <rgreening> ok. I'll add that to my list. I'm training a new body... DLeGrow to help us out...
[00:59] <Riddell> rgreening: (your @kubuntu.org e-mail should appear in a couple of days, also if you have a blog you can add it to planet now)
[01:00] <rgreening> cool. thanks. will do.
[01:01] <ScottK> Riddell: Speaking of which, my blog never showed up on planet.  Would you mind looking at if I added myself correctly?  It's at http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/ for Ubuntu posts.
[01:03] <Riddell> ScottK: where is ubuntu planet config again?
[01:04] <vorian> it needs to be the actuall rss/atom link
[01:06] <vorian> so
[01:07] <vorian> http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/index.xml
[01:07] <vorian> should work
[01:07] <vorian> or http://kitterman.org/ScottK/ubuntu/atom.xml
[01:19] <freeflying> Riddell: arounds?
[01:29] <Riddell> freeflying: hi
[01:31] <freeflying> Riddell: about the scim-bridge in kubuntu, from the test i've made, seems it relate to ski
[01:36] <Riddell> freeflying: what does?
[01:37] <freeflying> s/ski/skim
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[01:37] <Riddell> freeflying: what relates to skim?
[01:39] <freeflying> Riddell: scim-bridge will cause kubuntu intrepid unusable,found it keep on start scim-gtk-panel
[01:41] <Riddell> freeflying: sounds like the problem is in scim-bridge then
[01:52] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, the scim-bridge-agent only use scim-gtk-panel
[01:53] <Riddell> freeflying: has that changed since previous releases?
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: I've considered of using a symbolic link to provide the panel, but I had no time in the past time :)
[01:53] <freeflying> Riddell: no
[01:56] <Riddell> time for me to sleep, I'm afraid scim always confuses me
[02:00] <freeflying> Riddell: not only for u :)
[02:00] <freeflying> Riddell: I will upload another version of scim-bridge too my ppa soon
[02:30] <jjesse> evneing
[02:33] <rgreening> hey jjesse
[02:35] <jjesse> hiya rgreening
[04:12]  * Hobbsee pokes people at http://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/canonical_KDEV/
[04:13] <nixternal> poke poke poke
[04:14] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Any idea what the 'Desktop Experience Team" is?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yes, why?
[04:15] <ScottK> I'm curious.
[04:15] <Hobbsee> ScottK: means "that which is desktop"
[04:15] <Hobbsee> it's keybuk's team,iirc.
[04:15] <ScottK> OK.  So it's not a new team, it's just the Desktop Team
[04:15] <ScottK> I'm not qualified for the job, just curious.
[04:15] <jjesse> does it follow with what sabdfl talked about for jaunty?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> although it looks like they're doing another change to their org chart, so who knows
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, where the desktop team is a bit wider than those in -desktop, yes
[04:16] <ScottK> Yes.
[04:16] <jjesse> is there an actual org chart some place?
[04:16] <ScottK> My other question is, is this in addition to R!ddell or is he getting promoted/moved on?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> jjesse: i believe so, but i've never seen it, and i don't think it's public
[04:17] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i don't imagine R!ddell's getting chnaged.
[04:17] <ScottK> OK.  I imagine lots of stuff.
[04:17] <nixternal> ScottK: this is strictly KDE development, it isn't Kubuntu development
[04:18] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:18] <ScottK> This is the "I'm going to hire people to work upstream" bit.
[04:18] <nixternal> ya, I thought the same thing for a second
[04:18] <nixternal> exactly
[04:18] <Hobbsee> looks like it, based on the top 3 jobs on that list
[04:21] <Hobbsee> either way though, it'd be a good way for someone wanting to write some more of KDE to get paid for it.
[04:21] <jjesse> yay for more paid kde devs
[04:21] <nixternal> the thing is, the people who would be perfect for that job, are already working a nice cumfy job
[04:21] <nixternal> been watching the chatter in other channels all day :)
[04:22] <ScottK> So here's your chance to get out of RPM hell.
[04:23] <nixternal> heh
[04:24] <nixternal> not good with X or OpenGL...actually I don't know a darn thing about either
[04:25] <Hobbsee> actually, i guess primarily what it'd be good for would be a university student, who graduates this year / next year, who's looking for work in the field of kde.
[04:26] <jjesse> any past google summer of code students who are now looking for a job?
[04:30]  * ScottK still doesn't think Launchpad jobs should be listed on Ubuntu.com
[04:30] <jjesse> they should be listed on cannonical.com
[05:08] <yuriy> Hobbsee: hmmmm?
[05:08]  * yuriy doesn't know X or OpenGL either :(
[05:08] <Hobbsee> yuriy: hmmm w.r.t. what?
[05:09] <yuriy> i'm a university student graduating this year. I don't think I'm qualified for this though
[05:10] <Hobbsee> yuriy: i meant in general.  and you can always try
[07:26] <\sh> moins
[07:27] <\sh> nixternal: you don't want to apply for the dream job? ,-)
[08:27] <emgent> morning people
[08:31]  * supert0nes is graduating this year but will have to come back for that job with experience
[08:31] <supert0nes> plus i'm just learning c++ now
[08:31] <supert0nes> and i kindof want to work at an office at first as odd as that sounds
[10:57] <davmor2> Can no media be played in Konqueror?  I just tried clicking on Mirco Muller's post on planet ubuntu it has an ogv video attached and it won't play :-/
[11:05] <ScottK> davmor2: right-click and open with Dragon Player
[11:06] <Riddell> good morning, did I miss anything exciting?
[11:06] <davmor2> ScottK: I know that when you click on it it say "open with" but with most other browsers you click it plays in the browser window
[11:06] <ScottK> Riddell: I was hoping you'd tell us the language pack thing was fixed.
[11:06] <davmor2> morning Riddell
[11:07] <ScottK> davmor2: I agree.  So it can, just not in the easiest way.
[11:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Which package do we fix mime-type associations for Konqueror?
[11:07] <hunger> ho Riddell.
[11:12] <Riddell> ScottK: havn't heard anything from the rosetta dude, I gave him the needed bits yesterday
[11:13] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  Excuse me if I'm getting nervous.
[11:13] <Riddell> ScottK: they do like to keep us on the edge of our seats
[11:14] <ScottK> So when do we give up and run apachelogger's script and use upstream translations?
[11:15] <apachelogger> highlight \o/ :)
[11:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: ktorrent fix works as expected
[11:17] <Riddell> apachelogger: yay
[11:19] <Riddell> ScottK: irc logs tell me he's working on the import now
[11:20] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, mime types, that has the new-ish xdg system that I've not looked into much
[11:20] <Riddell> ScottK: if you're thinking of the video in mirco's blog, the problem is his web server is reporting it was application/octet-stream
[11:21] <apachelogger> davmor2, ScottK: http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/MIME_Types_and_File_Extensions
[11:21] <apachelogger> MimeType=video/ogg;video/x-theora;video/x-theora+ogg;video/x-ogm;video/x-ogm+ogg;video/x-ms-wmv;video/x-msvideo;video/x-ms-asf;video/x-matroska;video/mpeg;video/avi;video/quicktime;video/vnd.rn-realvideo;video/x-flic;video/mp4;
[11:21] <ScottK> Riddell: OK.  I was, but I've seen other things and I'd like to know where to pick at them.
[11:21] <apachelogger> DragonPlayer should be working
[11:21] <apachelogger> so I guess the server sends the wrong mimetype to konqui
[11:24] <Riddell> dpkg -L shared-mime-info
[11:24] <Riddell> which extracts files into /usr/share/mime/ I believe
[11:24] <Riddell> then the mimetypes used by an app are listed in /usr/share/applications/kde4/dragonplayer.desktop has apachelogger pasts
[11:25] <davmor2> apachelogger: if I select dragon player from the open with box it plays fine
[11:26] <Riddell> in jaunty we'll have Qt 4.5 which will have the <video> tag and all will be well
[11:26] <Riddell> (at least for qtwebkit users)
[11:27] <apachelogger> so hopefully we will have kdewebkit ready as well ;-)
[11:27] <apachelogger> davmor2: Länge: 47053216 (45M) [application/octet-stream]
[11:27] <apachelogger> wrong mimetype, tell mirco to fix his server :P
[11:27] <davmor2> guys here is the link http://macslow.thepimp.net/?p=167 if you click on the ogv video I'm guessing it should just play but doesn't
[11:28] <apachelogger> if the mimetype was correct it would just play
[11:28] <ScottK> txwikinger: ichthux-meta needs to either build or be dropped on sparc and powerpc so kio-sword can actually go away (it's NBS now).
[11:28] <Riddell> davmor2: no, it's a problem with micro's web server, it doesn't "just play" in firefox either for me
[11:29]  * apachelogger is wondering why the KDE enterprise list fwds to kde-promo, weird stuff is going on
[11:29] <davmor2> np's then thanks
[11:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: because kde enterprise was just a promotional activity
[11:30] <apachelogger> was? didn't go so well and was dropped? :S
[11:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: enterprise.kde.org hasn't been updated since 2005
[11:30] <apachelogger> that said, yesterday we watched a documentation about robotics research in europe - all machines were running KDE :D
[11:31] <Riddell> went down fine just the maintainer got busy
[11:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: accessibility either
[11:31]  * apachelogger needs to get involved in the kde-www remake again
[11:32] <apachelogger> Riddell: ktorrent uploaded
[12:22] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 284833
[12:22] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 284833 in kdepim "kabcdistlistupdater crash on kde startup" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/284833
[12:30] <\sh> Riddell: the guy who applies for the kde position @C will he/she work under your command? :)
[12:33] <apachelogger> \sh: or maybe vice versa :P
[12:33] <apachelogger> ScottK: bug 286905
[12:33] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 286905 in kdepim "contact crash in calendar after update kde 3.5.10" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286905
[12:38] <Riddell> \sh: no, separate team
[12:40] <\sh> Riddell: so more core component team, like cjwatson?
[12:41] <Riddell> no, Desktop Experinece team like macslow
[12:55] <ScottK> apachelogger: I've tagged those to kde3.5.10
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[13:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 286936
[13:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 286936 in kdebase-runtime "konqueror/crypto manager lose trusted certificates" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286936
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[14:30] <seele> any upgrade paths need tested?  i've got a pretty slow day today
[14:31]  * seele meant to do kde4remix to intrepid last week :-/
[14:34] <Riddell> seele: yes that would be great
[14:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: meh, upstream bug (presumably)
[14:51] <rgreening> good day all
[14:51] <seele> Riddell: CD or online upgrade?
[14:51] <rgreening> any hot ticket items today?
[14:52] <ScottK> rgreening: Care to look into Konqueror/Ark integration?
[14:52] <rgreening> sure. GOt a bug or spec for the issue?
[14:53] <ScottK> No, but I can explain it really quickly.
[14:53] <rgreening> oh, the the .gz ark issue get resolved yet? Or is that tpart of the issue?
[14:53] <ScottK> The fundamentals are there now.
[14:53] <rgreening> ok
[14:53] <ScottK> 1.  Go to LP in Konqueror and click on any build log or diff.gz.
[14:53] <ScottK> Ark opens, no files though.
[14:54] <ScottK> 2.  Download a .deb and click on that.
[14:54] <rgreening> yeah. I know. what a pain
[14:54] <ScottK> That opens as it should, but then click on one of the internal .gz files and it can't open it.
[14:54] <rgreening> ok. any ideas on where to start?
[14:55] <ScottK> Nope.  That's why I was hoping you'd work on it.
[14:55] <ScottK> Maybe Riddell or apachelogger can give a hint.
[14:55] <ScottK> The second one I'm pretty sure is a missing bit internal to ark.
[14:55] <rgreening> lol. ok. I'll have a poke. If any suggestions... let me know
[14:55]  * rgreening opens terminal and runs konq...
[14:56] <ScottK> I hope everyone likes my post on planet for today.
[14:56] <rgreening> I need to integrate my blog now too...
[14:58] <Riddell> seele: either
[14:59] <nixternal> how goeth my favorite people in the whole entire world this wonderful day?
[15:00]  * rgreening thinks nixternal is looking for something...
[15:00]  * rgreening hides
[15:00] <rgreening> :)
[15:01] <Riddell> we are great my favourite nixternal
[15:03] <rgreening> ScottK: does ark open .gz files at all? I just tried, and it wouldn't work on a standalone txt.gz but did for a .tgz
[15:04]  * ScottK tries
[15:04] <rgreening> so, it appears ark specific to me
[15:05] <ScottK> rgreening: Agreed.  I can't get it to work either.
[15:06] <rgreening> doesn't work with bzip2 either for single files. Seems it doesn't know how to uncompress non-archives (i.e. a single file compressed)
[15:06] <ScottK> rgreening: Try ark something.deb and then click on either data or control.rar.gz
[15:06] <rgreening> k
[15:06] <ScottK> That'd be awesome to get fixed.
[15:07] <rgreening> two different bugs IMHO
[15:07] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:07] <rgreening> the second is unable to open archives within archives
[15:08] <ScottK> Yes.  If you extract it, it can open it.
[15:08] <ScottK> Right. so I find both of those significant annoyances.  If you can figure anything on either, it'd be really cool.
[15:08] <rgreening> the internal previewer needs to be coded to recognise thew archive and call ark...
[15:09] <rgreening> I'll see what I can do...
[15:09] <ScottK> Anyone up for some encryptfs testing with KDE?
[15:12] <rgreening> ScottK: works with plain zip
[15:13] <rgreening> which is odd... so, I have some code to compare now at least...
[15:13] <ScottK> rgreening: tar.gz support was only recently added, so a missed spot wouldn't suprise me.
[15:13] <rgreening> lol
[15:21] <rgreening> ScottK: I think the issue is isolated in the libarkpart library... looking
[15:24] <nixternal> I am really enjoying synergy
[15:31] <ScottK> BTW, I can confirm that fretsonfire works quite well in Kubuntu Intrepid.
[15:32]  * seele tries to imagine ScottK jamming out to Through the Fire and Flames with a keyboard
[15:34] <nixternal> hahahahaha
[15:37] <nixternal> who is nick ali?
[15:37] <nixternal> err, what is his irc nick?
[15:37] <jussi01> boredandblogging
[15:37] <jussi01> nixternal: ^
[15:38] <jussi01> rgreening: I reported that bug about ksnapshot :) bug 287005
[15:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287005 in kdegraphics "Saving pictures in Ksnapshot defaults to "all supported files"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287005
[15:38] <rgreening> cool
[15:39] <nixternal> jussi01: thanks
[15:41] <jussi01> :)
[15:42] <apachelogger> oh, my skim
[15:48] <jussi01> mornfall: I also reported the adept bug I mentioned - bug 287009
[15:48] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287009 in adept "Adept default size is too small" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287009
[15:51] <nixternal> just confirmed, obama does not run Ubuntu in his headquarters
[15:51] <nixternal> it is nice working across the street pretty much from his headquarters
[15:53] <vorian> nixternal: haha
[15:53] <ScottK> Ah, so Ubuntu for the peons and Windows for the people that matter?
[15:53] <vorian> i was going to say ...
[15:53] <vorian> i just shot an email off to our local Obama-nation office
[15:53] <nixternal> ScottK: I asked their IT dude about Ubuntu and he did a "Huh?"
[15:53] <vorian> ha
[15:54] <nixternal> should have noticed the 2nd screenshot in his blog post was windows, with a change instead of start and the office 2007 icons on the desktop
[15:54] <nixternal> that is horrible photoshopping
[15:57] <apachelogger> hm
[15:58] <apachelogger> we need new minions!
[15:58]  * apachelogger just found the perfect minion work
[15:59] <vorian> what do you need apachelogger
[16:00] <apachelogger> apt-file search applnk :P
[16:00]  * apachelogger has a strong feeling most stuff which ships applnk should either be updated to new upstream or dropped from the archives
[16:01] <apachelogger> or the applnk stuff should be moved to XDG, but I guess in most cases the apps aren't maintained upstream anymore
[16:02] <ScottK> apachelogger: At this point that should wait for Jaunty though.
[16:02] <apachelogger> well, it certainly can't be done before intrepid :P
[16:02] <apachelogger> was more thinking of an early jaunty cleanup
[16:07]  * rgreening farms minions
[16:08] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:26] <apachelogger> mornfall: what could be the cause of bug 287000 ?
[16:26] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287000 in adept "Adept does not list Third Party software" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287000
[16:27] <apachelogger> it works here
[16:31] <mornfall> apachelogger: Hm, update-apt-xapian-index is not run.
[16:32] <mornfall> Need to add detection of sources.list changes to that.
[16:35] <mornfall> (It is executed by adept automatically when it feels like that's neccessary -- which usually is about once a week, since descriptions don't change that often...).
[16:36] <mornfall> Maybe a stricter and slower policy should be used.
[16:46] <ScottK> apachelogger: Do we have the fix for CVE-2008-3699 in Intrepid already?
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: the amarok issue?
[16:47] <ScottK> Yes
[16:47] <ScottK> USN-657-1
[16:47] <apachelogger> ScottK: already in 1.4.10
[16:47] <ScottK> Kewl.
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[16:52] <jussi01> apachelogger: you always make me think :)
[16:53] <apachelogger> perfect :D
[16:53] <jjesse> i hate people who make me think :)
[16:53] <jussi01> jjesse: hehe
[16:54] <jussi01> apachelogger: anyway, I added a comment to the ksnapshot bug
[16:56] <apachelogger> jussi01: should be forwarded to bko
[16:56] <smarter> okay, I think I will release Kvkbd 0.6 today, even if the issue with KDM is still not fixed(I'm working on this with ossi)
[16:57]  * apachelogger is wondering where the icon comes from
[16:57] <apachelogger> it certainly doesn't look like oxygen to me
[16:59] <smarter> Riddell: hi, should I fill a FFe for Kvkbd 0.6? the one I filled for kepas was not really useful, since they unsubscribed themselve and subscribed you, beside Kvkbd is almost part of the general KDE FFe, isn't it? :]
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: how intrusive is it?
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: does it to scary things to kdm?
[17:00] <smarter> nop
[17:00] <smarter> with the current setting, it just doesn't appears
[17:00] <Riddell> smarter: just find someone to upload the package then
[17:01] <smarter> if kdm theming is disabled, it is here, but the buttons are not clickable
[17:01] <Riddell> I'm currently upgrade testing but could do in a bit
[17:01] <smarter> okay, thanks
[17:01] <smarter> I'll wait for the kdm issue to be fixed before releasing Kvkbd outsite Kubuntu
[17:01] <smarter> *outside
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[17:10] <seele> what does "Setting new software channels" mean in the upgrade tool?  Adding new package repositories?
[17:11] <Riddell> seele: yes
[17:12] <Riddell> s/hardy/intrepid/ mostly
[17:12] <Riddell> our terminology for package repositories is not terribly consistent
[17:13] <rgreening> Riddell: do you know where the libgzplugin patch for ark came from?
[17:14] <Riddell> rgreening: apachelogger?  metellius?
[17:14] <ScottK> rgreening: It came from metellius I'm almost certain.
[17:14] <seele> Riddell: sure.. any idea if mornfall copied the language for the upgrade process in adept 3?
[17:14] <rgreening> hmm...
[17:14] <seele> i guess i could just ask him directly
[17:14] <seele> mornfall: ping
[17:15] <Riddell> seele: adept 3 doesn't have a dist upgrade, that tool is separate
[17:15] <Riddell> release upgrade I mean
[17:16] <seele> Riddell: separate from the manager or not adept at all?
[17:18] <LaserJock> quick question, I've got both Gnome and KDE installed on Intrepid and when I log in I have both nm-applet and knetworkmanager running
[17:18] <LaserJock> I don't see where nm-applet is getting started
[17:19] <Riddell> seele: the release upgrade tool is its own thing.  adept 2 had a patch to download and run it, in intrepid update-notifier-kde (the system tray icon) will download and run it
[17:19] <seele> ok
[17:19]  * seele stops taking notes
[17:20] <Riddell> seele: terminology should still be consistent of course, the user doesn't care how its split up
[17:20] <Riddell> freeflying: arne says skim can't be made to work in kde 4, do you confirm that?
[17:21] <Riddell> freeflying: and that it breaks scim-bridge
[17:22] <Riddell> seele: adept 3 does have a reponsitories edit too of course, it runs software-properties-kde, I can't currently remember what terminology I used for that
[17:23] <seele> Riddell: i'll probably need to review each of the components separately.  i was writing some notes from adept 2 to check and see if they were fixed in adept 3, but it would be easier to just start from scratch with adept 3
[17:23]  * seele coughs *packagekit* 
[17:24] <Riddell> bless you
[17:26] <mornfall> Actually, that might be a good idea. I think I had too many projects anyway.
[17:26]  * seele wonders what the likelihood of doing a samba ui for jaunty will be
[17:26] <mornfall> Converting my problems into someone else's problems. That's probably good.
[17:26] <seele> it might be better to focus on printing and kuser
[17:27] <seele> oh, and refreshing some system settings module uis, some are pretty bad
[17:27] <seele> (this is a joint 4.3 and jaunty list, hehe)
[17:39]  * smarter just released Kvkbd 0.6 :)
[17:39] <smarter> Riddell: do you know if I should do something special, like copying to tag or something?
[17:43] <Riddell> smarter: is it in kde svn?
[17:43] <smarter> yes
[17:43] <smarter> in playground
[17:44] <Riddell> smarter: you can copy to tag if you think anyone will want it, but I don't know exactly how, toma would be a good person to ask
[17:44] <smarter> ok
[17:44] <smarter> I'll wait until the KDM issue is fixed anyway
[17:48] <LaserJock> what's the difference between network-manager-kde and knetworkmanager?
[17:48] <smarter> one is a dummy package, the other not
[17:48] <smarter> don't know why the name changed
[17:50] <rgreening> to match network-manager-gtk
[17:50] <rgreening> as a easy differentiator
[17:50] <rgreening> I guess
[17:51] <rgreening> plus, too many Kxxx nazmed apps.. time to branch out on teh naming
[17:51] <rgreening> lol
[17:53] <smarter> apachelogger: do you have any free time to upload Kvkbd 0.6?
[17:54] <smarter> apachelogger: tarball available here: http://smarter.free.fr/kvkbd/kvkbd_0.6.0.orig.tar.gz and packaging at lp:~kubuntu-members/kvkbd/ubuntu
[17:54] <apachelogger> smarter: if you have an exception, besides, it wouldn't get into rc anyway
[17:55] <smarter> I haz no exception
[17:55] <smarter> but Riddell said it shouldn't be necessary
[17:55] <smarter> do I have to wait for rc to be released?
[17:55] <Riddell> no just upload, it should get let in when rc is done
[17:57] <seele> hmm.. is kded supposed to crash during the installation process?
[17:57] <apachelogger> installation or update?
[17:57] <seele> remix upgrade during the "installing the upgrades" process
[17:57] <apachelogger> yes
[17:57] <apachelogger> well, it is not, but it does
[17:58] <rgreening> apachelogger: thanks for recommending vbox. works great (except for getting usb support... know how under Intrepid?)
[17:58] <apachelogger> rgreening: install the version from virtualbox.org
[17:58] <apachelogger> the usb stuff is closed source or something
[17:59] <smarter> apachelogger: so, you're okay for uploading it?
[17:59] <rgreening> oh... so get the personal use one...
[17:59] <apachelogger> smarter: you should use debcommit -r when ready for upload
[17:59] <rgreening> apachelogger: is it any better/faster?
[17:59] <apachelogger> that way you get fancy tags
[17:59]  * smarter man debcommit
[17:59] <apachelogger> rgreening: it got usb :P
[18:00] <rgreening> besides...
[18:00] <rgreening> :)
[18:00] <apachelogger> rgreening: no
[18:00] <apachelogger> the other parts are floss anyway
[18:00] <rgreening> ok. cool.
[18:01] <smarter> apachelogger: okay, I'll use it next time
[18:01] <rgreening> apachelogger: I installing Intrepid in a vbox vm a sane/good test for whether it will work?
[18:02] <rgreening> cause if it is, it works for me
[18:02] <apachelogger> working != working
[18:02] <apachelogger> the desktop usually doens't break
[18:02] <apachelogger> it's the other fancy stuff that does
[18:02] <apachelogger> like printer support
[18:03] <rgreening> ah...then only way is to really install
[18:03] <apachelogger> smarter: testbuilding
[18:03] <apachelogger> qbzr++
[18:03] <smarter> thanks ;)
[18:03]  * smarter gives a try to qbzr
[18:04] <apachelogger> added .bzr-builddeb
[18:04] <apachelogger> added .bzr-builddeb/default.conf
[18:05] <apachelogger> smarter: I did a debcommit with that ^
[18:05] <smarter> ok
[18:06] <smarter> why is qbzr using gtk icons? :P
[18:07] <smarter> uh oh, looks like there is a bug with qlog
[18:07] <smarter> the log entries are blank
[18:07] <smarter> and I get lots of tracebacks
[18:07] <apachelogger> works here
[18:07] <apachelogger> then again, I think I am using trunk
[18:08] <smarter> could you look throught the log of trunk to see if something like that has been mentioned and fixed?
[18:09] <smarter> it would be worth backporting it
[18:09] <smarter> I get lots of stuff like: http://pastebin.com/m141cb221
[18:10] <apachelogger> no time
[18:10] <apachelogger> I has to do testbuilding
[18:10] <apachelogger> and get drunk
[18:10]  * apachelogger bought a new bottle of captain morgan :D
[18:11] <apachelogger> hm
[18:11] <apachelogger> smarter: why does my kvkbd have an icon if the deb doesn't ship one?
[18:11] <smarter> it uses a standard fd.o icon
[18:11] <apachelogger> ewww
[18:11] <apachelogger> fd.o
[18:11] <apachelogger> oxygen!
[18:11] <smarter> which exists in oxygen
[18:11] <apachelogger> really?
[18:12] <smarter> yes
[18:12]  * apachelogger still thinks it doesn't look like oxygen
[18:12] <smarter> that's what specs are for :P
[18:12] <apachelogger> smarter: what's its name?
[18:12] <smarter> oh, you mean the tray icon?
[18:12] <apachelogger> I mean the icon in my menu
[18:12] <smarter> this one is oxygen
[18:12] <\sh> apachelogger: can you put jonos record on radio amarok? :)
[18:12] <smarter> preferences-desktop-keyboard irrc
[18:12] <smarter> *iirc
[18:12]  * smarter looks in his code
[18:12] <apachelogger> \sh: dood, I am no longer a roker :P
[18:13] <apachelogger> other than that I would
[18:13] <smarter> yes, that's it
[18:13] <apachelogger> verrry weird
[18:13] <\sh> apachelogger: how has da power now?
[18:13] <apachelogger> anywho, package looks goody
[18:13] <apachelogger> \sh: I wouldn't know #amarok.radio
[18:13] <apachelogger> most likely it is dead
[18:13] <\sh> apachelogger: was mez not the god of radio?
[18:13] <smarter> hmm, kde-l10n-fr has not been updated since 4.1.1 in hardy
[18:14] <apachelogger> \sh: well, of the servas, not the radio, that was me ;-)
[18:14] <apachelogger> oh
[18:15] <apachelogger> ~np
[18:15] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "mugger" by Binärpilot
[18:15] <smarter> Qt Designer 4.5 awesomeness: http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/formlayout.png :)
[18:16] <apachelogger> smarter:   kvkbd_0.6.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[18:16] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[18:17] <smarter> thanks :)
[18:17] <apachelogger> yw
[18:19]  * apachelogger hands \sh a glass of captain
[18:20] <\sh> captain?
[18:24] <apachelogger> ~google wikipedia captain morgan
[18:24] <kubotu> Results for wikipedia captain morgan: 1. Captain Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Morgan | 2. Henry Morgan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Morgan | 3. rumclub - Captain Morgan: http://www.rumworld.nl/CaptainMorgan.html
[18:24] <apachelogger> \sh: ^
[18:26] <seele> apachelogger: got a little cap'n in ya?
[18:26]  * seele does the knee raise
[18:27]  * apachelogger looks, notices that he looses balance and falls over
[18:28]  * seele has poor balance and falls over too
[18:32] <apachelogger> I am wondering what my favorite Nightrose does all day long
[18:33] <seele> uhm.. hmm.. so i can't login using KDM after upgrading
[18:33] <Nightrose> apachelogger's favourite Nightrose was busy with university stuff all day
[18:33]  * Nightrose hugs apachelogger 
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[18:33] <apachelogger> university--
[18:34]  * apachelogger rehugs Nightrose
[18:34] <apachelogger> Nightrose: that does however not explain what you are doing right now ;-)
[18:34] <Nightrose> laundry and cooking ;-)
[18:35] <apachelogger> funnies
[18:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: bug 287097
[18:36] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287097 in kdebase-runtime "Use Kubuntu Logo for Kickoff instead of the KDE logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287097
[18:36] <apachelogger> I remember we talked about this at the marketing meeting, in fact I think we decided to bring this up at a kubuntu meeting, but I don't seem to remember we actually did that ;-)
[18:43] <apachelogger> is there anything useable an apachelogger could do these days?
[18:44] <seele> anyone else experience this: but 281950
[18:44] <seele> *bug 281950
[18:44] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 281950 in ubuntu "KDE Cannot start from kdm or gdm" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/281950
[18:44] <smarter> kubuntu logo for the KMenu? I don't think it would look good
[18:44] <rgreening> apachelogger: I can take care if bug 287097 if you know which image to use...
[18:45] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287097 in kubuntu-default-settings "Use Kubuntu Logo for Kickoff instead of the KDE logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287097
[18:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: needs discussion
[18:45] <smarter> yes
[18:45] <rgreening> if you want it, let me know... I'll do it
[18:45] <apachelogger> the only sensible way to replace all KDE logos with Kubuntu ones
[18:46] <seele> apachelogger: what about instead of the sproket behind the K we have the circle thing
[18:46] <apachelogger> and my POV is that KDE should get a fair amount of branding, which contradicts with that proposal
[18:46] <seele> so it is still an n x n icon and not "Kubuntu" or just the blue circle
[18:46] <rgreening> I'd like to see a KDE logo with the Gears remove and the Kubuntu symbol there instead. :)
[18:46] <apachelogger> hm
[18:47] <apachelogger> nifty
[18:47] <rgreening> :)
[18:47] <apachelogger> but sounds like a good idea
[18:47] <rgreening> omg.. seele though what I typed I was just too slow..
[18:47] <rgreening> hahah
[18:47] <smarter> maybe we could go like in kde3, and add a kubuntu logo inside the new media notifier applet?
[18:48] <apachelogger> smarter: the new new media notifier applet's icon does look different
[18:48] <apachelogger> ...different ... better... but it makes that course of action unusable
[18:48] <smarter> in 4.2?
[18:49] <apachelogger> yus
[18:49] <smarter> screenshot? :]
[18:49] <apachelogger> aplg.kollide.net/images
[18:49] <apachelogger> go search :P
[18:49] <seele> where are x errors found?
[18:50] <rgreening> .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.log.0
[18:50] <apachelogger> depends on the Xiness
[18:50] <rgreening> true
[18:58] <seele> is startx supposed to work if you aren't using a display manager?
[19:00] <smarter> probably
[19:22] <rgreening> ScottK: around?
[19:24] <Arby> evening all, what's in need of attention today
[19:27] <rgreening> ScottK: I don't think the libgzplugin is getting used in opening the gz file.
[19:32] <rgreening> ScottK: attempting to open a gz file and it only opens /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libarchive.so and not the corresponding gz... so, me thinks it's using libarchive to do the dirty work
[19:33] <ScottK-palm> Does Gmail work in Konqueror  in Intrepid?
[19:34] <rgreening> think so... ( config kmail for gmail pop... so havent check in a while..
[19:35] <rgreening> ScottK-plam.. see my q's above....
[19:35] <smarter> it probably does, but without the fancy ajax
[19:35]  * Arby checks
[19:35] <ScottK-palm> My post on planet is getting questions.
[19:36] <rgreening> I'm using gmail with standard with chat fine under konq it seems...
[19:36] <vorian> ScottK-palm: yes, it works
[19:36] <ScottK-palm> Thanks.
[19:37] <ScottK-palm> See you later.
[19:59] <Riddell> seele: kdm.  anything in .xsession-errors or /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:59] <Riddell> seele: do you have plenty of disk space on / and /home ?
[20:01]  * Riddell hugs ScottK 
[20:01]  * rgreening slaps ark
[20:01]  * NCommander running tackles Riddell 
[20:02]  * rgreening pulls out his uzi
[20:04] <Riddell> ScottK: I use arora for gmail
[20:04] <Riddell> I really hope webkitkde is usable in jaunty
[20:05] <Riddell> where usable is pretty much "supports flash"
[20:05] <smarter> that shouldn't be hard
[20:06] <Riddell> and we'll have <video> by then, so we won't need flash :)
[20:06] <smarter> except if you had "in a reliable way" somewhere :]
[20:06] <rgreening> is ther a gui gdb?
[20:06] <apachelogger> kgdb
[20:06] <smarter> oh, yes <video> rocks
[20:06] <rgreening> I get command not found so I guess it's not in the command not found...
[20:07] <mattik> Hello, I have really rare problem. Wireless works some time and end to working. I tried many times. My Intrepid halted before this problem because of flash.
[20:07] <smarter> user support on #kubuntu
[20:07] <mattik> ok
[20:07] <apachelogger> rgreening: maybe it doesn't exist anymore
[20:07] <apachelogger> or maybe I amde it up to begin with
[20:08] <mattik> in fact it's not support thing, it's bug, but anyway I go to #kubuntu
[20:08] <rgreening> hmm... cgdb ... curses... ew
[20:09] <rgreening> ah... kdbg
[20:09] <rgreening> maybe
[20:11] <NCommander> what are you guys up to?
[20:12] <rgreening> how the heck do you debug a kde app? I have kdbg installed and debug symbols for the package... any pointers. debugging ark
[20:13] <rgreening> oh.. nm. got it working
[20:13] <smarter> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/Tutorials/Debugging
[20:13] <smarter> http://techbase.kde.org/index.php?title=Development/FAQs/Debugging_FAQ
[20:14] <apachelogger> rgreening: gdb APP
[20:14] <apachelogger> then run
[20:14] <apachelogger> then wait for the crash
[20:14] <apachelogger> then bt
[20:14] <apachelogger> then you haz a backtrace
[20:15] <rgreening> no crash. I'm trying to figure out why gz files dont open...
[20:15] <apachelogger> strace it
[20:15] <apachelogger> questions is
[20:15] <apachelogger> when does it not open gz files?
[20:15] <apachelogger> I patched that in
[20:15] <rgreening> $ ark file.gz, same from within konq.
[20:16] <rgreening> it always displays a blank pane
[20:16] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:16] <apachelogger> eh?
[20:16] <apachelogger> oh?
[20:16] <apachelogger> uh?
[20:16]  * apachelogger fires up the vms
[20:20] <rgreening> hehe
[20:21] <apachelogger> hm
[20:21] <apachelogger> I thought jonny boy said it works -.-
[20:22] <Riddell> on this channel it helps to qualify your jonathans :)
[20:22] <jussi01> hehe
[20:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: you would be jr :P
[20:23] <apachelogger> hm
[20:23] <apachelogger> technically gzipy should work
[20:25] <rgreening> apachelogger: ok, in the debugger, it never reaches into gzplugin.cpp
[20:25] <rgreening> so, tells me it's not working and the patch isn't functional (unless Im doing something wrong)
[20:25] <apachelogger> /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libgz.so
[20:25] <apachelogger> /usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libgz.desktop
[20:25] <apachelogger> the problem seems to be in a desktop file
[20:26] <rgreening> I even did a lsof on ark... the /usr/lib/kde4/kerfuffle_libgz.so is never touched
[20:28] <Riddell> rgreening: where's that guidance-p-m patch of yours again?
[20:28] <rgreening> ScottK had added, but forgot to add in a comment for my addition.. so, not sure where it got inserted...
[20:29] <rgreening> but let me see if I can dig up from my system
[20:30] <rgreening> I think he re-wrote what I had as patch 01
[20:30] <apachelogger> write(2, "ark(26231)/kdecore (trader) KMim"..., 139ark(26231)/kdecore (trader) KMimeTypeTrader::query: query for mimeType  "application/x-gzip" ,  "Kerfuffle/Plugin"  : returning  2  offers
[20:30] <rgreening> though maybe not..
[20:31] <rgreening> Ridell: let me check my e-mail sent items
[20:32] <rgreening> Riddell: I e-mailed it to you...
[20:32] <rgreening> now
[20:32] <apachelogger> hm
[20:32] <apachelogger> I think I got the problem
[20:33] <rgreening> apachelogger: wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[20:33] <seele> Riddell: did you say you were doing a remix > intrepid upgrade?  did it work?
[20:33]  * rgreening crosses fingers
[20:34] <rgreening> Riddell: I think the bits in the diff were integrated in his 01 patch for HAL... from the looks of it.
[20:34] <apachelogger> or maybe not
[20:34]  * rgreening slomps down on the desk
[20:34] <apachelogger> ah
[20:34] <rgreening> slumps even
[20:34] <apachelogger> forgot kbuildsycoca4
[20:34] <apachelogger> \o/
[20:34] <apachelogger> I am ze king
[20:35]  * apachelogger is in love with himself
[20:36] <jussi01> seele: mine worked ok... except it landed me at busybox... had to reconfigure xorg and reinstall fglrx
[20:36] <jussi01> apachelogger: we knew that :P
[20:36]  * jussi01 hugs apachelogger
[20:37] <rgreening> apachelogger: whats the fix
[20:37] <seele> jussi01: blah.. i cant log in with kdm and i dont know what's wrong to fix it
[20:37] <apachelogger> metellius, rgreening: kde svn 874525
[20:37] <ubottu> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=874525&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 874525
[20:37] <seele> so i can't test anything else, heh
[20:37]  * apachelogger rehugs jussi01
[20:38] <jussi01> seele: oh bleh... that sucks. tried moving your .kde folder? (im guessing so...)
[20:38] <Riddell> seele: it's worked for me in the past
[20:38] <jussi01> apachelogger: you are my superhero :D
[20:38] <Riddell> seele: check that KDM has "KDE" selected in the Session menu
[20:39]  * seele falls out of her chair
[20:39] <seele> Riddell: ARGH! (there was no default selection)
[20:39] <jussi01> hehe
[20:39]  * seele cries
[20:40] <seele> i spent an hour looking through bug reports to see what the problem was
[20:40] <jussi01> seele: Im glad you got it sorted :D
[20:40] <apachelogger> rgreening: do we have a BR for the gzip stuff?
[20:40] <rgreening> apachelogger: so I was right... it never got out of libarchive...
[20:40] <rgreening> BR?
[20:40] <apachelogger> bug report
[20:40] <rgreening> oh.. no. ScottK asked me to look at it
[20:41] <apachelogger> rgreening: the knowledge that it didn't get out of libarchive isn't woth anything if you don't know why :P
[20:42] <rgreening> apachelogger: that's why I was running the debugger...
[20:42] <rgreening> :)
[20:42] <apachelogger> rgreening: kdebugdialog
[20:42] <rgreening> hmm...
[20:42] <apachelogger> runtime debugging is way more fun than backtracing :P
[20:42] <rgreening> omg... new one for me...
[20:42] <rgreening> :)
[20:42] <rgreening> never knew about it
[20:43]  * rgreening learns more every day.
[20:43]  * rgreening is in debt to the logger of apaches :)
[20:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: fix for ark uploaded, if you want to you can apply it yourself to usr/share/kde4/services/kerfuffle_libarchive.desktop ... http://websvn.kde.org/?view=rev&revision=874525
[20:44] <rgreening> wow.. that would have saved me hours or searching
[20:44] <apachelogger> rgreening: well, only if upstream was nice enough to add loads of debug
[20:44] <apachelogger> otherwise the fun begins :D
[20:44] <rgreening> true... in this case, it pointed in the correct direction
[20:45] <apachelogger> analyzing code and adding random kDebug()'s
[20:45] <rgreening> thanks man. you ROCK!
[20:45] <apachelogger> rgreening: I know :P
[20:45] <rgreening> are you going to UDS?
[20:45] <apachelogger> nope
[20:45] <seele> hmm.. gethotnewstuff still doesnt work?
[20:45] <rgreening> dam... I owe you beer...
[20:45] <rgreening> :P
[20:45] <apachelogger> not only you ;-)
[20:45] <rgreening> lol
[20:45] <apachelogger> seele: what makes you think that?
[20:46] <seele> apachelogger: any plasmoids i isntall dont show up in the list?
[20:46] <apachelogger> meh
[20:46] <apachelogger> probably again binary plasmoids in the scripted plasmoid list
[20:46] <rgreening> apachelogger: well, maybe I'll proxy a beer onto someone else for ya. :P
[20:46] <seele> apachelogger: and only two plasmoids show up in the list, it should be more than that, no?
[20:47] <apachelogger> seele: no, it only can list script plasmoids
[20:47] <apachelogger> i.e. such using python/ruby/javascript
[20:47] <apachelogger> there aren't many of them
[20:47] <apachelogger> ...if any...
[20:47] <smarter> apachelogger: what's kdebugdialog?
[20:47] <apachelogger> smarter: control application for which debug messages to show
[20:48] <apachelogger> I hate it
[20:49] <smarter> oh yes, forgot that one
[20:49] <smarter> why?
[20:49] <apachelogger> seele: amarok reflections is a superkaramba theme
[20:49]  * apachelogger logs in and starts moving
[20:50] <rgreening> apachelogger/ScottK: I'll take care of the fix for ark. I have to run atm. But I'll be back shortly... and fwd the diff.
[20:50] <apachelogger> rgreening: I already uploaded the package
[20:50] <rgreening> wow.. ok. that was quick
[20:51]  * rgreening thinks apachelogger is a machine
[20:51] <rgreening> :)
[20:51] <rgreening> ok. back in an hour or so. thanks.
[20:51] <seele> hmm.. i thought the dummy more... link in adept was going to be taken out
[20:54] <apachelogger> seele: cleaned up plasma again
[20:54] <apachelogger> back to 0 script plasmoids :(
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[21:02] <emgent> uhm
[21:02] <emgent> (gdb) kopete(9068) Kopete::AccountManager::setOnlineStatus: category:  2
[21:02] <emgent> ASSERT: "i >= 0 && i < size()" in file /usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qbytearray.h, line 379
[21:02] <emgent> msn in kopete is nice.. :)
[21:14] <Riddell> seele: so it had no session selected and didn't give you a warning?
[21:23] <seele> Riddell: right
[21:24]  * seele still feels a little silly about not figuring it out
[21:25] <Riddell> seele: I remember it giving me an ugly warning when I tried, but just silently failing is quite nasty
[21:27] <Riddell> bit late for a fix though, we'll need to make sure it's clearly in the upgrade documentation
[21:47] <apachelogger> Riddell, seele: http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot175.png
[21:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: yeah, that's what I got
[21:48] <Riddell> not very friendly but better than nothing
[21:48] <apachelogger> seele: what do you have in your .dmrc?
[21:48]  * apachelogger supposes it is rewritten yet anyway :S
[21:49] <seele> apachelogger: sec.. gotta load the vm
[21:52] <seele> ah, yeah.. it must have been
[21:54] <seele> apachelogger: added a new user and the Session=default
[21:54]  * apachelogger finds this very weird
[21:54] <seele> apachelogger: but back in KDM for the first login, there is no selection
[21:55] <seele> so it does the false login thing
[21:55] <apachelogger> seele: no session selection?
[21:55] <seele> apachelogger: i can select the Session Type and then it works.. but by default nothing is there
[21:55] <apachelogger> seele: well, there is a minor glitch, for some reason KDM doesn't display which session it would use
[21:56] <seele> apachelogger: "Default (previous)" which i assume correlates with Session=default is not selected
[21:56] <seele> oh, heh
[21:56] <apachelogger> only way to find out is less .dmrc
[22:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: bug 287097 is won't fix, we're a KDE distro and like to be associated as one
[22:01] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 287097 in kubuntu-default-settings "Use Kubuntu Logo for Kickoff instead of the KDE logo" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287097
[22:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: wonderful statement
[22:11] <Tonio_> hi there
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just tested enabling desktop effects on hardy with an intel ship
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: works, but it seems to break ksplash/moodin
[22:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: is that known problem ?
[22:12] <Riddell> hi rgreening, I e-mailed a couple of wee queries about that patch
[22:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't use moodin any more
[22:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: just to know if I can enable it by default for our clients or not :)
[22:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: on hardy ?
[22:13] <Riddell> oh, sure hardy, dunno
[22:13] <Riddell> Tonio_: using compiz or kwin?
[22:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact with desktop effects enabled, the all screen goes grey and I only see the icons
[22:13] <Riddell> I expect both have problems
[22:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: kde3, so I think compiz loads by default...
[22:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay so if I want 3D desktop, I have to disable the splash screen....
[22:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't use a splash screen by default in hardy
[22:14] <Riddell> so re-disable it :)
[22:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, I pretty much like it :) I saw it was disabled by default, since I had to re-enable it :)
[22:16] <Tonio_> I'll test and decide... 3D desktop isn't that important btw
[22:16] <Riddell> ksplash slows down startup time in kde 3
[22:16] <Riddell> more important than ksplash :)
[22:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum okay :)
[22:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: WOW !!!!!! it really slows it....
[22:21] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is something like 5 times faster without ksplash
[22:21] <Riddell> I did say :)
[22:22]  * Tonio_ notes that when Riddell says, better is to listen carefully !
[22:24] <blizzz> is the python clock plasmoid in II supposed to work? because it doesn't for me
[22:26] <apachelogger> rgreening: ^
[22:26] <blizzz> no hand moves, when right-clicking an exception is triggered and when trying to open its settings a error message is send, that an unknown timezone is set
[22:27] <blizzz> erm, it tries to set an unknown timezone i mean, namely "Local"
[22:28] <apachelogger> that seems like a sensible timezone, unless that isn't some kind of variable name :P
[22:28] <apachelogger> so
[22:28] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to package the almighty 4.5 tp?
[22:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: no current plans to
[22:29] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd be interested to check that it works with external phonon in qtwebkit though
[22:29] <blizzz> well this is how it is in the source. i tried to take something else (by luck - i don't know the valid strings), but didn't work either
[22:29] <apachelogger> we need more minions :S
[22:30] <apachelogger> blizzz: cat /etc/timezone
[22:30] <apachelogger> that would be a valid string I guess
[22:31] <blizzz> apachelogger: there is no file timezone in etc
[22:31] <apachelogger> that is
[22:31] <rgreening> blizzz: no. the dataengine isn't functioning at the moment. just the gui part.
[22:31] <apachelogger> intersting
[22:32] <rgreening> Riddell: did you upload my plasma python fix  (prevents the exception)
[22:32] <blizzz> rgreening: is this because of the python support or because of the dataengine?
[22:33] <blizzz> apachelogger: there is localtime, but thats something binary
[22:33] <rgreening> dataengine is in python, but not working
[22:33] <apachelogger> rgreening: I told you to remove it ... there you have your first complaint :P
[22:34] <rgreening> lol. if the fix was uploaded and if the example was a suggests... it would be diff. and I plan on fixing the dataengine shortly...
[22:34] <blizzz> rgreening: yes, but is the dataengine broken or the underlying python support delivert by plasmas scriptengine?
[22:34] <rgreening> it's the example thats broken at the moment
[22:35] <rgreening> the gui works but thats all
[22:35] <blizzz> okay, that's not too bad
[22:35] <rgreening> exactly...
[22:35] <rgreening> the plasma python works
[22:35] <rgreening> Riddell: you around
[22:35] <Riddell> rgreening: "* Fix crashing in examples for plasma-python-examples (temp only fix)" ?
[22:36] <rgreening> yeah
[22:36] <rgreening> did that get in
[22:37] <Riddell> /usr/share/doc/kdebase-workspace-bin/changelog.Debian.gz says it did
[22:38] <rgreening> hmm... ok, perhaps blizzz needs to update.. blizz what ver of the package do you have
[22:39] <blizzz> rgreening: 4:4.1.2-0ubuntu11
[22:40] <rgreening> shouldn't be getting the exception... can you remove the examples package via a apt-get purge
[22:40] <rgreening> and re-install
[22:41] <blizzz> i do
[22:41] <jjesse> interesting problem on my intrepid build, when i launch konsole i get another scim icon in my taskbar and then konsole won't open any ideas?
[22:42] <apachelogger> jjesse: another?
[22:42] <jjesse> apachelogger: i have two scim icons in my taskbar when i launch konsole
[22:42] <apachelogger> screenie
[22:43] <jjesse> trying to get one
[22:44] <jjesse> hrmm have a bunch of updates, let me run those first befroe i bug you all again
[22:44] <jussi01> jjesse: curious, i had a simiöar problem, when I uninstalled gtk-qt-engine, it went away
[22:45] <rgreening> doesn't crash or cause an exception here for me
[22:46] <rgreening> blizzz: sry.. lost net. did you answer?
[22:47] <blizzzek> rgreening: no difference
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[22:47] <rgreening> blizzz: 1 sec... im going to purge on my end and re-install
[22:49] <jjesse> jussi01: ok let me see what happens after updates
[22:50] <jussi01> :)
[23:09] <rgreening> blizzz, can you do me a favor...
[23:10] <rgreening> blizzz: open /usr/share/kde4/apps/plasma/plasmoids/plasma-pyclock/contents/code/main.py and look at line 58.
[23:10] <rgreening> blizzz: tell me if its commented out
[23:10] <rgreening> if you have the right one, it should be
[23:11] <rgreening> as well as line 151 should be commented out.
[23:15] <blizzz> rgreening: it is commented out
[23:17] <rgreening> ok, so, what heppens when you launch the applet.. exactly.
[23:18] <rgreening> and how are you launching it?
[23:18] <blizzz> rgreening: i open it in console with plasmoidviewer.
[23:18] <blizzz> there appear a bunch of messages, but everything seems fine
[23:18] <rgreening> and what happens
[23:18] <blizzz> that is no error
[23:18] <blizzz> so a window opens with the clock
[23:18] <rgreening> ok. good.
[23:19] <blizzz> both hands point at 0 o'click
[23:19] <rgreening> yep
[23:19] <blizzz> they won't move
[23:19] <rgreening> and the engine for time is the commented out part. I though there was an exception and crash
[23:19] <blizzz> no, but i get an exception when i rightclick the clock
[23:19] <rgreening> so no crash.. and no exception... right
[23:20] <blizzz> though it does not crash somehow
[23:20] <rgreening> 1 sec
[23:21] <rgreening> yeah. checked, harmless (though I'll clean it up as soon as I can)... ok
[23:21] <rgreening> the settings menu is commented out for now as well
[23:22] <rgreening> if some enterprising person wanted to hack on it, I'd be glad to assist in getting the fix in :)
[23:22] <blizzz> however, when i click on settings it says: plasmoidviewer(14010) KTimeZoneWidget::setSelected: No such zone: "Local"
[23:23] <rgreening> yep. it was a default in the code and the tz is likely not a valid tx to use in the code.
[23:23] <rgreening> s/tx/tz
[23:23] <blizzz> rgreening: i want to get into pythonplasmoiding, that's why i tested this out :)
[23:24] <rgreening> cool. thats why I backported the library as well... the example was a victim though and needs some love. I may just write a more simple example to include once I get a better understanding myself.
[23:27] <blizzz> i will try as well :)
[23:27] <rgreening> good stuff
[23:27] <blizzz> this is something exciting, i was waiting for months for python support :D
[23:28] <blizzz> in our forum was a request for a tutoial/help once ago, so this is something one can convey it to the people in irc events or workshops