[08:18] <Celtiore> hi
[10:41] <Teiana> is there a channel dedicated to ubuntu mobile help or this one is suitable ? i need help once more :)
[10:48] <persia> Teiana, It's help + development.  Anything Mobile related is fine.  We don't know everything, and if it's not Mobile specific, we might send you to more general Ubuntu channels.
[10:58] <Teiana> it is mobile specific :)
[10:58] <Teiana> thanks for the answer persia
[10:58] <Teiana> so, here i go
[10:59] <Teiana> does ubuntu mobile support the acer aspire one internal card readers (there is 2)
[10:59] <persia> I'm going to go with a Maybe on that one :)
[11:00] <persia> Try one of the intrepid live images (URLs in the /topic) and see.  Just boot off a USB key : it won't affect your machine.
[11:00] <Teiana> i'm already on intrepid image :)
[11:00] <Teiana> i AM intrepid ;)
[11:01]  * Teiana giggles
[11:01] <persia> OK.  Do the card readers work?
[11:01] <Teiana> (btw, i installed the intrepid, this machine is suited to be affected)
[11:02] <Teiana> no automount reaction
[11:02] <persia> Hmm.  -mid or -mobile?
[11:02] <Teiana> and i don't know where to search to know how is called the card reader
[11:02] <Teiana> mobile
[11:02] <persia> OK.  Do they show up in lspci or lsusb?
[11:04] <Teiana> no explicit mention of card reader, just lot of pci brider, smbus, isa bride, ide interface (a card is actually present in the reader)
[11:04] <Teiana> s/brider/bridge
[11:04] <Teiana> model is acer aspirone A110 (ZG5)
[11:05] <persia> Hm..  The other thing to check is dmesg, but from your description so far, I think they don't work.
[11:06] <Teiana> buhuhuh :(
[11:08] <Teiana> huho
[11:08] <Teiana> just found a good bunch of Buffer I/O error on device sr0 :s
[11:08] <Teiana> according to dmesg
[11:08] <persia> That's not good.  Sounds like you have two bugs to file, instead of just one.
[11:09] <Teiana> sr0 is the ssd drive isn't it ?
[11:10] <Teiana> or could it be an external cdrom drive on usb?
[11:10] <Teiana> in the second case, that's not a bug, that cdrom drive is "tired" and have difficulties reading cdrom
[11:11] <persia> I actually don't know what /dev/sr* is.  I usually see things as /dev/sd* or /dev/mmc*
[11:11] <Teiana> lets tail that dmesg and plug that drive :)
[11:12] <Teiana> i confirm, it is that damn cdrom drive who is called sr0
[11:13] <Teiana> so let's forgot that buffier I/O error, i think
[11:13] <persia> !ohmy
[11:13] <Teiana> sorry
[11:14] <persia> Then it's back to one bug.  File the output of lsusb -v and lspci -vvnn to a bug, and report that the card reader isn't working.
[11:14] <Teiana> ok :)
[11:16] <persia> Oh, and file the bug against the "linux" package.
[11:17] <Teiana> the one about ubuntu mobile being uninstalled when i wanted to uninstall the idontknowanymorethepackagename cd burned apps ?
[11:17] <persia> No, that's not a bug.
[11:17] <persia> Uninstalling "ubuntu-mobile" shouldn't break your system, unless you let it uninstall lots of other related stuff.
[11:18] <Teiana> sorry to not understand what you'r talking about that linux package
[11:18] <persia> However, to have an Ubuntu Mobile system, you need to have ubuntu-mobile installed.  Lots of people run custom systems, but there's no guarantee that upgrades work smoothly between releases.
[11:18] <Teiana> ok
[11:18] <persia> When you file the bug about the card reader not working.
[11:19] <Teiana> ha, ok, i see
[11:19] <Teiana> bug category :)
[11:20] <Teiana> time to eat soon, thanks again for the help
[11:21] <persia> No problem.
[11:21] <Teiana> could it be a missing option at the kernel compile time ?
[11:22] <persia> That, or a missing driver.  I think most of the broad types of readers are supported : at least two of the ones in front of me work.
[11:22] <persia> But I don't do anything other than insert memory cards.
[11:25] <Teiana> :)
[11:25] <Teiana> time to eat
[11:26] <Teiana> nomnomnomnom
[12:10] <teiana_afk> back
[12:10] <teiana_afk> and with a surprise Oo
[12:11] <teiana_afk> persia : i forgot to put the charger on the acer, so it shuted down due to battery power lack, and when powering it up again, tada! my sd card is readed
[12:12] <persia> teiana_afk, In that case, you don't need to file a bug :)
[12:12] <persia> Strange that it needs a power event though.  Probably worth fiddling with : I suspect there's some way to make it work better.
[12:13] <teiana_afk> so it may be due to suspending it who desactivate the reader ? i have the same behavior on another computer, a notebook, standart, 15 inch screen and so one, asap you suspend it, the card reader is unusable until reboot
[12:14] <persia> Yeah, it would be exactly the same problem.  The suspect/resume isn't sending the right wakeup signal.  You do want to report that then, as it may be possible to fix.
[12:14] <teiana_afk> wich log do you need?
[12:15] <persia> Probably just either lspci -vvnn or lsusb -v depending on how the device is connected, and a clear description of the problem.
[12:15] <teiana_afk> ok :)
[12:15] <teiana_afk> will be a pleasure to do
[12:45] <teiana_afk> submission done :)
[12:46] <persia> Thanks.  Intrepid is so close to release that I don't really expect it to be included, but perhaps for the next release.
[12:54] <teiana_afk> no problem, this is not, at my eyes, a critical bug
[12:56] <persia> Well, you have a device that doesn't need it.  I have one device that has only 128MB SSD, and uses an SD card for real storage.  If I had the bug on that device, I'd be extremely frustrated.  (I don't actually run Ubuntu on that device though, so it's a false comparison).
[12:56] <teiana_afk> as this bug occurs also on this other computer of mine, who is running windows
[12:56] <persia> Heh.  That might be a hardware problem then, rather than just a kernel issue.
[12:56] <teiana_afk> you'r true :)
[12:56] <teiana_afk> i may edit my bug and add that fact ?
[12:57] <persia> You certainly could, but in case it's actually software problem rather than a hardware problem I wouldn't.  Be better to have a kernel developer look at it.
[12:57] <teiana_afk> but ubuntu mobile != ubuntu mid ?
[12:57] <persia> Maybe there's a way to make it work : might just be not suspending that device (making suspend use batter power a little faster).
[12:58] <persia> Nope.  Two different flavours.  Two different operating environments.
[12:58] <persia> They're probably about as similar as Ubuntu Desktop and Xubuntu Desktop.
[12:58] <teiana_afk> ok :)
[13:01] <teiana_afk> i wished to change the ubuntu logo during the pre X11 loading stage, but i'm not sure if the howto i found about usplash are the way to change it
[13:01] <teiana_afk> do u have an idea ?
[13:02] <persia> No, but I can tell you that looking at various other usplash-theme packages is probably the best route to an answer.
[13:02] <Teiana> thanks :)
[13:29] <Teiana> now i'm impressed!
[13:29] <Teiana> even my 3G usb dongle work!
[13:29] <Teiana> THANKS!
[13:31] <Teiana> (excepted a little tcp configuration problem :p)
[13:38] <amitk> ogra: do you know of other mobile devices that use atheros chips for wifi?
[13:38] <ogra> amitk, eeePC 
[13:39] <amitk> ogra: they seem to work with ath5k :-/ and even happen to have the same pci id. So we can't comment out that pci id.
[13:39] <amitk> ogra: do they use the -mobile image?
[13:39] <amitk> or stock ubuntu?
[13:40] <persia> amitk, No reason they shouldn't use the -mobile image, but they might use stock.  Switching between the two is trivial post-install.
[13:40] <ogra> amitk, many do and i think one even commented on the bug seeing the same issues
[13:42] <amitk> we are in a rock-and-hard-place situation. madwifi works for some and ath5k for others for same pci id :-/
[13:42] <ogra> yeah
[13:43] <amitk> ogra: have you already tried lbm on mobile images?
[13:43] <amitk> tim mentioned he had uploaded a slightly more uptodate ath5k
[13:43] <ogra> not yet
[13:44] <ogra> would that be pulled in by meta ? 
[13:44] <ogra> or do i need to get it manually ? 
[13:45] <ogra> i'm just writing todays image to USB, i can give you more info within the next 30min
[13:45] <ogra> but the ML shows that many people seem to have probs with ath5k
[13:45] <amitk> ogra: not by meta, needs to be done manually
[13:46] <ogra> ok
[13:48]  * amitk updates his samsung
[13:57] <ogra> amitk, ok, seeing todays image ath5k is even loaded *after* ath_pci ... modprobe -r ath_pci kills all networking though
[14:00] <amitk> ogra: try lbm
[14:00] <ogra> hard to do without network
[14:00] <ogra> let me do an install first :)
[14:04] <ogra> asac, any objections to have a package for drag and grab in jaunty ? 
[14:04] <ogra> that way i could use normal firefox in -mobile 
[14:05] <ogra> with drag-n-grab preinstalled in the image 
[14:17] <asac> ogra: open a wishlist bug against firefox-extensions project in launchpad. someone will package it ;)
[14:18] <asac> ogra: you dont want to use fennec?
[14:18] <ogra> asac, well, worst case i'd do it myself ... i really love it on my laptop
[14:18] <asac> ogra: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/firefox-extensions/+filebug
[14:19] <asac> ogra: no. please follow that procedure. we have a more or less good extension community so this should happen quite reasonably
[14:19] <ogra> the fennec version i have tried didnt convince me yet, depends where its at in jaunty
[14:19] <asac> ogra: if you want to package it, please use our branch mechansims
[14:19] <ogra> indeed
[14:19] <asac> ogra: which version did you try?
[14:19] <asac> ogra: we have a page here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Firefox3Extensions
[14:19] <ogra> knows tharer are policies for extension packaging ... wouldnt do it without that
[14:20] <asac> usually we ask users to fill out that table for their extension so we can "auto" package it ;) but in your case we can make an exception
[14:20] <asac> :)
[14:20] <ogra> asac, about two months ago on the n800 ... not sure what version that was
[14:20] <asac> ogra: ok. try the lastest in fta archive.
[14:20] <asac> its quite nice ... though not really feature complete
[14:20] <ogra> but it put the url bar *into* the pacge 
[14:20] <ogra> *page
[14:20] <asac> https://edge.launchpad.net/~fta/+archive
[14:20] <ogra> so it scrolled away and you had to scroll to the top to even type in an url
[14:21] <asac> ogra: doesnt do that anymore ... at lesat the versoin i used here
[14:21] <ogra> and there were various other usability things i found really annoying
[14:22] <ogra> but i'll try the new one
[14:22] <asac> ogra: just install the package and lets talk about that. i would love to forward reasonable suggestions
[14:22] <ogra> will do, i'm currently to busy with image testing
[16:13] <amitk> ogra: why does the q1's screen periodically come on by itself when it is idle?
[16:18] <ogra> amitk, no idea why the bug was closed, there was one open for compiz/gnome-screensaver that i also still see on my laptop
[16:19] <amitk> ogra: have a bug #?
[16:21] <ogra> no, i cant seem to find it, i always accessed it from the critical bugs list for intrepid where it doesnt show up anymore
[16:38] <ogra> amitk, its bug 278112
[17:14] <Teiana> bug 1
[17:14] <Teiana> :)
[18:38] <cypherdelic> lol in wine for every solved bug came at least one new :D
[18:38] <cypherdelic> sry wrg ch
[18:38] <Exaltia> np :)
[18:55] <juliux> hey ogra what should i do with all the ubuntu-mobile marketing stuff?
[18:58] <ogra> juliux, papermache ? 
[18:58] <ogra> put it op on booths indeed :)
[19:04] <juliux> ogra: the next one is cebit;)
[19:04] <juliux> and it is realy heavy
[19:04] <juliux> now i know why you give it me;)
[19:05] <ogra> susie agrees, she tried to lift it from the trunk :)
[19:05] <juliux> hehe
[19:05] <ogra> sorry, i thought it would be helpful for you in some way
[19:05] <juliux> i will write kate that the stuff is now in my basement so perhaps canonical has a use for it a cebit;)
[19:06] <ogra> likely
[19:06] <ogra> unless they are printing new ones for UNR
[19:06] <juliux> UNR?
[19:06] <ogra> but i wouldnt think so
[19:06] <ogra> ubuntu-netbook-remix
[19:06] <juliux> i don't think they will do new ubuntu hardy flyer
[19:06] <ogra> there wont be an intrepid UNR
[19:07] <juliux> ah ok
[19:07] <ogra> UNR is supposed to be based off the LTS release
[19:07] <ogra> so the fylers will likely be still valid for cebit
[19:08] <juliux> good
[19:10] <ogra> juliux, btw, what was that about tablet support recently ? 
[19:10] <ogra> you moaned but didnt answer later
[19:10] <juliux> ogra: with the default xorg.conf from interpid my tablet is not working
[19:10] <ogra> the default xorg.conf of intrepid should be ampty
[19:10] <ogra> *empty
[19:10] <juliux> also if i uncomment all the tabletpc sections in the xorg.conf the tablet is not working
[19:11] <juliux> my one was not empty, i made an upgrade from hardy
[19:11] <ogra> ah
[19:11] <juliux> and the xorg.conf at hardy was working fine
[19:11] <ogra> try moving it away
[19:11] <juliux> i search for a working one at launchpad;)
[19:11] <juliux> and i still have the brigthness bug
[19:11] <ogra> hal handles input devices in ntrepid
[19:12] <juliux> it takes a long long time after waking up from suspend until the brigthness keys are working
[19:12] <ogra> (you can override it in xorg.conf, but should always try the default first)
[19:12] <juliux> i will try it with an empty xorg.conf
[19:12] <ogra> try removing hotkey-setup, its likely interfering with hal 
[19:14] <ogra> i know mdz recently worked on brightness key stuff for ibm lappies
[19:17] <juliux> ok 
[19:24] <ian_brasil__> not a mobile question as such but the gconf gtk_theme is set to Human-Clearlooks but there is no entry on /usr/share/themes or .themes for this
[19:36] <ian_brasil__> maybe i will ask in ubuntu-art
[19:58] <juliux> ogra: should i open bug reports about bugs in my tablet or should i wait after intrepid released?
[20:05] <juliux> ogra: clearing the xorg.conf is not working;)
[20:47] <ogra> juliux, see bug 282203
[20:52] <juliux> ogra: btw removing hotkey-setup doesn't helps
[20:56] <juliux> ogra: i am looking realy forward to test with you tablet pc support on the next development cycle
[21:01] <juliux> ogra: bug 282203 doesn't helps here i still need a special xorg.conf
[21:01] <ogra> juliux, please add your info to the bug
[21:01] <juliux> ogra: i will do
[21:02] <ogra> slangasek refuses to let the hal way in so he needs info if xorg.conf works
[21:04] <juliux> ogra: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/wacom-tools/+bug/282203/comments/19
[21:04] <juliux> there is also my xorg.conf
[21:05] <ogra> juliux, does it work with that xorg.conf (and did it in hardy as well with the same file ?)
[21:05] <juliux> ogra: it was not working with my old xorg.conf from hardy that one is a new on i found at the web
[21:05] <ogra> aha
[21:06] <ogra> please note that the hardy one didnt work and you had to create a new one for intrepid
[21:06] <ogra> thats very important
[21:07] <juliux> added
[21:08] <ogra> thanks :)
[21:19] <juliux> ogra: i found somebody how will test it with a x61 tablet