[00:14] <echidnaman> yo
[00:14] <Riddell> it's my very favourite antipodaean hedgehog
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[00:14] <JontheEchidna> So, sup?
[00:15] <Riddell> RC testing waiting on new images
[00:15] <JontheEchidna> nice, nice
[00:15] <Riddell> translations importing still ongoing
[00:15]  * JontheEchidna hopes adept bugs aren't in too bad of a shape
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: haha, so the favorites problem was because of a patch
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> :P
[00:21] <JontheEchidna> big suprise
[00:21] <apachelogger> just like I said
[00:21]  * JontheEchidna wonders if his brother applied any updates while he was away... probably not
[00:21] <apachelogger> but this apachelogger fool didn't strace kbuildsycoca4 earlier and thus always looked at the wrong patches
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> heh
[00:22] <Czessi> morning :.-)
[00:22] <JontheEchidna> looks like I missed a good meeting :(
[00:22] <a|wen> hi Czessi
[00:23] <JontheEchidna> a|wen: congrats on membership though :)
[00:24] <a|wen> thx JontheEchidna :)
[00:26] <Czessi> Hi a|wen
[00:30]  * a|wen wonders who broke kdepim 3.5.10 so badly in all the cornercases
[00:30] <Czessi> i'm too busy the last time. i've installed intrepid some days ago on my msi notebook and i've still some problems with bluetooth. is this problem known (kbluetooth chrashed)?
[00:32] <a|wen> Czessi: there was a lot of talk lately about bluetooth beeing completely broken ... actually don't know if anybody managed to fix it
[00:38] <Czessi> a|wen: thanks for this information. i've  backport the bluetooth packages to hardy and have still some problems too.
[00:40] <a|wen> Czessi: bluetooth works fine for me in hardy
[00:43] <Czessi> a|wen: for me too, but not the kde4 backported  stuff
[00:44] <a|wen> oh ... that i know nothing about
[01:42] <freeflying> Riddell: yes, skim make scim-bridge unusable in kde4 by now
[01:52] <apachelogger> freeflying: there ain't is no skim for KDE 4
[01:53] <apachelogger> freeflying: how would skim interfere with scim-bridge anyway?
[01:54] <freeflying> apachelogger: seems the scim-panel-kde
[01:54] <apachelogger> hm
[01:55] <apachelogger> I wondered today wy we have that in the default install
[01:55] <freeflying> apachelogger: skim?
[01:55] <apachelogger> I figured it might make sense for the few KDE 3 apps we have left
[01:55] <apachelogger> freeflying: yes
[01:55] <freeflying> apachelogger: yes, its make no sense for kde4
[01:55] <apachelogger> well, amarok for example is still at KDE 3
[01:55] <apachelogger> same for digikam
[01:56] <freeflying> apachelogger: skim is just thekde front end of scim
[01:57] <apachelogger> freeflying: so it would work as well without skim?
[01:57] <freeflying> apachelogger: sure
[01:58] <freeflying> apachelogger: and with gtk-qt-engine-kde4, users may not know scim is a gtk stuff :)
[02:00]  * apachelogger falls off his chair because drunk quite an amount of rum 
[02:01] <apachelogger> I seriously shouldn't do conversation when I am unsober
[02:01] <apachelogger> freeflying, Riddell: anywho, I think we should remove skim
[02:01] <apachelogger> it didn't look too nice too me earlier
[02:02] <apachelogger> the fact that there is no KDE 4 frontend (released, or in a RCS) doesn't make it any better IMHO
[03:01] <jjesse> grumble updated my kubuntu install and can't connect to the wireless anymore
[03:02] <JontheEchidna> Anybody know how to disable tap-touchpad-to-click with Intrepid?
[03:03] <vorian> isn't it in keyboard settings
[03:03] <vorian> prefs
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> my dad couldn't find it...
[03:05] <JontheEchidna> tapping always initiates a double click and it's driving him crazy
[03:38] <ScottK> apachelogger: Thanks for finding the Ark patch.  Now can you make it work if I click on a diff.gz in Launchpad using Konqueror?
[03:38] <rgreening> hey jtechidna
[03:38] <ScottK> rgreening: I didn't have scrollback when I was here earlier from my phone.  Thanks for looking into it.
[03:39] <rgreening> np. I figured out it wasnt getting to the plugin... apachelogger found why
[03:39] <rgreening> :)
[04:15] <Hobbsee> a surprising number of people still want kde3 for intrepid
[04:15] <jjesse> been reading kubuntu-users lately?
[04:15] <Hobbsee> no
[04:16] <Hobbsee> i only read the bits that fall in the moderation queueu
[04:16] <jjesse> it seems like all they talk about that mailing list
[04:16] <jjesse> how much they hate kde4 and then they never want to contribute to make it "better"
[04:18] <Hobbsee> of course htey don't - they're users, and just want to whine
[04:18] <yuriy> start a kubuntu-whiners ml
[04:19] <jjesse> that's pretty much all that they do
[04:20] <rgreening> lol
[04:21] <rgreening> I hated KDE 4.0 as it was really feature lacking. However 4.1.2 is a lot better
[04:21] <jjesse> i like 4.1.2 as well
[04:22] <rgreening> especially the nice additions we have all added
[04:22] <rgreening> :P
[04:23] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Even I like 4.1.2 and I hate everything new.
[04:24] <rgreening> mr crotchety
[04:24] <rgreening> :)
[04:24] <ScottK> rgreening: You forgot "Old and ..."
[04:24] <rgreening> I didn't want to throw stones in a glass house (as it were)
[04:25] <ScottK> Fortunately none of the whiners seem to have found my blog post from today.
[04:26] <ScottK> I got some "Does this work" questions, but that's it.
[04:27] <rgreening> heh
[04:28] <jjesse> i should post on the kubuntu users mailing list then
[04:28] <jjesse> i stoped responding "if you don't like it so much have made any suggestions to improve it or write code to get improved"
[04:28] <rgreening> Well, with Hardy backports, they can keep KDE 3.5 for a while yet...
[04:28] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:29] <ScottK> rgreening: Except 3.5.10 is in -updates now.
[04:29] <ScottK> No need for backports.
[04:29] <rgreening> you know what I mean hehe
[04:30] <ScottK> There's no reason I want fgrlx-modaliases on a box with Intel graphics, right?
[04:31] <rgreening> hmm... no dun believe so...
[04:35]  * ScottK ponders moving the laptop over by the 17 year old's bedroom door (she went to be a long time ago) and playing fretsonfire.
[04:35] <rgreening> lol
[04:44]  * rgreening needs to update python plasma from trunk...
[07:48] <superm1> Hi kids, could someone using KDM comment about the directories used for auth files?
[07:48] <superm1> do they actually end up in /var/lib/xdm/authdir/authfiles/* or somewhere else?
[08:29] <jussi01> Morning all!
[08:44] <metellius> apachelogger: yes, I noticed it
[08:44] <metellius> thumbs up
[09:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: hah.  I'll have to try it, with the iso testing
[10:37] <Riddell>  < slangasek> Riddell: kubuntu alternate and desktop are all updated and eager for testing
[10:37] <Riddell> get testing folks!
[10:45] <Riddell> ah, Tonio_, just the man for some CD testing :)
[10:52] <davmor2> don't call you subtle Riddell for nothing then ;)
[10:58] <Riddell> anyone fancy doing https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu ?
[11:02] <kwwii> Riddell: clicked on link, nothing happens
[11:08] <kwwii> hrm, the usplash gets a different resolution as the ubuntu images from yesterday
[11:08] <kwwii> ubuntu looked good and kubuntu is huge and scaled
[11:08] <Riddell> kwwii: the wiki page?  that's because someone needs to create it
[11:14] <kwwii> Riddell: I need to file a bug about the install window on the live cd, which package is that?
[11:15] <Riddell> kwwii: ubiquity
[11:15] <Riddell> kwwii: what's the bug?
[11:16] <kwwii> Riddell: the Release Notes link cut off (bottom half not visible)
[11:16] <Riddell> kwwii: I've fixed than in bzr
[11:16] <kwwii> Riddell: ok, then there is no need to file a bug then :-)
[11:29] <kwwii> ouch...Xsession: unable to launch failsafe X session --- x-terminal-emulator not found; aborting
[11:30] <kwwii> Riddell: it appears that kde was not selected after first reboot
[11:49] <seaLne> weird after updating and rebooting this morning kdm login was on the left head and the run command appears on the left aswell now, previously they were on the right head
[11:51] <seaLne> the fun unpredictability continues ;)
[11:51] <jussi01> seaLne: which graphics card do you have?
[11:51] <seaLne> ati
[11:52] <jussi01> hrm, I had preference for my dvi on my nvidia - it should clone IMHO
[11:53] <kwwii> Riddell: I made a bug for kdm-kde4, hope that is the correct package
[11:53] <seaLne> for intrepid wouldn't it just be kdm?
[11:59] <Arby> kwwii: I had something similar, do your symptoms resemble bug 281950 at all?
[12:03] <kwwii> Arby: no, for me kdm starts fine, but after I type username and password I get an ugly X error message saying the Xsession failed...when I look at the session menu nothing is selected...selecting kde then makes everything work
[12:03] <Arby> hmm, so slightly different bugs with the same work around
[12:03] <seaLne> kwwii: encrypted /home?
[12:04] <kwwii> seaLne: nope
[12:04] <seaLne> Riddell: to confirm the rc wiki page dosen't seem to exist
[12:04] <kwwii> wierd, when I log out and go back to kdm nothing looks selected in the session menu but it does add "previous" to kde and starts fine
[12:05] <Riddell> seaLne: I know, I was requesting someone made it :)
[12:05] <seaLne> ah :P
[12:10] <apachelogger> kwwii: known glitch
[12:11] <kwwii> apachelogger: well, now there is a bug for it :-)
[12:11] <apachelogger> oh, where?
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: https://launchpad.net/bugs/287488
[12:12] <apachelogger> nicey
[12:13] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[12:14] <apachelogger> kwwii, Riddell: the 'after installation' part is a bit puzzling
[12:14] <apachelogger> I did about 10 installations within the last couple of days and never faced that issue
[12:17] <kwwii> apachelogger: did you format the drive? ie is it getting that setting from some previous installation?
[12:18] <apachelogger> kwwii: no, completely formatted drive
[12:18] <kwwii> apachelogger: hrm, freaky...I think I will install again and see if it happens again
[12:18] <apachelogger> k
[12:19] <Riddell> kwwii: you previously had kde 4 from hardy on that machine?
[12:19] <kwwii> Riddell: no, it had an ubuntu install from yesterdays daily
[12:20] <Riddell> hmm, so maybe it's trying to start gnome and failing
[12:21] <Riddell> it really should do that warning though
[12:23] <kwwii> Riddell: the thing is, why doesn't it start some failsafe system?
[12:23] <seaLne> its not designed to?
[12:24] <Riddell> that would be too clever
[12:24] <kwwii> seaLne: erm, so if kde doesn't start you shouldn't be able to use your computer at all?
[12:25] <kwwii> but anyway
[12:25] <seaLne> should kget leave its icon in the middle of my screen while running? not realy played with it before
[12:26] <Riddell> seaLne: yeah, there's a reason we don't have kget on the CDs
[12:26] <seaLne> kwwii: i was just sugesting why it dosen't not saying that in all circumstances it was good
[12:26] <kwwii> you know, it is kinda hard to test kde4 for bugs...there are so many little things wrong
[12:26] <Riddell> it has the weirdest UI
[12:26] <kwwii> seaLne: yeah, I understand
[12:28] <kwwii> like clicking in the menu to logout, getting the logging out window, clicking on logout to do it immediately, returning to the desktop and then after a few seconds loging out, same thing with shutdown
[12:29] <seaLne> the returning to the desktop i find more confusing than being asked to confirm
[12:30]  * supert0nes loves the new adept, but will like it even more when it uses the extenders notifications
[12:30] <Riddell> supert0nes: hugs go to mornfall
[12:30] <Riddell> supert0nes: extenders notifications?
[12:31] <supert0nes> i just read a blog about them on planet
[12:32] <apachelogger> kwwii: it would eventually start the failsafe session, but Riddell didn't allow me to add the failsafe's deps to kubuntu-desktop :P
[12:32] <supert0nes> ahh yes aseigo posted something. very nice notification system
[12:34] <kwwii> Riddell: so I can confirm that on a clean formated install this does *not* happen
[12:34] <kwwii> kdm works fine, the desktop starts, etc
[12:35] <apachelogger> it woudl have been nice to know what the actual .dmrc entry was when it didn't login
[12:36] <kwwii> apachelogger: yes, that probably would have been good :p
[12:37] <kwwii> apachelogger: now that I look at it again...there was a gnome entry before and now there is not
[12:38] <Arby> apachelogger: I did my upgrade in a VM, I could revert to previous snapshot and try again if that's useful
[12:40] <kwwii> shouldn't konqueror open to a size in which the whole start page is shown without scrolling?
[12:40] <Riddell> seele is the dudette for default window sizes
[12:41] <kwwii> ahhh, so the size is simply set somewhere...ie there is no logic behind it
[12:42] <kwwii> erm, not saying that women do not use logic
[12:42] <Riddell> Description=Konqueror initial default size
[12:42] <Riddell> size=750,560
[12:43] <Riddell> of course it might depend on your font settings, which might depend on your monitor
[12:43] <apachelogger> kwwii: would be very helpful, if an entry is not valid KDM would show http://aplg.kollide.net/images/osiris/snapshot175.png so this issue is kind of weird
[12:44] <kwwii> apachelogger: totally agree. in addition it would be nice if the selected option showed up as selected
[12:45] <kwwii> all radio buttons are empty every time I start kdm, even if something is selected
[12:46] <kwwii> but when I click on a selection it then shows as selected
[12:54] <seele> kwwii:i actually made the konq size a little bigger than the programmed default but it still seems to be too small for some screens.  The font wraps weird and not all the boxes show up
[12:55] <seele> kwwii: the problem with 800,600 is that is too big for eees :(
[12:55] <seele> we should probably think about two different configs for mobile vs desktop
[12:57] <kwwii> seele: in my case the start page gets cut in half...not the best representation but I understand the problem
[12:57] <kwwii> on an eee it should probably just have a smaller formated start page or some logic to make things work better
[12:57] <seele> hum.. that shouldnt be the case at all.. can you send me a screenshot?
[12:57] <kwwii> sure, one second
[13:01] <kwwii> well, it is no exactly cut in half, I take that back...http://sinecera.de/screen.png
[13:01] <kwwii> stil ugly though
[13:03] <seele> yeah, i'ts not 600 in height :-/
[13:04] <seele> kwwii: if you think it is a big deal we might be able to change it to 600 since it is one little option
[13:04] <seele> Riddell: ^?
[13:05] <seele> uh..
[13:08] <seele> hmm
[13:19] <apachelogger> oh my, it is capslockday again
[13:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: PLING
[13:22] <kwwii> seele: my guess is that it is too late for changes like that
[13:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: PLONG
[13:23] <apachelogger> Nightrose: YOU ARE ON INTREPID?
[13:23] <Nightrose> NOPE HONEY
[13:23] <apachelogger> :(
[13:23]  * apachelogger COULD USE HIS VM
[13:24] <mornfall> w.t.f.
[13:24] <jussi01> apachelogger: IS THERE SOMETHING YOU NEED TESTED THAT I CAN HELP WITH?
[13:24] <kwwii> apachelogger: is there something I can test for you?
[13:24] <jussi01> :P
[13:24] <mornfall> -->
[13:24] <mornfall> : - P
[13:24] <apachelogger> AMAROK-NIGHTLY NEEDS TESTING, AND MY MACHINE IS PRETTY BUSY BUILDING KDE-NIGHTLY RIGHT NOW
[13:29] <Nightrose> apachelogger: are you aware that kde.nightly on hardy currently has update problems?
[13:29] <apachelogger> Nightrose: HOW SO?
[13:29] <Nightrose> SEC ;-)
[13:30] <Nightrose> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/m3818d7f3
[13:30] <apachelogger> Nightrose: JUST TRY AGAIN, APPARENTLY THE FILE WAS MOVED AROUND
[13:30] <Nightrose> try again what?
[13:30] <apachelogger> UPGRADING
[13:31] <Nightrose> i did
[13:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: OR TRY DIST-UPGRADE
[13:31] <Nightrose> k
[13:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is your shift key broken?
[13:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: http://capslockday.com/
[13:31] <Nightrose> apachelogger: doesn't help
[13:31] <apachelogger> Nightrose: TWICE
[13:32] <jussi01> !caps
[13:32] <jussi01> :P
[13:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: still
[13:32] <apachelogger> HM
[13:33] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I LAUNCH A REBUILD, IF IT DOESN'T WORK AFTER THAT, SOMEONE DIDN'T REMOVE THE FILE AFTER MOVING
[13:33] <Nightrose> alright
[13:33] <ScottK> Arrrr. I'd rather me be talking like a pirate.
[13:33] <Nightrose> hehe
[13:34] <apachelogger> <3 TALK LIKE A PIRATE DAY
[13:47] <Riddell> davmor2: wubi installs work for you in kubuntu?  you get ubiquity showing up on reboot?
[13:47] <davmor2> Riddell: yeap
[13:48] <davmor2> it takes a while but it shows up in the end :)
[13:58] <jtechidna> apachelogger: HAI2U, AND GOOD MORNING
[13:58] <apachelogger> HOLA JontheEchidna
[13:59]  * JontheEchidna WONDERS
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> !caps
[13:59] <JontheEchidna> \O/
[14:09] <rgreening> g'day
[14:18] <Riddell> good morning rgreening
[14:19] <rgreening> :) how are thou Riddell
[14:19] <Riddell> spacious, my lodgers have moved out
[14:20] <rgreening> ah.. room to grow
[14:21] <rgreening> what's on todays radar that I can help with?
[14:21] <ScottK> ISO testing
[14:23] <rgreening> I need a new computer... so I can keep one for mucking around with
[14:23] <Riddell> you can try virtualbox or the like
[14:24] <ScottK> Plus there are Live CD test cases too.
[14:24] <rgreening> I have vbox and tested intrepid with it. seemed fine
[14:24] <rgreening> ScottK: ok, point me to them
[14:24] <rgreening> Riddell: I assume a vbox install of hardy and up to intrepid would be useful then too
[14:25] <Riddell> rgreening: certainly would
[14:25] <rgreening> Riddell: how should I up in hardy then, via adept release upgrade or launch from iso or something
[14:26] <Riddell> rgreening: follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[14:26] <ScottK> Riddell: It'd be handy to have the link to the iso tracker in /topic
[14:27] <Riddell> ScottK: go for it
[14:27] <rgreening> ty
[14:27] <ScottK> Riddell: Right.  Then I'd have to find it.
[14:27] <ScottK> OK.  In a moment.
[14:27]  * rgreening loads vbox with hardy
[14:43] <rgreening> hey claydoh
[14:43] <claydoh> hi rgreening
[14:43] <rgreening> you still looking at a FAQ for Kubuntu KDE4 users.... want some assistance...
[14:44] <claydoh> yes,will get mor typed and posted somewhere today i have some partial stuff typed out,
[14:44] <rgreening> ok, let me know. I'll help fill in the gaps :)
[14:44]  * claydoh hates his 12+hour days at work
[14:45] <claydoh> ok and thanks!
[14:45] <rgreening> np
[14:45] <rgreening> ~np
[14:45] <kubotu> rgreening listened to "Flawless (Go to the City)" by George Michael [Patience, 2004] 17 hours ago
[14:45] <rgreening> omg... oops
[14:45] <claydoh> ?
[14:46] <claydoh> :)
[14:47]  * rgreening must remember to turn of random song selections
[14:47] <claydoh> nothing wrong with that ;)
[14:48] <claydoh> how cold is it up in your area,m rgreening?
[14:48] <claydoh> we have our first snow threat here in MAine
[14:49] <rgreening> haha... you had snow before I did
[14:49] <rgreening> :)
[14:49] <rgreening> It's quite mild today
[14:49] <claydoh> no, just the threat here rain instead
[14:49] <ScottK> claydoh: Where in Maine?
[14:49] <rgreening> hrm... here's hoping we can hold it off
[14:49] <claydoh> Bangor, Brewer actually
[14:50] <rgreening> I was in Bangor last year... well drove through... on the way to Kittery
[14:50] <ScottK> Ah.  I've spent winters in Bath and Portland.
[14:50] <rgreening> Maine is beautiful
[14:50] <claydoh> ScottK: well tha's just northern Mass anyway :)
[14:53] <ScottK> Well I've also spent a winter in Iceland and it was far colder in Maine.
[14:57] <Riddell> 14:52 < pitti> Kubuntu DVD images available on cdimage and ISO tracker
[15:03] <ScottK> Debian Bug 503095 only affects making updated translations, not using ones we have, right?
[15:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: I just had the kdm problem on an upgrade from kde 4 hardy
[15:09] <Riddell> .dmrc had Session=default
[15:19] <apachelogger> Oo
[15:24] <apachelogger> Riddell: upgraded from a stock KDE 4 installation?
[15:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[15:45] <ScottK> Riddell: For Jaunty should we have a spec on Akonadi integration?  How much do we want?  Do we want it by default?  ...
[15:46] <apachelogger> ScottK: that depends in every single aspect on upstream
[15:47] <apachelogger> not much choice we have there, if KDE decides akonadi integration is stable/usable enough for 4.2 then the legacy stuff will only be supported through akonadi
[15:47] <ScottK> OK.
[15:47] <ScottK> Urgh.
[15:48]  * ScottK is not looking forward to the day his mail gets stuffed in some opaque file structure.
[15:48] <apachelogger> dbs > file :P
[15:48] <ScottK> I can't grep that.
[15:48] <apachelogger> you can query it
[15:48] <ScottK> And yes, I do use grep on may maildirs
[15:48] <apachelogger> in any case it should be more reliable than the old scheme
[15:49] <jcastro> I am looking for Kubuntu sessions for openweek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
[15:49] <jcastro> holler at me if you have questions!
[15:49]  * apachelogger thinks JontheEchidna could do a session
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> maybeh
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> so do we want a general "LOL HALP US" type session?
[15:52] <JontheEchidna> or maybe something a bit more interesting...
[15:52] <apachelogger> <3 interesting
[15:53] <jcastro> yeah, something interesting, I'm trying to shake it up to make the sessions more unique
[15:53]  * JontheEchidna thinks about it for a bit
[15:53] <jcastro> instead of rehashes from the last time
[15:54] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: "Why Kubuntu's KDE release handling is superior to any other" :P
[15:54] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> "lol we are awesome, the end"
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> *cue awesomeness wallpaper
[15:56] <rgreening> I may be interested in presenting something... but I need to think on it... get some ideas
[15:57] <ScottK> rgreening: Usability feautres for the elderly?
[15:57] <rgreening> codine for coders
[15:57] <apachelogger> <3 codeine
[15:57]  * rgreening can't spell
[15:58] <apachelogger> though it had rendering glitches
[15:58]  * apachelogger is one package away from a KDE trunk desktop :D
[15:58] <rgreening> kool
[15:58]  * rgreening is updating plasma python... maybe fixed the example...
[16:01] <apachelogger> i386 build of kde-nightly-kdebase 20081022+svn874850-0neon1 in ubuntu intrepid RELEASE
[16:01] <apachelogger>  Build started 1 minute ago on iridium (virtual)
[16:02] <apachelogger> \o/
[16:05] <rgreening> hehe
[16:09] <freeflying> apachelogger: how many kde3 applications do we have in kubuntu intrepid?
[16:10] <supert0ne1> rgreening: that example worked for me the clock
[16:10] <apachelogger> freeflying: apt-cache rdepends kdelibs4c2a
[16:10] <rgreening> supert0ne1: ?
[16:11] <rgreening> supert0ne1: but the hands/time isn't, right?
[16:11] <supert0ne1> oh
[16:11] <rgreening> cuase I commented out the dataengine
[16:11] <supert0ne1> i guess i didn't look that far into it
[16:11] <rgreening> s/cuase/cause
[16:11] <rgreening> ok...
[16:11] <rgreening> hehe
[16:11] <supert0ne1> so thats why it runs now
[16:11] <supert0ne1> heh
[16:11] <rgreening> :)
[16:12] <rgreening> I have an update for the package. building it now
[16:12] <rgreening> so, I may have a 10% working clock soonish
[16:12] <rgreening> s/10/100
[16:12] <rgreening> lol
[16:35] <davmor2> Riddell: around
[16:35] <nixternal> OK, I don't think the issue I am seeing is 100% X, I think krandr is the issue and it is a pita to figure out
[16:36] <nixternal> hrmm, I have even nuked my krandrrc and still have the issue
[16:47] <davmor2> Guys oem is broke on kubuntu again
[16:51] <Riddell> hmm
[16:52] <davmor2> Riddell: I think it might be tied into your issue with wubi too it sounds similar
[16:53] <davmor2> Riddell: also heno I think is running a desktop install to confirm on desktop version too
[16:57] <txwikinger> My plasma crashed
[17:03] <kwwii> my lcd is working fine :p
[17:06] <claydoh> rgreening: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration bare and ugly so far
[17:20] <rgreening> claydoh: thanks. I'll have a read
[17:20] <apachelogger> claydoh: it suggest an upgrade with 9.04
[17:21] <apachelogger> we are trying to support upgrades from 8.04 => 9.04 as good as possible, can't say the same about 9.10 really
[17:21] <apachelogger> s/suggests/should suggest
[17:22] <claydoh> so 8.04 to 8.10 are unsupported officially
[17:23] <apachelogger> 8.04 => 9.10 aren't
[17:23] <apachelogger> 8.04 => 8.10 is supported but not prompted automagically because of the "I might want to stick with KDE 3" cases
[17:24] <apachelogger> but AFAIK 8.04 will prompt for upgrade once 9.04 is release, which is then suggested because upgrades to 9.10 can cause problems
[17:24] <apachelogger> Tonio_: drf__ in #kde-devel seems to be (wants to be) working on policykit integration for 4.2, you should talk to him
[18:14] <\sh> apachelogger: just a reminder: 11th january -> \sh birthday -> please send this as birthday present: http://www.comsciences.com/product.htm
[18:14] <apachelogger> lol
[18:19] <apachelogger> Nightrose: what do you say, should we get \sh such a thingy?
[18:21] <Nightrose> apachelogger: if you pay for it yes ;-)
[18:21]  * apachelogger was thinking about a shared effort :P
[18:21] <Nightrose> :P
[18:21] <Nightrose> <- poor student, remember?
[18:21] <apachelogger> <- poor unemployed
[18:22] <apachelogger> Nightrose: best idea, we just sell our xmas presents
[18:22] <Nightrose> heh nope
[18:22] <Nightrose> not gonna happen
[18:22] <Nightrose> sorry
[18:23] <apachelogger> pff
[18:23] <apachelogger> \sh: Nightrose ain't loving you
[18:23] <Nightrose> :/
[18:23] <Nightrose> apachelogger: you know my heart belongs to you, don't you?
[18:23] <Nightrose> ;-)
[18:23] <Nightrose> ohh wait
[18:23] <Nightrose> not true
[18:23] <Nightrose> :P
[18:23] <apachelogger> exactly!
[18:24]  * apachelogger feels the lies
[18:24] <rgreening> _Sime: you around?
[18:24] <apachelogger> causes a very weird vibration in the force
[18:24] <Nightrose> hehe
[18:25] <\sh> apachelogger: hehehe
[18:26]  * \sh 's heart belongs to apachelogger ,->
[18:26] <apachelogger> also applies vice versa
[18:28] <\sh> ok...EOB for today...going home now
[18:45] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently kdm-kde4 doesn't get removed
[18:46] <Riddell> apachelogger: the init script and config files don't
[18:47] <Riddell> we can't purge it because the config script is now used by kdm
[18:47] <apachelogger> hm, ok
[18:47] <apachelogger> *rebooting*
[19:12] <jjesse> yay back up over 1000 juice points... more amazon gift certificates :)
[19:12] <jjesse> doh wrong channel sorry bout that
[19:13] <Riddell> congratulations though, on whatever that is
[19:18] <_Sime> juice is normally healthy. Well done jjesse!
[19:36] <_Sime> rgreening: yessssss
[19:36] <_Sime> Riddell: do you (or anyone else) know when Guidance was first shipped as part of Kubuntu?
[19:37] <rgreening> _Sime: hey... I'm playing with the plasma python stuff
[19:37] <_Sime> and you are having trouble building everything??
[19:37] <rgreening> _Sime: and have an issue. the pyclock crashes when connecting to pytime
[19:37] <rgreening> it's all built....
[19:38] <_Sime> well done. Now grab the SIP & PyQt4 snapshots from riverbank and rebuild again.
[19:38] <_Sime> that's a known bug.
[19:38] <rgreening> _Sime: oh...
[19:38] <_Sime> I've got a half written wiki page here describing how to set this up...
[19:39] <_Sime> and what you need.
[19:39] <rgreening> _Sime: omg... link....
[19:39] <rgreening> :)
[19:39] <_Sime> it is just that you people are faster and keener that I had expected. ;-)
[19:39] <rgreening> _Sime: I've been wanting this sooooooooooooooooooooooooo bad
[19:40] <rgreening> _Sime: the other potential issue is the sip files for 4.1.2 vs what's in trunk. you used twine to gen those... do you have details on getting this accurate for 4.1.2 using twine? or some hints?
[19:40] <_Sime> hehe
[19:41]  * rgreening bows down to _Sime
[19:41] <_Sime> the wiki page is actually just in my email client right now.
[19:42] <_Sime> You're really keen to get that on 4.1.2. why exactly?
[19:43] <rgreening> some missing bits I want to implement in plasma/python
[19:43] <rgreening> some things I miss from KDE 3.5 and couldn't be bothered with coding them in C++ atm
[19:44] <rgreening> plus trying to learn python... and want a stable/release of KDE to work in (it's my only desktop)
[19:44] <_Sime> just run trunk in a nested X.
[19:44] <_Sime> that is what I do.
[19:44] <_Sime> works well.
[19:45] <rgreening> I want the apps I make available to me in a production env is the problem
[19:45] <rgreening> :P
[19:45] <rgreening> any change you can fwd me what you have written?
[19:46] <rgreening> s/change/chance
[19:46] <rgreening> and then i'm in your debt and owe you a favor sometime :)
[19:46] <yuriy> _Sime: dapper IIRC, but not sure, could have been breezy
[19:47] <_Sime> yuriy: wasn't dapper the longer term release? maybe it was edgy.
[19:48] <yuriy> no, it was definitely already in dapper
[19:49] <yuriy> _Sime: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance
[19:49] <_Sime> yuriy: ok, thanks.
[19:50] <Riddell> sime guidance was in the first kubuntu i think
[19:50] <Riddell> certainly the second
[19:50] <Riddell> so hoary or breezy
[19:50] <_Sime> I don't think so...
[19:50] <_Sime> I swear I had kubuntu before I had guidance going.
[19:51] <Riddell> maybe i'm wrong
[19:51] <yuriy> it was in breezy https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde-guidance/+publishinghistory
[19:52] <_Sime> was it that long ago???
[19:53] <rgreening> _Sime: do you know what specific commit(s) in SIP PyQt4 fixes the issue?
[19:53] <_Sime> rgreening: no, the snapshots don't really show commits.
[19:54] <rgreening> oh... hmm... ok. thanks.
[19:56] <rgreening> _Sime: could it be simply due to the non-export of certain symbols? I seem to remember having a similar issue with pyqt and sip a long while back with Gentoo...
[19:57] <_Sime> what's the problem?
[19:57] <rgreening> i'll paste.. 1 sec...
[19:58] <rgreening> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61132/
[20:06] <rgreening> _Sime ^
[20:07] <apachelogger> kde rev 864309
[20:07] <rgreening> _Sime: and there is a time engine already in plasma. should the pytime one not use pytime (the files contain time as the engine)
[20:08] <_Sime> rgreening:  pytime is just a demo. The plugin names should be different now.
[20:08] <_Sime> rgreening: I'm a bit fuzzy on what the .desktop file should contain.
[20:09] <_Sime> rgreening: I can't only assume that PyQt was built against the wrong version of Python(??)
[20:13] <rgreening> hmm... ok. So pyclock uses the system time dataengine. that's clearer now. :)
[20:14] <rgreening> I'll check on the PyQt build... see if a rebuild fixes...
[20:14] <rgreening> _Sime: you indicated a issue needing newer SIP/PyQt4 though... and that's related to the segfaults... correct?
[20:15] <rgreening> sorry to be a bother :'}
[20:16] <_Sime> rgreening: SIP is needed otherwise it all crash when data is sent from the data engine.
[20:16] <_Sime> rgreening: new PyQt is needed for the events to work correctly in Plasma applets.
[20:16] <_Sime> rgreening: (an event type wasn't being correctly downcast in PyQt)
[20:17] <rgreening> _Sime: okies :)  cool.... ty...
[20:18] <_Sime> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Build/KDE4/Python_Support
[20:18] <rgreening> awesome
[20:22] <_Sime> if you have something useful to add to the page, then plz do so.
[20:24] <ScottK> We prefer kdesudo over kdesu, right?
[20:29] <rgreening> _Sime: 2 last things and I'm out of your hair while I try and beat this into submission 1) how do I re-generate the proper .sip files for 4.1.2 (twine?) and 2) do you know roughly what snapshot it started working for PyQt and SIP?
[20:29] <apachelogger> hm
[20:29]  * apachelogger points his laser screwdriver at kdm
[20:29] <apachelogger> ScottK: yes, kdesu doesn't exaclty work very well with sudo
[20:30]  * apachelogger feels a disturbance in the force when he points his laser scewdriver at genkdmconf
[20:30] <_Sime> rgreening: twine isn't 100% automatic. So no, running it to generate the sip files is definately not trivial. But if things are missing then they should fail at compile time.
[20:31] <rgreening> _Sime: ok. I used your .sip files and had to mod in 3 places... it compiles fine then...
[20:33] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am not sure when or who genkdmconf is executed, but I think it is directly related to the session issue
[20:33] <apachelogger> s/who/how
[20:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: see the 08_genkdmconf.diff patch in workspace, it removes the session action and replaces it with . /etc/X11/Xsession
[20:36] <apachelogger> that is probably why default tries to launch x-terminal-emulator and not startkde
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: facts about patches
[20:41] <kubotu> I know nothing about patches
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> kubotu: facts about workarounds
[20:41] <kubotu> [6/12] "...and apachelogger hates workarounds"
[20:42] <ScottK> apachelogger: You might want to mention that here: http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/10/22/network-upgrade-for-kubuntu-desktops-804-lts-810/
[20:43] <apachelogger> bah, the kdm/xdm code is so confusing :S
[20:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: according to the changelog you added the patch, please take a look at it, I can't find anything else that relates as strong to the issue
[20:54] <apachelogger> also kdm is not very helpfulwith debugging :S
[20:54] <Riddell> busy install testing just now
[20:54] <Riddell> that isn't from debian?
[20:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[20:58] <apachelogger> oh
[20:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: was looking at the wrong package, it is in debian as well
[20:58] <apachelogger> the changelog doesn't indicate when it was added though, so I guess it is from KDE 3
[20:59] <Riddell> what is the upstream?
[21:29] <paran> anybody know how to get oprofile to detect symbols in the libQt<blah>.debug files from libqt4-dbg?
[21:30] <paran> I am trying to determine why kmail in intrepid eats 100% CPU and is really really unresponsive
[21:39] <ScottK> So who's been busy all day doing release notes for the RC?
[21:45] <ScottK> nixternal: Any chance you could bang out some release notes for us?
[21:46] <nixternal> when are they do?
[21:46] <nixternal> I can work on them tonight some I think
[21:49] <ScottK> RC is tomorrow.  slangasek was asking for NOW, but if you can do it tonight, I don't see anyone else raising their hand.
[21:49] <ScottK> nixternal: ^^
[21:50] <nixternal> right, I won't be able to work on them for about another 3 to 4 hours at a minimum
[21:50] <ScottK> Go for it.
[21:51] <ScottK> a|wen: Thanks for continuing to follow up on KDE 3.5.10 bugs.
[21:52] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu
[21:52] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^ that is where they will live
[21:52] <ScottK> OK
[21:52] <nixternal> in roughly 3 hours, ping me again so I don't forget like an idiot :)
[21:52] <nixternal> err, I have this great feature called a freakin' reminder in Kontact :P
[21:54] <a|wen> ScottK: no problem; i'll continue to do that, so just add the kde3.5.10 tag if any new pops up
[21:54] <ScottK> Great.  Because in 3 hours I'll be schlepping children to/from ballet classes.
[21:54] <ScottK> a|wen: Will do.  apachelogger has been good about flagging them.
[21:54]  * DaSkreech opens Khelp to look for 'Freaking reminder'
[21:55] <ScottK> DaSkreech: I suspect you need a special Chicago language pack for that.
[21:56] <DaSkreech> whadda talkin' bout?
[21:56] <moenicke> yay Chicago :)
[21:57] <a|wen> ScottK: yeah, I saw that :) ... though sadly the kdepim regressions seen atm is far from trivial
[21:57] <DaSkreech> Packages for Beta 2?
[21:58] <ScottK> Well the Freakin Reminder was for nixternal to do release notes for the Intrepid RC.
[21:58] <ScottK> The kdepim discussion is about KDE3.5.10 in Hardy
[22:03] <DaSkreech> ScottK: I meant are there any packages for Beta 2 available :)
[22:04] <ScottK> Beta 2 of what?
[22:05] <DaSkreech> Koffice
[22:05] <ScottK> Oh.  No idea.
[22:05] <nixternal> don't be dissin' chicago homeslice
[22:06] <nixternal> it is cold in chicago today....i would like to hit up the pubs tonight, but I have to do release notes instead :P
[22:08] <txwikinger> nixternal: you talking Chicago Pie again?
[22:08] <Arby> a|wen yet another kdepim one for you then, bug 177566
[22:09] <nixternal> I am talking Chicago's finest beer, Goose Island's 312
[22:10] <a|wen> Arby: is it a kde3.5.10 regression?
[22:11] <Arby> not a regression no, just a crash that still occurs. are you just looking for regressions?
[22:12] <a|wen> Arby: i'm atm specifically looking for regressions between 3.5.9 and 3.5.10
[22:12] <Riddell> paran: i suspect that doesn't work
[22:12] <Arby> ok
[22:13] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Do you know of any Koffice Beta 2 packages for Ibex ?
[22:18] <Riddell> DaSkreech: yes we had packages last week when it released see kubuntu.org
[22:20] <Riddell> paran: i think the way the libraries point to the debug ones is wrong
[22:23] <ScottK> nixternal: slangasek is mostly interested in the bad news kind of release notes, upgrade instructions, warnings, etc.
[22:32] <paran> Riddell: would seem that way... I just noticed that simply replacing the real library with the .debug one seems to work though
[22:32] <Riddell> paran: ah, interesting, if inelegant
[22:46] <seele> was RC today or tomorrow?
[22:55] <Riddell> tomorrow
[23:10] <DaSkreech> Hmm
[23:10] <DaSkreech> Can't see koffice 2 in adept for some reason
[23:11] <Riddell> did you add the repository?  is this adept manager not adept installer?  try searching for "koffice2"?
[23:11] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[23:11] <DaSkreech> It's there on the command line
[23:12] <DaSkreech>  I can apt-cache policy koffice-kde4 and install etc
[23:12] <DaSkreech>  can't see it at all in Adept
[23:12] <DaSkreech> Beta 2
[23:12] <Riddell> might need xapian updated
[23:12] <DaSkreech> As in Adept Beta 2
[23:13] <DaSkreech> ok
[23:13] <DaSkreech> latest version
[23:13] <Riddell> run /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index
[23:20] <DaSkreech> Riddell: :-)
[23:31] <jameswf> Soooo i have a system i need to wipe, how close are we if i upgrade now wil god kill a kitten or.......
[23:32] <Riddell> jameswf: works for me
[23:37] <DaSkreech> jameswf: you down with KDE4?
[23:40] <jameswf> eh no
[23:41] <jameswf> I am waiting for KDE 4.99
[23:45] <DaSkreech> jameswf: Loooong wait
[23:46]  * DaSkreech sighs
[23:46] <DaSkreech> No kubuntu-desktop in adept either
[23:48] <DaSkreech> Am I correct in saying that for Ibex we will have KDE3 but not a Kubuntu KDE3 ?
[23:48] <seele> eh?
[23:48] <seele> there are backports, but there is no Kubuntu Intrepid Ibex KDE3 edition
[23:48] <DaSkreech> There will not be a kubuntu-desktop package for KDE3 but you can install KDE3
[23:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: maybe adept should rebuild xaipian index when reloading packages after modifying sources.list via s-p-kde?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> WOuld be nice
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> iirc mornfall either made xapian updates not happen very often at all if at all since it takes so long and it rebuilt on every startup in the alphas
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> mornfall: ^thoughts?
[23:50] <DaSkreech> seele: Doh! I was to check on you bringing in Wine :-)
[23:51] <seele> DaSkreech: i have to still make sure i can go
[23:51] <DaSkreech> seele: So you install KDE3?
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Or just blessed apps?
[23:51] <seele> DaSkreech: i am teaching a uni class and the semester begins the same week
[23:51] <seele> DaSkreech: i havent run kde3 since 4.1.1 came out
[23:51] <DaSkreech> Move the class here :)
[23:51] <DaSkreech> seele: The metaphorical you in Ibex :-P