[00:01] el-gokulo: it's not a photo editor it's an image editor and it's pretty much like gimp, actually it's worst... [00:06] hi all [00:07] Hello [00:07] hi genii [00:08] gometh: You have some question regarding Kubuntu? [00:08] i am trying to install something in ubuntu.... but its not working... [00:09] i installed kubuntu.... but it stops in between & restart the lappy again :( [00:09] gometh: You are installing it from the package manager like Adept or Synaptic, or some other way? [00:09] i have a kubuntu CD [00:10] what is your lappy info? [00:10] gometh: So you are trying to install Kubuntu from inside of regular Ubuntu? [00:10] woah.... i never thought of thAT [00:10] The usual method is to install the package kubuntu-desktop [00:13] i am able to use online live CD genii :( [00:13] cuznt trying this from last one week...... === maxbaldwin is now known as maxbaldwinn === maxbaldwinn is now known as maxbaldwin [00:19] gometh: Either: try to start in VGA mode or: possibly use the Alternate install CD (text install only) === kurumin is now known as tickleme_eddie [00:39] where could i get cmd list for Konsole [00:40] Thats sort of a trick question [00:40] (and then he leaves) [00:41] i am here... wait for a answer..... genii :D [00:41] gometh: Either: try to start in VGA mode or: possibly use the Alternate install CD (text install only) [00:41] As per what I said a while ago now [00:41] its not even installing completely.... so how i can start the VGA....????????? [00:42] its just stops while chking all the components.... & then it gets restarted.... [00:42] gometh: When you boot to the cd it has a menu before it begins booting. From there to choose the VGA option [00:42] i this its not supporting my wireless with the kbuntu [00:43] i think u are asking me to start it with the live Cd [00:43] Yes [00:43] Since thats normally how you install [00:44] i can run that... only but i will be happy if it gets installed === gometh is now known as gomi [00:48] Hi everyone! I'm desperately seeking an answer to a question of mine and have been googling it forever. Then I found this place and I hope that someone knows AND wants to help me. I was wondering how to make my panel/kicker transparent in kde 3.5 I've already set it to transparent and removed all shadows I could find. Still it seems like there's a border/shadow/line down at the kicker. It clearly shows where the kicker starts. I know [00:48] that I somehow should be able to remove this. For example when window decorations crashes then the kicker looks exactly like I want it to look. However I need the decorations to be able to close/minimize/maximize windows... [00:50] * genii sips his coffee [00:56] noone knows huh? [01:02] Hi, im on Kubuntu and how can i get my sound to work with Kopete [01:03] good lord [01:03] why is kubuntu basic installation so minimalistic [01:03] ? [01:04] what i would need : ppp to work with konqueror [01:04] kopete works fine [01:04] but konqueror wont gimme any pages back [01:04] altough internet is up an running well [01:04] i start it with 'pon E220' (huawei) [01:04] poff E220 [01:04] that is how i turn it off [01:05] ifconfig shows me a ppp interface [01:05] Hi, how can i get my sound to work with Kopete? [01:06] !sound [01:06] If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3 [01:06] !MP3 [01:06] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [01:06] umm friends dont let friends download mp3's [01:06] heh ? [01:08] Or drive drunk :) [01:09] lol [01:10] cuznt: ironically though, i prefer mp3s over say aac or ogg simply cause they tend to be more compatable [01:10] I like ogg [01:10] and i ripped most of mine myself [01:10] if i needed to use a FOSS format i'd go for flac ;p [01:10] aac is what i need for my ipod int it>? [01:11] i use flac mostly... now if somneone would invent a flac player for my car [01:11] you can use mp3s on anything. AAC (and varients) is what the ipod uses [01:11] when I try to run adept I get this message: [01:11] Another process is using the packaging system database (probably some other Adept application or apt-get or aptitude). [01:11] Would you like to attempt to resolve this problem? No will enter read-only mode and Cancel to quit and resolve this issue yourself. [01:11] cuznt: flac for archiving, then trancode for what you can use ;p [01:11] look up rockbox [01:12] kr [01:12] how can I fix this? [01:12] spawn57: not always an option ;p [01:12] it should let to you play oggs without a problem, not sure about flac [01:12] geek: true, but it at least you have some [01:12] kr0n05931: Follow what you read. Do you have something else running using the package manager? [01:12] no [01:12] I just rebooted [01:13] adept had crashed half way through installing java [01:13] Probably the updater [01:13] and now this happened [01:13] the updater says the same thing [01:13] !aptfix [01:13] If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a » [01:13] Try that then [01:13] ok [01:13] what does fuser do? [01:14] thank you :) [01:18] !bluetooth [01:18] For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup [01:19] Basically bluez [01:21] spawn57: granted if rockbox ran on my classic 1st generation i would. the default firmware is somewhat unreliable [01:21] bummer [01:26] hey hey hey [01:27] * genii hands kyrksaeterora a Molson's [01:27] * kyrksaeterora takes the Molson's [01:27] cheers [01:28] alright so I got kubuntu all set up for wireless, got KDE4.1.2 installed and it still worked with knetworkmanager for like the first three times it booted into kde4, now it doesn't work with knetworkmanager. won't load right [01:28] is there a knetworkmanager-4? [01:37] nevermind, I'm a dolt [01:37] hi [01:38] finally !!!!!!!!! [01:38] * sniggz just got linux installed. [01:38] congrats! [01:38] im reading a hacking book, called maximum security. [01:38] Congrats [01:38] I did my first install monday last week [01:38] it says to install linux :) [01:38] its easier to hack things that have minimum security [01:38] just a tip [01:38] so how do i hack shit. [01:38] yeah [01:38] help... I tried to install the proprietary ATi driver from their website yesterday (I *NEEDED* CCC), but it bugged out my X config, and now my machine wont boot into kdm. I tried using dpkg-reconfigure, but it never asks me about display config(!?) [01:38] i want to fuck shit up. [01:39] ( sniggz ): what install of linux do you have [01:39] !language [01:39] Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly. [01:39] you want one with a lot of penetrative tools [01:39] snicker [01:39] hacking isn't like 1. Install linux 2. ??? 3. pro [01:39] it's like [01:40] 1. install linux, 2. learn a hell of a lot 3. use it a hell of a lot, 4. pro [01:40] More or less [01:40] i want to send a forged email to my high schools windoze admin, forged as the principal asking to fix her printer for sexual favors. [01:40] sniggz: We can't assist you with that here [01:40] damn [01:41] you need to learn how to connect to mail severs but good luck getting people here to help you [01:41] you want one with a lot of penetrative tools [01:41] gmail has an smtp server [01:41] heh you said penetrative [01:41] hehe [01:41] penetrative tools [01:41] lets pretend i wanted to send a "nice" email. but hide or "change" the from: [01:41] that's a fancy word for "penis" [01:41] !psag [01:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about psag [01:41] is smtp the kind of server im looking for ? [01:41] sniggs: see above [01:42] net [01:42] neat [01:42] you need to get the right server, get a legit login, know commands and be pretty well versed in command line/ssh/whatever to do that [01:42] a combo of gmail freeload'n and tor == FUN FUN [01:42] for instance I can actually pull that off but I am not going to tell you how [01:42] sniggz: in other words, keep reading. [01:42] this channel is more "hay my OS ain't werkin'" and less "lets hack" [01:43] uhhh.... but the hacking book says people who run linux like to play quake 4 and fuck shit up on the computer. [01:43] you have so much to learn [01:43] go read more [01:43] you won't find help here [01:43] soz [01:44] sniggz: what friggin book are you 'reading'? [01:44] ign0ramus: he can't respond [01:44] so best to stop talking to them [01:44] sniggz: Please, this is your second warning on language [01:44] stdin: probably for the best ;) [01:44] * genii hands stdin a coffee [01:45] !guidelines > sniggz [01:45] sniggz, please see my private message [01:45] i just feel like i'm missing out, because i run linux, and i don't play quake 4 or f*** s*** up... :( [01:45] haha [01:45] i don't play quake or mess stuff up either [01:45] yay stereotypes [01:45] :) [01:45] I wonder if the book also says we live in our parents' basements [01:45] heh [01:46] kyrksaeterora: people still try to use the 'command line' argument against linux [01:46] lawl [01:46] kyrksaeterora: i don't think they've tried a distro in the last 3 years (if ever) [01:46] I installed linux last week and with the exception of ndiswrapper for my crappy wireless card I would have needed no command line [01:47] kyrksaeterora: broadcom? [01:47] airlink101 [01:47] and even then I typed in like four lines I needed [01:47] so [01:47] most of the stuff I got from .deb files [01:47] aha... wonder if the new kernel will natively support it [01:47] what, intrepid supporting mrv8k cards? [01:47] i hope [01:47] kyrksaeterora: yeah, it's not that difficult, but i'd really like to be able to give a Kubuntu CD to someone, and know that everything'll 'just work' [01:48] for sure. I've actually offered to install and update to kde4 for a bunch of my friends [01:48] shown them my laptop [01:48] and they were like "woah kde4 looks better than vista or osx and it's all free" [01:49] kyrksaeterora: that's another thing... people don't give much credence to something that's free [01:49] kyrksaeterora: "how good could it be? they're *giving* it away!" [01:49] yeah. I'll admit I'm a pretty adamant windows geek [01:49] but [01:50] I saw KDE4 on one of the school computers [01:50] and I was like [01:50] "want that" [01:50] I did a dual boot on my laptop and I haven't even booted to winxp yet [01:50] brb [01:50] kyrksaeterora: i have my gripes about it, but you have to admit Plasma is pretty visually stunning [01:50] !enter | kyrksaeterora [01:50] kyrksaeterora: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation! [01:52] does anyone know how to stop ksystraycmd from docking apps? I've read the man pages, but i didn't see anything specifically relating to *not* dock an app... In this case I am talking about Firefox [01:52] it is stunning [01:53] too bad it crashed in minites on my pc [01:53] if my laptop was better (it's four years old) it'd be better beause it lags a little bit but it is visually astonishing [01:53] cuznt: have you tried 4.1.2? [01:53] i tried 4.0 [01:54] cuznt: *major* differences in stability [01:54] The more i use kde4.. the more i find myself going back to gnome.. :( perhaps in a few months after kde4 matures a bit. [01:54] im scared [01:54] heh [01:54] cuznt: still not 3.5.x stable, but much moreso than 4.0 [01:54] yeah, I've had no issues with kde4.1.2 [01:54] dr_willis: but you still have love for kde3.5.x, right? :) [01:54] ah did you both have plasma probs? [01:54] afk [01:55] cuznt: only once in a while, and only with certain plasmoids [01:55] ign0ramus, testing out gnome on 8.10 at the moment.. i also got kde4 on 8.10 - its better.. but still has issues on my laptop [01:55] cuznt: the basic ones that are enabled by default seem to be pretty bug-free [01:56] * genii hands dr_willis a coffee [01:56] in some ways i think plasma 'is' the problem.. but again.. i will give it a few months [01:56] dr_willis: maybe i'm getting old, but I like having my icons on the desktop that I can arrange... I don't like the Folder view plasmoid thing so much [01:56] Ive noticed the gnome in 8.10 is going 'icon clear desktop' way also... [01:57] I get sick at people that have 1000+ icons on their desktop. :) [01:57] dr_willis: i will only ever have two columns of icons, but I like having them [01:57] dr_willis: kde4 forces me to use a dock, which i still don't like that much [01:58] In some ways i wish gnome and other wm;s had more of a 'dock' to keep icons in. [01:59] i like mine to stay on the sided in 2 colums [01:59] left side for places, right side for apps [01:59] dr_willis: i'm sure there are plenty of docks for gnome, right? [01:59] ign0ramus, their idea of a 'dock' seems to be OS-X clones [01:59] ugh :/ [02:00] I just want my icons to stay at the sides.. like how the old windowmaker warf did. [02:00] at least with kde4 stuff it lets me do that. [02:00] every new mockup i've seen just makes the OS look like Vista or OS X [02:00] hopefully they just stay 'mockups' ;) [02:01] I get sick at people that have 1000+ icons on their desktop. :) [02:01] exactly [02:01] a bit slow i am today [02:02] cuznt: Katapult is very underrated... I don't think a lot of people even know about it [02:03] i see it try to come up but i have never made it do anything more than flash [02:03] cuznt: once it's popped up, just begin typing the name of the app [02:04] i make it pop up by space + alt? [02:04] yup [02:04] then type like 'kopete' or whatever, press enter, and there you go... no need for icons at all! [02:06] wow [02:06] i am amazed [02:06] that rocks man [02:06] vista has some similer apps you can get.. the vista 'menu' sort of works that way.. but not as well. :) [02:06] thanks [02:06] cuznt: it's actually useful! It's easier to type than alt+f2, imho [02:06] I agree Katapult is overlooked.. [02:07] theres some gnomish katapult also i recall [02:07] called gnome-do [02:07] gnome-do, i think [02:07] now i just need to learn to 1st spell and then type [02:08] dr_willis: do you know if there's an ubuntu repo specifically for kernels? [02:09] There was a ppa kernel repo or 2 i think [02:09] dr_willis: launchpad? [02:09] yea i think thats the same place.. [02:09] im not sure how they all interrelate [02:10] dr_willis: good call! https://launchpad.net/~kernel-ppa/+archive [02:10] there may be more then 1 [02:12] ^ that one is from Ubuntu Kernel Team Daily Build PPA... seems pretty legit [02:13] can i version upgrade to 4.1.2 with apt? [02:13] cuznt: yeah, hang on... [02:14] cuznt: see here --> http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kde-4.1.2 [02:14] i can do it with synaptic too i guess [02:14] cuznt: yeah, but you have to have the right repos [02:15] cuznt: any frontend for APT will work [02:15] deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu hardy main === kde-devel is now known as NamShub [02:17] sweet... downloading 2.6.27-5 [02:20] whoa- when did kubuntu start reminding you that you need to reboot (after installing a kernel)? I never saw that before... [02:20] what do you do for install beryl on my kurumin ng version 8.06 ??? [02:20] Thats been a feature for a while ign0ramus [02:21] !compiz | gui [02:21] gui: Kubuntu is not shipping with compiz installed or enabled by default. You can still install it and have your eyecandy goodness from KMenu -> System -> Desktop Effects - further help in #compiz-fusion [02:21] dr_willis: i'm very observant, as you can see ;) [02:21] beryl is dead. - iots now compiz-fusion [02:21] dr_willis: do i have to update grub, or will it automatically configure? [02:22] where is the KMenu?? plz [02:22] well, updated it anyway... brb. wish me luck that the new kernel won't fry my eeprom [02:29] 4.1.2 being sucked into my hd as i type [02:29] Hm [02:29] hola [02:30] !es | Guest15839 [02:30] Guest15839: En la mayoría de canales Ubuntu se comunica en inglés. Para ayuda en Español, por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es o #kubuntu-es. [02:30] graxxxxx genni === Guest15839 is now known as Ades [02:51] * genii sips [02:51] hey guys, hwo do i install themes iver tried to but they dont seem tow ork [02:52] !themes [02:52] Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy [02:54] hi, what's the least I need to install in order to see the name of a japanese program? [02:57] hi everyone!!!!!!! [02:57] * cuznt check his everyone [02:57] Wow, so many exclamation points :) [02:57] can somebody tell me how to install a theme im used to gnome new to kubuntu and i cant figure anything out [02:57] * Alan_M gets hit by a flying ! [02:58] belorix: thats a good one, i wanna know how myself, i think you have to compile them somehow? [02:58] * Alan_M saw that on one of the ubuntu help sites anyways... [02:58] belorix: The kde-look url the bot gave has kde themes on it [02:59] Alan_M i dont knwo tis confusing and them teh theme managers not even in teh menus so someone told me to use kcontol but idk how to install themes eother [02:59] I lost all my themes except for 1 [02:59] so...im in serious dire need as well ;) [02:59] genii, i know and i downloaded some themes, but they like wont work or liek install [02:59] I downloaded some rose theme.... [03:00] * Alan_M cant figure it out...they didnt say how to install or anything [03:00] belorix: you and i are in the exact same boat :( [03:01] Alan_M this is why i stay with gnome [03:01] Alan_M Aparently accorring to my gentoo budddy Kubuntu KDE is missing alot of stuff [03:01] * Alan_M also is having issues with applications freezing in KDE.... [03:01] sigsev constantly [03:02] Alan_M i guess were going to be stuck using google [03:02] belorix: well, every distro has their own "tweaks" to the desktop environments and stuff... [03:02] so...some places put stuff in...take it out.... [03:02] it just depends on what the distro is about and stuff... [03:04] run [03:04] exit [03:06] the command is /quit or /part if you wish to leave....rodney_ [03:07] I delete folder "/home/total/desktop"... where i can change default desktop folder? (because all folder in my home folder are displayed on desktop :-( ) [03:08] Hmm [03:11] please, help me( [03:22] total: It can be changed in the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs [03:22] !windowmaker [03:22] Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmaker [03:22] Best to just re-make that directory however [03:23] !info windowmaker [03:23] Package windowmaker does not exist in hardy [03:23] thanks, I will be test it. [03:25] * genii ponders "I will be test it" [03:41] hey guys, gotta an odd question. It's nothing emergency or urgent, but it is a head scratcher. KNetworkManager shows no active devices. Yet here I am. How? [03:41] eth0 is obviously enabled [03:42] Possibly /etc/network/interfaces has an entry which pre-empts the network manager [03:42] Hi. I am getting this error "The custom vm you have chosen is not a valid executable" when I open eclipse on my kubuntu machine. Anyone knows how to correct this error? [03:43] genii: hmm, I had not thought of that. I shall check that out. [03:44] Okay, I have been trying with google and #ubuntu both to setup my samba shares and I have failed at both. I'm not sure why I can't access my files from my windows computer. [03:44] dammit genii! Get back in here!!! [03:45] Omikane: tell me what you have done so far. [03:45] How I can force Dolpnih save icon size in every folder? [03:47] wernerd I have setup the drives I want shared and created all of the rules for the share and mounted the drives but none of them are showing up on my windows computer. I recall last time I had the same problem and had to edit the smb.conf file to get everything right, but I do not recall what the changes were. [03:47] Omikane: Install SWAT (Samba Web Administration Toolkit). It's the best way to configure Samba. [03:48] Omikane: Windows is stupid about showing shares in Network Neighborhood so you might have to use a command prompt. [03:48] Omikane: did you make sure you are in the same workgroup? That was an error I had once [03:48] e.g. net view //server [03:48] wernerd when I go to the workgroup in windows it prompts me for login/password and I try to use my ubuntu login/pass only to have it prompt me over and over again. [03:48] any one? [03:48] wernerd they are both WORKGROUP [03:48] Omikane: Try using smbpasswd [03:49] Goan: when are you getting that error? [03:49] cilkay as the login or pass? [03:49] neither [03:49] werenerd, clicking on the link in program menu [03:49] Goan: what program is vm? [03:49] smbpasswd --help [03:50] java virtual machine [03:50] so i upgraded to kde4.1 and i got a black screen [03:50] Omikane: I don't remember if SWAT enables one to manage passwords or not. That might be an option too. [03:51] Omikane: that sounds so damn familiar to me. I think I had the same problem a long time ago. I can't remember how I fixed it. have you read the SAMBA doc's? really that is the best way to learn it [03:51] Omikane: The issue is that there is no automatic link between POSIX and NT passwords. [03:51] cilkay well, the core issue is that I shouldn't require a pass/login. [03:51] Omikane: Read above. [03:51] hi caan someone tell me the best way to open and extract a tgz file [03:51] Goan: shit, sorry son. no help there [03:51] administrator: ARK [03:51] errors ... [03:52] cilkay how do i fix that? [03:52] administrator: right click and select EXTRACT [03:52] read [03:52] not valid [03:52] Omikane: Read above, please. I've given you the answer already, smbpasswd or maybe SWAT. [03:52] <\Kira> one of my games keep crashing and there is no sound, is there a file I can view with details of this? [03:52] <\Kira> or does it depend on the game? [03:53] cilkay i just tried SWAT and it's didn't fix it. what is the smbpasswd? [03:53] Omikane: you need to open the konsole and type " smbpasswd --help " is what cilkay [03:53] was saying [03:55] keep getting error stating child returned status 1 [03:55] wernerd ah, okay. Is there a default samba password? [03:55] Omikane: SWAT does allow you to create users and manage their passwords. I just tried it. [03:55] Omikane: No. [03:56] It doesn't list users though, unfortunately. [03:56] The best way to deal with this is a bit complex though. [03:56] any advice [03:57] cilkay, I know but I wasn't able to resolve my problem with it. I have only had to setup samba once and I don't recall how I did exactly but I do recall edited smb.conf [03:57] administrator: i am not familiar with that error. [03:57] are you shure the archive file is not corrupt? [03:57] Omikane: SWAT edits smb.conf for you. In fact, it's the canonical way to do it according to one of the Samba team I met at a conference a few years ago. [03:58] positive iv downed it twice on this bax ... and on a windows box [03:58] hello, i'm running kubuntu 8.04. a while back i added the kde4 packages to try it out, but it was pretty rough. i've heard it's been updated but i don't see updates available in my package manager. how can i make sure i have the latest kde4 to try out? [03:58] transfered it across to this box ... same [03:58] file works i need to change a line in it ... but cant extract it todo so [03:59] administrator: that is damn odd. have you removed ark and reinstalled it? [03:59] (firmware) [03:59] for nas box [03:59] cilkay Last time I didn't a guy walked me through it and it only took 5min. sigh! It angers me because I know it's simple. [03:59] nope havent dont that ... [04:00] (my 8.04 install has kde3... i added the kde4 pacakges to mess around with, if that matters) [04:00] fresh well two day old install [04:00] It is simple with SWAT. I recall spending lots of time on Samba years ago but since I started using SWAT, no more than a few minutes to set up Samba, tops. [04:01] You just have to be aware that POSIX accounts != NT accounts. [04:01] Omikane: I think this might help you: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/servers/77956-samba-win-xp-asks-password.html [04:01] ... where I mean Windows accounts for NT accounts. [04:01] my nvidia card failed, I replaced it with an ati, and when I rebooted video was fine but my atheros wifi card doesn't show up. how can I load the madwifi drivers? [04:02] You probably had a public share, i.e. no auth required, which eliminated the need for user name and password. [04:04] cilkay how do I use SWAT after I install it? I did sudo swat and it just hung there. [04:04] http://localhost:901 [04:05] The "W" part means "Web". [04:05] cilkay it's just giving me a page load error [04:05] Is it installed? [04:06] Do you have Samba running? [04:07] Omikane: As root, if you do "smbpasswd omikane", assuming omikane is your user name, you can enter a new password. [04:07] Then, as omikane, type: smbclient --list localhost [04:07] You can enter your password and see the shares. [04:08] If smbclient can't see the shares, neither can Windows. [04:08] cilkay yeah, swat is installed but I don't know if samba is running. I thought it was always running. [04:08] does anybody know if Intrepid has any major functional differences from Hardy that I could use to justify the upgrade with? [04:09] Omikane: Not necessarily. Type: /etc/init.d/samba start [04:13] cilkay http://pastebin.com/m4561b47d this is what I got when I put those in. [04:13] Omikane: You have to be root to start/stop daemons. [04:14] cilkay that's the sudo right? [04:14] Yes, you're getting elevated privileges for that particular command. [04:14] cilkay okay, I did that. [04:14] The first user that you create on K/Ubuntu by default can get root privileges. [04:14] Yes, I saw that. [04:15] cilkay so how I use SWAT again? lol [04:15]