| NCommander | oh | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| NCommander | er | 00:00 |
| porthose | csilk: look at man dpkg-buildpackage :) | 00:22 |
| csilk | will do | 00:22 |
| csilk | why does the latest packaged version of dh-make auto include a standards version of 3.7.3 then 2.8.0 is the current standard (according to lintian)? | 01:00 |
| csilk | *when 3.8.0 | 01:01 |
| lfaraone | james_w: ping | 01:04 |
| lfaraone | james_w: I'm getting an odd error when trying to build sugar on intrepid: | 01:04 |
| lfaraone | fakeroot debian/rules clean | 01:04 |
| lfaraone | debian/rules:15: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory | 01:04 |
| lfaraone | make: *** No rule to make target `/usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk'. Stop. | 01:04 |
| LaserJock | lfaraone: install quilt | 01:38 |
| csilk | If I'm packaging an app I got through CVS, should I remove all cvs related files form the app's directory structure before I make a .orig.tar.gzip ? | 01:52 |
| csilk | *.gz | 01:52 |
| porthose | csilk: yes:) | 02:05 |
| csilk | porthose, hi, time for another quick question? | 02:06 |
| porthose | sure | 02:06 |
| csilk | I'm packaging a new app. the app has a 'bug' which causes a compilation error udner the newer versions of GCC, upstream advise (in their install instructions) that users add 2 lines of code to the top of a C++ source file. If I do this in the package do I just note that in the changelog or is modifying the code a big no no? | 02:07 |
| csilk | porthose, ^ | 02:08 |
| porthose | hmm not sure about that one | 02:09 |
| csilk | Yeah, I'm not too sure how to proceed with this | 02:10 |
| porthose | maybe someone with more experience could help out? | 02:10 |
| csilk | hopefull | 02:10 |
| csilk | y | 02:10 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| Awsoonn | are there any known plans to release a desktop CD for the ppc? or are they only going to be given an alternitive install disc with intrepid? | 03:09 |
| csilk | is there a way to stop debuild from trying to sign a dsc file? | 03:18 |
| TheMuso | Awsoonn: There are ports disks available for PowerPC, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports | 03:18 |
| TheMuso | csilk: -uc -us | 03:18 |
| csilk | thanks | 03:19 |
| TheMuso | csilk: Welcome. | 03:19 |
| csilk | TheMuso, would you have any idea about my previous questiona few posts up? | 03:20 |
| Awsoonn | ahah! I was in the daily dir and not the daily-live, thank you for the calification | 03:20 |
| Awsoonn | :) | 03:20 |
| ScottK | csilk: You can patch it. It's strongly preferred to do that with a patch system rather than just a direct modification. | 03:28 |
| ScottK | For testing your package direct modification work fine. | 03:28 |
| csilk | ScottK, any standard patching system commonly used that you would suggest? | 03:30 |
| ScottK | Let me dig you up a link. | 03:31 |
| ScottK | csilk: There are choices. Up to you. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/PatchSystems | 03:32 |
| csilk | Thanks | 03:32 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| csilk | bug patched | 03:51 |
| csilk | brilliant | 03:51 |
| csilk | now I just gotta get the menu icons working ;) | 03:51 |
| NCommander | ScottK, so I'll be there for the entirity of UDS it seems | 03:51 |
| ScottK | Congratulations. It's a good experience. | 03:51 |
| NCommander | I'm going to be there because a professor kicked me out of his class for BS reasons | 03:53 |
| NCommander | Just confirms to me to leave on sabatical winter quarter | 03:53 |
| Hobbsee | sweet | 03:53 |
| TheMuso | NCommander: While that sounds good for UDS, thats not so good for your studies. | 03:54 |
| NCommander | The problem was the professor took issue with me helping other students in lab | 03:54 |
| NCommander | "You are a student, if someone else needs help, have them come to me" | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | wow... | 03:54 |
| NCommander | Yeah | 03:54 |
| NCommander | Its not my first time taking this class | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | oh dear | 03:54 |
| ajmitch | that's just retarded | 03:54 |
| NCommander | (I was in a car wreck the day of the final and was unable to get credit for it) | 03:54 |
| NCommander | ^the first time around | 03:55 |
| NCommander | I had a B+ then | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | car accidents aren't acceptable reasons for delaying exams there? ouch! | 03:55 |
| * ajmitch was helping students in class one semester, the next year I was paid to help tutor in the lab | 03:55 | |
| NCommander | Hobbsee, New York State finals are held very irregularly | 03:55 |
| NCommander | and I didn't pass when I retook it six months later | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | oh, right | 03:55 |
| * NCommander simply couldn't retain the skills without praticing them for that long | 03:55 | |
| NCommander | so I retook the class | 03:56 |
| NCommander | Just to get this load of ****shit | 03:56 |
| NCommander | er | 03:56 |
| NCommander | I censored the wrong part | 03:56 |
| ajmitch | heh | 03:56 |
| TheMuso | hehe | 03:56 |
| ScottK | Were these perishable skills censoring skillz? | 03:56 |
| * NCommander hits ScottK with a lawn GNOME | 03:56 | |
| ScottK | Sorry. It had to be said. | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | no, it really didn't | 03:57 |
| ajmitch | that's like leaping on the first available pun | 03:57 |
| NCommander | ajmitch, he's from the navy, they don't know better ;-) | 03:59 |
| LaserJock | TheMuso, ScottK: you guys on MOTU Release? | 03:59 |
| * NCommander runs really fast | 03:59 | |
| ajmitch | hey LaserJock | 04:00 |
| LaserJock | ajmitch: hola | 04:02 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| * NCommander sighs | 04:08 | |
| NCommander | I feel like .... I dunno | 04:08 |
| NCommander | Doing something sane | 04:08 |
| NCommander | like watching TV | 04:08 |
| txwikinger | wow.. all the dns server for my domain are down | 04:08 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Yes. | 04:08 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: I'd like to upload a bug fix to desktop-multiplier | 04:09 |
| txwikinger | ScottK: I got your message.. I will take care of it asap | 04:09 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: it's technically a bug-fix new upstream release as its closed source | 04:10 |
| LaserJock | pretty minor changes though from what I got from the author | 04:10 |
| cody-somerville | Hey LaserJock :) | 04:12 |
| LaserJock | hi cody | 04:13 |
| === fabrice_sp_ is now known as fabrice_sp | ||
| ScottK | LaserJock: If it's bug fix you can just upload it. | 04:22 |
| LaserJock | ScottK: ok, just wanted to run it by MOTU Release first, even if it's just a FYI | 04:23 |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Yes. Thanks. Sometimes we get queried by ubuntu-release, so it's helpful. | 04:24 |
| ScottK | I've heard it said that Ubuntu moves more quickly than Debian because it's more IRC centered and Debian is more ML centered. | 04:38 |
| ScottK | So last night we had a bit of a flamefest over bluetooth and its' over. | 04:39 |
| NCommander | ScottK, sounds about right | 04:39 |
| NCommander | hey persia | 04:39 |
| ScottK | The Debian ML thread on non-free firmware in the kernel show's no sign of ending. | 04:39 |
| ScottK | So I guess that's a case in point. | 04:39 |
| StevenK | On -devel? | 04:39 |
| ScottK | Yeah | 04:39 |
| StevenK | Right. Glad I'm unsubscribed | 04:40 |
| ScottK | I'm not particularly reading them anymore, but I still notice the subject when I hit delete. | 04:40 |
| StevenK | I'm waiting for -private to have a large flamewar, it's overdue | 04:40 |
| persia | ScottK, Note that Debian also has flamefests on IRC, and close coordination on IRC for some teams, but that's considered not to count. | 04:40 |
| ScottK | persia: Yes. I even participate in those sometimes. | 04:41 |
| * NCommander is waiting for the one on d-devel to hit critical mass | 04:41 | |
| NCommander | Its not quite there yet | 04:41 |
| ajmitch | it's at the threatening GRs stage | 04:41 |
| LaserJock | is there such a thing in Debian? | 04:41 |
| ScottK | The last time was someone complaining Ubuntu patches sucked and I volunteered to show them where my patches from Ubuntu sucked so badly they'd be reused without any credit or attribution. | 04:41 |
| persia | Yes. When a flamefest reaches critical mass, there is a GR. | 04:41 |
| cody-somerville | GRs? | 04:42 |
| ScottK | be reused/been reused | 04:42 |
| StevenK | General Resolution | 04:42 |
| StevenK | How the Debian project "solves problems" | 04:42 |
| ScottK | StevenK: I thought the Debian process was spew hate until one side quits and leaves. | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | good, looks like they're at the filing annoying bugs stage... | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | bugs.debian.org/502959 | 04:43 |
| ScottK | That was a couple of days ago. | 04:43 |
| StevenK | ScottK: That is the long term plan | 04:43 |
| ScottK | I think GR drafts are coming soon. | 04:43 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 04:43 |
| ajmitch | I don't wade into flamefests too often | 04:43 |
| persia | ScottK, GRs are used to force the side that won't quit to do so. | 04:44 |
| * StevenK remembers this coming up when he worked with Herbert and he was still maintaining the kernel | 04:44 | |
| * ScottK notes that that's exactly why he suggested rough consensus for MOTU decisions rather than 51 percent. | 04:44 | |
| persia | ScottK, My only issue with formalising rough consensus was that it was just documentation of existing practice, yet the formalisation itself confused many people. | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | and if badly run, 'rough consensus' can be browbeating enough people until objections are silenced | 04:46 |
| ScottK | persia: OK. Hopefully we can get it clearly written down in a way that won't do that. | 04:46 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: True. | 04:46 |
| persia | ScottK, Yep. | 04:46 |
| persia | ajmitch, Indeed, but it's better to emphasise that we seek consensus than to just have everyone bow before the browbeater because they did so in the past. | 04:47 |
| ScottK | I'm actually quite fond of the IETF idea of "Rough consensus and running code". The IETF would work a lot better if they used it. | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | persia: of course, browbeating must be done politely if at all possible :) | 04:48 |
| ScottK | If you have to be mean, stay off logged channels. | 04:48 |
| ScottK | I messed that one up once. | 04:48 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | did it return to bite you? | 04:49 |
| ScottK | A little bit. | 04:49 |
| ScottK | I got pretty direct CoC warnings from some senior people in the project. | 04:49 |
| ScottK | They were right too. | 04:50 |
| * ScottK does, however, note that the meaness was threating to do everything in my power to get a certain someone ejected from the project. | 04:50 | |
| * ScottK looks around and doesn't see that someone. | 04:51 | |
| ScottK | So it didn't bit too badly. | 04:51 |
| ScottK | bit/bite | 04:51 |
| persia | Well, it's also a time of day issue. This channel is still in autojoin for that person. | 04:51 |
| ScottK | Yes. I checked before I mentioned it. | 04:51 |
| ScottK | AFAIK they're still silenced on the channel in any case. | 04:52 |
| * StevenK blinks. | 04:52 | |
| * ajmitch is not surprised | 04:52 | |
| persia | Yes. I was hoping to be able to lift that soon, but some of the support building in Debian washed away during the Lenny freeze, so it maybe a while yet. | 04:52 |
| persia | s/maybe/may be/ | 04:53 |
| * ScottK notes that he did file a good bug the other day. | 04:53 | |
| ajmitch | ScottK: the problem wasn't the few good ones, sadly | 04:54 |
| persia | Yeah. He's been getting a lot better, which is why the gag is starting to seem superfluous, but it requires certain criteria to be met before it can be lifted. | 04:54 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Agreed. | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | even I can file a good bug, if the moon is in the right phase | 04:54 |
| ScottK | persia: clamtk finds the clamav test files just fine, BTW. | 04:55 |
| persia | Anyway, we've all spent enough bytes on this issue over the past 18 months. More doesn't help. | 04:55 |
| persia | ScottK, Yep. I tested that last night, although after the sync due to excellent service on the part of the archive-admins. | 04:55 |
| StevenK | persia: Are you sure? Debian seems to follow the reverse. | 04:56 |
| persia | At this point, all the pending translations from the Japanese team are included, which is a good thing. | 04:56 |
| persia | StevenK, One of the ways we aren't Debian is that we tend to accept when something is over, and only re-raise it when there are new changes that make it relevant. | 04:57 |
| slangasek | one wonders if you meant to type "Sven" instead of "Debian" | 04:59 |
| persia | slangasek, I'm trying not to point at specific individuals, but that's an example. | 04:59 |
| slangasek | persia: as a DD, I find it kind of insulting that you're making such a generalization about Debian, particularly if Sven is one of the "examples" since he's not part of Debian... | 05:01 |
| slangasek | (there are other examples who are - but I still don't think it's a fair generalization of the project) | 05:02 |
| ScottK | In other news, the libhdf5-serial NBS could use a little working on. | 05:02 |
| StevenK | octave-gpc? | 05:03 |
| persia | slangasek, Fair. My experience with most people actually working in Debian is that they are fairly quick to do things well. My experience with d-d@ is that some things drag on for months with no useful input. | 05:03 |
| StevenK | It's busticated, and I can't fix it | 05:03 |
| * slangasek hides from hdf5 | 05:04 | |
| ScottK | StevenK: That and libgdal-ruby and libdgal1-1.5.0 on lpia and opctave-plplot of hppa | 05:04 |
| StevenK | ScottK: hppa is on NBS-ignore | 05:04 |
| ScottK | StevenK: Removal would fix it. | 05:04 |
| StevenK | ScottK: I'm also ignoring gdal on lpia | 05:04 |
| StevenK | That leaves octave-gpc, which I tried to fix | 05:04 |
| ScottK | Mayve NCommander would take a whack at it. He loves pain. | 05:05 |
| ScottK | Mayve/Maybe. | 05:05 |
| NCommander | StevenK, as a side note, the DYMANIC_FTRACE kernel upload to lpia was done | 05:05 |
| StevenK | Its configure script is written assuming that $major_version == 2, and it requires porting to a new octave API | 05:05 |
| * NCommander is being absorbed into the kernel team | 05:05 | |
| StevenK | At this point, I think we don't care, but it's slangasek's call | 05:06 |
| ScottK | OK. How much do we care about uninstallable? | 05:06 |
| ajmitch | porting to a new API at this late stage? | 05:07 |
| slangasek | which part is it we don't care about? | 05:07 |
| StevenK | slangasek: If octave-gpc is installable/works | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: is that pretty much it for uninstallable packages? | 05:07 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Yes. Often because it's in Main and a Dependency is not. | 05:07 |
| slangasek | StevenK: "would be nice" but if not, them's the breaks | 05:08 |
| StevenK | I think it's comatose upstream, too | 05:08 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: oh, just for main, or is everything installable in universe now? | 05:08 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: I think if something in Universe is actually uninstallable it comes up, but the cases I've looked at have been depends in Universe. | 05:09 |
| * ScottK beats the drum for removal. | 05:09 | |
| * NCommander reads from the Book of Dead Packages | 05:10 | |
| * persia has 60 uninstallable packages in the amd64 local apt cache. | 05:11 | |
| ajmitch | persia: too late for most of those to be fixed? | 05:12 |
| persia | ajmitch, Not at all. None of them are on CDs (well, except for some ichthux stuff but that's not an official CD), so no reason we can't push them now. | 05:13 |
| persia | ajmitch, apt-cache unmet -i should give you a list. | 05:13 |
| * ajmitch wasn't up on when universe is frozen | 05:13 | |
| ScottK | LaserJock: Accepted. | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | yeah, I've used that in the past | 05:13 |
| ajmitch | not entirely accurate, since it looks at installed packages as well | 05:13 |
| NCommander | is it too late to zap a package? | 05:13 |
| persia | universe is getting more and more frozen as time passes, but stuff that would be SRU-worthy is typically accepted as late as possible. | 05:14 |
| persia | NCommander, Nope. | 05:14 |
| NCommander | persia, care to ack a removal request for iceweasel-vimperator? | 05:14 |
| NCommander | (for obvious reason?) | 05:14 |
| NCommander | s/\?/s/g | 05:14 |
| StevenK | How did that manage to get in? | 05:15 |
| NCommander | Deep magic | 05:15 |
| persia | NCommander, I don't see the obvious reasons. Is there some good reason why this shouldn't be treated as a bug needing attention of the mozilla-extensions team? | 05:15 |
| NCommander | we don't have iceweasel in Ubuntu? | 05:15 |
| StevenK | No | 05:15 |
| persia | Is it known not to work with firefox? | 05:15 |
| fabrice_sp | HI. I filed a bug for vimperator, and Mozilla team is having a look at it | 05:16 |
| NCommander | well | 05:16 |
| NCommander | That answer sthat | 05:16 |
| fabrice_sp | Bug #286225 | 05:16 |
| NCommander | The package explicately depends on iceweasel, but no iceweasel | 05:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 286225 in vimperator "[intrepid] iceweasel-vimperator: Depends: iceweasel (>= 3.0~) but it is not instalable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286225 | 05:16 |
| persia | NCommander, Yes, but iceweasel is special, because firefox is nearly the same codebase. | 05:17 |
| NCommander | I thought iceweasel and firefox extensions were incompabitable | 05:17 |
| * NCommander knows very very little about iceweasel though in Debian | 05:17 | |
| persia | NCommander, Only in rare cases, but they can usually be patched to work. | 05:17 |
| NCommander | oh, I wasn't aware | 05:18 |
| * NCommander takes a gunshot to his idea to remove the package | 05:18 | |
| NCommander | Was firefox 2 finally killed? | 05:18 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Yes. | 05:19 |
| NCommander | cause we still have firefox-theme-ubuntu Depends firefox2 | 05:19 |
| persia | Is the eog-dev issue just publisher skew? That looks like main. | 05:19 |
| ScottK | NCommander: Feel free to ask for it's removal then. | 05:19 |
| coppro | is there no utility that can scan the database for dead dependencies? | 05:19 |
| StevenK | NCommander: Madison on cocoplum disagrees with you | 05:20 |
| persia | coppro, https://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck is probably a good place to look. | 05:20 |
| NCommander | StevenK, disagrees with me on what? | 05:20 |
| coppro | persia: can't connect to the server | 05:21 |
| StevenK | NCommander: I can't find 'firefox-theme-ubuntu' | 05:21 |
| NCommander | firefox-themes-ubuntu | 05:21 |
| NCommander | :-P | 05:21 |
| ajmitch | NCommander: if using apt-cache, it has a habit of looking at packages that are/were installed | 05:21 |
| persia | coppro, Sorry. My fault : http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/debcheck/ | 05:21 |
| NCommander | ajmitch, that was a matter of a missing s | 05:21 |
| coppro | persia: ah, clever. Someone should really go through that prior to a release | 05:22 |
| * coppro bookmarks | 05:22 | |
| persia | coppro, Lots of people do, but it clearly needs more people. The goal is to get all the numbers to 0 at some point. | 05:23 |
| StevenK | NCommander: File a bug, and subscribe asac | 05:23 |
| coppro | persia: yeah, I'm bookmarking it so I can help work on it | 05:23 |
| coppro | too late to get for intrepid now, though | 05:23 |
| ajmitch | there's always too much to do before release | 05:24 |
| coppro | heh | 05:24 |
| coppro | too true | 05:24 |
| LaserJock | does anybody remember the email about this error: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | LaserJock: one sec, let me hunt | 05:24 |
| ajmitch | https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2008-September/026520.html | 05:25 |
| ajmitch | I think that's related | 05:26 |
| ScottK | coppro: Not entirely too late for Intrepid for Universe. | 05:27 |
| * ajmitch just refreshed the rc bugs list after breaking it again last night | 05:27 | |
| ScottK | That's a good source too. | 05:28 |
| coppro | ScottK: yeah, but /me doesn't have that kind of time probably | 05:28 |
| coppro | I'll do what I can though! | 05:28 |
| ajmitch | upgraded to intrepid, new libapt-pkg ABI, rc bugs list breaks | 05:28 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: Don't worry. If it wasn't that, the new Django API would have gotten you. | 05:29 |
| ajmitch | oh this is just for the processing side | 05:30 |
| coppro | on the plus side, my Intrepid is working fine | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | completely detached from django | 05:30 |
| coppro | on the down side, there is some changes I'd like to see in the upgrade process, but they are in Main | 05:30 |
| ajmitch | the django stuff was just an experimental frontend to existing data | 05:30 |
| coppro | so probably not going to happen :( | 05:30 |
| NCommander | its weird | 05:33 |
| NCommander | for the entire time I've been a developer, I've been targetting intrepid | 05:34 |
| NCommander | and now thats going away as the main target | 05:34 |
| * NCommander feels very strange | 05:34 | |
| ScottK | NCommander: You still have some time to go wild on intrepid SRUs before Jaunty opens. | 05:35 |
| ajmitch | you'll get used to it | 05:35 |
| NCommander | I'm just use the eternal sid | 05:36 |
| ScottK | Good night everyone. | 05:40 |
| NCommander | good night ScottK, until another day | 05:40 |
| ScottK | No, it'll still be this one. | 05:40 |
| NCommander | wow | 05:41 |
| NCommander | its 00:42 already | 05:41 |
| persia | NCommander, No, it's 4:43. You're just too far west. | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | heh, only 21:43 here | 05:43 |
| LaserJock | I'm still in yesterday | 05:44 |
| NCommander | LaserJock, that's just lag ;-) | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | persia: you have any idea what this means in a strace: futex(0x8460110, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL) = ? ERESTARTSYS (To be restarted) | 05:48 |
| persia | LaserJock, Sorry, no. I understand stack traces, but system call traces usually confuse me. | 05:49 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi. compilation of gambas2 in amd64 has be changed in P-a-s, but the package still shows as non installable in amd64. Should I fill a bug to force compilation of the package? | 05:50 |
| fabrice_sp | Hi persia :-) | 05:50 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: it means "threads". If it hangs there, it means "thread error". | 05:57 |
| slangasek | LaserJock: if it's for a process you just attached to, it means "strace sucks" | 05:57 |
| slangasek | s/strace/ptrace/ | 05:57 |
| LaserJock | slangasek: ok, thanks | 05:58 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:10 |
| ajmitch | hi | 07:15 |
| dholbach | hi ajmitch | 07:17 |
| iulian | Hey dholbach :) | 07:24 |
| dholbach | hi iulian | 07:24 |
| didrocks | good morning | 08:08 |
| geser | Hi dholbach, didrocks | 09:17 |
| Woody86 | Hello everybody :) | 09:35 |
| * Hobbsee waves | 09:36 | |
| * Woody86 high-fives Hobbsee | 09:37 | |
| Woody86 | so what's everybody up to, sleeping or something?? | 09:37 |
| Hobbsee | probably | 09:38 |
| directhex | the sleep of the just | 09:40 |
| geser | Hi Hobbsee | 09:41 |
| Hobbsee | hey geser! | 09:41 |
| james_w | bug 287369 | 10:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287369 in gambas2 "[Intrepid] Gambas2 now works on amd64 platform" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287369 | 10:29 |
| james_w | how do we go about that? | 10:29 |
| james_w | A rebuild? | 10:29 |
| porthose | Woody86: Congrats! You have a mentor. I am sending you an email with your mentors contact info :) | 10:38 |
| === asac__ is now known as asac | ||
| highvoltage | what does cdbs stand for? | 11:26 |
| cody-somerville | common debian build system I believe | 11:26 |
| ScottK | james_w: Yes. | 11:29 |
| james_w | ScottK: excuse me? | 11:29 |
| viviersf | highvoltage, jou noobie :P | 11:29 |
| ScottK | james_w: Rebuild gambas2 | 11:30 |
| james_w | ScottK: aha, thanks. I forgot I had asked a question :-) | 11:31 |
| james_w | So I should just push a build1? | 11:31 |
| highvoltage | viviersf: I just couldn't remember what it stands for | 11:32 |
| viviersf | highvoltage, just a joke :) | 11:32 |
| DktrKranz | ScottK, james_w, probably I'm wrong, but wasn't 2.8 compatible with amd64? | 11:33 |
| DktrKranz | gambas2 --^ | 11:33 |
| james_w | The P-a-s commit message was "gambas2 2.1.0 and later have 64-bit support" | 11:33 |
| DktrKranz | oh, so p-a-s is adjusted already? | 11:34 |
| ScottK | DktrKranz: Yes. | 11:34 |
| ScottK | So now we need a new upload to trigger a build for amd64 | 11:34 |
| DktrKranz | and no amd64 builds? | 11:34 |
| DktrKranz | I guess it's automatic, unless Arch: field does not include amd64 | 11:35 |
| ScottK | No. You'd need a trigger | 11:35 |
| ScottK | PAS overrides what's in the control file. | 11:35 |
| DktrKranz | I was sure adjusting p-a-s would be enough, but I am probably wrong | 11:36 |
| ScottK | I may be wrong, but I don't think soyuz automatically scans PAS looking for new stuff it can build. | 11:36 |
| DktrKranz | lamont told me soyuz needs 12 to 24 hours to notice p-a-s changes | 11:38 |
| DktrKranz | if no builds since then, you're right | 11:38 |
| ScottK | DktrKranz: Well if lamont told you, then I believe him over my guesses. | 11:38 |
| DktrKranz | when such changes have been committed to p-a-s? | 11:39 |
| DktrKranz | (no browser handy, sorry) | 11:39 |
| james_w | 20th apparently | 11:40 |
| james_w | it will not be automatic, but a buildd admin may have some magic apparently | 12:05 |
| james_w | we are advised to upload a no-change rebuild, as that is sure to work | 12:05 |
| james_w | which I have just done | 12:05 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| james_w | The gambas2 issue was fixed by the soyuz devs waving a magic wand | 13:06 |
| Hobbsee | hurrah! | 13:08 |
| === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger | ||
| lfaraone | Anybody have a spare intrepid box they don't mind giving a ssh account to? | 13:17 |
| jorgenpt | lfaraone: virtualbox it. | 13:17 |
| lfaraone | jorgenpt: I don't have root access to the local machine, so I can't install VMs. | 13:19 |
| * RainCT points to http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/14689/ | 15:13 | |
| === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach | ||
| jcastro | \sh: would you be interested in running a leonov session for openweek? | 15:53 |
| \sh | jcastro: when is it? | 15:54 |
| jcastro | 3 Nov to 7 Nov | 15:54 |
| jcastro | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep | 15:54 |
| jcastro | prep page if you want to add a session | 15:54 |
| jcastro | actually, that goes for any MOTU who wants to run a session | 15:55 |
| \sh | jcastro: I would love too...but I'm on the road during this week...from 3rd (Monday) to Sunday :( | 15:55 |
| jcastro | :-/ | 15:55 |
| \sh | jcastro: on the road means: I'm working @ our DC during nightimes, which means sleeping time is during the day | 15:55 |
| nxvl | \sh: maybe you can send someone from your team to run a session | 16:04 |
| \sh | nxvl: good idea...trying to catch thekorn ;) | 16:05 |
| thekorn | \sh: very late pong | 16:29 |
| \sh | thekorn: would you like to run a leonov session during openweek? | 16:36 |
| \sh | thekorn: I'm somehow busy work related (working nightshifts in our DCs) | 16:36 |
| * \sh is brb ... 15 mins | 16:37 | |
| thekorn | \sh: I'll think about it tonight, off for sport right now, let's discuss it in #leonov | 16:37 |
| === slicer_ is now known as slicer | ||
| === k00n is now known as Koon | ||
| ScottK | persia: I'd be curious to know if "Discussion of the MC application processes." included review of the feedback from some tech board members? | 17:38 |
| persia | ScottK, No. It wasn't about criteria. More about the fact that it *shouldn't* take months to process an application. Applicants should get approved or denied. | 17:39 |
| persia | The comments from the tech board are interesting, and I am anxiously awaiting mdz to start the thread asking MOTU to define ourselves. | 17:40 |
| ScottK | persia: Thanks. I'd like to suggest that the TB comments should be discussed. | 17:40 |
| persia | I don't think they should be discussed within MC. I think mdz is correct that it's a wider thing, and should be discussed within MOTU. | 17:40 |
| persia | MC should take guidance from MOTU when determining the appropriate criteria. | 17:41 |
| ScottK | OK. I guess I took it as MC is acting as a TB delegate on such decisions and so that's where MC should look. | 17:41 |
| persia | I agree with that : that's why I asked for clarification in the TB meeting. | 17:42 |
| persia | On the other hand, if TB seeks input from MOTU, I don't think the MC should be the sole source of that input, and I'm not sure it's productive for MC to establish a separate consensus from that of MOTU generally. | 17:42 |
| persia | To me, it seems clear that some members of TB consider MOTU to be independent of universe. I thought that the statements by the TB were clear, but do not object to TB polling MOTU if they think that is the appropriate solution. | 17:44 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| persia | ScottK, Of particular note are the comments by a majority of TB at 16:03 (from irclogs.u.c) which seem to establish a consensus, and mdz's comment from 16:06. | 17:46 |
| persia | I interpret 16:06 as overriding the previous consensus of 16:03. | 17:47 |
| ScottK | Looking | 17:47 |
| ScottK | persia: I agree that where we are now is waiting for mdz to complete his action. | 17:49 |
| persia | As I stated at the time, I'm happy to go with 16:03, although it doesn't match my gut feeling. On the other hand, I think completing the previous incomplete discussion has value, especially considering that many of the most prolific contributors in intrepid are not MOTU, and have not applied to be MOTU. | 17:49 |
| ScottK | Additionally, if you go with what keybuck said at 16:06, then for people who only want to upload to Main, there is no path to core-dev. | 17:50 |
| persia | ScottK, Do you also agree that the discussion would benefit from a larger group than just MC? | 17:50 |
| ScottK | persia: Yes. | 17:50 |
| persia | ScottK, Yeah. Keybuk's 16:06 comment confuses me, especially given his previous support for ArchiveReorganisation, which seems to be a mechanism to establish just that. | 17:51 |
| RainCT | porthose: ping | 17:52 |
| persia | Further, rtg is a counter-case to that statement : in at least one case there is someone with ACL upload rights to main who does not have upload rights to the rest of the archive. | 17:52 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 17:54 |
| ScottK | It seems the major distinction between him and (I'm blanking on the name) the emacs-snapshot case is insider versus outsider and I don't think that's a good way to decide. | 17:55 |
| persia | I think you're thinking of the ltsp stuff, rather then emacs-snapshot. | 17:56 |
| persia | for emacs-snapshot, I think the problem is our sponsoring process. For rus-ispell/xserver-xorg-video-nsc I think the problem is our SRU process. | 17:57 |
| persia | Both of those need lower latency, and special casing doesn't help that much. There are exceptional cases (and emacs-snapshot may be one), but there are also core concerns. | 17:58 |
| ScottK | Perhaps. | 17:58 |
| persia | For ltsp, there's a clear need for a known active ubuntu member to upload only a small set of packages, and that individual has little interest in upload access to the rest of the archive. | 17:59 |
| persia | To me, having that person jump through the hoop of being MOTU seems odd, especially given their leadership in other areas, but that needs discussion. | 18:00 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| === mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz | ||
| persia | jcastro, Just signed up for Open Week : I'll take the 15:00 Wednesday slot to discuss "Polishing a package" meaning review the bugs, grab any available fixes, and submit a candidate for review. | 18:07 |
| jcastro | persia: sounds excellent. | 18:08 |
| jcastro | persia: please don't forget a description at the bottom! | 18:13 |
| persia | Erps. Thanks :) | 18:13 |
| * RainCT notes that REVU is going down for maintenance | 18:47 | |
| sebner | RainCT: yeah, time to b0rk something :D# | 18:48 |
| RainCT | sebner: yep, REVU has been working fine for too long already :D | 18:48 |
| sebner | \o/ | 18:49 |
| RainCT | (is any psql wizard around?) | 18:50 |
| sebner | RainCT: fixed your gnome? (though my theorie is that gnome is unfixable and because of that just GREAT) :D | 18:50 |
| RainCT | sebner: nope | 18:50 |
| RainCT | still freezing :( | 18:50 |
| sebner | RainCT: bah, be b0rken is one thing but freezing is just crap :\ | 18:51 |
| RainCT | well, it's not normal freezing: it freezes the whole computer at startup and I have to hard-reboot :/ | 18:51 |
| fabrice_sp | RainCT: I have the same problem. In my case, It seems that it's during network connection with wifi | 18:59 |
| Awsoonn | is ther a way to put data on the clipboard from a bash script? | 19:03 |
| RainCT | fabrice_sp: oh. but I've no wifi here | 19:03 |
| cody-somerville | yup | 19:03 |
| RainCT | Awsoonn: yes | 19:03 |
| * Awsoonn smiles @ RainCT do you happen to have an example? | 19:04 | |
| fabrice_sp | So, ho do you debug this kind of thing (freeze on startup, with hard reboot)? I tried to boot from another partition, but no strange messages in logs... | 19:04 |
| RainCT | Awsoonn: look at xsel | 19:04 |
| RainCT | (I had to look it up, didn't remember the name :)) | 19:04 |
| RainCT | fabrice_sp: I don't know :) | 19:05 |
| Awsoonn | so cool, thanks RainCT, I found some good stuff to read on it | 19:05 |
| RainCT | Awsoonn: you're welcome :) | 19:05 |
| pochu | sebner: btw, does amule need a FFe? I thought 2.2.1->2.2.2 was bugfix only | 19:18 |
| RainCT | he first to get a traceback on REVU gets a prize :P | 19:22 |
| RainCT | *the | 19:22 |
| persia | RainCT, What's the prize? | 19:22 |
| RainCT | dunno.. an image of a cake? XD | 19:23 |
| persia | Not worth hitting it with a pentest then :) | 19:24 |
| RainCT | porthose: you've got moderator status now :) | 19:24 |
| RainCT | heh | 19:25 |
| RainCT | persia: well, it's basically just trying that all the stuff (post comments, delete comments, advocate, etc.) still works | 19:25 |
| iulian | RainCT: Do you still have that biscuit? | 19:26 |
| RainCT | iulian: yeah! XD | 19:26 |
| iulian | I'm in then! | 19:26 |
| sebner | pochu: Good question. ScottK told me "Make a FFe for amule". I'll quickly recheck and decide then what todo. | 19:28 |
| sebner | pochu: This is a stable release which features mainly bug fixes and improvements upon the 2.2.x series of aMule. | 19:30 |
| === thekorn_ is now known as thekorn | ||
| RainCT | Jazzva: have you uploaded iceweasel-itsalltext or should I do? | 19:33 |
| Jazzva | RainCT, I'm not a MOTU. Please do it. Thanks :) | 19:33 |
| Awsoonn | RainCT: xsel seems pretty cool, but after about 10 minutes I realized I'm logged in via ssh and I was beign silly. | 19:33 |
| RainCT | iulian: no luck? :) | 19:50 |
| ScottK | RainCT and Jazzva: I got it accepted this time, but renaming packages and as a result stuffing them into the New queue really isn't a great idea this close to release. | 20:17 |
| sebner | ScottK: pingeling :) | 20:17 |
| ScottK | sebner: Pong | 20:18 |
| sebner | ScottK: I'm wondering if we really need a FFe for amule | 20:18 |
| ScottK | sebner: Perhaps not. | 20:19 |
| ScottK | It's been some time since I looked at it. | 20:19 |
| sebner | ScottK: depending on how strict we are. 99% are bugfixes and the remaining 1% are minor minor new things | 20:19 |
| ScottK | sebner: At this point make the FFe then. | 20:19 |
| sebner | ScottK: kk, just wanted to recheck with you | 20:20 |
| ScottK | sebner: I have to justify accepts to ubuntu-release, so it'll help. | 20:20 |
| === lionel_ is now known as lionel | ||
| sebner | ScottK: I see. Not long than 30 minutes then it'll be ready to ACK | 20:20 |
| ScottK | Great | 20:21 |
| ScottK | sebner: Does the ssmtp bug apply to earlier releases too? | 20:27 |
| sebner | ScottK: yep, /me will prepare SRU's the next days | 20:28 |
| === jono_ is now known as jono | ||
| sebner | ScottK: btw, /me is still impressed how long amule takes to build ^^ | 20:30 |
| Woody86 | hello everybody :) | 20:36 |
| ScottK | sebner: It won't be SRU, it'll be -security, won't it? | 20:41 |
| sebner | ScottK: of course but Stable release update is nearly the same for me since it's an update or a stable release. security or not ^^ | 20:42 |
| sebner | *or = for | 20:42 |
| ScottK | OK. | 20:42 |
| ScottK | sebner: Is it all the releases affected? | 20:42 |
| sebner | ScottK: unfortunately yes, back to dapper | 20:43 |
| ScottK | OK | 20:43 |
| sebner | ScottK: ha! me is still in time. 6 minutes left =) | 20:44 |
| Woody86 | ember - hello :) | 20:44 |
| ScottK | sebner: Looks like nxvl is beating you too it. | 20:44 |
| ScottK | too/to | 20:44 |
| slytherin | james_w: I have just updated attachment for bug #268930, are you planning to sponsor it (since you added the comment about dependencies) or should I ask someone else? | 20:44 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 268930 in fop "FOP fails with java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.w3c.dom.svg.SVGDocument" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/268930 | 20:44 |
| sebner | ScottK: why? It was my decision to make SRU's ;) | 20:45 |
| ScottK | sebner: I see one debdiff in the bug already from him. | 20:45 |
| sebner | ScottK: true because he thought my changelog was not made in the correct way but it was (expect the versionsnumber) | 20:46 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 20:47 |
| sebner | *exept | 20:47 |
| sebner | *except | 20:47 |
| sebner | grrr | 20:47 |
| slytherin | geser: there? | 20:49 |
| sebner | ScottK: grr, damn icq. ready now :) | 20:58 |
| === DktrKranz2 is now known as DktrKranz | ||
| ScottK | sebner: Bug #? | 21:04 |
| sebner | ScottK: bug #260471 , DO something. They stole my ssmtp SRU's :( :( :( | 21:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 260471 in amule "[FFe] Merge amule (2.2.2-1) experimental" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260471 | 21:04 |
| ScottK | sebner: Why do we need replaces amule-common? | 21:05 |
| sebner | ScottK: I talked to pochu (last uploader). because in our svn version we had stuff there what was moved to amule to reduce the debian delta | 21:06 |
| ScottK | sebner: In what release did amule-common last exist? | 21:07 |
| ScottK | As a real package, not virtual. | 21:07 |
| pochu | ScottK: if you remove it, it will break upgrades | 21:07 |
| pochu | amule-common is a real package | 21:08 |
| sebner | ScottK: webserver stuff | 21:08 |
| pochu | it's a replaces because some files where moved from amule-common to amule | 21:08 |
| ScottK | When? | 21:08 |
| sebner | ScottK: our svn version -> debian resync | 21:09 |
| pochu | ScottK: in hardy it's in amule-common | 21:09 |
| ScottK | pochu: OK. It's needed then. | 21:09 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 21:09 |
| pochu | I can ask dato to add it to the Debian package, so we can sync in the future | 21:10 |
| sebner | pochu: sync \o/ :) I'll file it then :P | 21:10 |
| sebner | ScottK: are you happy that I made a screenshot? Bonus points? ^ ^ | 21:11 |
| ajmitch | hi | 21:11 |
| ScottK | sebner: Ack'ed. | 21:14 |
| * sebner hugs ScottK =) | 21:14 | |
| ScottK | DktrKranz: Would you have a look at bug #260471 | 21:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 260471 in amule "[FFe] Merge amule (2.2.2-1) experimental" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/260471 | 21:14 |
| sebner | ScottK: It is possible. <--- HAHA :) | 21:15 |
| ScottK | It's not there yet. | 21:15 |
| pochu | sebner: btw, tango icons look nicer ;) | 21:15 |
| * DktrKranz looks | 21:16 | |
| pochu | sebner: switch to them in preferences :) | 21:16 |
| sebner | pochu: lol | 21:16 |
| pochu | sebner: feel free to subscribe to amule bugs, it's low traffic lol :P | 21:16 |
| sebner | pochu: hehe | 21:16 |
| ScottK | jdong: You around? I've got a backports policy question. | 21:17 |
| sebner | pochu: tango = tangerine? ^^ | 21:18 |
| pochu | sebner: dato is committing the replaces bit to git | 21:19 |
| pochu | will be available in the next upload | 21:19 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, ScottK: fine for me too. | 21:19 |
| sebner | pochu: great. /me is already keen to sync stuff for jaunty :D | 21:19 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: thanks ;D | 21:19 |
| pochu | hehe | 21:19 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, now get superpowers and upload it yourself, Y.R.B. | 21:20 |
| sebner | pochu: DktrKranz : I still need a sponsors ACK | 21:20 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: S. I. K. Y. , Not enough time to be added to the group :P | 21:20 |
| DktrKranz | please grant sebner a MCe (MOTU Council exception) | 21:21 |
| sebner | ROFL | 21:21 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: What about a Se? Sebner expection ^^ | 21:22 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, I don't like the name | 21:22 |
| sebner | bah :P | 21:23 |
| ScottK | pochu: Would you do the amule upload? | 21:24 |
| DktrKranz | pochu, if you lack time, I could have a look later | 21:25 |
| DktrKranz | (but not too sure about it) | 21:25 |
| * pochu doesn't have where to test ATM | 21:25 | |
| pochu | so if you can, that would be great | 21:25 |
| pochu | sebner: what about applying for MOTUship? | 21:26 |
| DktrKranz | well... my ISP is blocking amule connections, so I can test if it builds and installs only | 21:26 |
| sebner | pochu: why? | 21:26 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: what about my nice picture :P | 21:26 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, we are *scared* of your future sync/merge requests for jauntyu | 21:26 |
| pochu | sebner: to not need sponsors ;) | 21:27 |
| sebner | pochu: hehe, at least forget it for intrepid cycle (not that long though ^^) | 21:27 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: YOU or the archive admins? ^^ | 21:27 |
| pochu | haha | 21:27 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, they don't get queried | 21:28 |
| DktrKranz | as you do with me :D | 21:28 |
| pochu | lol | 21:28 |
| * sebner hides | 21:28 | |
| * pochu goes to study | 21:28 | |
| sebner | pochu: hf if possible ^^ | 21:28 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, no hideout for you, I know them all | 21:29 |
| pochu | boson - core package for Boson | 21:29 |
| pochu | lol at the description | 21:29 |
| pochu | bbl | 21:29 |
| DktrKranz | pochu, what about "boson - boson, what else you need to know?" | 21:29 |
| DktrKranz | gah, my i386 debomatic machine is down, so I need to push it to PPA to have it tested :/ | 21:30 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, are you able to open packages.u.c ? | 21:33 |
| * DktrKranz not | 21:33 | |
| sebner | DktrKranz: yep, b0rken. was working some hours ago though | 21:33 |
| * DktrKranz hopes in rmadison now | 21:34 | |
| sebner | DktrKranz: rmadison? | 21:34 |
| DktrKranz | rmadison -u ubuntu amule-common | 21:35 |
| * sebner learns everyday something new =) | 21:36 | |
| ScottK | DktrKranz: Did that one a while ago http://paste.ubuntu.com/61197/ | 21:36 |
| ScottK | DktrKranz: BTW, -u ubuntu is default now. | 21:36 |
| sebner | hrhr | 21:36 |
| sebner | ScottK: what wlan do you have? | 21:37 |
| ScottK | What do you mean? | 21:37 |
| DktrKranz | ScottK, ah... need to adjust my aliases then | 21:37 |
| sebner | ScottK: wlancard | 21:37 |
| sebner | ScottK: ah sry, ignore me | 21:37 |
| pkern | Sadly Debian's rmadison doesn't know about -u. | 21:38 |
| ScottK | Ah. I'm on a desktop here, but my laptop is intel 4965 | 21:38 |
| DktrKranz | pkern, really? | 21:38 |
| sebner | ScottK: he missread something. I thought you didn't use intrepid earlier because of br0ken wlan support. But it's about kde and nm | 21:39 |
| ScottK | sebner: Yes. That was fixed around beta time. | 21:40 |
| sebner | ScottK: he = me xD | 21:40 |
| ScottK | It was due to NetworkManager 0.7 getting uploaded before KNetworkManager had been updated to the new API. | 21:40 |
| sebner | ScottK: using unstable isn't that bad. AFAIK xorg only broke 2 times. Ok, Nvidia around 10 times but that's not necessary for life ^^ | 21:40 |
| ScottK | sebner: It's one thing if you are a student. It's another when you need these boxes for $WORK. | 21:41 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, testbuilding amule right now | 21:41 |
| sebner | ScottK: a student also has to use them. ok work is different but 1 or 2 days with broken Xorg in 6 months is pretty good :D | 21:42 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: \o/ | 21:42 |
| ScottK | Yes, but you know that after, not before. | 21:42 |
| sebner | ScottK: to make it more funny /me only has *1* box/laptop | 21:42 |
| DktrKranz | sebner, I hope it will bypass my ISP filters, or borrow me some free internet, please | 21:43 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: letter is already on his way :P | 21:43 |
| * DktrKranz is angry when a State decide to block *illegal* peer-to-peer traffic | 21:43 | |
| sebner | hrhr | 21:43 |
| DktrKranz | where "illegal" = "I need to test if something works" | 21:43 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: proxies doesn't work? | 21:43 |
| pkern | DktrKranz: rly | 21:43 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: amule takes pretty long to build :\ | 21:46 |
| DktrKranz | how long? | 21:46 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: /here 5-10 minutes | 21:47 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: more likely around 10 ^^ | 21:47 |
| DktrKranz | not too bad, I uploaded to PPA | 21:47 |
| DktrKranz | since my i386 box is out of business for now | 21:48 |
| sebner | DktrKranz: well for a small desktop app it's pretty long :\ | 21:48 |
| DktrKranz | Finished: 2008-07-01 (took 24 minutes) | 21:48 |
| DktrKranz | porc... | 21:48 |
| sebner | hehe | 21:49 |
| pochu | sebner: http://git.debian.org/?p=collab-maint/amule.git;a=commitdiff;h=73d577f5b4c7bc0d8d9add33b429eb6881fc6db4 | 22:34 |
| DktrKranz | mh, my PPA builds have stalled... | 22:43 |
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