[00:00] <storrgie> hmmmmmm
[00:00] <bsnider> storrgie, if what you want in there isn't too complicated, you might be able to enter it manually
[00:02] <unavailable> sound problems on an asus m70
[00:02] <unavailable> microphone not working
[00:02] <storrgie> did the xconf move or something?
[00:05] <myk_robinson> intel 3945 - any improvements to date?
[00:06] <mercutio22> unavailable: try #alsa. I got mine to work.
[00:07] <mercutio22> My laptop media keys arent working on Intrepid.
[00:22] <lubosz1> hi, i have weird pc beeps while booting
[00:22] <lubosz1> how comeß
[00:23] <bsnider> lubosz1, because you didn't update the kernel to today's version
[00:23] <lubosz1> i have this since beta 5, sometimes...
[00:23] <lubosz1> i updated 5 mins ago
[00:23] <lubosz1> alpha5
[00:24] <lubosz1> since 2.6.27-7 its every boot
[00:24] <lubosz1> its during the hardware drivers load, right before usplash screen pops up
[00:25] <lubosz1> any ideas? anything i could find in the logs?
[00:25] <lubosz1> is this a hardware problem?
[00:28] <mercutio22> Oh man.. cairo-dock is not the latest stable version =(
[00:28] <lubosz1> also my splash screen consists of pink and green lines :/ (gfx bug)
[00:29] <bsnider> lubosz1, turn the computer off. unplug it and then press and hold the power switch for 15 seconds. then plug it back in and restart. this is called "flea power". it is meant to eliminate files that might be left in RAM even when the power is off
[00:30] <lubosz1> bsnider: i have these errors frequently, and 3 oses on my box (laptop)
[00:30] <lubosz1> but i can try this
[00:31] <bsnider> the buigs you're talking about have been fixed, so you probably have old stuff int he ram
[00:31] <lubosz1> since when?
[00:31] <lubosz1> i didnt update like a week, before today
[00:31] <bsnider> most of them since the beta release 3 weeks ago
[00:33] <lubosz1> is this significant?
[00:33] <lubosz1> Oct 21 01:20:25 burning-studio kernel: Inspecting /boot/System.map-2.6.27-7-generic
[00:33] <lubosz1> Oct 21 01:20:25 burning-studio kernel: Cannot find map file.
[00:33] <lubosz1> the file is there btw
[00:38] <lubosz1> k, i try the power thingy
[00:42] <lubosz> the power stuff did not help
[00:42] <lubosz> further ideas?
[00:42] <lubosz> links?
[00:44] <bsnider> the bugs are fixed, so i don't know. use windows i guess
[00:49] <lubosz> bsnider: hardy boots fine, worst case scenario would be boot that
[00:50] <lubosz> i think i play around reinstalling some packages
[00:54] <unavailable> allright sound works, webcam broke
[00:54] <unavailable> was working yesterday
[00:54] <unavailable> asus m70vm built in webcam
[00:55] <unavailable> using xawtv
[00:56] <unavailable> ill try a reboot
[00:56] <unavailable> brb
[01:00] <Asa_A> Is anyone else here having trouble setting a static IP address? I'm using nm-connection-editor and it just ignores my settings
[01:05] <mercutio22> Asa_A it works for me
[01:12] <arash_>  im having problems with my keyboard running windows xp within vmware on ubuntu intrepid ibex. anyone else have similar problem?
[01:14] <ToHellWithGA> arash_: that seems like a vmware problem
[01:14] <ToHellWithGA> does your keyboard work other than that?
[01:15] <arash_> yeah, but it was working with ubuntu 8.04
[01:16] <ToHellWithGA> what is the problem?
[01:16] <ToHellWithGA> "problems with my keyboard" is a little vague ;)
[01:16] <unavailable> allright guys, i got 4 gig ram, and need the workaround for my 32 bit ubuntu intrepid to see it all
[01:17] <unavailable> vista is great with this
[01:17] <ToHellWithGA> arash_: i don't intend to convert you, but i have found Virtualbox to be very simple and generally functional on unstable/testing versions of ubuntu, historically
[01:17] <unavailable> but ubuntu i just remembered it doesnt
[01:17] <arash_> ToHellWithGA: virtualbox it is!
[01:17] <unavailable> arash_ i still recommend the sun version
[01:17] <unavailable> do not use ose
[01:18] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: physical address extension
[01:18] <unavailable> sure open source is awesome, and thats where linux was born
[01:18] <Arodon> hey is the Network Manager in Intrepid going to support the connection sharing features that Fedora 10 going to have?
[01:18] <ToHellWithGA> arash_: it's pretty slick
[01:18] <unavailable> but
[01:18] <unavailable> thanks ToHellWithGA
[01:18] <ToHellWithGA> use the non-free version if you don't need the free license
[01:18] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: i don't know how, but i think that's what you want
[01:19] <unavailable> yep ToHellWithGA
[01:19] <unavailable> again thanks
[01:19] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: it's something kernely
[01:19] <ToHellWithGA> maybe a different kernel will provide it
[01:19] <mercutio22> system sounds aren't working here
[01:19] <mercutio22> dang
[01:19] <ToHellWithGA> what does uname -a output, unavailable?
[01:19] <mercutio22> I thought that was going to be fixed this time
[01:20] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: have you tried to CLI figure it out with "alsamixer"?
[01:20] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: CLI?
[01:20] <ToHellWithGA> i recall having my mixer levels at zero by default on some things that needed volume
[01:20] <ToHellWithGA> command line interface
[01:20] <unavailable> Linux asus-ubuntu 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 22:24:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:21] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: I have audio. The system sounds wont play except for login and logout sounds
[01:21] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: perhaps another variant will work, say linux-server
[01:22] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: so they are set to play in System->Preferences->Sound?
[01:22] <ToHellWithGA> which sound system are you using (ALSA/OSS/Jack/etc.)
[01:22] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: thats proper
[01:23] <ToHellWithGA> if you right click on the menus you can edit menus to show "Multimedia Systems Selector" or something of that sort
[01:23] <ToHellWithGA> it's in the System->Preferences menu
[01:23] <ToHellWithGA> if for some reason one soundsystem is manky on your hardware you can try setting another as default
[01:24] <unavailable> ToHellWithGA: doing it now (linux-server)
[01:24] <ToHellWithGA> cool
[01:24] <ToHellWithGA> i hope it works
[01:24] <ToHellWithGA> i'd like to have that much RAM but don't think i need it quite yet
[01:24] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: pulse
[01:24] <ToHellWithGA> i saw 2GB sticks on sale somewhere the other day
[01:25] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: would you try ALSA?
[01:25] <ToHellWithGA> ALSA seems very vanilla to me, it works most of the time
[01:25] <ToHellWithGA> i don't know which is really the simplest but ALSA seems straightforward
[01:25] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: sure, but then wouldn't I loose simultaneous apps accessing my audio device?
[01:25] <ToHellWithGA> iirc OSS is on many platforms (BSD/Linux/Mac OS)
[01:26] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: i don't belive so
[01:26] <ToHellWithGA> or believe for that matter
[01:26] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: that used to happen on Hardy
[01:26] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: I will give it a shot
[01:26] <unavailable> reboot -  brb
[01:27] <stankils> Hi guys and gals. The latest update via synaptic placed wireless-tools and libwi29 packages in auto removable section. Any way I could know what was depending on them before the update?
[01:27] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: yeah man i remember having it hang when something failed to close its connection to ALSA
[01:27] <ToHellWithGA> pain in the tuchus
[01:27] <ToHellWithGA> stankils: i'd think nothing
[01:28] <ToHellWithGA> wouldn't it only auto-remove things that are no longer needed, things that are replaced by something newer?
[01:29] <stankils> It places any packages that are marked as automatically installed that other packages don't depend upon afaik
[01:29] <ToHellWithGA> so you want to figure out what no longer needs them?
[01:29] <stankils> Yep
[01:30] <stankils> Ah
[01:30] <ToHellWithGA> if you could roll back apt to a previous date's packages, a reverse upgrade of sorts, maybe you could figure it out
[01:30] <ToHellWithGA> like svn up -r
[01:30] <ToHellWithGA> but more aptish
[01:30] <stankils> I knew I wouldn't find the answer before I ask :D
[01:30] <stankils> So I asked. and found the answer :D
[01:30] <ToHellWithGA> wanna share?
[01:31] <stankils> Sure sec
[01:31] <unavailable> 3.9 gig ram
[01:31] <unavailable> yay
[01:31] <stankils> http://pastebin.ca/1232348
[01:31] <stankils> ^ ToHellWithGA
[01:31] <unavailable> now where did that last 0.1 gig go?
[01:31] <unavailable> lol
[01:31] <stankils> apt-listchanges works wonders :)
[01:31] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: base 10 land
[01:32] <unavailable> aah
[01:32] <ToHellWithGA> i just made that up
[01:32] <unavailable> lol
[01:32] <ToHellWithGA> i hope you're doubly enlightened by my fake answer
[01:32] <ToHellWithGA> do y'all use laptops with intrepid?
[01:32] <unavailable> yep
[01:32] <unavailable> asus m70
[01:32] <ToHellWithGA> the extreme simplification of xorg.conf has me confuzzled
[01:33] <unavailable> simple = confusing?
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> i want to set synaptics settings but see no "configured mouse" or "configured touchpad" section
[01:33] <unavailable> yah it got moved
[01:33] <stankils> That simplification is the greatest thing since chocolate spread to me
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> where did it go, unavailable?
[01:33] <unavailable> no clue
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> awesome
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> you could have lied to me you know
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> tricked me into looking in the wrong place
[01:33] <ToHellWithGA> would have been a good laugh
[01:34] <unavailable> lol
[01:34] <unavailable> naah
[01:35] <unavailable> didnt want to give you a false hope that really is a lost cause
[01:36] <mneptok> ToHellWithGA: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[01:37] <unavailable> ToHellWithGA: you could try this it *might* point you in the right direction
[01:37] <unavailable> http://ph.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?t=938487
[01:37] <stankils> ToHellWithGA; https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad < Read this?
[01:38] <ToHellWithGA> thanks y'all
[01:38] <unavailable> but, as i have not really gotten my machine running kosher yet...
[01:38] <unavailable> lol
[01:38] <unavailable> i got one for yah
[01:39] <ToHellWithGA> i'm terribly amped that madwifi in ubuntu's live CD supports my macbook's atheros chips
[01:39] <dead_end> I just updated from 8.04 and now samba and the ssh server can't be accessed from outside the local computer.
[01:39] <ToHellWithGA> i used to have to build madwifi from source, boo that
[01:39] <mneptok> i tried keeping ym machine kosher. the boos got mad when it would shut down every Friday night at sundown.
[01:39] <dead_end> Is this a bug or has a firewall been added?
[01:39] <mneptok> dead_end: whose network chipsets?
[01:39] <unavailable> woah
[01:40] <dead_end> standby
[01:40] <unavailable> i upped to linux-server...  and it fixed a couple of probs.
[01:40] <ToHellWithGA> mneptok: oy vey
[01:41] <mneptok> ToHellWithGA: oy gevalt!
[01:41] <unavailable> but i want to know, how do I permanently disable pulse audio
[01:41] <mneptok> #!/bin/sh
[01:41] <mneptok> killall pulseaudio
[01:42] <mneptok> ^^ add to your session items ^^^
[01:42] <unavailable> and then
[01:42] <dead_end> ethernet is intel I think. The Wireless is AThoros
[01:42] <stankils> why would you want to do that unavailable ?
[01:42] <unavailable> i need the script to automatically configure alsamixer to turn on capture
[01:42] <unavailable> stankils: because pulseaudio is fucked
[01:42] <dead_end> I can access the internet. I just can't use my laptop to access my desktop
[01:43] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: still does not work
[01:44] <stankils> weird, never had any trouble over pa
[01:44] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: that's a bummer, man
[01:44] <stankils> dead_end; can you do ping? what can you see on wireshark?
[01:44] <ToHellWithGA> i had a lot of trouble when i was using an M-Audio card in my desktop
[01:44] <ToHellWithGA> and i love that card still
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> nice ADC and DAC and RCA I/O
[01:45] <stankils> <3 my onboard "quality" card
[01:45] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: Its weird cuz the sounds do play at the gnome-audio properties thingy
[01:45] <stankils> intel "hda" audio :D
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> i just use the intel audio on my laptop now
[01:45] <dead_end> stankils: trying to ping the desktop does not work. Accessing the internet from the desktop does though
[01:45] <ToHellWithGA> the desktop is operating in stealth mode without speakers
[01:46] <ToHellWithGA> it is stealthy like when the stealth bomber flies overhead.  pentium 4 cooling fans are too loud
[01:47] <ToHellWithGA> mercutio22: did the "test" button on any of the other soundsystems make an obnoxious tone?
[01:47] <ToHellWithGA> and by obnoxious i mean the intended test tone
[01:47] <stankils> dead_end; sure it's the right ip you're pinging? desktop set on dhcp?
[01:47] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: nope
[01:48] <mercutio22> ToHellWithGA: I mean, yes
[01:48] <unavailable> i need the script to kill pulseaudio and configure alsamixer to turn on capture for every boot
[01:48] <mercutio22> unavailable: its not that bad for me
[01:48] <mercutio22> luckly
[01:48] <dead_end> stankils: i'm pinging the right ip. the desktop is using dhcp. that has never been a problem befor could it be now?
[01:51] <stankils> could be your dhcp server decided to give a new ip... i don't recall anything happening to ssh server packages that they'd stop working
[01:51] <unavailable> stankils: can you see the internet from the lappy?
[01:51] <stankils> unavailable; that's dead_end you want to highlight
[01:51] <unavailable> aah
[01:52] <unavailable> dead_end: can you see the internet from the lappy?
[01:52] <unavailable> srry stankils
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: that's hackish
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> the audio thing
[01:52] <unavailable> yah
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> you should be ashamed
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> but only a little
[01:52] <ToHellWithGA> i mean you did figure out a working hack
[01:52] <unavailable> yah, kinda
[01:53] <unavailable> every boot i pkill pulseaudio | alsamixer -V all
[01:53] <unavailable> then set capture as CAPTUR
[01:53] <unavailable> and it works
[01:53] <dead_end> unavailable: I have network access to any thing I want except the desktop. tried to ssh the desktop back into itself and that worked. i just can't get in form outside.
[01:54] <unavailable> what os on the desktop?
[01:55] <dead_end> unavailable: ubuntu 8.10. same on laptop
[01:55] <unavailable> but i guess pkill alsamixer | amixer set 'Capture',0 30%,30% cap on  would work
[01:55] <unavailable> hmm
[01:55] <unavailable> router?
[01:55] <ToHellWithGA> dead_end: how did you install?
[01:55] <ToHellWithGA> did you dist-upgrade or install clean
[01:55] <ToHellWithGA> a clean install would get new server keys
[01:56] <ToHellWithGA> s/get/generate/
[01:56] <unavailable> dead_end: and if clean, which cd?  how old is it?
[01:56] <ToHellWithGA> ssh would whinge about mismatching keys, a reasonable security precaution but an annoyance for a machine on just a home network
[01:58]  * unavailable remembers clean installing alpha 5 and seeing 420 upgrades
[01:58] <Wintervenom> Whenever I try to put GL apps full-screen, they come up corrupted -- a mess of horizontal lines and whatnot -- with Catalyst 8.10.
[01:58] <td123> unavailable: :P then it wasn't a clean install after all
[01:58] <Wintervenom> It does the same thing with the other 8.10 driver with the old X.org.
[01:59] <unavailable> rofl
[01:59] <Wintervenom> I have a Radeon HD 3100 IGP.
[01:59] <dead_end> ToHellWithGA: Clean wipe on Root, kept /home. Used the beta disk, CLI install, then apt-get ubuntu-desktop then added the servers I needed via apt
[01:59] <unavailable> td123 at that rate, its physically impossible to do a "clean" install
[01:59] <ToHellWithGA> td123: mini.iso for life
[01:59] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: ^
[01:59] <ToHellWithGA> mini.iso, if your chips are supported, starts with only enough to run a text-based installer
[02:00] <ToHellWithGA> then you download only current packages
[02:00] <ToHellWithGA> nothing as old as this morning's daily .iso build :)
[02:00] <td123> ToHellWithGA: you obviously indulge in your large barrels of bandwidth :D
[02:01] <dead_end> ToHellWithGA: The beta disk was the alternate install disk.
[02:01] <Volkodav> what's the right syntacsys for echo >>etc/fstab
[02:01] <unavailable> ToHellWithGA: remember, if you have comcast, they will reprimand you at 250 gig
[02:01] <unavailable> *bad downloader*
[02:02] <ToHellWithGA> Volkodav: man fstab
[02:02] <ToHellWithGA> unavailable: 250GB, are you kidding me?
[02:02] <Volkodav> man echo rather
[02:02] <ToHellWithGA> my hard drive in my desktop is 250GB, my hard drive in my laptop is 250GB
[02:02] <ToHellWithGA> much of the two overlap for audio storage
[02:03] <ToHellWithGA> i don't think i could find 250GB of stuff worth downloading in a month
[02:03] <ToHellWithGA> Volkodav: you may want tee
[02:03] <ToHellWithGA> i think tee can append lines to existing files
[02:03] <ToHellWithGA> is that the goal?
[02:03] <Volkodav> that's what I want to add entry to fstab from terminal
[02:03] <Volkodav> yes
[02:03] <ToHellWithGA> echo blahblahblah |tee -a /etc/fstab
[02:03] <ToHellWithGA> try it on another file first, of course
[02:04] <ToHellWithGA> iirc fstab is somewhat important
[02:04] <ToHellWithGA> oh and you'll need a sudo
[02:04] <Volkodav> i can always check it with cat
[02:04] <ToHellWithGA> echo blahblahblah |sudo tee -a /etc/fstab
[02:05] <stankils> Volkodav; that's the correct syntax... echo blahblah>>file
[02:05] <Volkodav> echo 'blabla' >>file
[02:06] <Volkodav> that's how is it supposed to be
[02:07] <ToHellWithGA> but that puts the output to the file
[02:07] <ToHellWithGA> does it append or replace?
[02:07] <stankils> > replaces >> appends
[02:07] <c0mp13371331337> I'm having a new problem with my Apple Slim Aluminum keyboard.  It's the full-sized, USB model.  In the past I've had to run various work-arounds and hacks to get the keyboard fully supported in Ubuntu, and it seems intrepid has introduced a new issue.  My tilde key, right below ESC, doesn't work.  It gives < when pressed alone, and > when pressed with the shift key.  The caret symbols on the , and . keys are functional as well.  I
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> c0mp13371331337: did you go to system->preferences->keyboard and set it to an apple/mac keyboard mapping?
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> stankils: sick
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA> Volkodav: you need sudo probably
[02:09] <Volkodav> yeah
[02:09] <ToHellWithGA>  /etc/fstab should be protected from editing by non-root users
[02:09] <c0mp13371331337> ToHellWithGA: Yup, it was there from my previous install.
[02:11] <c0mp13371331337> ToHellWithGA: I just checked, and it's set to Vendor: Apple and Model: Apple
[02:12] <ToHellWithGA> c0mp13371331337: unlucky
[02:13] <c0mp13371331337> ToHellWithGA: LOL Unlucky?  As in, SOL? ;-)
[02:13] <ToHellWithGA> c0mp13371331337: i dunno about that much, but unlucky
[02:13] <ToHellWithGA> i sympathize and encourage you to share your solution if you find one but have no idea myself
[02:14] <c0mp13371331337> ToHellWithGA: Okay, thanks for info, xmodmap it is! :-)
[02:17] <Wintervenom> Bah, I hope Catalyst isn't going to start getting worse from hereon-in..
[02:23] <ibkanat> i cant get my web cam to work with 8.10 it worked with 8.04 when i had to install the module myself
[02:25] <ibkanat> the module gspacav doesnt load right
[02:25] <ToHellWithGA> ibkanat: so 8.04 you had to install it yourself
[02:25] <ToHellWithGA> does it work under uvcvideo?
[02:25] <ibkanat> yeah but on a different computer
[02:25] <ToHellWithGA> that's the module i use for my isight, for what it's worth
[02:26] <ibkanat> i got this cam as a present
[02:26] <ibkanat> vx3000
[02:26] <ToHellWithGA> that's cool
[02:26] <ToHellWithGA> is it a nice one?
[02:27] <ToHellWithGA> my isight is built into my macbook but i've not found a use for it other than making funny faces and using effects
[02:27] <ibkanat> if it would ever work right microsoft
[02:28] <ToHellWithGA> i'm lost
[02:28] <ibkanat> I did do a upgrade from 8.04 so.. maybe I need to wait a week and get the final
[02:28] <ToHellWithGA> is it a microsoft camera?
[02:28] <ibkanat> no but its brand by them and they arent the best for releasing drivers
[02:29] <td123> ibkanat: final comes in 10 days
[02:29] <ToHellWithGA> i like my microsoft mouse well enough
[02:29] <ToHellWithGA> the branding is very superficial
[02:29] <ToHellWithGA> linksys has a ton of hardware called the same thing with different chipsets inside
[02:30] <ibkanat> yeah but being open with the drivers makes it easier for oss
[02:30] <ToHellWithGA> my WRT54G happens to have chips that work well with open source firmware, and my linksys usb network adapter happens to have a ralink chipset that plays nice with linux
[02:31] <ToHellWithGA> if i had a different revision of either of those hardware devices, outwardly branded WRT54G and WUSB54G (or something like that) i'd have had no luck whatsoever
[02:31] <ToHellWithGA> microsoft might have just chosen bad chips
[02:31] <ToHellWithGA> it's not so much their fault as the chipmakers
[02:31] <ibkanat> my wrtp54g did play nice with my new computer giga ether
[02:32] <ibkanat> nt
[02:32] <ibkanat> ^
[02:32] <ibkanat> well its like broadcom taking forever to release drivers but now thats taken care of in 8.10
[02:33] <ToHellWithGA> you can use broadcom wireless in 8.10?
[02:33] <ToHellWithGA> this could be the year
[02:33] <ToHellWithGA> the year of linux on the girlfriend's laptop
[02:34] <ibkanat> yeah should work now used to be a bear
[02:34] <ToHellWithGA> yeah i had to use ndiswrapper on her laptop
[02:34] <ToHellWithGA> it was sad
[02:35] <ibkanat> then it would get messed with kernel upgrades
[02:35]  * burner is rockin linux on the ladyfriend's desktop and mom and mom's significant other, and grandpa!
[02:35] <ToHellWithGA> by the time i had the ndsiwrapper packages installed and running there was little memory left to tinker before the live CD stalled
[02:35] <ToHellWithGA> burner: my mom's computer is for her work so she's stuck running awful software
[02:35] <ToHellWithGA> truly awful
[02:36] <ToHellWithGA> XP+Norton+Office+tons of internally made/supported financial software
[02:36] <ToHellWithGA> ugliest, most memory hungry software
[02:36] <ibkanat> I just want to have everything working and leave it(hardware).  But I always want ot do things like sync my mda and use skype video etc
[02:36] <burner> wow... norton?
[02:36] <burner> norton == worse than a virus
[02:36] <ToHellWithGA> yeah, it bogs her down
[02:37] <ToHellWithGA> if she wasn't such a clown with web browsing i'd suggest that she remove it
[02:37] <ibkanat> got to go try out my new blender build
[02:37] <burner> i would... avg is free
[02:37] <ToHellWithGA> what she really needs is all of that mandatory junk in a VM
[02:37] <ToHellWithGA> running the rest of her personal software in a totally different space would be better
[02:38] <burner> VirtualBox works well for me... except for VPN & USB devices
[02:39] <After_Math> can anyone help me with getting VirtualBox to run on 8.10?
[02:39] <rgreening> After_Math: sure.. 1 sev
[02:39] <rgreening> 1 sec..
[02:40] <After_Math> rgreening, cool thanks
[02:40] <rgreening> After_Math try this link... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[02:40] <ToHellWithGA> After_Math: i can
[02:40] <ToHellWithGA> use the debian lenny repository
[02:41] <ToHellWithGA> works like a charm
[02:41] <rgreening> worked for me. I just installed and set it up following this today.
[02:41] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, ah
[02:41] <After_Math> rgreening, really, becuase 8.04 and 8.10 use different kernel versions
[02:41] <ToHellWithGA> deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian lenny non-free
[02:41] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, how did you do that?
[02:41] <ToHellWithGA> in your sources.list file
[02:41] <ToHellWithGA> you'll need their key as well to trust the repository
[02:42] <ToHellWithGA> wget http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/sun_vbox.asc -O - |sudo apt-key add -
[02:42] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, its the binary, no deb?
[02:42] <rgreening> well, I'm running Intrepid and installed vboxgtk and basically followed the screenshots.
[02:42] <ToHellWithGA> it's the what?
[02:42] <rgreening> never had to use any special repos
[02:42] <td123> does anyone know how to set up dual monitors on a laptop in intrepid?
[02:43] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, woops nm, wrong directoy
[02:43] <outbri> td123: what graphics card do you have?
[02:43] <outbri> td123: I run a desktop with nvidia, so I use nvidia-settings to set up and control.
[02:43] <After_Math> rgreening, Well, Im going to try this if not, ill go with what you did, I was just advised not to use it form the #ubuntu room
[02:43] <td123> outbri: intel 945gm (integrated)
[02:43]  * burner wonders why the VirtualBox person doesn't just download the .deb from virtualbox.org
[02:44] <td123> outbri: of course its integrated, its a laptop :D
[02:44] <ToHellWithGA> burner: upgrades
[02:44] <ToHellWithGA> if you use a repository, your software upgrades as upgrades come out
[02:44] <burner> ok, valid
[02:44] <ToHellWithGA> if you use a .deb you have to go fetch the new .deb yourself
[02:45] <ToHellWithGA> virtualbox doesn't release that often though
[02:45] <Storrgie> roar
[02:45] <outbri> td123: I'm pretty sure you're going to have to use xinerama
[02:45] <Storrgie> outbri: what is td123 trying to do?
[02:46] <outbri> td123: does anyone know how to set up dual monitors on a laptop in intrepid?
[02:46] <outbri> td123: outbri: intel 945gm (integrated)
[02:46] <ToHellWithGA> can you do that with displayconfig-gtk?
[02:46] <Storrgie> i think the new display config does it
[02:47] <Storrgie> but nvidia-settings doesnt work right now for nvidia cards
[02:47] <td123> ToHellWithGA: the screen options just mirror my desktop..
[02:47] <ToHellWithGA> oh, you want to extend it?
[02:47] <ToHellWithGA> two unique desktops
[02:47] <td123> I can see video on the other screen but the two monitors have the same resolution and they are mirrors
[02:47] <td123> ToHellWithGA: ya
[02:47] <ToHellWithGA> cross your eyes
[02:47] <Storrgie> haha
[02:47] <ToHellWithGA> it'll be the least magical magic eye ever
[02:47] <ToHellWithGA> no depth added
[02:49] <td123> ToHellWithGA: displayconfig-gtk doesn't exist in intrepid
[02:49] <c0mp13371331337> Storrgie: I just used nvidia-settings to configure dual-monitors on my desktop, worked just fine in Intrepid.
[02:50] <Storrgie> c0mp13371331337: really? i tried about an hour ago with my intrepid install and it was segfaulting
[02:50] <Storrgie> c0mp13371331337: do you have all the updates?
[02:50] <ToHellWithGA> td123: i just noticed
[02:50] <ToHellWithGA> my mind is so blown
[02:50] <outbri> td123: your xorg.conf should look something like this when you're done http://pastebin.com/m5277eedc
[02:50] <td123> ToHellWithGA: hold on, I think I got this
[02:50] <c0mp13371331337> Storrgie: Maybe they broke something between when I did it two nights ago and now, but it worked fine for me.
[02:50] <td123> outbri: please paste that again if I come back and say it didn't work ;P
[02:51] <Storrgie> yea i think it worked a couple days ago
[02:51] <BADNEWScheesypoo> Anybody think they can help me? My 8.10 upgrade is stuck. http://img511.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot2rb3.png
[02:52] <ToHellWithGA> BADNEWScheesypoo: that's a bummer, man
[02:52] <Storrgie> BADNEWScheesypoo: why do an upgrade, why not a new install
[02:52] <Storrgie> BADNEWScheesypoo: with the new kernal some of the dir structures in / are different
[02:53] <BADNEWScheesypoo> i didn't realize upgrading had a disadvantage...
[02:53] <Storrgie> BADNEWScheesypoo: i am just assumine it does.
[02:53] <Storrgie> BADNEWScheesypoo: i could be very wrong :(
[02:53] <outbri> It can have disadvantages, but most of the time it is just fine.
[02:54] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, you still need the virtualnox-ose to download rright?
[02:54] <td123> holy shit! it works
[02:54] <BADNEWScheesypoo> it all went wrong when it asked me whether to replace some tiger file or not, i told it to compare the 2
[02:54] <outbri> td123: great!
[02:55] <td123> I have 1280x800 on my laptop and 1920x1200 on my external and they are both unique!!!
[02:55] <outbri> td123: how'd you do it?
[02:55] <Storrgie> td123: thats aweosme, did u use the gtk config?
[02:55] <ToHellWithGA> After_Math: i do not use the OSE
[02:56] <ToHellWithGA> the PUEL/closed source edition has nice things
[02:56] <ToHellWithGA> USB support
[02:56] <ToHellWithGA> fancy guest additions that auto-resize windows guest displays to fit the window
[02:56] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, really, never used anything else. Is that in the repos?
[02:56] <td123> the only thing I did was go to screen resolution under preferences, double clicked the little window that contained my screen, another popped up showing a 24" screen and I was like wtf :/ I found this by mistake
[02:56] <Storrgie> awesome
[02:56] <ToHellWithGA> After_Math: virtualbox-2.0 should work
[02:56] <td123> I found an undocumented feature :D
[02:56] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, does it have internet support as well
[02:57] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, ok
[02:57] <ToHellWithGA> After_Math: it does
[02:57] <ToHellWithGA> the free version has that
[02:57] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, is already the newest version
[02:58] <ToHellWithGA> After_Math: virtualbox-2.0 is the current line of virtualbox
[02:58] <ToHellWithGA> virtualbox is the previous major release, 1.6
[02:59] <ToHellWithGA> either of those packages have all of the features of the open source edition plus the creature comforts like USB support
[02:59] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, no I have the newest one, when I tried to download it. How do I run it from command line? It doesnt seem to shwo up under System Tools for me
[02:59] <ToHellWithGA> VirtualBox &
[03:00] <ToHellWithGA> did you add yourself to the vboxusers group?
[03:00]  * burner is selling a cheap eee pc...  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190259305672&ru=http%3A%2F%2Fshop.ebay.com%3A80%2F%3F_from%3DR40%26_trksid%3Dm38.l1313%26_nkw%3D190259305672%26_sacat%3DSee-All-Categories%26_fvi%3D1
[03:00] <ToHellWithGA> in system->administration->users and groups you'll need to unlock, manage groups, browse to the vboxusers group, check your username, log out, and log in
[03:00] <After_Math> ToHellWithGA, ah, going to do that now
[03:00] <ToHellWithGA> man alive do i feel like a nerd for remembering most of those steps
[03:01] <After_Math> lol
[03:01] <ToHellWithGA> i'm supposed to be doing air balance calcs tonight
[03:02] <ToHellWithGA> you guys are a great distraction
[03:02] <ToHellWithGA> i feel much better than doing work at home
[03:02] <td123> ToHellWithGA: unless you can recite the man page of gcc completely by memory, you have a long way to go ;P
[03:02] <After_Math> :)
[03:02] <ToHellWithGA> man page? pshaw, i just parse the binary a page at a time in vim
[03:03] <td123> ToHellWithGA: ya, well I use the butterfly effect in reverse to read the man page... look it up on xkcd
[03:03] <ToHellWithGA> :)
[03:03] <ToHellWithGA> look deeper into my eyes
[03:03] <BADNEWScheesypoo> if i were to exit out of the 8.1 upgrade while it was installing, would my ubuntu still be usable after I restart? it was 3 minutes from finishing when it got stuck :(
[03:03] <outbri> burner: that eee doesn't have much in the way of storage, does it?
[03:04] <ToHellWithGA> BADNEWScheesypoo: maybe maybe
[03:04] <ToHellWithGA> BADNEWScheesypoo: how about you close it and run it again
[03:04] <ToHellWithGA> it should detect the partial upgrade
[03:04] <burner> outbri: only 4 g
[03:04] <ToHellWithGA> or a "sudo aptitude full-upgrade" would detect the partial upgrade
[03:04] <BADNEWScheesypoo> there is no close button, i figured i would end it
[03:05] <ToHellWithGA> you're in a state of hose-d-ness right now so you might as well kill it then try to finish upgrading before rebooting
[03:05] <BADNEWScheesypoo> thx for the advice :) ill see what happens
[03:06] <ToHellWithGA> good luck
[03:08] <BADNEWScheesypoo> system monitor just seems to close or crash when i try :|
[03:10] <ToHellWithGA> did you read the log output
[03:10] <ToHellWithGA> i bet your machine is too leet for it
[03:10] <ToHellWithGA> in its semi-upgraded state
[03:10] <BADNEWScheesypoo> log output of? the system monitor
[03:11]  * DanaG wonders if nvidia EVER will fix the 96 drivers.
[03:11] <DanaG> It's a boolean question, not a "time" question. =þ
[03:12] <bsnider> DanaG, guhhh
[03:12] <BADNEWScheesypoo> ooh "sudo killall intrepid" did the job
[03:13] <BADNEWScheesypoo> not sure if that will end up haunting me or be a good thing
[03:13] <bsnider> no one _here_ can fix the 96 drivers
[03:13] <DanaG> That's why I said:
[03:13]  * DanaG wonders if ___nvidia___ EVER will fix the 96 drivers.
[03:13] <BADNEWScheesypoo> whats wrong with them?
[03:14] <bsnider> they don't work with the new x server
[03:14] <bsnider> but they also only support hardware that's about 6 generations old
[03:15] <burner> DanaG: oh crap, you mean they don't work in intrepid yet?  I just told someone to upgrade who has an old Nvidia card... whoops
[03:16] <bsnider> well that's only if you need hardware accelerated 3d
[03:16] <bsnider> the nv driver gives you all the basic stuff
[03:16] <burner> yeah, bummer
[03:16] <burner> he's a gamer
[03:16] <burner> i'm an ass ;)
[03:17] <bsnider> linux isn't a gaming platform
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> linux is a * platform
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> it just takes work
[03:20] <burner> www.playdeb.net suggests otherwise
[03:20] <bsnider> they're wrong
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> BADNEWScheesypoo: yeah bud
[03:20] <bsnider> if you want gaming, use windows
[03:20] <ToHellWithGA> glad it worked
[03:21] <burner> boo
[03:21]  * burner games perfectly fine... warcraft 3 what what!
[03:21] <bsnider> some games work. most do not and never will
[03:22] <burner> nexuiz r00lz...   who can hate on crack attack
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> warcraft 3 works?
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> i know id software makes most of their games with opengl
[03:22] <ToHellWithGA> nice of them
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> dunno if that applies to current generation games
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> i've not bought anything new since quake 3
[03:23] <ToHellWithGA> s/thing new/ new games/
[03:24] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: how about synaptics in intrepid?
[03:25] <ToHellWithGA> where does one go to set synaptics arugments that were previously in xorg.conf?
[03:30] <dmotd> hello, testing the ubuntu 8.10-deskop bootcd, fails to find screens on an old toshiba-satellite-a10.
[03:30] <bsnider> which cd? where did you get it?
[03:31] <dmotd> bsnider, downloaded from my isp mirror..
[03:31] <bsnider> what is the iso file called?
[03:32] <dmotd> ubuntu-8.10-beta-desktop-i386.iso
[03:32] <bsnider> you downloaded a 3 week old image
[03:32] <bsnider> download and burn the daily-live image instead
[03:32] <bsnider> !daily
[03:33] <dmotd> sure
[03:34] <RAOF> ToHellWithGA: xinput.
[03:34] <RAOF> ToHellWithGA: Alternatively, HAL fdi's.
[03:35] <bsnider> what's up RAOF?
[03:38] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: yikes
[03:39] <ToHellWithGA> the fdis look confusing to me
[03:39] <ToHellWithGA> much worse than xorg.conf
[03:45] <ToHellWithGA> RAOF: something happened, man
[03:45] <ToHellWithGA> i don't see a "synaptics touchpad" anywere in xinput's output
[03:45] <ToHellWithGA> just "appletouch"
[03:47] <RAOF> Is it actually an appletouch?
[03:47] <ToHellWithGA> it is, it is
[03:47] <ToHellWithGA> it's the trackpad on my macbook
[03:47] <ToHellWithGA> i want to use synaptics settings i've used before
[03:51] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/19-synaptics.fdi
[03:52] <DanaG> That's what I use (though it may be an old version of my tweaks).
[03:52] <DanaG> ToHellWithGA: poke.
[03:53] <DanaG> Yes, "Poke." =þ
[03:55] <ToHellWithGA> pong
[03:56] <ToHellWithGA> calpoly, eh?
[03:56] <DanaG> Yup.
[03:56] <ToHellWithGA> y'all had a decent club water polo team when i first played
[03:56] <ToHellWithGA> fall of 2002
[03:56] <bsnider> has screenlets still got all those memory leaks?
[03:57] <ToHellWithGA> DanaG: where do you put that .fdi file?
[03:59] <DanaG> /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/
[04:00] <DanaG> er
[04:00] <DanaG> /etc/hal/fdi/policy
[04:10] <Mark_Milliman> Wasn't there just an update to screenlets?
[04:13] <Mark_Milliman> For as many people in here, it is sure quiet
[04:14] <bsnider> there was an update to screenlets. i haven't had htem installed in months because they gobble up vast amounts of ram
[04:14] <coppro> ok, I'm looking for upgrade help
[04:14] <coppro> I'm using nonstandard KDE4 packages from the users PPA
[04:14] <bsnider> i mean 200 mb for 4 or 5 screenlets is too high a price to pay
[04:14] <coppro> apt is trying to uninstall them as part of the upgarde
[04:14] <coppro> this is *bad*
[04:14] <coppro> how do I avoid this?
[04:14] <Mark_Milliman> bsnider, true
[04:15] <Jordan_U> coppro: Does the PPA include intrepid packages?
[04:15] <coppro> Jordan_U: I don't know; I cut it out of the upgraded sources.list (and the auto-updater is trying the same stuff
[04:16] <coppro> I would assume that most of the packages are in the intrepid repos... I could be wrong
[04:16] <Mark_Milliman> I have three screenlets running and they are consuming 30 MB
[04:17] <coppro> maybe they got renamed as part of the change from KDE4 to KDE3
[04:17] <bsnider> coppro, you might not be able to upgrade with thos packages because they might depend on stuff that's not there anymore
[04:17] <coppro> err... 3 to 4
[04:17] <coppro> bsnider: yeah, that appears to be the problem
[04:17] <coppro> I'm just wondering why intrepid doesn't have replacements
[04:17] <Mark_Milliman> I'm considering removing and reinstalling the -7 version of the kernel hoping that when I reinstall it my sound comes back.
[04:18] <coppro> actually, checking on packages.ubuntu.com
[04:18] <coppro> looks like a lot of the kde4 packages have been removed
[04:18] <coppro> and replaced the old kde3 packages
[04:18] <coppro> so I should be fine
[04:18] <Jordan_U> coppro: It may have replacements that don't explicitly replace those packages because it's not expecting them in a normal upgrade
[04:18] <Mark_Milliman> Any suggestions for removing it?  I am currently using the -6 version
[04:18] <tsuru> Mark_Milliman: a couple days ago pulseaudio was updated... did that cause it?
[04:18] <coppro> well, the PPA packages are all upgrades of regular packages
[04:19] <coppro> but I think the issue is just they were renamed
[04:19] <tsuru> Mark_Milliman: maybe a sudo depmod -a?
[04:19] <Mark_Milliman> tsuru, the problem is not PulseAudio.  My snd-intel8x0 driver isn't even loading
[04:19] <coppro> Is there somewhere I can add this in the wiki
[04:19] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman: Do you get an error when you try to modprobe the module?
[04:20] <coppro> I'm sure I won't be the only one asking as Intrepid hits release
[04:20] <Mark_Milliman> Jordan_U, yes I do.  I can provide the exact message now but there are version errors accessing some of the variables and structures in the driver.
[04:20] <EruditeHermit> is jockey-gtk working for anyone?
[04:21] <EruditeHermit> is it detecting restricted hardware?
[04:21] <Mark_Milliman> I can't modprobe it now because I am using the -6 kernel
[04:21] <Mark_Milliman> My audio card worked under -7-10 then broke when I updated to -7-12.
[04:21] <bsnider> EruditeHermit, jockey should be in good shape
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> bsnider: do you know how it detects hardware that it knows requires restricted drivers?
[04:22] <bsnider> pciid probably
[04:22] <EruditeHermit> bsnider: my jockey-gtk appears empty after upgrade to intrepid
[04:23] <bsnider> file a bug
[04:23] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman: Can you file a bug report with the error message from modprobe?
[04:24] <Jordan_U> Mark_Milliman: You should be able to *carefully* re-install the -7 kernel just like any other package
[04:24] <Mark_Milliman> Jordan_U there are already three bugs related to it
[04:25] <Mark_Milliman> Jordan_U, that is what I thought.  I would use Synaptic Package manager to gracefully remove the image and source files, reboot, and reinstall them.  I probably don't need to reboot since I am running -6 already.
[04:26] <Mark_Milliman> I just keep hoping that there will be a new revision of the kernel that will fix it.
[04:27] <Mark_Milliman> I somewhat suspect that I did a partial upgrade before doing a distro update which may have screwed up some module versions.
[04:30] <SomeoneE1se> why does wireless work ootb when I boot but if I do anything with it first it stops working?
[04:31] <SomeoneE1se> yes I know that question sucks
[04:35] <Mark_Milliman> The version for linux-image-generic is 2.6.27.7.10 while linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic is 2.6.27.7.12. Could this mismatch be causing some of my audio problems?
[04:35] <Hobbsee> Mark_Milliman: highly unlikely.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> the first doesn't actually contain any non-packaigng files
[04:36] <Jordan_U> Can you share an internet connection with only network-manager in intrepid?
[04:37] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I am just trying to find a reason why my snd-intel8x0 audio driver reports a symbol version mismatch.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Mark_Milliman: no idea.  But that wouldn't be it
[04:38] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, okay
[04:39] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I am considering removing the -7 kernel and reinstalling it.  My -6 works well and I am using it now.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Mark_Milliman: you could try that.
[04:39] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbee, I am hoping that somehow the reinstallation will allow my audio driver to load.
[04:40] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I am planning on removing the source, headers, and image.  Should I remove the restricted modules too?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> er, why do you have the source installed anyway?
[04:42] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, so I can build my Conexant modem driver
[04:42] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:42] <Hobbsee> yes, r-m would also be a good one to try removing
[04:43] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, the Conexant drivers come with an ALSA package as well. I wonder if that is part of the problem.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> it could well be.
[04:43] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I am going to try a reinstall of all of those modules through Synaptic
[04:43] <Hobbsee> i'd try recompiling that against the kernel you have, and installing that again.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> that sounds more likely than a bad install of the image
[04:44] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, perhaps. I installed it with the -7 kernel but I don't recall with which version of it.
[04:44] <Mark_Milliman> Maybe I should remove that first.
[04:47] <Mark_Milliman> I'm removing alsa-driver-linuxant then rebooting with the -7 kernel
[04:48] <Mark_Milliman> I now have no sound in the current kernel!
[04:49] <kindofabuzz> any working nvidia legacy drivers yet?
[04:49] <Mark_Milliman> Now I get the same error with -6 as with -7
[04:50] <Mark_Milliman> WARNING: Error inserting snd_ac97_codec (/lib/modules/2.6.27-6-generic/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[04:50] <Mark_Milliman> FATAL: Error inserting snd_intel8x0 (/lib/modules/2.6.27-6-generic/kernel/sound/pci/snd-intel8x0.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[04:52] <zyrorl> anyone know what the new gnome time tracking utility thing is supposed to be?
[04:52] <zyrorl> whats it called even?
[04:52] <zyrorl> because i dont see it in ubuntu
[04:52] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, any words of wizdom?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> Mark_Milliman: does  dmesg show anything interesting?
[04:54] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: trackerd is the daemon, it shows up in other places, iirc
[04:54] <shirish> Hobbsee: hi :)
[04:54] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I'll check it once I finish rebuilding modules as a reinstall of alsa-driver-linuxant
[04:54] <Hobbsee> zyrorl: there's a desktop serach bar and such that has it integrated
[04:54] <Hobbsee> shirish: hello
[04:55] <Mark_Milliman> If my sound comes back with the -6 kernel by reinstalling alsa-dirver-linuxant, then I'll reboot with -7 and reinstall it there.
[04:55] <ajmitch> zyrorl: you may be looking for hamster-applet, I haven't tried it
[04:55] <shirish> Hobbsee: do you know if dhcdbd is deprecated, and if yes what is it replaced with?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> shirish: i've got no idea.
[04:56] <zyrorl> Hobbsee - i dont think thats what im after, ajmitch i'll look into it
[04:56] <shirish> Hobbsee: ok, another one, is there anyway to know whether I'm connected through dhcp or network-manager ?
[04:56] <zyrorl> ajmitch that sounds like it
[04:56] <zyrorl> i'll need to find out how to get it
[04:57] <Hobbsee> shirish: i expect one uses the other, but why are you asking me all this?
[04:57] <shirish> Hobbsee: because from what I know, you are one of the developers and know quite a lot about ubuntu
[04:57] <zyrorl> sweet. apt-get install hamster-applet did the trick:D
[04:57] <Hobbsee> shirish: i do, but that doesn't mean i'm your personal slave, supposed to know everything.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> and it doesn't mean i'm not also doing other things.
[04:58] <Mark_Milliman> A word to the wise, don't hit ^C in a terminal window when rebuilding your kernel thinking you are copying text.
[04:58] <shirish> true
[04:58] <Hobbsee> especially for things that are most likely googlable.
[04:58] <Hobbsee> Mark_Milliman: hah!  No, tha'ts probably not a great idea :)
[04:58] <shirish> Mark_Milliman: been there, experienced that, unfortunately :)
[04:58] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I found that out the hard way. Hopefully the kernel will rebuild fine
[04:59] <shirish> tried googling but couldn't come up with a sure-shot answer
[05:00] <grizlo42> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-96_96.43.05-0ubuntu10_i386.deb: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/libGL.so.1', which is also in package libgl1-mesa-glx
[05:00] <grizlo42> i was trying to install nvidia driver 96 and i got that
[05:00] <Mark_Milliman> I am using version 173 without any problems
[05:01] <Mark_Milliman> grizlo42, why are you going to use 96?
[05:01] <Hobbsee> grizlo42: please file a bug on that, and give me the number.
[05:01] <zyrorl> hamster will make my life so much easier
[05:01] <grizlo42> hobbsee: ok
[05:02] <RAOF> grizlo42: It's probably worth noting that -96 won't actually work at all.
[05:02] <grizlo42> Mark_Milliman cause that is what the restricted drivers reccommended
[05:02] <bigfox> What would cause the joystick to be mapped to the mouse?
[05:02] <grizlo42> what should i do to get my GeForce 400 to work then?
[05:03] <Mark_Milliman> grizlo42, okay, it recommended 173 to me.
[05:03] <RAOF> grizlo42: As far as I'm aware; nothing.  It just won't have 3d.
[05:03] <grizlo42> so intrepid simply won't support that?
[05:03] <grizlo42> that seems like a REALLY bad idea
[05:03] <grizlo42> why break support for that?
[05:03] <Mark_Milliman> grizlo42, oh a GeForce 400 sorry.  Thought you had a newer card.
[05:03] <RAOF> grizlo42: Sucks to be solely dependent on nvidia for driver support, yes.
[05:04] <crdlb> RAOF: hey, do you know if jockey is aware of the nvidia SSE requirement?
[05:04] <RAOF> crdlb: It probably isn't, no.  That'd be a nice bug to file (if somewhat late).
[05:04] <RAOF> crdlb: Is there a SSE requirement?
[05:04] <crdlb> RAOF: since 169.x approx
[05:05] <crdlb> 100.14.19 was the last driver not to have it
[05:05] <crdlb> anything using libgl will fail with Illegal instruction
[05:05] <crdlb> there are a good number of FX + early athlon configurations out there
[05:05] <RAOF> grizlo42: Your geforce 400 won't work because _nvidia_ don't support our X server.
[05:05] <grizlo42> so if i was to buy a graphics card for under $75, which one should i buy?
[05:06] <RAOF> Sadly, we can't do anything about this.
[05:06] <crdlb> and I saw a user with a gf 6 today
[05:06] <crdlb> (presumably an upgrade)
[05:06] <Hobbsee> RAOF: if that package doesn't work, it should probably get removed?
[05:07] <RAOF> Hobbsee: Probably, yes.
[05:07] <crdlb> Hobbsee: well, users can downgrade X
[05:07] <RAOF> crdlb: So, geforce 5+ users _can't_ use their card on an Athlon?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> crdlb: yuck.  I've done that before, andit isn't pretty
[05:07] <crdlb> which is probably safer than manually installing the nvidia driver :P
[05:07] <RAOF> It just gets better and better!
[05:07] <coppro> hmm... my ghostscript is dying during the upgrade; hope it's only a symptom of a half-completed upgrade, not an issue
[05:07] <crdlb> RAOF: on the old athlons that didn't have SSE
[05:08] <crdlb> they'd have to use 96 which doesn't exist now :>
[05:08] <grizlo42> what grapphics card should i get that i know will have support
[05:08] <RAOF> grizlo42: I'd recommend the cheapest ATI card money can buy.
[05:08] <RAOF> If you want cheap.
[05:08] <Mark_Milliman> kernel modules finally finished building
[05:08] <grizlo42> dell says that ubuntu doesn't support ATI...
[05:08] <RAOF> Dell lies.
[05:08] <RAOF> Well, is out of date.
[05:09] <RAOF> ATI (finally) released a new fglrx.
[05:10] <RAOF> grizlo42: Also, the open-source ATI driver exists and is good; if, rather than a geforce 400 you'd had an ATI card of the same vintage, it'd be happily using an open-source driver and you wouldn't have this problem.
[05:10] <Mark_Milliman> okay, I was able to restore my sound with the -6 kernel so I am going to reboot with -7 and reinstall the alsa-driver-linuxant package under it.
[05:10] <Mark_Milliman> brb
[05:13] <grizlo42> is this a good driver? : HIS ATI Radeon X1550 256MB PCI
[05:14] <RAOF> That should work with the open-source driver, I believe, and the proprietary fglrx driver should support it, too.
[05:16] <crdlb> RAOF: it seems there's a bug filed, and update-manager at least can handle it
[05:22] <grizlo42> what about ATI Radeon HD 2400 PRO 128MB?
[05:22] <brianski> hmm what's the ETA of the release of 8.10 ?
[05:22] <bigfox> October 30th.
[05:23] <RAOF> grizlo42: the HD won't have open-source support until Jaunty, but will work with fglrx.
[05:23] <grizlo42> so it will be able to run until then?
[05:24] <RAOF> Yes.
[05:24] <brianski> does intrepid's failsafe X let you alt-tab to terminals
[05:24] <brianski> (i can't do that in hardy)
[05:25] <RAOF> brianski: I presume you mean "Ctrl+Alt+F<1-6>" to terminals, as Alt-Tab requires a working X :)
[05:25] <RAOF> And it works for me.
[05:26] <brianski> err, RAOF, yes :-)
[05:26] <brianski> i wonder if it's just my video card or everyone had the problem in 8.04. made the whole concept of failsafe X seem really really stupid (had to remote login a few times)
[05:27] <joshual> hi
[05:27] <joshual> whats the best filesystem to use with intrepid ibex? is jfs best right now?
[05:27] <brianski> define best?
[05:27] <brianski> for 95% of people best == default == ext3
[05:28] <joshual> brianski: even with the new filesystems available in intrepid?
[05:28] <Frijolie> I'm having a sound issue, the dial on my laptop no longer will control the volume of the sound.
[05:29] <Frijolie> turning the dial down graphically shows that the sound is being lowered, but it actually does nothing
[05:29] <Frijolie> none of the applications pay any attention...is this a PulseAudio issue?
[05:29] <brianski> joshual: i've used xfs,jfs, and reiser, and none of them are worth the piece of mind of good ol' ext3 like everyone else, for me
[05:30] <brianski> altho xfs has its charms
[05:30]  * RAOF notes that people who like their data should be a little leary of XFS.
[05:30] <joshual> brianski: gotchyah... ext4 will replace ext3 right?
[05:30] <joshual> eventually
[05:30] <brianski> RAOF: yep
[05:30] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I really need to pay attention to the other modules I install with my kernel when I load alphas and betas.
[05:31] <brianski> joshual: that's the plan as i understand it
[05:31] <brianski> ext3 -> ext4 -> btrfs
[05:31] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, it was the alsa-driver-linuxant package that I needed in -7 to restore my audio.
[05:31] <Mark_Milliman> All is fine now!
[05:31] <Mark_Milliman> Hobbsee, I just needed someone to bounce my ideas off of...thanks! :)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> Mark_Milliman: hurrah!  You're welcome :)
[05:33] <Mark_Milliman> Now I might try the new alpha of Boxee
[05:34] <Frijolie> ?
[05:34] <joshual> umm tried "update-manager -d" (without quotes) update manager opens but doesnt tell me new distribution release 8.10 available (on 8.04)
[05:36] <brianski> joshual: is your 8.04 up to date? i noticed some package management updates awhile back
[05:36] <brianski> (and it works for me)
[05:36] <joshual> brianski: yeah it is
[05:36] <Mark_Milliman> jushual, worked fine for me too
[05:36] <joshual> weird...
[05:37] <brianski> you could s/hardy/ibex/g in your /etc/apt/sources.list and dist-upgrade by hand
[05:38] <Mark_Milliman> perhaps time for an autoclean
[05:38] <frybye> Hi - awe shucks - I just removed my fusion-icon by mistake - how can i get it back...?
[05:38] <joshual> oh duh
[05:39] <joshual> i had synaptic open
[05:39] <frybye> it is no longer in the list of stuff offered when opening the "add to panel" window...
[05:42] <brianski> does ibex support kernel mode video mode setting?
[05:42] <joshual> huh, only 42 files being upgraded from a fully updated hardy to become a intrepid ibex 9 days from release
[05:43] <joshual> oh wait, 1200 packages :)
[05:48] <kindofabuzz> so is the nvidia 96 driver working yet?
[05:50] <bigfox> My GeForce 9500 GT works perfectly in Intrepid.
[05:51] <frybye> man oh man - I seem to have really done the dirty to my fusion-icon - i have even "completly removed" and "reinstalled" it but still dont work now.. any ideas...?
[05:51] <keisangi> hi there, after last update scim isn't loaded up anymore, and if i start it up manually, application don't make use of it, it's just in the systray idle.. i cannot type in my language anymore
[05:51] <RAOF> kindofabuzz: No.
[05:52] <kindofabuzz> will it be fixed for release? i know it's up to Nvidia
[05:52] <keisangi> what could i do ? any ideas?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> kindofabuzz: that'd be something you'd have to ask nvidia
[05:52] <RAOF> kindofabuzz: "It's in progress" is apparently the best we've got.
[05:52] <kindofabuzz> doh
[05:52] <kindofabuzz> probably not
[05:52] <kindofabuzz> #ubuntu is going to be full of hey why don't I have 3d?? lol
[05:53] <keisangi> before last update it was working correctly, i've tryed rebooting, but it didn't help
[05:55] <bigfox> After updating to Intrepid on my machine with thee 9500GT I had to remove the drivers that Envy installed, then delete the xorg.conf file.  After that I just installed the restricted driver in Hardware drivers (Nvidia driver version 177) and it worked fine.
[06:18] <FFForever> HELP!!!!
[06:18] <FFForever> how do i get into service mode without the root password????
[06:20] <Hobbsee> service mode?
[06:21] <frybye> in totem a load of stuff is greyed-out - no access to the volume - no access to audio menu etc.. what to do???
[06:23] <FFForever> Hobbsee, i changed the root password
[06:23] <FFForever> it wont go into service mode without the root password....
[06:23] <crdlb> FFForever: at the grub menu, edit the kernel line and append 'single'
[06:23] <crdlb> unless you've set a grub password and forgotten that one too :P
[06:23] <FFForever> no grub password XD
[06:24] <frybye> if the sound is working in other appl and not in totem/video-player - what to do??
[06:27] <frybye> ok - just started working again - ... have fun...
[06:31] <DrUnKnMuNkY> hey everyone.. i just installed kde4 on my existing ubuntu 8.10 installation by installing the package kubuntu-desktop. i can't get it to open at all.. i see the kde splash screen get to the 3rd of 4th item and then gdm/kdm (tried both) restarts and brings me back to the login page. kde4 apps work in gnome. any ideas?
[06:39] <Mark_Milliman> Darn! Boxee does not work with Intrepid yet.
[06:52] <Mark_Milliman> I still got the last word in!
[06:54] <gaelfx> hey, what are the parameters I should pass to dpkg to make it install Skype on my AMD64 setup?
[06:54] <gaelfx> or is there a better way??
[06:54] <Daisuke_Ido> does amarok 2 exist in intrepid (yet)?
[06:57] <gaelfx> Daisuke_Ido: you should be able to add it, if nothing else, they have a .deb package on their site I believe
[06:58] <gaelfx> Daisuke_Ido: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download
[07:05] <After_Math> Is it possible to install Avant on 8.10?
[07:05] <After_Math> if so, how? thanks
[07:06] <gaelfx> ok, I'm trying to install Skype from Medibuntu, and I successfully installed Skype-Common, but when I try to install Skype, it says that Skype-Common is not installed
[07:08] <gaelfx> After_Math: it looks like you would have to install it with Wine, but I doubt it will work the way you want
[07:08] <gaelfx> check that AppDB at www.winehq.org
[07:08] <After_Math> gaelfx, seriously? what would be the point then
[07:09] <gaelfx> After_Math: I don't know, why don't you just use Firefox?
[07:09] <gaelfx> After_Math: the only way to know how well it will work is if you install it and see
[07:10] <After_Math> gaelfx, oh ,lol I was talking about Avant window mangaer :)
[07:10] <gaelfx> After_Math: oh, ok, do you have a link to their site?
[07:10] <After_Math> nuh uh
[07:11] <After_Math> http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/
[07:15] <RAOF> After_Math: I'd suggest installing the 'avant-window-navigator' package, then.
[07:15] <gaelfx> After_Math: well, I wouldn't mess with it since it's based on X and they've done some massive changes to X since Hardy
[07:15] <After_Math> ya I think I will hold off for now, thanks guys :)
[07:16] <punzada> current avant runs fine on 8.10, it even has all the awn-extras included now
[07:16] <punzada> was bad advice you just gave him ;x
[07:17] <gaelfx> haha, I was just gonna tell him the package is in the repos...
[07:17] <gaelfx> sorry, my bad
[07:17] <punzada> oh well
[07:17] <punzada> lol
[07:18] <gaelfx> but he has inspired me to give it a try
[07:18] <punzada> I've been using it since 7.10, it's fun.
[07:19] <gaelfx> yeah, looks pretty spiffy since I do enjoy that aspect of Mac OS
[07:30] <prodigel> Hi all. I have a problem that appeared after i've upgraded to 8.10. My arrow keys(except right arrow) don't work in gnome. Tested in tty console and it's ok.
[07:50] <TraceRoute> how's 8.10?
[07:52] <TraceRoute> would anyone recommend upgrading to 8.10?
[07:52] <ntinos_> in 9 days
[07:52] <ntinos_> i think
[07:54] <ntinos_> im going away
[08:09] <ianliu_88> Have anyone gotten this error after the latest upgrade? "/usr/share/themes/Human/gtk-2.0/gtkrc:273: Unable to locate image file in pixmap_path: "panel_bg.png"
[08:10] <ianliu_88> if you ran nautilus by terminal, you can see this error
[08:11] <TraceRoute> meh im upgrading now so ill see in a few minutes
[08:11] <ianliu_88> k
[08:12] <TraceRoute> i figure it'll be smart and get a early start then wait till the 30th and the repos get hammered
[08:15] <ianliu_88> TraceRoute: do you have problems typing ^ or ~ characters? On past ubuntu you could type them 2 times to get a ^ printed. Now if you type 2 times it does nothing
[08:15] <ianliu_88> ooops
[08:15] <ianliu_88> I think the last update fixed that
[08:16] <ianliu_88> >.<
[08:17] <TraceRoute> i still have 13mins till it gets finished upgrading from hardy
[08:18] <ianliu_88> oh, you are upgrading from hardy.. I thought you was updating the latest beta patch
[08:18] <ianliu_88> when ubuntu gets out I will make a fresh install... don't like those big step upgrades
[08:19] <TraceRoute> oh no, I usually upgrade a week or so before the final release
[08:19] <ianliu_88> =)
[08:19] <ianliu_88> gosh, I really should go sleep! its 5:20 am here in brasil xP
[08:20] <TraceRoute> 3:20am usa
[08:20] <ianliu_88> I'm trying to implement some math algorithms in C
[08:21] <TraceRoute> im at my parents house sucking down bandwidth because i don't have high speed internet yet
[08:22] <ianliu_88> >.<
[08:23] <TraceRoute> i use to go down the street and get it in my car but i got pulled over by a cop and bout got in trouble
[08:24] <TraceRoute> oh well
[08:26] <ianliu_88> got to sleep... bye
[08:32] <danage> i'm having troubles with network manager and ath9k. it keeps asking me for the key and doesn't connect most of the times. when it does, i get no throughput. i have atheros 168c:0024
[08:33] <danage> anybody encounter the problem? should i open a bug report?
[09:23] <drunkenkilla> hello
[09:24] <drunkenkilla> i have installed in updated ubuntu intrepid right now
[09:25] <drunkenkilla> and now, when i want to update the system an error message is coming
[09:25] <drunkenkilla> Konnte http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/universe/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 nicht holen  Hash-Summe stimmt nicht
[09:25] <drunkenkilla> Einige Indexdateien konnten nicht heruntergeladen werden, sie wurden ignoriert oder alte an ihrer Stelle benutzt.
[09:26] <wgrant> drunkenkilla: You mirror is broken. Wait a few hours or switch to a different one.
[09:26] <drunkenkilla> ohh ok thx
[09:27] <Deadboys> can anyone help me, i cant seem to get my atheros AR5009 network card to work in intrepid
[09:27] <Deadboys> ive spoke with some people and they said it worked directly after installing but mine didnt for some reason
[09:33] <Indoctrine> This is just a general question, but does the new Ubuntu support Huawei E220 modems?
[09:36] <BUGabundo_work> yes it does Indoctrine, with NM 0.7
[09:36] <Indoctrine> Out of the box?
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> yes
[09:37] <Indoctrine> Cool. Thanks. :P
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> even on Hardy
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> if you install NM 0.7
[09:37] <Indoctrine> It doesn't work out of the box on Hardy
[09:37] <Indoctrine> Ah
[09:37] <Indoctrine> NM?
[09:37] <BUGabundo_work> Network Manager
[09:39] <Indoctrine> Errr, it IS installed, but it didn't work on Hardy.
[09:39] <Indoctrine> I don't have the modem with me, but I can tell you right now, it doesn't work out of the box.
[09:58] <BUGabundo_work> Indoctrine: for that modem, it should.
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> if it doesn't please file a bug
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkManager/Hardware/3G
[09:59] <BUGabundo_work> here is all you need
[10:29] <Indoctrine> BUGabundo_work: I don't have anything to go off except that it wouldn't connect when I put the details in and I don't think it even recognised the device.
[10:30] <Indoctrine> Could it be that it's an Australian provider, not Polish, Swedish or Austrian?
[10:36] <danage> ok wifi does not work at all on my current intrepid... is that something that i should bug report?
[10:37] <danage> i think a combination of ath9k and network manager are the culprit
[10:38] <ihtarlik> Hey guys!  I am trying to install Intrepid Beta, and Xorg refuses to load.  Does anyone know how to access the expert installer (if it exists)?
[10:45] <MiLK_MaN> hello, i was presented with a question asking if i wanted a combined status and logout button. i chose yes, but it spat out an error. any way on manually trying to do it?
[10:47] <ihtarlik> Hey guys!  I am trying to install Intrepid Beta, and Xorg refuses to load.  Does anyone know how to access the expert installer (if it exists)?
[10:48] <RicardoPerez> Hi! Can anybody test if left-arrow key goes slower than right-arrow key when you previously do?: xset r rate 10 50
[10:58] <Guillem__> I'm using evolution 2.22.3.1 at Hardy, from backports I guess. The calendar puts a red line wrongly: shows the UTC time instead my actual time. The "events" stuff at my clock shows the upcoming events offseted as well, so the alarm will show up too late. I'm not sure since when this is happening but I would say that it is something that has changed from the last week.
[10:59] <Guillem__> I'm at UTC+1 (Europe/Paris/Madrid)
[10:59] <Guillem__> The ntp clock is just OK.
[11:01] <freaky_t> 9 days to go :D
[11:17] <Jonah> hey guys i just installed the beta fresh and no i have no wireless with my rt61pci card. it worked great in hardy, does anyone know of a fix or even anyone else have this issue?
[11:18] <BUGabundo_work> Indoctrine: it shouldn't make a diff
[11:31] <bfc69> jonah: check out https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/284543
[11:35] <MiLK_MaN> hello, i was presented with a question asking if i wanted a combined status and logout button. i chose yes, but it spat out an error. any way on manually trying to do it?
[11:36] <Jonah> bfc69, cheers i'll check that out and try installing linux-firmware
[11:38] <haffi___> is this channel also for Kubuntu+1?
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> yes haffi___
[11:38] <BUGabundo_work> but there are many more gnome users
[11:39] <haffi___> OK, I've just got a question about using two monitors on my laptop, it's got an ATI card and the proprietary driver is setup and working correctly
[11:40] <haffi___> and the Display setcion in settings in KDE 4.1 just gives me one optio
[11:40] <haffi___> well it just shows me the laptop monitor and the external one is just a clone of the laptop monitor
[11:42] <haffi___> is there a setup utility for the ATI drivers
[11:42] <haffi___> ?
[11:55] <AnAnt_> Hello, when's the final release ?
[11:56] <zniavre> the 30th
[12:04] <AnAnt_> k
[12:06] <BUGabundo_work> !release
[12:11] <mercutio22> doodes, my windows shadows are brown for some reason
[12:11] <mercutio22> methinks its a bug
[12:18] <Supersaiyan_IV> just ran intrepid updates a few mins ago, anyone experiences crashes with pidgin?
[12:19] <kulight> Supersaiyan_IV: no
[12:19] <Supersaiyan_IV> i see, thx
[12:21] <MiLK_MaN> hello, i was presented with a question asking if i wanted a combined status and logout button. i chose yes, but it spat out an error. any way on manually trying to do it?
[12:22] <zr0gee> Hi all - what's the "safest" way to update intrepid ? The regular update-manager, or ?
[12:22] <MiLK_MaN> actually, i just worked out it works by itself once you load up Pidgin
[12:25] <Supersaiyan_IV> kulight, located the problem, the musictracker-plugin to pidgin produced crashes
[12:26] <Supersaiyan_IV> turning it off amde everything work again
[12:28] <zr0gee> I realize my question might sound silly, but I'm asking since I broke my last install doing some updating - and I think I used the update-manager :p
[12:28] <ikonia> zr0gee intrepid is still beta so there is no safe way to update
[12:29] <ikonia> zr0gee: any update could break your system - thats what happens with pre-release software
[12:29] <ikonia> zr0gee: if you don't want things to break - use ubuntu 8.04
[12:31] <zr0gee> ikonia, i see - thx. I know it's still beta, and I don't mind fiddling around with it, was just wondering if my way of updating was poor practice, that's all.
[12:32] <ikonia> zr0gee thats the aproved way
[12:32] <zr0gee> ikona, okay - thx :)
[12:41] <BUGabundo_work> Supersaiyan_IV: since yesterday it keeps crashinbg
[12:41] <BUGabundo_work> zr0gee: update-manager -d
[12:41] <BUGabundo_work> zr0gee: please read the release notes on Ubuntu web site
[12:41] <BUGabundo_work> Supersaiyan_IV: i0m using it too. let me disable it
[12:43] <cyberix> hello
[12:43] <cyberix> Just updated to the new beta release
[12:43] <cyberix> Why do I now have a Bazaar icon sitting in notification area?
[12:44] <Pici> How bizarre.
[12:47] <danage> ok wifi does not work at all on my current intrepid... is that something that i should bug report?
[12:47] <danage> i think a combination of ath9k and network manager are the culprit
[12:53] <kulight> any one had any problems with dns of two different isp via dhcp witch results in some pages not loading ?
[12:54] <moreati> lp bug 286285 is currently assigned to linux, but I think it also needs assigning to the intrepid source package. Is this doable?
[12:56] <Pici> moreati: 'linux' is the proper package for assigning kernel bugs to,.
[12:59] <AnAnt_> has anyone seen that bug in Intrepid: sometimes after I switch from a vt console to X, I cannot type anything, and I must restart X to be able to type
[13:00] <gaelfx> I'm trying to install Skype on AMD64 from medibuntu repos, but dpkg says the dependency on Skype-Common is not satisfiable, and yet I've installed it, does anyone have any idea what's going on?
[13:02] <AnAnt_> probably you got an old version of skype-common ?
[13:02] <kulight> gaelfx:its a bug in repos already reported
[13:03] <gaelfx> kulight: ah, k, thanks much
[13:12] <moreati> Pici: thank you, I was just a bit worried it wouldn't be spotted for Intrepid amongst the many others assigned to linux.
[13:12] <gaelfx> I also keep getting warnings that a crash report has been detected, but when I click the icon to view the report, nothing happens, and then the icon comes back. it seems like all admin apps are crashing, any ideas how to fix this?
[13:29] <BUGabundo_work> kulight: what is the skype lp bug ? I want to subsc! it is sitting in the buildgin queue for to long
[13:31] <kulight>  BUGabundo_work: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/286215
[13:31] <BUGabundo_work> thanks
[13:31] <gaelfx> yeah, Buga, me too, don't worry
[13:31] <BUGabundo_work> naa
[13:31] <BUGabundo_work> I havend update it yet
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> I know better then that
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> but if someone uses apt-get upgrade s/he will be screwed
[13:32] <gaelfx> haha, lucky
[13:32] <BUGabundo_work> that's why UM is so good. it checks dependicies builds
[13:32] <gaelfx> is it abnormal to have about 30-some packages not upgrading?
[13:33] <gaelfx> you mean YUM?
[13:34] <gaelfx> I can't seem to start any administrative apps, can someone help me identify the problem?
[13:34] <danage> is anybody still getting this bug with intrepid? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/189185
[13:39] <gaelfx> is there an alternative method for viewing crash reports? every time I click the icon to view it, it just ends up popping up with another crash report because it can't open whatever app it uses to view them
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> hummm
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> it looks like you have got a crahsed apport
[13:39] <BUGabundo_work> try deleting old crashs
[13:40] <BUGabundo_work> sudo rm /var/crash/*
[13:41] <gaelfx> so might that fix my admin apps?
[13:42] <kulight> any one had any problems with 2 dns of two different isp received via dhcp witch results in some random web pages not loading ?
[13:44] <gaelfx> hmm, weird, the apps under System->Administration still don't work, but they are no longer popping up crash reports...
[13:47] <gaelfx> well, it looks like a python issue, but I'm not too sure
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> gaelfx: reboot and try again
[13:48] <BUGabundo_work> kulight: that's what you get... maybe the Gateway is having trouble?
[13:49] <gaelfx> http://pastebin.com/d7d6cff64 here's the crash report for apport, had to gedit it in terminal to get to it though
[13:50] <kulight> BUGabundo_work: when putting open dns manually everything is fine
[13:51] <gaelfx> aw, ok, be back soon hopefully
[13:53] <BUGabundo_work> kulight: might be a prob with one of the DNS servers
[13:54]  * cwillu 's eyes tear up
[13:55] <kulight> BUGabundo_work: but when booting into win xp everything works fine
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> what's up cwillu ?
[14:00] <BUGabundo_work> you need to invistigate that better kulight
[14:00] <cwillu> bah, that was the wrong channel
[14:02] <kulight> BUGabundo_work: ןצ גםןמע אישא
[14:02] <kulight> BUGabundo_work:im doing that
[14:04] <unavailable> hey all, anyone have any ideas why compiz crashes in intrepid?
[14:04] <unavailable> and
[14:04] <unavailable> why compiz seems to make my lappy act autistic?
[14:05] <Pici> Can you rephrase that?
[14:05] <TheInfinity> unavailable: watch logs to analyze your probs
[14:05] <mercutio22> hello
[14:06] <mercutio22> My laptop media buttons are not working in intrepid ibex. Is it just me?
[14:13] <elvirolo> hi everyone
[14:13] <elvirolo> under kubuntu, sound seems to stop working after some time... why is that?
[14:19] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I just inserted Intrepid live cd into my macbook... I cannot right click using 2 fingers.. Any solution?
[14:20] <jrib> theDtTvB2`CZ: use 3 fingers
[14:20] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Oh great, thanks. It works... I can change that later in X configuration, right?
[14:20] <jrib> theDtTvB2`CZ: right, check the help.ubuntu.com page on the macbook santa rosa, it has a nice xorg.conf that sets up the mouse just like in os x
[14:20] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Well.. another problem I got is... To press alt I need to hold down fn+option...
[14:21] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Ok...
[14:21] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I found all that in help.ubuntu.com
[14:21] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Thanks very much!
[14:23] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I can't install any packages without internet... I have wireless LAN in my house.. Do I need to connect the LAN cable?
[14:29] <gaelfx> coming to you live via wireless :D
[14:31] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Oh great...
[14:32] <unavailable> you can create a download script then go to the one that has internet and download the packages
[14:33] <theDtTvB2`CZ> The wireless driver comes with Livecd.
[14:33] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Oops..
[14:33] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Nope, it does not.
[14:33] <aguitel> anyone use the last alternative cd to install intrepid ?
[14:41] <DanaG> Grr... damn Firefox just lost ALLLLLllll of my preferences.
[14:42] <BUGabundo_work> that's bad DanaG
[14:42] <charlie-tca> aguitel: yes, I did and it worked. There are new images today that are being tested in #ubuntu-testing
[14:42] <BUGabundo_work> I had that happen twice in two weeks with Kmail
[14:42] <BUGabundo_work> so I started using bzr to store all my confs/ini
[14:43] <aguitel> charlie-tca, is there live cd image from today ?
[14:43] <charlie-tca> Yes, both are available now. !Daily
[14:43] <charlie-tca> !daily
[14:47] <aguitel> charlie-tca, the image from last week has bug and is not working to install
[14:47] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Should I create /home partition on MacBook?
[14:47] <charlie-tca> don't install last weeks image, install todays
[14:48] <charlie-tca> Click on the links from ubottu and it takes you to todays images
[14:48] <aguitel> charlie-tca, ok
[14:51] <BUGabundo_work> or use Rsync to update the changes from your previous ISO
[14:52] <BUGabundo_work> that will save you from having to download the all thing again
[14:52] <BUGabundo_work> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BUGabundo/ISORsync
[14:52] <BUGabundo_work> aguitel: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[14:54] <aguitel> BUGabundo_work, no problem
[15:04] <aapzak> guys, bonobo-activation-server problems, can anybody help?
[15:05] <aapzak> I know it happens when I use gdm to login, it does not happen when I use kdm
[15:06]  * burner wonders what uses bonobo still... i thought it was getting deprecated
[15:07] <aapzak> well, both nautilus and gnome-panel use it I think
[15:09] <aapzak> the two popups I get when I login are about them
[15:11] <burner> yeah sorry, wish I knew what was up
[15:11] <aapzak> I cannot believe that I find bug reports from 2006 about this same problem
[15:15] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I don't install it using refit....
[15:15] <theDtTvB2`CZ> And it does not show up in the menu.
[15:16] <_daqing> I installed ubuntu 8.10 on my new MacBook(402) , but the wireless network doesn't work
[15:16] <aguitel> _daqing, what is your chipset ?
[15:17] <_daqing> processor	: 1
[15:17] <_daqing> vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
[15:17] <_daqing> cpu family	: 6
[15:17] <_daqing> model		: 23
[15:17] <_daqing> model name	: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T8100  @ 2.10GHz
[15:17] <_daqing> stepping	: 6
[15:18] <_daqing> I also followed the ubuntu wiki on installing ubuntu on macbook
[15:19] <aguitel> _tipe lspci to look in you wireless chipset
[15:20] <_daqing> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4328 802.11a/b/g/n (rev 03)
[15:21] <aguitel> _daqing, it work in hardy or gutsy ?
[15:22] <_daqing> well, I haven't tested it on hardy or gutsy so I don't know .
[15:23] <aguitel> _daqing, first time in ubuntu ?
[15:23] <theDtTvB2`CZ> @_daqing! BCM4328, maybe you can follow this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook_Santa_Rosa
[15:24] <_daqing> no, but first time using ubuntu on macbook
[15:24] <_daqing> daqing@daqing-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep ath
[15:24] <_daqing> ath_pci               217784  0
[15:24] <_daqing> wlan                  240112  1 ath_pci
[15:24] <_daqing> ath_hal               259552  1 ath_pci
[15:24] <aguitel> _daqing, see taht link
[15:25] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I can't boot up Ubuntu in my MacBook without refit...
[15:26] <theDtTvB2`CZ> When I hold down option when booting it only says "Macintosh HD".....
[15:26] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I can, however, boot to ubuntu by inserting a live CD and go to "Boot from first hd"
[15:26] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Any solutions?
[15:26] <_daqing> oh, thank you
[15:28] <unavailable> finally got my onboard mic to work
[15:28] <unavailable> every boot
[15:28] <unavailable> it involved a script, pkill pulseaudio, and the re-configuration of alsamixer to set capture and digital to cap on and input device to i-Mic
[15:30] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Maybe I have to use Refit.
[15:38] <dfgas> i did an upgrade in my vm, and it sitting at updating grub.... done
[15:48] <evilidler> I am running Kubuntu 8.10 64-bit with the default generic kernel, but it only detects 2.7GB memory, like a 32-bit kernel. What kernel can I use?
[15:48] <Pici> evilidler: What does uname -a say?
[15:49] <evilidler> Pici: Linux vulbuzo 2.6.27-4-generic #1 SMP Wed Sep 24 01:29:06 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[15:49] <Pici> evilidler: And the 'mem:' line of free -m  ?
[15:49] <evilidler> Mem:       2830728    2719132     111596          0     131480    1905008
[15:51] <Pici> evilidler: And you're sure that your BIOS is seeing all that memory?
[15:51] <evilidler> Pici: Well, my BIOS is 32-bit, so it only sees that. But 64-bit systems DO see all 4GB at once.
[15:52] <evilidler> Pici: That means Vista or hack OS X or whatever :)
[15:52] <evilidler> Pici: Ubuntu 8.04 64-bit also did the right thing
[15:53] <Pici> Hmm..
[15:53] <Pici> evilidler: And I assume that /proc/meminfo also says only 2.7gb, right?
[15:54] <evilidler> MemTotal:      2830728 kB
[15:54] <evilidler> It is weird, because I definitely have 4GB of working memory, and that kernel IS 64-bit, right?
[15:55] <Pici> evilidler: It is, but thats not the latest kernel version.  Try updating first and then if it still reports incorrectly, file a bug. The kernel package name on launchpad is 'linux'
[15:55] <evilidler> Pici: Cheers, I will
[15:55]  * evilidler is rebooting
[15:56] <Pici> evilidler: latest is: Linux romulus 2.6.27-7-generic #1 SMP Fri Oct 17 22:24:21 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux (for 32, but should be the same for 64)
[15:59] <demontager> what is good offline translaor for Ubuntu, russian-english?
[16:01] <evilidler> Pici: Dang, still 2.7GB. Going to log it as a bug :/
[16:03] <BUGabundo> Pici: can my BIOS be the reason why I only see 3.8GiBs?
[16:04] <BUGabundo> total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[16:04] <BUGabundo> Mem:          3960       3721        238          0        108       2091
[16:04] <BUGabundo> -/+ buffers/cache:       1521       2438
[16:04] <BUGabundo> Swap:         7632          0       7632
[16:04] <Pici> BUGabundo: no, what you have is normal, there will be some space used by registers and whatnot.
[16:05] <evilidler> Those are the numbers I am wishing for now :)
[16:05] <BUGabundo> MemTotal:      4055376 kB
[16:05] <BUGabundo> plus I have a nvidia that does hyper memory
[16:05] <BUGabundo> 256 On card, plus up to 256 on system ram
[16:08] <aguitel> is intrepid final comming with office 3.0 version ?
[16:08] <evilidler> How do I go about reporting a bug in 2.6.27-7-generic?
[16:11] <doktoreas> hello everybpdy
[16:11] <doktoreas> anyone got some troubles with network-manager in interpid?
[16:11] <doktoreas> I can't see the icon in the tray anymore
[16:13] <soto> How do I upgrade to Intrepid from Hardy via the command line?
[16:14] <gouki> Hi. Is there an minimal cd .ISO for Intrepid already? Thought I'd ask, since it's not listed here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[16:14] <evilidler> soto: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade, plus a prayer to your deity of choice
[16:15] <soto> evilidler: My understanding was that that did not run some special upgrading scripts.
[16:15] <Pici> gouki: Did you try changing the urls to say intrepid instead of hardy/dapper/etc?
[16:15] <soto> evilidler: I believe I got bit last time by that when evms was disabled.
[16:16] <evilidler> gouki: Are you after small download size, or just a small installation to update from?
[16:16] <evilidler> soto: Ah..I think I have the scars, now that I think about it
[16:16] <gouki> Pici, indeed. http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/intrepid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/mini.iso
[16:17] <soto> There is do-release-upgrade but I can't find much documentation about it
[16:17] <soto> or any for that matter
[16:17] <soto> Do I want 'proposed' or 'devel' for example.
[16:17] <Pici> soto: do-release-upgrade --help
[16:17] <Pici> soto: Intrepid is devel
[16:17] <gouki> Pici, should I edit the page or leave it up to cjwatson?
[16:18] <Pici> gouki: I'd leave it like it is until Intrepid is actually released.
[16:18] <soto> Pici: Thanks. Another question, does that do a search/replace on sources.list?
[16:18] <gouki> Pici, OK. Only asked because there is a reference at the bottom of the page for unstable/testing builds. Thanks.
[16:19] <Pici> soto: I'm not sure if it does a search/replace or if it just replaces it.  I'd comment out 3rd party repositories  just to be safe.
[16:19] <soto> Pici: Replacing out-right would not be very nice.
[16:20] <Pici> soto: It wouldnt be, but I can't remember what it did on my installs.
[16:20] <soto> Pici: Yeah I wasn't questioning you, just commenting.
[16:21] <Pici> soto: Maybe it comments everything out and adds new stuff. That sounds familiar, but I may be thinking of another file.
[16:22] <soto> Pici: I guess I want to be sure to use the -m flag?
[16:23] <Pici> soto: I've actually never used it.
[16:23] <doktoreas> anyone has troubles with nm-applet?
[16:24] <petersaints> I have 2 64-bit capable computers with 2GB of RAM... with the release of Intrepid should I use the 32-bit or 64-bit this time?
[16:28] <evilidler> petersaints: I am having problems with full RAM detection right now. I suggest you boot the CD/DVD in live mode and check if everything is detected properly.
[16:30] <petersaints> but you probably have 4GB of RAM... 2GB are usually not a problem even for 32-bit!
[16:31] <theDtTvB2`CZ> In intrepid where can I find hardware information
[16:31] <evilidler> petersaints: Yeah, but 4GB is one way of quickly seeing that it actually runs in the desired mode :)
[16:32] <lemonade> theDtTvB2`CZ: on command line sudo lshw
[16:33] <theDtTvB2`CZ> Ahh bcm4328 for me...
[16:33] <theDtTvB2`CZ> @lemonade! Thanks.
[16:33] <swuboo> 3 gigs can be enough to have detection problems in 32 if you have a pair of ridiculous graphics cards.
[16:33] <hoonteke> will badram or equivalent functionality be included in Intrepid?
[16:34] <charlie-tca> hoonteke: you mean like the memory test on the Grub menu?
[16:34] <evilidler> swuboo: I have one semi-ridiculous card, but also integrated graphics that eat 8MB even while off. On 32-bit systems, I end up at 2.7GB :/
[16:35] <soto> Does anyone know what procedure grub uses to determine where the boot partition is stored when creating menu.lst?
[16:35] <swuboo> evilidler:  If the total of system RAM and graphics RAM exceeds 4 gigs, your system will see exactly four gigs.  In 32, of course.
[16:35] <hoonteke> charlie-tca: no, I mean the badram kernel module/patch.  That is, I have a some memory and I have a few bad bits.  I'd like to use the rest of teh chips, and just not allocate those bits.
[16:36] <evilidler> swuboo: Yep, expansion cards will use addressing space below 4GB. But my current problem is that I am running 64-bit and still only get 2.7GB in Intrepid :(
[16:36] <hoonteke> charlie-tca: I'm sort of a glorified end-user.  I could figure how to add a boot param to the kernel command line, but there's no way I could compile my own kernel
[16:36] <swuboo> evilidler:  That, that's peculiar.  I've never had any detection problems with Ubuntu 64 of any version.
[16:36] <evilidler> swuboo: Worked fine in 8.04. I have reported it as a bug.
[16:37] <swuboo> evilidler:  Fair deal.
[16:37] <charlie-tca> got it.
[16:37] <petersaints> I also found a bug on the LiveCD... it doesn't work on Safe Graphics mode
[16:37] <petersaints> I mean it does nothing... it still loads the NV drivers instead of VESA
[16:38] <petersaints> my Graphics Card just hates the NV drivers (or vice-versa)
[16:38] <petersaints> and I jave to use VESA and later install the proprietary drivers
[16:38] <petersaints> it seems that with Intrepid I'll have to use the alternate CD on this computer
[16:39] <evilidler> Booting the live/installer CD took almost no time at all on a laptop, but this computer took 10 minutes to even reach the first step of installation, and another 10 to finish the steps before installing packages.
[16:39] <petersaints> and after install get to the Terminal and install it myself (it's not a serious problem for me but it's just boring :P)
[16:40] <evilidler> I at least get X on this 8800GTS. Now I am wondering i I should bother to get the proprietary driver before the memory issue is fixed.
[16:42] <lucax> hey guys, is intrepid ibex coming with clear intrepid as default gnome-theme?
[16:43] <elli222> I thought they were making a theme called walllight... or people want them to anyway...
[16:44] <KR-data> how to I configure a multibutton mouse in Intrepid? I used btnx before, but it doesn't seem to work after I upgraded
[16:44] <lucax> ive seen a clear intrepid image, quite nice... i just wanted to know, i think ubuntu needs a change of look... just an opinion...
[16:45] <Pici> I believe that the theme change was postponed.
[16:45] <elli222> I have a problem with xnest... it seems that connecting to myself fails...
[16:45] <lucax> i hope they consider changing it now... well... thanks for the info
[16:46] <elli222> i ran it from a terminal and it said:" config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed " any idea as to what i'm doing wrong?
[16:47] <aguitel> i have an yahoo e-mail acount ,how backup all ?
[16:51] <DaveTarmac> Hi all - I know yuou prbably get asked this a lot, but where did my network settings go?
[16:52] <DaveTarmac> I just upgrded from 8.04 where everything worked out of the box, but now for some reason my network settings have vanished and I cannot connect to my wireless network
[16:53] <TheOV> DaveTarmac: Networkmanager is not in the tray?
[16:54] <DaveTarmac> TheOV: nope - I just added Netowr Monitor, but tha doesn
[16:54] <soto> Can someone tell me what the default owner/group and permission flags for /boot is?
[16:54] <DaveTarmac> that doesn't seem to be what I'm after... unless I'm missing something
[16:54] <TheOV> it should be loaded automatically
[16:54] <TheOV> network monitor wouldn't do anything
[16:55] <DaveTarmac> whas the package - i'll make sure it's installed
[16:55] <TheOV> try running 'sudo NetworkManager'
[16:56] <Pici> soto: drwxr-xr-x   3 root root  4096 2008-10-18 00:11 boot
[16:56] <DaveTarmac> nothing's happening...
[16:56] <TheOV> make sure you have the network-manager-gnome package
[16:57] <DaveTarmac> according to synaptic, it's installed
[16:57] <TheOV> do you need to connect to a wireless network?
[16:57] <DaveTarmac> yes - i do
[16:58] <TheOV> try installing rutilt
[16:58] <soto> Pici: Thanks
[16:58] <Pici> soto: sure
[16:58] <TheOV> which is better than networkmanager anyway
[16:58] <DaveTarmac> can i do that without a network connection?
[16:59] <TheOV> oh hmm
[16:59] <TheOV> probably not...
[16:59] <TheOV> lol
[16:59] <TheOV> in a terminal, type iwconfig
[16:59] <DaveTarmac> be with you in 2 ticks - trying a windows trick
[16:59] <TheOV> lol ok
[17:00] <TheOV> reboot?
[17:00] <DaveTarmac> yip!
[17:00] <DaveTarmac> how did you guess?
[17:00] <TheOV> that is THE windows trick
[17:00] <TheOV> :D
[17:00] <DaveTarmac> that and hit it and see what happens
[17:02] <DaveTarmac> whadya know - it worked
[17:02] <DaveTarmac> I learnt something positive from Windows
[17:03] <TheOV> lol
[17:03] <TheOV> did you run upgrades just before?
[17:03] <TheOV> because networkmanager was just upgraded, and that required a reboot
[17:03] <DaveTarmac> yeah, went through the upgrdes then it rebooted my machine
[17:04] <TheOV> hmm
[17:04] <DaveTarmac> hmm - my title bar seems to keep disappearing too
[17:05] <TheOV> that might be compiz
[17:05] <DaveTarmac> guss that's not quite ready for Ibex yet then
[17:05] <swuboo> I remember nvidia having problems in older versions of Ubuntu with title bars.
[17:05] <TheOV> it's nvidia
[17:05] <TheOV> i've always had it with compiz
[17:05] <TheOV> any distro, for years
[17:05] <DaveTarmac> marvellous
[17:05] <swuboo> There was a line you could add to xorg.config to fix it.
[17:06] <swuboo> I have no idea what that line was, but google might help.
[17:06] <TheOV> It doesn't bother me much
[17:06] <swuboo> Something involving xargs and RGB.
[17:06] <swuboo> Me neither, unless I need to close or minimize something, or bring it to the front.
[17:07] <DaveTarmac> I'll be sure to look out for that fix then
[17:08] <swuboo> I'd check my xorg.conf, but the automagic version no longer requires it in 8.04.
[17:08] <swuboo> Ask me again in, um, half an hour whether I need it in Ibex.
[17:08] <DaveTarmac> upgrading?
[17:08] <TheOV> you don't need xorg.conf in ibex
[17:08] <swuboo> DaveTarmac:  As we speak.
[17:08] <TheOV> unless you want to use the proprietary nvidia driver
[17:09] <TheOV> and then it just adds that info into xorg.conf
[17:09] <TheOV> otherwise, there's nothing
[17:09] <bsnider> you need xorg.conf if you are running a proprietary graphcis driver
[17:09] <DaveTarmac> remember to reboot after the computer reboots if networ-manager-gnome doesn't start
[17:09] <swuboo> I am and will be using the proprietary driver.
[17:09] <digdug> I can't switch workplaces with effects enabled
[17:09] <TheOV> digdug: install compizconfig-settings-manager
[17:09] <DaveTarmac> and backup any VPN settings... I've just been told mine doesn
[17:09] <DaveTarmac> doesn't have any VPN secrets
[17:10] <TheOV> and then go to system > preferences > Compizconfig settings manager
[17:10] <TheOV> and enable either the desktop wall plugin or the rotate cube plugin
[17:10] <digdug> sweet, thanks
[17:11] <digdug> it worked before, did it break with a recent upgrade, or because I had disabled effects and turned them back on?
[17:11] <TheOV> maybe
[17:11] <swuboo> Or because Ubuntu provided new default settings.
[17:11] <TheOV> i don't know
[17:11] <elli222> hey, ive tried to use tsclient on myself, my xrdp server works fine, but now my xnest gives me this: config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
[17:11] <swuboo> Every time I've used the Appearance manager to change anything, it's corrupted my compiz settings so that I had to reload them via compiz.
[17:11] <elli222> any ideas on how to fix it?
[17:12] <TheOV> elli222: I've never had that problem...
[17:13] <elli222> TheOV but i do! i can use Xnest on other computers though...
[17:13] <elli222> <<<dosent know how to PM
[17:13] <TheOV> elli222: /msg nick message
[17:20] <fh> hi there. anyone tried the intrepid with dell xps m1330?
[17:21] <zniavre> i bellived xnest was a tool to make a gdm screenshot ...  dumb i ma
[17:21] <zniavre> am*
[17:22] <elli222> xnest is a nested xserver that runs inside another xserver
[17:22] <elli222> i just get some stupid hal message
[17:22] <elli222> (EE) config/hal: NewInputDeviceRequest failed
[17:34] <wishie> is the version of HAL to be included in Intrepid mature enough to take over the role of hotkey-setup ?
[17:35] <Lunar_Lamp> I've looked around on the wiki, but I can't find the release timeline :-/
[17:35] <AdamDH> hi, wifi manager will not connect to our cisco based wlan network that is secure with wpa, TKIP, AES CCM any ideas?
[17:35] <Lunar_Lamp> !timeline
[17:36] <Jordan_U> When I plug in headphones my internal speakers don't mute
[17:37] <TheOV> are you all up-to-date?
 am on kubuntu 8.10 beta and noticed two flaws: #1 I got an atheros wlan card and the udev setup tries to load both, the kernel based ath5k driver and the atheros hal driver (ath_pci, ath_hal etc etc), fixed that by blacklisting the ath5k module (which doesn't work for my card)          #2: klogd starts dd as childprocess to write the logfile (odd enough!) and uses 50% cpu time -which is in my case 100% of one of the cores I got on my
[17:38] <Vonor> cpu
[17:40] <soto> Is it normal that libflashsupport is removed on upgrade to Intrepid?
[17:43] <kulight> soto: i think it's only for flash 9 and 8.10 comes with flash 10 which do not need the package
[17:43] <soto> kulight: Alright, thanks.
[17:57] <NET||abuse> hmm, i wanted to get a sub note book type laptop, but just wondering about tte capabilities. compiz at all?
[17:58] <NET||abuse> if i plug into external TV via VGA, what kind of video playback can it manage? I have my own, real not pirated dvd collection and i like to have on the laptop, and some high def content, will it play that back at all?
[17:59] <NET||abuse> not even decided between dell, asus, acer or umm that wind one.
[17:59] <petersaints> I'm really indecisive wether I should install Intrepid 32-bit or 64-bit on my C2D T7500/2GB DDR2-677 laptop!!
[17:59] <NET||abuse> MSI wind, that's it
[18:00] <petersaints> an MSI Wind doesn't have a DVD player
[18:00] <petersaints> so you won't be able to play those DVDs
[18:00] <petersaints> unless you rip them or make ISOs out of them
[18:00] <petersaints> or get a external DVD player xD
[18:00] <petersaints> * an external
[18:01] <NET||abuse> petersaints: i meant i have the dvd rips already
[18:01] <NET||abuse> did them on the desktop.
[18:01] <petersaints> well... if that's the case it should be able to decode it properly
[18:02] <petersaints> but HD content... hmmm... 720p maybe but 1080p I really doubt it!
[18:02] <NET||abuse> we made a little NAS jukebox at home to stream them for anyone who wants to watch one on their laptops, all 4 of us in the house have lappy's and some good media collections.
[18:02] <NET||abuse> yeh, don't think i will wish for 1080, but 720p, ~4 gig movies.
[18:05] <bsnider> NET||abuse, it depends on CPU horsepower more than anything else
[18:13] <solarion> how do I get debugging symbols for gnome-terminal?
[18:14] <NET||abuse> bsnider: ok,, well when it comes to choosing, I should take the selection of models and choose the one with the kickinest cpu and gpu
[18:15] <NET||abuse> The models i'm looking at are the acer 1000h(80GB hdd not sdd much better. , the aspire one, dell latitude mini, hp mini
[18:15] <bsnider> NET||abuse, i doubt the gpu has much to say about it. video playback would all be shunted to the cpu
[18:15] <NET||abuse> yeh, spose..
[18:15] <NET||abuse> gpu though as i'd love to have compiz :)
[18:16] <bsnider> you might as well buy a full-blown laptop
[18:16] <solarion> I think I found a meta-package
[18:18] <bsnider> where did you lose it?
[18:20] <solarion> nope, no meta-package
[18:20] <solarion> erm, no debugging symbols
[18:20] <solarion> so where can I find gnome-terminal debugging symbols to get a bt for bug 286823
[18:23] <solarion> nobody?
[18:26] <DanaG> Supposedly, HP is going to upgrading the mini-note some time before the end of the year.
[18:27] <NET||abuse> bsnider: full blown laptop,, well, naw.. i want something that'll do just that much, but is more compact, and doesn't cost more than 400
[18:27] <NET||abuse> so if it's a bit bigger than eeePC ok, but not as big as the 15" fecker i have now
[18:27] <NET||abuse> 12" maybe 13",
[18:27] <bsnider> you want to have your cake and eat it too
[18:27] <NET||abuse> just would love it if the 10" could do enough for me
[18:27] <NET||abuse> bsnider: damn right, i LOVE cake
[18:28] <NET||abuse> but the cake's a lie
[18:28]  * DanaG wonders why nobody notices the SPACE in "Eee PC"
[18:28] <NET||abuse> DanaG: i noticed, just lazy
[18:29] <NET||abuse> damn aperture science.
[18:29] <NET||abuse> i want to eat the cake
[18:32] <NET||abuse> wow, just read the urban dictionary entry for the cake is a lie,, didn't know it refered to online child porn history, fuck that ruins the portal joke for me now,,,,, or kind of explains it too
[18:32] <Pici> Thats not really on-topic or appropriate for this channel.
[18:33] <NET||abuse> Pici: sorry,, long day, forgot to watch my p's & q's, the entry is interesting though. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=the+cake+is+a+lie
[18:34] <NET||abuse> but on topic,,  i'll get back ontopic,, anyone running ibex with a sub note book and compiz at all?
[18:34] <NET||abuse> this would be enough, the video is not so important.
[18:34] <NET||abuse> i'm more interested on having something to use as a much more portable dev environment, and honestly, i love having compiz as part of my daily coding life
[18:36] <NET||abuse> all i ask is a 2lbs notebook, capable of running evolution, liferea, serveral terminals, vim, svn, bzr, firefox and 20 or so tabs, tomboy, pidgin, rhythmbox, open office, kivio, dia, and any fun stuff I find in the repos.... then i'll be happy...
[18:37] <NET||abuse> not asking for the sky and the stars or anything
[18:37] <Pici> NET||abuse: If you're asking for hardware advice, maybe #ubuntu-offtopic can help.
[18:38] <NET||abuse> Pici: ok,
[18:42] <siriusnova> hi
[18:43] <bofh80> hi chaps, i did fresh beta install, got all the updates, only problem i'm having at the moment is screen resolution. http://pastebin.com/d11f3f70d   < that's my xorg.conf. My setup dual screens, seperate X, my problem, is the first screen does not show at 1280x1024 as it should when i log in, i have to change it from 1024x768 up in nvidia-settings. any help? much appreciate.
[18:46] <NET||abuse> bofh80: you may have to stipulate the infoorder on the screen1 also.
[18:46] <NET||abuse> the second section maybe overiding the metamode directive
[18:46] <NET||abuse> not likely.. but just in case
[18:47] <NET||abuse> bit of a guess here though :)
[18:47] <NET||abuse> been about 1.5 years since my last twinview setup
[18:47] <NET||abuse> home!!!! dinner..
[18:47] <NET||abuse> later
[18:59] <W8TAH> anyone around who has compiled carrier (funpidgin) from source on kde 4?
[19:02] <kansan> is there any support for the intel p31 chipset in intrepid?
[19:02] <kansan> specifically on board ethernet
[19:03] <bsnider> bofh80, wrong xorg.conf
[19:06] <bofh80> bsnider, wrong? since i wanted seperate X screens i used nvidia-settings to do it. to make that work you have to run nvidia-xorg tool to generate a conf it likes . . .
[19:07] <bsnider> bofh80, not with the new x server you don't
[19:08] <bsnider> keep the 2 screen sections, the device section, and get rid of everything else
[19:08] <bofh80> bsnider, cool, i don't mind doing that
[19:08] <bofh80> bsnider, thanks, i'll give it a whirl
[19:08] <bsnider> do not use any nvidia tools to create or modify the xorg.conf file anymore
[19:09] <bofh80> bsnider, i didn't know how else to make it pick up my screens .  ..
[19:09] <bofh80> bsnider, the manual walk throughs are tedious and since i don't know what all of it does still pointless me trying to it to just mess aruond with OLD manual information heheh
[19:15] <theBishop> has anyone noticed certain apps are nearly unreadable with the new DarkRoom theme?
[19:17] <tulpe_> do i have to install anything special to get the font preview working in nautilus?
[19:18] <tulpe_> fonts:/// as a location also fails with an error message
[19:18] <bsnider> theBishop, no doubt, since that theme is highly unpolished. try dust instead
[19:19] <theBishop> bsnider, dust ins?
[19:19] <bsnider> you can find that theme in a package called "community-themes"
[19:21] <theBishop> bsnider, ok, i'll check that out
[19:21] <theBishop> here's a pic: http://i37.tinypic.com/245lspc.png
[19:26] <cristian> Hello, I'm using latest II. The network manager applet doesn't see my usb gsm modem if I plug it after boot. If it's already plugged in when I turn on the pc, then it's seen correctly as ppp0. Is this a bug or is there a way to configure it?
[19:29] <heiner> Firefox often crashs on 8.10 for me...anything known ?
[19:38] <theBishop> heiner, same here
[19:38] <theBishop> heiner, run it from a terminal and paste the output when it crashes
[19:38] <noelferreira> any good news with proprietary nvidia drivers for old cards (Geforce 3 TI 200)?
[19:38] <heiner> Okay.
[19:38] <heiner> Yes!
[19:38] <heiner> noelferreira: Mee too!
[19:38] <bsnider> noelferreira, no
[19:39] <noelferreira> any good hopes?
[19:39] <heiner> My GeForce4 MX 440 does not really work fine... .
[19:39] <heiner> Xserver often crashs immediatley.
[19:40] <bsnider> buy newer hardware
[19:40] <heiner> For me IT IS new ;)
[19:45] <cristian> Can anybody at least tell me what is the relevant package for a bug report?
[19:45] <Minty95> whenadding a printer shared on a vista machine, should I choose APSocket .. or windows printer via samba ?
[19:46] <bigfox> Minty95:  I would try windows printer via samba.
[19:51] <W8TAH> im working on installing a package from source - to find all the missing deps etc - -im runing and re-running ./configure -- is there something i need to be doing to keep cruft from accumulating or is it not a problem?
[19:52] <xray7224> hey i need help with my wireless
[19:54] <xray7224> my wireless card is the rtl8187b and it connects and a few seconds later it disconnects but the network manager app doesnt show it doing disconnecting just i carnt ping anything
[19:56] <W8TAH> xray7224, try shutting down (via cli) your wired connection
[19:56] <W8TAH> ive hit a similar problme and that seems to resolve it
[19:57] <xray7224> so ifconfig eth0 down ?
[19:57] <W8TAH> ya
[19:57] <W8TAH> technically sudo ifconfig eth0 down
[19:58] <xray7224> yer sorry i never add sudo because i sudo -i at the begining :)
[19:59] <W8TAH> ahh - ok
[20:01] <xray7224> right well im running on wireless now
[20:01] <xray7224> it doesnt seem to have dropped out
[20:02] <W8TAH> cool
[20:03] <W8TAH> im running on kubuntu 8.10 (fully updated) and trying to build CarrierIM (pidgin fork) im hitting the following error in the make stage http://pastebin.ca/1233068  can someone offer some guidance... PLEASE?
[20:05] <W8TAH> never mind -- found it
[20:06] <xray7224_> hey sorry about that my network died
[20:08] <xray7224_> i dont understand
[20:08] <xray7224_> is the rtl8187b a beta driver or something
[20:10] <Nyquist333> I have a question about the network manager. First it says that my "auto eth0" is never connected, even though it is the default connection. Second, it always set the mtu to automatic which does not work.
[20:12] <mattik> Hello, I have rare problem in intrepid, wireless works some time and end to working. I cannot use internet in kubuntu.
[20:13] <mattik> My wireless device is intel bg2200
[20:14] <heiner_> Should I send the firefox crash output on pastebin?
[20:14] <mattik> I'm not sure is this error because of crash after flash instaling or because of kernel update
[20:16] <heiner_> Firefox crash:       http://pastebin.com/m195ed4a8
[20:19] <bsnider> heiner_, no one but you has these problems with firefox. so is this likely to be A) a problem that we are all somehow able to prevent with the power of magic, or B) a problem with your specific system?
[20:20] <bsnider> it's probably an incompatible extension or a corrupt file. try removing your userland config files and launching it totally fresh
[20:20] <heiner_> bsnider: My system runs almost very fine! Got everything working fast! But from time to time X11 and Firefox crashs :(.
[20:20] <heiner_> Just installed Kubuntu 8.10 beta :(.
[20:21] <bsnider> you installed the beta cd from 3 weeks ago?
[20:23] <heiner_> I installed...damn...i dunno ... . How can i found out which version i use?
[20:23] <bsnider> just apply all of the updates please
[20:23] <bsnider> otherwise you're looking at bugs that have been fixed for weeks
[20:24] <heiner_> I just updated it yesterday.
[20:24] <Killeroid> hello, how do i stop gnome-panel from starting up when i log in
[20:24] <bsnider> you don't. it's an integral part of gnome
[20:24] <Killeroid> i used to be able to do that in hardy
[20:24] <bsnider> if you say so
[20:24] <cypherdelic> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/284951 what do you think?
[20:25] <bsnider> _that_ is a high importance bug?
[20:25] <cypherdelic> its more  in general about all gamepads
[20:25] <bsnider> how absurd
[20:25] <Killeroid> bsnider: try and be helpful, when you have no idea about something, dont act like you do
[20:25] <bsnider> ok, well if htat's the case, i guess it's important
[20:25] <cypherdelic> why is it absurd?
[20:26] <heiner_> oh...sorry bsnider...
[20:26] <heiner_> bsnider....i got 8.04 installed :-S
[20:26] <heiner_> sorry
[20:27] <bsnider> cypherdelic, i said that because the bug says it only affects one gamepad. but obviously if it's all gamepads, that's a different story
[20:27] <crdlb> Killeroid: the panel is rather important to gnome ... but gnome-session has been rewritten, and gnome-session-remove seems to have disappeared
[20:27] <cypherdelic> bsnider: isn't a default panel that has a major memory leak nice ;)
[20:28] <cypherdelic> bsnider: the discussion inside that bug report is interestant, because you see how gamepad will be handle in Final if you dont do something => broke!
[20:29] <bsnider> Killeroid, to the best of my knowledge, gnome-panel cannot be removed. the bottom panel can be. but not the top panel. if you remove the top panel, i don't believe that's something gnome developers will support
[20:29] <Killeroid> crdlb: yeah,thanks  i noticed,
[20:29] <bsnider> in other words, it's a hack
[20:30] <cypherdelic> "Since accepting this package before RC would require respinning all images to get them up-to-date, and I don't think this is critical enough to justify accepting it between RC and final (in particular, game support is not all that relevant to liveCDs), I think we should handle this as an SRU post-release. I've rejected the package from the unapproved queue for now." - Steve Langasek
[20:31] <cypherdelic> whith what do you tet your game devices, before you install your distribution? 100points correct answer: The LiveCD ;D
[20:31] <cypherdelic> OMG
[20:32] <theBishop> heiner_, did you get a firefox error yet?
[20:33] <heiner_> yes
[20:33] <theBishop> did it look like this: firefox: /build/buildd/cairo-1.8.0/src/cairo-ft-font.c:622: _cairo_ft_unscaled_font_unlock_face: Assertion `unscaled->lock_count > 0' failed.  Aborted (core dumped) ??
[20:33] <cypherdelic> YOU DONT KNOW WHAT'S AN ANGUISH IT IS TO PLAY 8 BUTTONS + D-PAD ON JUST THE KEYBOARD WITH TWO HANDS, YOU NON-PLAying maintainers .d
[20:34] <theBishop> cypherdelic, get yourself a gamepad.
[20:34] <Pici> cypherdelic: You need to calm down.
[20:34] <cypherdelic> theBishop: lol thats the point
[20:34] <cypherdelic> i have one not working in intrepid ibex
[20:34] <cypherdelic> BUT NO GAMEPAD WORKS IN IBEX
[20:34] <cypherdelic> you can buy hundrets ;)
[20:34] <Pici> cypherdelic: No need for the caps.
[20:35] <theBishop> 360 controller no worky?
[20:35] <theBishop> ?
[20:35] <cypherdelic> for X yes, but not any games
[20:35] <heiner_> theBishop: http://pastebin.com/m195ed4a8
[20:35] <cypherdelic> watch that bug first please if you have questions
[20:36] <theBishop> heiner_, interesting, just segfault and die
[20:36] <theBishop> heiner_, try it a couple more times
[20:36] <heiner_> Okay. But it's not on 8.10
[20:37] <cypherdelic> i already went 3times back to the shop and took another gamepad until i found out it was a update on xserver that broke all
[20:37] <cypherdelic> and somehow theyre not willing to fix it for final
[20:37] <theBishop> cypherdelic, does it work in Hardy?
[20:37] <cypherdelic> i going mad
[20:37] <cypherdelic> yes
[20:38] <theBishop> cypherdelic, then use Hardy
[20:38] <cypherdelic> hardy works proper, its in that bugfile
[20:38] <theBishop> Intrepid = beta software = buggy
[20:38] <cypherdelic> i dont want to use hardy
[20:38] <aatk> Hey, does anyone have a Belkin G wireless usb dongle?
[20:38] <cypherdelic> theBishop: if you would have read the damn bugreport
[20:38] <bsnider> aatk, it isn't working?
[20:38] <cypherdelic> theBishop:  it is announced not to be fixed in INTREPID Ibex final
[20:39] <bigfox> aatk:  I do.
[20:39] <cypherdelic> am i your mommy that corrects you, makes no fun chatting with you
[20:39] <ChaoZero> evening...
[20:39] <aatk> bsnider: It works on a fresh install of Ibex, however attempting to update/upgrade has nuked it the last few times
[20:39] <cypherdelic> you ask think that i have to rewrite, but you think gamin is to unimportant to read a bugfile, huh
[20:39] <bsnider> nuked?
[20:39] <aatk> Trying to reinstall the firmware doesn't seem to fix this problem either
[20:40] <bsnider> more details...
[20:40] <aatk> It's broken the wireless
[20:40] <theBishop> cypherdelic, you'd attract more bees with honey
[20:40] <ChaoZero> does anyone have experience with the RTL8187b under 8.10?
[20:40] <aatk> It can see the device however it won't recognise it anymore
[20:40] <bsnider> aatk, what wifi chip doe sit use?
[20:40] <cypherdelic> when i am forced to get back to hardy to use gamepads when ibex is final
[20:40] <cypherdelic> then i will search for a new distribution that fits my likes
[20:41] <a1len> Does anyone have 8.10 installed on a seperate ntfs file system?
[20:41] <bigfox> aatk:  is it this device?
[20:41] <bigfox> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833314011
[20:41] <bsnider> cypherdelic, and that distribution will also use the same joydev module that's in the .27 kernel
[20:41] <Pici> cypherdelic: You've gone through the process already, the release manager for Intrepid has said that its not critical enough to justify rerolling the isos before final, this should be fixed post-live. You'll need to calm down or I'm going to have to ask you to leave and cool off.
[20:41] <cypherdelic> but maybe they have a fix faster than ubuntu
[20:42] <cypherdelic> and because it physically hurting me that bug
[20:42] <cypherdelic> i have no time
[20:42] <aatk> bigfox: Yes, its that model, v4002 uk
[20:42] <bigfox> Mine just worked perfectly.
[20:42] <bigfox> does it still work in another machine?
[20:43] <aatk> Yeah, I can us it with my Asus Eee and on my friends thinkpad, both running Hardy and it has no problems
[20:43] <aatk> It just seems to be when I upgrade Ibex from a fresh install, it refuses to work
[20:43] <cypherdelic> so post live
[20:44] <cypherdelic> Pici: when will i approximately can schedule a fix for my fingers
[20:44] <cypherdelic> 4 weeks
[20:44] <cypherdelic> 6
[20:44] <cypherdelic> or 8?
[20:44] <a1len> I tried to install via the live cd on a separate ext3 partition, but the installer wanted to allocate me only 105 gigs for Vista. I have enough room, so I didn't get it. I made a separate ntfs partition and installed Ubuntu with Vista, then moved Ubuntu to the other empty ntfs partition, and the only thing I need is the separate partition boot file, I can't find one anywhere.
[20:45] <cypherdelic> the joydev from 2.6.27.2 64bit by the way works very well
[20:45] <cypherdelic> its a xserver issue
[20:45] <Pici> cypherdelic: I don't know what the post-release schedule is like, sorry.
[20:45] <bigfox> aatk:  I will have to check mine with newer version of 8.10  It is currently being borrowed out to a friend.
[20:45] <aatk> bigfox: Okay
[20:45] <td123> a1len: you can't install ubuntu on an ntfs partition...
[20:46] <ChaoZero> anyone who know why my wifi (RTL8187b) keeps disconnecting after a second of being idle?
[20:46] <a1len> td123 when i installed it with windows, i already did
[20:46] <aatk> I've just done a fresh install again, I'm going to try and go through the upgrades repo at a time and try and work out what's breaking it
[20:46] <a1len> td123, i don't WANT to, but i CAN
[20:46] <td123> a1len: that was through wubi
[20:46] <td123> a1len: you need windows to install wubi..
[20:46] <a1len> td123, i didn't mount through wubi
[20:46] <a1len> td123, i used the cd, is that still wubi?
[20:47] <td123> a1len: yes
[20:47] <a1len> td123, dang. i wonder why the installer is going all nutso on me then....
[20:47] <a1len> td123, the wubi install is no good, huh?
[20:48] <td123> a1len: dunno, I have only tried wubi once and didn't see a difference, may be a bit slower but that's it... I'm not the person to ask
[20:48] <cypherdelic> Pici: you see, i dont know it either, but the xserver update that broke gamepad handling was last minut before beta, great in crashing things,  on last minute ubuntu *let me applaus* the hole crowd, i will go cool off myself, mybe punching tux with my wounded finger would help a bit.
[20:48] <cypherdelic> see ya on final
[20:49] <a1len> td123, okay, thanks.
[20:49] <td123> a1len: I would expect wubi not acting well seeing that intrepid is still behaving oddly :D
[20:50] <a1len> td123, and I need to do madwifi to get my nic to work right...
[20:50] <td123> a1len: just use wire if you can... less potential problems
[20:51] <td123> I've never had a problem with the network when I used wire with testing
[20:52] <tMish> Why there is  no kpdf in intrepid ?
[20:52] <aatk> Has it been renamed with kde4?
[20:52] <td123> tMish: because that comes with kubuntu.
[20:52] <tMish> what ?
[20:52] <Sindwiller> lol
[20:52] <tMish> yeah, i am using kubuntu
[20:52] <Sindwiller> you're both wrong D:
[20:52] <Sindwiller> it got replaced by okular
[20:52] <Pici> td123: Kubuntu and Ubuntu share the same repositories
[20:52] <tMish> okular ? ok
[20:53] <td123> Sindwiller: I honostly don't know, it begain with K so I assumed :P
[20:53] <aatk> Sindwiller: I was almost right, it's called something different...
[20:53] <tMish> E: Couldn't find package ocular
[20:53] <Sindwiller> tMish: oKular
[20:53] <Sindwiller> with a k
[20:53] <Sindwiller> :P
[20:53] <Sindwiller> aatk: :)
[20:53] <aatk> tMish: Use evince, it's faster
[20:53] <aatk> Scratch that
[20:53] <aatk> xpdf
[20:53] <aatk> :)
[20:53] <jken146> Or xpdf
[20:53] <Sindwiller> ;P
[20:54] <Sindwiller> he was faster ;D
[20:54] <aatk> I have keybindings
[20:54] <jken146> :)
[20:54] <td123> xpdf is horribly laggy for large documents, especially for pictures
[20:54] <aatk> Hmm
[20:54] <td123> use evince
[20:55] <aatk> Use pdf2ps and then ghostview?
[20:55] <tMish> In earlier distro, I could install acroread. Why no acroread in intrepid ? Do I need to add smth to sources.list ?
[20:56] <aatk> tMish: again, is it called something different
[20:56] <tMish> called what ?
[20:56] <aatk> something other than acroread...
[20:56] <td123> tMish: google adobe acrobat reader for ubuntu
[20:57] <aatk> Search in aptitude
[20:57] <aatk> or apt, or synaptic
[20:58] <moreati> tMish: Adobe reader is available in the medibuntu repository
[20:58] <tMish> ah, need to add mediabuntu repo
[20:59] <ChaoZero> anyone who knows why my wifi (RTL8187b) keeps disconnecting after a second of being idle?
[21:00] <woli> hi
[21:00] <aatk> hello
[21:00] <woli> is intrepid ibex buggy (i know its in beta)
[21:00] <aatk> To an extent yes
[21:00] <woli> what do you mean?
[21:01] <aatk> It has bugs, they may or may not affect you, but it does still have them...
[21:01] <AdamDH> im running it at the moment keeping on top of updates but it works fine on my macbook pro
[21:01] <a1len> td123, you think i can just cut and paste it back to c:\windows now?
[21:02] <bsnider> AdamDH, how's the trackpad speed?
[21:02] <bsnider> sorry, touchpad speed
[21:02] <AdamDH> seens ok not played around with the new kernel module for it yet
[21:03] <AdamDH> all the hardware works great
[21:03] <AdamDH> pommed is a bit buggy
[21:04] <td123> ya suprisingly, only 2 things don't work by default on my laptop
[21:04] <woli> well... i guess i will wait the 9 days then...
[21:04] <td123> on hardy, 5 things didn't work :D
[21:04] <a1len> woli, go to the ubuntu site and search 'known bugs'.
[21:04] <a1len> See if any of them would apply to you.
[21:05] <AdamDH> by default everything worked but i suspect that most of it was 2.6.27 I was running gentoo before i switched over to the beta
[21:05] <a1len> Aside from those, the bugs that are found by us users shouldn't be too unfixably buggy.
[21:06] <aatk> I wish I had the patience to install gentoo
[21:06] <woli> yeah... i'll stick to hardy for the momment
[21:07] <a1len> funny thing, on the hardy install my keys and mouse don't work. Well, on the live CD anyway.
[21:07] <td123> aatk: no one has the patience, just those who have nothing better to do :P
[21:09] <TheFiller> Is there also an alternate CD for intrepid, that allows for root encryption via setup?
[21:10] <aatk> TheFiller: You mean installing with an encrypted fs?
[21:10] <AdamDH> gentoo does not take long to install just the compile times can take a while
[21:10] <TheFiller> aatk: yes
[21:11] <TheFiller> aatk: Like, when you are installing the normal version of Ubuntu and want your root encrypted, you gotta use the alternate CD
[21:11] <TheFiller> alternate installer, I meant
[21:11] <aatk> Ive installed using the alternate cd and it gave me the option to partition with lvm or with encryption
[21:11] <aatk> I don't know if that's / or just /home though
[21:11] <TheFiller> So there is an alternate CD for intrepid?
[21:11] <aatk> Yes
[21:12] <TheFiller> Thank you
[21:12] <Killeroid> is it only me or is pidgin broken?
[21:12] <AdamDH> im using pidgin at the moment nothing wrong here
[21:13] <aatk> TheFiller: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/ at the bottom of the page
[21:13] <Killeroid> AdamDH: I am tryin to install it and it is tellling me the package has unmet dependencies
[21:16] <AdamDH> done at apt-get update?
[21:16] <TheFiller> THanks aatk
[21:16] <bsnider> TheFiller, don't download that one
[21:17] <TheFiller> Why not?
[21:17] <Nyquist333> Does anyone know how to change the mtu for eth0? I have to set it to 1492, but everytime I reboot, it's back to 1500, and it is set to automatic in the network manager.
[21:18] <bsnider> TheFiller, ok, i guess you have to. i'd wait until the rc in a couple of days. that's the 3 week old beta
[21:18] <bsnider> they don't build daily-live alternate images
[21:19] <Killeroid> AdamDH: apparently, i need to install libpurple0 which depends on pidgin-data, but when i try to install pidgin-data, it tells me it  is already installed though
[21:19] <TheFiller> bsnider: oh ok
[21:19] <bsnider> TheFiller, that image has more bugs than a cheap motel but use it if you have to
[21:20] <TheFiller> bsnider: What about the stable version of Ubuntu? Are those ISO images of the alternate CD updated regularely?
[21:20] <bsnider> i assume so
[21:20] <paulnrach> hi i have upgraded to 8.10 but adept does not reflect the addtional repositorys i added
[21:20] <bsnider> but it's stable anyway
[21:21] <bsnider> Killeroid, which version of pidgin-data is it?
[21:22] <bsnider> the latest is 1:2.5.1-0ubuntu3
[21:22] <paulnrach> can i revert back to the old adept?
[21:24] <CHaiNS> can somebody point me to how to install the newest kde4 in ubuntu 8.10 please?? thanks...
[21:24] <Killeroid> bsnider: i fixed everything, i uninstalled the orphaned pidgin-data package and now pidgin is being installed perfectly
[21:26] <delphiuk> Could anyone recommend a graphics card that I can get on ebay that will work with Ubuntu with 3d out of the box?
[21:27] <bsnider> out of the box?
[21:28] <delphiuk> Yeah, I have a number of old(ish) machines that I will be giving away to family, and I want all of the 3d stuff to work without going the propritory driver route
[21:28] <bsnider> delphiuk, the issue of 3d in linux is a complex and controversial one
[21:28] <deftone> has anyone tried installing a Vista driver in ubuntu?
[21:28] <ChaoZero> i've got an HD2400 pro, which works after giving permission to use propriaty drivers
[21:29] <bsnider> delphiuk, ah...that's impossible
[21:29] <ChaoZero> (probably misspelled that)
[21:29] <CHaiNS> can somebody point me to how to install the newest kde4 in ubuntu 8.10 please?? thanks...
[21:29] <deftone> it's already installed ChaiNS
[21:29] <CHaiNS> im not on kubuntu though
[21:29] <aatk> CHaiNS: If you're using ubuntu, then install kde4-desktop or kde-desktop I can't remember the package name
[21:29] <CHaiNS> just regular
[21:29] <delphiuk> But it worked on my laptop, which has a radeon mobile thing in it so surely I just need to find as agp card that works well and then use that
[21:29] <ChaoZero> apt-get install kde-desktop-environment
[21:29] <aatk> that should be kde4
[21:30] <aatk> Failing that, compile from source
[21:30] <delphiuk> CHaiNS: How about Kubuntu?
[21:30] <bsnider> kubuntu-0desktop
[21:30] <bsnider> kubuntu-desktop
[21:30] <CHaiNS> yeah i cant find the right command to install it...kde-desktop doesnt work either
[21:31] <CHaiNS> there it is!
[21:31] <aatk> Try searching in aptitude...
[21:31] <CHaiNS> thanks bsnider
[21:31] <CHaiNS> he nailed it
[21:31] <bsnider> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[21:31] <Q-FUNK> howdy!  I wanted to ask, is there any remaining hardware damaging issue left in the Intrepid kernels?
[21:31] <bsnider> no
[21:31] <bsnider> that issue was fixed by linus 2 weeks ago
[21:31] <Q-FUNK> ok, so it's safe for testing now?
[21:31] <bsnider> yes it is
[21:32] <Q-FUNK> fixed by linus, yes, but included in the intrepid kernel?  IIRC intrepid's kernel was based on some .27-rc ?
[21:32] <deftone> can you install a vista driver in ubuntu 8.10? if so any help would be greatly appreciated
[21:32] <bsnider> it was fixed in the rc9 kernel. the current kernel is one step beyond that
[21:33] <Q-FUNK> ah, ok then
[21:33]  * Q-FUNK goes and tries a dist-upgrade
[21:33] <ChaoZero> when will thay fix the buggy realtek 8187b module? :X
[21:33] <ChaoZero> *they
[21:36] <Lunar_Lamp> !release-date
[21:36] <Lunar_Lamp> :-(
[21:36] <ChaoZero> no way... a bot :P
[21:36] <ChaoZero> !help
[21:37] <ChaoZero> !$time
[21:38] <ChaoZero> !bla-$time
[21:38] <ChaoZero> too bad
[21:41] <aatk> Okay, I've just run a partial upgrade, apparently I wasn't allowed to run a full one, it seems to be hanging on the "cleaning up" section, after telling me I needed to reboot
[21:41] <aatk> Do I reboot or just wait for another 15 minutes
[21:45] <Minty95> wgy is the VPN logio locked in the VPN connections window ?
[21:48] <aguitel> is available office 3.0 in intrepid ?
[21:49] <Q-FUNK> aguitel: it doesn't seem so
[21:50] <aguitel> Q-FUNK, in the final willbe ?
[21:50] <Dillizar> yo
[21:50] <Dillizar> does 8.10 comes with mozilla 3?
[21:50] <aguitel> yo que
[21:50] <Dillizar> France?
[21:53] <Q-FUNK> aguitel: no
[21:54] <Chaz6> Dillizar: you can simply grab the binary from mozilla's website
[21:54] <_mora> Since I upgraded to Intrepid last night, my DNS support has been really wonky
[21:54] <_mora> Firefox can't resolve DNS (although it seems that some other apps - like ping - can) and ifup says that the interface eth0 is unknown.  ifconfig reports that eth0 exists, however.
[21:55] <_mora> I'm using forcedeth drivers/for my asus-made m2n-e sli nforce mobo.
[21:59] <deftone> can i use a vista driver with ndiswrapper?
[22:00] <soto> I tried to enable nvidia restricted driver but it said it could not find the kernel module and now my display is screwed up and I can't get to the gnome menus. Can someone tell me how to launch the restricted-drivers manager from the command line?
[22:00] <aatk> soto:
[22:01] <aatk> You should be able to type sudo restric then press tab and see if it autocompletes
[22:01] <aatk> if nothing comes up press tab a couple of times
[22:01] <aatk> Wait
[22:01] <aatk> It might not be called that actually
[22:01] <aatk> Urm
[22:03] <soto> aatk: Nope
[22:04] <soto> Is it possible for someone to figure out the name of the executable that is launched from the menu?
[22:05] <_mora> yeah, soto.
[22:05] <crdlb> soto: you could drag it to the panel, then right click -> properties on the launcher
[22:05] <_mora> right click the menu, click "edit menus"
[22:05] <_mora> then find the entry with the editor and click on it.  click edit.
[22:06] <_mora> all the relevant information is right there.
[22:07] <AdamDH> how can I autoload kernel modules at boot?
[22:07] <AdamDH> what file do I edit?
[22:09] <soto> crdlb: Drag it from where?
[22:09] <crdlb> the menu
[22:09] <soto> crdlb: I can't get to the menu. That's the problem
[22:09] <soto> Is there a keyboard shortcut to activate the menu?
[22:10] <_mora> is there any way to use the Hardy forcedeth driver with Intrepid?
[22:10] <aatk> The menu key?
[22:10] <soto> aatk: I don't have a menu key
[22:11] <crdlb> soto: anyway, it's called jockey-gtk
[22:11] <soto> crdlb: Thank you much
[22:12] <mercutio22> shadows are being drawn wrong here...
[22:12] <mercutio22> anyone experiencing that?
[22:13] <mercutio22> i'm using compiz and gtk-window-decorator
[22:13] <cryingtux> hello
[22:14] <crdlb> mercutio22: can you puta a screenshot on picpaste.com? what video card?
[22:14] <cryingtux> can we get/install kde 3.5.10 series on kubuntu 8.10 when it is released or will it only support kde 4?
[22:14] <cryingtux> would anybody give some info about this please?
[22:15] <mercutio22> hello crdlb, sure. I am using an nvidia m8700 .
[22:16] <soto> crdlb: How did you find the name of the app?
[22:17] <crdlb> soto: I just happened to know it
[22:17] <mercutio22> crdlb, interestingly, shadows are immediately corrected if try to choose a theme at system>preferences>appearance or try to change any shadow options at the window decoration plugin on CCSM
[22:18] <cryingtux> anybody knows about what i asked please?
[22:18] <SirBob1701> so if i upgrade to ibex now will it recieve the same updates after the release as if i were to upgrade on official release data
[22:19] <soto> crdlb: Do you happen to know the one to edit display configuration?
[22:19] <_mora> sirbob: yes, but it may be unwise to upgrade at this point
[22:19] <crdlb> the generic gnome one that uses XRandR is gnome-display-properties
[22:20] <crdlb> or do you mean nvidia-settings?
[22:20] <soto> crdlb: No regular settings
[22:20] <soto> Nvidia binary driver is not working
[22:21] <SirBob1701> _mora: whay is that if i may ask?
[22:21] <mercutio22> crdlb: http://imagebin.org/29220
[22:22] <crdlb> mercutio22: are you using gtk-window-decorator or emerald?
[22:23] <mercutio22> crdlb: gtk-window-decorator
[22:23] <mercutio22> crdlb: here is one of properly drawn shadows
[22:23] <mercutio22> crdlb: http://imagebin.org/29221
[22:23] <crdlb> mercutio22: what backend are you using in ccsm?
[22:23] <crdlb> (in Preferences)
[22:24] <mercutio22> crdlb: Gconf
[22:24] <_mora> SirBob1701, because it's still got a number of issues
[22:24] <lubosz> hi
[22:24] <lubosz> is it just me, or does zsnes crash balls on intrepid?
[22:24] <crdlb> I have no idea what's going on, gwd seems to be mireading the configuration values
[22:24] <_mora> it's advisable not to use intrepid on a "main" pc yet
[22:25] <lubosz> compiling with gcc 4.3 is also a pain in the ass
[22:25] <mercutio22> crdlb: gwd?
[22:25] <aatk> lubosz: How come?
[22:26] <crdlb> mercutio22: gtk-window-decorator is too much to type
[22:26] <lubosz> aatk: zsnes does a buffer overflow, gcc wants some explicit includes
[22:26] <mercutio22> crdlb: I see.. now.
[22:26] <lubosz> and also some extra casts and other thingies
[22:27] <mercutio22> crdlb: lets try changing the backend then
[22:27] <crdlb> mercutio22: no, that will really break it
[22:27] <crdlb> gtk-window-decorator reads those value directly from gconf
[22:31] <lubosz> so nobody gives a crap about good ol snes
[22:31] <lubosz> times have changed
[22:35] <macabro22> crdlb> that didn't work, it crashed my system.
[22:38] <crdlb> macabro22: what didn't?
[22:38] <macabro22> crdlb> changing the backend to "flat file"
[22:39] <crdlb> 17:27 < crdlb> mercutio22: no, that will really break it
[22:39] <crdlb> ahem
[22:39] <macabro22> crdlb> =] I didn't get that on time
[22:40] <macabro22> hehe
[22:40] <macabro22> whata an airhead I must be
[22:50] <demontager> somebody here?
[22:51] <jken146> !ht | demontager
[22:51] <jken146> !hi | demontager
[22:52] <demontager> what?
[22:54] <demontager> how to connect to ftp server ?
[23:10] <DanaG> Argh, dang " RX ReassocResp" over and over and over and over
[23:10] <DanaG> I can see the "associated" LED blinking at a frequency of two times per second.
[23:16] <zy|tv> not long to go till intrepid is out:D
[23:16] <zy|tv> i hope they fix the nm-pptp bug though
[23:16] <dholbert> Is there a way to nominate a launchpad bug as really-important?
[23:16] <dholbert> or otherwise attempt to draw attention to it?
[23:16] <MrD1> Hi could some one please help im very lost i downloaded the rtl8187 wifi drivers from aircrack on the older version of ubuntu and every thing worked perfect but on the new version it appears with error after the make make install command does any one know why thanks in advance if you can help
[23:17] <MrD1> sorry to be a pain but have been trying for hours to get it to work again
[23:19] <_oOMOo_> MrD1, are you using the same driver as you used for Hardy?
[23:20] <MrD1> _oOMOo_, yes i am
[23:21] <_oOMOo_> MrD1, it looks like there may be a new version for the 2.6.27 kernel, looking at this page: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Download
[23:22] <MrD1> _oOMOo_, also my wifi did not work on hardy unless i downloaded the driver but on the new version it worked by just pluging in but thats no good to me because i would like it to packet inject so i dont know if there is a conflict, il take a look at the page thank you
[23:24] <_oOMOo_> MrD1, I don't know if you've also tried the forums for Intrepid, you may find more help there: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=346 good luck
[23:25] <MrD1> _oOMOo_, ok thanks again il give it a try
[23:28] <_oOMOo_> I have a problem with syndaemon
[23:31] <_oOMOo_> The latest package xserver-xorg-input-synaptics still doesn't allow syndaemon to work without SHMConfig, whereas the package made available by wgrant on the forums does. Can we have that package in Intrepid please!
[23:31] <f|uke> Considering the beta gets updated, will the beta on oct 29th basically be the release version?
[23:32] <f|uke> just curious O,o
[23:32] <jken146> f|uke: close to, but if you update on the 30th that should be the final
[23:33] <jken146> f|uke: That said, there might be no updates for a day or two before final is out.
[23:33] <f|uke> ahh right. And then a big update on the 30th
[23:33] <f|uke> or relatively big
[23:34] <jken146> f|uke: It shouldn't be that big.  But you never know.
[23:34] <f|uke> yah
[23:34] <f|uke> How is 8.10 now? Stable? Solid? I tried it about 3 weeks ago but it was a bit too buggy
[23:35] <jken146> f|uke: Fine for me.  It depends on what hardware you have and which programs you use.
[23:35] <aatk> f|uke: I'm running it and so far no problems
[23:38] <Kr0ntab> f|uke: stability will be subjective, but personally I'm enjoying the progress...
[23:38] <Kr0ntab> f|uke: gets better every day.
[23:38] <f|uke> i had no issues with my hardware :-?  ubuntu has been great about that.. just the wifi
[23:39] <f|uke> haa. skype emote (doh)
[23:39] <f|uke> I forget what was giving me grief,. but something was
[23:39] <f|uke> But I've been a relative noob,.  I started running Ubuntu about 5 weeks ago
[23:40] <f|uke> I think now I'd probably not have the problems I did then.
[23:40] <\Kira> Whats the major differnece between 8.04 and 8.10? I want to see if its worth switching as I only have one problem with my current 8.04\
[23:40] <Kr0ntab> f|uke: congrats on the progress, mate.
[23:40] <Kr0ntab> :-)\
[23:41] <Kr0ntab> that was suppose to be a happy face..  hehe
[23:41] <Kr0ntab> looks like a stick to the neck attack.
[23:43] <f|uke> hah. cheers. its fun learning this stuff.   Recently I did commit one major fowlup, tho.  I have a server set to resumeable VNC, on a PC with no video card. I had it set up proper, but I made the mistake of reinstalling firestarter
[23:44] <f|uke> And now its unaccessable :d
[23:49] <ret> hmm, are there daily builds of the BETA release.
[23:49] <f|uke> there are constant updates
[23:49] <f|uke> through update manager
[23:52] <ret> i keep getting kernel updates.
[23:52] <ret> it's pretty annoying actually
[23:52] <ret> i wonder whether or not, it's stable enough to run.
[23:54] <f|uke> it is beta :P