/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2008/10/21/#ubuntu-ops.txt

Seeker`I take it mneptok isn't really sweet00:00
* genii hangs a large mug of coffee from one of mneptok's horns00:01
geniiI don't like any additives in my coffee00:19
Seeker`just boiling water then?00:23
naliothwater is an additive00:23
geniiTechnically I suppose you are correct00:24
geniiSo water would be the only additive00:24
* nalioth likes a pinch between his cheek and gums00:24
mneptokyou want me to pinch you where?00:31
* genii blinks00:54
geniiIs it normally this quiet here?01:23
PiciOnly when nothing is happening... which is sometimes good.01:23
geniiThis is true01:23
geniiNo news == good news          or so, I suppose01:24
PiciOn the other hand, no gnus == bad gnus01:25
naliothgenii: quiet is good01:25
geniinalioth: I'll try to enjoy it then 01:25
LjLor when we're not being widely offtopic for a whole day01:25
Seeker`quiet means its naptime for the trolls01:26
mneptoknaplam time01:27
geniiI'm picturing now for some reason mneptok napalming under the bridge where the trolls live...01:36
mneptoksimple reason, actually.01:36
mneptok1). I'm from the US01:36
mneptok2). I don't like trolls01:36
mneptoknow, in possession of those 2 facts, if you can;t figure out a troll village is going to get napalmed soon, you really need to study recent history. ;)01:37
geniii have to agree they are annoying01:37
LjLwho changed !latest?01:39
genii!latest01:39
ubottuPackages in a released Ubuntu version may not be the latest. Post-release updates are only considered for inclusion if they are: Fixes for security vulnerabilities, High impact bug fixes, or Unintrusive bug fixes with substantial benefit and very low risk. See also !backports.01:39
geniiHmm01:39
PiciLjL: I did.01:40
Pici!-latest01:40
ubottulatest has no aliases - added by Seveas on 2006-06-19 13:43:19 - last edited by Pici on 2008-09-30 18:24:4301:40
LjLPici: then i hate you now.01:40
mneptokPici: try lotion on your nipples. LjL likes that.01:41
geniistdin: Thanks for example in #kubuntu, wasn't sure how to deal with sniggz until he blatantly crossed line01:47
stdingenii: I muted and started a /query with them01:47
stdinbasically said the behaviour was unacceptable and send a link to the guidelines01:48
stdinbut, considering the 1st message back was "lol", I don't have high hopes01:48
LjL*rolls eyes*01:49
geniiHmm01:49
geniistdin: He was also in earlier asking about same subject how to frame someone by fake email etc etc may have been in #ubuntu then01:50
stdinif people do that, warn them that we won't help people "hack", or preform any illegal activity01:53
stdinif they persist, then you can choose to mute and work in /msg, ask them here to talk about it, or just remove/ban01:53
LjL!illegal | genii01:53
ubottugenii: piracy discussion and other questionably legal practices are not welcome in the Ubuntu channels. Please take this discussion elsewhere or abstain from it altogether. This includes linking to pirated software, music and video. Also see !guidelines and !o4o01:53
stdinwhich you choose would depend on if you think the'll listen, obvious trolls aren't worth talking to01:54
geniiHm01:58
jribyou need to confirm emails to register with nickserv now?01:58
LjLjrib, yeah, since the new services entered erm, service01:59
jribI see01:59
mneptokheh. kahrytan on the internal wiki's "Quotes" page02:11
LjLmneptok, i don't know what internal wiki you're talking about, but i'll remind you that he's someone who checks this channel's logs...02:12
mneptokgood for him. when he's hired by Canonical he can look at what i'm taslking about.02:14
mneptok-s02:14
mneptokuntil then, might i suggest crochet? or wargaming? maybe a puppy ....02:14
* genii crochets a puppy02:17
* mneptok designates it a 14th level Battlemage and rolls for saving throw02:21
predator363why cant people just friggen be kind to one another02:33
geniipredator363: Because generally speaking, people are not kind beings to begin with02:34
predator363i explained my situation and asked my question and people flamed me becouse my question was not in the exact context they want it in and instead of being kind to me they were assholes02:35
mneptokpredator363: being kind isn't "cool." and when you factor in near-anonymity ...02:35
mneptokpredator363: and "asshole" isn't a kind way to describe your fellow humans.02:36
mneptok(one man's opinion)02:36
predator363understandabe but i consider umans to humane so these were not human they were assholes02:36
mneptokmaybe if you treated them as humans ...02:37
geniiA little kindness goes a long ways02:38
predator363anyway can we quit the philisophicol bull crap i cant seem to get my atheros ar5009 working and i was in a kind and good mood untill some jerkoffs in here started screwing with me so can someone help me get my wifi up and runngin so i can get out of this hellhole and get on with my day02:38
mneptokwell, since you asked so nicely ...02:38
geniiHehe02:38
mneptoki02:39
predator363if you want kindness pm me as i am ticked off at this damn chatroom02:39
mneptokif you want my help, try a friendlier tone. sorry.02:39
predator363 since you havent been a jerk to me yourslef i beleaive i owe you an apology for my reactions you did not put me in the mood i am in 02:40
mneptokand it's not my job in this world to get you out of it, either. but apology accepted.02:41
mneptokwell, unless you're my wife. then it is my job. and it's also my job to tell you to stop playing with your computer and let me deal with it when i get home.02:41
predator363i just believe when i come to a technical assistance chat i should be greeted with some sort of semi profesional manner if your going to be in a tech chat helping people you should act as if you are representing ubuntu as a company 02:42
predator363i dont know if the guys at ubuntu (kindness to others) would apreciatly sutch a misguided oractice in a chat dedicated to helping others get there software running02:43
geniipredator363: It's hard to treat someone in a professional manner when they themselves are being rude and demanding02:43
Flannelpredator363: Ubuntu isn't a company.  However, apart from all this, you need to ask *one* question at a time.  Give details, etc.  And ask in the proper channels, etc.  Pay attention to the information people give you (about how to ask, etc).  You are new to this community, we welcome you, but we also expect you to attempt to follow the methods of the community as well.02:44
predator363when i got into this chat room i typed: me and this guy crazyb0y were working on getting my wifi up and running it is an atheros ar5009 and he had to leave can someone help me: how is that demanding?02:44
Flannelpredator363: It's not really a question.02:44
predator363being new to the community i am not acustomed to your practices so i would assume i would be informed as to how i should participate not flamed from the get go02:45
predator363and how is that not a question?02:45
Flannelpredator363: You weren't flamed, you were given suggestions on how to act.02:45
predator363any one with half a brain or a grahm of common sence could see i was asking how to get an atheros ar5009 wifi adapter to work in ubuntu02:45
Flannelpredator363: "Can you help me?" is not a support question.  Unless you'll be satisfied with a "yes", don't ask that sort of question.02:46
genii"anyone with half a brain or a grahm of common sence" is not a way to motive people to help you. It is condescending and derogatory02:47
predator363can you help me is and ending exert to a story telling question there for the begening of that explenation was actualy the body of the question ending with can anyone help me to finalise the inquesitioning tone02:47
mneptokpredator363: if you'd like to purchase a support contract, i can guarantee that you will receive professional service.02:48
predator363i no longer care about getting help from you people as i dont like to recieve advice from juviniles so i will recieve help elsware i just wish to educate you becouse you are trying to teach me english which you do not seem to know02:48
predator363then what would the point of community driven free software be?02:49
Flannelpredator363: Good luck in your future endeavors.  I recommend you rethink your attitude in the future.02:49
predator363i understand that it is offered by THE COMPANY ubuntu but as a free software practice i dont beleive in non community driven support02:49
predator363i dont need to rethink my attitude you need to grow up02:50
predator363i'll figure it out myself i would not like to spend another second dealing with the like of you scum02:51
geniiImpatient and ignorant02:52
FlannelWhat a jubilant fellow.02:52
PiciWhat a nice chap02:52
geniihehe02:52
geniiHopefully he'll wear out his welcome in other support forums and come crawling back. Or not.02:53
mneptok"juviniles"02:53
mneptokback in my day, it wasn't spelled like that.02:54
Flannelmneptok: Well, he's teaching us english02:54
mneptokkids these days02:54
geniimneptok: I noticed he had other bad typos as well, and then chastised us for " trying to teach me english which you do not seem to know"02:55
mneptoki have pants older than that kid02:55
predator363god im getting so exhausted iv been dealing with this crap for a wee and iv had a terribal day please someone just have the decency to help me so we dont have to ever see each other again02:58
predator363i have an ar5009 atheros card and it does not seem to be recodnised by ubuntu how may i get this card working and connected?02:59
predator363better?02:59
predator363im desperate02:59
geniipredator363:Better, but perhaps ask now in this way in the support channel of #ubuntu03:00
predator363when i type in #ubuntu it takes me here03:00
geniipredator363: Try maybe /j #ubuntu03:01
predator363t/y03:01
Flannelgenii: No, he's forwarded here.03:01
predator363i'll try03:01
predator363hmmm?03:01
geniiFlannel: Ah03:02
predator363so whado i do?03:02
predator363im trying to leave the house and i cant with this thing tethering me to a wall03:02
predator363im i just screwed then? should i kill myself and go back to vista cos i hate winblows and that would be death to me.03:04
mneptokpredator363: i might have been willing to help you, but being called juvenile and being told by the quasi-literate that my English skills need work.03:06
Flannelpredator363: First off, whatever sort of odd threat that was isn't going to work.  We're not just going to let you back into #ubuntu so you can cause more trouble.03:06
mneptoksorry, you had me, you lost me.03:06
predator363i wasent threatening i was making a joke about windows god03:06
predator363this is why i got so ticked off becouse you people have been acting like this to me since i got on03:07
* mneptok tootles off to call paying customers03:07
geniimneptok: Coffees on you next time03:07
predator363and im not quasi literate i texan there's a difference03:08
predator363we might as well speak a different language03:08
Flannelpredator363: alright, so, do you understand how to ask better questions now?03:09
predator363im cooling down now and im sorry to all even if no one decides to help me i realise losing my temper was why i did not recieve help iun the first place03:09
mneptokpredator363: indeed. we'd usually say "i'm a Texan," utilizing the possessive pronoun.03:09
predator363lol03:09
predator363my fingers are dumb03:09
geniiYou need to have some patience and understand that most people here are volunteers and are doing the best they can03:10
predator363the best they can was flaming me becouse i dident understant the general practice of the chat?03:10
mneptokpredator363: if you want support on demand, pay for it. otherwise, ride the dragon ...03:10
predator363i wasent even being demanding03:10
predator363i was being defencive03:11
predator363becouse i was attacked03:11
predator363defensive03:11
predator363i cant spell og well03:11
predator363arrghh stupid fingers!03:11
Flannelpredator363: No one was attacking you.  But this is besides the point.  Do you understand how to ask better questions now?03:11
predator363yes03:11
Flannelpredator363: Alright, since I know you're going to be an upright member of the community from now on, you might as well read the code of conduct.03:12
Flannel!coc | predator363 03:12
ubottupredator363: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/03:12
Flannelpredator363: please read that, and let me know when you're familiar with it.03:12
predator363jeez is it long im in a hurry03:12
predator363oh not realy03:13
predator363its kinda short03:13
predator363iight i got it03:14
predator363god i cant beleave i just wated 75 minuets im so effed03:15
predator363waisted03:15
Flannelpredator363: alright, I'll go ahead and see about getting that ban removed.  Just remember in the future, the people you're talking to are humans as well, and sometimes they have bad days, and an even more common occurance is just a misunderstanding.03:15
predator363thx03:15
predator363i was banned?03:15
Flannelif something feels like an attack, it probably isnt.  No one would benefit much from attacking you.  And if they are malicious, they'll be taken care of.03:15
FlannelLet us know if you feel that way in the future (like you're being attacked, etc).03:16
Flannelpredator363: Alright, try joining #ubuntu now (/join #ubuntu)03:16
predator363thx03:16
* Flannel will keep an eye on him in #u03:17
geniiInteresting,he has not seemed to show up there yet03:19
FlannelHe's there.03:21
geniiIt lightens my heart that Flannel is giving support03:23
FlannelEh?03:23
* Flannel has always given support.03:23
geniiFlannel: Well, also in this case to someone just here, etc03:24
Flannelit's not like we're supposed to hold grudges or anything ;)03:26
Flannel"oh, you were banned yesterday and made fun of my vocabulary, lets ostracize you!"03:27
geniiHmm03:27
geniiI'd likely be tempted03:27
PiciFlannel: But we're also human... or most of us anyway.03:28
* Flannel just follows both codes of conduct. Can't go wrong.03:29
FlannelWell, if you throw in a bit of common sense.03:29
Flanneland some other stuff.03:31
* genii googles "other stuff"03:33
* mneptok isn;t human, but they're part of my diet ...03:34
Flannelgenii: mneptok's "other stuff" includes face tentacles03:35
geniiYou guys are beginning to scare me03:36
PiciOnly just?03:36
Flannelgenii: see? see? http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/mneptok.png03:37
geniiPici: Delayed reaction03:37
geniiSo he's some strange green crab-thing?03:37
Pici...03:38
geniibat-crab thing?03:38
Flannelcrabs have tentacles?03:39
PiciIts a cartoon cthulhu 03:39
geniiInteresting03:39
geniiIsn't that from Mountins of Madness or so?03:40
genii*Mountains03:40
PiciNot that particular story, although that one was a doozy.03:41
geniiWell, time to go. Laters03:44
Picicyas03:44
* mneptok lurches from a centuries-long slumber, oozing gods and heroes from his beaked mouthparts04:03
mneptokthis is my Bethlehem. and soo i shall be born again into the world of men!04:03
Hobbseehey mneptok!04:03
mneptokoh! HOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!04:03
mneptok\o/04:03
genii@login04:20
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geniiGotta love that bot04:20
geniiFlannel: I see predator is still absorbing you in #ubuntu ;)04:24
Flannelgenii: He'll be back tomorrow, run out of time today.04:25
* genii sips a coffee04:31
genii@time Toronto04:31
ubottuCurrent time in America/Toronto: October 20 2008, 23:31:55 - Next meeting: Community Council in 7 hours 28 minutes04:31
ubottuCurrent time in America/Toronto: October 20 2008, 23:31:55 - Next meeting: Community Council in 7 hours 28 minutes04:31
geniiWeird I wonder why the double 04:32
FlannelIt's that important.04:32
geniiGuess I should sleep then  to make the meeting04:33
mneptokmeeting?04:33
Flannelmneptok: CC meeting, 7.5 hours04:37
mneptokyeah, i'll be asleep04:37
Hobbseeanything interesting on the agenda?04:39
FlannelEr... something about Ubunteros04:43
Hobbseeoh, and naming them?04:44
FlannelMmmm, about gender vs the -o04:44
Hobbseeyup, unfortunately.04:44
FlannelUbuntero isn't a spanish word, but apparently people mistake it as such.04:45
FlannelThe proposed alternative is stupid though.04:45
* Hobbsee wishes people would just get a grip04:45
* Hobbsee also notes it was a MAN who brought it up.04:45
FlannelThat actually doesnt surprise me04:45
Hobbseebrought it up in -women, too, and wondered why the women mostly didn't really jump on it04:46
FlannelObviously it's not really an issue, just people being overly sensitive and paranoid about being PC04:47
Hobbseewell, i'ts clearly an issue for a few people04:47
mneptokwhat's the proposed alternative?04:54
mneptok"Ubuntidiot?"04:54
FlannelUbuntista04:58
* Flannel doesn't even drink coffee.04:58
ubottuIn ubottu, badfish said: ttf is /usr/share/fonts/truetype05:41
FlannelOdd.  Why does fonts redirect to w.u.c?05:43
FlannelHmmm, some user doesn't understand the distinction apparently05:46
Flannelfigures.  Hasn't been on IRC in forever.05:48
Mez!fonts07:24
ubottuFont installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer07:24
Mez!-ttf07:24
ubottuSorry, I don't know anything about ttf07:24
Mez!ttf is <alias> fonts07:24
ubottuI'll remember that, Mez07:24
ubottuDJones called the ops in #ubuntu (serge)08:52
hischildthereś a spammer in #ubuntu. Is it possible that he can be removed/silenced? 08:54
jussi01hischild: sorted08:55
hischildjussi01, my thank is great. 08:55
jussi01:)08:55
ikoniaI'm torying with removing brutforce from ubuntu his attitude is getting annoying now10:13
ikoniaI've pm'd him and asked him to alm down but he just wants to fight10:13
ikoniaany thoughts, am I being a ltitle harsh ?10:14
ikoniaok - I think a troll is on the cards here10:16
ikoniaapprantly he's reporting me and has a log of the conversation that shows me abusing him ???10:17
ikonia@btlogin10:18
* jussi01 hugs ikonia10:19
ikoniait's fine, just wanted to make people aware10:19
Piciikonia: Of course its a web page, duh.12:45
* Pici hides12:45
* ikonia loads the gun 12:45
bazhang_he had plenty of warnings.14:17
PiciIndeed.14:17
bazhang_as yet not responding to PM14:17
PiciAny idea what he was on about?14:17
bazhang_just saying long time no see, hey baby , etc.14:17
bazhang_ jim_p  С妹妹你好!means C-cup little sister14:18
PiciWell, at least he wasnt looking for support.14:19
bazhang_nice pun14:19
PiciNot intended actually.14:20
bazhang_ah well nice nonetheless14:20
bazhang_now he is suddenly able to speak English14:20
=== bazhang_ is now known as bazhang
genii#kubuntu is amazingly dead today17:04
ikoniabe thankful17:10
geniiIt's picked up now :)17:11
Seeker`genii: that is commonly referred to as "jinxing" it17:14
Seeker`if you comment on the lack of people / trolls, you'll end up dealing with a steady stream of determined trolls for the next few hours17:15
* genii files this fact away17:17
jussi01hehe17:34
* Pici sighs19:25
Seeker`whats wrong?19:25
PiciSeeker`: People trying to skirt the rules because things are explicitly mentioned.  19:26
Seeker`example?19:28
PiciSeeker`: -offtopic, regarding family friendly things and !o4o19:28
LjLPici: -ot is nice but sometimes you're just brought to think they're all excrement heads saying excrements of a male cow and acting like male sexual organs and they should go copulate off. don't you.20:09
PiciLjL: It usually takes a lot for me to get to that point... at which I usually step away from the computer (or at least move to another one)20:10
LjLoh god20:11
LjLi've been highlighted again20:11
LjLpici, this will be the day you do20:11
PriceChildsorush looks purple20:14
LjLhe's not a bot20:14
Seeker`"purple"?20:41
PiciSeeker`: realname  = purple = libpurple = pidgin20:41
PiciI'm going afk for a bit soon, can someone keep an eye on +1, I've already warned cypherdelic about his attitude about some joystick bug.20:49
LjLPici: and i'd probably agree with him (though perhaps less vocally) if i were a gamer20:56
PiciLjL: If you game on the PC you should be using the keyboard anyway.20:56
LjLif you say so20:59
ubottusoundray called the ops in #ubuntu (abuse from aho_)21:16
elkbuntuLjL, the regulars have gone feral again?21:22
soundrayIs nobody there to keep the channel PG-suitable?21:24
Flannelsoundray: which channel would that be?21:24
soundray#ubuntu21:24
soundrayOakenfold_xD21:25
Flannelsoundray: What about him?21:25
soundrayand an earlier !ops I called was ignored21:25
elkbuntusoundray, <Pi ci> See ker`: People trying to skirt the rules because things are explicitly mentioned.  21:25
FlannelOh, missed that.21:25
Flannelmissed oakenfold's second comment,21:25
Flannelsoundray: not ignored21:25
LjLelkbuntu: they got me a little upset yesterday, that's all21:37
LjLanyway i'm not sure "aho_" should get away with calling someone a piece of shit with a simple "sorry", what do you think?21:41
Tm_TLjL: agreed21:41
Tm_Tperhaps some time to think his doings21:41
LjLhello aho_21:43
LjLi wanted to ask you, while i see you said you were sorry (but only after an ops call)... what led you to call a fellow ubuntu user a "piece of shit"?21:44
aho_allergies mostly. 21:45
aho_they tend to make me agitated and miserable.  21:45
LjLexcuse me?21:45
aho_especially in this fall season.21:45
aho_:(21:45
LjLaho_, well, if you're not in enough of a good mood to give support politely, then i suggest you abstain from giving support21:46
LjLCaleb merely asked a support question, and definitely didn't deserve such a personal insult on them21:46
LjLaho_, i'll send you a couple of links, and i really suggest you read them21:48
LjL!coc > aho_    (aho_, see the private message from Ubotu)21:48
ubottuaho_, please see my private message21:48
LjL!guidelines > aho_    (aho_, see the private message from Ubotu)21:48
LjL!etiquette > aho_    (aho_, see the private message from Ubotu)21:48
aho_I understand21:50
aho_I'm often helpful21:50
aho_just a misstep on my part.21:50
ubottuIn #ubuntu, sparkey said: ubottu: okay. is it needed? or can i compile without it?21:51
LjLaho_: fine, i don't have anything more to say21:54
juliuxLjL: ping21:55
LjLpong21:55
aho_thanks for your understanding.21:55
LjL@mark #ubuntu-ops aho_21:55
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jribLjL: judger22:55
ubottuIn ubottu, Neelabh said: this is the first time i had a chat on irc22:56
naliothubottu: tell Neelabh about bot22:56
jussi01ok, Im off to bed. its like 1.40 am...23:39
jussi01as a parting shot, if anyones interested... hedgie vids!! http://jussi01.com/?p=4223:40
* jrib curses at totem browser plugin for failing him once again23:45
jribwow, you have a hedgehog23:45
geniiA hyperactive one it looks like :)23:45
* jrib wants to see him on the wheel23:48
jribjussi01: looks like video 1 == video 2?23:48

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