[00:00] <Seeker`> I take it mneptok isn't really sweet
[00:01]  * genii hangs a large mug of coffee from one of mneptok's horns
[00:19] <genii> I don't like any additives in my coffee
[00:23] <Seeker`> just boiling water then?
[00:23] <nalioth> water is an additive
[00:24] <genii> Technically I suppose you are correct
[00:24] <genii> So water would be the only additive
[00:24]  * nalioth likes a pinch between his cheek and gums
[00:31] <mneptok> you want me to pinch you where?
[00:54]  * genii blinks
[01:23] <genii> Is it normally this quiet here?
[01:23] <Pici> Only when nothing is happening... which is sometimes good.
[01:23] <genii> This is true
[01:24] <genii> No news == good news          or so, I suppose
[01:25] <Pici> On the other hand, no gnus == bad gnus
[01:25] <nalioth> genii: quiet is good
[01:25] <genii> nalioth: I'll try to enjoy it then 
[01:25] <LjL> or when we're not being widely offtopic for a whole day
[01:26] <Seeker`> quiet means its naptime for the trolls
[01:27] <mneptok> naplam time
[01:36] <genii> I'm picturing now for some reason mneptok napalming under the bridge where the trolls live...
[01:36] <mneptok> simple reason, actually.
[01:36] <mneptok> 1). I'm from the US
[01:36] <mneptok> 2). I don't like trolls
[01:37] <mneptok> now, in possession of those 2 facts, if you can;t figure out a troll village is going to get napalmed soon, you really need to study recent history. ;)
[01:37] <genii> i have to agree they are annoying
[01:39] <LjL> who changed !latest?
[01:39] <genii> !latest
[01:39] <genii> Hmm
[01:40] <Pici> LjL: I did.
[01:40] <Pici> !-latest
[01:40] <LjL> Pici: then i hate you now.
[01:41] <mneptok> Pici: try lotion on your nipples. LjL likes that.
[01:47] <genii> stdin: Thanks for example in #kubuntu, wasn't sure how to deal with sniggz until he blatantly crossed line
[01:47] <stdin> genii: I muted and started a /query with them
[01:48] <stdin> basically said the behaviour was unacceptable and send a link to the guidelines
[01:48] <stdin> but, considering the 1st message back was "lol", I don't have high hopes
[01:49] <LjL> *rolls eyes*
[01:49] <genii> Hmm
[01:50] <genii> stdin: He was also in earlier asking about same subject how to frame someone by fake email etc etc may have been in #ubuntu then
[01:53] <stdin> if people do that, warn them that we won't help people "hack", or preform any illegal activity
[01:53] <stdin> if they persist, then you can choose to mute and work in /msg, ask them here to talk about it, or just remove/ban
[01:53] <LjL> !illegal | genii
[01:54] <stdin> which you choose would depend on if you think the'll listen, obvious trolls aren't worth talking to
[01:58] <genii> Hm
[01:58] <jrib> you need to confirm emails to register with nickserv now?
[01:59] <LjL> jrib, yeah, since the new services entered erm, service
[01:59] <jrib> I see
[02:11] <mneptok> heh. kahrytan on the internal wiki's "Quotes" page
[02:12] <LjL> mneptok, i don't know what internal wiki you're talking about, but i'll remind you that he's someone who checks this channel's logs...
[02:14] <mneptok> good for him. when he's hired by Canonical he can look at what i'm taslking about.
[02:14] <mneptok> -s
[02:14] <mneptok> until then, might i suggest crochet? or wargaming? maybe a puppy ....
[02:17]  * genii crochets a puppy
[02:21]  * mneptok designates it a 14th level Battlemage and rolls for saving throw
[02:33] <predator363> why cant people just friggen be kind to one another
[02:34] <genii> predator363: Because generally speaking, people are not kind beings to begin with
[02:35] <predator363> i explained my situation and asked my question and people flamed me becouse my question was not in the exact context they want it in and instead of being kind to me they were assholes
[02:35] <mneptok> predator363: being kind isn't "cool." and when you factor in near-anonymity ...
[02:36] <mneptok> predator363: and "asshole" isn't a kind way to describe your fellow humans.
[02:36] <mneptok> (one man's opinion)
[02:36] <predator363> understandabe but i consider umans to humane so these were not human they were assholes
[02:37] <mneptok> maybe if you treated them as humans ...
[02:38] <genii> A little kindness goes a long ways
[02:38] <predator363> anyway can we quit the philisophicol bull crap i cant seem to get my atheros ar5009 working and i was in a kind and good mood untill some jerkoffs in here started screwing with me so can someone help me get my wifi up and runngin so i can get out of this hellhole and get on with my day
[02:38] <mneptok> well, since you asked so nicely ...
[02:38] <genii> Hehe
[02:39] <mneptok> i
[02:39] <predator363> if you want kindness pm me as i am ticked off at this damn chatroom
[02:39] <mneptok> if you want my help, try a friendlier tone. sorry.
[02:40] <predator363>  since you havent been a jerk to me yourslef i beleaive i owe you an apology for my reactions you did not put me in the mood i am in 
[02:41] <mneptok> and it's not my job in this world to get you out of it, either. but apology accepted.
[02:41] <mneptok> well, unless you're my wife. then it is my job. and it's also my job to tell you to stop playing with your computer and let me deal with it when i get home.
[02:42] <predator363> i just believe when i come to a technical assistance chat i should be greeted with some sort of semi profesional manner if your going to be in a tech chat helping people you should act as if you are representing ubuntu as a company 
[02:43] <predator363> i dont know if the guys at ubuntu (kindness to others) would apreciatly sutch a misguided oractice in a chat dedicated to helping others get there software running
[02:43] <genii> predator363: It's hard to treat someone in a professional manner when they themselves are being rude and demanding
[02:44] <Flannel> predator363: Ubuntu isn't a company.  However, apart from all this, you need to ask *one* question at a time.  Give details, etc.  And ask in the proper channels, etc.  Pay attention to the information people give you (about how to ask, etc).  You are new to this community, we welcome you, but we also expect you to attempt to follow the methods of the community as well.
[02:44] <predator363> when i got into this chat room i typed: me and this guy crazyb0y were working on getting my wifi up and running it is an atheros ar5009 and he had to leave can someone help me: how is that demanding?
[02:44] <Flannel> predator363: It's not really a question.
[02:45] <predator363> being new to the community i am not acustomed to your practices so i would assume i would be informed as to how i should participate not flamed from the get go
[02:45] <predator363> and how is that not a question?
[02:45] <Flannel> predator363: You weren't flamed, you were given suggestions on how to act.
[02:45] <predator363> any one with half a brain or a grahm of common sence could see i was asking how to get an atheros ar5009 wifi adapter to work in ubuntu
[02:46] <Flannel> predator363: "Can you help me?" is not a support question.  Unless you'll be satisfied with a "yes", don't ask that sort of question.
[02:47] <genii> "anyone with half a brain or a grahm of common sence" is not a way to motive people to help you. It is condescending and derogatory
[02:47] <predator363> can you help me is and ending exert to a story telling question there for the begening of that explenation was actualy the body of the question ending with can anyone help me to finalise the inquesitioning tone
[02:48] <mneptok> predator363: if you'd like to purchase a support contract, i can guarantee that you will receive professional service.
[02:48] <predator363> i no longer care about getting help from you people as i dont like to recieve advice from juviniles so i will recieve help elsware i just wish to educate you becouse you are trying to teach me english which you do not seem to know
[02:49] <predator363> then what would the point of community driven free software be?
[02:49] <Flannel> predator363: Good luck in your future endeavors.  I recommend you rethink your attitude in the future.
[02:49] <predator363> i understand that it is offered by THE COMPANY ubuntu but as a free software practice i dont beleive in non community driven support
[02:50] <predator363> i dont need to rethink my attitude you need to grow up
[02:51] <predator363> i'll figure it out myself i would not like to spend another second dealing with the like of you scum
[02:52] <genii> Impatient and ignorant
[02:52] <Flannel> What a jubilant fellow.
[02:52] <Pici> What a nice chap
[02:52] <genii> hehe
[02:53] <genii> Hopefully he'll wear out his welcome in other support forums and come crawling back. Or not.
[02:53] <mneptok> "juviniles"
[02:54] <mneptok> back in my day, it wasn't spelled like that.
[02:54] <Flannel> mneptok: Well, he's teaching us english
[02:54] <mneptok> kids these days
[02:55] <genii> mneptok: I noticed he had other bad typos as well, and then chastised us for " trying to teach me english which you do not seem to know"
[02:55] <mneptok> i have pants older than that kid
[02:58] <predator363> ﻿god im getting so exhausted iv been dealing with this crap for a wee and iv had a terribal day please someone just have the decency to help me so we dont have to ever see each other again
[02:59] <predator363> ﻿i have an ar5009 atheros card and it does not seem to be recodnised by ubuntu how may i get this card working and connected?
[02:59] <predator363> better?
[02:59] <predator363> im desperate
[03:00] <genii> predator363:Better, but perhaps ask now in this way in the support channel of #ubuntu
[03:00] <predator363> when i type in #ubuntu it takes me here
[03:01] <genii> predator363: Try maybe /j #ubuntu
[03:01] <predator363> t/y
[03:01] <Flannel> genii: No, he's forwarded here.
[03:01] <predator363> i'll try
[03:01] <predator363> hmmm?
[03:02] <genii> Flannel: Ah
[03:02] <predator363> so whado i do?
[03:02] <predator363> im trying to leave the house and i cant with this thing tethering me to a wall
[03:04] <predator363> im i just screwed then? should i kill myself and go back to vista cos i hate winblows and that would be death to me.
[03:06] <mneptok> predator363: i might have been willing to help you, but being called juvenile and being told by the quasi-literate that my English skills need work.
[03:06] <Flannel> predator363: First off, whatever sort of odd threat that was isn't going to work.  We're not just going to let you back into #ubuntu so you can cause more trouble.
[03:06] <mneptok> sorry, you had me, you lost me.
[03:06] <predator363> i wasent threatening i was making a joke about windows god
[03:07] <predator363> this is why i got so ticked off becouse you people have been acting like this to me since i got on
[03:07]  * mneptok tootles off to call paying customers
[03:07] <genii> mneptok: Coffees on you next time
[03:08] <predator363> and im not quasi literate i texan there's a difference
[03:08] <predator363> we might as well speak a different language
[03:09] <Flannel> predator363: alright, so, do you understand how to ask better questions now?
[03:09] <predator363> im cooling down now and im sorry to all even if no one decides to help me i realise losing my temper was why i did not recieve help iun the first place
[03:09] <mneptok> predator363: indeed. we'd usually say "i'm a Texan," utilizing the possessive pronoun.
[03:09] <predator363> lol
[03:09] <predator363> my fingers are dumb
[03:10] <genii> You need to have some patience and understand that most people here are volunteers and are doing the best they can
[03:10] <predator363> the best they can was flaming me becouse i dident understant the general practice of the chat?
[03:10] <mneptok> predator363: if you want support on demand, pay for it. otherwise, ride the dragon ...
[03:10] <predator363> i wasent even being demanding
[03:11] <predator363> i was being defencive
[03:11] <predator363> becouse i was attacked
[03:11] <predator363> defensive
[03:11] <predator363> i cant spell og well
[03:11] <predator363> arrghh stupid fingers!
[03:11] <Flannel> predator363: No one was attacking you.  But this is besides the point.  Do you understand how to ask better questions now?
[03:11] <predator363> yes
[03:12] <Flannel> predator363: Alright, since I know you're going to be an upright member of the community from now on, you might as well read the code of conduct.
[03:12] <Flannel> !coc | predator363 
[03:12] <Flannel> predator363: please read that, and let me know when you're familiar with it.
[03:12] <predator363> jeez is it long im in a hurry
[03:13] <predator363> oh not realy
[03:13] <predator363> its kinda short
[03:14] <predator363> iight i got it
[03:15] <predator363> god i cant beleave i just wated 75 minuets im so effed
[03:15] <predator363> waisted
[03:15] <Flannel> predator363: alright, I'll go ahead and see about getting that ban removed.  Just remember in the future, the people you're talking to are humans as well, and sometimes they have bad days, and an even more common occurance is just a misunderstanding.
[03:15] <predator363> thx
[03:15] <predator363> i was banned?
[03:15] <Flannel> if something feels like an attack, it probably isnt.  No one would benefit much from attacking you.  And if they are malicious, they'll be taken care of.
[03:16] <Flannel> Let us know if you feel that way in the future (like you're being attacked, etc).
[03:16] <Flannel> predator363: Alright, try joining #ubuntu now (/join #ubuntu)
[03:16] <predator363> thx
[03:17]  * Flannel will keep an eye on him in #u
[03:19] <genii> Interesting,he has not seemed to show up there yet
[03:21] <Flannel> He's there.
[03:23] <genii> It lightens my heart that Flannel is giving support
[03:23] <Flannel> Eh?
[03:23]  * Flannel has always given support.
[03:24] <genii> Flannel: Well, also in this case to someone just here, etc
[03:26] <Flannel> it's not like we're supposed to hold grudges or anything ;)
[03:27] <Flannel> "oh, you were banned yesterday and made fun of my vocabulary, lets ostracize you!"
[03:27] <genii> Hmm
[03:27] <genii> I'd likely be tempted
[03:28] <Pici> Flannel: But we're also human... or most of us anyway.
[03:29]  * Flannel just follows both codes of conduct.  Can't go wrong.
[03:29] <Flannel> Well, if you throw in a bit of common sense.
[03:31] <Flannel> and some other stuff.
[03:33]  * genii googles "other stuff"
[03:34]  * mneptok isn;t human, but they're part of my diet ...
[03:35] <Flannel> genii: mneptok's "other stuff" includes face tentacles
[03:36] <genii> You guys are beginning to scare me
[03:36] <Pici> Only just?
[03:37] <Flannel> genii: see? see? http://planet.ubuntu.com/heads/mneptok.png
[03:37] <genii> Pici: Delayed reaction
[03:37] <genii> So he's some strange green crab-thing?
[03:38] <Pici> ...
[03:38] <genii> bat-crab thing?
[03:39] <Flannel> crabs have tentacles?
[03:39] <Pici> Its a cartoon cthulhu 
[03:39] <genii> Interesting
[03:40] <genii> Isn't that from Mountins of Madness or so?
[03:40] <genii> *Mountains
[03:41] <Pici> Not that particular story, although that one was a doozy.
[03:44] <genii> Well, time to go. Laters
[03:44] <Pici> cyas
[04:03]  * mneptok lurches from a centuries-long slumber, oozing gods and heroes from his beaked mouthparts
[04:03] <mneptok> this is my Bethlehem. and soo i shall be born again into the world of men!
[04:03] <Hobbsee> hey mneptok!
[04:03] <mneptok> oh! HOOOOOOOOOOOOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!
[04:03] <mneptok> \o/
[04:20] <genii> @login
[04:20] <genii> Gotta love that bot
[04:24] <genii> Flannel: I see predator is still absorbing you in #ubuntu ;)
[04:25] <Flannel> genii: He'll be back tomorrow, run out of time today.
[04:31]  * genii sips a coffee
[04:31] <genii> @time Toronto
[04:32] <genii> Weird I wonder why the double 
[04:32] <Flannel> It's that important.
[04:33] <genii> Guess I should sleep then  to make the meeting
[04:33] <mneptok> meeting?
[04:37] <Flannel> mneptok: CC meeting, 7.5 hours
[04:37] <mneptok> yeah, i'll be asleep
[04:39] <Hobbsee> anything interesting on the agenda?
[04:43] <Flannel> Er... something about Ubunteros
[04:44] <Hobbsee> oh, and naming them?
[04:44] <Flannel> Mmmm, about gender vs the -o
[04:44] <Hobbsee> yup, unfortunately.
[04:45] <Flannel> Ubuntero isn't a spanish word, but apparently people mistake it as such.
[04:45] <Flannel> The proposed alternative is stupid though.
[04:45]  * Hobbsee wishes people would just get a grip
[04:45]  * Hobbsee also notes it was a MAN who brought it up.
[04:45] <Flannel> That actually doesnt surprise me
[04:46] <Hobbsee> brought it up in -women, too, and wondered why the women mostly didn't really jump on it
[04:47] <Flannel> Obviously it's not really an issue, just people being overly sensitive and paranoid about being PC
[04:47] <Hobbsee> well, i'ts clearly an issue for a few people
[04:54] <mneptok> what's the proposed alternative?
[04:54] <mneptok> "Ubuntidiot?"
[04:58] <Flannel> Ubuntista
[04:58]  * Flannel doesn't even drink coffee.
[05:43] <Flannel> Odd.  Why does fonts redirect to w.u.c?
[05:46] <Flannel> Hmmm, some user doesn't understand the distinction apparently
[05:48] <Flannel> figures.  Hasn't been on IRC in forever.
[07:24] <Mez> !fonts
[07:24] <Mez> !-ttf
[07:24] <Mez> !ttf is <alias> fonts
[08:54] <hischild> thereś a spammer in #ubuntu. Is it possible that he can be removed/silenced? 
[08:55] <jussi01> hischild: sorted
[08:55] <hischild> jussi01, my thank is great. 
[08:55] <jussi01> :)
[10:13] <ikonia> I'm torying with removing brutforce from ubuntu his attitude is getting annoying now
[10:13] <ikonia> I've pm'd him and asked him to alm down but he just wants to fight
[10:14] <ikonia> any thoughts, am I being a ltitle harsh ?
[10:16] <ikonia> ok - I think a troll is on the cards here
[10:17] <ikonia> apprantly he's reporting me and has a log of the conversation that shows me abusing him ???
[10:18] <ikonia> @btlogin
[10:19]  * jussi01 hugs ikonia
[10:19] <ikonia> it's fine, just wanted to make people aware
[12:45] <Pici> ikonia: Of course its a web page, duh.
[12:45]  * Pici hides
[12:45]  * ikonia loads the gun 
[14:17] <bazhang_> he had plenty of warnings.
[14:17] <Pici> Indeed.
[14:17] <bazhang_> as yet not responding to PM
[14:17] <Pici> Any idea what he was on about?
[14:17] <bazhang_> just saying long time no see, hey baby , etc.
[14:18] <bazhang_>  jim_p  С妹妹你好！means C-cup little sister
[14:19] <Pici> Well, at least he wasnt looking for support.
[14:19] <bazhang_> nice pun
[14:20] <Pici> Not intended actually.
[14:20] <bazhang_> ah well nice nonetheless
[14:20] <bazhang_> now he is suddenly able to speak English
[17:04] <genii> #kubuntu is amazingly dead today
[17:10] <ikonia> be thankful
[17:11] <genii> It's picked up now :)
[17:14] <Seeker`> genii: that is commonly referred to as "jinxing" it
[17:15] <Seeker`> if you comment on the lack of people / trolls, you'll end up dealing with a steady stream of determined trolls for the next few hours
[17:17]  * genii files this fact away
[17:34] <jussi01> hehe
[19:25]  * Pici sighs
[19:25] <Seeker`> whats wrong?
[19:26] <Pici> Seeker`: People trying to skirt the rules because things are explicitly mentioned.  
[19:28] <Seeker`> example?
[19:28] <Pici> Seeker`: -offtopic, regarding family friendly things and !o4o
[20:09] <LjL> Pici: -ot is nice but sometimes you're just brought to think they're all excrement heads saying excrements of a male cow and acting like male sexual organs and they should go copulate off. don't you.
[20:10] <Pici> LjL: It usually takes a lot for me to get to that point... at which I usually step away from the computer (or at least move to another one)
[20:11] <LjL> oh god
[20:11] <LjL> i've been highlighted again
[20:11] <LjL> pici, this will be the day you do
[20:14] <PriceChild> sorush looks purple
[20:14] <LjL> he's not a bot
[20:41] <Seeker`> "purple"?
[20:41] <Pici> Seeker`: realname  = purple = libpurple = pidgin
[20:49] <Pici> I'm going afk for a bit soon, can someone keep an eye on +1, I've already warned cypherdelic about his attitude about some joystick bug.
[20:56] <LjL> Pici: and i'd probably agree with him (though perhaps less vocally) if i were a gamer
[20:56] <Pici> LjL: If you game on the PC you should be using the keyboard anyway.
[20:59] <LjL> if you say so
[21:22] <elkbuntu> LjL, the regulars have gone feral again?
[21:24] <soundray> Is nobody there to keep the channel PG-suitable?
[21:24] <Flannel> soundray: which channel would that be?
[21:24] <soundray> #ubuntu
[21:25] <soundray> Oakenfold_xD
[21:25] <Flannel> soundray: What about him?
[21:25] <soundray> and an earlier !ops I called was ignored
[21:25] <elkbuntu> soundray, <Pi ci> See ker`: People trying to skirt the rules because things are explicitly mentioned.  
[21:25] <Flannel> Oh, missed that.
[21:25] <Flannel> missed oakenfold's second comment,
[21:25] <Flannel> soundray: not ignored
[21:37] <LjL> elkbuntu: they got me a little upset yesterday, that's all
[21:41] <LjL> anyway i'm not sure "aho_" should get away with calling someone a piece of shit with a simple "sorry", what do you think?
[21:41] <Tm_T> LjL: agreed
[21:41] <Tm_T> perhaps some time to think his doings
[21:43] <LjL> hello aho_
[21:44] <LjL> i wanted to ask you, while i see you said you were sorry (but only after an ops call)... what led you to call a fellow ubuntu user a "piece of shit"?
[21:45] <aho_> allergies mostly. 
[21:45] <aho_> they tend to make me agitated and miserable.  
[21:45] <LjL> excuse me?
[21:45] <aho_> especially in this fall season.
[21:45] <aho_> :(
[21:46] <LjL> aho_, well, if you're not in enough of a good mood to give support politely, then i suggest you abstain from giving support
[21:46] <LjL> Caleb merely asked a support question, and definitely didn't deserve such a personal insult on them
[21:48] <LjL> aho_, i'll send you a couple of links, and i really suggest you read them
[21:48] <LjL> !coc > aho_    (aho_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[21:48] <LjL> !guidelines > aho_    (aho_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[21:48] <LjL> !etiquette > aho_    (aho_, see the private message from Ubotu)
[21:50] <aho_> I understand
[21:50] <aho_> I'm often helpful
[21:50] <aho_> just a misstep on my part.
[21:54] <LjL> aho_: fine, i don't have anything more to say
[21:55] <juliux> LjL: ping
[21:55] <LjL> pong
[21:55] <aho_> thanks for your understanding.
[21:55] <LjL> @mark #ubuntu-ops aho_
[22:55] <jrib> LjL: judger
[22:56] <nalioth> ubottu: tell Neelabh about bot
[23:39] <jussi01> ok, Im off to bed. its like 1.40 am...
[23:40] <jussi01> as a parting shot, if anyones interested... hedgie vids!! http://jussi01.com/?p=42
[23:45]  * jrib curses at totem browser plugin for failing him once again
[23:45] <jrib> wow, you have a hedgehog
[23:45] <genii> A hyperactive one it looks like :)
[23:48]  * jrib wants to see him on the wheel
[23:48] <jrib> jussi01: looks like video 1 == video 2?