[00:31] ok, testcases change have been sent to RT, let's hope a sysadmin will apply it first thing tomorrow [00:47] stgraber, Mobile is i386. MID is lpia. There's only one image available for each anyway. [00:48] Oh, you already said that :) [02:05] Other than changing a couple of settings, it looks like the Xubuntu upgrade to 8.10 is working. [08:18] Morning Everybody [08:56] ubuntu desktop images, right-sized and updated 'n' stuff, should be posting in the next half hour or so [08:57] \o/ [09:06] or not, the desktop image is still oversized [09:06] * slangasek drops a langpack and respins [09:35] hey! [09:36] Do you have an idea of the status of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/removing-old-kernels ? (uninstall old kernels, remove old grub entries) [09:36] I'd like to update the latest ideas marked "in development" in brainstorm, and I was unable to see if this one is done or not... [09:38] hrm, nm, "Last-good-boot is implemented fully in Intrepid/8.10 now." [09:41] nand: system cleaner does it for you [09:42] davmor2: thanks for the info! [09:44] And a last one : https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/encrypted-private-directories : Is the encrypted ~/Private directory gonna be default, or is it going to be configurable? I haven't found any indication in the last live iso [09:45] It's configurable, but ubiquity doesn't have an interface to generate it on install. The option is presented on the alternate CDs. [09:48] Ok, and is that configurable after the install? [09:49] * persia looks at what it does [09:51] Yes, but non-trvially, from what I see. Looks like one installs ecryptfs-utils, sets some environment variables, and runs ecryptfs-setup-private. I'm guessing that ecryptfs-setup-private has a better front end post-install than in the installer. [09:52] okay, so that's feasible, but not for the common user. Thanks a lot for the infos! [09:53] There's probably a better way : I'm reconstructing from looking at installer internals, rather than from any idea how it's supposed to work. [09:53] * nand will need to add the "partially implemented" status in UB [09:54] nand, You'd probably do better to check with kirkland (likely in #ubuntu-server) about it : there might be a nice document somewhere making it easy for endusers. [09:55] persia: ok thanks for the pointer! [09:55] persia, nand: he did a blog post on it [09:56] davmor2: eh, thanks! /me looks for it [09:58] http://dustinkirkland.wordpress.com/2008/10/03/whats-in-my-encrypted-private-directory/ [09:59] simple... but unfortunately not for common users :( [10:00] when trying to install, gdm crashes, with an "Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode" error. Can anybody help me with this? [10:02] when installing 8.10, that is [10:02] kryptomorf, Which graphics card? [10:08] im not sure, some onboard acer card [10:09] lspci says: Silicon Integrated Systems? [10:09] Hrm. someone else reported something like that yesterday. You might search launchpad for a bug. Maybe it has a workaround. [10:20] yes well, I can't seem to find anything appropriate, but I'll keep looking.. [10:36] heno: Morning [10:36] morning davmor2 [10:36] I see we have some CDs [10:37] there is still a fairly long milestoned bug list though [10:39] I spoke to slangasek this morning he is basically just cleaning up the images so they aren't over sized and then respining them. I've started with netboot but it isn't on the tracker at the moment [10:39] I think pitti has taken over now though so he can sleep :) [10:40] heno: can you put mini.iso on the tracker or should I speak to pitti? [10:41] davmor2: I'll get it [10:42] heno: Thanks :) [10:45] stgraber, How can I find the mobile stuff on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ? [10:57] persia: are you sure the addition has landed? I don't see the mobile cases in the admin interface either [10:57] we may still be waiting for a sysadmin to push the change (typically Ng does that) [10:58] heno, I don't. Yesterday stgraber confirmed that all the required information was present. [10:58] Ah. OK. Any idea when that might happen? [10:59] persia: can you check with Ng? stgraber probably won't be around for a few hours [10:59] OK. === asac__ is now known as asac [11:12] Word on the updates for today is "soon". [11:15] Hmm. http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntumobile/all works now, but it says "We are not testing". [11:16] persia: it needs an admin to add the relevant tests :) [11:17] OK. Then "soon" :) [11:17] heno: ^^ [11:17] * persia still doesn't see "Ubuntu MID", but such is life, and it doesn't matter that much anyway [11:18] * heno looks [11:19] heno, While you're at it, Mythbuntu is the same, so I suppose it needs the same treatment. [11:19] persia: I can add them now. what are the build numbers? [11:19] build numbers? [11:19] yep, see it [11:20] image number, like 20081021.1, say [11:20] Do you mean which image is the RC candidate? [11:20] I'll go find out :) [11:20] right [12:07] morning [12:07] Good morning stgraber. [12:07] stgraber: morning dude what time is it there? [12:08] 7am [12:37] heno, Sorry for the delay. Ubuntu Mobile RC candidate is 20081021. [12:38] stgraber, Where should the cases for the Ubuntu MID flavour go? [12:39] persia: updating [12:40] heno, Thanks. [12:40] persia: I can add MID too now - same build #? [12:41] heno, No, there should be a 20081021.1 coming out soon, which would be better. [12:41] ok, I'll just add that then [12:41] heno, Also, I don't see MID in the filter list? Where will it go? [12:42] hm, not sure ;) [12:42] stgraber: ^ ? [12:42] * heno afk [12:42] It seems to have dropped into Ubuntu Mobile for some reason. [12:43] stgraber, When you get a chance, could you pull that out? They are different flavours, with different DEs, and are both likely to go multiarch for Jaunty. [12:43] Not critical for this test cycle, just because there aren't that many testers or test cases, but it ought be sorted at some point. [12:45] Also, I can't seem to download the Ubuntu Mobile image from the tracker, although it is available on cdimage, and shows up. Is there something else that needs doing? [12:59] morning cgregan [13:00] heno: netboot done [13:01] mornong [13:01] s/o/i [13:01] :D [13:01] Wake up Dude === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:27] persia: Ubuntu Mobile, both are there [13:28] stgraber, Can they be separated in the future? They are less similar than Ubuntu Desktop and Xubuntu Desktop. [13:28] I didn't want to add two filters as they both only had one entry and I didn't want to add them to the Ubuntu category either as there would have been lost in the middle of all the desktop,alternate,server and dvd images [13:29] You've convinced me. [13:30] For Jaunty, there are plans to make both of those work i386, amd64, and lpia, and probably at least one more flavour (Kubuntu-mobile), maybe two. Would "Mobile" be a sensible filter for all of those, or do you think they belong with Ubuntu and Kubuntu? [13:38] morning all :-) [13:39] morning ara! [13:39] hey heno :-) [13:47] Is the ubuntu alternate i386 worth testing? I see that desktop is rebuilding and I don't know if the are going to rebuild alternate any time soon [13:49] I think the desktops are just being redone to fix over-size, so alternates should be ok [13:49] ara: ^ [13:50] heno: thanks :-) I will test some of the installations, at least in vm, while doing some other stuff [13:59] * heno starts xubuntu 64-bit desktop === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:02] * davmor2 download mobile [14:05] davmor2, From cdimage directly, or from the tracker? [14:06] persia: trackers link should be the one on cdimage [14:06] davmor2, Right. Tracker link wasn't working for me, which is why I asked : I might be doing it wrong. [14:07] persia: no it's not linking to anything [14:08] davmor2, Do you know if that is something easy to change, or if it requires a DB update? [14:10] No idea I have very little to do with that side of the tracker speak to stgraber, heno etc [14:10] iso testing has started, y es? [14:10] liw: Yeap join the fun Dude [14:10] liw: y es :) [14:13] new desktop images are up too, no longer over-sized [14:13] persia: I didn't fix the download link as that requires code update in the magic that guess the URL from an image on the tracker [14:15] stgraber, Because the path is funny? [14:19] persia: well, because cdimage is funny [14:19] persia: I'm asking for a .manifest file at the root of cdimage for hmm at least 3 releases but still don't have it [14:19] stgraber, What would the .manifest contain? [14:20] path to the file, size and md5 would be great [14:20] I have a LP bug for that somewhere [14:21] bug 148944 [14:21] * pedro_ rsyncing the desktop image [14:22] stgraber: would it be possible to add the "Tomcat server" task test scenario to the server testcases on iso.qa.ubuntu.com ? [14:22] * davmor2 rsync's images [14:23] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/ServerInstall#tomcat-server [14:24] hmm, we same to have a problem there, it was supposed to be added [14:24] *seem [14:28] * pedro_ testing the i386 desktop image [14:33] Koon: fixed [14:33] heno: I got the latest ubuntu's synced now are they safe to test? [14:33] * heno takes some Kubuntu 64-bit desktop tests [14:34] davmor2: AFAIK, yes. they were only being fixed for size issues [14:34] cool I'll start wubi and m-a tests then :) [14:34] stgraber: cool, thanks ! [14:36] I take Ubuntu Alternate 32bit, LTSP and probably some other testcases [14:42] * ara takes alternate i386 [14:43] * heno takes kub-64 alt oem [14:43] * ara installs in Spanish, to check localization [14:54] persia: failing to install on my acer [14:55] davmor2, Excellent! How? [14:56] persia: locks up on detecting hardware. I'm going to give my usb drive a clean and try again in a minute [14:56] davmor2, Fails to boot live, or fails to boot post-install? [14:56] fails to boot live [14:57] davmor2: do other images work on the acer? [14:57] Also, is this behaviour different than deskop? [14:57] heno: unr is on it now [14:57] davmor2, That's not a useful comparison, as this would be a kernel/HAL/udev sort of thing. [14:57] kryptomorf mentioned a problem on an acer as well [14:58] persia: Like I say I'm going to give the drive a clean and try again incase of corruption [14:58] I believe there's something odd about intrepid's SiS video driver, as I've heard a few reports. Does this Acer also use that driver? [14:59] persia: it's not sis it's intel [14:59] Then it's a different issue. [14:59] might be wifi [15:00] * davmor2 dounle checks his hardware [15:00] s/n/b [15:01] persia: it's an intel corp Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Gfx Controller [15:10] heno: if you get chance at all I would appreciate a second on netboot edubuntu install. [15:10] davmor2: ok, will do [15:13] davmor2, Definitely a different issue then. [15:13] I've heard there is some fun RC testing around here [15:13] I came to watch it myself :) [15:14] * davmor2 hits luisbg_ with his big hammer and points out there are no spectators here ;) [15:15] luisbg_: Join the party Dude :) [15:15] anyone mind if I test Xubuntu livecd? [15:16] help yourself charlie-tca [15:20] persia: what would the boot option be for verbose on mobile? [15:20] I might find out where it's locking up that way [15:21] Same as anything else. I think it's noquiet, but I'm not 100% sure. [15:21] persia: ta I'll try it [15:22] davmor2, :) [15:22] anyone up to testing the ubuntu studio install cd? [15:23] * pedro_ doing desktop oem [15:25] that's xp and vista up oh and look at that cd's have just finished syncing too :) [15:28] davmor2: re bug 276317 - edubuntu-desktop depends on ubuntu-desktop, which in turn only recommends OOo and FF, so I guess it's expected [15:29] ogra: is that correct? OOo and FF are excluded from netboot installs of Edubuntu [15:29] slangasek: LTSP failed [15:30] (and we know why) [15:30] heno: It's missing other stuff too which I'm guessing are only recommends. [15:30] persia: yay up and running [15:30] heno, ? [15:30] heno, edubuntu-desktop is just an addon requiring ubuntu-desktop [15:31] ogra: it's still listed on the netboot [15:31] davmor2, What changed? [15:31] stgraber, though it might need a special caes for xubuntu :/ [15:31] stgraber, yes, but edubuntu-desktop should depend on ubuntu-desktop in any case (at least it did when i maintained it, not sure who took it now) [15:32] ogra: right, we were just wondering if the new behaviour with netboot was as expected. Installs fine, but leaves out OO and FF [15:32] weird [15:32] persia: I cleaned the usb drive by using sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdb and then tried it again [15:32] ogra: yeah, the d-i component should only set the repository to main+restricted if that's Ubuntu and all 4 if that's anything else [15:32] it's fine, u-desktop only _recommends_ OO and FF [15:32] ogra: or if possible just check the sources.list we have on the install target [15:32] davmor2, OK. I thought you'd found a bug. [15:32] stgraber, ubuntu or kubuntu [15:33] ogra: leaves out loadsa canonical stuff too. No jockey etc [15:33] stgraber, ugh, that sounds like a big patch [15:33] davmor2, i havent touched edubuntu since hardy i'm not sure who takes care now [15:34] it should depends on ubuntu-desktop as it did before [15:34] ogra: if [ -n `cat /target/etc/apt/sources.list | grep -v ^# | grep universe` ]; ? [15:34] ogra: it pulls in all the generic gnome stuff just not the other stuff as far as I can see [15:34] ogra: (haven't tried it) [15:35] stgraber, yeah, could work [15:35] davmor2, Depends: ubuntu-desktop [15:35] persia: no wifi [15:36] thats what i see for the edubuntu-desktop package [15:36] that should pull in all ubuntu-desktop deps [15:36] ogra: or just a [ -d /cdrom/dists/intrepid/universe ] [15:36] ogra: this one is probably more reliable [15:36] yeah [15:36] and smaller :) [15:37] persia: no brightness control [15:38] bug #284354 [15:38] Dunno about brightness. ogra? [15:38] ogra: can you do that fix ? I have a demo box to setup by the end of the day + some meetings. If you can't I'm happy to do it tonight after work. [15:38] persia, what image ? [15:38] mobile. [15:38] stgraber, later today, yes [15:39] persia, gnome-power-manager [15:39] slangasek: ^ if we have that fix today, will you rebuild the alternate images for it ? (and possible some other bugs, who knows) [15:39] ogra, Is there already a bug? [15:39] no idea what you guys are testing there, works on the Q1 here [15:39] not that i know of [15:39] note that brightness wont work on VMs [15:39] ogra: acer aspire one a110 [15:40] did you try normal ubuntu on it already ? [15:40] it shouldnt differ at all [15:40] hat would be a generic gpm bug [15:40] or hal [15:40] no I had unr on it [15:41] i suspect gpm, hal or even kernel acpi [15:41] but that would need confirmation with std ubuntu [15:41] mobile doesn nothing special about that parts [15:41] ogra I'll try it after [15:57] ara: if you have images with multiple drives there, and/or a USB CD-ROM bug 282037 could use some testing; the vesa bug is 246269 [15:58] heno: ok, thanks [16:00] Am I the only one having issues with the images in kvm? It seems to freeze randomly. [16:00] * ara reboots [16:01] last time I wasn't even able to change the VT because the display went mad when I did this, before I was able to read the syslog and the process list. They always got stuck with no appaerent reason. [16:01] * pedro_ starts kubuntu i386 [16:01] Sometimes while installing packages, sometimes while loading some installer components. [16:22] afflux: have you tried using the -vnc option? [16:22] That's working fine for me here - it might be a display issue [16:22] not yet. It's currently hanging at 2% of hardware detection in virtualbox [16:23] I fear it's an issue with my system.. [16:24] I did have similar issues when I tried doing multiple installs to the same disk image - I assume it's not that :) [16:25] you mean simultaneous? no, that's not it ;) [16:31] yes it was a head->desk moment for me ;) [16:32] heno: lol [16:33] afflux: intrepid or hardy (on the host)? [16:36] * ara takes xubuntu desktop 32bits [16:36] intrepid [16:37] schwuk: ^ [16:38] persia: ogra: still no working wifi even though it says the atheros driver is enabled [16:39] afflux: oh well. I had similar symptoms with kvm under hardy, but they went away with Intrepid. [16:39] davmor2, yes, thats bug 284354 [16:39] davmor2, if you install linux-backports-modules it should work [16:39] okay [16:39] i'm pusing for a kernel update before rleease with that ath5k fix [16:39] *pushing even [16:42] schwuk: hmm [16:43] I'll maybe try on a different machine (hardy) in the next few days, or rather around weekend. === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_tea [17:31] stgraber, is there a bug open for the ltsp buildfailure ? [17:41] * ara -> lunch [18:15] stgraber, http://paste.ubuntu.com/60602/ i'm still waiting for a confirmation from cody-sommerville that the dir actually exists though [18:20] ogra: I haven't opened a bug report, I'll do it if nobody did [18:20] if we need one at least [18:20] the fix should work i guess, but cody doesnt answer [18:20] i want to first make sure the dir actually is present on xubuntu CDs [18:21] ogra: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily/current/intrepid-alternate-amd64.list [18:22] ogra: /dists/intrepid/universe/binary-amd64/Release [18:22] * pedro_ doing kubuntu alt i386 [18:23] stgraber, perfect, thanks [18:29] NOTICE: We are re-spinning alternates to fix LTSP [18:30] stgraber, can you do the tests of it, i promised to track another compiz bug which i need to turn to [18:30] ogra: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ltsp/+bug/287098 [18:30] Launchpad bug 287098 in ltsp "LTSP fails to install from Ubuntu Alternate" [Undecided,New] [18:30] gah [18:31] already uploaded, need to remember to close that manually :) [18:31] ogra: I just filed the bug so you can close it [18:31] :) [18:31] np, that's just so we can also track it on the ISO tracker === davmor2_tea is now known as davmor2 [18:35] tea! [18:49] sbeattie: could you re-run your massive upgrade test please? from what I can see from the logs at 18th the problems should be all(?) fixed now [18:50] mvo: sure. [18:50] thanks! [18:53] mvo, sbeattie: nice work :) [19:03] ogra: persia: bloody weird I moved the brightness by using the keys and now it seems to think it exists? [19:03] wow [19:04] quick fyi, we have another round of Ubuntu desktop/alternate rebuilds coming down the pipe, folks; we've got enough stacked in the queue that we want to get more of this in pre-RC instead of post-RC [19:04] our goal is to have the packages published and rolled into the new images in ~3h - thank you for your perseverance :) [19:05] slangasek: that'll be tomorrow's testing then :) What images are left that are safe to test then? [19:07] xubuntu desktop is fair game; mythbuntu and ubuntustudio will probably be respun because they have quite a few out-of-date packages built up, but it would be helpful if someone could smoke-test those first [19:10] I bag xubuntu tonight then and go to bed anyone want the others? [19:29] davmor2: where's dl-iso now ? [19:30] qa tools two ticks [19:31] stgraber: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Isoscript [19:33] that's the page I couldn't find :) thanks [19:38] I can smoke test studio [19:44] I'm downloading every images I'll try tonight so that should take less time to rsync them afterwards [19:45] I guess Edubuntu add-on is safe to test as well [20:32] heno: good news, ara and I solved both problems to run desktop tests in checkbox :) [20:33] new ubuntu alternates are built; posting to the tracker now [20:33] kubuntu alternates are also built [20:34] and posted [20:36] cr3: cool :) [20:41] * sbeattie wonders if with ldtp we could create an automated test out of this recipe: https://bugs.launchpad.net/consolekit/+bug/269651/comments/41 [20:41] Launchpad bug 269651 in consolekit "console-kit-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in g_str_hash()" [High,In progress] [20:44] xubuntu alternate posted [20:48] if someone could test if update-notifier works fine (does not start and does not crash) in the guest session, what would be most appreciated [20:52] ubuntustudio posted [21:06] and mythbuntu alternate posted \o/ [21:09] * sbeattie ponders having the dl-iso script restart itself if it hits an iso that doesn't pass md5sum verification. [21:17] sbeattie: did you add the /dllist thing to dl-iso ? [21:19] stgraber: I didn't yet. [21:37] * mvo reboots to test i386-alternate [21:40] bug: when installing xubuntu localized in the live cd, when rebooting, the system is in English. You have to choose, on your first session your language in order to be localized. [21:40] is that known? is that a bug in ubiquity? [21:56] ara: bug 277526 [21:57] heno: thanks! I'll comment on that one. [22:00] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/language-selector/+bug/277526/comments/4 [22:00] Launchpad bug 277526 in language-selector "[8.10] Post-installation language support download does not work" [High,Triaged] [22:01] hrm, anyone seen a problem with their xmodmap settings getting reset when a usb keyboard is plugged in? [22:09] sbeattie: custom xmodmap settings? [22:11] yes. I remap caps-lock to meta; it's honored correctly for my laptop's keyboard, but then plugging in my usb keyboard, it's not honored there, but *still is* on my laptop's keyboard. [22:12] (I'm aware of bug 269619 but I'm not convinced it's the same thing) [22:14] rerunning xmodmap against my .Xmodmap file with my usb keyboard plugged in properly remaps the caps-lock key, but unplugging and plugging it back it in gets it unmapped again. [22:26] okay, filed a bug on it: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-evdev/+bug/287215 [22:26] Launchpad bug 287215 in xserver-xorg-input-evdev "[intrepid] xmodmap settings not getting honored when keyboard devices are hotplugged" [Undecided,New] [22:26] ubuntu desktop images posted [23:25] * stgraber takes Ubuntu alt 32bit [23:26] The edubuntu CDs still have WinFOSS actually (should have been removed - bug 276724) [23:26] not RC-critical, but would be nice to fix for final [23:26] is that milestoned ? [23:27] I don't even know who can do that kind of change :) [23:31] Hrm: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-cdimage/ perhaps? [23:33] ubuntu dvds should be publishing shortly, fwiw [23:34] It's https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/276724 cjwatson did a fix for the CD build script but it seems not to have stuck [23:34] Launchpad bug 276724 in ubuntu "Remove WinFOSS from Edubuntu add-on CD" [High,Triaged] [23:35] it's not clear to me, the patch looks sensible enough [23:35] possibly it didn't get pushed to the right branch [23:35] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kamion/ubuntu-cdimage/mainline/revision/719 [23:35] ah, could be [23:35] no, it is merged to the right place [23:35] checking the change [23:37] * heno takes kubuntu 64 alt [23:39] figured it out, the debian-cd scripts are still using the previously-downloaded tarballs [23:39] commented the bug, punting back to cjwatson [23:45] thanks slangasek :) [23:49] ok, so I have Ubuntu alt i386: ltsp, encryption and entire disk installing, will then do the same with 64bit [23:50] anyone mind a quick reroll of ubuntu-server? [23:55] slangasek: these are fast to test so not a problem for me