[00:01] <\Kira> it comes out on oct. 30, so it should be pretty stable by now, but dont take my word for it
[00:01] <ret> f|uke: good point.
[00:01] <ret> \Kira: i liked death-note
[00:01] <ret> the release candidate comes out soon, and i already have the iso for the beta.
[00:02] <ret> has anyone encountered 'issues' with the beta though
[00:02] <\Kira> ret: Yea, not were I got the name from originally, but after I saw it I loved it. Too bad light died :(
[00:02] <ret> \Kira: very shit ending.
[00:02] <\Kira> ret: I think it added realism, and in the directors cut light doesnt die forever.
[00:03] <ret> hmm.
[00:03] <MrD1> hi i downloaded the the new version of ubuntu, but a few things dont work does any one know how to install the old headers they dont seem to show up in synaptic
[00:03] <\Kira> ret: but yes, I wished he had won. But I could just see it coming with how confident he was
[00:04] <\Kira> ret: in the directors cut he becomes a shimigami, following the rule that he will go to "nothingness", meaning the shimigami world, but this isnt the place to get in depth about a anime :P
[00:05] <freeksh0w86> When installing Kubuntu 8.10, it doesn't continue after the keyboard layout screen, just disables the buttons, any ideas?
[00:05] <freeksh0w86> *beta
[00:05] <ret> \Kira, word.
[00:06] <freeksh0w86> This thing runs better on a Dell Inspiron 531 workstation than my own System76 machine :|
[00:09] <freeksh0w86> err.. maybe my CD-Rs are rubbish
[00:09] <freeksh0w86> seems to be doing something now.
[00:09] <ret> ?
[00:09] <freeksh0w86> Trying to figure out why my install screen was stuck. But it is moving now.
[00:25] <i8860054_> is there a way to make the volume on my computer louder? It seems that when I upgraded to Intrepid it just isn't as loud
[00:29] <Pici> After_Math: check alsamixer, maybe one of the other mixer volumes isn't up enough
[00:30] <After_Math> Pici, ok thank you.
[00:31] <After_Math> Looks like they are all max except capture, which I am not sure of what it is.
[00:31] <Pici> Hrm.
[00:43] <buck> Last week I had a functioning Hardy install.  While trying to get my new AT&T USBConnect Mercury USB modem to work I followed a suggestion to upgrade to Intrepid.  Now I still can't get the USB modem to work and I lost my Broadcom wireless card too.  I haven't found the solution in the forums.  Anyone out there able to point me in the right direction?
[00:45] <coppro> type iwlist scan
[00:45] <coppro> what comes up?
[00:46] <buck> lo        Interface doesn't support scanning.
[00:46] <buck> eth0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[00:46] <buck> wmaster0  Interface doesn't support scanning.
[00:46] <buck> wlan0     No scan results
[00:46] <buck> pan0      Interface doesn't support scanning.
[00:54] <squid0> hi there. when is RC1 due out?
[00:55] <jken146> squid0: Final release is out on the 30th
[00:55] <Pici> !schedule | squid0
[00:55] <squid0> thanks, folks
[00:55] <mkhlnsh> hody. i've installed intrepid beta using a livecd. ive installed cryptsetup and lvm2, loaded modules and i did all the things that have to be done. after reboot all things are working ok. except one thing that is kinda odd. after some updates, don't know exactly which ones, the initramfs was updated. i got this message: "cryptsetup: NOTE: using /dev/mapper/vg-lv1 instead of /dev/vg/lv1 for lvr" in this message vg is the lvm2 volume group and lv1
[00:55] <mkhlnsh>  is the second partion on this volume group opened with cryptsetup luksOpen as lvr and mounted as /
[00:56] <squid0> what would the practical differences be between RC and final version?
[00:57] <squid0> in general?
[00:57] <mkhlnsh> s/hody/howdy
[00:57] <outbri> Hopefully nothing.
[00:57] <squid0> cool
[00:57] <manoman> hello, i did the upgrade from 8.04 to 8.10 and now my graphics always say it needs to go into safe mode and didn't load the nvidia gpu driver or something like that.  what can i do?
[00:58] <manoman> (Kubuntu, by the way.  kubuntu channel recommened i come here for video advice)
[00:58] <mkhlnsh> the problem may not be a real problem but if i use a different /etc/crypttab, and instead /dev/vg/lv1 i use /dev/mapper/vg-lv1 the system won't boot.
[01:00] <mkhlnsh> manoman, do you still have the old driver installed?
[01:00] <manoman> i'm not sure... i just ran the upgrade
[01:00] <manoman> if it retains old drivers, then yes.
[01:01] <manoman> (the screen also flashes ever 10 seconds or so)
[01:01] <mkhlnsh> i'm not sure if it does. did you checked the packages that had to be removed and those that had to be installed?
[01:01] <JontheEchidna> manoman: could you pastebin /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[01:02] <manoman> yeah
[01:02]  * manoman rolls over to linux box
[01:02] <angusthefuzz> anyone get this while upgrading: unable to make backup link of `./usr/share/applications/synaptic-kde.desktop' before installing new version
[01:03] <manoman> http://www.pastebin.ca/1233310
[01:04] <manoman> mkhlnsh:  i didn't do a package by package check, i'm not knowledgeable to know which apply to the different versions
[01:04] <manoman> JontheEchidna:  does that pastebin show anything useful?
[01:04] <JontheEchidna> sorta :P
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> I think that's the output from the failsafe session
[01:05] <manoman> i'm in failsafe now
[01:05] <JontheEchidna> yeah, unfortunately the failsafe overwrote the log telling what happened when the proprietary driver failed
[01:06] <JontheEchidna> I'm not familiar with the failsafe, but is there a way you can drop down to the command line without booting X?
[01:06] <mkhlnsh> manoman, check if ya still have the old driver installed.
[01:06] <manoman> mkhlnsh:  how do i do that?  adept?
[01:07] <mkhlnsh> use any package manager
[01:07] <manoman> JontheEchidna:  i can init 1 or whatever you need
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> manoman: actually you can probably press crtl alt f1 to get to a console
[01:07] <JontheEchidna> cp the log file somewhere else, then paste that
[01:08] <joshual> how can I burn a 12gb tar.gz file onto more than one dvd ?
[01:08] <ret> by splitting it up.
[01:09] <joshual> ret how can I do that?
[01:09] <manoman> ok, i've tty1 open
[01:09] <ret> joshual: how big is a dvd?
[01:10] <mkhlnsh> manoman, backup your xorg.conf and after that try "reset" it using: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[01:10] <manoman> i think X is still running though (in the failsafe mode)
[01:10] <ret> good, you extract the archive, and create seperate archives of dvdsize.
[01:10] <ret> relatively simple, i reckon.
[01:10] <JontheEchidna> manoman: ah, that sucks. failsafe never was handy for debugging issues
[01:10] <joshual> ret 4.7gb
[01:11] <JontheEchidna> it seems the failsafe's greatest advantage (not leaving you at the console) is also it's greatest disadvantage
[01:11] <ret> joshual: so, divide your archives into 4.7GB bits, which leaves you about 3 dvds.
[01:11] <ret> there are some tools that do this automagically.
[01:11] <ret> but i'm not sure.
[01:12] <joshual> divide is a pretty broad term
[01:12] <manoman> mkhlnsh: ok, i ran that.  it said something about backing up a conf file and dropped back to the cmd line.
[01:12] <manoman> JontheEchidna:  sounds like it :)
[01:12] <manoman> mkhlnsh:  should that command have started a wizard or anything?
[01:12] <manoman> or should i reboot X now?
[01:12] <mkhlnsh> manoman, ctrl+alt+f7 and then ctrl+alt+backspace
[01:15] <Chiku> about ship-it, which 8.10 version will be send?
[01:15] <Chiku> x32 or x64??
[01:16] <Chiku> there is no information about it
[01:16] <grizlo42> is there a way to go back to hardy?
[01:16] <Chiku> ust :"Just enter your address below and we will send you 1 Ubuntu CD   of the 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) release. "
[01:16] <manoman> I restarted x, it loaded with out erros
[01:16] <grizlo42> intrepid doesn't support my graphics card
[01:17] <manoman> but it looks like 3d inst enabled and the screen still flashes every 10 seconds
[01:17] <grizlo42> and open office isn't working correctly
[01:18] <crdlb> grizlo42: there isn't
[01:19] <grizlo42> damnit
[01:19] <crdlb> Chiku: I'm not sure, but if it doesn't offer a choice for amd64, it's undoubtedly x86
[01:19] <mkhlnsh> manoman, is the old driver still installed?
[01:19] <manoman> i dont think so, but im not sure
[01:20] <Chiku> for 8.04, you can choice
[01:20] <grizlo42> i have an old geforce, and it doesn't work, and every doc i try to open in oppenoffice ends uppp with just 1 word on each line
[01:20] <mkhlnsh> manoman, what driver did you had installed? nvidia-glx-new?
[01:21] <grizlo42> and nothing will print on my old laserjet printer
[01:21] <manoman> Nvidia glx 177, which i removed... but i still see nvidia modal alias and nvidai kernel source
[01:22] <mkhlnsh> manoman, 177 is not the "old" one. is not from 8.04. did you installed it before upgrade?
[01:23] <manoman> no, after the upgrade it booted to safe mode and i selected to install the latest 3d driver
[01:23] <Chiku> does rc released it yet?
[01:23] <mkhlnsh> !schedule | Chiku
[01:27] <Chiku> ok I though it was for 21th
[01:27] <lusepuster_> Hi folks - just upgraded to Intrepid today, except for a few quirks it went fine, but I have one odd and slightly annoying issue: When trying to open a folder in my Places menu, it says there was an error running the subprocess audacious! Why does it think it should run audacious?
[01:27] <mkhlnsh> manoman, you should try to find out what packages have bee installed and which have not. i had the same problem as you, updated from 8.04 and didn't installed all packages. i ended reinstalling 8.10 from scratch. maybe you have more luck...
[01:27] <jadams> is anyone in here familiar with v4l in intrepid?  I downloaded the latest and 'make,' but it fails with http://pastie.org/297653
[01:27] <jadams> I have a card that works, if I can just get v4l to build
[01:28] <manoman> ok thanks for trying
[01:32] <jadams> alternatively, anyone familiar with totem's mythtv plugin?
[01:34] <KillerKiwi2005> whats the user switch applet called now... I cant seem to find it
[01:35] <piju_> is intrepid support for intel X4500 ?
[01:36] <Dedi> my firefox lost its windows decorations
[01:37] <Dedi> KillerKiwi2005: logout (has currently no symbol in the list)
[01:37] <KillerKiwi2005> Dedi, then how can I add it to the panel ?
[01:38] <Storrgie> is it safe to do an update right now guys?
[01:38] <Dedi> richtkilck, add to panel, search for "logout"
[01:39] <Dedi> Storrgie:  no not at all, wait until release
[01:39] <KillerKiwi2005> that is just a log out applet.. it dosnt display the current user
[01:39] <Dedi> if you want to be realy safe then i would wait another 2 weeks
[01:39] <Storrgie> Dedi: im running 8.10.... i mean can i update right now?
[01:40] <Dedi> KillerKiwi2005: i have to entries after klickin on it: log out and switch user
[01:40] <Dedi> Storrgie: ah, more or less its safe, of course there still can anything get broken
[01:40] <Dedi> like my firefox window decoration :D
[01:42] <casdf> hi; firefox has been crashing on gmail and other js-intensive/flash pages since i upgraded, is this known?
[01:43] <Storrgie> im so excited for the new ubuntu...
[01:43] <casdf> well its broken more than fixed things for me :\
[02:01] <macabro22> so...
[02:01] <macabro22> no visualiation on rhythmbox yet?
[02:16] <slayton> where can I get the intrepid nightlys?
[02:18] <slayton> anybody know when Intrepid-RC will be released?
[02:26] <kpuljek> i need help on xorg.conf and nvidia 6600 on ubuntu 8.10
[02:27] <MindVirus> Hey. I just plugged in my iPod and it's asking me what I want to do with a digital audio player. Then it tells me to select an application, but the drop-down menu is disabled and all I can do is eject or nothing.
[02:27] <MindVirus> How do I add an application to the menu?
[02:27] <PrymaL> I've upgraded to 8.10 beta this morning, anyone got any idea's why the session manager is not remembering the running programs?
[02:31] <kpuljek> so, if i upgraded the nvidia driver to 177 and have noticed that i have glitches with it, and restored the old driver, and restored the old xorg.conf, why does ubuntu keep telling me that it's unable to start the nvidia kernel, and keeps running in low graphics mode? where else does ubuntu store graphic information?
[02:36] <dr_willis> Howdy all - How goes the Testing. :)
[02:36] <MindVirus> Hi, sorry. I recently asked a question.
[02:36] <MindVirus> I just plugged in my iPod and it's asking me what I want to do with a digital audio player. Then it tells me to select an application, but the drop-down menu is disabled and all I can do is eject or nothing.
[02:36] <MindVirus> How do I add an application to the menu?
[02:37] <ret> hmm, reiserFS fails to partition things in the BETA.
[02:37] <ret> am i the only one to notice this?
[02:37] <dr_willis> Trying to track down why on my laptop i get a message like --> [ 2057.280065] hub 4-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 5
[02:37] <dr_willis>     - spamming the consoles and dmesg out put.. over and over.. I unplug every USB device on the laptop and am still not sure what its mad about.. I wonder if it could be the built in usb cam. I did not notice this message yesterday.
[02:37] <MindVirus> Anyone know?
[02:37] <dr_willis> MindVirus,  theres a menu editor utility, in the repos..or i thinkyou may be able to just right clck on the Gnomemenu now a days
[02:38] <dr_willis> My Ubuntu box is upstairs so i cant check  :)
[02:38] <MindVirus> Not the Gnome menu.
[02:38] <dr_willis> alacarte - might be the name of the menu editor tool
[02:38] <MindVirus> ...
[02:38] <MindVirus> Please read the question.
[02:38] <MindVirus> Alacarte comes with Ubuntu now.
[02:38] <MindVirus> You can right click to change the menus -- pretty sweet. :)
[02:38] <ret> has anyone else encounterd problems using reiserfs in the partition manager?
[02:39] <dr_willis> I just saw 'how do i an add an application to the menu' :)
[02:39] <myk_robinson> seriously considering gutting the iwl3945 out of this laptop and replacing with an Atheros 57XX series...
[02:39] <MindVirus> dr_willis, of course.
[02:39] <dr_willis> I dont have an ipod to veryfi/check MindVirus  sorry.
[02:39] <MindVirus> I understand.
[02:40] <dr_willis> the one thing ive never owned - a mp3 player. :)
[02:40] <ret> is there like a ddtool for ubuntu/linux?
[02:40] <MindVirus> ret, is that the dynamic DNS thing?
[02:40] <ret> erm, no -- driver detection.
[02:40] <MindVirus> Ehh, I see.
[02:41] <dr_willis> I have never heard of 'ddtool' then.  - you are refering to a windows utility?
[02:41] <ret> it's an opensolaris tool, really
[02:41] <ret> it checks the computer against opensolaris drivers.
[02:41] <ret> to see which ones are and aren't available; it works on multiple-OSes.
[02:42] <ret> maybe i'll code one up.
[02:42] <ret> i daresay it'll be useful.
[02:42] <ret> ;]
[02:46] <Jordan_U_> When I plugin headphones I still get sound from my laptop's internal speaker
[02:47] <ret> heh
[02:48] <alabamahit> Hi, I have found that I might be able to show my backup files.....I did this by ALT +F2, typing gconf-editor and in that i navigate desktop/gnome/file-views/show_backup_files/  I have check the box to view backup files but they are not showing...is there something else I'm supposed to do
[03:01] <guiss> hello, i'v seen that ubuntu 8.10 has write support with ntfs module... how safe is that? since I don't know how does the development of the ntfs module goes
[03:01] <Jordan_U> guiss: Hardy already has stable write support
[03:02] <guiss> Jordan_U, I didn't use hardy
[03:02] <guiss> Jordan_U, but if it's stable, all right
[03:05] <chuxxsss> hi all I have aproblem
[03:06] <Splex> just say it and maybe we can answer it
[03:07] <mercutio22> hello mates
[03:07] <mercutio22> whats new?
[03:09] <Splex> guiss: i have never had troubles with ntfs write support.  Shouldn't have any troubles with it.
[03:09] <chuxxsss> I just got two xw8200 HP's and they have nidia quad core 256M cards in them I tried to load the beta release as 8.04 does not load correctly on these machine any help would be nice
[03:10] <guiss> Splex, the last time I used ntfs was when it started to have write support but I was using ntfs-3g
[03:10] <Splex> chuxxsss, what is the problem?
[03:10] <Jordan_U> guiss: Intrepid still uses ntfs-3g
[03:11] <Splex> yes
[03:11] <guiss> Jordan_U, but in /etc/fstab it says ntfs, not ntfs-3g
[03:11] <wang> hello
[03:11] <Jordan_U> guiss: It's still using ntfs-3g
[03:11] <td123> chuxxsss: you didn't say what problem you are having :D
[03:11] <wang> I am having problems with my bluetooth mice, it works when I pair it.. but when i reboot it doesn't see the mice..
[03:12] <Splex> Jordan_U, does ntfs point to ntfs-3g?
[03:12] <chuxxsss> Just got two xw8200's and having problems loading any ubuntu OS's on them. Both have Nvidia quadro fx 256 M cards in them
[03:12] <guiss> Jordan_U, how come?
[03:12] <Splex> chuxxsss, what happens when you run ubuntu?
[03:12] <wang> I have to turn on, off the mice and then it works.. is there a way I can avoid that?
[03:12] <Jordan_U> guiss: Because ntfs-3g is the sane choice for mounting ntfs partitions
[03:13] <guiss> Jordan_U, yes... but fstab says ntfs and not ntfs-3g, that's where I seem to miss something
[03:14] <Splex> chuxxsss, you tried the latest beta?  is the screen blank when you load X?
[03:14] <wang> ?
[03:15] <chuxxsss> goes through to ubuntu start up screen then goes to tex mode after load live system but doesn't work at all with 8.10 may have wrong version I have the AMD64 version I think this is wrong for the CPU system I may be wrong
[03:15] <chuxxsss> can't get X
[03:16] <wang> anyone know how to get the bluetooth mouse to work on reboot (without having to turn th emose off/on again?)
[03:16] <chuxxsss> I'm using a live pentoo CD to talk now
[03:16] <chuxxsss> it work go figure
[03:16] <Splex> either ubuntu version will work, but amd64 version is optimized for your system and gives you 64 bit support..
[03:16] <Splex> the live cd works?
[03:17] <Jordan_U> guiss: As far as I understand what you specify to mount ( and in the fstab ) is the fstype, not the method used to mount that fstype, normally there are corresponding modules of the same name that are used to mount that fstype but that does not have to be the case
[03:17] <chuxxsss> Thank Splex
[03:17] <Adremelech> so who loves ar5007eg support!
[03:17] <chuxxsss> I got a lot of errorswith the 64 version
[03:18] <Splex> chuxxsss, the live cd?
[03:18] <wang> Adremelech: for me, its so so, it broke my mouse though
[03:18] <Adremelech> wang: it works for me, but is horribly slow (1Mb/s)
[03:19] <chuxxsss> no pentoo is what I am using right now live but I like using ubuntu.
[03:19] <jken146> Is the live image perisstency problem that hardy had fixed in intrepid?
[03:19] <td123> chuxxsss: have you tried the 32bit version livecd
[03:19] <wang> Adremelech: once I pair the mouse using the applet it works; but once I reboot I have to turn on/off the mouse to get it to work
[03:20] <Splex> chuxxsss, did you try the intrepid beta live cd for 32 bit and/or 64bit?  or were you just booting off your existing installation?
[03:20] <Adremelech> how does a wireless drive brake a mouse :|
[03:20] <Adremelech> *driver
[03:20] <chuxxsss> I have linux magazine august 2008 here it loads then gots to tex screen ?box is the last thing it did
[03:20] <chuxxsss> 64 bit
[03:20] <wang> Adremelech: not sure.. it was perfectly working with 8.04; but broke with 8.10
[03:21] <Adremelech> interesting
[03:21] <chuxxsss> then system has a new HD in it not formatted yet
[03:22] <wang> Adremelech: brb, let me reboot again
[03:22] <chuxxsss> got the system at Auction yesterday
[03:22] <Splex> chuxxsss, so it is the latest iso that you downloaded?
[03:22] <td123> chuxxsss: does ubuntu even support dual sli configs?
[03:22] <chuxxsss> just a hour ago
[03:23] <chuxxsss> I do not no sorry td123
[03:23] <Adremelech> im pretty sure linux doesn support dual sli :|
[03:23] <chuxxsss> new x said it did but Im just trying to get it to work first
[03:24] <chuxxsss> great
[03:24] <Splex> chuxxsss, did you try the latest nvidia driver?\
[03:24] <chuxxsss> Im only using one monitor
[03:25] <chuxxsss> no Splex as I need to at lest get the OS install to start with
[03:26] <chuxxsss> is the HW supported for HP XW8200
[03:27] <Splex> chuxxsss, i think you can do a text install using the ubuntu-alternate install cd
[03:27] <chuxxsss> ?
[03:28] <chuxxsss> look I no some stuff but how do I do it
[03:28] <Splex> there are different versions of ubuntu you can download including desktop, server and alternate
[03:28] <Splex> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/8.10/
[03:28] <chuxxsss> yes I no that much
[03:29] <mercutio22> how can I make a desktop search?
[03:29] <chuxxsss> how do I get x work after installing alternate if it works
[03:30] <Splex> chuxxsss, try installing envyng and using that to install the latest nvidia driver from the terminal
[03:31] <chuxxsss> hold on I will write it down
[03:31] <Splex> chuxxsss, sudo apt-get install envyng-core
[03:32] <chuxxsss> thank Splex
[03:32] <Splex> chuxxsss, http://albertomilone.com/envyngfaq.html#A
[03:33] <chuxxsss> got it thank you Splex
[03:34] <Splex> chuxxsss, np
[03:35] <chuxxsss> will start to download it on one of the other machines
[03:37] <MindVirus> Anyone having issues with Quod Libet?
[03:38] <MindVirus> Because I am.
[03:38] <MindVirus> It's not starting.
[03:41] <wang> hey
[03:41] <wang> ayone have the same problem I have? with bluetooth mouse after reboot?
[03:43] <MindVirus> http://pastebin.com/d1174a7fa
[03:44] <MindVirus> I don't know what to do.
[03:44] <MindVirus> I tried reinstalling quodlibet, dbus, python-dbus
[03:44] <MindVirus> Doesn't fix anything.
[03:46] <wang> MindVirus: 8.10 is looking like a bad release IMHO
[03:46] <MindVirus> The release itself seems fine.
[03:46] <MindVirus> They just have to do some final fixing, I'm sure.
[03:46] <MindVirus> The only gripe I have is that it's not that much of an upgrade.
[03:47] <wang> MindVirus: it acutally broke my bluetooth mouse from 8.04
[03:47] <wang> which is driving me crazy
[03:47] <jgoss> MindVirus, seems to happen to me only when my ipod is plugged in to my computer.
[03:47] <MindVirus> Same.
[03:47] <MindVirus> I think.
[03:47] <MindVirus> Let me check.
[03:48] <ShiftyPowers> anyone here running intrepid ibex and have a weird bug where the panel doesn't change themes when you change control themes?
[03:48] <MindVirus> jgoss, it's really killing me.
[03:48] <ShiftyPowers> mine is always stuck on the default human theme although the rest of the controls change
[03:50] <MindVirus> jgoss, yes, same thing here.
[03:54] <td123> ShiftyPowers: it works for me, although I had to restart x to change some controls completely from using the old theme :/
[03:56] <ShiftyPowers> td123: yeah, it's weird for me
[03:56] <ShiftyPowers> will try restarting
[03:57] <MindVirus> Yeah... Dbus is not interacting with my iPod.
[03:57] <MindVirus> What to do?
[04:03] <icanhas> Who is in charge of the jockey updates?
[04:05] <DanaG> Oh yeah, who is the "Luke" that has the PulseAudio 0.9.13 repo?
[04:05] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/352
[04:05] <DanaG> "Fixed in current git"
[04:07] <unavailable> anyone got the compiz crash fix?
[04:09] <icanhas> unavailable: what crash exactly?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> DanaG: themuso
[04:11] <Hobbsee> (most likely)
[04:11] <Hobbsee> icanhas: pitti
[04:11] <Hobbsee> icanhas: (i think)
[04:12] <icanhas> Hobbsee: Oh, where do I tell him(or her) that he(or she) is awesome?
[04:12] <Hobbsee> icanhas: #ubuntu-devel, in a few hours time?
[04:13] <DanaG> Yeah, I think it was themuso.
[04:13] <Hobbsee> icanhas: oh, and you can join the ~we-love-pitti launchpad team as well, if you like :)
[04:13] <Hobbsee> icanhas: he's german, so he's asleep now
[04:13] <wishie> when i upgrade to intrepid, is kde4 going to be installed as standard ? can i stop it doing that ? heh
[04:14] <Hobbsee> wishie: yes, and no
[04:14]  * DanaG has 'decapitated' the Gateway laptop.
[04:14] <DanaG> The LCD died completely... so I just removed the lid assembly, just for the heck of it.
[04:14] <wishie> but what if people dont want to use kde4 ? is kde3 still available in intrepid ?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> no
[04:14] <DanaG> Now it really IS headless. =þ
[04:14] <Hobbsee> if you want kde3, don't upgrade
[04:14] <Hobbsee> DanaG: defenestrate it too? :P
[04:14] <wishie> Hobbsee: but i have to, to use 2.6.27 apparently..
[04:15] <DanaG> Nope, can't do that.  I'll use it headlessly, instead.
[04:15] <wishie> Hobbsee: or compile 2.6.27 kernel myself, without the ubuntu patches and splash etc
[04:15] <Hobbsee> darn
[04:17] <DanaG> Headless... just in time for Halloween.
[04:17] <MightyTweek> Hey all... when I boot my machine running Intrepid, I get the Ubuntu splash screen, and then I get a screen with a yellow background and the mouse pointer, but the mouse won't move, and nothing else happens... any ideas?
[04:18] <chuxxsss> splex can I paste what the xorg.conf says in gentoo live may help someone other than me
[04:18] <wishie> hmm, anyone know where i can get the 'broken-out' patches applied to the hardy/intrepid kernels ? ill apply them by hand to 2.6.27 and massage it into hardy :P
[04:18] <casdf> i think some people said the nikond40 camera autodetect was working in 8.10; its still broken for me
[04:19] <Hobbsee> wishie: patches.ubuntu.com
[04:19] <MightyTweek> It was working up until Oct 9, when I did an update... I've since used ctrl-alt-f1 to get to the console and done an apt-get update and upgrade, but still getting the same issue... I'm running the x64 distro if that makes a difference
[04:22] <jgoss> MindVirus, I've reported the bug at launchpad. It's bug #287334 . You could confirm it and hopefully a solution will arrive eventually.
[04:25] <DanaG> Hobbsee: do you know 'themuso'?
[04:26] <DanaG> If I apt-get build-dep the PulseAudio packages, will it stop saying autoconf is too old?
[04:26] <wishie> Hobbsee: grr, cant find a nice easy list of the applied patches in there, yet.. ill have to dig further
[04:28] <DanaG> I don't mind building stuff myself... as long as it actually builds.
[04:30] <bsnider> DanaG, what issue are you having?
[04:31] <wishie> ahh ok, i can just 'apt-get source' the linux-image-2.6.24-generic, then check debian/patches dir in the resulting download.. thats easier.
[04:31] <DanaG> Last time I tried to build PulseAudio myself, it said autoconf was too old.
[04:31] <DanaG> I need the git version for fixed zeroconf (see ticket above:)
[04:31] <DanaG> http://www.pulseaudio.org/ticket/352
[04:34] <Mark_Milliman> DanaG, I just had problems compiling Banshee because autoconf is too new.  Go figure?
[04:36] <bsnider> there are multiple autoconf versions in the repository
[04:38] <bsnider> luke will probably allocate some time to repackaging pulse 9.13 if you file a bug about this
[04:45] <mike1> hi all
[04:45] <mike1> anybody in?
[04:46] <chuxxsss>  hi mike
[04:46] <mike1> hi
[04:47] <gaelfx> I can't open update manager, when I try in terminal, it gives Valueerror: Bad Marshal Data from urllib2.py, can someone help me figure out the issue?
[04:48] <mike1> i just recently ran all the updates in intrepid (which has worked b e a utifully) and it undid compiz so when i apt-get compiz it reinstalled and it dissabled my video diver now when i try to install the driver compiz requires to work (nvidia 173) it gets to 60% and crashes every time and reboooting doesent solve it. so im stuck in low graphics mode and cant install the driver what should i do?
[04:49] <gaelfx> also, I can't get medibuntu repos to work, it always says that it has no public key, is this a unique problem, or have others been having the same issue?
[04:49] <bsnider> mike1, what gets to 60%?
[04:49] <gaelfx> I'm guessing the download
[04:49] <gaelfx> or installation process
[04:50] <mike1> bsnider: the nvidia 173 driver download in hardware drivers
[04:50] <romulo> hi is fglrx already working?
[04:50] <bsnider> in jockey
[04:50] <bsnider> you don't need jockey to get the nvidia driver to work
[04:50] <bsnider> fglrx is working yes
[04:50] <mike1> so whado i do?
[04:50] <bsnider> i wrote a detailed post that anyone can follow to get theri nvidia driver working
[04:50] <romulo> bsnider, how i get fglrx? can u link me?
[04:51] <bsnider> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=5952369#post5952369
[04:51] <bsnider> romulo, use jockey
[04:51] <madkat> someone work with the ibex install?
[04:51] <mike1> oh also my sound stopped after the updates any posts on that?
[04:51] <bsnider> the 'hardware drivers" manager or whatever it's called now
[04:52] <bsnider> mike1, that could be any of a million different causes
[04:52] <bsnider> one thing at a time
[04:52] <gaelfx> mike1: have you checked in the Preferences menu under sound to see which lib it's using?
[04:52] <mike1> lemme get graphics driver working and we'll come back to sound
[04:53] <gaelfx> good call ;)
[04:54] <madkat> can someone help with my install problem please
[04:54] <romulo> bsnider, i click activate for fglrx and nothing happens on jockey :P
[04:54] <MightyTweek> madkat, go ahead and tell us what the problem is
[04:55] <madkat> I just burnt the disk, ran it through the media check and it passed, and I get "[Errno 5] Input/output error: '/rofs/usr/share/doc/libilmbase6'" after it formats.
[04:55] <bsnider> romulo, i gues sthey haven't fixed jockey then. i'm not an ati guy. i know you need to get dkms to build and install the fglrx module and you need a usable xorg.conf file. beyond that, you'll havet o get help from someone else
[04:56] <mike1> bsnider: i have and 8xxx sieries but when i try to use compiz it tells me i need the 173 driver to make everything work and your post sais its best for me to use 177 (which i was using before i tryed to use compiz) so what exactly is going on here?
[04:56] <chuxxsss> thanks bsnider may need it too ones the alt cd DLs
[04:56] <bsnider> mike1, you need the 177 driver period. do what my post tells you to
[04:56] <bsnider> lol
[04:56] <mike1> ok i'll get it goin
[04:56] <bsnider> i'm such a jerk
[04:57] <mike1> well lemme try 177 from jocky real quick
[04:57] <romulo> bsnider, hmm thanks. whats dkms? i tried to build it with module-assistant but it failed. I might need to redownload the sources, will try that thanks!
[04:57] <bsnider> the 173 driver will work for that card too, but it isn't what nvidia recommends for post-5k cards
[04:58] <mike1> lol 177 chrashed at 77% i guss its back to your post :D
[04:58] <bsnider> dkms is "distributed kernel module source" -- it's a system for automatically rebuilding modules into new kernels without a lot of heavy lifting
[05:00] <romulo> hmm cool
[05:00] <gaelfx> ah, so if I want to use the restricted driver on GeForce GO! 6150, I should also use the 177 driver?
[05:00] <romulo> testing - think i disconnected
[05:00] <mike1> i need to get more familliar with terminal, i know the basics but i prefer how mutch better everything works in terminal so i need to learn more
[05:00] <gaelfx> romulo: hear you clearly
[05:00] <romulo> cool
[05:00] <romulo> brb
[05:01] <mike1> romulo: nope your good
[05:01] <bsnider> gaelfx, yes
[05:01] <gaelfx> bsnider: thanks for the heads up man, that's the next thing on my list
[05:01] <gaelfx> but given my past with this card and ubuntu, I'm really wary of putting it on here since things are working ok without it
[05:02] <mike1> bsnider: i got this error Errors were encountered while processing:
[05:02] <mike1>  /var/cache/apt/archives/nvidia-glx-177_177.80-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[05:02] <mike1> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[05:02] <mike1> oops to many lines
[05:02] <bsnider> use pastebin
[05:02] <mike1> shoulda used pastebin
[05:02] <mike1> lol
[05:02] <mike1> do i still need to or just nix on this time
[05:03] <chuxxsss> bsnider will this work with my quadro card
[05:03] <chuxxsss> ur config file
[05:04] <mike1> bsnider: do you want me to repaste my error on pastebin?
[05:05] <bsnider> yes paste the whole thing
[05:07] <mike1> bsnider: here you go http://paste.ubuntu.com/60830/
[05:07] <mike1> man this whole crud driver thing is hurting my eyes
[05:07] <madkat> this is stupid, I Now have no OS installed, and I'm running off a live CD
[05:08] <chuxxsss> join the club
[05:08] <chuxxsss> madkat
[05:08] <madkat> Why would the CD test pass, yet it would say failed due to a dirty disk or a bad burn?
[05:09] <mike1> this room is always so mutch help to me lol. when i get better with linux i'll be glad to contribute back to the community
[05:09] <bsnider> mike1, did you ever have the nvidia driver installed before now?
[05:09] <mike1> yea
[05:09] <bsnider> how did you install it?
[05:10] <chuxxsss> no Idea best ask someone who knows that
[05:10] <mike1> jockey
[05:10] <madkat> who would know?
[05:10] <BHSPitMonkey> anyone else have problems with mouse button clicking?
[05:10] <madkat> me, but its my mouse
[05:10] <madkat> it's flown a few times
[05:11] <BHSPitMonkey> hmm
[05:11] <BHSPitMonkey> since upgrading, it behaves for me such that I can barely use it at all
[05:11] <mike1> bsnider: so whats the deal?
[05:12] <BHSPitMonkey> whenever I release a mouse button, it's doing a release then another click then another release
[05:12] <bsnider> mike1, this is a difficult problem to resolve
[05:12] <BHSPitMonkey> which, you can imagine, makes things really hard to use
[05:12] <romulo> bsnider, doing sudo aptitude reinstall fglrx-kernel-source and then activating the driver on jockey did the trick
[05:12] <romulo> but for the second time i restart and my theme configurations are not here, neither my icons
[05:12] <chuxxsss> is there anything I need to no when install the ALT CD as Im a bit of a novice
[05:13] <chuxxsss> before i go
[05:13] <bsnider> mike1, try uninstalling libgl1-mesa-glx
[05:13] <mike1> what is the full command?
[05:13] <romulo> mike1, sudo aptitude remove --purge libgl1-mesa-glx
[05:13] <crdlb> you should never uninstall that package
[05:13] <mike1> why?
[05:14] <mike1> now im scared...
[05:14] <bsnider> it will likely cause a chain reaction that will remove most of hte rest of your system
[05:14] <bsnider> then, reinstall the ubuntu-desktop package
[05:14] <crdlb> so just reinstall it instead
[05:14] <mike1> why would you do that to me!!!
[05:15] <DanaG> sudo aptitude reinstall packagenamegoeshere
[05:15] <crdlb> uninstall nvidia-glx-177, sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx
[05:15] <bsnider> what worries me is the dpkg-divert issue
[05:15] <crdlb> then install nvidia-glx-177 again
[05:15] <romulo> bsnider, any idea why my icons on gnome arent here?
[05:15] <romulo> im wondering if gnome-settings-daemon is running correctly
[05:15] <crdlb> oh, you don't have it installed yet ...
[05:15] <BHSPitMonkey> by the way, nm-applet does not show by default for me and my friend after upgrading
[05:15] <mike1> how to uninstall 177?
[05:16] <bsnider> the nvidia driver diverts mesa's libgl in favour of its own. the fact that that is failing here suggests a messy problem that requires a purge to fix
[05:16] <mike1> crap
[05:16] <romulo> BHSPitMonkey, it wasnt for me either, after a boot it came out
[05:16] <bsnider> i don't think just reinstalling would be enough
[05:16] <romulo> BHSPitMonkey, also check if your wireless is working
[05:16] <crdlb> mike1: just try sudo apt-get --reinstall install libgl1-mesa-glx
[05:16] <bsnider> but, try it anyway i guess
[05:16] <BHSPitMonkey> romulo, I manually started nm-applet, wireless picked up fine.
[05:16] <mike1> i dont wanna do anything untill we all come to a good conclusion lol (fresh freeken install)
[05:16] <BHSPitMonkey> I'm using it to be on IRC right now.
[05:17] <BHSPitMonkey> my friend is sad to see that nm-applet doesn't show his 3G card after the first boot
[05:17] <mike1> its reinstalling i hope it work if it doesent then....
[05:18] <mike1> it's done reinstalling now what?
[05:19] <crdlb> now try to install nvidia-glx-177 again
[05:19] <romulo> wonder my icons dont show, neither mouse pointer when i change appearance properties
[05:19] <bsnider> right
[05:19] <mike1> k just a sec
[05:20] <bsnider> he just upgraded. even if he has to remove most things, he still has all of it in his apt-cache anyway
[05:21] <angusthefuzz> has anyone had trouble upgrading/installing synaptic?
[05:21] <mike1> the 177 install worked this time so do i just continue with your post bsnider?
[05:21] <bsnider> yes
[05:21] <mike1> k
[05:21] <mike1> be back if i have more problems
[05:22] <crdlb> I do wonder why that was necessary though ...
[05:22] <crdlb> I guess it was some sort of confusion between the old lrm system and the new stuff
[05:23] <bsnider> crdlb, that happened to me when i installed the nvidia driver through nvidia's installer instead of synaptic
[05:23] <crdlb> yes, that would do it
[05:23] <bsnider> but he says he used jockey
[05:25] <DanaG> Heh, Intel 2200BG wireless can't do WPA2 in Windows... but works just fine in Linux.
[05:25] <mike1> i had to use the nvidia installer to get ubuntu to first boot. then after updates it was dissabled so i inabled 177 then more updates and had to redo compiz after compiz redo it told me i HAD to have 173 to use it so i tryed switching to 173 and all hell broke loose
[05:26] <DanaG> I discovered that when I booted Windows on this old Toshiba to see if the nvidia drivers there were non-sucky.... but then I couldn't connect to my access point.
[05:26] <crdlb> ok, that explains it
[05:26] <mike1> it seems like everytime i get ubuntu running great and update breaks it lol
[05:26] <crdlb> dpkg got upset when it couldn't figure out who owned /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2
[05:27] <crdlb> (since nobody did as far as it was concerned)
[05:28] <bsnider> DanaG, that's sensational. i love that. you just made my night.
[05:28] <DanaG> So, my solution: I just nuked the Windows partition.
[05:28] <DanaG> It was an old, abandoned install.
[05:29] <DanaG> Oh yeah, and did I tell you about the screwed-up EDID Toshiba has?
[05:29] <mike1> bsnider: should i just copy and paste your xorg into my own?
[05:29] <DanaG> It identifies itself as 966x768.... so the nvidia Linux binary drivers (before they ABI-broke), and even the Windows drivers, used that resolution.  I actually had to modify the INF to override EDID info.
[05:30] <DanaG> Best thing about the lack of WPA2: the status message.
[05:30] <DanaG> "Authentication with the access point has not begun."
[05:30] <DanaG> Yes, "Has not begun."
[05:30] <DanaG> And it just sat there.  Doing nothing.
[05:31] <bsnider> mike-solidus, absolutely
[05:31] <mike-solidus> its says linux-generic is bieng kept back, is there a reason not to install this, is this the generic one, or will this install the amd64 version automaticly?
[05:31] <bsnider> mike1, absolutely
[05:32] <mike1> bsnider: k then i'll do it
[05:32] <mike-solidus> also, the latest updates made my gtk settings turn into releigh style, and any apps that autostart that have gtk do not have kde colors applied to them
[05:35] <ralpho> What sucess looks like http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=80642902048fea3b2a4f2a&p=screen
[05:37] <ralpho> damn nice beta if you ask me.
[05:38] <mike-solidus> def still beta though
[05:38] <AaronMT> Just upgraded from hardy, flawless - good stuff.
[05:38] <mike-solidus> the deskletts have horible response time for me
[05:38] <mike1> k im gonna reboot now cross your fingers for me
[05:38] <mike-solidus> most of the time they don't notice my mouse is over them, then when i go to load them the jump at a good 20fps for repositioning
[05:39] <ralpho> I dont got that im using compiz manager
[05:40] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I don't understand how to config X server in HAL... It's described here.... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[05:40] <ralpho> i should help kde one but its like going back to beryl why we have a good manager
[05:41] <theDtTvB2`CZ> I tried xinput and it works... However it lasts for only that session. Are there any way of configuring the touchpad easily?
[05:43] <mike1> FAN FREAKEN TASTIC! thanks all video back up and runned now for the sound?
[05:44] <mike1> bsnider: thanks for your amazing post
[05:44] <mike1> bsnider: and xorg
[05:44] <bsnider> no prob
[05:44] <mike1> it was clear and to the point
[05:45] <mike1> so anyway after updates i have no sound what can i do to fix this?
[05:46] <mike1> hmm and i dont seem to be running compiz again
[05:47] <mike1> any ideas?
[05:48] <mike1> n/m i fixed it
[05:48] <mike1> thx all you were great
[05:49] <AaronMT> All I had to fix was sound events werent playing
[05:54] <AaronMT> Hey, my X.org version with intrepid is X.Org X Server 1.5.2
[05:54] <AaronMT> is that 7.4?
[05:54] <crdlb> yes
[05:55] <AaronMT> Whats with the versioning?
[05:55] <crdlb> it's modular
[05:55] <DanaG> www.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/xorg.conf
[05:55] <crdlb> 1.5.2 is the version of xorg-server (xserver-xorg-core)
[05:55] <DanaG> Lots of nifty nvidia options there.
[05:55] <crdlb> 7.4 is the version of the entire collection of X packages
[05:56] <AaronMT> DanaG: Thanks but I'm running ATI
[05:56] <DanaG> I'll be going ATI next time, myself.  I want to support open-source with my dollars.
[05:57] <crdlb> basically, before 7.0, there was a single X package
[05:57] <crdlb> then with 7.0, it was split into modular components, with each version starting at 1.0.0
[05:58] <DanaG> This bug... bugs me.
[05:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/261318
[05:58] <DanaG> s/bugs/rather annoys/
[05:58] <DanaG> OLnly the "xorg" task is "invalid" -- but not the "Linux" task.
[05:59] <isilion_> hi. problem with fglrx driver. pc hangs after launching 3d games or compiz. it works for a while then hangs. gears work. in desktop and 2d apps its very quite stable
[05:59] <isilion_> hi. problem with fglrx driver. pc hangs after launching 3d games or compiz. it works for a while then hangs. gears work. in desktop and 2d apps its very quite stable. im in ubuntu 8.10 and using the beta driver fglrx released a week ago; its supposed to solution my problem (suggested by ATI support)
[06:00] <DanaG> Why such little attention to such a big regression bug?
[06:02] <isilion_> DanaG, i suggest you dont go ATI. ATI sucks. ATI's drivers sucks. And ATI's support suck. Just spend your dollars in Nvidia, which its fully supported by linux
[06:03] <DanaG> Fully supported?  I don't call closed source, fully supported.
[06:03] <crdlb> isilion_: what about those poor geforce 4 users? :P
[06:03] <DanaG> Especially when the 96 drivers have been broken for months.
[06:03] <DanaG> And nvidia in Windows is no picnic, either.
[06:03] <crdlb> and FX users with a non-SSE CPU
[06:03] <DanaG> Even if ATI is crap... so is nvidia, and at least ATI is open-source crap.
[06:04] <isilion_> i dont knoiw. i just know that my radeon does not work, and that i haven't got any problem with all my past nvidia cards
[06:04] <isilion_> ive tryed all drivers (ati, radeon, radeonhd, fgrlx) both fails at launching 3d apps
[06:05] <isilion_> or compiz
[06:05] <isilion_> but it works perfectly in xp...
[06:05] <DanaG> What video card?
[06:06] <isilion_> radeon 9800 pro
[06:06] <isilion_> 3d games and compiz works for a while. then hangs, after a seconds, or trying to rotate cube
[06:07] <DanaG> Hmm, that's odd.  Nothing in dmesg?
[06:07] <isilion_> dmesg is a command?
[06:07] <isilion_> ok i runned it in console
[06:07] <isilion_> what im supposed to look for?
[06:08] <DanaG> Anything that looks related to video card.
[06:08] <DanaG> Also look in /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[06:08] <DanaG> (do it after you get a freeze; if it takes a reboot, it'll be Xorg.0.log.old.)
[06:09] <Squichie1> Hey all, I am using intrepid, and I just have a simple question about networking:
[06:09] <isilion_> it shows fglrx
[06:09] <isilion_> doesnt seems to be any error
[06:10] <isilion_> xorg.0.log shows that dri and glx are enabled
[06:10] <isilion_> so AIGLX
[06:11] <igorgue> Hi, there is 2 downloads now in Vmware workstation for Linux... a rpm and a .bundle (what's this?) no tar.gz? I'm using ubuntu what should I pick?
[06:11] <Squichie1> I have a wireless connection which connects me to the Internet, and a Ethernet connection which connects me to a file server. I can be connected at both times, however, when I have the Ethernet, my Internet stops working, presumably because it is trying to receive it from the file server, and not the wireless. how can I fix this in intrepid?
[06:11] <igorgue> sorry for asking this here... but #vmware is full of dead people ;)
[06:13] <isilion_> here .... (WW) AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 ... and it goes to 0x71
[06:14] <isilion_> there are 50 lines simmilar
[06:19] <isilion_> no solutions on google
[06:19] <isilion_> any idea
[06:19] <isilion_> ?
[06:20] <AaronMT> Wait for tomorrow morning for vmware to wake up, people sleeping
[06:20] <AaronMT> or try virtualbox
[06:22] <burner> igorgue: get the .tar.gz
[06:22] <burner> igorgue: or like AaronMT suggests, get virtualbox :)  it rules
[06:22] <burner> !virtualbox | igorgue
[06:22] <igorgue> there's no tar.gz now
[06:23] <burner> oh oh, sorry
[06:23] <igorgue> nop, I need vmware, the vm is already created
[06:23] <igorgue> and shared with other people
[06:23] <burner> virtualbox can work with vmware files
[06:23] <igorgue> so, I can't just switch :(
[06:23] <burner> ok ok
[06:23] <igorgue> really?
[06:23] <burner> yeah
[06:23] <igorgue> I mean just work?
[06:23] <igorgue> or you need to convert the image?
[06:24] <burner> just works
[06:25] <isilion_> any idea what is  AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 to 0x72 in xorg.0.log?
[06:28] <burner> igorgue: that said... i don't really use vmware images... i'm working off what i've read, not first hand experience :)
[06:45] <isilion_> any idea what is  AIGLX: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x23 to 0x72 in xorg.0.log?
[06:47] <crdlb> a harmless warning
[06:47] <isilion_> sure?
[06:48] <isilion_> when i launch 3d games or compiz al goes well for a while, then hangs
[06:48] <isilion_> i thouth that was a smptom
[06:48] <crdlb> that's definitely not related
[06:48] <isilion_> i thouth that was a sympthom
[06:48] <isilion_> *sobs*
[06:48] <crdlb> the open source drivers used to spew that too
[06:51] <isilion_> then any idea why my pc hangs after launching 3d?
[06:51] <crdlb> no
[06:51] <isilion_> u.u
[07:04] <mwc> Trouble with an ibex upgrade (from heron)
[07:05] <mwc> everything apparently upgraded fine, after reboot I can't get any gnome sessions to login from GDM
[07:05] <mwc> nothing but an orange screen and a pointer
[07:05] <mwc> failsafe X term works, failsafe gnome doesn't
[07:11] <mwc> Oh dear, worse than I thought. I disabled /etc/init.d/gdm, logged in at console, and tried startx, and X locked up hard with garbage on the screen
[07:11] <mwc> intel 845G
[07:14] <DanaG> "your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted"
[07:14] <DanaG> "your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted"
[07:14] <DanaG> <repeats 10 more times>
[07:15] <DanaG> I can understand keeping the message up... but must it slide up and down on every single page load?
[07:15] <DanaG> Sliiide.....lag...... click link.   sliiiiide...lagg...
[07:15] <DanaG> I mean, fine, make it not dismissable.... but don't make it go away and come back.  go away and come back.  go away and come back.  go away and come back.
[07:16] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/270303
[07:35] <Mark_Milliman> I just got my Logitech MediaPlay mouse working with Intrepid
[07:36] <Mark_Milliman> WOOT!  Don't need btnx anymore.
[07:51] <ret> WEP authentication doesn't seem to work, out of the box.
[07:51] <ret> any clues as to why?
[07:55] <Mark_Milliman> Are we ready for RC1?  My kernel is updating now.
[07:57] <ret> 26th.
[07:58] <LSD|Ninja> ret: take it as a sign you should be using WPA ;)
[08:00] <ret> LSD|Ninja: well, perhaps -- alas, this isn't my AP.
[08:01] <LogicalDash> I've got a special file association defined for files ending in .foo of mimetype application/octet-stream. The preferences window clearly says that bar is the application used to open this type of file, but whenever I double click on it, it opens in application bas instead. What might be the problem?
[08:02] <Mark_Milliman> ret, I can't help you. I have a wired connection on this machine.
[08:03] <ret> Mark_Milliman: Eh ;]
[08:06] <casdf> can someone help me figure out why my firefox has been completely broken on js/flash since upgrading to 8.10 beta yesterday?
[08:06] <ret> what problems do you encounter?
[08:07] <casdf> firefox just crashes
[08:07] <casdf> well, freezes up
[08:07] <casdf> e.g. on gmail or youtube, anything with large amounts of js or any flash it seems
[08:08] <ret> hmm.
[08:08] <casdf> yahoo main page and search works fine
[08:09] <casdf> well, flash is working atm
[08:09] <ret> it may or may not be part of the succession of pango related problems.
[08:09] <ret> oh, so flash works and js does not?
[08:09] <ret> hmm, i wouldn't know.
[08:09] <casdf> okay, and now gmail is working :|
[08:10] <LogicalDash> casdf: I've been having troubles where having multiple Flash apps open will cause them all to go slower. Is it something like that? I assumed it was a problem with the Flash plugin.
[08:10] <casdf> i restarted ff ~5 times yesterday and it kept crashing the sec i logged into gmail
[08:10] <casdf> LogicalDash: nah, with all plugins disabled, and just starting new session of ff, going to gmail would cause a hang, and cpu usage of 50%
[08:10] <casdf> on dual core
[08:11] <ret> sorry, but i haven't used firefox in about two years.
[08:11] <LogicalDash> casdf: well, updates are pretty frequent while we're in beta, maybe you just downloaded a new ver. of firefox that fixed the problem
[08:12] <casdf> LogicalDash: it could've been that my system reboot earlier today fixed it i guess. maybe it was in some bad state after updating, yeah.
[08:12] <casdf> oh, with your flash issue though,
[08:13] <casdf> i do notice when i have flash open across tabs and such,
[08:13] <casdf> sometimes it'll just completely stop working until a ff restart
[08:13] <casdf> like, videos will only play for two seconds
[08:13] <LogicalDash> casdf: There's probably nothing to be done about that, unless Adobe's serious about open source
[08:13] <LogicalDash> and experience suggests they're not
[08:15] <casdf> i see.
[08:15] <casdf> so a very common issue?
[08:15] <ret> LogicalDash: i'll give them a few years.
[08:15] <ret> 50 or so.
[08:15] <casdf> heh
[08:15] <LogicalDash> yeah, basically the Linux version of Flash is poorly maintained and we're not allowed to fix it
[08:15] <casdf> whos gonna be using flash in 50 years?
[08:16] <casdf> except historians...
[08:16] <casdf> if im wrong i will eat my shorts.
[08:17] <LogicalDash> 50 futurebucks says that the few remaining Flash developers will be making mad money interfacing with ancient, poorly constructed websites with no other user interface.
[08:17] <casdf> whos gonna be using websites in 50 years?
[08:18] <LogicalDash> the same types of people who can't be bothered to upgrade their backend databases from COBOL
[08:21] <Kr0ntab> LogicalDash: haha... so true...
[08:23] <casdf> hmm, whats apport...
[08:24] <casdf> eh, and flash crashes again
[08:25] <LogicalDash> Oh, guys, I solved the file association problem, I had a bad desktop config file in my .local/share/applications
[08:25] <LogicalDash> Yay
[08:49] <avis> anyone know when banshee will be fixed in intrepid ?
[08:51] <DJones> Are there any known issues with Flash 10 in Intrepid? My wife plays a game called Yoville on facebook and on the intrepid machine, it won't play.  On windows it works fine using the equivalent version of Flash 10 Beta (same version numbers) and on Hardy it works fine with Flash 9.  On INtrepid it just sticks at the initial screen and doesn't let you connect to the server
[08:52] <avis> i dont play flash videos too often, most of the time, they have not failed for me.  i dont play them enough to know my gut says it plays them much better
[08:53] <avis> i do not remember too many times of flash not working, some maybe.  much better than hardy
[08:54] <avis> i believe i did have to install libflashsupport for it to work though.  i may remove that if its unnecessary later
[08:55] <avis> oh sorry DJones.  i didn't read your problem.  alot of sites i think have not gone to full flash 10 compatability i think
[08:55] <avis> you might see if you can go back to flash 9 on intrepid, thought, it might still crash like in hardy.  i'm not sure if thats possible
[08:56] <DJones> avis: It seems to be an INtrepid Flash 10 issue, Flash 9 on Hardy works fine and Flash 10 on Windows from the adobe website doesn't have the same problem, both the INtrepid and Windows version have the the same version number
[08:58] <DJones> avis: unless there's another plugin I need to install that i've not picked up yet, I tried using epiphany browser and that actually got as far as trying to connect, while firefox didn't even get that far, I'm wondering whether its a firefox issue rather than Flash now
[09:00] <avis> ooh.  there is the libflashsupport package to smooth out flash troubles.  i'm not quite sure if it will fix that though i know it was being used to fix sound issues, so, not sure
[09:01] <lemonade> i guess libflashsupport isn't needed with flash 10 anymore
[09:01] <avis> ooh.  ok.  thank you
[09:02] <lemonade> actually, i don't see it in the repos at all anymore
[09:04] <BUGabundo_work> hello RAOF
[09:04] <BUGabundo_work> lemonade: hi!
[09:04] <DJones> I'll have to have a play round and see if I can find a solution, I might try installing flash 10 on a hardy install that currently works to see if that narrows the problem down to flash 10
[09:05] <avis> you might want to make sure you can go back.  if flash 9 is working
[09:05] <lemonade> BUGabundo_work: hello
[09:05] <avis> i'm sure its simple
[09:06] <DJones> avis: If it doesn't work and I can't go back, its no loss, Its on a spare machine anyway
[09:06] <avis> ok :)  you probably can go back though.  i'd just ask around for someone to let you know how, or read the README, or something.  not worth ruining a working box
[09:07] <BUGabundo_work> lemonade: are you the guy from #jaiku ?
[09:07] <alteregoa> high
[09:07] <alteregoa> how can i use ext4?
[09:08] <lemonade> BUGabundo_work: i guess not
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> ok, thanks anyway
[09:08] <lemonade> np
[09:08] <DJones> avis: True, but its going to be upgraded soon anyway, just holding off because last time I tried, I got the warning about not having a compatible nvidia driver available yet for older cards
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> alteregoa: there was some discussion on the kernel ML
[09:08] <BUGabundo_work> it seems you need to recomplie the kernel to enable it
[09:08] <alteregoa> crap
[09:09] <alteregoa> i think i install suse or something
[09:09] <avis> sorry to hear that DJones
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> alteregoa: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-September/003111.html
[09:10] <alteregoa> last time when i tried to compile the kernel the kernel was like 250mb large
[09:10] <alteregoa> maybe i activated to much modules
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> alteregoa: from what I read ONLY fedora had support Out of the Box for it
[09:10] <BUGabundo_work> but even that was limited
[09:10] <alteregoa> oh my god fedora
[09:11] <BUGabundo_work> please read the thread
[09:11] <alteregoa> they act like theologists
[09:11] <BUGabundo_work> so you know better what's going on
[09:11] <BUGabundo_work> and visit #ubuntu-kernel for more info
[09:11] <BUGabundo_work> maybe they finally enable just some boot flag to do it
[09:12] <BUGabundo_work> alteregoa: one older thread https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-August/002821.html
[09:12] <avis> i think ubuntu doesn't want to make the same mistake they did by adopting pulseaudio so early, so if i rememer right, wont be included
[09:12] <BUGabundo_work> and one more recent https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-October/003217.html
[09:18] <Hobbsee> DanaG: yes.
[09:24]  * crdlb can't imagine why anyone would use ext4 at this point
[09:25] <RAOF> Because it's shiny!
[09:25] <alteregoa> how can i add a raid1 to / without reboot?
[09:25] <lemonade> because it has bigger index compared to ext3 :P
[09:25] <lemonade> bigger is always better
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[09:25] <crdlb> I am reluctant to trust my data (even with backups) to a FS that hasn't been banged on for a while
[09:26] <alteregoa> i trust to my bank, but only after the state bought it
[09:26] <alteregoa> i think chavez is laughing haha
[09:34] <ikonia> !offtopic | alteregoa
[10:13] <blunder> ok now
[10:14] <Wavesonics> does anyone know if Ubuntu 8.10 will have ext4 enabled?
[10:14] <blunder> right
[10:14] <BUGabundo_work> again, Wavesonics ???
[10:14] <BUGabundo_work> I just anwsered that 30 min ago
[10:14] <Wavesonics> ext4, the new file system, will Ubuntu 8.10's kernel have support for it?
[10:14] <Wavesonics> i wasnt here last time :/
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-September/003111.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-August/002821.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2008-October/003217.html
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> please check the kernel team threads on it
[10:15] <BUGabundo_work> and visit #ubuntu-kernel for more updates
[10:17] <Wavesonics> BUGabundo_work: I'm not seeing a clear answer in these mailing lists
[10:20] <BUGabundo_work> then jump to #ubuntu-kernel
[10:20] <Wavesonics> k
[10:25] <ikonia> I thoughti t wasn't going to have ext4 ?
[10:25] <Wavesonics> it'
[10:25] <ikonia> I didn't need that typo correcting thanks
[10:25] <Wavesonics> lol
[10:25] <Wavesonics> that was my own typo
[10:25] <ikonia> I'm not laughing
[10:25] <Wavesonics> not a correction
[10:27] <Wavesonics> it's using 2.6.27 which has ext4 out of "dev", so i wish they would atleast put it there for us to play with
[10:28] <ikonia> Wavesonics thats what I thought, it's not included
[10:28] <ikonia> no need to include it, it's unstable
[10:29] <Wavesonics> Fedora's been shipping it for a while now, stable *enough* for some of us to mess around with it
[10:29] <Wavesonics> + ext4 format has been frozen, so our drives would remain compatable with future patches
[10:31] <Wavesonics> suppose no way no how to upgrade a ext3 filesystem to ext4 later huh...
[10:41] <darren__> hi to every one, a question as always, i have installed the new ubuntu but i would also like to boot into hardy i think some one told me about headers in synaptic once but the hardy version does not seem to appear if some one could please help, thank you
[10:48] <vega> darren__: you have intrepid on a separate partition? add it to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[10:48] <vega> "headers in synaptic" doesn't sound like it has anything to do with this..
[10:52] <cypherdelic> The intrepid kernel update 2.6.27-14 needed me to replace some files, after rebooting i have my appeareance half been broke because gnome-session-daemon could not be load :(
[10:53] <cypherdelic> it was 2,6,27-7.14
[10:53] <cypherdelic> lol ups not 14 but 13
[10:53] <aatk> Any think of a reason why in gnome nm-applet can connect to my wireless network, but trying to use dhclient on the command can't find any dhcp offers?
[10:56] <cypherdelic> The intrepid kernel update 2.6.27-7-13 needed me to replace some systemfiles (desktop/boot), after rebooting i have my appeareance half been broke because gnome-session-daemon could not be load and most panel applets do not work... any ideas?
[10:58] <darren__> vega, sorry was on the phone i dont know if i can expain very well and im not sure of the versions i downloaded a driver that was perfect on version 24-19 i think then i updated to version 24-20 and it stoped working and i was able to boot into the 19 or 20 kernel but now i have installed ubuntu 8.10 i can not seem to be able to get kernel version 24-19 any were to boot into, sorry if it does not make to much sense
[10:59] <darren__> its just every thing was perfect in version hardy 8.04 24-19
[11:02] <cypherdelic> hmmmmmm look: linux-image is version 2.6.27-7.10, linux-image-generic is version 2.6.27-7.10 but linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic is version 2.6.27-7.13. ...
[11:03] <Q-FUNK> who should I subscribe to Bug #287462 ?
[11:13] <girrr> I'm having trouble getting my multiple nics to work as they have before
[11:13] <girrr> I can only get one working at a time
[11:13] <girrr> if I bring another up I lose the previous one(s)
[11:14] <girrr> All are up and everything looks right but I can't ping/use more than one from other computers
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:49:47 HaeckFlaisch x-session-manager[6132]: WARNING: Unable to find provider 'gnome-wm' of required component 'windowmanager'
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:49:48 HaeckFlaisch pulseaudio[6248]: protocol-esound.c: pulsecore/protocol-esound.c: Sample too large (3528000 bytes).
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:49:58 HaeckFlaisch x-session-manager[6132]: WARNING: Application 'gnome-wm.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:49:59 HaeckFlaisch hald: mounted /dev/sde1 on behalf of uid 1000
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:50:08 HaeckFlaisch x-session-manager[6132]: WARNING: Application 'libcanberra-login-sound.desktop' failed to register before timeout
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:50:08 HaeckFlaisch x-session-manager[6132]: WARNING: Unable to parse command '(null)': Die Schlüsselwertedatei enthält den Schlüssel »Terminal« mit einem Wert der nicht interüretoert werden konnte.
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:50:08 HaeckFlaisch x-session-manager[6132]: WARNING: Could not launch application 'smart-notifier.desktop': Unable to start application: Die Schlüsselwertedatei enthält den Schlüssel »Terminal« mit einem Wert der nicht interüretoert werden konnte.
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:50:08 HaeckFlaisch pulseaudio[6248]: module-x11-xsmp.c: X11 session manager not running.
[11:14] <cypherdelic> Oct 22 11:50:08 HaeckFlaisch pulseaudio[6248]: module.c: Failed to load  module "module-x11-xsmp" (argument: ""): initialization failed.
[11:14] <RAOF> !pastebin > cypherdelic
[11:16] <cypherdelic> im sry i thought i would have copied the link to the pastebin into cache
[11:18] <cypherdelic> http://paste.ubuntu.com/60935/ - Latest kernel updates proke parts of my appearance, still X is running, any ideas?
[11:22] <phimic> hi all
[11:22] <phimic> i use 8.10 and have problems with the nvidia driver
[11:23] <phimic> my card is a NVIDIA GeForce4 420 Go AGP 4x
[11:23] <alteregoa> yeah
[11:23] <alteregoa> forget it
[11:23] <phimic> alteregoa: what you mean?
[11:23] <alteregoa> get a geforce 6 up
[11:24] <alteregoa> its incompatible
[11:24] <phimic> it is a notbook
[11:24] <alteregoa> downgrade to hardy
[11:26] <phimic> alteregoa: ok and if i dont want to use the 3d shit
[11:27] <alteregoa> i think even the 2d acceleration isnt working
[11:27] <phimic> alteregoa: it works out of the box before i tried to install the nvidia driver
[11:28] <alteregoa> now you are using something like vesa drivers
[11:28] <phimic> alteregoa: yes and this sucks
[11:29] <phimic> alteregoa: this there now way to get it to work
[11:33] <alteregoa> wait for a backport
[11:33] <phimic> why does it not work with the latest release? on Dapper Drake it works too
[11:34] <alteregoa> because nvidia doesnt support new xorg or something
[11:34] <alteregoa> i think only gf 6 series up or something
[11:35] <alteregoa> whatever i would go back to hardy, its ok
[11:36] <phimic> alteregoa: on hardy works 3d accel and compiz?
[11:37] <alteregoa> yes
[11:37] <alteregoa> it works very smooth
[11:39] <phimic> alteregoa: how long hardy will be supported i mean are there new apps like openoffice 3.0 ?
[11:40] <alteregoa> 10 years or something
[11:40] <phimic> alteregoa: ;)
[11:40] <phimic> alteregoa: so i think reinstall is better than downgrade?
[11:41] <alteregoa> have no clue how to downgrade
[11:41] <alteregoa> i think you can not downgrade
[11:42] <phimic> alteregoa: thank for info i will reinstall
[11:51] <darren__> Hi every body. could some one please let me know how to completly remove a wifi driver from ubuntu
[11:51] <knittl> hi! after changing my screens brightness i can't move windows, open menus or type… any ideas?
[11:53] <ikonia> darren__: define remove
[11:53] <ikonia> darren__: do you want to remove the driver from the kernel, or disable it, or just remove teh firmware
[11:54] <darren__> ikonia, i think the new ubuntu version has a rtl8187 beta driver and it wont let me install the driver patch from ubuntu for packet injection so i want to compleatly uninstall it so i can install from aircrack
[11:55] <ikonia> darren__: thats a binary driver, how do you expect to patch a binary driver ?
[11:55] <ikonia> darren__: thats part of the kernel, you can't just remove part of the kernel
[11:55] <ikonia> how are you trying to patch it
[11:56] <darren__> it has a page on aircrack with the guide lines which i followed with ubuntu 8.04 now when i try to install it comes back with errors after the make make install command
[11:57] <ikonia> darren__: thats because the kernel version / headers/gcc version is different
[11:57] <ikonia> 8.04 kernel info won't be appropraite on 8.10
[11:58] <darren__> ikonia, so in otherwords untill there is an update from aircrack it will be useless
[11:58] <ikonia> darren__ pretty much
[11:58] <ikonia> darren__: patches need to be written for specific source targets normally
[11:59] <ikonia> changes in the compiler and source packages will be prone to make it fail
[11:59] <darren__> ikonia, ok i found the old guidelines with the new patch but still seems to be the same problem
[12:00] <ikonia> darren__ depends what version the new patch is aimed at
[12:00] <darren__> ok sorry to be a pain then is there any way of having the older version of ubuntu and the the new version and then being able to choose which one to boot into sorry im kinda new to this
[12:01] <darren__> its just a spent days working out the last patch and installing
[12:01] <ikonia> darren__ no
[12:01] <ikonia> darren__: your using beta software - expect things not to work / be stable / be patches yet
[12:02] <supert0nes> could put them on separate partitions and put home on another partition from that and boot both with the same home
[12:02] <darren__> ikonia, true is it 8 days now till the stable version
[12:02] <ikonia> darren__ so ?
[12:02] <ikonia> aircrack patches are not mainted by ubuntu
[12:02] <ikonia> so it's nothing to do with them if it works or not
[12:02] <darren__> ikonia, yes that is true
[12:04] <darren__> and thank you for the advise i think i just have to wait or goback to ubuntu 8.04. and thank you again
[12:04] <supert0nes> darren_ is my advice not possible?
[12:05] <darren__> supert0nes, im not sure i have a duel boot system with vista i will have to look into it. have you tryed it befor
[12:05] <supert0nes> i can understand if you don't want to waste the space
[12:05] <supert0nes> sure you can have 3 and 2 as ubuntu
[12:05] <supert0nes> and with using the same home it will be like starting the same os on both
[12:06] <BUGabundo_work> supert0nes: you can use qemu to test drive it
[12:06] <darren__> supert0nes, ok also thanks for the advice i will have to do a bit of searcing on this
[12:06] <supert0nes> ya if you just want to test beta software install virtualbox or qemu
[12:07] <supert0nes> the entire os will be loaded into a virtualbox file
[12:07] <darren__> supert0nes, but im sure virtualbox uses the same drivers as the main os not seprate
[12:07] <mzuverink> I installed gtk-engines-ubuntulooks and when doing so it removed:human-them,ubuntu-artwrk, and ubuntu-desktop.  Once I rebooteed which I had to do immediately after installing gtk-engines-ubuntulooks and removing what I mentioned it needed to remove, my battery went dead on the laptop, when restarted the theme is a theme, nothing special, but  it immediately fails to load the volume control setting quit unexpectedly, when I attempt to change th
[12:07] <mzuverink> e theme it says Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'. and says that the is aa non gnome settng mqanager runninf or a problem with bonobo?  What should I do?
[12:07] <supert0nes> ahh
[12:07] <mzuverink> sorry for the long post
[12:11] <mzuverink> anyone got an idea of what to do?
[12:13] <zniavre> try to kill bonobo-activation-server
[12:14] <mzuverink> zniavre, I did, there were two running, it did not help
[12:14] <zniavre> i do not know im sprry
[12:14] <zniavre> sorry
[12:15] <mzuverink> zniavre, no need to be sorry, I thought that too, first thing
[12:32] <vega> what's the link to the bugs in 8.10 beta, i'm never able to find it while browsing launchpad manually..
[12:34] <thesaltydog> after yesterday's dist upgrade my sound card is no more working. No sound at all... Realtek ALC883
[12:35] <thesaltydog> is there any test I can do?
[12:37] <filipegarcia> can anyone tell me if are any differences with the serial port in 8.10?
[12:40] <alteregoa> gnomestic problems?
[12:40] <ikonia> filipegarcia serial port is hardware
[12:40] <filipegarcia> yes but the access
[12:40] <ikonia> what about it ?
[12:41] <filipegarcia> well i have a script in php to communicate with a lcd screen that in 8.04 works and in 8.10 don't
[12:41] <ikonia> filipegarcia different php version ?
[12:41] <filipegarcia> nop
[12:41] <ikonia> really, hardy and ibex use the same versions?
[12:42] <filipegarcia> i install the same
[12:43] <filipegarcia> and the script only does bash commands
[12:43] <ikonia> you installed teh same ??? does ibex and hardy have teh same php version inteh repos ?
[12:43] <ikonia> filipegarcia: try the bash commands manually to debug it then
[12:44] <filipegarcia> the first thing i noticed is that permissions on /ev/ttyS0 always change to default after a reboot
[12:45] <wgrant> They have done that almost forever.
[12:45] <ikonia> filipegarcia yes, thats udev (I assume you are changing them)
[12:45] <filipegarcia> humm, i guess not
[12:45] <ikonia> you guess not what ?
[12:46] <ikonia> if the permissions are changing on reboot - they must changed from something, are you setting them to something
[12:46] <filipegarcia> i did chmod 777 /dev..
[12:46] <ikonia> what ?
[12:46] <ikonia> thats crazy
[12:46] <wgrant> WHAT!?
[12:47] <wgrant> Do not ever do that.
[12:47] <ikonia> and even that would only change /dev nothing under it
[12:47] <wgrant> Ever.
[12:47] <wgrant> Ever. Ever.
[12:47] <filipegarcia> chmod 777 /dev/ttyS0  ??
[12:47] <ikonia> no
[12:47] <ikonia> sheesh
[12:47] <wgrant> Ah, not quite so bad, but still.
[12:48] <filipegarcia> so how can i do that ?
[12:48] <ikonia> filipegarcia change the udev rules, or put the users accessing the ty in the correct group
[12:50] <phimic> alteregoa: you nickname sound like electronical music
[12:51] <phimic> alteregoa: i installed hardy and did a update but the procedure dpkg --configure -a get interrupted by a kernel panic :(
[13:04] <Marsmensch> anyone reported problems with virtualBox?
[13:09] <ret> hmm.
[13:13] <eagles0513875> can i ask a question a general one
[13:13] <eagles0513875> would u recommend intrepid the way it is right now to be put on a production server
[13:13] <ikonia> eagles0513875 this is ubuntu+1 - 8.10 supoprt only
[13:13] <ikonia> eagles0513875: no
[13:13] <ikonia> eagles0513875: not at all
[13:13] <eagles0513875> ikonia: ok ill wait till its released
[13:17] <slayton> Where can I download the Nightlybuild for Intrepid?
[13:17] <ikonia> slayton: there isn't one
[13:17] <BUGabundo_work> !dailies
[13:17] <BUGabundo_work> !daily
[13:18] <slayton> BUGabundo_work, THANKS!
[13:18] <BUGabundo_work> lol ikonia its not a nightly sure. it's a daily
[13:18] <BUGabundo_work> eheh
[13:18] <BUGabundo_work> slayton: remember to use rsync to help you download just what you miss since the last image
[13:18] <slayton> BUGabundo_work, thanks, I never thought of that
[13:19] <slayton> this is my first DL so ...
[13:19] <ikonia> I thought they had stopped with the beta coming up to RC
[13:19] <ikonia> what's the point of nightly builds
[13:20] <BUGabundo_work> just have up to date images to test
[13:22] <ikonia> the images should still be the same
[13:22] <Hobbsee> ikonia: they aren't - uploads happen between beta and RC.
[13:23] <Hobbsee> If anyone's interested in testing the RC, they should join #ubuntu-testing
[13:23] <ikonia> Hobbsee I knew patch fixes happened, but I didn't think the actual install images where updated
[13:23] <ikonia> I was expecitng the next "spin" to be an rc
[13:23] <ikonia> or the next public spin I should say
[13:23] <Hobbsee> ikonia: nope.
[13:23] <BUGabundo_work> actually they are
[13:23] <ikonia> or a beta 2, beta 3 etc
[13:23] <Hobbsee> they're all public
[13:23] <BUGabundo_work> lots of them
[13:23] <elbermungster> when's the RC coming out?
[13:23] <Hobbsee> elbermungster: never.
[13:23] <Hobbsee> However, you can test it.
[13:24] <elbermungster> Never?????
[13:24] <Hobbsee> :P
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> lol
[13:24] <Hobbsee> well, not yet
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> its coming
[13:24] <elbermungster> oh
[13:24] <elbermungster> phew
[13:24] <BUGabundo_work> but it won't be the image equal to release
[13:24] <Hobbsee> elbermungster: see http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/all
[13:24] <Hobbsee> elbermungster: there are instructions at the top, to help test
[13:32] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[13:33] <doktoreas> after upgrading to intrepid I noticed that during the boot, the system stays about 2 min on "starting network device"
[13:33] <doktoreas> this happen if no wired cable is connected
[13:35] <lusepuster_> Hi channel; just upgraded here. The new user switcher/status applet seems nifty and nice, but it confuses me a bit. The online/away/... status is shown to other computers on the local network, or? And which application is it shown in? I'm not logged in to Empathy, so what status is it showing then?
[13:36] <BUGabundo_work> pidgin ?
[13:36] <BUGabundo_work> any IM client it can handle via DBUS
[13:36] <lusepuster_> BUGabundo_work, was that an answer for me?
[13:36] <BUGabundo_work> yes lusepuster_
[13:37] <lusepuster_> BUGabundo_work, yeah okay... But isn't it a bit redundant then? I already have one status changing applet in my systray...? Or is there any smart features I haven't seen?
[13:45] <BUGabundo_work> it will be smarter in the future
[13:46] <BUGabundo_work> plus stuff like ubuntu mobile aim to reduce the number of icons, so that allows to have just that one
[13:51] <gnomefreak> ls -a
[13:51] <gnomefreak> :(
[14:15] <lusepuster_> I have a few quirks after upgrading. The music player apps don't seem to react to the assigned global hotkeys anymor (which are set correctly, I just checked). Known bug, and is there a fix?
[14:18] <lusepuster_> And another quirk - in my Places menu, when I try to open my home or desktop folder or one of my Nautilys shhortcuts, it gives me an error message saying something went wrong running Audacious! Any idea what is up?
[14:21] <tsuru> has anyone else seen trouble with SCIM not triggering after the trigger shortcut has been pressed?
[14:23] <alabamahit> everytime i try to run as admin....such as Insatlling updates i get this errror
[14:23] <alabamahit> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[14:23] <alabamahit> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[14:24] <tsuru> lusepuster_: it sounds like some how Audacious has been associated with opening folders. I had this problem with comix. Sadly I don't know exactly how I fixed it... I believe I might have run 'nautilus --no-desktop' from the CLI and it fixed it for me...
[14:24] <Pici> !aptfix | alabamahit
[14:25] <lusepuster_> tsuru, it reverted the associations for you?
[14:25] <tsuru> lusepuster_: if I recall correctly, yes. I wish I had a more exact answer for you :(
[14:26] <lusepuster_> tsuru, thanks, I'll try that
[14:26] <alabamahit> Pici: i ran both in terminal..got same error...should i reboot and  retry?
[14:27] <Pici> alabamahit: you shouldn't have to.  Are you sure you don't have some package manager aleady open?
[14:27] <alabamahit> im sure.
[14:27] <alabamahit> I just turned on the computer lol
[14:27] <lusepuster_> tsuru; it opens a nautilus window alright, but doesn't revert associations...
[14:28] <linkinxp> okey guys! hello!!
[14:29] <lusepuster_> tsuru, but simply right-clicking a folder and changing associations helped. D'uh! Sometimes you can't see the forest for all the trees...
[14:29] <linkinxp> mmmm my webcam no longer works
[14:29] <linkinxp> :(
[14:29] <lusepuster_> tsuru, thanks for hinting me in thew right direction!
[14:29] <Pici> alabamahit: You can try, but I don't think it will fix it.
[14:31] <tsuru> lusepuster_: now you can tell me what's wrong with my scim :P
[14:32] <lusepuster_> tsuru, Heh, can try if you tell the symptoms but you just saw my diagnosing skillz - not exactly 1337...
[14:34] <alabamahit> What is this folder? /var/cache/apt/archives
[14:34] <alabamahit> Temp. folder?
[14:35] <Pici> alabamahit: Thats where .debs go from apt-get before and after they are installed.
[14:35] <lusepuster_> tsuru, but it could be related to why my MMkeys suddenly don't work...?
[14:36] <alabamahit> Pici: do they remove after install? or do i ahve to do that?
[14:36] <lusepuster_> tsuru, seems in the same vein right? shortcuts not reacted to?
[14:36] <Pici> alabamahit: You'd have to run apt-get clean  to remove stuff from that folder.
[14:37] <alabamahit> Pici: Found fix to that error i got.
[14:37] <alabamahit> I just removed that lock file.
[14:37] <Pici> Ah, good.
[14:37] <alabamahit> updates working perfect again :)
[14:39] <amrik> hi im having trouble getting scim to work in intrepid
[14:39] <alabamahit> Now i got this
[14:39] <alabamahit> /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-image-2.6.27-7-generic_2.6.27-7.13_i386.deb: subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[14:39] <amrik> i cant get the triggers to work to switch input to japanese mode
[14:39] <lusepuster_> amrik, tsuru having the same problem
[14:40] <rinaldi_> hi, does anyone have the atheros ar242x drivers working in 64 bit?
[14:40] <alabamahit> tzdata: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[14:40] <amrik> lusepuster_: i just joined the channel, please update me
[14:40] <tsuru> amrik: same exact boat :(
[14:40] <tsuru> amrik: no solution yet
[14:40] <amrik> tsuru: ok did it ever work in 8.10?
[14:41] <tsuru> amrik: yes
[14:41] <TychoQuad> should the new network manager ask me for a password before letting me change settings?
[14:41] <amrik> tsuru: ok exact same then
[14:41] <tsuru> amrik: it stopped working for me yesterday or at least that was when I realized it
[14:42] <TychoQuad> because it doesn't, and it won't let me change anything
[14:42] <lusepuster_> tsuru, amrik what is the problem exactly?
[14:42] <amrik> tsuru: right me too. so i think its because X had an update so perhaps scim cannot pick up keyboard input any more
[14:42] <tsuru> amrik: if you start something like gedit from the shell do you get messages from scim?
[14:43] <alabamahit> i cant install Nohting
[14:43] <amrik> lusepuster_: configuring SCIM with multiple language input, the triggers (key combinations) that switch between different inputs sometimes fail
[14:43] <amrik> tsuru: ok it started working again
[14:43] <tsuru> wha?
[14:44] <amrik> tsuru: the output in the console is /usr/bin/scim and the PID for the current scim process, but TWICE
[14:44] <tsuru> hmmm that's more than I got
[14:44] <lusepuster_> amrik, tsuru I only upgraded yesterday, and the shortcuts for my mediaplayer fail now. Doesn't that suggest some bug in X...?
[14:45] <amrik> lusepuster_: yes i am pretty sure there is an interaction with the keyboard in X that changed in the latest update
[14:45] <tsuru> I get "/usr/bin/scim The messenger is down" over and over
[14:46] <amrik> テスト
[14:46] <demontager> how to use gnome-voice control applet? I see "calibrating" what I should to do now*?
[14:46] <tsuru> amrik: the real test is firefox
[14:46] <lusepuster_> amrik, seems like something is working eh?
[14:46] <tsuru> amrik: does it work there?
[14:46] <amrik> これ、見えますか
[14:46] <tsuru> yes I can see it
[14:47] <amrik> tsuru: ok so what i did was i killed the scim process, and reloaded it manually
[14:47] <tsuru> amrik: ah... so if you reboot it might not be guaranteed to start again eh?
[14:47] <amrik> tsuru: yeah
[14:49] <amrik> tsuru: but just to recap what i did was i checked my config options (i use alt+gravure `), then exited SCIM, then reloaded scim in a terminal by running scim at the prompt. i ten closed and reopened firefox and now it works
[14:50] <bernhard> anyone got acer one 110L resolution to work?
[14:50] <bernhard> i got huge fonts
[14:50] <bernhard> acer aspire*
[14:51] <tsuru> amrik: yeah... I'd like to know where it in the config it went wrong... In gedit I can right-click > input methods > SCIM and it works too... firefox doesn't have that option in the right-click menu sadly...
[14:51] <bernhard> is there an equal command to xorgcfg in ubuntu?
[14:54] <bernhard> Y
[14:55] <tychoquad_> does anyone know how I clear ifupdown from the network manager?
[14:56] <alabamahit> Will all these updates we are getting be in File of 8.10?
[14:56] <alabamahit> final*
[14:56] <tychoquad_> yes
[14:56] <alabamahit> cool
[14:57] <alabamahit> cause Nothing will insatll for me lol
[14:57] <bazookatooth> kernel update today? scurry
[14:57] <alabamahit> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
[14:57] <alabamahit>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[14:57] <alabamahit> Errors were encountered while processing:
[14:57] <alabamahit>  tzdata
[14:58] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: if you cant install anything you wont beable to update your packages
[14:58] <alabamahit> i know i cant update...thats where i found out i cant lol
[14:58] <alabamahit> Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[14:58] <bazookatooth> where in AL, alabama
[14:58] <alabamahit> Huntsville
[14:58] <bazookatooth> me too
[14:58] <alabamahit> really
[14:58] <bazookatooth> yeah
[14:59] <alabamahit> Roll tide :)
[14:59] <bazookatooth> bradford dr... colonial building
[14:59] <bazookatooth> hell yea :)
[14:59] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: does sudo dpkg --configure -a  work
[14:59] <alabamahit> gnomefreak: tired that like 5 times...
[14:59] <alabamahit> bazookatooth: right down the road
[14:59] <gnomefreak> bazookatooth: alabamahit please keep offtopic talks in #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:59] <alabamahit> soory
[14:59] <bazookatooth> lol
[15:00] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm tzdata isnt giving me issues. is this a recent upgrade from hardy or fresh install
[15:00] <alabamahit> fresh install of 8.10
[15:00] <alabamahit> it was working perfect
[15:00] <alabamahit> started with this error
[15:01] <alabamahit> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[15:01] <alabamahit>  E: Unable to lock the download directory
[15:01] <alabamahit> found a fix for it..by removing the lock file.
[15:01] <alabamahit> then now i am where i am now.
[15:02] <alabamahit> bazookatooth: pm
[15:02] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: umm why didnt you just close whatevery other apt/dpkg was loaded
[15:02] <alabamahit> gnomefreak: there was nothing running except the update manager.
[15:03] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: that error is caused by trying to run more than one apt/dpkg/update-manager/synaptic/ect..
[15:03] <alabamahit> I understand taht....but unless there is something running inthe background that i did not run there is nothing
[15:03] <s0u][ight> hello intrepid uses pulseaudio by default right?
[15:03] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: try running sudo apt-get install --reinstall apt
[15:03] <s0u][ight> how can i switch back to alsa
[15:03] <gnomefreak> s0u][ight: ubuntu intrepid does
[15:04] <alabamahit> i just cut the ocmputer on and had some updates and tried to install and this happend :(
[15:04] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: wht did you use to remove the lock file?
[15:04] <gnomefreak> s/wht/what
[15:04] <s0u][ight> normally i see a lot in alsamixer but now i only see 1 thing
[15:04] <alabamahit> terminal
[15:04] <alabamahit> sudo rm
[15:04] <alabamahit> sudo apt-get install --reinstall apt
[15:04] <alabamahit> opps
[15:04] <alabamahit> gnomefreak: same error
[15:05] <alabamahit> dpkg: error processing tzdata (--configure):
[15:05] <alabamahit>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[15:05] <alabamahit> Errors were encountered while processing:
[15:05] <alabamahit>  tzdata
[15:05] <gnomefreak> s0u][ight: sound properties should have a way or read the link that ubottu gives you when !pusleaudio
[15:05] <s0u][ight> !pulseaudio
[15:05] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: can you remove that package?
[15:06] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: what version of tzdata is it
[15:06] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: apt-cache policy tzdata should give you instlled version and an update version if there is an update
[15:07] <alabamahit> zdata:
[15:07] <alabamahit>   Installed: 2008h-2ubuntu1
[15:07] <alabamahit>   Candidate: 2008h-2ubuntu1
[15:07] <alabamahit>   Version table:
[15:07] <alabamahit>  *** 2008h-2ubuntu1 0
[15:07] <alabamahit>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com intrepid/main Packages
[15:07] <alabamahit>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[15:08] <Pici> !paste
[15:09] <bazookatooth> weird bug upon reboot after last update (today's i'm assuming)... the volume control app in the toolbar quit unexpectedly & would not restart...
[15:10] <bazookatooth> no biggie
[15:10] <tychoquad_> is it possible to clear ifupdown from the network manager?
[15:11] <rinaldi_> Hi.when is the release candidate out?
[15:11] <gnomefreak> alabamahit: i have same version without issues im wondering if removing that lock file is causing this
[15:11] <rinaldi_> whoops saw topid
[15:11] <gnomefreak> rinaldi_: read /topic
[15:11] <alabamahit> i could not install anything before taht either.
[15:11] <alabamahit> That lock file was blocking me from installing also....But you may very well be right..
[15:12] <alabamahit> im going to try the most common fix in the world
[15:12] <alabamahit> Reboot.
[15:12] <alabamahit> BRB
[15:23] <alabamahit> it workied
[15:24] <alabamahit> i guess i just had to delete that lock file and reboot.???
[15:24] <alabamahit> but its working thanks for help yall./
[15:39] <bazookatooth> getting this after update : "Unable to start the settings manager 'gnome-settings-daemon'.
[15:39] <bazookatooth> Without the GNOME settings manager running, some preferences may not take effect. This could indicate a problem with Bonobo, or a non-GNOME (e.g. KDE) settings manager may already be active and conflicting with the GNOME settings manager."
[15:40] <bazookatooth> and everything looks like crap...
[15:41] <bazookatooth> hmm.. ok, fixed.
[15:46] <bazookatooth> yeah, apparently my gnome-settings-daemon is crashing after the most recent update... so everything looks fine.. and then randomly looks like garbage. also, it doesnt work at all unless i run it from the command line myself, and then only for a few minutes
[15:51] <nicolah> I'm experiencing some problem with my nokie 5300 and intrepid
[15:51] <nicolah> http://paste.ubuntu.com/61032/
[15:53] <ronny> omg ?! where is kdiff3 gone ?!
[15:57] <alabamahit> ....
[16:06] <alabamahit> Wb
[16:07] <bazookatooth> if anyone else is having display issues (gnome-settings-daemon) problems after today's update, you should remove  sudo apt-get remove libvisual-0.4-plugins
[16:07] <bazookatooth> completely fixes the problem & no dependencies for me
[16:09] <bazookatooth> bug logged & confirmed here : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libvisual-plugins/+bug/287448
[16:13] <scientes> hmm why doesnt the dmesg dump bios time when it boots?
[16:14] <ikonia> it reads time from teh system not the bios
[16:18] <scientes> o well hi again ikonia
[16:18] <scientes> ut is in the dmesg
[16:18] <scientes> cause that will confirm weather it is the right boot
[16:22] <scientes> yeah there it is its the right boot
[16:22] <scientes> dont speak me down ikonia
[16:23] <bazookatooth> ??
[16:23] <dr_willis> Hmm..
[16:23] <dr_willis> Trying a update now bazookatooth  :) lets see
[16:27] <ret> where is the .Trash directory located in intrepid.
[16:28] <dr_willis> Looks like .local/share/Trash
[16:28] <dr_willis> :)
[16:29] <danbh_intrepid> bazookatooth: are you using amarok?
[16:30] <pawan> hi
[16:30] <ret> dr_willis: are you sure.
[16:30] <pawan> when is the new version coming out
[16:30] <pawan> anyone form india
[16:30] <ret> because that claims that it's empty, and the trash icon is full
[16:30] <pawan> from
[16:30] <dr_willis> willis@ibex:~/.local/share/Trash(0 Mb)$
[16:31] <ret> pawan: 8 days.
[16:31] <dr_willis> could be the trash icon applet is confused..
[16:31] <dr_willis> or theres some .files
[16:31] <bazookatooth> danbh, not currently, but i have before.
[16:31] <dr_willis> I have a 'files' and 'info' directory in the Trash directory
[16:31] <danbh_intrepid> bazookatooth: maybe thats how the libvisuals package got installed
[16:32] <bazookatooth> danbh, ah ok.. thanks.
[16:33] <ret> and how do i make modifications/configuration cchanges to compiz fusion
[16:33] <dr_willis> ret,  did you install the ccsm tool yet?
[16:33] <ret> dr_willis: just using the beta livecd.
[16:33] <ret> don't know 'ccsm' or whatever.
[16:34] <dr_willis> it has the proper 3d drivers for you to use compiz fromn the live cd? Nifty
[16:34] <dr_willis> !ccsm
[16:34] <ret> dr_willis: oh, compis is working i have nvidia drivers.
[16:34] <ret> but erm.. ok
[16:34] <ret> sec.
[16:34] <dr_willis> ccsm is the tool used to tweak all the compiz settings.
[16:35] <dr_willis> i always install it asap. :)
[16:35] <ret> word
[16:36] <ret> eh, just a sec, apt is in use.
[16:36] <ret> trying to get terminal font changes (monaco fonts) so i require some chkfontpath but ubuntu doesn't have that, so i have to get some python implementation
[16:39] <scientes> can somone upload a default /etc/passwd my got eaten by the wrath of ubuntu
[16:40] <dr_willis> scientes, http://pastebin.com/f2d29dca6
[16:41] <scientes> dr_willis: do you know if utf-8 is allowed in there?
[16:42] <dr_willis> Hmm... Just a guess.. but i would say no.. but then again.. Im an english using american... so I cant even figure out how to type any of those weird characters. :)
[16:42] <dr_willis> try making a user name with a utf-charcter?
[16:43] <scientes> ii did
[16:43] <scientes> and it worked
[16:43] <scientes> but then i had this problem
[16:43] <scientes> which may have been created by that
[16:43] <scientes> i am an american
[16:43] <scientes> just thought it would be cool to have a ☭ user
[16:44] <dr_willis> I just see little box's that look like Dominos :)
[16:44] <dr_willis> ☭ ☭ ☭
[16:44] <scientes> damnit
[16:44] <scientes> web irc easily closed with xtrl+w
[16:45] <scientes> or a user called ✈▐▐ would be cool
[16:45] <scientes> you can do alot with unicode
[16:46] <dr_willis> I recall someone chatting once in irc channel some how printed upside down text thta said 'my computer is broken'  :) i forget how he did it.
[16:46] <dr_willis> it was amuseing
[16:46] <scientes> well im gonna see itf it bots now
[16:47] <jrib> dr_willis: ¿uɐǝɯ noʎ op ʇɐɥʍ
[16:47] <dr_willis> Toying with the Gnome Remote desktop.. does that use VNC as the protocoll?
[16:47] <scientes> yes
[16:47] <dr_willis> jrib,  that was  text with boxs :) i mey need better fonts
[16:47] <dr_willis> Ok. :) tryinng it out.. and seeing how it compares to my normay way of running vncserver in  the background for a session.
[16:48] <jrib> dr_willis: you're on windows?
[16:48] <dr_willis> jrib,  on this box yes.
[16:48] <dr_willis> and virtualbox with 8.10 , and a machine upstairs has 8.10
[16:48] <jrib> dr_willis: should "just work" in xchat on ubuntu fwiw
 dr_willis: ¿uɐǝɯ noʎ op ʇɐɥʍ
[16:49] <Dr_Willis_> Yes it does. :)
[16:49] <scientes> iʇxәʇd!Ⴈɟ pɐәɹ ʇuɐɔ әႡ ɐႡɐႡ
[16:50] <scientes> yours was actually real hough jrib
[16:50] <scientes> how do you do that?
[16:50] <Dr_Willis_> sudo adduser ʇɐɥʍ
[16:50] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[16:50] <scientes> its the utf text direction stuff
[16:50] <Dr_Willis_> User name not allowed.. :)
[16:50] <scientes> dr_willis try typing that in to log in :)
[16:50] <Dr_Willis_> adduser: To avoid problems, the username should consist only of
[16:50] <Dr_Willis_> letters, digits, underscores, periods,
[16:51] <jrib> scientes: I just googled "upside down unicode text": http://swizzy.frih.net/tools/49/flip
[16:51] <scientes> yeah so i added it directly to /etc/passwd
[16:51] <scientes> and it worked
[16:51] <jrib> neat
[16:51] <dr_willis> Thats.. scary
[16:51] <scientes> no jrib but hat is the sude, its just lookalike chars
[16:52] <scientes> i think you can actually do it with regulat chars and special meta characters
[16:52] <jrib> oh
[16:52] <scientes> just open /etc/passwd its fairly simple
[16:52] <scientes> just dont edit /etc/shadow or youll break your password
[16:53] <jrib> can you make your password unicode?
[16:53] <scientes> yeah i did it onc
[16:54] <rinaldi_> hi all, I just installed intrepid rc todays build. I have an ar242x wireless chipset and hardware drivers. I know from before that the restricted atheros drivers don't work, so I disabled them assuming that the madwifi drivers would work fine. I can now see the wlan0 and can see it in nm-applet but I am unable to scan. Any ideas what is going on?
[16:59] <rinaldi_> Wifi Radar also tells me that wlan0 doesn't support scanning....
[17:01] <tsuru> rinaldi_: do you have iwlist at the command line?
[17:01] <rinaldi_> tsuru, yes wlan0 says now scan results
[17:02] <rinaldi_> *"no scan results"
[17:02] <jelly> Hi, where does ubuntu get the tarball for fglrx-installer from?  I wish to rebuild it on another distro, but can't find a link to the upstream on https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/
[17:02] <tsuru> rinaldi_: In my experience with atheros you need both ath0 and wlan0... if ath0 isn't there then I'd suspect drivers
[17:03] <rinaldi_> tsuru, if I do sudo iwlist it tells me that network is down. but seeing as there is no ath0, I will have to try other drivers
[17:05] <reqqit> So. Jolly-Jackal?
[17:07] <Q-FUNK> hi!
[17:07] <reqqit> hi!
[17:08] <Q-FUNK> any idea whether a more plausible explanation (possibly involving re-assinging the bug to another package) exists for Bug #287462
[17:08]  * reqqit spray paints 'Jolly Jackal wuz ere' on the wall and thinks of a nice icey mint crisp UI for Jackal.
[17:14] <td123> are the rc images testing images for the actual rc? since the rc is scheduled to come out tomarrow
[17:26] <Wavesonics> does Ubuntu's Server CD come with raidtools or mdadm?
[17:30] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: why dont you just grab the source?
[17:32] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: or http://ati.amd.com/support/driver.html
[17:33] <gaelfx> I am trying to connect my bluetooth mouse via a dongle, but the pairing keeps failing, dmesg give hci0 command tx timeout, what can I do to get my bluetooth working?
[17:37] <Wavesonics> is it possible to upgrade a ext3 filesystem to ext4?
[17:40] <rgreening> Wavesonics: yes
[17:41] <Wavesonics> really? Not just mounting ext as ext4, but actually updating the filesystem?
[17:41] <rgreening> ext2 -> ext3 -> ext4 are all possible
[17:41] <Wavesonics> awesome, didn't know that :)
[17:41] <Wavesonics> so i can happily install ext3, and upgrade it when ubuntu finially ships it?
[17:41] <rgreening> they are all extensions with updated biits. Though, you cannot go from ext4 to 3
[17:41] <rgreening> iirc
[17:42] <rgreening> so, yeah, ext3 is the way to go if you eventually want ext4
[17:42] <danbh_intrepid> can you go from ext4 to ext2?
[17:42] <rgreening> no
[17:42] <Wavesonics> lol, i dont htink so
[17:42] <Wavesonics> well that makes me happy
[17:42] <rgreening> ext 2 is < ext3 and 4
[17:42] <Wavesonics> especially about the extents in ext4 since im using it for a file system
[17:43] <rgreening> Wavesonics: there are lot's of docs floating around about updating to ext4 (though I am at a loss for a link at the moment)
[17:44] <Wavesonics> thank you rgreening :)
[17:44] <gaelfx> http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-ext4/index.html
[17:44] <rgreening> np. have fun
[17:44] <Wavesonics> another question, does the Ubuntu Server CD have tools to setup software RAID?
[17:45] <rgreening> http://ext4.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page
[17:45] <rgreening> Wavesonics: I believe so... though it's been a while since I checked.
[17:45] <Wavesonics> great, you've been very helpfull!
[17:46] <rgreening> :)
[17:49] <jelly> danbh_intrepid: I can't _find_ that version on ati's site!
[17:57] <a1len_> Hi.
[17:58] <a1len_> Is anyone else having issues with Alien?
[17:59] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: do you see ....orig.tar.gz?   thats supposed to be the original non-ubuntu files
[17:59] <jelly> danbh_intrepid: I don't see where ubuntu gets the tarball from.
[18:02] <janest> hello i am new to ubuntu. I want to setup an Lamp Server to host a few websites. I just installed the latest version of Ubuntu Server and i am not trying to install vnc server so i can work on the server remotely. I installed x11 vnc-java but i can not connect to the server. Can ne1 help me
[18:03] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: yeah, I dunno either
[18:03] <jelly> danbh_intrepid: in other words, I want to get it from upstream.  However, I only see 8-10 on ATI's site, and that tarball seems to contain 8.542
[18:03] <a1len_> I can't get the Aircrack-ng that's available via synaptic to work correctly.
[18:03] <a1len_> Anyone know what to do?
[18:03] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: yeah, well, Im just getting to know packaging....
[18:04] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: the orig.tar.gz is supposed to be the upstream version, but the changelog should also record where it was gotten, and what kind of repack was done.  But I don't see that
[18:06] <jelly> danbh_intrepid: _if_ ubuntu is following debian packaging policy, then debian/copyright should contain the tarball origin, not the changelog
[18:06] <danbh_intrepid> oh, ok
[18:06] <jelly> danbh_intrepid: debian/README.Debian says "Further information can be found at http://www.ati.com/ -- look for the "Drivers & Software" page and follow links to the Linux drivers."
[18:07] <jelly> yeah well, I did.  There was no 8.543 there ;-)
[18:07]  * jelly shrugs
[18:09] <blub> hi, I'm having problems with nautilus which takes 30+ seconds to open an initial window or move to a different folder
[18:09] <blub> or open a second window
[18:11] <DarthFrog> Flaming hell.  I just did a dist-upgrade, now Firefox can't find anything on the net.  Konqueror works fine. :-(
[18:11] <jxander> where do i find a list of the packages that are included in intrepid ibex and their versions?
[18:11] <danbh_intrepid> jxander: packages.ubuntu.com
[18:13] <danbh_intrepid> jelly: well, I couldn't find anything, but I think this is the wrong room to ask.  #ubuntu-motu is where all the packagers hang out.
[18:13] <jxander> thanks danbh_intrepid
[18:14] <danbh_intrepid> DarthFrog: running kubuntu I take it?
[18:14] <DarthFrog> danbh_intrepid: Yes.
[18:14] <danbh_intrepid> DarthFrog: try this command to reinstall the defaults for your system!  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop^             and dont forget the ^
[18:14] <DarthFrog> OK.  What's the ^ for?
[18:15] <danbh_intrepid> try it, and see
[18:15] <joaopinto> danbh_intrepid, that command will not reinstall anything, it will just install the kubuntu-desktop related packages not available on the system
[18:15] <danbh_intrepid> you can always cancel
[18:15] <DarthFrog> Hey, that's a useful trick. :-)
[18:17] <danbh_intrepid> joaopinto: yeah, you are correct, it doesn't to reinstalls, but I'm open to suggestions of how to describe it.  The one you gave, "install the kubuntu-desktop related packages not available on the system" doesn't quite make sense to me
[18:17] <DarthFrog> The thing is, networking is working (obviously).  I have DNS.  I can get mail.  I can browse with Konq.  I can ping, I can ssh.  But firefox/chatzilla can't find anything.
[18:17] <danbh_intrepid> maybe: "installs default dependencies"
[18:17] <janest> Does Ubunto server have some type of remote desktop installed by default?
[18:18] <alteregoa> yes
[18:18] <alteregoa> vino server
[18:18] <alteregoa> you can enable it with a single click
[18:19] <janest> i dont have xwindows installed. I have the server version installed
[18:19] <DarthFrog> oh cute: Now apt-get autoremove is "Removing gnome-desktop-environment ..."
[18:20] <alteregoa> cool
[18:20] <alteregoa> just try to install dwarf
[18:21] <ninjafury> guys, I've got a question that google/forums couldn't help me with
[18:22] <skyjumper> just installed openoffice 3.0 from the packages at http://ppa.launchpad.net/openoffice-pkgs/ubuntu ...
[18:22] <ninjafury> I have an external drive partitioned as HFSPLUS (no journaling) and I can only open files on it as root. How do I make it so that regular users can read/write from it?
[18:22] <skyjumper> not sure how to change the theme... themes from the packages aren't showing up in tools/options/openoffice/appearance
[18:23] <danbh_intrepid> DarthFrog: you can sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop-environment and autoremove won't do that, but the real issue might be that the command I gave you removed a gnome meta package?  But gnome isn't part of kubuntu, I dunno
[18:23] <ZenithDK> hi, does someone know of problems with intrepid not remembering your session?
[18:23] <emma_goldstein> there's no services-tab in my bluetooth-applet - any idea how to recover the services-tab ? bluetooth-services are up and functional.
[18:24] <ctx> Hey guys, I am using ubuntu since 6.10 and know it very well, also many of the xperts-stuff, but I never tried unstable versions except of in VMs, I planned to buy a new system in about two weeks and install intrepid, but now my old system has so hard problems, that I will buy the new components tomorrow: My question, Should I install the beta or is there some bigger risk? I will do a complete backup.
[18:24] <DarthFrog> danbh_intrepid: I'm not that bothered about the removal of GNOME, I can always put it back.  But this firefox thing is stumping me.  It's not in offline mode and networking is working everywhere else. Firefox was working before I did a dist-upgrade and rebooted.
[18:24] <ctx> What are the pros and cons? Mark that my new CPU (AMD Phenom X3) need the new kernel for working out of the box
[18:25] <danbh_intrepid> ctx: intrepid comes out next week
[18:25] <ctx> I now, but I will setup my new system tomorrow.
[18:26] <skyjumper> found where the "themes" are in openoffice... so how do you set it to display gtk widgets?
[18:26] <danbh_intrepid> rc comes out tomorrow
[18:26] <DarthFrog> ctx: Intrepid beta is working pretty well.  But you could always install Hardy and do an _in situ_ upgrade once Intrepid is formally released.
[18:27] <ctx> ^yeah, good idea, but people say upgrade is not good as a new install, I already upgraded my 7.10 to Hardy and there were some problems, when I install the intrepid beat it automatically will update to final next week, right?
[18:29] <DarthFrog> automatically? No, you'll still have to allow it.
[18:29] <ZenithDK> no one has problems with gnome-session not remembering the session?
[18:29] <ZenithDK> I have enabled it and all, but it does not seem to work
[18:30] <ctx> darth-frog, ah, yeah, i meant it, thx alot @all, i will try intrepid, if it qorks bad, i could use hardy for then
[18:38] <ctx> another question: there are still some programs and drivers which won't work on 64bit, right?
[18:39] <Ubuntu1>  I upgraded from ubuntu8.04 to 8.1, after upgrading i am connected to router wirelessly but cannot browse. please if any body could help
[18:39] <Wavesonics> ah, thats a good question, i was planning on Ubuntu Server 64bit, are there any major apps that won't work?
[18:42] <Ubuntu1> Is there any solution to my problem?
[18:49] <emma_goldstein> there's no services-tab in my bluetooth-applet - any idea how to recover the services-tab ? bluetooth-services are up and functional.
[18:55] <Rafik> hello, I just upgraded, restarted, sound is gone
[18:55] <Rafik> (i'm updating my intrepid install daily)
[18:58] <Rafik> test sound with "ALI 5451 ALI 5451 (ALSA)" returns an error : audiotestsrc wave=sine freq=512 ! audioconvert ! audioresample ! gconfaudiosink profile=music: Could not open audio device for playback.
[19:10] <Naisenu> Hi ... installing Ibex 64 bit on a 160GB SATA2 drive ... trying to leave an approx 80GB FAT32 portion at the front to install Windows on and just install Ubuntu for now ... Already tried to install it ... finished the install ... rebooted the computer (no CD in drive) & it just sits there apparently unable to find the new OS it just installed ...What am I doing wrong?
[19:10] <Naisenu> (the remaining 80GB was split 77GB for / and 3GB swap)
[19:17] <mnemoc> hi, how should I tell intrepid my keyboard layout?
[19:18] <Rafik> my problem is #274995
[19:20] <bofh80> anyone else had their sound volume lowered? with everything maxed out my volume is at about 70% of normal at max for some reason
[19:21] <Naisenu> mine isn't installed yet & speakers still unplugged :P
[19:21] <bofh80> Naisenu, what version of windows are you going to run?
[19:22] <Naisenu> 64-bit Ibex
[19:22] <bofh80> Naisenu, really, you should install windows first, then ubuntu. will save a lot of messing about
[19:22] <bofh80> Naisenu, i think you should read my question again :P
[19:22] <Naisenu> i don't have a 64-bit CD of Windows yet
[19:22] <Naisenu> bah ... Windows when i can get it ... Ultimate 64-bit
[19:22] <indigo23> Is there a free Cpanel Interface out there for hosting multiple websites? I need something where i can create user accounts so that my webdesigners can create sites and test them.
[19:22] <Naisenu> Vista too :P
[19:23] <jyro> The updates this morning killed my gnome-settings-daemon.  Anyone else have this program?
[19:23] <bofh80> Naisenu, ah i c. well that's going to cause you a bit of annoyance doing it that way i think......did you partition the disk manually then? did you mark the boot partition?
[19:24] <Naisenu> yes manual partition
[19:24] <bofh80> jyro, i believe the same updates have screwed something up with my gnome panel. because of my dual monitors, apart from that . . .
[19:24] <Naisenu> hrm it didn't ask for a boot partition
[19:24] <emma_goldstein> jyro:  have a look at .xsession-errors
[19:24] <bofh80> Naisenu, no because when you do it manually it assumes you know what your doing :)
[19:25] <Naisenu> there was no option for it i don't think
[19:25] <Naisenu> hold on and let me get to that point on the install again
[19:25] <bofh80> Naisenu, are you running on the live cd at the moment?
[19:25] <bofh80> Naisenu, you can just run sudo gparted
[19:25] <Naisenu> IRC is on my Eee
[19:25] <Naisenu> but the Ubuntu machine is right beside me
[19:25] <emma_goldstein> jyro:  i had to delete the videoeffects-library - it's an unresolved bug since yesterday
[19:26] <emma_goldstein> jyro: after this gnome-settings-daemon will run again
[19:27] <Naisenu> grr do i want the mount point as / or /boot?
[19:28] <Naisenu> currently it's 79999MB fat32 for windows, 76996 ext3 for /, 3002MB for swap
[19:30] <tarheelcoxn> jyro: did you understand what emma_goldstein suggested?
[19:30] <tarheelcoxn> because I didn't
[19:30] <tarheelcoxn> jyro: I'm having the same problem
[19:31] <joaopinto> hi, is anyone tested today's desktop amd64 iso image ?
[19:32] <Naisenu> i will be using the 64-bit if it works
[19:32] <jyro> tarheelcoxn: no i didn't.  im trying to figure it out, but no luck so far.
[19:32] <joaopinto> I had the most terrible experience with this install
[19:33] <joaopinto> let me check the md5sum first, I hope I have a broken image :P
[19:34] <Naisenu> is marking a partition as /boot gonna make the partition bootable?
[19:34] <joaopinto> Naisenu, setting the partition bootable is a flag, something you can manage with fdisk
[19:35] <Naisenu> i'm in the install section ... i don't have a terminal
[19:35] <tarheelcoxn> I'm also getting this:
[19:35] <tarheelcoxn> ERROR: Caught a segmentation fault while loading plugin file:
[19:35] <tarheelcoxn> /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstlibvisual.so
[19:35] <Naisenu> my choices are limited to / /boot /home /tmp /usr /var /srv /opt and /usr/local
[19:37] <untiled> hi, anyone can halp me installing nvidia's drivers?
[19:37] <Naisenu> meh screw it ... not like there's any data to lose on the 160GB and the worst that happens is i go round and round in circles trying to install this
[19:38] <tarheelcoxn> if I just had a bug to reference I'm sure I could figure this out
[19:39] <Naisenu> except it won't let me do that
[19:39] <joaopinto> after install intrepid, X starts fine, but, 1) my mouse does not work, 2) the keyboard does not work, 3) network does not work
[19:40] <joaopinto> it seems to be related to a warning message during the kernel modules loading
[19:40] <joaopinto> any suggestions ?
[19:41] <Naisenu> okay so with no fdisk how do i tell this stupid thing where the bootable section is?
[19:41] <cypherdelic> Help! The last kernel update broke my gnome-session-daemon, it replaced system files. No update since then seems to fix it, does anybody know a solution?
[19:44] <cypherdelic> Help: Gnome-Session-Daemon not running. http://paste.ubuntu.com/61126/
[19:44] <tag> Does Intrepid have a fix for the behavior of swing apps on a compiz desktop?
[19:45] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: 14:25:57 < emma_goldstein> jyro:  i had to delete the videoeffects-library - it's an unresolved bug since yesterday
[19:45] <tarheelcoxn> 14:26:23 < emma_goldstein> jyro: after this gnome-settings-daemon will run again
[19:45] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: I'm still trying to figure out what she meant
[19:46] <joaopinto> what is the appropriate channel for support on analyzing an unusable system with intrepid, I mean, mouse, keyboard and network unavailable
[19:46] <joaopinto> ?
[19:46] <mnemoc> hi, my keyboard is german, I live in spain and I use LANG=en_GB in terminals... I updated from a xubuntu 8.04. How can I tell intrepid to use 'de' layout and not 'es'?
[19:47] <ibkanat> is there a place to go to see if a bug is being worked on for 8.10 ?
[19:47] <ibkanat> gspca isnt working on 64
[19:47] <ibkanat> for 8.10
[19:47] <tarheelcoxn> ibkanat: launchpad.net
[19:48] <tarheelcoxn> joaopinto: this is the right place, but nobody here right now seems to know how to answer your question
[19:48] <tarheelcoxn> joaopinto: what kind of keyboard/mouse? tell us more about your system
[19:48] <ibkanat> thanks
[19:48] <cypherdelic> Help! Pidgin is dead http://paste.ubuntu.com/61127/
[19:48] <joaopinto> tarheelcoxn, first, they all work fine during the installer/live cd session
[19:48] <joaopinto> they also work fine on hardy
[19:48] <DarthFrog> Bizarre.  Firefox won't use my DNS settings now.
[19:49] <DarthFrog> DNS is working, I can browse in Konqueror.
[19:49] <joaopinto> I am also having an error when trying to setup the network, reporting an unknown protocol, so I believe all the problems are related to kernel modules not beeing properly loaded
[19:49] <joaopinto> the kbd workes fine on the console, not on X
[19:49] <DarthFrog> Firefox will load web sites by IP address but not by name.
[19:49] <DarthFrog> Anyone have any idea what might the issue be?
[19:49] <joaopinto> I have a regular PS2 keyboard, and an USB mouse
[19:50] <ibkanat> is the kernel final already for 8.10?
[19:51] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: run this in a terminal: gnome-settings-daemon --debug --no-daemon
[19:51] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: see what error you get
[19:51] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: I"m betting it barfs on the same plugin that pidgin barfs on
[19:51] <scientus>  synaptic and update manger crash when i launch them
[19:52] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: sudo mv /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstlibvisual.so /root
[19:52] <PA-Carry> anyone here know how to start the swat program?
[19:52] <scientus> i purged and reinstaled them too
[19:52] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: then see if things work
[19:53] <DarthFrog> PA-Carry: SWAT is a web tool.  It is at port 901, I think.
[19:53] <DarthFrog> PA-Carry: i.e. browse to "localhost:901"
[19:53] <PA-Carry> yes... I have tried to go to that port, but the browser says it is not available
[19:53] <PA-Carry> I use the computer name and port 901
[19:53] <DarthFrog> PA-Carry: Is Apache running?
[19:54] <PA-Carry> not sure how to find that out
[19:54] <DarthFrog> PA-Carry: Merely brows to "localhost".
[19:55] <PA-Carry> browser says it can't establish a connection to the server
[19:55] <cypherdelic> Thanks that workaround did work!
[19:56] <DarthFrog> PA-Carry: Then Apache isn't running.
[19:56] <cypherdelic> On wDo i need to undo the workaround when it will be fixed??
[19:56] <cypherdelic> tarheelcoxn:
[19:58] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: yes?
[19:59] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: I still haven't found a bug in launchpad
[19:59] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: when you find a bug in lauchpad that relates to this, subscribe to it
[19:59] <tarheelcoxn> cypherdelic: that way you'll know when a fix is released and what you need to do
[20:02] <cypherdelic> ill be back here if that workaround causes any trouble for the futeralfix
[20:03] <adz21c> hi, I don't seem to have any sound, it did come back at one point, but dissappeared shortly after. When running alsamixer I get the following "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory". Anyone have any ideas how to solve this?
[20:08] <omegamormegil> I am having a recurring problem running firefox.  I'll be browsing (just happening scrolling through google search results, nothing intensive) and my processor usage jumps to 100%, and everything becomes unresponsive for 5 seconds.  I already did a wipe and reinstall of intrepid, but this is still happening.  Anyone else seeing this?
[20:14] <Naisenu> well thanks for the non-help ... my two loads of laundry are folded and away now :D
[20:20] <mnemoc> If one upgrades something to ppa, how can switch back to intrepid¡s versions? (beside removing the line from sources.list
[20:20] <mnemoc> )
[20:20] <e\ectro_> is there a mediabutu version of ffmpeg for hardy that has all the codecs built into it?
[20:21] <e\ectro_> ii  ffmpeg                                     3:0.svn20080206-12ubuntu3             multimedia player, server and encoder
[20:21] <mnemoc> !ppa
[20:28] <mnemoc> is one supposed to have an /etc/init.d/scim ? or an scim process running?
[20:34] <Rafik> crimsun, I was reading bug 274995. I'm also affected and commenting the 3 lines has no effects
[20:35] <bsnider> why isn't kiba-dock in the repos
[20:37] <Chiku> rc is not released yet ?
[20:41] <bsnider> rc is scheduled for tomorrow
[20:42] <willy2> hi, i'm trying to get my officejet scanner to work xsane tells that device is busy
[20:42] <willy2> The scan backend returned the following error: Device busy
[20:43] <DarkSmoke> hello guys
[20:43] <DarkSmoke> i tried intrepid about a week ago
[20:43] <DarkSmoke> (kubuntu)
[20:43] <DarkSmoke> and after i gave it the latest updates i ended up without internet connection
[20:44] <DarkSmoke> i tried formating 2 times
[20:44] <DarkSmoke> same prob
[20:44] <DarkSmoke> has it been fixed?
[20:44] <bsnider> do you have an intel gigabit card?
[20:44] <tarheelcoxn> has what been fixed?
[20:44] <DarkSmoke> the thing that when you update intrepid you end up without connection
[20:44] <DarkSmoke> bsnider: realtek
[20:45] <DarkSmoke> i think intel re-brans the realtek once dough
[20:45] <DarkSmoke> like the realtek hd audio rebranded to intel hd audio
[20:45] <DarkSmoke> :p
[20:46] <bsnider> there are no problems if you use today's stuff. if you download an old image, such as the beta, you'll have problems
[20:46] <DarkSmoke> bsnider: but intrepid is still beta :S
[20:46] <DarkSmoke> how can't i use the beta?
[20:46] <bsnider> no it is not beta
[20:47] <bsnider> intrepid is one day away from release candidate and 90% or more of the bugs have been fixed
[20:47] <tarheelcoxn> DarkSmoke: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20081022/
[20:47] <DarkSmoke> bsnider: i day till RC still makes it beta :P
[20:48] <tarheelcoxn> DarkSmoke: thought I guess you'd want here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[20:48] <DarkSmoke> i didn't know that there where daily builds of cd images :O
[20:48] <tarheelcoxn> s/thought/though
[20:48] <tarheelcoxn> now you know
[20:48] <DarkSmoke> so i should be ok now without no probs?
[20:48] <tarheelcoxn> DarkSmoke: also, you should reference specific bugs in launchpad if possible
[20:48] <tarheelcoxn> DarkSmoke: find the bug in launchpad, see if it has been addressed
[20:48] <DarkSmoke> i prefer irc then waiting for answers on forums , more fast
[20:48] <DarkSmoke> ;p
[20:49] <sdh> the upgrade to ibex broke my middle mouse button in X and left my xorg.conf full of "# commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used" -- which is great, but doesn't explain anything about how to configure HAL to get my mouse back :)
[20:49] <tarheelcoxn> launchpad is not forums
[20:49] <DarkSmoke> yeah i know
[20:49] <bsnider> one day from release candidate doesn't make it beta
[20:49] <tarheelcoxn> DarkSmoke: launchpad is where the bug tracker lives. if it has been fixed, it's noted there
[20:49] <mnemoc> gamma :)
[20:49] <bsnider> it was beta fro one day earlier this month
[20:49] <DarkSmoke> bsnider: then was it called?
[20:49] <DarkSmoke> 90% RC ?
[20:49] <DarkSmoke> :/
[20:50] <bsnider> call it whatever you want. if you want to download the beta image go ahead. it's still available.
[20:50] <tarheelcoxn> if you want to check for yourself, get a daily build and check
[20:50] <bsnider> you'll run into all kinds of bugs that have been fixed though
[20:50] <tarheelcoxn> if you want to find out if it has fixed before checking for yourself, look in launchpad
[20:51] <DarkSmoke> is the daily-live for the live cd and and the daily for alt cd ?
[20:51] <willy2> anyone using xsane ?
[21:08] <noriyuki> hey
[21:08] <joaopinto> does it make sense to report a bug about an ATI newer video card not supported by Hardy ? Knowing it would require a driver upgrade that will not be provided at this time ?
[21:09] <noriyuki> I got a graphical problem here.... after updates "gnome-settings daemon" is failing to put the theme I had before updates I think its crashing but  im not sure? any help?
[21:10] <AaronMT> Anyone know how ot enable triple buffering
[21:10] <noam_> a quick question: has the sound-in-flash problem in kubuntu 8.10 beta been solved?
[21:10] <noriyuki> noam_ what do you mean
[21:11] <noam_> last time i checked, a few days ago, sound in flash didn't work. in kubuntu 8.10 beta
[21:11] <noam_> i'm basically waiting for it to be fixed before i migrate from windows
[21:12] <noriyuki> ummm well this is ubuntu channel not kubuntus I dont know if any of this people xould help
[21:12] <noriyuki> how ever in ubuntu 8.10 is working fine:)
[21:12] <noriyuki> but
[21:12] <noriyuki> noam_, it could be something I know
[21:12] <noriyuki> does kubuntu uses pulseaudio?
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> noriyuki: not as far as I know
[21:13] <bsnider> kde is supposed to be using phonon instead of pulseaudio
[21:14] <bsnider> but kde can use pulseaudio
[21:14] <noriyuki> mmmm got it so I cant help...
[21:14] <noriyuki> XP
[21:14] <noriyuki> hey guys
[21:14] <noriyuki> I got a graphical problem here.... after updates "gnome-settings daemon" is failing to put the theme I had before updates I think its crashing but  im not sure? any help?
[21:15] <noriyuki> JontheEchidna, bsnider , any idea....?
[21:15] <bsnider> try uding a different theme and see if there's any problem
[21:15] <noriyuki> the thing looks really easy to solve I just need someone to address me to the answe:P
[21:16] <noriyuki> bsnider, is not the theme, it is the daemon... it says before opening that there is a problem and it could be crashing with bonobo something or a kde setting
[21:17] <bsnider> you're using kde?
[21:17] <noriyuki> no
[21:17] <bsnider> there's no problem here, i fthat's any help
[21:17] <noriyuki> hahah you solved all mine then:P
[21:18] <noriyuki> its ok I will wait for the next updaate
[21:18] <noriyuki> thanks for helping!
[21:19] <jmworx> can someone tell me where networkmanager is supposed to store the system's IP address (for a static IP config)
[21:19] <jmworx> Every time I reboot the machine, it loses the network configuration.
[21:19] <bsnider> i think that bug was fixed
[21:19] <bsnider> do you have all of the updates?
[21:19] <scientus> my update manager and synaptic is completely broken and freezes on lanch
[21:19] <jmworx> bsnider: Yes, I just updated
[21:20] <scientus> even with --purge and reinstall
[21:20] <scientus> apt-get stil workds
[21:27] <AaronMT> Hey, please, can someone do me a favor and pastebin the following file /etc/acpi/video_brightnessup.sh and brightnessdown.sh?
[21:29] <bsnider> jmworx, bug 256054 is probably the one that affects you
[21:29] <jmworx> bsnider: I don't think that's the same problem
[21:29] <AaronMT> You can use pastebin.mozilla.org
[21:29] <AaronMT> I'd apprecaite it
[21:29] <jmworx> there's *nothing* written in my /etc/network/interfaces, so the problem isn't that it's being ignored
[21:30] <bsnider> jmworx, well, file a new bug then i guess
[21:30] <jmworx> bsnider: but back to my original question... where is the information *supposed* to go.
[21:31] <jmworx> It help a lot filing a bug report if you know what the correct behaviour is
[21:31] <bsnider> i've read about people complaining about this issue for months. i can't believe it isn't fixed by now, although hardly anyone uses static ip anymore
[21:32] <bsnider> i believe it's supposed to go in /et/network/interfaces
[21:32] <bsnider> that's why i think that's the bug
[21:33] <bsnider> yes, that's the file. /etc/network/interfaces
[21:33] <AaronMT> Can someone please pastebin the contents of the files I posted ^
[21:34] <bsnider> AaronMT, hold your horses
[21:35] <bsnider> first file http://paste.ubuntu.com/61194/
[21:36] <bsnider> second file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61196/
[21:37] <AaronMT> Thank you
[21:37] <arrrghhh> so intrepid is cool, but i'm having the same issues with video card installation.  it worked, but when i run nvidia-settings and try to set my video card up, i click "save to config file" and it crashes...  my old xorg.conf evidently won't work as when i first booted intrepid it said it couldn't load with my current config.
[21:37] <bsnider> arrrghhh, that's a known bug in nvidia-settings
[21:38] <arrrghhh> bsnider, any workarounds?  i run "system settings" and literally nothing happens... which is a little disturbing.
[21:38] <bsnider> arrrghhh, i'm confused about what you mean
[21:39] <mnemoc> arrrghhh: segfault most probably :p
[21:39] <mnemoc> arrrghhh: try running it from command line
[21:39] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well the old system settings in kde3 was where i set everything from user accts to display settings etc.
[21:39] <bsnider> what does system settings have to do with your graphics card?
[21:39] <bsnider> oh, you're using kde
[21:39] <bsnider> stop doing that
[21:39] <arrrghhh> bsnider, nothing, but i was hoping i could set my screen resolution from it.
[21:39] <arrrghhh> uh...
[21:40] <arrrghhh> oh i thought i went to kubuntu+1
[21:40] <arrrghhh> wth
[21:40] <bsnider> you want your resolution to be the native monitor resolution right?
[21:40] <arrrghhh> i can't use gnome.  and yes.
[21:40] <bsnider> there is no kubuntu+1
[21:40] <arrrghhh> maybe that's why i'm here lol
[21:40] <bsnider> ok, no problem
[21:40] <bsnider> the nvidia driver will automatically drive the monitor up that high. you just have to load it
[21:40] <arrrghhh> nvidia-settings is a good tool, but not if it doesn't work.
[21:41] <arrrghhh> bsnider, nvidia-xconfig?
[21:41] <bsnider> NO
[21:41] <arrrghhh> lol
[21:41] <bsnider> do NOT use that command
[21:41] <mirak> where can I find fixboot and fixmbr ?
[21:41] <arrrghhh> ok
[21:41] <bsnider> mirak, on the windows xp disc
[21:41] <arrrghhh> mirak, sounds like windows fix tools...
[21:41] <arrrghhh> yea you can boot into recovery console and run those mirak
[21:41] <mirak> no they where available on ubuntu
[21:41] <bsnider> arrrghhh, open a terminal and run the following command: dkms status
[21:41] <arrrghhh> bsnider, hold please
[21:41] <mirak> I need the linux version
[21:42] <mnemoc> cat /usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin  :)
[21:43] <bsnider> arrrghhh, if you get "built" or "added" instead of "installed, you've got an issue
[21:43] <arrrghhh> bsnider, i get two, one for 2.6.24 and one for 2.6.27.  both are "installed"
[21:44] <bsnider> good
[21:44] <bsnider> now you need a working xorg.conf
[21:44] <arrrghhh> bsnider, which i had with hardy... i still have the xorg.conf i ran with hardy.
[21:45] <bsnider> arrrghhh, that one won't work anymore
[21:45] <arrrghhh> mirak, what are you wanting to achieve?
[21:45] <bsnider> \use this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/61200/
[21:45] <arrrghhh> bsnider, lol i gathered that.
[21:45] <bsnider> after you've got that file in place, reboot. it will work
[21:45] <mirak> arrrghhh: I need to fix windows boot, and I need to do it from linux. so in the past I used fixboot, but it's not available on ubuntu anymore for copyright reasons
[21:47] <arrrghhh> mirak, i'd use the windows utilities to fix windows problems... usually a bad idea to mix that stuff.  like trying to use a windows tool to fix a linux problem, not a good idea.
[21:47] <bsnider> no offense to jonathan riddell or anyone else, but if you wantt o use kde, you might consider one of the distros that specializes in it, like suse or mandriva
[21:48] <willy2> anyone use a scanner ?
[21:48] <mirak> arrrghhh: so you are just wrong, I already used it, it works fine
[21:48] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well i really do like ubuntu.  suse gave me a bad taste and mandriva i haven't used in a looooong time.  kde runs great w/ubuntu, it just seems to get a lot less polishing and attention than the gnome counterpart.
[21:48] <arrrghhh> mirak, i didn't say it's impossible just a bad idea.  sheesh.
[21:49] <bsnider> well of course because ubuntu's specialty is gnome
[21:49] <willy2> sc
[21:49] <arrrghhh> yea.... and i... don't like gnome.
[21:49] <zyrorl_> anyone else having issues with gnome-settings-daemon crashing since the last update?
[21:49] <mirak> arrrghhh: since it works fine, it's not
[21:49] <zyrorl_> it wont stay up
[21:49] <zyrorl_> starts up then dies
[21:49] <mirak> I just need to find it since it's not shipped with ubuntu anymore
[21:49] <zyrorl_> so none of my themes work, and volume control applet is fubar
[21:50] <arrrghhh> mirak, whatever.  i'm just telling you how things work and what's a good idea and what's not.  have you tried google?  it's an amazing tool.
[21:52] <zyrorl_> mm looks like other ppl on forums have the same issue
[21:52] <mirak> arrrghhh: yes, but I can't find yet the upstream website
[21:53] <bsnider> zyrorl, there was someone in here earlier complaining about it
[21:55] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well that's not exactly what i wanted for a configuration but we'll see...
[21:57] <Nickname_> haffi__
[22:00] <arrrghhh> well imma try it.  brb
[22:00] <zyrorl_> bsnider,  yeah there seems to be a workaround for it something in libvisual broke in the last break
[22:00] <zyrorl_> i ran: sudo mv /usr/lib/libvisual-0.4/actor/actor_nastyfft.so /usr/lib/libvisual-0.4/actor/actor_nastyfft.so.FIXME
[22:00] <zyrorl_> and it fixed it
[22:00] <zyrorl_> stopped gnome-settings-daemon crashing at least
[22:01] <lubosz> hi
[22:01] <lubosz> i ran a configure script and got "error: Couldn't compile moc output"
[22:01] <lubosz> google does not seem to give good info on that
[22:01] <lubosz> any advice?
[22:05] <lubosz> checking for Qt4 libraries >= 4.1.1... found
[22:06] <lubosz> checking for functionnal Qt setup... nope
[22:06] <lubosz> configure: error: Couldn't compile moc output
[22:09] <chuxxsss> hi all I having a problem now with with flash player can't get it to work as there is no 64 bit linux one on the adobe site any help would be need
[22:12] <chuxxsss> think I fix it must be getting old
[22:13] <tMish> Which option to 'apt-get install' let me install but skip the configuration step ?
[22:15] <lubosz> tMish: only download the debs?? y?
[22:16] <jmworx> bsnider: apparently, it's the "Auto eth0" that's causing problem
[22:17] <jmworx> I'm not yet sure whether it's actually a bug or a case of really bad interface
[22:17] <jmworx> Of course, the fact that the config tools change with every Ubuntu release doesn't help either
[22:19] <arrrghhh> bsnider, yea that broke X.  defaulted back to an even lower resolution.
[22:21] <bsnider> arrthen you've likely got the wrong driver
[22:21] <bsnider> which nvidia card is it?
[22:24] <bsnider> the 173 should be used for geforce 5k cards. anything newer should use 177. anything older than the geforce 5k won't work
[22:24] <arrrghhh> bsnider, okie so i'm back to where i was.  nvidia-settings does segfault when i try to save config settings.  i'm using 177, i have an 8600gt.
[22:25] <bsnider> check dmesg to see why the driver isn't being loaded
[22:28] <arrrghhh> i would think the driver is being loaded...  nvidia-settings works up until i hit save config settings.
[22:28] <arrrghhh> i wouldn't think nvidia-settings would run at all (at least with any functionality) if the nvidia driver was not being loaded.
[22:29] <bsnider> it's being loaded but hte monitor is at the wrong resolution?
[22:29] <bsnider> that's hard to believe
[22:30] <arrrghhh> well it's at 1024x768.  full resolution is 1280x1024.  i can pick higher resolutions, but not that one.  my second screen (an hd lcd) detects the proper resolution when i enable it, but i can't save the settings w/o the program segfaulting.
[22:30] <bsnider> what kind of crummy monitor is this?
[22:31] <arrrghhh> a crummy dell.
[22:31] <bsnider> you'll have to hack the xorg.conf file manually
[22:31] <bsnider> there's no other way
[22:32] <arrrghhh> i don't get why my old xorg.conf doesn't work?
[22:32] <bsnider> because the new x server doesn't need it anymore
[22:32] <arrrghhh> i had it setup perfect.  took me a while (including custom hacking)
[22:32] <bsnider> unless you're loading a proprietary driver
[22:32] <arrrghhh> so what configures it?
[22:32] <arrrghhh> oh
[22:32] <arrrghhh> well... that still doesn't make sense why it won't work.
[22:33] <bsnider> nothing configures it
[22:33] <bsnider> it isn't supposed to exist
[22:33] <arrrghhh> now you're just confusing me further.  how does xorg get its configuration if it's not supposed to exist?
[22:34] <bsnider> those settings have been moved elsewhere
[22:34] <bsnider> the only reason to use it is if you're using the nvidia driver or fglrx. in other words, a driver that xorg doesn't support
[22:35] <arrrghhh> yea.  i know they can't support the driver since it's properitary, but still... i got this working in feisty, gutsy and hardy.
[22:36] <arrrghhh> i was hoping it would get easier... it seems to have done the opposite.
[22:37] <bsnider> your monitor is the issue here, not xorg
[22:37] <arrrghhh> it seems my video card is the issue.
[22:38] <mirak> arrrghhh: http://ms-sys.sourceforge.net/  I found it
[22:38] <bsnider> it's expected to transmit proper information, and it doesn't appear to be doing so
[22:39] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well... it is a piece of crap.  it's an old dell 17" lcd.  still, i set it up before properly i don't see why i can't do it again.  why is the nvidia-settings application segfaulting?
[22:39] <bsnider> because it is
[22:39] <bsnider> it is for everybody
[22:40] <bicchi> where can i download the iso image from the release candidate of october 23
[22:40] <arrrghhh> awesome?  it didn't used it.
[22:40] <arrrghhh> der it didn't used to.
[22:40] <arrrghhh> bicchi, ubuntu.com
[22:40] <bsnider> it isn't the 23rd yet, to my knowledge
[22:41] <bicchi> i tough on the 23 there was supposed to be a new iso image
[22:41] <arrrghhh> bicchi, oh the RC isn't out yet.
[22:41] <bicchi> when ?
[22:41] <arrrghhh> bicchi, well the 23rd on their time... which i think is pacific.  just cuz it's already the 23rd for you doesn't mean it is for the rest of the world.
[22:45] <mirak> arrrghhh: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/ms-sys/
[22:45] <alabamahit> ?
[22:45] <alabamahit> RC
[22:45] <arrrghhh> release candidate
[22:45] <jyro> Yesterday's updates messed up a lot of things for me.  My laptop can no longer sleep.  Gnome-settings-daemon won't run.  Both the power applet and sound applet no longer function.
[22:46] <samuel> Can anyone advise me how to debug a dhcp issue - I have a dhcp server running, I think it is configured correctly. My network card is in 'master' mode and the windows laptop can see the network. However, it won't connect. There doesn't seem to be any output in syslog about why it is failing!
[22:46] <jyro> Has anyone else had similar difficulties after the latest updates?
[22:46] <arrrghhh> mirak, what is that?
[22:46] <alabamahit> thought it was due 30th?
[22:46] <arrrghhh> alabamahit, the final version.  there's many versions prior to "final release"
[22:47] <arrrghhh> the ubuntu site has a roadmap talking about the different versions and what their goals are.
[22:47] <mirak> arrrghhh: that fixboot and fixmbr for linux
[22:48] <arrrghhh> mirak, you were the one looking for it not me lol.  glad you found it, hope ya don't break your windoze install?
[22:48] <arrrghhh> ! not ? lol
[22:48] <arrrghhh> you wouldn't ubottu
[22:48] <mirak> arrrghhh: well it's already broken, it can't be worse I think
[22:48] <arrrghhh> mirak, assuming all your data is intact it can get a lot worse.
[22:49] <mirak> arrrghhh: I have no valuable data on windows
[22:49] <mirak> it's just a gaming OS
[22:49] <arrrghhh> ditto.
[22:49] <alabamahit> i got windows on a different hard drive lol
[22:49] <arrrghhh> ditto!
[22:50] <arrrghhh> i scraped up an old 40gb hdd to put it on haha
[22:50] <alabamahit> mirak: if your doing that....Unhook your HD with winblows on it.
[22:50] <alabamahit> If its vista at least
[22:50] <alabamahit> it will crash vista boot
[22:50] <ret> i have a semi-serious issue with gnome-terminal and certain fonts.
[22:51] <arrrghhh> ret, use fonts that work?
[22:51] <ret> my irc client, atleast -- doesn't attempt to show timestamps until i hit an enter key, or certain user input/output.
[22:51] <mirak> alabamahit: well since you must specify a linux block device it's ok. If I was running the fixboot of windows I would unplug my linux drive
[22:51] <ret> or sometimes it doesn't until i grab the screen, et al.
[22:51] <ret> is this a common problem?
[22:51] <ret> arrrghhh: erm, why wouldn't all fonts work properly?
[22:51] <mirak> alabamahit: I have it on another drive too, that's less shit to deal with
[22:52] <samuel> DHCP debug anyone?
[22:52] <alabamahit> mirak: just saying cause i have done it...Even on Different hard drives. I installed this install of Linux, and my Vista Crash...
[22:52] <arrrghhh> ret, beats the heck outta me.  i've never even changed the font lol.
[22:52] <alabamahit> mirak: very true all i ahve to do is hit into my boot menu on restart and select the winblows hard drive if i need to run it.
[22:52] <mirak> alabamahit: well I installed intrepid, and my windows on the other drive died, I don't know why
[22:53] <arrrghhh> !ask | samuel
[22:53] <alabamahit> mirak: thats what im saying, lol
[22:53] <PC-Ente> huhu
[22:53] <mirak> alabamahit: I have at least a chainload in grub to boot directly on windows drive
[22:53] <PC-Ente> on witch kernel is the latest ubuntu kernel
[22:53] <PC-Ente> is it 2.6.27.2 ?
[22:53] <ret> most fonts have similar behavior.
[22:53] <ret> i think its more of a gnome-term prob.
[22:53] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, 2.6.27-7
[22:53] <alabamahit> mirak:  i did the same thing...installed Ubuntu on 500 gigHD and had Vista on a 200gigHD and Vista died lol
[22:54] <PC-Ente> arrrghhh, year but is the sorce of the ubuntu kernel the one from 2.6.27.2 or an older one ?
[22:54] <arrrghhh> alabamahit, which did you install first?
[22:54] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, i don't understand the question.  they use 2.6.27-7
[22:54] <alabamahit> vista was already installed...thats why it did what it did
[22:54] <PC-Ente> is 2.6.27-7 based on 26.27.2 i wana know
[22:54] <arrrghhh> the kernel freeze is already past to this should be the final one.
[22:54] <mirak> ok
[22:54] <mirak> now I will reboot
[22:54] <mirak> bye
[22:54] <mirak> adios !!
[22:55] <alabamahit> later
[22:55] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, well they're all "based" on eachother.  they are improvements.  2.6 forked from 2.4... i dunno what you are asking.
[22:55] <samuel> I am struggling with a dhcp server that doesn't seem to give out addresses. I can't be sure where it is failing because after it has started up it doesn't seem to dump _any_ more messages in syslog.
[22:55] <PC-Ente> okay there is the offical kernel source from kernel.org
[22:55] <PC-Ente> http://kernel.org/
[22:55] <alabamahit> is there a way to get a menu to choose what OS to boot? without me haveing to press F10 on boot to go into Vista?
[22:55] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, yes
[22:55] <PC-Ente> latest stable version is 2.6.27.2
[22:55] <bsnider> it isn't much of a dhcp server then
[22:55] <PC-Ente> my ubuntu kernel is 2.6.27-7
[22:55] <alabamahit> Note: if i dotn press anything it boots straight into Linux
[22:56] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, maybe they're using a git kernal, i dunno.  i think there's an ubuntu-kernel?
[22:56] <PC-Ente> is this kernel based on the source fom 2.6.27.2 the lates kernel.org realase or is it an ubunut-own kernel thats maybe just based on 2.6.27 relese
[22:57] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, there's an ubuntu-server channel i know for sure.  i don't know if there's a specific kernel channel or not.
[22:57] <PC-Ente> dont talking about channels
[22:58] <PC-Ente> but doesnt matter i build the 2.6.27.2 kernel fom source and see how it works, because ther sould be some fixes in it that fixes problems on my Laptop
[22:58] <ret> has anyone had font problems?
[22:58] <arrrghhh> PC-Ente, i think there's a language barrier... i don't know how to answer your question and i'm by no means a kernel expert.
[22:59] <ret> hmm, the 'fixed' font works.
[23:00] <ret> actually, rather well, but its just not the font i'd want for a terminal in every terminal.
[23:01] <alabamahit> is there a way to get a menu to choose what OS to boot? without me haveing to press F10 on boot to go into Vista?
[23:01] <zyrorl> alabamahit yes
[23:01] <zyrorl> grub
[23:02] <alabamahit> ...how lol
[23:02] <zyrorl> if you google it you'll find it
[23:02] <zyrorl> http://www.google.com/url?sa=U&start=3&q=http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622&usg=AFQjCNED0LWnt4hB8u9z796Ktc0Oulcfrw
[23:02] <zyrorl> at a glance
[23:03] <PC-Ente> so one time again
[23:03] <alabamahit> zyrorl, thanks :)
[23:03] <PC-Ente> Is the ubuntu kernel 2.6.27-7 based on the lates kernel.org release 2.6.27.2 ?
[23:07] <justizin> PC-Ente: typically that is implied by that sort of versioning scheme.  -7 should indicate 7, or maybe 8, packagings of the same upstream version.
[23:10] <lfaraone> !flash
[23:11] <lfaraone> !adobeflash
[23:11] <chuxxsss> thank
[23:13] <chuxxsss> look who ever did the work with firefox thank you its gr8
[23:14] <chuxxsss> flash is fixed
[23:14] <chuxxsss> used gnash
[23:17] <chuxxsss> you need to set gnash up for end uses to use for 64 version
[23:28] <Daemonik> Where can I get OpenOffice.org 3 for Ubuntu 8.04 amd64?
[23:30] <bsnider> Daemonik, https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive
[23:32] <samuel> I have an access point here that seems to think it is WPA2 encrypted - but I haven't set it up to be :S ANy ideas?
[23:33] <samuel> I used wlanconfig ath0 create wlandev wifi0 wlanmode ap
[23:33] <samuel> to make the vap and then set the essid with iwconfig - didn't do any WPA2 stuff...
[23:35] <coppro> I think NetworkManager is breaking my wireless
[23:36] <coppro> as soon as I disabled it, I could connect :/
[23:38] <Daemonik> bsnider, Thank you
[23:42] <arrrghhh> bsnider, so u think u can look @ my old xorg.conf and see why it isn't working?  i can't seem to configure it myself & have it functioning.
[23:43] <bsnider> guglhggggg
[23:43] <bsnider> ok
[23:43] <bsnider> i reluctantly agree
[23:43] <arrrghhh> lol
[23:43] <bsnider> i love being an unpaid nvidia support rep
[23:43] <coppro> anyone know why networkmanager sucks again?
[23:44] <bsnider> it;s a great deal for nvidia
[23:44] <arrrghhh> bsnider, well nvidia won't help ha!
[23:45] <bsnider> yes but they should. it's their driver
[23:46] <arrrghhh> yea... and it sucks.  i wish there was an open-source version of their driver.
[23:46] <arrrghhh> makes me want an ati... i mean amd card.
[23:46] <coppro> that isn't much better...
[23:46] <bsnider> all the open source graphics drives are even worse
[23:46] <DarthFrog> Has anyone else had Firefox not using DNS since doing a dist-upgrade today?  Firefox will load sites by IP address but can't find them by name.  Konqueror works fine. DNS is working.
[23:46] <arrrghhh> yea but hopefully it will.  and from what i've heard intrepid deals with ati cards better than nvidia.
[23:47] <arrrghhh> DarthFrog, works fine for me.
[23:48] <DarthFrog> arrrghhh: Hmm.  Wonder why I'm special? :-)
[23:48] <bsnider> wrong. intrepid doesn't deal with ati cards better than nvidia
[23:48] <DarthFrog> Chatzilla can't do DNS, either.
[23:48] <coppro> DarthFrog: works fine for me
[23:48] <arrrghhh> bsnider, just from what i've heard with peoples & experiences with upgraging to inrepid.
[23:49] <arrrghhh> DarthFrog, do you have a custom config for firefox maybe?
[23:49] <arrrghhh> DarthFrog, try blasting out your profile.
[23:49] <coppro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=758356
[23:49] <coppro> DarthFrog: try that
[23:50] <arrrghhh> DarthFrog, yea disable ipv6 and put opendns into your router.  both very good suggestiongs.
[23:50] <arrrghhh> der.  suggestions.
[23:52] <DarthFrog> arrrghhh: What does blasting out your profile mean?  I've already disabled IPv6 DNS.
[23:53] <coppro> DarthFrog: remove the profile files
[23:53] <coppro> (I would suggest just backing up and seeing if it works first)
[23:53] <coppro> also, try safe mode
[23:54] <arrrghhh> ~/.mozilla/ is where your profile lies.  firefox website has some great instructions related to that.
[23:54] <bsnider> arrrghhh, the fglrx driver didn't work at all until canonical obtained a pre-release of catalyst 8.11 last week
[23:55] <arrrghhh> bsnider, okie?
[23:55] <coppro> fglrx is stupid
[23:55] <bsnider> the nvidia driver worked from the start
[23:55] <arrrghhh> like i said i had this setup perfectly in feisty, gutsy and hardy.
[23:55] <bsnider> were you going to show me the xorg.conf file?
[23:56] <bsnider> i don't see it
[23:56] <arrrghhh> oh!  sure 1 sec
[23:57] <arrrghhh> http://pastebin.com/db3849fc  thanks bsnider
[23:58] <alabamahit> Hey, i just looks at my Grub..
[23:58] <alabamahit> i have 2 kernels.......
[23:58] <DarthFrog> arrrghhh: "blasting" out my profile (i.e. renaming ~/.mozilla) didn't work. :-(
[23:58] <alabamahit> 2.6.27-7-generic and 2.6.27-4-generic
[23:58] <alabamahit> do i need to remove the old one?
[23:59] <arrrghhh> DarthFrog, well that's not exactly how you blast out your profile.  so you have opendns in your router and ipv6 is turned off in about:config?
[23:59] <arrrghhh> alabamahit, you can remove the old one from /boot/grub/menu.lst if you wish.
[23:59] <Puppy> My installer is hanging trying to detect my raid drives, any ideas anyone ?
[23:59] <alabamahit> arrrghhh: does that remove it from my system?