[00:02] <evand> 17:41:47 < cjwatson> evand: something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/60697/ maybe?
[00:02] <evand> kirkland: ^ apply that to /lib/partman/fstab.d/hostboot
[00:02] <evand> and see if it still hangs
[00:03] <evand> before you hit partman in d-i, that is
[00:03] <evand> gotta run out again, unfortunately.  Back in a little bit.
[00:41] <kirkland> evand: that pastebin patch didn't work as is
[00:41] <kirkland> evand: i'm looking at it a bit more
[00:46] <kirkland> cjwatson: ^
[00:47] <cjwatson> how did it fail?
[00:47] <cjwatson> it certainly shouldn't have been in the same way
[00:47] <cjwatson> although I can believe that it is busted somehow, it was totally untested
[00:47] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm reading the patch, and I don't quite get it...
[00:48] <kirkland> cjwatson: so this "loop" file shows up
[00:49] <cjwatson> yes, that indicates that the device is a loop-mount
[00:49] <cjwatson> it's set by autopartition-loop
[00:50] <kirkland> cjwatson: hmm, okay, so the situation i'm hitting is: /boot on a raid1 of 2 disks, and / on a raid5 of 3 disks
[00:51] <kirkland> cjwatson: that's sort of my setup on a few servers, seems reasonable
[00:51] <cjwatson> are you actually using wubi?
[00:51] <kirkland> cjwatson: when doing so, installer "hangs", with several instances of 07root_on_raid
[00:52] <kirkland> cjwatson: looking at 07root_on_raid's code, running "ext3" seems to hang
[00:52] <kirkland> cjwatson: i've never run wubi in my life
[00:52] <kirkland> i'm wonder if we've gotten our bugs crossed........
[00:53] <kirkland> cjwatson: i got the impression from evand and yourself that hostboot farkage might be at the root of this problem
[00:55] <cjwatson> if you get a hang on open_infifo, it's because something fucked up the parted_server communication
[00:55] <cjwatson> it could be basically anything that ran just before it
[00:56] <cjwatson> it's like a malloc failure, manifesting after the actual cause
[00:56] <cjwatson> we need to see the partman log again from after you applied that patch
[00:56] <cjwatson> syslog wouldn't hurt either, just in case some shell script died in the middle
[00:57] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.com/f7500f9d6
[00:57] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.com/f70d3af56
[00:58] <kirkland> cjwatson: i inadvertentantly left off DEBCONF_DEBUG=developer
[00:58] <kirkland> :-/
[01:01] <cjwatson> http://pastebin.com/f70d3af56 breaks. try paste.ubuntu.com please?
[01:01] <cjwatson> "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 8388608 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 1154191 bytes) in /home/pastebin/lib/geshi/geshi.php on line 2474"
[01:02] <kirkland> cjwatson: shite, okay
[01:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/60747/
[01:03] <kirkland> cjwatson: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/60748/
[01:16] <cjwatson> kirkland: hmm, still hostboot - you sure you applied that patch?
[01:17] <cjwatson> kirkland: and can you see what's happening in ps output?
[01:17] <NCommander> Have there been any recent installation reports with grub failing to install ?
[01:18] <NCommander> (alternate i386)
[01:18] <cjwatson> kirkland: I'm fading fast, going to have to come back to this in the morning
[01:45] <kirkland> cjwatson: sorry, family obligations here on my end
[01:45] <kirkland> cjwatson: let's revisit tomorrow
[01:47] <kirkland> cjwatson: the hostboot: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/60765/
[01:47] <kirkland> cjwatson: ps -ef > http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/60766/
[05:24] <StevenK> It appears I can't run partman under Ubiquity with --automatic and debugging, since it dies with an AssertionError
[05:25] <evand> StevenK: it should work fine as that's the debug-ubiquity kernel command line argument.  What's the assertion error?
[05:26] <StevenK> assert self.extra_choice is not None
[05:26] <StevenK> ubiquity/components/partman.py:422
[05:26]  * evand raises an eyebrow
[05:27] <evand> and this only happens with both --debug and --automatic enabled?
[05:28] <evand> if that's the case I suspect there is some very bad interaction in debconf land.
[05:28] <StevenK> So it seems. I can copy the debug log out of the way and then try with just --automatic if you wish
[05:28] <evand> you shouldn't need to move the debug log, but give it a try with just automatic (on a fresh debconf db)
[05:29]  * StevenK has forgotten how to wipe debconf's database
[05:30] <persia> StevenK, You don't want to wipe completely, or you lose the preseeding.  Maybe reboot?
[05:31] <StevenK> Then I lose the debug log
[05:31] <evand> indeed, I don't know of any way to revert to the intial state short of keeping a copy of /var/cache/debconf/config.dat handy.
[05:32]  * StevenK scp's off the log
[05:33] <persia> StevenK, You probably want /var/log/partman and /var/log/syslog to go with that.
[05:51] <StevenK> evand: Right, it doesn't break with 'ubiquity --automatic' but it does ask the question
[05:53] <persia> StevenK, Same initial setup, partman breaks with -d and --automatic isn't skipping a question (but you can't get to that question with debug)?
[05:53] <StevenK> persia: Suprisingly, it did skip the username question
[05:54] <persia> Which question is it asking when you say "it does ask the question"?
[05:54]  * StevenK reboots, and tries it from the icon
[05:54] <StevenK> persia: How to partition the hard disk
[05:54] <evand> hrm, perhaps it's a red herring.  Do the logs show anything interesting?  Perhaps partman bailed out?
[05:54] <StevenK> evand: I doubt it bailed, it says it ready to install
[05:55] <evand> hrm
[05:55] <StevenK> sda1 -> ext3, sda5 -> swap
[05:55] <StevenK> Looks like guided to me
[05:57] <persia> StevenK, Did it perhaps bail the time it didn't work?
[05:57] <StevenK> evand: Shall I quit, capture logs, and then try with --debug --automatic again?
[05:59] <evand> sure, can I see the logs? syslog, debug and partman, that is.
[06:01] <StevenK> I have the earlier debug ones, too
[06:06] <evand> ok
[06:09] <StevenK> evand: http://people.ubuntu.com/~stevenk/ubi/
[06:09]  * StevenK stares at his laptop.
[06:15] <evand> nothing is jumping out at me, but I'm still looking over the logs
[06:16] <persia> There's a *big* difference in the partman logs there, although the initial conditions look similar.  Did partman give you a useful error of any sort with --debug --automatic?
[06:17] <StevenK> An assertion error, which is in the logs
[06:17] <StevenK> evand: In the --debug --automatic logs, I hit the "I don't care, do it again" button, so the error is probably duplicated
[06:18] <evand> ah, ok
[06:18] <evand> can you pastebin your preseed file?
[06:20] <StevenK> evand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/60852/
[06:21] <evand> Oct 22 04:13:31 debconf (filter): <-- INPUT critical partman-auto/init_automatically_partition
[06:21] <evand> debconf (developer): <-- METAGET partman-auto/init_automatically_partition Type
[06:21] <evand> debconf (developer): --> 1 select
[06:21] <evand> debconf (developer): <-- FGET partman-auto/init_automatically_partition seen
[06:21] <evand> debconf (developer): --> 0 true
[06:21] <evand> Oct 22 04:13:31 debconf (filter): --> 30 question skipped
[06:21] <evand> I wonder why that's happening again, given that Colin fixed this (bug 182004)
[06:22] <evand> might also be a red herring
[06:22]  * evand digs further
[06:34] <evand> and curiously I cannot reproduce it here, given your preseed file
[06:34] <evand> hrm
[07:24] <evand> I'll pick back up with this in the morning.
[10:33] <davmor2> guys you know on encrypted lvm install where the system boots and asks you for a password for the drive... Is there anyway to make that font clearer?  It's quite fuzzy especially on the s's
[10:57] <xivulon> superm1 I cannot replicate the crash on vista, will try tonight using xp in vm
[10:58] <xivulon> davmor2 do you happen to have xp?
[10:59] <davmor2> testing across the board at the moment xivulon although I will be doing some wubi testing in about an hour
[11:01] <xivulon> cool, the issue reported by superm1 is that when you use wubi in xp attached to a network but without internet connection, then it crashes at the reboot screen
[11:04] <davmor2> xivulon: on what cd version
[11:04] <xivulon> I guess using latest ubuntu desktop daily
[11:05] <davmor2> okay np's I'll have a look shortly :)
[11:05] <xivulon> but in theory it should not matter, since the issue is in windows, and wubi is still rev 513
[11:16] <cjwatson> davmor2: font> looks like it's example-theme/helvB10.bdf in the usplash package
[11:17] <cjwatson> (or possibly bogl/helvB10.bdf, but they're the same)
[11:18] <davmor2> cjwatson: if you get chance have a look if you can.  The s's are worse hit
[11:18] <cjwatson> not for intrepid I think
[11:18] <cjwatson> but do file a bug
[11:19] <cjwatson> kirkland: 227848 has a release-notes task, but ISTR you were working on fixing this?
[11:19] <davmor2> I thought it wouldn't be in for intrepid.  I'll bug it after
[11:19] <cjwatson> (for intrepid)
[12:14] <davmor2> xivulon: seems okay here on kubuntu. I'll try with ubuntu in a bit though incase it is specific
[12:17] <davmor2> xivulon: is his copy of xp up-to-date?
[12:21] <xivulon> davmor2: not sure, superm1 ^
[12:22] <xivulon> you have to be connected to the router but the router must not be connected to the web (or at least so I understood)
[12:27] <davmor2> xivulon: ah hangon then I was connected to my switch but not router
[12:30] <davmor2> I'll try it like that on the next one shouldn't be too long
[12:37] <holst> is there some way to check the syntax of a debian preseed file?
[12:37] <holst> it just says "no!" withtout any hints
[12:37] <cjwatson> debconf-set-selections -c
[12:38] <cjwatson> but you may not actually have a syntactic problem
[12:40] <soren> cjwatson: Thanks for you pointer about /var/{run,lock} yesterday. http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/trunk/revision/258 is clearly the better solution.
[12:49] <cjwatson> soren: looks good
[13:13] <davmor2> xivulon: happens on xp and vista it hangs on reboot not of xp/vista but of ubutnu
[13:13] <davmor2> ubuntu even
[14:07] <xivulon> davmor2 that is then a different issue
[14:08] <xivulon> it usually depends on /etc/init.d/sendsigs or /etc/init.d/umountfs
[14:10] <xivulon> you have no hangs within windows though, correct?
[14:15] <xivulon> hmm sendsigs and umountfs look good to me
[14:16] <davmor2> xivulon: no hang in windows no
[14:26] <xivulon> davmor2, it should be possible to narrow down the issue by going to a terminal and running the scripts in /etc/rc6.d
[14:27] <davmor2> xivulon: we're bhind with testing but I might be able to tomorrow
[14:28] <xivulon> ok, will have a go myself tonight, do you see anything on script? I/O errors?
[14:28] <xivulon> s/script/screen
[14:34] <davmor2> xivulon: nothing just a flashing underscore
[14:35] <xivulon> was this in vm or real hardware?
[14:36] <davmor2> real
[14:37] <xivulon> thx will have a look
[15:27] <superm1> davmor2, xivulon this is xp sp3 that i did it on
[15:39] <xivulon> superm1 as mentioned on vista worked will, will give it another go in xp/vm, did you use a vm by the way?
[15:39] <superm1> xivulon, yeah that's the only way i have to test it is vm
[15:41] <holst> cjwatson: well, if it just stops, how can I know what is the problem?
[15:41] <holst> if its a missing package, something syntax error, or something else
[15:56] <cjwatson> holst: you need to look in the syslog
[15:56] <cjwatson> holst: put it on a pastebin and I'll be happy to have a look at it
[15:58] <kirkland> cjwatson: hey, i'm working on a writeup on encrypted private for james_w ...  I've not installed from a desktop intrepid iso in a long time ...  did setting up an encrypted private directory ever make it into the desktop installer?
[15:59] <cjwatson> kirkland: I swear I've answered this once a day for the last week :)
[15:59] <cjwatson> kirkland: no, it didn't
[15:59] <kirkland> cjwatson: :-)  not from me!
[16:11] <holst> cjwatson: ah, syslog. I will try that
[18:32] <davmor2> cjwatson: we're getting a hang at 5% on installing ubuntu dvd via ubiquity
[18:33] <evand> IIRC, that's formatting.  If you run top and sort by CPU, do you see mkfs chugging along?
[18:33] <evand> How long has it been hanging for?
[18:34] <davmor2> long enough for the screensaver to kick in so minimum of 10minutes
[18:35] <evand> can you pastebin `ps auxf`?
[18:36] <davmor2> evand: I'll re run in a second I was running cd check to make sure it was alright
[18:36] <evand> ok
[18:37] <davmor2> evand: re-running now no errors found
[18:43] <davmor2> evand: heno has just said that his vm install just started up again after 15-20 minutes or so
[18:44] <evand> started up again?  Can you elaborate on what you mean by that
[18:44] <davmor2> install continued
[18:45] <evand> ah
[18:45] <davmor2> evand: right I'm at 5% again and my hd is going like mad at the minute so I'll give it till the hd stops and and then paste the info is that okay?
[18:47] <evand> sure thing
[18:49] <davmor2> evand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61106/
[18:53] <evand> hrm
[18:54] <davmor2> it's just sat there no hd light going no dvd light going
[18:55] <davmor2> evand: I'm off for my lugmeeting soon but I'll leave it to run and see if it has installed when I get back
[18:55] <evand> ok
[18:55] <evand> davmor2: when you're about to go can you run strace -p 14115 -o ubiquity.log , let it run for a bit and then pastebin
[18:56] <evand> might be a bit large for pastebin
[18:57] <davmor2> I'll tag it to http://www.davmor2.co.uk/......     Will 4 minutes be enough?
[18:58] <davmor2> oh apparently operation is no permited
[19:00] <davmor2> got it
[19:00] <evand> need to sudo it
[19:00] <davmor2> sudo strace
[19:00] <evand> less than a minute will be fine
[19:00] <evand> indeed
[19:01] <evand> err about a minute, that is
[19:02] <davmor2> hrm it seems to be empty should that be the case?
[19:03] <evand> no
[19:04] <evand> is this still the same install as when you pastebin'ed?
[19:04] <davmor2> yeap at the same place still too
[19:05] <evand> double check that 14115 is the process ID of python /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py
[19:05] <davmor2> 14115 /usr/bin/python /usr/share/ubiquity/install.py
[19:06] <davmor2> re-running strace but I really need to go in a minute
[19:06] <evand> indeed
[19:06] <evand> don't let me keep you
[19:06] <evand> we can continue this at some other time
[19:07] <davmor2> oh it just shot up to 15%
[19:09] <davmor2> evand: http://www.davmor2.co.uk/ubiquity.log
[19:09] <davmor2> got to go now bye
[19:10] <evand> cheers
[19:10] <davmor2> 32% and still going
[21:23] <ClaesBas> Why does "do-release-upgrade -d" want  88.1M free space on /boot ?
[21:23] <ClaesBas> I only have 12M on my /boot now (8.04)!
[21:23] <cjwatson> you want mvo for that, who isn't here; try #ubuntu-devel
[21:24] <ClaesBas> OK...
[21:24] <cjwatson> either clean up some old kernels or have a less inconveniently small /boot, though :-)
[21:25] <ClaesBas> Do you think 100M /boot is to small!?
[21:25] <cjwatson> if you only have 12M left, you need the first option (clean up some old kernels)
[21:25] <cjwatson> kernels consume about 12M apiece
[21:25] <cjwatson> (when you count initrd etc.)
[21:27] <ClaesBas> I meant that my files on /boot (8.04) take 12M
[21:27] <cjwatson> oh, I see
[21:27] <cjwatson> its calculation does sound wrong then
[21:28] <ClaesBas> Is mvo a user or does it mean anything else?
[21:33] <cjwatson> ClaesBas: mvo is Michael Vogt, the author of do-release-upgrade
[21:33] <cjwatson> ClaesBas: alternatively, just file a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+filebug
[21:34] <evand> The hanging DVD situation appears to be the fault of generate_blacklist(), which makes sense as that's one area where we'd see a difference between the CDs and DVDs.
[21:34] <cjwatson> oh, so it's just slow? that would figure
[21:34] <cjwatson> is it at the dependency calculation stage, or the stage where it does dpkg -L everything?
[21:34] <evand> indeed, it seems we set out to reduce installation time and created a monster in the process :)
[21:35] <evand> not sure, I'll probe further
[21:35] <cjwatson> what we have done at least is reduce the required disk space
[21:35] <evand> ah, very true
[21:35] <cjwatson> we could back it all out; I'm insanely cautious about any optimisation on that code right now since we've already created a release notes entry requirement ...
[21:36] <cjwatson> has anyone been paying attention to ensure that it isn't removing anything it shouldn't remove any more?
[21:37] <evand> I haven't seen any new complaints, but I haven't run a test to make sure that two installs with and without the blacklist generates the same files.
[21:37] <evand> I can do that tonight though
[21:39] <cjwatson> you could also check the logged files
[21:41] <evand> actually, indeed
[21:41] <evand> watching that now
[21:42] <cjwatson> kirkland: can you confirm whether bug 227848 should be release-noted or fixed for intrepid? In the former case, could you provide some sample text?
[21:43] <kirkland> cjwatson: release noted;  we don't have time/resources for a proper fix for intrepid
[21:43] <kirkland> cjwatson: how long is such release note text, generally?
[21:44] <kirkland> cjwatson: 1 paragraph?  5 sentences or so?
[21:44] <cjwatson> kirkland: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidReleaseNotes
[21:44] <kirkland> cjwatson: thx
[21:44] <cjwatson> usually a paragraph or two is fine
[21:48] <kirkland> cjwatson: actually, I stand corrected ....
[21:49] <kirkland> cjwatson: i don't think we really have anything to release-note
[21:49] <kirkland> cjwatson: we don't really have a viable workaround for intrepid
[21:49] <cjwatson> "it's broken"? :-)
[21:49] <kirkland> cjwatson: i think the priority should be lowered from Critical to High
[21:49] <cjwatson> please do that
[21:49] <kirkland> cjwatson: oh, just a release not to note the bug?
[21:49] <cjwatson> sometimes that is worthwhile
[21:50] <kirkland> cjwatson: okay
[21:50] <cjwatson> not currently supported, even though it looks like it should be, or whatever
[21:54] <kirkland> cjwatson: i'm working with EtienneG on it....
[22:22] <CIA-1> debian-installer: cjwatson * r982 ubuntu/ (build/Makefile debian/changelog):
[22:22] <CIA-1> debian-installer: Take /usr/share/localechooser/languagelist.data.gz into account when
[22:22] <CIA-1> debian-installer: building reduced font (LP: #287668).
[22:26] <ClaesBas> cjwatson: About the /boot size problem, it looks like do-release-upgrade dowloads the file intrepid.tar.gz which does some checks in DistUpgradeController.py ... That checks calculate from what it thinks is installed, NOT what is physically on the partition!
[22:26] <cjwatson> seriously, I'm not the expert here, it's probably best not to talk to me about it :)
[22:26] <ClaesBas> I had to "remove" all old kernels from apt....
[22:26] <cjwatson> err. you removed old kernels using rm rather than by removing the package?
[22:27] <cjwatson> be sure to say that in your bug report; that's unusual practice
[22:27] <cjwatson> I agree that it ought to cope with that
[22:29] <ClaesBas> I'm going to try fill in some bug report about now...
[22:51] <superm1> evand, given a DVD was finally functional today, i grabbed it and dropped it onto a recovery partition.  has a bunch of stuff changed with partman preseeding since  the last dvd? http://paste.ubuntu.com/61230/
[22:52] <persia> Oddly, in the current -mid image, I am shown step 5 iff I don't run in debug mode.  How could I best troubleshoot this?
[22:53] <superm1> along with this preseed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/61231/
[22:54] <cjwatson> superm1: could do with syslog and partman too
[22:55] <evand> I think I know what it is
[22:55]  * evand digs
[22:56] <evand> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/intrepid-changes/2008-October/008520.html
[22:56] <evand> superm1: preseed partman/filter_mounted to false
[22:56]  * evand steps out for a few
[22:56] <superm1> evand, okay i'll try
[22:57] <evand> sorry about that.  I had intended to send a notice of new preseed options the ubuntu-installer ML
[22:57] <evand> I'm going to try to get in the habit of doing so with each new ubiquity release
[22:58] <superm1> so this is supplemental to the existing ubiquity/partman-skip-unmount boolean true  then?
[23:04] <superm1> well that at least got it further, but it's just hanging at "1%: Creating ext3 file system for / in partition #3 of SCSI1 (0,0,0) (sda) ..." now, the python process with install.py as an argument is pegging the CPU too. hum
[23:06] <evand> superm1: read up a bit, we're on it :)
[23:07] <superm1> evand, ah okay.  need any other data points for  that too then?
[23:07] <evand> oh half that conversation is in #ubuntu-release
[23:07] <evand> back in a bit
[23:08] <kirkland> cjwatson: iscsi text sent your way via email
[23:08] <cjwatson> kirkland: can you put it in the bug, please?
[23:09] <kirkland> cjwatson: yup
[23:10] <kirkland> cjwatson: done: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-iscsi/+bug/227848
[23:10] <cjwatson> thanks