[00:01] <zer0o> el-gokulo: it's not a photo editor it's an image editor and it's pretty much like gimp, actually it's worst...
[00:06] <gometh> hi all
[00:07] <genii> Hello
[00:07] <gometh> hi genii
[00:08] <genii> gometh: You have some question regarding Kubuntu?
[00:08] <gometh> i am trying to install something in ubuntu.... but its not working...
[00:09] <gometh> i installed kubuntu.... but it stops in between & restart the lappy again :(
[00:09] <genii> gometh: You are installing it from the package manager like Adept or Synaptic, or some other way?
[00:09] <gometh> i have a kubuntu CD
[00:10] <cuznt> what is your lappy info?
[00:10] <genii> gometh: So you are trying to install Kubuntu from inside of regular Ubuntu?
[00:10] <cuznt> woah.... i never thought of thAT
[00:10] <genii> The usual method is to install the package kubuntu-desktop
[00:13] <gometh> i am able to use online live CD genii :(
[00:13] <gometh> ﻿cuznt trying this from last one week......
[00:19] <genii> gometh: Either:  try to start in VGA mode or: possibly use the Alternate install CD (text install only)
[00:39] <tickleme_eddie> where could i get cmd list for Konsole
[00:40] <genii> Thats sort of a trick question
[00:40] <genii> (and then he leaves)
[00:41] <gometh> i am here... wait for a answer..... genii :D
[00:41] <genii> gometh: Either:  try to start in VGA mode or: possibly use the Alternate install CD (text install only)
[00:41] <genii> As per what I said a while ago now
[00:41] <gometh> its not even installing completely.... so how i can start the VGA....?????????
[00:42] <gometh> its just stops while chking all the components.... & then it gets restarted....
[00:42] <genii> gometh: When you boot to the cd it has a menu before it begins booting. From there to choose the VGA option
[00:42] <gometh> i this its not supporting my wireless with the kbuntu
[00:43] <gometh> i think u are asking me to start it with the live Cd
[00:43] <genii> Yes
[00:43] <genii> Since thats normally how you install
[00:44] <gometh> i can run that... only but i will be happy if it gets installed
[00:48] <MrJaxon> Hi everyone! I'm desperately seeking an answer to a question of mine and have been googling it forever. Then I found this place and I hope that someone knows AND wants to help me. I was wondering how to make my panel/kicker transparent in kde 3.5 I've already set it to transparent and removed all shadows I could find. Still it seems like there's a border/shadow/line down at the kicker. It clearly shows where the kicker starts. I know
[00:48] <MrJaxon> that I somehow should be able to remove this. For example when window decorations crashes then the kicker looks exactly like I want it to look. However I need the decorations to be able to close/minimize/maximize windows...
[00:50]  * genii sips his coffee
[00:56] <MrJaxon> noone knows huh?
[01:02] <belorix> Hi, im on Kubuntu and how can i get my sound to work with Kopete
[01:03] <kexman> good lord
[01:03] <kexman> why is kubuntu basic installation so minimalistic
[01:03] <saint_> ?
[01:04] <kexman> what i would need : ppp to work with konqueror
[01:04] <kexman> kopete works fine
[01:04] <kexman> but konqueror wont gimme any pages back
[01:04] <kexman> altough internet is up an running well
[01:04] <kexman> i start it with 'pon E220' (huawei)
[01:04] <kexman> poff E220
[01:04] <kexman> that is how i turn it off
[01:05] <kexman> ifconfig shows me a ppp interface
[01:05] <belorix>  Hi, how can i get my sound to work with Kopete?
[01:06] <cuznt> !sound
[01:06] <kexman> !MP3
[01:06] <cuznt> umm friends dont let friends download mp3's
[01:06] <kexman> heh ?
[01:08] <genii> Or drive drunk :)
[01:09] <geek> lol
[01:10] <geek> cuznt: ironically though, i prefer mp3s over say aac or ogg simply cause they tend to be more compatable
[01:10] <genii> I like ogg
[01:10] <geek> and i ripped most of mine myself
[01:10] <geek> if i needed to use a FOSS format i'd go for flac ;p
[01:10] <cuznt> aac is what i need for my ipod int it>?
[01:11] <cuznt> i use flac mostly...      now if somneone would invent a flac player for my car
[01:11] <geek> you can use mp3s on anything. AAC (and varients) is what the ipod uses
[01:11] <kr0n05931> when I try to run adept I get this message:
[01:11] <kr0n05931> Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude).
[01:11] <kr0n05931> Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself.
[01:11] <geek> cuznt: flac for archiving, then trancode for what you can use ;p
[01:11] <spawn57> look up rockbox
[01:12] <genii> kr
[01:12] <kr0n05931> how can I fix this?
[01:12] <geek> spawn57: not always an option ;p
[01:12] <spawn57> it should let to you play oggs without a problem, not sure about flac
[01:12] <spawn57> geek: true, but it at least you have some
[01:12] <genii> kr0n05931: Follow what you read. Do you have something else running using the package manager?
[01:12] <kr0n05931> no
[01:12] <kr0n05931> I just rebooted
[01:13] <kr0n05931> adept had crashed half way through installing java
[01:13] <genii> Probably the updater
[01:13] <kr0n05931> and now this happened
[01:13] <kr0n05931> the updater says the same thing
[01:13] <genii> !aptfix
[01:13] <genii> Try that then
[01:13] <kr0n05931> ok
[01:13] <spawn57> what does fuser do?
[01:14] <kr0n05931> thank you :)
[01:18] <ign0ramus> !bluetooth
[01:19] <genii> Basically bluez
[01:21] <geek> spawn57: granted if rockbox ran on my classic 1st generation i would. the default firmware is somewhat unreliable
[01:21] <spawn57> bummer
[01:26] <kyrksaeterora> hey hey hey
[01:27]  * genii hands kyrksaeterora a Molson's
[01:27]  * kyrksaeterora takes the Molson's
[01:27] <kyrksaeterora> cheers
[01:28] <kyrksaeterora> alright so I got kubuntu all set up for wireless, got KDE4.1.2 installed and it still worked with knetworkmanager for like the first three times it booted into kde4, now it doesn't work with knetworkmanager. won't load right
[01:28] <kyrksaeterora> is there a knetworkmanager-4?
[01:37] <kyrksaeterora> nevermind, I'm a dolt
[01:37] <sniggz> hi
[01:38] <sniggz> finally !!!!!!!!!
[01:38]  * sniggz just got linux installed.
[01:38] <kyrksaeterora> congrats!
[01:38] <sniggz> im reading a hacking book, called maximum security.
[01:38] <genii> Congrats
[01:38] <kyrksaeterora> I did my first install monday last week
[01:38] <sniggz> it says to install linux :)
[01:38] <Reed_Solomon> its easier to hack things that have minimum security
[01:38] <Reed_Solomon> just a tip
[01:38] <sniggz> so how do i hack shit.
[01:38] <kyrksaeterora> yeah
[01:38] <baudthief> help... I tried to install the proprietary ATi driver from their website yesterday (I *NEEDED* CCC), but it bugged out my X config, and now my machine wont boot into kdm. I tried using dpkg-reconfigure, but it never asks me about display config(!?)
[01:38] <sniggz> i want to fuck shit up.
[01:39] <kyrksaeterora> ( sniggz ): what install of linux do you have
[01:39] <genii> !language
[01:39] <kyrksaeterora> you want one with a lot of penetrative tools
[01:39] <Reed_Solomon> snicker
[01:39] <kyrksaeterora> hacking isn't like 1. Install linux 2. ??? 3. pro
[01:39] <kyrksaeterora> it's like
[01:40] <kyrksaeterora> 1. install linux, 2. learn a hell of a lot 3. use it a hell of a lot, 4. pro
[01:40] <genii> More or less
[01:40] <sniggz> i want to send a forged email to my high schools windoze admin, forged as the principal asking to fix her printer for sexual favors.
[01:40] <genii> sniggz: We can't assist you with that here
[01:40] <sniggz> damn
[01:41] <kyrksaeterora> you need to learn how to connect to mail severs but good luck getting people here to help you
 you want one with a lot of penetrative tools
[01:41] <sniggz> gmail has an smtp server
[01:41] <cuznt> heh you said  penetrative
[01:41] <kyrksaeterora> hehe
[01:41] <kyrksaeterora> penetrative tools
[01:41] <sniggz> lets pretend i wanted to send a "nice" email.  but hide or "change" the from:
[01:41] <kyrksaeterora> that's a fancy word for "penis"
[01:41] <cuznt> !psag
[01:41] <sniggz> is smtp the kind of server im looking for ?
[01:41] <kyrksaeterora> sniggs: see above
[01:42] <sniggz> net
[01:42] <sniggz> neat
[01:42] <kyrksaeterora> you need to get the right server, get a legit login, know commands and be pretty well versed in command line/ssh/whatever to do that
[01:42] <sniggz> a combo of gmail freeload'n and tor == FUN FUN
[01:42] <kyrksaeterora> for instance I can actually pull that off but I am not going to tell you how
[01:42] <ign0ramus> sniggz: in other words, keep reading.
[01:42] <kyrksaeterora> this channel is more "hay my OS ain't werkin'" and less "lets hack"
[01:43] <sniggz> uhhh.... but the hacking book says people who run linux like to play quake 4 and fuck shit up on the computer.
[01:43] <kyrksaeterora> you have so much to learn
[01:43] <kyrksaeterora> go read more
[01:43] <kyrksaeterora> you won't find help here
[01:43] <kyrksaeterora> soz
[01:44] <ign0ramus> sniggz: what friggin book are you 'reading'?
[01:44] <stdin> ign0ramus: he can't respond
[01:44] <stdin> so best to stop talking to them
[01:44] <genii> sniggz: Please, this is your second warning on language
[01:44] <ign0ramus> stdin: probably for the best ;)
[01:44]  * genii hands stdin a coffee
[01:45] <stdin> !guidelines > sniggz
[01:45] <ign0ramus> i just feel like i'm missing out, because i run linux, and i don't play quake 4 or f*** s*** up... :(
[01:45] <kyrksaeterora> haha
[01:45] <kyrksaeterora> i don't play quake or mess stuff up either
[01:45] <kyrksaeterora> yay stereotypes
[01:45] <ign0ramus> :)
[01:45] <kyrksaeterora> I wonder if the book also says we live in our parents' basements
[01:45] <ign0ramus> heh
[01:46] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: people still try to use the 'command line' argument against linux
[01:46] <kyrksaeterora> lawl
[01:46] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: i don't think they've tried a distro in the last 3 years (if ever)
[01:46] <kyrksaeterora> I installed linux last week and with the exception of ndiswrapper for my crappy wireless card I would have needed no command line
[01:47] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: broadcom?
[01:47] <kyrksaeterora> airlink101
[01:47] <kyrksaeterora> and even then I typed in like four lines I needed
[01:47] <kyrksaeterora> so
[01:47] <kyrksaeterora> most of the stuff I got from .deb files
[01:47] <ign0ramus> aha... wonder if the new kernel will natively support it
[01:47] <kyrksaeterora> what, intrepid supporting mrv8k cards?
[01:47] <kyrksaeterora> i hope
[01:47] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: yeah, it's not that difficult, but i'd really like to be able to give a Kubuntu CD to someone, and know that everything'll 'just work'
[01:48] <kyrksaeterora> for sure. I've actually offered to install and update to kde4 for a bunch of my friends
[01:48] <kyrksaeterora> shown them my laptop
[01:48] <kyrksaeterora> and they were like "woah kde4 looks better than vista or osx and it's all free"
[01:49] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: that's another thing... people don't give much credence to something that's free
[01:49] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: "how good could it be? they're *giving* it away!"
[01:49] <kyrksaeterora> yeah. I'll admit I'm a pretty adamant windows geek
[01:49] <kyrksaeterora> but
[01:50] <kyrksaeterora> I saw KDE4 on one of the school computers
[01:50] <kyrksaeterora> and I was like
[01:50] <kyrksaeterora> "want that"
[01:50] <kyrksaeterora> I did a dual boot on my laptop and I haven't even booted to winxp yet
[01:50] <kyrksaeterora> brb
[01:50] <ign0ramus> kyrksaeterora: i have my gripes about it, but you have to admit Plasma is pretty visually stunning
[01:50] <LjL> !enter | kyrksaeterora
[01:52] <ign0ramus> does anyone know how to stop ksystraycmd from docking apps?  I've read the man pages, but i didn't see anything specifically relating to *not* dock an app... In this case I am talking about Firefox
[01:52] <cuznt> it is stunning
[01:53] <cuznt> too bad it crashed in minites on my pc
[01:53] <kyrksaeterora> if my laptop was better (it's four years old) it'd be better beause it lags a little bit but it is visually astonishing
[01:53] <ign0ramus> cuznt: have you tried 4.1.2?
[01:53] <cuznt> i tried 4.0
[01:54] <ign0ramus> cuznt: *major* differences in stability
[01:54] <dr_willis> The more i use kde4.. the more i find myself going back to gnome.. :(   perhaps in a few months after kde4 matures a bit.
[01:54] <cuznt> im scared
[01:54] <cuznt> heh
[01:54] <ign0ramus> cuznt: still not 3.5.x stable, but much moreso than 4.0
[01:54] <kyrksaeterora> yeah, I've had no issues with kde4.1.2
[01:54] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: but you still have love for kde3.5.x, right? :)
[01:54] <cuznt> ah did you both have plasma probs?
[01:54] <kyrksaeterora> afk
[01:55] <ign0ramus> cuznt: only once in a while, and only with certain plasmoids
[01:55] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  testing out gnome on 8.10 at the moment.. i also got kde4 on 8.10 -  its better.. but still has issues on my laptop
[01:55] <ign0ramus> cuznt: the basic ones that are enabled by default seem to be pretty bug-free
[01:56]  * genii hands dr_willis a coffee
[01:56] <dr_willis> in some ways i think plasma 'is' the problem..   but again.. i will give it a few months
[01:56] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: maybe i'm getting old, but I like having my icons on the desktop that I can arrange... I don't like the Folder view plasmoid thing so much
[01:56] <dr_willis> Ive noticed the gnome in 8.10 is going 'icon clear desktop' way also...
[01:57] <dr_willis> I get sick at people that have 1000+ icons on their desktop. :)
[01:57] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: i will only ever have two columns of icons, but I like having them
[01:57] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: kde4 forces me to use a dock, which i still don't like that much
[01:58] <dr_willis> In some ways i wish gnome and other wm;s had more of a 'dock' to keep icons in.
[01:59] <dr_willis> i like mine to stay on the sided in 2 colums
[01:59] <dr_willis> left side for places, right side for apps
[01:59] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: i'm sure there are plenty of docks for gnome, right?
[01:59] <dr_willis> ign0ramus,  their idea of a 'dock' seems to be OS-X clones
[01:59] <ign0ramus> ugh :/
[02:00] <dr_willis> I just want my icons to stay at the sides.. like how the old windowmaker warf did.
[02:00] <dr_willis> at least with kde4 stuff it lets me do that.
[02:00] <ign0ramus> every new mockup i've seen just makes the OS look like Vista or OS X
[02:00] <ign0ramus> hopefully they just stay 'mockups' ;)
[02:01] <cuznt>  <dr_willis> I get sick at people that have 1000+ icons on their desktop. :)
[02:01] <cuznt> exactly
[02:01] <cuznt> a bit slow i am today
[02:02] <ign0ramus> cuznt: Katapult is very underrated... I don't think a lot of people even know about it
[02:03] <cuznt> i see it try to come up but i have never made it do anything more than flash
[02:03] <ign0ramus> cuznt: once it's popped up, just begin typing the name of the app
[02:04] <cuznt>  i make it pop up by space + alt?
[02:04] <ign0ramus> yup
[02:04] <ign0ramus> then type like 'kopete' or whatever, press enter, and there you go... no need for icons at all!
[02:06] <cuznt>  wow
[02:06] <cuznt> i am amazed
[02:06] <cuznt> that rocks man
[02:06] <dr_willis> vista has some similer apps you can get.. the vista 'menu' sort of works that way.. but not as well. :)
[02:06] <cuznt> thanks
[02:06] <ign0ramus> cuznt: it's actually useful!  It's easier to type than alt+f2, imho
[02:06] <dr_willis> I agree Katapult is overlooked..
[02:07] <dr_willis> theres some gnomish katapult also i recall
[02:07] <dr_willis> called gnome-do
[02:07] <ign0ramus> gnome-do, i think
[02:07] <cuznt>  now i just need to learn to 1st spell and then type
[02:08] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: do you know if there's an ubuntu repo specifically for kernels?
[02:09] <dr_willis> There was a ppa kernel repo or 2 i think
[02:09] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: launchpad?
[02:09] <dr_willis> yea i think thats the same place..
[02:09] <dr_willis> im not sure how they all interrelate
[02:10] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: good call! https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive
[02:10] <dr_willis> there may be more then 1
[02:12] <ign0ramus> ^ that one is from Ubuntu Kernel Team Daily Build PPA... seems pretty legit
[02:13] <cuznt> can i version upgrade to 4.1.2 with apt?
[02:13] <ign0ramus> cuznt: yeah, hang on...
[02:14] <ign0ramus> cuznt: see here --> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2
[02:14] <cuznt> i can do it with synaptic too i guess
[02:14] <ign0ramus> cuznt: yeah, but you have to have the right repos
[02:15] <ign0ramus> cuznt: any frontend for APT will work
[02:15] <cuznt> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main
[02:17] <ign0ramus> sweet... downloading 2.6.27-5
[02:20] <ign0ramus> whoa- when did kubuntu start reminding you that you need to reboot (after installing a kernel)?  I never saw that before...
[02:20] <gui> what do you do for install beryl on my kurumin ng version 8.06 ???
[02:20] <dr_willis> Thats been a feature for a while ign0ramus
[02:21] <dr_willis> !compiz | gui
[02:21] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: i'm very observant, as you can see ;)
[02:21] <dr_willis> beryl is dead. - iots now compiz-fusion
[02:21] <ign0ramus> dr_willis: do i have to update grub, or will it automatically configure?
[02:22] <gui> where is the KMenu?? plz
[02:22] <ign0ramus> well, updated it anyway... brb.  wish me luck that the new kernel won't fry my eeprom
[02:29] <cuznt> 4.1.2 being sucked into my hd as i type
[02:29] <genii> Hm
[02:29] <Guest15839>  hola
[02:30] <genii> !es | Guest15839
[02:30] <Guest15839> graxxxxx genni
[02:51]  * genii sips
[02:51] <belorix> hey guys, hwo do i install themes iver tried to but they dont seem tow ork
[02:52] <belorix> !themes
[02:54] <szakulec> hi, what's the least I need to install in order to see the name of a japanese program?
[02:57] <vassili> hi everyone!!!!!!!
[02:57]  * cuznt check his everyone
[02:57] <genii> Wow, so many exclamation points :)
[02:57] <belorix> can somebody tell me how to install a theme im used to gnome new to kubuntu and i cant figure anything out
[02:57]  * Alan_M gets hit by a flying !
[02:58] <Alan_M> belorix: thats a good one, i wanna know how myself, i think you have to compile them somehow?
[02:58]  * Alan_M saw that on one of the ubuntu help sites anyways...
[02:58] <genii> belorix: The kde-look  url the bot gave has kde themes on it
[02:59] <belorix> Alan_M i dont knwo tis confusing and them teh theme managers not even in teh menus so someone told me to use kcontol but idk how to install themes eother
[02:59] <Alan_M> I lost all my themes except for 1
[02:59] <Alan_M> so...im in serious dire need as well ;)
[02:59] <belorix> genii, i know and i downloaded some themes, but they like wont work or liek install
[02:59] <Alan_M> I downloaded some rose theme....
[03:00]  * Alan_M cant figure it out...they didnt say how to install or anything
[03:00] <Alan_M> belorix: you and i are in the exact same boat :(
[03:01] <belorix> Alan_M this is why i stay with gnome
[03:01] <belorix> Alan_M Aparently accorring to my gentoo budddy Kubuntu KDE is missing alot of stuff
[03:01]  * Alan_M also is having issues with applications freezing in KDE....
[03:01] <Alan_M> sigsev constantly
[03:02] <belorix> Alan_M i guess were going to be stuck using google
[03:02] <Alan_M> belorix: well, every distro has their own "tweaks" to the desktop environments and stuff...
[03:02] <Alan_M> so...some places put stuff in...take it out....
[03:02] <Alan_M> it just depends on what the distro is about and stuff...
[03:04] <rodney_> run
[03:04] <rodney_> exit
[03:06] <Alan_M> the command is /quit or /part if you wish to leave....rodney_
[03:07] <total> I delete folder "/home/total/desktop"... where i can change default desktop folder? (because all folder in my home folder are displayed on desktop :-( )
[03:08] <genii> Hmm
[03:11] <total> please, help me(
[03:22] <genii> total: It can be changed in the file  ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
[03:22] <cuznt> !windowmaker
[03:22] <genii> Best to just re-make that directory however
[03:23] <Alan_M> !info windowmaker
[03:23] <total> thanks, I will be test it.
[03:25]  * genii ponders "I will be test it"
[03:41] <werenerd> hey guys, gotta an odd question. It's nothing emergency or urgent, but it is a head scratcher. KNetworkManager shows no active devices. Yet here I am. How?
[03:41] <werenerd> eth0 is obviously enabled
[03:42] <genii> Possibly /etc/network/interfaces has an entry which pre-empts the network manager
[03:42] <Goan> Hi. I am getting this error "The custom vm you have chosen is not a valid executable" when I open eclipse on my kubuntu machine. Anyone knows how to correct this error?
[03:43] <werenerd> genii: hmm, I had not thought of that. I shall check that out.
[03:44] <Omikane> Okay, I have been trying with google and #ubuntu both to setup my samba shares and I have failed at both. I'm not sure why I can't access my files from my windows computer.
[03:44] <werenerd> dammit genii! Get back in here!!!
[03:45] <werenerd> Omikane: tell me what you have done so far.
[03:45] <total> How I can force Dolpnih save icon size in every folder?
[03:47] <Omikane> wernerd I have setup the drives I want shared and created all of the rules for the share and mounted the drives but none of them are showing up on my windows computer. I recall last time I had the same problem and had to edit the smb.conf file to get everything right, but I do not recall what the changes were.
[03:47] <cilkay> Omikane: Install SWAT (Samba Web Administration Toolkit). It's the best way to configure Samba.
[03:48] <cilkay> Omikane: Windows is stupid about showing shares in Network Neighborhood so you might have to use a command prompt.
[03:48] <werenerd> Omikane: did you make sure you are in the same workgroup? That was an error I had once
[03:48] <cilkay> e.g. net view //server
[03:48] <Omikane> wernerd when I go to the workgroup in windows it prompts me for login/password and I try to use my ubuntu login/pass only to have it prompt me over and over again.
[03:48] <Goan> any one?
[03:48] <Omikane> wernerd they are both WORKGROUP
[03:48] <cilkay> Omikane: Try using smbpasswd
[03:49] <werenerd> Goan: when are you getting that error?
[03:49] <Omikane> cilkay as the login or pass?
[03:49] <cilkay> neither
[03:49] <Goan> werenerd, clicking on the link in program menu
[03:49] <werenerd> Goan: what program is vm?
[03:49] <cilkay> smbpasswd --help
[03:50] <Goan> java virtual machine
[03:50] <cuznt> so i upgraded to kde4.1 and i got a black screen
[03:50] <cilkay> Omikane: I don't remember if SWAT enables one to manage passwords or not. That might be an option too.
[03:51] <werenerd> Omikane: that sounds so damn familiar to me. I think I had the same problem a long time ago. I can't remember how I fixed it. have you read the SAMBA doc's? really that is the best way to learn it
[03:51] <cilkay> Omikane: The issue is that there is no automatic link between POSIX and NT passwords.
[03:51] <Omikane> cilkay well, the core issue is that I shouldn't require a pass/login.
[03:51] <cilkay> Omikane: Read above.
[03:51] <administrator> hi caan someone tell me the best way to open and extract a tgz file
[03:51] <werenerd> Goan: shit, sorry son. no help there
[03:51] <werenerd> administrator: ARK
[03:51] <administrator> errors ...
[03:52] <Omikane> cilkay how do i fix that?
[03:52] <werenerd> administrator: right click and select EXTRACT
[03:52] <administrator> read
[03:52] <administrator> not valid
[03:52] <cilkay> Omikane: Read above, please. I've given you the answer already, smbpasswd or maybe SWAT.
[03:52] <\Kira> one of my games keep crashing and there is no sound, is there a file I can view with details of this?
[03:52] <\Kira> or does it depend on the game?
[03:53] <Omikane> cilkay i just tried SWAT and it's didn't fix it. what is the smbpasswd?
[03:53] <werenerd> Omikane: you need to open the konsole and type " smbpasswd --help " is what cilkay
[03:53] <werenerd> was saying
[03:55] <administrator> keep getting error stating  child returned status 1
[03:55] <Omikane> wernerd ah, okay. Is there a default samba password?
[03:55] <cilkay> Omikane: SWAT does allow you to create users and manage their passwords. I just tried it.
[03:55] <cilkay> Omikane: No.
[03:56] <cilkay> It doesn't list users though, unfortunately.
[03:56] <cilkay> The best way to deal with this is a bit complex though.
[03:56] <administrator> any advice
[03:57] <Omikane> cilkay, I know but I wasn't able to resolve my problem with it. I have only had to setup samba once and I don't recall how I did exactly but I do recall edited smb.conf
[03:57] <werenerd> administrator: i am not familiar with that error.
[03:57] <werenerd> are you shure the archive file is not corrupt?
[03:57] <cilkay> Omikane: SWAT edits smb.conf for you. In fact, it's the canonical way to do it according to one of the Samba team I met at a conference a few years ago.
[03:58] <administrator> positive iv downed it twice   on this bax ... and on a windows box
[03:58] <jimmy51_home> hello, i'm running kubuntu 8.04.  a while back i added the kde4 packages to try it out, but it was pretty rough.  i've heard it's been updated but i don't see updates available in my package manager.  how can i make sure i have the latest kde4 to try out?
[03:58] <administrator> transfered it across to this box ... same
[03:58] <administrator> file works  i need to change a line in it ... but cant extract it todo so
[03:59] <werenerd> administrator: that is damn odd. have you removed ark and reinstalled it?
[03:59] <administrator> (firmware)
[03:59] <administrator> for nas box
[03:59] <Omikane> cilkay Last time I didn't a guy walked me through it and it only took 5min. sigh! It angers me because I know it's simple.
[03:59] <administrator> nope havent dont that ...
[04:00] <jimmy51_home> (my 8.04 install has kde3... i added the kde4 pacakges to mess around with, if that matters)
[04:00] <administrator> fresh well two day old install
[04:00] <cilkay> It is simple with SWAT. I recall spending lots of time on Samba years ago but since I started using SWAT, no more than a few minutes to set up Samba, tops.
[04:01] <cilkay> You just have to be aware that POSIX accounts != NT accounts.
[04:01] <werenerd> Omikane: I think this might help you: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/77956-samba-win-xp-asks-password.html
[04:01] <cilkay> ... where I mean Windows accounts for NT accounts.
[04:01] <trappist> my nvidia card failed, I replaced it with an ati, and when I rebooted video was fine but my atheros wifi card doesn't show up.  how can I load the madwifi drivers?
[04:02] <cilkay> You probably had a public share, i.e. no auth required, which eliminated the need for user name and password.
[04:04] <Omikane> cilkay how do I use SWAT after I install it? I did sudo swat and it just hung there.
[04:04] <cilkay> http://localhost:901
[04:05] <cilkay> The "W" part means "Web".
[04:05] <Omikane> cilkay it's just giving me a page load error
[04:05] <cilkay> Is it installed?
[04:06] <cilkay> Do you have Samba running?
[04:07] <cilkay> Omikane: As root, if you do "smbpasswd omikane", assuming omikane is your user name, you can enter a new password.
[04:07] <cilkay> Then, as omikane, type: smbclient --list localhost
[04:07] <cilkay> You can enter your password and see the shares.
[04:08] <cilkay> If smbclient can't see the shares, neither can Windows.
[04:08] <Omikane> cilkay yeah, swat is installed but I don't know if samba is running. I thought it was always running.
[04:08] <kyrksaeterora> does anybody know if Intrepid has any major functional differences from Hardy that I could use to justify the upgrade with?
[04:09] <cilkay> Omikane: Not necessarily. Type: /etc/init.d/samba start
[04:13] <Omikane> cilkay http://pastebin.com/m4561b47d this is what I got when I put those in.
[04:13] <cilkay> Omikane: You have to be root to start/stop daemons.
[04:14] <Omikane> cilkay that's the sudo right?
[04:14] <cilkay> Yes, you're getting elevated privileges for that particular command.
[04:14] <Omikane> cilkay okay, I did that.
[04:14] <cilkay> The first user that you create on K/Ubuntu by default can get root privileges.
[04:14] <cilkay> Yes, I saw that.
[04:15] <Omikane> cilkay so how I use SWAT again? lol
[04:15] <cilkay> Omikane: Read what I wrote above very carefully, please. I didn't say smbclient omikane
[04:16] <cilkay> cilkay> Then, as omikane, type: smbclient --list localhost
[04:16] <cilkay> Doesn't your IRC client have scrollback?
 http://localhost:901
[04:16] <cilkay> Omikane: Forget that for a minute.
[04:16] <Omikane> k
[04:16] <cilkay> Try: smbclient --list localhost
[04:17] <cilkay> You should be prompted for a password.
[04:17] <Omikane> session setup failed: NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[04:17] <cilkay> You entered your Linux password, right?
[04:17] <Omikane> yes
[04:17] <cilkay> As above: cilkay> Omikane: As root, if you do "smbpasswd omikane", assuming omikane is your user name, you can enter a new password.
[04:18] <cilkay> So, put sudo in front of that command.
[04:18] <Omikane> in front of this smbpasswd omikane?
[04:18] <cilkay> yes
[04:19] <cilkay> That's how you execute that as root.
[04:19] <cilkay> Otherwise, it'll ask you for your current password, which we don't know.
[04:20] <Omikane> http://pastebin.com/m472dcc56
[04:20] <cilkay> Looks right to me.
[04:21] <cilkay> You can browse shares on other Windows machines too.
[04:21] <cilkay> Just do smbclient --help and it'll tell you how.
[04:21] <cilkay> Now try connecting from Windows.
[04:21] <Omikane> score
[04:21] <Omikane> thanks
[04:22] <cilkay> Now, if you want to create new shares, machine accounts, users, etc. http://localhost:901
[04:22] <cilkay> You're welcome.
[04:22] <cilkay> Samba has excellent documentation, which you can access when you go to that URL.
[04:23] <cilkay> Omikane: There are much cleaner ways of doing away with this dichotomy between POSIX and Windows user accounts but they're more complicated.
[04:24] <cilkay> Actually, there is one very simple way. Run a distro that's purpose-built for dropping into a Windows network, SME Server.
[04:24] <cilkay> http://contribs.org
[04:25] <cilkay> In 20 minutes, you'll have something that deals with all the messy and complicated details of managing POSIX and Windows accounts.
[04:25] <cilkay> It uses OpenLDAP to do that.
[04:25] <cilkay> You can certainly use OpenLDAP to do that on K/Ubuntu too. It's just more work for you to set it up.
[04:26] <cilkay> I'll be doing that shortly.
[04:26]  * cilkay wishes there were packages for Red Hat's FreeIPA on K/Ubuntu or Debian.
[04:37] <SkEmO> how do i install windows in virtualbox?
[04:48] <geek> SkEmO: add the windows cd/iso as the cd rom device... boot into it. install as per normal
[04:52] <rogan_> is 8.10 still prety glichy?
[04:53] <kyrksaeterora> does intrepid come standard with kde4.1.x or does it come with 3.5.x
[04:54] <SkEmO> ok, thanks geek
[04:55] <geek> SkEmO: other than hardware, and initial set up in most cases virtualisation isn't too different from a real system ;p
[04:56] <SkEmO> yeah
[04:56] <SkEmO> what scares me now is that
[04:57] <SkEmO> i need to creat a partition to install windows
[04:57] <SkEmO> does this afects my linux?
[05:01] <geek> SkEmO: assuming you chose the defaults, its a partition in a disk *image* not an actual disk
[05:01] <geek> so.. it wouldn't affect it at all
[05:01] <SkEmO> ah
[05:01] <SkEmO> kewl!
[05:02] <SkEmO> so no worries then
[05:03] <jackson> ##windows
[05:23] <SkEmO> failure
[05:25] <benzin`> I want to whois everybody here and see how many are in konversation
[05:25] <benzin`> haha
[05:25] <benzin`> but then again the only reason why I'm in mIRC is because the keyboard and mouse for my windoze machine are closer
[05:26] <Goan> How can I use google talk on kubuntu?
[05:28] <Goan> pidgin does not allow me to voice talk
[05:28] <kyrksaeterora> I would say google search for a linux ver of google talk
[05:28] <kyrksaeterora> or get skype
[05:28] <kyrksaeterora> which you can get for linux
[05:29] <kyrksaeterora> http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
[05:34] <kyrksaeterora> hi there root________
[05:34] <_2> hey
[06:12] <deftone> I need to reset my desktop back to original settings. Any help pleez
[06:13] <root-away> deftone possably    rm -r ~/.kde
[06:14] <root-away> use with caution.
[06:14] <DarthFrog> You will lose all your mail if you do that!
[06:14] <root-away> DarthFrog depends on the mail client and whether you have it fetch all to local cache
[06:14] <kyrksaeterora> just rm -rf /
[06:15] <kyrksaeterora> btw, don't do that
[06:15] <kyrksaeterora> it deletes everything
[06:15] <DarthFrog> Do not "rm -rf ~/.kde".  Instead, "mv ~/.kde ~/.kde.saved".
[06:15] <kyrksaeterora> everything
[06:15] <root-away> kyrksaeterora no.  that will delete what ever the user has permission to delete
[06:15] <DarthFrog> kyrksaeterora: Funny man.  It wouldn't work.
[06:15] <peer`> sudo rm -rf /?
[06:15] <peer`> haha
[06:16] <almostjesus> Hi guys
[06:16] <stdin> do not post that here
[06:16] <root-away> peer` no.
[06:16] <DarthFrog> Cuz you'd need root priviliges to shoot yourself in the foot like that.
[06:16] <peer`> su root then rm -rf I guess
[06:16] <peer`> then
[06:16] <peer`> well whatever
[06:16] <DarthFrog> peer`: Yeah, go ahead.  I double-dog dare you. :-)
[06:16] <kkathman> good job stdin
[06:16] <peer`> what the hell
[06:17] <stdin> I said "do not post that here", so don't
[06:17] <peer`> oh
[06:17] <peer`> missed that bit
[06:17] <peer`> k
[06:17] <deftone> Darth: i don't have any mail so i'm not worried..i barely set this kubuntu up last night so lets see if it works..l
[06:17] <root-away> DarthFrog i have tested that command it only works until it rm's /lib/libc6*  leaves lots still on the system.
[06:17] <almostjesus> I'm trying to hack the gibson using my linux mainframe. How can I surf files in 3D? What is the terminal command?
[06:17] <deftone> Darth: also I noticed i havd a kde3 and kde4 folder...?
[06:17] <DarthFrog> root-away: It leaves your system totally unusable.
[06:17] <root-away> DarthFrog a completly broken system of course.
[06:18] <peer`> deftone that just means you have both KDE3 and KDE4 environments
[06:18] <DarthFrog> deftone: And guess which one is used for which version.
[06:19] <root-away> i guess root.* (probably some underscores)   was naughty in here ?
[06:20] <stdin> mass joins from the same IP
[06:20] <stdin> well, same ISP acually
[06:20] <stdin> *actually
[06:20] <root-away> ah clones
[06:21] <root-away> clones of clowns
[06:52] <kuo> dddd
[06:52] <root-away> f
[07:08] <root-away> i can't believe this Krap.  debian etch install cd, the busybox build of "tar" doesn't support -c !    how worthless is that ?
[07:08] <root-away> i'd go in there and complain about it but they won't allow root in there.
[07:08] <root-away> -:- [#debian] Banned from channel
[07:09] <DarkriftX> LOL
[07:09] <root-away>    (:
[07:09] <DarkriftX> busybox apps dont support a lot of stuff
[07:09] <root-away> DarkriftX i know.  but -x and -c should be in any "tar"
[07:10] <root-away> you may need to back something up.  or you may need to extract something.
[07:10] <DarkriftX> i had to replace all busybox apps on my debian install i had
[07:13] <root-away> well mounted an usb system on /mnt  (cause the box wont boot from usb)  did an export PATH=$PATH:/mnt/bin ;/mnt/bin/tar -czf blah blah   and it worked.
[07:13] <root-away> don't force it,  just hit it with a bigger hammer until it decides to fit.
[07:14] <root-away> needed the path modified because gzip is not even on the debian install cd
[07:22] <deftone> o.k this is driving me crazy....how can i copy the a folder and it's entire contents to another directory
[07:22] <Xavura> I did apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:23] <Xavura> 'cause I use gnome, but that's not the one I saw pictures of
[07:23] <Xavura> so which one am I looking for? I think it's the latest
[07:23] <Xavura> the package name
[07:25] <root-away> deftone mv blah newname
[07:26] <root-away> deftone or if you want a copy   cp -a
[07:27] <root-away> deftone if you want it on another computer scp -r host1:path host2:path   (works locally as well)     there is also rsync.
[07:27] <deftone> what does the -a designate?
[07:27] <root-away> deftone man cp
[07:27] <root-away> i'll give you the switch.  but if you want info use the manual
[07:31] <pio_> ciao
[07:37] <root-away> interesting, M$ scandisk wants to mark an entire platter as bad.    i guess i'll have to cat a zero to it.
[07:42] <rahul> hi
[07:43] <rahul> m unable to configure webcam in my ubuntu 8.04
[07:43] <rahul> sorry on kubuntu
[07:43] <rahul> any help
[07:43] <rahul> help
[07:43] <rahul> help
[07:44] <root-away> !webcam
[07:45] <rahul> thnks let me explore
[08:24] <JackWinter> hi i have a problem with all my kde windows being resized and having the menubar placed off screen when exiting a wine/opengl game.  i can see my wallpaper tiled, so it's probably a problem with resolution.  is there a way that i can lock the kde desktop to a certain resolution?
[08:24] <JackWinter> quickly tiled
[08:46] <Omoikane_> I'm trying to ssh into a computer of mine and I keep getting this error Host key verification failed how do I clear the keys?
[08:50] <geek> Omoikane_: the error message tells you what file to edit- erase the line it mentions or the whole file
[09:39] <cbrodehl> hallo
[09:39] <cbrodehl> ist jemand hier
[09:39] <cbrodehl> wie funktioniert das?
[09:39] <heiner> what?
[09:39] <cbrodehl> how does it goes here?
[09:40] <cbrodehl> can i write and you can read?
[09:40] <cbrodehl> i'm first here
[09:40] <jussi01> cbrodehl: yes, we can see you, but please use english
[09:41] <cbrodehl> ok i'm using english now
[09:41] <jussi01> cbrodehl: if you like you can join a german channel by typing
[09:42] <jussi01>  /join #kubuntu-de
[09:42] <cbrodehl> wow thanks thats very nice!
[09:44] <cbrodehl> can I aks you some questions?
[09:44] <cbrodehl> or isn't it the right place?
[09:44] <heiner> Don't ask to ask! First rule! :D
[09:45] <cbrodehl> ok ;-)
[09:45] <cbrodehl> thanks
[09:45] <heiner> Just ask, cbrodehl.
[09:45] <cbrodehl> ok
[09:45] <cbrodehl> i have a webcam
[09:46] <cbrodehl> lsusb: Bus 003 Device 004: ID 0c45:613b Microdia
[09:46] <cbrodehl> in ekiga i gets a picture
[09:46] <basse> hi, is anyone here using kubuntu 8.10 (beta) ?
[09:46] <heiner> basse: kubuntu+1
[09:46] <cbrodehl> but in skype i only gets a green picture
[09:46] <heiner> sorry, basse:
[09:46] <cbrodehl> realy green not a video what is green but a realy green
[09:46] <heiner> ubuntu+1!
[09:47] <cbrodehl> sorry i am using 7.10 basse
[09:48] <cbrodehl> camorama tells me: could not connect to video device /dev/video=
[09:49] <cbrodehl> it's important for me to skype, because an buisnesspartner whants to skype with me...
[09:49] <basse> oki, i just read up on the site that it will feature kde4 as main desktop.. i was wondering if kde3 is dropped all together, or is it possible to still run that on the side..
[09:49] <cbrodehl> please help me!
[09:50] <favro> !webcam
[09:55] <cbrodehl> ok thanks. but in ekiga i gets a picture! so the driver is ok, isn't it?
[09:56] <basse> cbrodehl: and skype version?
[09:57] <cbrodehl> just a moment
[09:57] <cbrodehl> 2.0.0.68
[09:57] <cbrodehl> do i need a newer version?
[09:59] <basse> cbrodehl: no i dont think so, should be ok..
[10:01] <basse> cbrodehl: do you see any test picture?
[10:02] <basse> and what graphics card?
[10:02] <cbrodehl> no this is the problem. i only see a green screen. my graphics card is a nvidia 420 go
[10:03] <basse> videooverlay is on?
[10:03] <cbrodehl> where i could test?
[10:04] <basse> cbrodehl: hmm, try doing "xvinfo"  and what does it say on top lines?
[10:06] <cbrodehl> can i post it anywhere?
[10:07] <basse> cbrodehl: http://pastebin.com/   there for example
[10:07] <heiner> :)
[10:09] <basse> but basicly i was just wondering if this is the same thing that i had once with my sons computer.. it was because of video overlay wasn't turned on. and also camera worked, but skype didn't.. so..
[10:10] <cbrodehl> http://pastebin.com/m787e34d9
[10:11] <basse> cbrodehl: hmm, video texture and video blitter is there..
[10:15] <basse> cbrodehl: i am not familiar with the nvidia 420go..  but i suggest, you check your xorg configuration and see if you find any settings for overlays. thats the only thing i can think of.
[10:16] <cbrodehl> ok thanks i look up in the internet vor viedo overlay
[10:20] <crosipt> kurwa
[10:21] <cbrodehl> i am be back iin two minutes, just start the xserver
[10:23] <tindor> hi guys, I'm using kubuntu 8.10 and noticed that the taskbar is never resized when it should be. It's always just one row. I search and found that this has been fixed in kde 4.0.2, but it's still there
[10:23] <cbrodehl> i am back but in skype ther is no video... only green. in ekiga there is a screen
[10:26] <cbrodehl> hello?
[10:27] <cbrodehl> is someone here or have i a bad internet connection?
[10:28] <bjarne> someone is watching...
[10:29] <cbrodehl> oh super...
[10:30] <cbrodehl> any ideas to the webcam?
[10:41] <cbrodehl> Hallo
[10:41] <cbrodehl> can anyone help me with my webcam
[10:45] <cbrodehl> hello
[10:45] <cbrodehl> nobody here?
[10:46] <geek> cbrodehl: no idea about webcams.
[10:47] <cbrodehl> oh
[10:47] <cbrodehl> ok
[10:47] <cbrodehl> thanks
[11:13] <lubiana> can someone help me with modeswitching my t-mobile web n walk usb stick?
[11:18] <DreadKnight> what do i need for bluetooth in kde4?
[11:29] <lubiana> looks, like this is just an idle channel^^
[11:29] <DreadKnight> yeah
[11:29] <lubiana> maybe i can help you
[11:30] <lubiana> you have an bluethooth device and want to getit running?
[11:33] <Riddell> DreadKnight: bluetooth doesn't work in intrepid
[11:34] <DreadKnight> Riddell: thanks...
[11:47] <cody> Does anyone know if I can setup my keyboard to easily type French special characters? I don't want to change the format of my keyboard, but it would be nice, like in os x, if I could use ALT+e e to make the character é
[11:55] <jussi01> cody: do you ne have an altgr key?
[11:56] <cody> No.
[11:56] <jussi01> also, é can be made easily with pressing ? once then e
[11:56] <cody> ?e
[11:56] <jussi01> or does you keyboard not have ? ?
[11:56] <cody> it is a u.s. keyboard.
[11:56] <cody> it does have ?
[11:56] <jussi01> hrm, I have finnish...
[11:57] <jussi01> no, I typed in the little accent above the e
[11:57] <jussi01> you see it as ? for some reason
[11:57] <cody> yeah...
[11:57] <cody> I'm not sure why
[11:57] <jussi01> do you have a key with the accent by itself?
[11:57] <cody> This is getting really irritating for me because I live in France and I have to write french documents all the time and it is a pain in the butt to have insert special characters all the time.
[11:58] <cody> No, I only have this direcitno `
[11:58] <cody> *direction
[11:58] <jussi01> hrm, I have that on the same key, but with shift...
[11:59] <cody> the shift for me produces ~
[11:59] <jussi01> cody: not sure then, sorry, kind of hard when I dont have a us keyboard
[11:59] <cody> ;-)
[11:59] <cody> Thanks anyway.
[12:01] <||arifaX> Hi, was ist der Unterschied zwischen "B43" und "STA" Wireless Drivern?? Hab seit heute die Option STA im Hardware-Treiber Manager!
[12:06] <geek> !de
[12:15] <||arifaX> I recently upgrade my kernel to latest version "2.6.24-21-generic" now I got the offer to use STA driver instead of B32 for my wirless but activating ([x]) on the STA does nothing. So what can I do, is there already a tutorial out there how to enable/use STA driver for Broadcom Wireless?
[13:10] <DarkTan> I have a Kubuntu install that keep freezing at 33% with the caps lock and scroll lock light flashing, does that mean anything?
[13:11] <cristian> hi
[13:46] <BluesKaj> hiyas
[14:09] <Dragonath> why doesn't my ati radeon 9600 pro give any signal through the dvi port?
[14:10] <Dragonath> is this something that might have something to do with linux?
[14:50] <Phopsy> Hey, I lost all ALSA sound and seem to be unable to get it back. Could someone offer some support please?
[14:54] <cuznt> !alsa
[14:56] <Phopsy> cuznt - thanks, but I'm running 8.04 and aren't seeing Sound System in System Settings. The Sound "tab" doesn't have an "Enable the sound system" option. Thanks.
[15:01] <Phopsy> Actually, I think the problem may be xine related. I get sound in programs made specifically for KDE4 - including system sounds. However, try wine, Amarok, VLC, MPlayer etc and there's no sound whatsoever
[15:01] <cyberdragon> my adebt stops while instaling the upgrades , what is that ?
[15:02] <Freku> maybe you can click on more details ?
[15:03] <cyberdragon> me
[15:03] <Freku> yep
[15:08] <cyberdragon> it's stck on 54 %
[15:08] <cyberdragon> stuck *
[15:09] <Freku> and click on details ?
[15:09] <Freku> maybe a question waiting
[15:12] <cyberdragon> there is no details
[15:16] <Phopsy> Actually, I think the problem may be xine related. I get sound in programs made specifically for KDE4 - including system sounds. However, try wine, Amarok, VLC, MPlayer etc and there's no sound whatsoever
[15:17] <Dragonath> my alt gr button doesn't work :(
[15:17] <Dragonath> and it's not the keyboard's fault
[15:22] <lost_in> hello everyone!
[15:23] <Phopsy> Does anyone know why I'm getting sound only for KDE4 programs?
[15:26] <lost_in> Does anyone try to install Icecast + Liquidsoap?
[15:26] <fyl0n> any know why virtualbox 2.02 won't run any OS after a kernel upgrade?
[15:27] <lost_in> fyl0n, try to reinstall virtualbox
[15:28] <fyl0n> lost_in: I will :)
[15:28] <lost_in> fyl0n, it might help
[15:29] <lost_in> fyl0n, but i'm not sure for 100%
[15:32] <mixed1234> i can no longer shutdown my machine from within gnome, i think this is related to compiz, anybody has a work around to this?
[15:33] <genii> mixed1234: Ask perhaps in #ubuntu this channel is for the kde desktop :)
[15:36] <Phopsy> Is there any reason why I'm getting sound only for KDE4 programs? Anything like Amarok, Wine, VLC or MPlayer refuses to give me sound.
[15:36] <genii> Maybe some pulseaudio vs alsa thing
[15:37] <Phopsy> genii - how might I check that?
[15:38] <genii> Phopsy: No idea. Debugging audio issues is not my area of expertise
[15:38] <Phopsy> genii: Okay, thanks :)
[15:38] <genii> Phopsy: Have you tried one of the audio irc channels?
[15:39] <genii> Both #pulseaudio and #alsa are on this freenode system
[15:40] <Phopsy> Thanks - tried ALSA and know trying pulse
[15:41] <fyl0n> lost_in: well no luck here
[15:41] <fyl0n> some kind of driver isn't compatible with the current one.
[15:43] <fyl0n> if I load the .21 kernel my soundcard is also gone.
[15:43] <fyl0n> I'm going back to .19
[15:44] <zer0o> same to me fyl0n
[15:44] <zer0o> u have to reinstall the drivers at every kernel upgrade
[15:44] <fyl0n> .19 starts virtualbox perfect :)
[15:44] <fyl0n> zer0o which driver?
[15:45] <zer0o> all your drivers
[15:45] <fyl0n> ah oke
[15:45] <fyl0n> yes I know that
[15:45] <fyl0n> but
[15:45] <zer0o> video card, sound card, wireless internet if u have
[15:45] <zer0o> everything
[15:45] <fyl0n> I don't know the exact problem with vb icw .21 kernel
[15:45] <zer0o> the exact problem? what du mean?
[15:46] <lost_in> Have enyone tryed to install Icecast+Liquidsoap?
[15:56] <fyl0n> zer0o: nm I've got no time left today for this prob
[15:56] <fyl0n> tomorrow I will get back on it :)
[15:56] <fyl0n> Thanx for the help anyways! :)
[15:58] <zer0o> np
[16:00] <biagio> salve
[16:00] <biagio> c'è nessuno ?
[16:00] <danielmichel> hi all
[16:00] <danielmichel> im new to linux and kubuntu
[16:01] <genii> !it | biagio
[16:01] <danielmichel> when i click on my ntfs drives in dolphin nothing happens
[16:01] <danielmichel> can anyone help me?
[16:08] <danielmichel> ?
[16:16] <kyrksaeterora> this is interesting
[16:16] <kyrksaeterora> text based irc client
[16:16] <marie> hi
[16:21] <danielmichel> when i click on my ntfs drives in dolphin nothing happens
[16:21] <danielmichel> can anyone help?
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> the first thing to do is to use Windows chkdsk to scan them for errors. The NTFS driver is very picky about duff filesystems.
[16:22] <danielmichel> its ironic cause i just woke up and i have dskchk done while i was asleep
[16:22] <danielmichel> so thats done
[16:22] <SlimeyPete> ah.
[16:23] <danielmichel> and i cleanly shut down windows  too
[16:23] <danielmichel> this is a fresh install o fkubuntu
[16:24] <geek> danielmichel: try mounting it manually
[16:24] <geek> i mean over command line
[16:24] <danielmichel> k
[16:24] <dwidmann> danielmichel: if it fails to mount when you do it manually, run ntfsfix on the partition
[16:26] <danielmichel> how do i run ntfsfix?
[16:26] <geek> danielmichel: any error message when you try to mount it/
[16:26] <geek> ?
[16:27] <dwidmann> danielmichel: ntfsfix /dev/something
[16:27] <danielmichel> im so sorry guys my kid is crying
[16:27] <danielmichel> ill brb
[16:35] <paj> salut tout le monde !
[16:36] <paj> je suis nouveau sur kubuntu et un pote m'a conseiller ce forum pour crier à l'aide en cas de soucis
[16:36] <genii> paj: Anglais ici svp
[16:36] <DarthFrog> !fr | paj
[17:07] <zer0o> hi guys im trying to make an app work with wine but it doesn't, any tip?
[17:07] <genii> !appdb
[17:08] <zer0o> thans
[17:08] <zer0o> i was trying to get into #wine but a bot kicked me out with "invite only" message
[17:08] <genii> zer0o: You might need your name registered on freenode to get into some channels
[17:09] <zer0o> ah ok thx
[17:10] <gokhan_> seLam
[17:10] <mixed1234> anyone knows how to fix the package manager?  I am unable to update and install softwar
[17:10] <gokhan_> hi
[17:10] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: What happens when you try?
[17:11] <t2> hi, i just noticed something called AdeptManger... are we meant to use this instead of synaptic ?   Is it better ?
[17:11] <genii> Does it tell you to insert cdrom or some other thing happens?
[17:11] <mixed1234> !pastebin
[17:11] <DarthFrog> t2: Adept is the KDE version.  Synaptic is the GNOME version.  Use whichever you prefer.
[17:12] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, http://paste.ubuntu.com/60582/
[17:13] <t2> DarthFrog: thanks,  i'll try Adept out for a while then
[17:13] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: try "sudo apt-get -f install" and see what happens.
[17:13] <genii> mixed1234: Did you do first yet     sudo apt-get update               to refresh the lists of packages?
[17:13] <DarthFrog> Yeah, that first. :-)
[17:14] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, tried that already, same thing
[17:15] <mixed1234> genii, same thing when I try to update:  " anyone knows how to fix the package manager?  I am unable to update and install software"
[17:16] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, apparently the package manager is broken, it's a dependency issue
[17:16] <mixed1234> it could be a corrupt file but I'm not familiar trouble shooting the package manager
[17:16] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: Have you tried deleting the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists?
[17:17] <DarthFrog> Or at least that specific file?
[17:17] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, is it safe to delete everything under "/var/lib/apt/lists"???
[17:18] <DarthFrog> First try deleting the specific file that seems corrupt.
[17:18] <DarthFrog> And then run an update.
[17:20] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, I was able to execute a check, let me try an update
[17:20]  * genii hands out another round of coffees
[17:20]  * DarthFrog thanks genii, I need one.
[17:20] <DarthFrog> :-)
[17:20] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, youre a genius!!!  It worked!!!
[17:20]  * cuznt gets out the iv unit and takes the coffee direct
[17:20] <genii> DarthFrog: Anytime
[17:20] <cuznt> danks
[17:20] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: np
[17:20] <genii> cuznt: Hehe, diehard
[17:21] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, thank you master!  do you know of any resources where I can research more about the package manager?
[17:21] <genii> The manpages of dpkg are fairly informative
[17:21] <mixed1234> !dpkg
[17:22] <mixed1234> genii, you mean like "man dpkg"??? I find it difficult to use those because I like to see examples along with pictures and a cookie
[17:23] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: apt is a frontend to dpkg.  dpkg is the actual package manager.
[17:23] <genii> mixed1234: Well, online you might find articles on how dkpg, apt, and the Debian packaging system work, with more pictures
[17:23] <mixed1234> genii, thanks, i will search for thoe resources
[17:23] <DarthFrog> Pictures of a command line? :-)
[17:24] <genii> DarthFrog: Probably advertisements
[17:24] <DarthFrog> For rpm, no doubt. :-)
[17:25] <emilsedgh> mixed1234: then use in konquerror type man:dpkg :D
[17:25] <t2> hi, i'm a bit confused trying to follow ubuntuguide.com... they say they have a server kernel and thus have a different installation method for the proprietary Nvidia drivers... in adept manager on my machine it shows "nvidia-new-kernel-source"... is this the graphic driver ?  why is it called kernel... my previous distro just called it NvidiaOfficialDrivers  ..
[17:26] <DarthFrog> t2: Just use jockey-kde and don't worry about it.
[17:26] <genii> t2: Some NVidia cards require the driver installed, but additionally a kernel which understands the driver
[17:28] <Chaz6> Hi there, I am trying to install the build deps for phonon (apt-get build-dep libphonon4), but I get "E: Unable to find a source package for phonon"
[17:28] <mixed1234> anybody knows how to disable kdm and enable gdm?  After installing KDE and compiz I have been unable to log out from gnome using a GUI
[17:28] <Chaz6> phonon is a meta-package; any ideas what i need to do?
[17:31] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: You might want to consider /etc/X11/default-display-manager.
[17:32] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, ok so just point that to gdm??? where is gdm though??
[17:32] <genii> AFK a while
[17:32] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: Type "which gdm".
[17:32] <mixed1234> it's in sbin, thanks
[17:33] <mixed1234> DarthFrog, its pointing to gdm, now how do I test it?? reboot the machine?
[17:33] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: No.
[17:34] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: You need to do two things.
[17:35] <DarthFrog> 1st: type: "init 1".  That'll kill X and put you back to a black screen, with a login prompt.
[17:35] <mixed1234> ok and then
[17:35] <DarthFrog> login and type "sudo init 2".  The first command needs to be sudo, too.  That sequence will change runlevels to runlevel 1, then back to runlevel 2.
[17:36] <DarthFrog> Save your work before switching runlevels.
[17:36] <mixed1234> DarthFrog,  ok what is the next step?
[17:37] <DarthFrog> 2nd step is the "init 2" command above.
[17:37] <mixed1234> oh? and that's it? "init 2" will bring me back to gui mode?
[17:37] <DarthFrog> Yes.
[17:38] <mixed1234> excellent!  I will try that right now, thank you! brb
[17:48] <khaije1> anyone here using mozilla's weave? j/w
[17:51] <Neremor> hello!
[17:51] <Neremor> I've a problem :)
[17:51] <RurouniJones> !ask
[17:51] <RurouniJones> Fire away
[17:51] <Neremor> I bought a new pci sound card today, and new boxes (5:1) too.
[17:51] <Neremor> the soundcard is made by "Trust".
[17:52] <Neremor> I can change the sound card in the system setting to the new one, but I don't hear sound after I do so...
[17:52] <Neremor> even after a restart of the system I don't have any sound...
[17:52] <Neremor> any ideas what I'm doing wrong?
[17:54] <Neremor> oh, and I'm still using kde 3.5.10
[17:54] <Neremor> and kubuntu 8.04
[17:55] <DexterF> hi
[17:56] <cuznt> !sound
[17:56] <cuznt> !players
[17:59] <eagles0513875> !vpn
[18:07] <vonkleist> !codecs
[18:08] <mrunagi_> !xfce
[18:08] <mrunagi_> can u run xfce in parrallel with gnome or kde?
[18:10] <birnisson> hi, what do I do with a dmg file? I downloaded a snapshot of the arora browser
[18:11] <Chaz6> birnisson: dmg files are for mac osx
[18:11] <Chaz6> You need to grab the rpm file
[18:12] <Neremor> hm, that helped nothing
[18:12] <Chaz6> oh wait, the deb not the rpm
[18:12] <birnisson> Chaz6: I see. Well there's no linux version of what I want then I think. I'll just wait :)
[18:13] <Chaz6> birnisson: http://arora.googlecode.com/files/arora_0.4-0sikon1_i386.deb
[18:13] <Chaz6> That's what you need
[18:14] <birnisson> Chaz6: yeah but I suppose that's with qt 4.4, I wanted to test it out with 4.5. maybe I can compile it, I'll ask in #arora . Thanks for the help though
[18:15] <Chaz6> birnisson: well i'm one of the arora developers so i can help here if you like :)
[18:15] <Chaz6> If you want to use a qt/webkit snapshot you will need to compile your own version
[18:16] <osvaldo> !es
[18:17] <birnisson> hehe great :D ok, so I just need to get the latest qt snapshot and arora as in the beginner's guide and I'll get arora+qt4.5, is that right?
[18:17] <Chaz6> birnisson: yep, it should be pretty straight forward :)
[18:18] <Chaz6> I am working on providing an arora build with the newest qt/webkit, but there are a few changes that need to be made first before it can be built statically
[18:18] <birnisson> sounds good, thanks again. I tested the version with 4.4 by the way, great stuff :)
[18:18] <Chaz6> it results in a rather large binary (~25M)
[18:18] <Chaz6> No worries, if you need more help, just ask in #arora :)
[18:22] <yves_> hello, which packages do I need to get spellchecking working? I use intrepid
[18:22] <Neremor> hm my card is recognized and installed, but it is still not the primary card. now it looks like I have four installed cards, and the first in every list and the one that is displayed by alsamixer as default is my onboard card...
[18:23] <Neremor> how can I change from the onboard to the pci card?
[18:23] <eagles0513875> there is seriously a bug with opera
[18:25] <mixed1234> DarthFrog,  gdm is now restored as default on my distro and I am able to shutdown my machine using a GUI, thank you master!!!!
[18:25] <DarthFrog> mixed1234: You're welcome. :-)
[18:25] <Pici> Neremor: Ise a combination of 'asoundconf list' and 'sudo asoundconf set-default-card CARDNAME' to set your default sound card.
[18:28] <Neremor> thanks!
[18:47] <x_link> Hi
[18:47] <x_link> I have been looking for a while now, but I can't find where the icons are.
[18:47] <x_link> I want to change the K-menu icon.
[18:48] <x_link> Can somebody help me out a bit?
[18:48] <x_link> I would really appreciate it alot.
[18:51] <keyzek> hi i have problem for vi i want move one line up or down how can i make this ?
[18:53] <Chaz6> Anyone any ideas about how to install the build dependancies for libphonon4?
[18:53] <Pici> Chaz6: sudo apt-get build-dep libphonon4   will download and install them
[18:54] <Chaz6> Pici, but the problem is this: "E: Unable to find a source package for phonon"
[18:54] <Chaz6> phonon is a metapackage
[19:00] <Chaz6> Could someone please report it as a bug in 8.10 since i do not wish to create an account to have to do so.
[19:01] <StrixV> Adept Manager problem: Okay, so I've custom compiled a couple things (like vpnc with openssl enabled). Adept keeps "updating" my shit and replacing them with versions that don't work, then I have to recompile again. How the hell can I get it to stop?
[19:03] <Pici> Chaz6: 1) Intrepid issues should be brought to #ubuntu+1, 2) what Arch?
[19:03] <stdin> !pinning | StrixV
[19:03] <StrixV> ubottu: Thanks
[19:03] <StrixV> er... stdin, thanks
[19:05] <stdin> StrixV: there's is also a package called "checkinstall" that will let you create a .deb for whatever you compile, then you can give it a higher version and the package manager will see it
[19:06] <eagles0513875> any opera experts in here
[19:06] <RurouniJones> !ask
[19:06] <Goan> Hi. Is there any utility in kubuntu that I can use to save files as pdf files?
[19:07] <RurouniJones> what kind of files?
[19:07] <eagles0513875> RurouniJones: ty for the reminder not really myself today
[19:07] <deftone> doesn't Kate do that?
[19:07] <RurouniJones> We all slip up, IO got mauled once in #git for asking to ask.
[19:08] <eagles0513875> i was having an issue the other day with opera not loading any webpg due to having ipv6 enabled. it is now blacklisted. but when trying to  to load multiple tabs on opera the bages give me an error.
[19:08] <stdin> you can "print" to PDF
[19:08] <eagles0513875> i already asked in opera channel bout my first problem they told me to disable ipv6
[19:08] <eagles0513875> which is done
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> Which Live CD should I get? I have an Intel Core2Duo
[19:08] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: 32 or 64
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> it's a dual-core 64-bit processor
[19:08] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: i have quad intel and im on 64bit
[19:08] <Colonel_Panic> do I need the AMD version?
[19:09] <webas> hello..how to disable that stuff..then you put your mouse on the bottom line on any program..the bigger little crap appears with title ( example, firefox or all other programs titles ) kde4
[19:09] <stdin> Colonel_Panic: you can use either the 386 or amd64 version
[19:09] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: only reason is i have 8gb of ram and 32bit only recognizes up to 4gb of ram anything more u need 64bit
[19:09] <Colonel_Panic> ok
[19:09] <Colonel_Panic> 64 it is
[19:09] <Colonel_Panic> woot!
[19:09] <eagles0513875> !language | webas
[19:09] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: how muych ram u got
[19:09] <Colonel_Panic> 4 GB
[19:09] <Chaz6> Pici: 1) Okay, I had no idea. As far as I am aware, this was the proper place for kubuntu support (as in the channel topic)
[19:10] <Chaz6> Pici: 2) linux-g++-64
[19:10] <webas> language language, im not insulting anything, nor i can find the right word to express how to name that..em..stuff
[19:10] <Colonel_Panic> with all this power, I could be running Vista
[19:10] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: even with lless then 4gb u can still go 64
[19:10] <Colonel_Panic> (that's a joke)
[19:10] <eagles0513875> webas: u said crap
[19:10] <RurouniJones> !kde4 | webas
[19:10] <Colonel_Panic> CRAP!
[19:10] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: O_o
[19:10] <Colonel_Panic> is CRAP a swear word now?
[19:10] <webas> crap is cute word.. :>
[19:10] <eagles0513875> Colonel_Panic: u registered bro
[19:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[19:11] <eagles0513875> this is ot now lol
[19:11] <webas> i dont use 4.1.2..beta only 4.0 stable version :(
[19:11] <RurouniJones> Unless you have more than 4Gigs of RAM there isn't much point going to 64bit linux
[19:11] <RurouniJones> webas: Try kde4 channel anyway. They the experts
[19:11] <dwidmann> RurouniJones: not necessarily true
[19:12] <osvaldo> Hola a todos!
[19:12] <RurouniJones> Ok, clarification: For a desktop user blah blah blah
[19:12] <RurouniJones> Because you will get more headaches than is worth it
[19:12] <el-gokulo> right :)
[19:12] <dwidmann> RurouniJones: that's funny, what headaches did you have in mind?
[19:13] <el-gokulo> flash
[19:13] <dwidmann> works fine.
[19:13] <RurouniJones> Everything related to flash and firefox
[19:13] <RurouniJones> If you don't mid faffing around installing 32bit firefox etc etc
[19:13] <dwidmann> RurouniJones: you apparently formed this opinion a long time ago?
[19:14] <RurouniJones> I have never read anything that has changed it.
[19:14] <el-gokulo> me neither
[19:14] <RurouniJones> Unless Adobe have released a 64bit flash blob for linux recently
[19:14] <dwidmann> nspluginwrapper
[19:15] <RurouniJones> From what I have heard that is even more faffing around that 32 bit firefox.
[19:15] <RurouniJones> And I would hesitate to recommend it ot a normal user
[19:15] <el-gokulo> he will try it out. will see flash wont work out of the box. there the headaches can start if he isnt experienced
[19:15] <dwidmann> RurouniJones: actually, it's pretty much an auto-setup. Installing the "flashplugin-nonfree" installs that also and voila.
[19:15] <dwidmann> **package
[19:15] <webaska> how to disable kde4 stuff.. because my pc started to freeze very often :(
[19:17] <dwidmann> webaska: which version of kde4?
[19:17] <RurouniJones> I was thinking of stability, I have read that it isn't the greatest. Of course that is a very opinion based metric.
[19:17] <RurouniJones> But anyway.
[19:17] <dwidmann> RurouniJones: A long time ago it wasn't too stable ... seems more or less fine nowadays.
[19:18] <webaska> kde4.0 stable.. it freezes then my mouse is over any program..and some crap appears..i mean stuff..em..in that stuff only bigger icon and title is written.. and its very annoying because i must restart my pc then :D
[19:18] <dwidmann> RurouniJones: flash 10 seems to be a lot more stable than 9 though.
[19:18] <eagles0513875> dwidmann: does 9 work or 10 flash wise
[19:19] <el-gokulo> well flash under linux is really awfull. 32bit or 64bit. its just slow
[19:19] <webaska> and then my mouse is over that bottom line i cant even print screen to show that stuff
[19:19] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: 10 definitely works better.
[19:19] <el-gokulo> webaska, on the login choose kde3
[19:19] <eagles0513875> dwidmann: 9 doesnt even work at least with ff
[19:19] <eagles0513875> it works with opera but rather choppily
[19:20] <webaska> gokulo..its possible? :) okay i will try next time..and the video drivers will be okay? the same?
[19:21] <el-gokulo> should be the same. since xorg loads the video driver and not kde3/4
[19:22] <deftone> how do i install new wallpaper that's not through adept?
[19:23] <webaska> wallpaper? :)
[19:23] <dwidmann> deftone: put it in /usr/share/wallpapers
[19:24] <deftone> thanks
[19:27] <Chaz6> I assume it is a bug, unless that is the expected behavior, but it still doesn't solve the problem
[19:30] <niklauz> anyone know how I can change firefox's temp folder setting?
[19:30] <niklauz> from /tmp to something like ~/.kde/tmp
[19:30] <heiner> about:config
[19:30] <heiner> :D
[19:30] <niklauz> k thx heiner
[19:37] <niklauz> heiner: i haven't been able to find the setting, do you know what i should be looking at in particular?
[19:38] <heiner> niklauz: Wait. I take a lil look
[19:38] <niklauz> ty :)
[19:40] <heiner> Sorry niklauz, i gave you a wrong hint :(.
[19:41] <heiner> Can't find it too ... .
[19:41] <heiner> Hm...
[19:42] <niklauz> o ok, im surprised my google didn't turn up anything, i would think it'sa common request
[19:42] <niklauz> i'll check the faq for ff3 next
[19:42] <RurouniJones> about:config in firefox?
[19:43] <heiner> Let us now any news.
[19:43] <deftone> wow....kubuntu is using just as much ram as Vista ....
[19:45] <deftone> I have a dual boot system with Vista and Kubuntu. 3GB of RAM...what is the recommended swap size with Kubuntu on a 25GB partition?
[19:45] <heiner> 2x RAM i would do.
[19:46] <deftone> 6GB ?
[19:47] <heiner> lol deftone...that's an A+! You solved: 2 * 3 = X ... :D
[19:47] <deftone> lol
[19:47] <deftone> hey just seems like a lot
[19:47] <Chaz6> I wouldn't bother with 2* ram over 2GB
[19:47] <deftone> here's the real question...how do i edit swap size?
[19:48] <deftone> that's what i was thinking Chaz6
[19:48] <heiner> Not over 2 GB?
[19:48] <deftone> i can't imagine ever going over 3GB on anything
[19:48] <Chaz6> Certainly not, even 512MB would be sufficient
[19:49] <deftone> well that's not true Chaz6. Kubuntu on startup is using over 800mb! I thought linux was lighter on resources...at that rate it's just as much as my vista.
[19:50] <Chaz6> deftone: you misunderstand. I mean 512MB swap for 2GB RAM
[19:50] <Chaz6> You certainly do not need 6GB
[19:50] <deftone> oh!
[19:50] <eagles0513875> deftone: how much ram do u have
[19:50] <eagles0513875> i have 8gb but this is more of a server for me and it will need the ram for the amount of stuff ill be hosting
[19:51] <eagles0513875> deftone: compared to vista and xp kubuntu in my eyes is still lighter
[19:51] <heiner_> Depends on KDE Version I think... .
[19:51] <eagles0513875> heiner_: im in love with 4.1.2
[19:51] <eagles0513875> granted it takes some getting used to
[19:52] <eagles0513875> the lay out though of it has been around
[19:52] <heiner_> I just removed 4.1.2 :)
[19:52] <xray7224> i need help with my wireless, i connect and a few seconds later it seems to drop out but without network manager app saying so just i carnt ping and such like.
[19:52] <eagles0513875> open suse turned their version of 3.5 to the layout of kde 4 so they have had the lay out for quite some time
[19:52] <xray7224> hmm maybe i should ask ing ubuntu+1 or kubuntu+1 if there is one
[19:52] <heiner_> For me it's too futuristic.
[19:52] <heiner_> xray7224: There is one :)
[19:53] <deftone> I have 3GB
[19:53] <eagles0513875> heiner_: too macish for me lol
[19:53] <heiner_> :D
[19:53] <eagles0513875> heiner_: lov it none the less
[19:53] <xray7224> thanks :)
[19:53] <eagles0513875> deftone: u planning on upgrading ram or something
[19:54] <deftone> I can't...i can't go past 4Gb on this system so it's kinda pointless
[19:55] <eagles0513875> deftone: fyi if u build a system that has more then 4gb of ram u have to go 64bit
[19:55] <deftone> oh definitly. I would love to do try 64bit.
[19:56] <eagles0513875> deftone: with ur current rig u can still use 64bit
[19:56] <Chaz6> eagles0513875: that is not true; a 32bit os can access memory above 4GB
[19:56] <eagles0513875> Chaz6: WRONBG
[19:56] <eagles0513875> wrong
[19:56] <eagles0513875> 64 bit can
[19:57] <eagles0513875> 64bit can i think handel up to 128gb of ram
[19:57] <eagles0513875> !64bit
[19:57] <eagles0513875> let me google it
[19:57] <Pici> The -server kernel has PAE enabled and thus can access 4gb of ram.  It does not, however, have support for some restricted modules, such as some video card drivers.
[19:58] <deftone> if you're hardware supports 64bit that is
[19:58] <eagles0513875> Pici: isnt the max amnt of ram for 32bit os 4gb and anything more u need 64bit
[19:58] <eagles0513875> deftone: mine does im on hardy 64bit right now
[19:58] <stdin> eagles0513875: 64bit can handle 2**64 addresses
[19:58] <eagles0513875> which is 256 right stdin
[19:59] <Pici> eagles0513875: Unless the kernel you are running supports PAE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension) which allows it to see more than 4gb of ram.
[19:59] <stdin> so ~17 billion gigabytes
[19:59] <deftone> my hardware only supports 64bit vista drivers at the moment so it's kinda pointless for me
[19:59] <SlimeyPete> eagles0513875: erm, he's right actually - there are ways to extend the limit above 4GB, but any single process can only occupy a maximum of 4GB of address-space (IIRC)
[19:59] <eagles0513875> well im on hardy 64bit and it seems like its noticing all 8gb of ram that i have
[19:59] <stdin> eagles0513875: it's 16 exabytes anyway
[19:59] <eagles0513875> wow
[20:00] <eagles0513875> didnt know that stdin
[20:00] <eagles0513875> im sry if im taking this channel off topic
[20:01] <eagles0513875> Pici: does 64bit version come with pae support already
[20:01] <SlimeyPete> you don't need PAE with 64-bit
[20:01] <RurouniJones> you don't need PAE with a 64 bit system.
[20:02] <SlimeyPete> you only need PAE to extend the reach of a 32-bit system
[20:02] <Pici> What they said
[20:02] <eagles0513875> ahhhhhhhh gotcha
[20:02] <RurouniJones> PAE is a hack to get 32bit systems over 4 GB
[20:02] <RurouniJones> ok, hack is a bit unfair, but it isn't...well
[20:02] <Chaz6> eagles0513875: so you see, you /can/ use memory above 4GB with a 32bit OS :o)
[20:02] <RurouniJones> Just not a single process
[20:02] <eagles0513875> Chaz6: my apologies
[20:02] <Chaz6> Exactly :)
[20:02] <Chaz6> No worries
[20:02] <eagles0513875> but why go through that headache when all newer hardware has 64bit and 32 bit compatibility
[20:02] <eagles0513875> y not make ur life easier and upgrade to 64bit
[20:03] <eagles0513875> granted not everyone might have a machien thats both 32 64
[20:04] <deftone> hmm does anyone think I would see a difference with 3GB of RAM using 64bit Kubuntu?
[20:05] <eagles0513875> deftone: i think you would
[20:05] <eagles0513875> your doubling the amount of data thats being processed
[20:05] <deftone> o.k eagles...now you got me curious..lol
[20:05] <deftone> i think i'm gonna try it now...lol
[20:05] <eagles0513875> deftone: want me to pull out what i have been learning in my intro to computing and the internet
[20:05] <deftone> what could it hurt...i'm learning linux so the current install is brand new
[20:05] <eagles0513875> deftone: it wont hurt anything
[20:06] <eagles0513875> i have my old laptop which is 3 yrs old wiht an athlon 64 and 1.25gb of ram and compared to windows its quite fast
[20:06] <deftone> o.k i'm gonna download it right now as we speak...
[20:06] <eagles0513875> deftone: your nic registered
[20:06] <deftone> not sure...how can i see if it is?
[20:07] <eagles0513875> !register | deftone
[20:07] <deftone> oh ya on here it is
[20:07] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: deftone: most processes won't see that much of an advantage and will actually run at about the same speed. Heavy number crunching, rendering, encoding and apps of that sort will see a nice boost though ...
[20:08] <eagles0513875> dwidmann: even on a 2 ghz laptop compared to windows i have noticed a huge difference
[20:08] <gladtr_> Hi all
[20:09] <dwidmann> eagles0513875: hmm, I've been running 64-bit for years ... guess my systems have been too good for me to notice much of a difference outside the aforementioned :\
[20:09] <djdarkman> hello, I accidently made my kopete menu bar dissapear, how can I bring it back?
[20:09] <nickkefi> test
[20:09] <gladtr_> tell me please konversation client IRC have scripting
[20:09] <deftone> are u guys on the beta?
[20:09] <jussi01> djdarkman: ctrl+m iirc
[20:09] <eagles0513875> dwidmann: im on quad 64bit with duel channel memory by thetime this thing is shutting down its coming back up and beofre i know it its at login screen
[20:09] <jussi01> deftone: likely not - try #ubuntu+1
[20:09] <eagles0513875> deftone: i have beta on a virtual machine
[20:09] <eagles0513875> deftone: im on hardy
[20:09] <stdin> excuse me while I burp...
[20:10] <stdin> thanks ;)
[20:10] <jussi01> :)
[20:10] <eagles0513875> stdin: o_o
[20:10] <djdarkman> thanks a lot jussi01
[20:10] <mattik> Hello, I have rare problem in intrepid, wireless works some time and end to working.
[20:10] <eagles0513875> deftone: did u get my pm
[20:10] <jussi01> djdarkman: yw
[20:10] <test> test
[20:11] <eagles0513875> test: hi
[20:11] <jussi01> mattik: #ubuntu+1 please
[20:11] <mattik> ok
[20:11] <deftone> ya i did
[20:11] <deftone> i answered
[20:11] <deftone> lol
[20:11] <test> hi?
[20:11] <keith_> anyone here got an ati card?
[20:11] <gladtr_> anybody listen my question ?
[20:12] <jussi01> !anyone | keith_
[20:12] <gladtr_> tell me please konversation client IRC have scripting
[20:12] <RurouniJones> gladtr_: Not as far as I know
[20:12] <RurouniJones> At lesat not in the mIRC sense of the word
[20:12] <jussi01> gladtr_: yes it does
[20:12] <gladtr_> how
[20:12] <gladtr_> command line or above?
[20:12] <jussi01> you can add sysinfo and other scripts
[20:12] <test> i like kde4
[20:13] <jussi01> gladtr_: tell me what you are trying to aceive?
[20:13] <keith_> I need some help regarding my ATi card, as it is having loads of problems, behaving worse than it did when I had integrated graphics
[20:13] <jussi01> keith_: have you installed the drivers?
[20:13] <gladtr_> aceive - what is it
[20:13] <jussi01> gladtr_: sorry, acheive
[20:14] <jussi01> achieve...
[20:14] <keith_> jussi01: I installed fglrx, from the amd website, envy, and restricted, none worked well
[20:14] <gladtr_> I`m understand
[20:14] <gladtr_> not
[20:14] <gladtr_> nope
[20:14] <keith_> also tried radeonhd drivers, but they didn't work well at all
[20:15] <gladtr_> IMHO ati is not vwery well
[20:15] <gladtr_> *very
[20:15] <jussi01> keith_: yeah, I have a radeon in the lappy, performance in not as good as t could be - ati's fault
[20:15] <test> what doas "IMHO" means?
[20:15] <jussi01> gladtr_: so what are you trying to do with the scripting?
[20:15] <keith_> my main difficulty is with Mythtv ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=6007292 ) and it just failing to work
[20:15] <dwidmann> test: in my honest opinion
[20:15] <keith_> jussi01: surely better than intel though right?
[20:15] <jussi01> test: in my humble opinion
[20:16] <gladtr_> IMHO In My Humble Opinion
[20:16] <gladtr_> jussi01 - right
[20:17] <test> thanx for the explanation
[20:17] <gladtr_> you are welcome
[20:17] <jussi01> keith_: pop into their irc channel, they can probably help you better than us
[20:18] <keith_> jussi01: trust me, they're not. its totally dead in mythbuntu chan
[20:18] <gladtr_>  jussi01 why have question me about achive ?
[20:19] <jussi01> gladtr_: I was wondering why you were asking about scripting, what you were trying to do, so I could help you better.
[20:20] <gladtr_> Ou... thanks.. and I`m very thanksgiving for if you say me whats began
[20:21] <keith_> jussi01: can I see your xorg please?
[20:21] <jussi01> keith_: its completely standard, as well as on my laptop which is downstairs....
[20:22] <keith_> jussi01: perhaps could you advise me how to get the ati control installed and up?
[20:23] <jussi01> keith_: I really havent done anything to mine apart from just install it standard restricted drivers. cant really help sorry
[20:26] <gladtr_> jussi01: are you help me with script for IRC
[20:26] <gladtr_> ?
[20:26] <jussi01> gladtr_: what are you trying to script?
[20:27] <gladtr_> whats began
[20:27] <gladtr_> ?
[20:28] <gladtr_> I`m try script for registration my nick on channel
[20:28] <eagles0513875> gladtr_: no need there is a built in function in konversation
[20:28] <jussi01> gladtr_: as eagles said...
[20:28] <eagles0513875> !autoidentify | gladtr_
[20:28] <eagles0513875> !identify | gladtr_
[20:29] <jussi01> gladtr_: just put your pasword as the server password
[20:29] <gladtr_> ok jussi01
[20:31] <gladtr_> eagles0513875 it not script its feature on IRC server or I`m wrong?
[20:31] <eagles0513875> gladtr_: i think ur wron then again i could be wrong
[20:31] <eagles0513875> gladtr_: are you trying to setup your own irc channel or auto identify yourself in this one
[20:31] <eagles0513875> hey bascule
[20:32] <gladtr_> ok I`m try it
[20:32] <eagles0513875> ok
[20:34] <bascule> hi eagles0513875
[20:34] <eagles0513875> bascule: how r ya
[20:35] <bascule> ok thinks
[20:35] <bascule> thanks as well :)
[20:43] <gladtr_> eagles0513875 I`m not find !autoidentify
[20:43] <eagles0513875> !identify | gladtr_
[20:44] <gladtr_> it`s right and it`s me use
[20:44] <gladtr_> ))
[20:45] <eagles0513875> gladtr_: no prob
[20:47] <the_darkside_986> How does one install restricted nvidia drivers in Kubuntu 8.10 beta?
[20:47] <tMish> Why there is  no kpdf in intrepid ?
[20:50] <eagles0513875> tMish: try in #ubuntu+1 for intrepid support
[20:50] <giolatalpa> ciao a tutti
[20:50] <Pici> !it | giolatalpa
[20:50] <giolatalpa> qualche ragazzo italiano?
[20:51] <giolatalpa> sorry
[20:58] <Mixed432> http://paste.ubuntu.com/60662/
[21:02] <kexman> hellooo
[21:03] <kexman> could anyone help me with kubuntu ?
[21:03] <kexman> i installed it yesterday to a friend of mine
[21:03] <kexman> i never used kubuntu :)
[21:03] <kexman> but i installed it
[21:03] <kexman> could you tell me what he needs to do in order to get mp3 support avi mpeg and flash + mozilla ?
[21:03] <kexman> those are the key elements missing :)
[21:03] <kexman> also konqueror wont give me back webpages
[21:04] <jussi01> kexman: install the package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:04] <kexman> but telnet webpage.com 80 gives me back info and i can ssh out of the box ... so net is working , so is name resolution
[21:04] <kexman> jussi01: i dont know how to
[21:04] <kexman> i did this
[21:04] <kexman> started up a shell
[21:04] <jussi01> kexman: and install firefox
[21:04] <kexman> sudo -i
[21:04] <kexman> then did aptitude
[21:04] <kexman> then pressed u ... update
[21:04] <kexman> and i then left :)
[21:05] <jussi01> kexman: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras firefox
[21:05] <kexman> my friends is not a scientist in linux nor computers
[21:05] <kexman> but i want to help him
[21:05] <jussi01> tell him to do that command
[21:05] <kexman> so i am installing and redoing the setup in a virtualbox under gentoo :)
[21:05] <kexman> jussi01: what did i do by pressing u in aptitude
[21:05] <kexman> it started downloading something and then some adept batch installer or something appeared on screen
[21:05] <kexman> downloading
[21:06] <kexman> and some icon in the tray telling me that there are 156 updates
[21:06] <jussi01> kexman: I dont know about aptitude, I dont use it. get him to run that comand and iit should work
[21:06] <kexman> jussi01: okay
[21:06] <kexman> ill do it myself
[21:06] <kexman> installing in virtualbox as we speak
[21:07] <kexman> jussi01: is there any way to install those kubuntu-restricted-extras and firefox off the cd-rom that i installed ?
[21:07] <kexman> aaa shit but i took that cd with me :)
[21:07] <kexman> never mind :)
[21:07] <kexman> but is there any option to do that ?
[21:07] <kexman> he has very slow internet
[21:07] <jussi01> !enter | kexman
[21:11] <kexman> uff
[21:11] <kexman> jussi01: did you read what i wrote ?
[21:13] <sessoporcello> ciao
[21:14] <kexman> hmm my kubuntu installation is stalled at Loading additional components ... retrieving ipv6-modules-2.6.24-19-generic-di
[21:14] <kexman> wtf ?
[21:14] <kexman> i am installing into VirtualBox
[21:14] <kexman> and top reports vbox running at 100% cpu
[21:14] <kexman> uff
[21:14] <kexman> loop ?
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[21:15] <kexman> could i use noapic or noacpi ?
[21:15] <kexman> or something lik ethat ?
[21:15] <istihza> stop spamming
[21:15] <kexman> what would help me ?
[21:15] <kexman> pfff
[21:15] <kexman> wtf man i just write quick , channel is quiet anyway
[21:15] <kexman> who am i interrupting ?
[21:15] <kexman> sorry
[21:17] <trappist> kexman: just don't use the enter key as punctuation
[21:17] <kexman> okay
[21:17] <trappist> you're allowed to put several words on a line ;)
[21:17] <kexman> ookay :)
[21:17] <kexman> rebooted the machine
[21:18] <kexman> the problem i think it was that i enabled some PAE/NX feature of virtualbox
[21:24] <GaMbi_DK> Hi guys.. anyone who can tell me how I can have my NTFS drive auto mounted? I can rw with no problems when I manual mount.. but id like it to be mounted on startup.. fstab:"/dev/sad2    /media/Stash    auto [what to put here]" ?
[21:25] <CHaiNS> can anybody point me to how to install the newest kde4 in ubuntu 8.10 please?? thanks...
[21:29] <Tm_T> CHaiNS: just upgrade as usual
[21:30] <Riddell> CHaiNS: 8.10 comes with the newest KDE 4
[21:30]  * Tm_T huggles Riddell 
[21:31] <CHaiNS> just had to find the command...thanks all
[21:37] <kexman> installing the base system
[21:37] <kexman> unpacking required packages 34% stopped
[21:37] <kexman> how can i know if my system is frozen or installing ?
[21:37] <kexman> its doing nothing ?
[21:39] <belorix> !themes
[21:41] <Guest64182> anybody here know anything about samba servers?
[21:44] <kexman> jussi01: still here
[21:44] <jussi01> kinda...
[21:44] <kexman> friend telling me over kopete (yahoo) (which works) that command gave him back this : Couldn't find package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[21:46] <kexman> jussi01: what does that mean ?
[21:47] <bentob0x> how do you install that cube thing on kde4?
[21:48] <jussi01> kexman: means his multiverse repository is not enabled
[21:48] <jussi01> bentob0x: #kubuntu-kde4 please
[21:48] <bentob0x> sorry
[21:48] <kexman> jussi01: and how would he enable it ?
[21:49] <jussi01> kexman: open kmenu, system, adept, tehn adept menu, manage repositories, click all the check boxes
[21:50] <hmed> ok
[21:50] <kexman> uhh
[21:50] <jussi01> then he can search for and install firefox and kubuntu-restricted-extras from that program
[21:51] <kexman> if i just could get kubutntu to install into virtualbox
[21:52] <Dillizar> how is the 8.10 going? is it done?
[21:54] <kexman> jussi01: after checking all those checkboxes
[21:54] <kexman> he can just use the cli install too right ?
[21:57] <blip-> Dillizar:  it's not compiling for some reason ;)
[21:57] <Dillizar> hmm is it working
[22:01] <kexman> damn it
[22:01] <kexman> what happens if i press alt+tab ?
[22:01] <kexman> in the installation
[22:01] <kexman> it stops
[22:01] <kexman> damn it
[22:01] <kexman> the image stopps the installer
[22:02] <kexman> how could i restart it or get back to menu ?
[22:02] <comedit> kexman I am running kubuntu in virtualbox what is the problem
[22:02] <kexman> from any place
[22:02] <kexman> comedit: i noticed that i press alt+tab :)
[22:02] <kexman> while inside the installer of kubuntu
[22:02] <kexman> could you tell me how you set up your vbox settings and how is kuntu working with vbox ? :)
[22:03] <comedit> I have my host kubuntu 64 and setup a kubuntu-32 in vbox as my working desktop
[22:03] <comedit> I have to think back
[22:04] <comedit> make sure you download the puel version
[22:04] <kexman> puel version ?
[22:04] <comedit> not the os because of usb compatibility i believe
[22:05] <cryingtux> hello
[22:05] <cryingtux> just one quick question
[22:05] <comedit> kubuntu has the opensource version on the website of virtual box there is the personal usage evaluation version  puel
[22:05] <comedit> install that version
[22:05] <cryingtux> can we get/install kde 3.5.10 series on kubuntu 8.10 when it is released or will it only support kde 4?
[22:06] <comedit> once installed you will find some small issues with (u)buntu
[22:07] <eagles0513875> !phpbb
[22:07] <comedit> the are described in the the for me price winning manual but in this case a bit to superficial
[22:07] <cryingtux> comedit: do you know anything about what i asked about?
[22:07] <eagles0513875> !info phpbb2
[22:08] <comedit> crying no
[22:08] <eagles0513875> does anyone know of a how to for hardy to setup phpbb
[22:08] <eagles0513875> !phpbb2
[22:08] <eagles0513875> !webforums
[22:09] <cryingtux> can we get/install kde 3.5.10 series on kubuntu 8.10 when it is released or will it only support kde 4?
[22:09] <comedit> basicaly you need to alter something here and there, also described in the forums of ubuntu
[22:09] <comedit> sorry helpfiles
[22:09] <kexman> comedit: well i just cant seem to be able to install kubuntu in vbox
[22:09] <kexman> but ill keep trying
[22:09] <comedit> running windows ?
[22:10] <cryingtux> i would neither want kde 4 nor hardy
[22:10] <cryingtux> so either i wanna get kde 3 on 8.10 or go back to 7.10
[22:10] <comedit> kexman what OS is virtualbox on
[22:10] <cryingtux> i dont know which would be wise choice
[22:11] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: y not 8.04
[22:11] <cryingtux> eagles0513875: 8.04 has some weird issue with my nvidia geforce graphic vard
[22:12] <cryingtux> once i install nvidia driver everything is messed up
[22:12] <comedit> kexman I need to go in a sec good luck
[22:12] <cryingtux> this is a bug and i did report it here
[22:12] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: this a mobile video card on a laptop
[22:13] <cryingtux> eagles0513875: so can i get kde 3 on 8.10? do you have any info regards that?
[22:13] <kexman> comedit: its installing now
[22:13] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: ask in #ubuntu+1 thats intrepid support
[22:13] <cryingtux> thanks
[22:13] <eagles0513875> no prob
[22:13] <cryingtux> that would be more appropriate
[22:14] <eagles0513875> does anyone know of a how to for hardy to setup phpbb
[22:15] <pgib> I currently have firefox 3.0 installed. Is there a way to install firefox-2.x as well?
[22:17] <cryingtux> eagles0513875: one more question pls, do we have a minicd /net install available in ubuntu?
[22:18] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: what u mean
[22:18] <vonkleist> pgib, what version of kubuntu are you using?
[22:18] <cryingtux> mini ubuntu cd with which you can custom install your system
[22:19] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: live cd
[22:19] <pgib> vonkleist: I don't know..
[22:20] <cryingtux> eagles0513875: livecd is full cd, there are mini cds also for some distros, only around 200-300mb
[22:20] <pgib> 8.0.4 LTS I guess
[22:20] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: i dunno ask in +1 as well they might help there
[22:21] <cryingtux> eagles0513875: thanks, they are busy, i will try looking google
[22:21] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: www.google.com/linux
[22:21] <cryingtux> eagles0513875: thanks
[22:21] <eagles0513875> cryingtux: no prob
[22:23] <vonkleist> pgib, http://mybrainrunslinux.com/node/17
[22:26] <shelby_> hello guys.  when I create a NFS root installation of intrepid with 2.6.27-7-generic the initscripts look for a file named nfS in the initrd, however, the script is actually "nfs"  .  if I link nfs to nfS, and repack the initrd, it works flawlessly
[22:26] <shelby_> to whom do i report it?
[22:26] <pgib> vonkleist: thanks I'll try that
[22:27] <vonkleist> shelby_, I think launchpad is for doing that
[22:28] <shelby_> never reported a bug in my life.  i will try hitting up launchpad.  thanks :)
[22:31] <blip-> hi all,  i'm getting no sound at all with kubuntu 8.04 on a Dell XPS M1530. i turned the sound to Max, but don't hear anything through Amarok or through the TestSound button in the KDE Control Center
[22:32] <blip-> any ideas what i can try to fix this ?   (restarting the sound system didn't help)
[22:32] <vonkleist> blip-, open konsole and run alsamixer
[22:32] <vonkleist> check that every level is set to normal AND not muted
[22:33] <fadey> Hi, everyone. I've just upgraded to Intrepid-beta. It has kde4 by default. Is it still worth keeping ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/ in /etc/apt/source.list?
[22:34] <blip-> vonkleist: that did it.  the surround channels were muted.  thanks :)
[22:35] <vonkleist> blip-, welcome
[22:36] <blip-> one more sound related question please,  i noticed the KDE control center has a setting for Full Duplex.   it's off by default... shouldn't it be on for me ?  the laptop has Creative Audigy Software Edition Sound card (whatever software-edition means :/ )
[22:40] <vonkleist> blip-, I don't know about that card, but "Software Edition" sounds to me more like a windows-software-only-features card...
[22:44] <blip-> vonkleist: hmmm,  you're right it, it came with a software CD which installed some creative garbage on Vista.   what a waste of $25 when i run linux...
[22:44] <blip-> the idea is just hilarious.   software based hardware.  like those winmodems...  cheap stuff
[22:45] <janrof> hi
[22:45] <janrof> any helpme whit ipcop?
[22:45] <vonkleist> janrof, may be on #ipcop ? :P
[22:45] <kexman> damn it
[22:46] <janrof> tanks
[22:46] <kexman> konqueror wont work until KDE doesnt sees eth0 in action
[22:46] <kexman> i have ppp0 set up another way
[22:46] <kexman> manually
[22:46] <kexman> not from the K menus and such
[22:57] <mot_> question
[22:57] <mot_> i just bought a 500gb 2.5" wd passport external drive
[22:57] <mot_> it came pre-formatted as fat32
[22:57] <mot_> is there any specific reason besides the 4gb file cap for converting it to ntfs?
[22:58] <mot_> i pretty much exclusively use kubuntu and only boot into windows once every 3-4 months for a couple minutes
[22:58] <stdin> why not format it as ext3? there's even a windows driver to read it
[23:00] <mot_> stdin because then any time i hook it up to a windows machine i'll have to install the proper driver to utilize it
[23:00] <befani> join #kubuntu-kde4
[23:01] <mot_> befani, what?
[23:01] <stdin> ntfs has a (slightly) better fragmentation algorithm, but other than the 4GB file support, it's mostly the same
[23:02] <vonkleist> that and the acl thing...
[23:02] <vonkleist> which you won't be using on linux, anyway...
[23:02] <vonkleist> :P
[23:03] <kexman> could anyone help me with PPP dialup ?
[23:03] <kexman> i have a huawei E220 modem
[23:03] <kexman> that works with linux
[23:04] <kexman> i have set up a script and using pon E220 to make it work
[23:04] <kexman> and works wonderfull
[23:04] <kexman> but konqueror refuses to work with it
[23:04] <befani> sorry just gettin the hang of the whole irc thing :)
[23:05] <kexman> not using kde networkmanager
[23:34] <smart> helloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[23:35] <dwidmann> hi
[23:35] <smart> i'm new in linux and i need to ask about some things
[23:36] <genii> Ask away
[23:37] <smart> how can i use the programs with ext <tar.gz and bin>>
[23:37] <bbuss> tar.gz is like .zip ou .rar...
[23:37] <smart> ok how to use thim i can uncompress but i need to set up or use it like normal
[23:38] <bbuss> you may user tar in command line... or Ark (a graphical application) to uncompress them
[23:38] <dwidmann> smart: most software supplied as a .tar.gz needs to be compiled first
[23:38] <genii> smart: If you are trying to install some program, look first to the package manager instead of tar.gz files
[23:38] <smart> hm,
[23:38] <smart> it's good information thanks all
[23:39] <smart> i will try again
[23:39] <smart> thanks so muc
[23:39] <smart> much*
[23:54] <abelardo> hi
[23:55] <administrator> hello all
[23:55] <abelardo> can anyone tell me if i can run compatible windows live messenger in kubuntu, i'm new in this environment
[23:56] <administrator> ive just downloaded a file and want to instal it, its a .Bin File can someone tell me how to install??? thanks
[23:56] <genii> abelardo: Mostly there is Pidgen or Kopete, which do many different protocols including the MSN one
[23:56] <abelardo> i-ve tried kopete and didn't work
[23:56] <genii> administrator: Did you look first in Add/Remove programs to see if the application you wanted to install was there already?
[23:56] <abelardo> it shows an error message
[23:57] <abelardo> i'll try pidgen then, thanks
[23:57] <administrator> yes but its not in repos
[23:58] <genii> abelardo: I think it may be spelt Pidgin
[23:58] <administrator> its app from kde-apps
[23:58] <abelardo> ok
[23:58] <abelardo> i'll try to find it that way
[23:58] <abelardo> thanks a lot
[23:59] <vonkleist> you can try amsn also
[23:59] <genii> administrator: chmod +x filename.bin             ./filename.bin