| Jazzva | asac, now I have a question - we don't make a difference for "Get Ubuntu extensions" between abrowser and firefox, right? | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| Jazzva | so we can use one MimeType for both in app-install-data... | 00:00 |
| asac | Jazzva: how would we do that? | 00:00 |
| asac | Jazzva: dont we use the appid for the "mime" typ? | 00:00 |
| Jazzva | I don't see a way, nor a reason to do that... but just to be sure :) | 00:00 |
| asac | Jazzva: what mimetype are we using right now? | 00:01 |
| Jazzva | application/x-debuan-xul-extension-firefox, I think | 00:01 |
| Jazzva | s/debuan/debian | 00:01 |
| asac | Jazzva: what did we use for firefox-3? | 00:01 |
| Jazzva | that one | 00:01 |
| asac | or is that the firefox 2 thing? | 00:01 |
| Jazzva | we just used -firefox-2 for FF2 | 00:01 |
| asac | err sorry. i ment 2 and 3 flipped ;) | 00:01 |
| asac | ok thanks | 00:01 |
| asac | is that gone now? | 00:02 |
| Jazzva | no problem :) | 00:02 |
| Jazzva | yep | 00:02 |
| Jazzva | I removed every instance of -firefox-2 in MimeType line in files | 00:02 |
| Jazzva | if a file only had that one MimeType associated with it, I removed the file. there was two of them | 00:02 |
| asac | actually i now have the feeling that we might have missed the train for the data | 00:02 |
| Jazzva | firefox-themes-ubuntu and some other... | 00:02 |
| asac | and need to do a SRU or something | 00:02 |
| asac | but lets try anyway | 00:02 |
| Jazzva | well, it is in main... | 00:03 |
| Jazzva | ok, should I propose a merge to ~ubuntu-core-dev's branch? | 00:03 |
| asac | Jazzva: better file a bug and let me talk to mvo tomorrow ;) | 00:04 |
| Jazzva | ok | 00:04 |
| asac | i think if branches are old you ar enot getting mails on merge proposal by default | 00:04 |
| Jazzva | ah... ok | 00:09 |
| Jazzva | asac, bug 287270 | 00:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287270 in app-install-data-ubuntu "Please update a list of XUL extensions in app-install-data-ubuntu" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287270 | 00:09 |
| fta | subject: [ubuntu/intrepid] diggler 0.9-16ubuntu2 (Waiting for approval) | 00:37 |
| fta | you forgot the LP: #, me too | 00:38 |
| fta | Jazzva, | 00:38 |
| asac | err ... no bug at all in changelog :-P? | 00:39 |
| Jazzva | yeeeah... that's what I get when I do a quick submit *ashamed* | 00:40 |
| Jazzva | sorry | 00:41 |
| Jazzva | fta, ah... so you already uploaded. Ok, I'll mark as fix released | 00:41 |
| Jazzva | and then watch when it will build, and then mark as fix commited | 00:41 |
| Jazzva | er... the other way around | 00:41 |
| Jazzva | does anyone know what to do in case of "User timeout caused connection failure" bzr error on LP? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.mozilla-extensions | 00:52 |
| Jazzva | is there some sort of push --force parameter, since bzr is reporting that there are no new revisions? | 00:53 |
| NCommander | hola dholbert | 00:56 |
| fta | Jazzva, if you're sure your local branch is good, push --overwrite | 00:56 |
| Jazzva | fta, ok... I'll wait to bit to see if it's a glitch in LP | 00:57 |
| Jazzva | if it doesn't recover by the morning, I'll try with --overwrite | 00:57 |
| dholbert | NCommander: hola | 00:57 |
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| NCommander | asac, ping | 05:28 |
| === jtv1 is now known as jtv | ||
| fta | asac, subject: [ubuntu/intrepid] diggler 0.9-16ubuntu2 (Accepted) | 09:07 |
| asac | fta: good | 09:26 |
| asac | fta: so it just works ;) | 10:04 |
| fta2 | asac, ? | 10:38 |
| === asac__ is now known as asac | ||
| asac | @time los_angeles | 12:15 |
| ubottu | Current time in America/Los_Angeles: October 22 2008, 04:15:26 - Next meeting: QA Team in 5 hours 44 minutes | 12:15 |
| gnomefreak | asac: have you heard from Fallen yet? | 12:28 |
| asac | gnomefreak: something reminds me of that word. but not more ;) | 12:29 |
| gnomefreak | asac: sunbird failure to run | 12:29 |
| asac | haha | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/558964 is what i get when i try to load it | 12:30 |
| gnomefreak | its getting on my frigging nerves nothing i do and/or looked for helps | 12:30 |
| asac | stran ge | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | i know | 12:31 |
| asac | gnomefreak: does the upstream build work? have you tried that? | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | it works | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | well the .xpi does | 12:31 |
| gnomefreak | i tried building upstream source while giving ./configure parameters | 12:32 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yeah | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | and it fails so maybe i didnt pass one that i should have | 12:32 |
| asac | gnomefreak: so did you manage that the .xpi is produced? | 12:32 |
| gnomefreak | noth sure where to look for it | 12:33 |
| asac | gnomefreak: in dist/xpi-stage or something like that | 12:34 |
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| gnomefreak | i dont see .xpi in build-area anywhere | 12:42 |
| asac | gnomefreak: so what did you add to configure? | 12:45 |
| gnomefreak | just building upstream source using ./configure i used | 12:47 |
| gnomefreak | ./configure --enable-application=ac_add_options --enable-application=calendar | 12:47 |
| gnomefreak | i just wanted to test to see if it was tarball | 12:48 |
| thunderstruck | FUCK THIS im gonna work on my connection | 12:59 |
| asac | gnthat application= thing is wrong for sure | 13:30 |
| asac | why ac_add_options? | 13:30 |
| gnomefreak | again :( | 14:06 |
| gnomefreak | oh good im still here | 14:06 |
| gnomefreak | asac: any idea on that error? it seems simple timezone error but everything looks normal to me atleast, in upstream build i looked in the Makefile and install.* and it looks correct. maybe i should try a clean brand new chroot to build it | 14:08 |
| gnomefreak | eh building it anyway it cant hurt to try | 14:11 |
| shirish | hi asac, I'm back but would be online for doing the documentation in about 40 odd minutes ok. | 14:11 |
| asac | shirish: ok cool | 14:22 |
| gnomefreak | shirish: if i had to guess hes at lunch | 14:24 |
| gnomefreak | oops hes back | 14:24 |
| * gnomefreak doubts this is gonna help | 14:27 | |
| asac | gnomefreak: i dont think you changed any conifgure option ... do you? | 14:30 |
| gnomefreak | what the hell do i need x11-common in a chroot :( | 14:30 |
| suzhe | asac: Just want to tell you that, I fixed the libmozjs link issue by shipping a static libmozjs in my project. | 14:30 |
| gnomefreak | asac: no | 14:30 |
| asac | suzhe: urgh | 14:30 |
| gnomefreak | asac: the rules file is same as in 0.8 | 14:30 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yes. did you ever find the .xpi? otherwise it would help. yes | 14:31 |
| gnomefreak | asac: nope its not on my system | 14:31 |
| gnomefreak | atleast using locate and find | 14:31 |
| asac | gnomefreak: do we have the sources at least? | 14:31 |
| asac | are you able to identify them? | 14:32 |
| gnomefreak | asac: what do you mean? | 14:32 |
| gnomefreak | i have upstream source and our source | 14:32 |
| asac | gnomefreak: the source files that are supposed to produce that | 14:32 |
| gnomefreak | yes i think the Makefile and the install.rdf | 14:33 |
| gnomefreak | in timezone dir atleast | 14:33 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i mean if upstream doesnt ship it by default, but you have to install a .xpi it means that its most likely not biult by default | 14:33 |
| gnomefreak | asac: they ship it | 14:33 |
| gnomefreak | it should be built from Makefile | 14:34 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i dont see where that is hooked in | 14:35 |
| suzhe | asac: for the browser component, I wrote a simple glue layer for libmozjs based on xpcomglue. | 14:35 |
| asac | gnomefreak: does calendar/timezones/Makefile exist in your finished built tree? | 14:35 |
| asac | suzhe: couldnt you use something similar for the "normal" thing? | 14:36 |
| suzhe | asac: now, my project doesn't need link to libmozjs.so anymore :-) | 14:36 |
| asac | e.g. something that loads libmozjs.so from what is configured in /etc/gre.d/*.conf? | 14:36 |
| suzhe | asac: you may close bug #286906, thanks for your help. | 14:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 286906 in xulrunner-1.9 "Unable to use libmozjs.so in an application, because of library path problem." [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/286906 | 14:36 |
| asac | suzhe: well. static linkage will prevent you from getting in any distro | 14:36 |
| asac | suzhe: cant be the real solution | 14:36 |
| gnomefreak | asac: give me a minute to get it and find it | 14:36 |
| suzhe | asac: however, seems that it's the only solution for now. mozilla guys also suggest this solution. | 14:40 |
| asac | suzhe: yeah. a solution that makes your software undistributable (or better said: unsupportable). this should really be fixed upstream | 14:41 |
| suzhe | asac: why it makes my software undistributable? | 14:42 |
| asac | and if the few folks that have a use of the javascript engine just say "ok, i do that" it will never be fixed | 14:42 |
| suzhe | asac: I don't think it's a big deal. | 14:42 |
| asac | suzhe: shipping or linking against static libs is a no-no | 14:42 |
| asac | because no security support is really possible | 14:43 |
| asac | and every sane distribution will not allow such software to be shipped | 14:43 |
| suzhe | asac: I think mozilla guys are going to fix this issue, but it needs time. | 14:43 |
| asac | suzhe: yeah. as a temporary workaround its ok for you | 14:43 |
| asac | suzhe: all i am trying to say: "now that they noticed and that some folks are willing to change things you have to reemphasize your point" | 14:43 |
| asac | over and over again | 14:43 |
| asac | otherwise i am nearly 100% that nothing will change | 14:44 |
| gnomefreak | i cant remember where i found it :( | 14:44 |
| asac | the few folks that want to change something in mozilla will be overruled | 14:44 |
| pecisk | asac: hi, question was - when current translations from Firefox CVS will get imported into language packages/Launchpad? | 14:44 |
| asac | suzhe: ^^ | 14:44 |
| suzhe | asac: Hmm, it'll be bad if it makes my software undistributable. | 14:44 |
| asac | suzhe: right. you have to tell that the spidermonkey developers over and over again | 14:45 |
| asac | suzhe: and open bugs in bugzilla and so on | 14:45 |
| suzhe | asac: so, how can I get a perfect solution for now? :-( | 14:46 |
| asac | suzhe: for now its not possible as i said. because of definiciency in spidermonkey practices and policies | 14:46 |
| suzhe | asac: I'll, but what shall I do for now? | 14:46 |
| suzhe | asac: actually there is an open bug in mozilla's bugzilla. And it's opened for more than 7 years :-( Fortunately, they are still working on it. | 14:46 |
| shirish | asac: hi | 14:46 |
| asac | suzhe: for now you are more or less lost. only whay i can see is that you move your code interfaceing with that lib to something dynamically loaded | 14:47 |
| asac | suzhe: and use the /etc/gre.d/*.conf file to find the lib | 14:47 |
| asac | pecisk: on demand | 14:48 |
| asac | pecisk: its easier to go directly to your issue ;) ... what issues are you seeing that make you think you want to know about that? | 14:48 |
| asac | suzhe: why do you think they are still working on it? | 14:49 |
| asac | suzhe: i havent heard anything from mozilla that would make me think that they consider their spidermonkey engine something worth to put effort into making a proper lib out of it | 14:49 |
| asac | (except yesterday where the spidermonkey dev acked that this is an issue - but he didnt appear like he was actually aware of this) | 14:50 |
| suzhe | asac: the problem is, it requires a glue layer, which is not practical for my script module. | 14:50 |
| asac | suzhe: what is a script module? | 14:50 |
| asac | suzhe: what kind of script are you talking about? | 14:50 |
| suzhe | asac: from comments of the bug report. | 14:50 |
| gnomefreak | asac: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/559033 around line 62 and http://pastebin.mozilla.org/559034 around line 44 | 14:51 |
| asac | suzhe: i wouldnt defer from comments on bug that they are really working on this :( | 14:51 |
| suzhe | asac: the most recent comment was just a few days ago. | 14:51 |
| gnomefreak | let me change the Makefile line number | 14:51 |
| suzhe | asac: script module is a dynamic loadable module of my project, which depends on libmozjs.so. | 14:51 |
| gnomefreak | asac: makefile around line 75 | 14:51 |
| asac | suzhe: the right way is to make your project load the gecko runtime through standalone glue on startup | 14:52 |
| asac | suzhe: (before you load your dynamic module) | 14:52 |
| asac | suzhe: and link your module against the dependent glue | 14:52 |
| suzhe | asac: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=97954 | 14:52 |
| pecisk | asac: simply we got FF 3 translated via official source, and we would like to see that result also in Ibex | 14:52 |
| asac | might be overkill to boot the complete gre ... but thats the only way to get that i thikn | 14:52 |
| pecisk | asac: so I looking for ways to get that translation into Launchpad and Ubuntu 8.10 | 14:53 |
| asac | pecisk: how is "you" ? | 14:53 |
| suzhe | asac: this module only depends on libmozjs.so, nothing else in xulrunner. | 14:53 |
| asac | pecisk: which language? | 14:53 |
| pecisk | asac: Latvian aka lv | 14:53 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 97954 in JavaScript Engine "autoconf build environment for spidermonkey" [Enhancement,Assigned] | 14:53 |
| asac | pecisk: you should file a bug about your locale in launchpad against rosetta project and subscribe me explicitly | 14:53 |
| asac | pecisk: also subscribe ArneGoetje | 14:53 |
| asac | pecisk: who should now deal with this | 14:53 |
| shirish | asac: please lemme know when you are ready to talk about documentation | 14:54 |
| asac | pecisk: or maybe file against language_-pack-lv | 14:54 |
| suzhe | asac: loading the whole xpcom is overhead for this module. | 14:54 |
| asac | suzhe: it is, but its the only way | 14:54 |
| pecisk | asac: what I should attach to that bug? | 14:54 |
| asac | until spidermonkey folks have sorted this | 14:55 |
| pecisk | asac: translation in which format - po or xpi? | 14:55 |
| asac | pecisk: nothing. a link to thhe official xpi maybe | 14:55 |
| asac | pecisk: just file a bug "please import latest firefox upstream translations" | 14:56 |
| asac | and subscribe me and arnegoetje | 14:56 |
| pecisk | ok, thanks! | 14:56 |
| pecisk | :) | 14:56 |
| asac | pecisk: and point to the directory with all the latest xpis ... or laternatively name the version you want to be imported | 14:56 |
| asac | pecisk: also state if this is just for intrepid or also hardy | 14:56 |
| asac | i guess both | 14:57 |
| pecisk | ok, huuuuuuuuuuuuge thanks | 14:58 |
| asac | suzhe: loading the gre would also allow you to specify the max/min version .... which overcomes the deficiencies of a not existing library versioning | 14:58 |
| suzhe | asac: I'll have a try. thanks for your suggestion. | 14:59 |
| asac | suzhe: welcome. just load the gre in your main binary and link your dynamic module against the dependent glue. if thats work its the most feasible workaround i can see now | 15:03 |
| suzhe | asac: however, I want to support as many distros as possible. There are still many widely used distros have no xulrunner 1.9 | 15:04 |
| asac | ok off for NM testing | 15:04 |
| suzhe | asac: supporting old xulrunner without xpcomglue and xulrunner 1.9 with the same set of code would be difficult. | 15:05 |
| suzhe | asac: thanks, I'll have a try. | 15:06 |
| shirish | asac: did you happen to look at the stuff I did on nm 0.7? Is it ok? Is it faulty or incorrect so far? | 15:07 |
| asac | shirish: its ok i think | 15:12 |
| asac | shirish: what its really missing (besides some polishing in workding) is a quick intro | 15:12 |
| asac | all that is documented is usually not needed | 15:12 |
| shirish | right | 15:12 |
| asac | normal users just want to know "how to select a wireless ESSID" | 15:13 |
| asac | how to disable wireless | 15:13 |
| shirish | right, and that is a configuration that I do not have, no wireless :( | 15:13 |
| shirish | btw have you come across this error | 15:13 |
| shirish | Updating connection failed: nm-ifupdown-connection.c.82 - connection update not supported (read-only).. | 15:13 |
| asac | shirish: maybe you could ask someone else from the doc team? | 15:14 |
| asac | thats a read-only connection (its auto) | 15:14 |
| asac | you can only edit it when you rename | 15:14 |
| shirish | asac: you mean about doing the wireless part, sure | 15:14 |
| asac | we should add that to troubleshooting | 15:14 |
| asac | shirish: its because you have a config in interfaces file | 15:14 |
| asac | that config is read only | 15:14 |
| shirish | asac: lol, that config didn't work (unfortunately) | 15:15 |
| asac | not really the best way to indicate that i nthe applet ... but we have a bug about fixing htis | 15:15 |
| gnomefreak | ill be back need to restart | 15:15 |
| shirish | asac: sure | 15:15 |
| asac | shirish: dont know why your config doesnt work. you should certainly open a new bug and dont post more in the dead horse bug you are using right now ;) | 15:16 |
| asac | shirish: open bug ... attach complete syslog after reproducing ... as always | 15:16 |
| shirish | sure, will do | 15:16 |
| shirish | asac: what is system setting? | 15:17 |
| asac | shirish: ? | 15:18 |
| pecisk | asac: can I copy/paste our irc conversation to ubuntu-translators list? Several other teams have similar problems as well. | 15:19 |
| pecisk | t.i. other translation teams | 15:19 |
| asac | pecisk: no. they should talk to me after release | 15:19 |
| asac | i have no time ... or next week | 15:19 |
| pecisk | ok | 15:19 |
| asac | pecisk: you file that bug now | 15:19 |
| shirish | asac: nm-applet > Edit Connections > Wired > some connection > Edit > two checkboxes Connect automatically and System Settings | 15:19 |
| asac | pecisk: thats all we need dont we? | 15:20 |
| shirish | asac: what does that system settings stand for? | 15:20 |
| asac | pecisk: i mean what other issues will other translators have? | 15:20 |
| asac | shirish: settings that apply before you log in | 15:20 |
| asac | shirish: previously connections were configured on a user-profile base | 15:20 |
| asac | since 0.7 you can also configure them system wide | 15:20 |
| asac | so they get upped without you being logged in | 15:20 |
| pecisk | asac: no, the same issue - no proper workflow to get FF translation into Launchpad/Ubuntu system | 15:21 |
| shirish | asac: right, I read it somewhere that previously they were done using gconf profiles or something | 15:21 |
| pecisk | asac: I will report it right away | 15:21 |
| asac | pecisk: file bugs | 15:21 |
| asac | pecisk: assign arnegoetje | 15:21 |
| shirish | asac: right, ok cool. | 15:21 |
| asac | pecisk: if he doesnt react for a while ping me | 15:21 |
| asac | so i can kick him ;) | 15:21 |
| pecisk | please don't hurt him :) | 15:21 |
| pecisk | ok | 15:21 |
| asac | yeah ... through IRC ;) | 15:21 |
| * asac kicks hard ;) | 15:22 | |
| * asac never hits anyone :( | 15:22 | |
| asac | pecisk: he will response i am sure ;) | 15:22 |
| asac | shirish: you can still do it as before ... its just that on top you can now have system connections | 15:22 |
| shirish | asac: so it was not easily possible before? | 15:24 |
| asac | shirish: it wasnt possible at all | 15:24 |
| shirish | asac: ah ok, cool. | 15:24 |
| asac | shirish: the only way was to use ifupdown in /etc/network/interfaces | 15:24 |
| asac | which is why we have all this mess now | 15:24 |
| asac | with all the people thinking that they used NM in th past but they never used it | 15:25 |
| asac | ifupdown was definitly one of the less reasonable inventions from debian | 15:25 |
| shirish | asac: count me in that one as well. | 15:25 |
| asac | it was done without thinking about the future ;) | 15:25 |
| shirish | asac: right, I heard its still to be released, its fedora's project isn't it? | 15:26 |
| asac | one hammer ... for everything | 15:26 |
| shirish | asac: right | 15:26 |
| asac | shirish: ifupdown? thats debian only | 15:26 |
| asac | thats why we have all this pain that fedora doesnt have | 15:26 |
| shirish | asac: I don't have much of a clue of what ifupdown actually does and how it integrates or works with Network-Manager | 15:27 |
| asac | shirish: it doesnt integrate with everything | 15:27 |
| asac | shirish: it provides the ifup ifdown commands | 15:27 |
| asac | shirish: and parses /e/n/interfaces for that | 15:27 |
| asac | shirish: we try to use a plugin that allows users to reus theri old configs | 15:27 |
| asac | from interfaces | 15:28 |
| asac | which is called "ifupdown" and which makes those Ifupdown (eth0) entries appear | 15:28 |
| asac | in NM | 15:28 |
| asac | ok .. .have to do lunch now | 15:29 |
| shirish | asac: cool, till that time put up that bug. | 15:30 |
| NCommander | asac, ping | 15:32 |
| gnomefreak | asac: im bothering #calendar about this | 15:33 |
| gnomefreak | see if upstream tarball has this issue | 15:34 |
| gnomefreak | asac: have a good lunhc | 15:36 |
| * gnomefreak fairtly sure l10n isnt causing this issue | 15:53 | |
| gnomefreak | s/fairtly/fairly | 15:53 |
| gnomefreak | bug 461162 | 15:55 |
| ubottu | Error: Launchpad bug 461162 could not be found | 15:55 |
| gnomefreak | mozilla 461162 | 15:56 |
| ubottu | Mozilla bug 461162 in Build Config "Port bug 451466 to calendar [make -C calendar/locales wget-en-US]" [Normal,New] http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=461162 | 15:56 |
| gnomefreak | ok time for smoke | 15:59 |
| asac | NCommander: yeahj | 16:00 |
| NCommander | asac, any issues acking it? | 16:00 |
| asac | NCommander: acking what? | 16:00 |
| asac | enigmail? | 16:00 |
| NCommander | Removal of firefox-themes-ubuntu | 16:00 |
| asac | NCommander: wasnt that removed ages ago? | 16:01 |
| NCommander | nope | 16:01 |
| NCommander | hence the removal request | 16:01 |
| asac | NCommander: bug? | 16:01 |
| NCommander | I need an MOTU to ack it however | 16:01 |
| asac | sure ... i cant ack a bug without id ;) | 16:01 |
| NCommander | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-themes-ubuntu/+bug/287354 | 16:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287354 in firefox-themes-ubuntu "Please remove firefox-themes-ubuntu from intrepid on all architecutres" [Undecided,New] | 16:02 |
| asac | NCommander: done. please subsribe archive admins | 16:03 |
| NCommander | :-) | 16:04 |
| NCommander | Package deaths are awesome | 16:04 |
| gnomefreak | asac: what am i overlooking in the links i gave you above? | 16:06 |
| asac | gnomefreak: that might be true | 16:08 |
| asac | gnomefreak: the locales/Makefile.in only builds timezone when AB_CD is empty | 16:08 |
| gnomefreak | ifeq ($(AB_CD),) | 16:11 |
| gnomefreak | DIRS = ../timezones | 16:11 |
| gnomefreak | endif | 16:11 |
| gnomefreak | that part? | 16:11 |
| gnomefreak | wait that would mean l10n might be the issue than? | 16:11 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yes. from that code it seems that timzones are only built when you build a build without specific locale | 16:12 |
| asac | ask in #calendar on how to achieve that | 16:12 |
| asac | gnomefreak: maybe look in the build log | 16:13 |
| asac | and see if you can find AB_CD= somewhere | 16:13 |
| asac | if thats non-zero it _might_ be the reason | 16:14 |
| gnomefreak | it doesnt have one :( | 16:15 |
| gnomefreak | build log that is | 16:15 |
| gnomefreak | build log would be mozilla dir? | 16:16 |
| gnomefreak | for some reason bzr-buildeb doesnt leave mozilla dir intact | 16:16 |
| asac | gnomefreak: you have to do --dont-purge | 16:17 |
| gnomefreak | i did | 16:17 |
| asac | gnomefreak: no build dir would be your build log | 16:17 |
| asac | gnomefreak: e.g. backlog in terminal or pipe the output in a file | 16:17 |
| asac | like bzr bd --merge --dont-purge --builder='debuild -b' 2>&1 | tee /tmp/build.log.txt | 16:17 |
| asac | gnomefreak: or if you sent it to ppa there should be the log | 16:17 |
| gnomefreak | i pushed it to ppa | 16:18 |
| gnomefreak | ah | 16:18 |
| asac | then look in that log | 16:18 |
| gnomefreak | do /usr/bin/perl ../../../config/preprocessor.pl -DAB_CD=en-US | 16:22 |
| gnomefreak | that? | 16:22 |
| asac | gnomefreak: not sure. | 16:22 |
| asac | gnomefreak: well | 16:22 |
| asac | look in config.statu | 16:22 |
| asac | s | 16:22 |
| asac | file in your local dir | 16:23 |
| asac | and see if there is AB_CD set | 16:23 |
| asac | gnomefreak: so when lightning is build ... maybe the .xpi is produced there? | 16:24 |
| asac | (e.g. not when subird, but when lightning gets build)= | 16:24 |
| gnomefreak | Stripping calendar-timezones package directory... | 16:25 |
| gnomefreak | ../../dist/xpi-stage/calendar-timezones | 16:25 |
| gnomefreak | Packaging calendar-timezones.xpi... | 16:25 |
| gnomefreak | thats from build log | 16:25 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yeah | 16:25 |
| asac | there you have your xpi | 16:25 |
| asac | so whats the problem? | 16:25 |
| asac | look how we deal with the lightning.xpi in rules | 16:25 |
| gnomefreak | if its there than why the hell doesnt sunbird run | 16:26 |
| * gnomefreak can care less about lightning (fix one the other should get fixed i would think | 16:26 | |
| asac | gnomefreak: because its not installed | 16:26 |
| asac | gnomefreak: we ignore that when packaging up but we should deal with it | 16:26 |
| asac | in a similar fashion as we deal with lightning.xpi | 16:27 |
| gnomefreak | no issue in 0.8 but issue in 0.9 is our fault? | 16:27 |
| asac | yes | 16:27 |
| asac | well | 16:28 |
| asac | we dont pack the timezones in a package | 16:28 |
| asac | thats our fault | 16:28 |
| asac | whether sunbird should refuse to start without that is a different question | 16:28 |
| gnomefreak | it starts with error and stays open you just cant do anything with it except close it | 16:29 |
| gnomefreak | im not sure why its dependant on tz shit at all | 16:29 |
| asac | gnomefreak: yeah | 16:29 |
| asac | gnomefreak: lets tackle the missing timezones first | 16:29 |
| asac | gnomefreak: common-install-arch:: | 16:29 |
| asac | in rules | 16:29 |
| asac | we should do something similar for the timezhones xpi | 16:29 |
| asac | we have to think about where to put that though | 16:30 |
| gnomefreak | any place i should put it or anywhere ;) | 16:30 |
| asac | most likely in /usr/lib/lightning-sunbird-addons/extensions/ | 16:30 |
| asac | and create a link for sunbird/extensions to that dir | 16:30 |
| asac | hmm | 16:30 |
| asac | a bit difficult i have to admit | 16:30 |
| asac | but still | 16:30 |
| asac | i think thats right | 16:30 |
| asac | lets look what we can do for lightning after that | 16:31 |
| gnomefreak | common-install-arch:: wher ein rules do i stick this? | 16:31 |
| gnomefreak | anywhere? | 16:31 |
| asac | gnomefreak: i will now run a few errands. please push your branch in the meantime so we can fix that tonoight | 16:31 |
| asac | gnomefreak: there is such a rule | 16:31 |
| asac | gnomefreak: look at that | 16:31 |
| gnomefreak | asac: its been pushed | 16:31 |
| asac | gnomefreak: look into rule ... there is common-install-arch already | 16:32 |
| asac | and we do something with lightnin g.xpi there | 16:32 |
| gnomefreak | bzr branch lp:~gnomefreak/sunbird/ubuntu-0.x | 16:32 |
| asac | we shoiuld do the same for the timezones xpi | 16:32 |
| asac | ok will look when back | 16:32 |
| * gnomefreak looking for it | 16:32 | |
| gnomefreak | ok i see it | 16:33 |
| gnomefreak | well i see both of them ;) | 16:34 |
| gnomefreak | ill be back as well | 16:35 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| gnomefreak | ok i think im back | 17:45 |
| === thunderstruck is now known as gnomefreak | ||
| gnomefreak | asac: im getting tired of this connection bullshit i will be back later today or tomorrow let me know what you decide(d) to do with sunbird. thanks for looking at it | 18:04 |
| Jazzva | asac, ping | 18:42 |
| shirish | asac: back | 19:14 |
| asac | shirish: Jazzva: pong pong | 19:17 |
| Jazzva | asac, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.mozilla-extensions ... That error is there since last night. | 19:19 |
| Jazzva | The local log (bzr log) looks good, and I pushed the changes. | 19:19 |
| Jazzva | If I do bzr push again, it reports there are no new changes. Should I try with --overwrite? Is there some other parameter? | 19:19 |
| asac | shirish: where would the nm page be linked from on https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/internet/C/index.html | 19:20 |
| asac | ? | 19:20 |
| asac | Jazzva: dump it and push again ;) | 19:20 |
| asac | oruse a different name :) | 19:21 |
| Jazzva | asac, how to dump it? | 19:21 |
| asac | Jazzva: delete? | 19:21 |
| Jazzva | oh... to dump the whole branch? | 19:21 |
| Jazzva | ok :) | 19:21 |
| Jazzva | thanks | 19:21 |
| asac | Jazzva: why not. its only for this change right? | 19:21 |
| asac | and its a "personal" branch ... so wiping it is fine | 19:21 |
| fabrice_sp | Jazzva: Hi :-) Is the Bug #285321 ok after my last modifications? | 19:22 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 285321 in itsalltext "[Intrepid] iceweasel-itsalltext: Depends: iceweasel (>= 2.0.0.3-1) but it is not installable" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285321 | 19:22 |
| Jazzva | i guess... I'll give you the bug link once I'm done... | 19:22 |
| Jazzva | fabrice_sp, I was sure I replied to that bug report that I made a mistake... the diff that I commented on is fine :)... | 19:23 |
| Jazzva | fabrice_sp, sorry for the mess... | 19:23 |
| Jazzva | fabrice_sp, yeah... I replied to RainCT and not to the bug report by mistake... I'll repost my comment. | 19:24 |
| fabrice_sp | Jazzva: thanks :-) | 19:24 |
| Jazzva | fabrice_sp, done. | 19:24 |
| Jazzva | np... sorry again | 19:24 |
| shirish | asac: yes, that would be nice | 19:28 |
| asac | shirish: i dont see anything for 8.10 there | 19:30 |
| asac | just 8.04 | 19:30 |
| shirish | asac: right, there should have been, but unfortunately is not there, that's what I was sharing on the mail the other night. Its so much outdated. | 19:31 |
| asac | shirish: hmm. but didnt someone else respond that he did this kind of general networking page for intrepid now=? | 19:33 |
| asac | shirish: otherwise i would suggest to reuse that. most things are ok ;) | 19:33 |
| asac | and use the networkmanager page for "detailed" information | 19:33 |
| asac | while giving the simple instructions for "normal" use in the greater document | 19:34 |
| shirish | asac: yes somebody did | 19:34 |
| shirish | asac: btw have put up that bug (which might well not be ) at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/287596 | 19:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287596 in network-manager "cannot get connectivity using /etc/network/interfaces" [Undecided,New] | 19:34 |
| shirish | I am bad at describing stuff. | 19:35 |
| shirish | :( | 19:35 |
| asac | at least i am not alone then ;) | 19:35 |
| asac | shirish: from syslog: "Oct 22 20:03:05 Mugglewille-desktop nm-system-settings: SCPlugin-Ifupdown: No dns-nameserver configured in /etc/network/interfaces | 19:37 |
| asac | " | 19:37 |
| asac | shirish: i think its dns-nameservers | 19:38 |
| asac | if dns-nameserver is supported by resolvconf too then thats a bug | 19:38 |
| shirish | asac: thought the same, so it should be "dns-nameservers" and not "dns-nameserver" am I right in reading that? | 19:40 |
| asac | shirish: according to man resolvconf only dns-nameservers is supported | 19:40 |
| shirish | ah ok | 19:40 |
| asac | yes | 19:40 |
| shirish | a single 's' | 19:40 |
| asac | shirish: just change that and sudo killall nm-system-settings to reload the config | 19:41 |
| shirish | asac: right will try that, bbiaw | 19:42 |
| shirish | asac: that one didn't work as well :( | 19:45 |
| shirish | lemme try once more, bbiam or two :) | 19:49 |
| shirish | still no show, I've just given up on things | 19:56 |
| shirish | my thing for static IP is that its supposed to be better for doing things such as file-sharing (think torrenting) | 19:57 |
| asac | shirish: well. this cant be really true ;) | 19:58 |
| asac | shirish: what is in your applet now? | 19:58 |
| shirish | asac: I have changed it all back to auto eth1 now, otherwise just couldn't connect. | 19:59 |
| asac | shirish: thats ok. are you running managed=true or =false now? | 20:00 |
| shirish | asac: managed is always true | 20:00 |
| asac | shirish: ok so what do you see in applet now? | 20:00 |
| shirish | in both the situations | 20:00 |
| shirish | now it shows fine. | 20:01 |
| asac | shirish: what is fine? | 20:01 |
| shirish | asac: meaning it doesn't show disconnected in the applet, that's it. | 20:01 |
| asac | shirish: is the static configuration properly used? | 20:01 |
| asac | shirish: is eth1 the right interface at all? | 20:01 |
| asac | eth0 seems more likely | 20:01 |
| shirish | asac: right, this is what it used to be previously, but somehow in the update/upgrade at some point they changed, dunno where or how or what | 20:02 |
| shirish | asac: eth0 used to be for Realtek and eth1 for Sis | 20:03 |
| shirish | asac: and now its reversed. | 20:03 |
| asac | ok | 20:03 |
| asac | shirish: so. if you look at the applet and click on it ... you have a Ifupdown (eth1) connection active? | 20:04 |
| shirish | asac: not anymore | 20:04 |
| asac | shirish: shirish then what are you seeing now? | 20:04 |
| shirish | asac: auto eth0 and auto eth1 and both have never greyed in front of them | 20:05 |
| asac | sorry cant parse it | 20:05 |
| shirish | auto eth0 never | 20:05 |
| asac | shirish: you are not in the applet drop down | 20:05 |
| asac | but in the conneciton editor | 20:05 |
| shirish | auto eth1 never | 20:05 |
| shirish | oops, ok now I know what u mean | 20:05 |
| shirish | asac: the button is on Auto eth1 | 20:06 |
| asac | shirish: do you see Ifupdown there? | 20:06 |
| shirish | everything else is greyed | 20:06 |
| shirish | asac: negative there | 20:06 |
| asac | negative ? | 20:06 |
| asac | yes or no ;) | 20:06 |
| shirish | asac: no ;) | 20:07 |
| asac | shirish: and nm-system-settings is running? | 20:07 |
| asac | (a process) | 20:07 |
| asac | shirish: is there a "unmanaged device" or something in the drop down? | 20:07 |
| shirish | asac: you want me to do a ps aux | grep nm-system-settings | 20:07 |
| shirish | asac: where should I be seeing this "unmanaged device" | 20:08 |
| shirish | asac: its now being managed by nm, I commented all the entries in /etc/network/interfaces except the loopback entries | 20:09 |
| shirish | asac: and then did the sudo killall nm-system-settings twice, it always needs twice to work. | 20:09 |
| shirish | asac: btw that nm-system-settings is working | 20:10 |
| shirish | root 10663 0.0 0.2 6776 2972 ? S 00:22 0:00 /usr/sbin/nm-system-settings --config /etc/NetworkManager/nm-system-settings.conf | 20:10 |
| asac | shirish: ok. can you remove the tabs from your interfaces? | 20:11 |
| asac | but enable the eth1 thing again? | 20:11 |
| asac | just make them in the same lines | 20:11 |
| asac | err colums :) | 20:11 |
| shirish | asac: this one went over me | 20:11 |
| asac | e.g. not | 20:11 |
| asac | iface eth0 .... | 20:12 |
| asac | netmask xxxxx | 20:12 |
| asac | but | 20:12 |
| asac | iface eth0 | 20:12 |
| asac | netmask xxxxx | 20:12 |
| shirish | ah, you mean without the indentation | 20:12 |
| shirish | asac: but should it be eth0, shouldn't it be eth1 (what dmesg says my ethernet card is at) | 20:13 |
| asac | shirish: you have to think too, yes. | 20:13 |
| asac | eth1 yes | 20:13 |
| asac | :-P | 20:13 |
| shirish | asac: ok cool, doing the same. | 20:13 |
| asac | shirish: doing the same? | 20:14 |
| shirish | asac: you want all of them in the same way they are, but without any indentation, right | 20:14 |
| shirish | asac: ^^ | 20:14 |
| asac | yes | 20:14 |
| asac | no indentation | 20:15 |
| shirish | asac: ok, then done | 20:15 |
| asac | then restart everything | 20:15 |
| asac | and describe what you see in the applet dropdown | 20:15 |
| shirish | without closing down pidgin? | 20:15 |
| asac | he? | 20:15 |
| asac | why? | 20:15 |
| asac | pidgin isnt important right now ;) | 20:16 |
| armin76 | bumb! | 20:16 |
| shirish | ok | 20:16 |
| shirish | now I got it, it was not just being selected | 20:16 |
| asac | shirish: do you have any tabs or something between the words in the lines? | 20:16 |
| shirish | dumb, dumb | 20:16 |
| asac | shirish: well. if you have a auto eth1 line too | 20:17 |
| shirish | asac: no :) | 20:17 |
| asac | it should auto connect there | 20:17 |
| shirish | asac: right, but it doesn't it seems. | 20:17 |
| asac | shirish: so what are you seeing now? | 20:17 |
| asac | lets finish this now ... we have spend too much time to not go to the end from here ;) | 20:18 |
| asac | i mean: lets go on ;) | 20:18 |
| asac | shirish: so what are you seeing? ;) | 20:18 |
| asac | in the applet drop down | 20:18 |
| shirish | asac: it was first disconnected, then clicked on it, it showed button in neither | 20:18 |
| shirish | asac: then I clicked on ifupdown (eth1) to choose it | 20:19 |
| asac | shirish: sorry cant parse that ;) "showed button in neither" ... what is a button? | 20:19 |
| asac | shirish: ok. thats ok. can you please restart NM? | 20:19 |
| asac | e.g. sudo /etc/init.d/NetworkManager restart | 20:19 |
| asac | and see if it auto connects? | 20:19 |
| shirish | asac: know it, lemme do it. | 20:19 |
| asac | (of course you need auto eth1 in intrerfaces) | 20:19 |
| asac | please double check that | 20:19 |
| asac | hmm long time off .... most likely not good ;) | 20:22 |
| shirish | asac: had to revert back to eth1 | 20:22 |
| shirish | asac: first thing, NM didn't auto connect | 20:22 |
| shirish | asac: then pidgin wouldn't connect | 20:23 |
| asac | shirish: well pidgin doesnt connect if NM doesnt that for sure | 20:23 |
| asac | shirish: had to revert back to eth1? | 20:23 |
| asac | what does that mean=? | 20:23 |
| shirish | asac: meaning now it says auto eth1 | 20:23 |
| asac | shirish: there is no Ifupdown anymore? | 20:23 |
| shirish | asac: meaning commented again everything in /etc/network/interfaces | 20:24 |
| asac | why? | 20:24 |
| asac | it worked if not having auto | 20:24 |
| asac | that doesnt make sense ;) | 20:24 |
| shirish | asac: yup, that was before, ok hang on, lemme do it once more | 20:24 |
| shirish | asac: although that time we hadn't restarted NM | 20:24 |
| shirish | just nm-system-settings | 20:24 |
| asac | shirish: well. that doesnt matter | 20:24 |
| asac | restarting NM wsa just to test autoconnect | 20:25 |
| asac | ok testing too | 20:26 |
| shirish | asac: back, tried again, didn't work, had to revert back to eth1, commenting everything except the loopback entries in /etc/network/interfaces | 20:29 |
| shirish | asac: can put this as well as the pidgin debug log if you want in the bug | 20:30 |
| asac | shirish: no pidgin doesnt matter at all | 20:30 |
| shirish | asac: ok cool. | 20:30 |
| asac | shirish: no clue then. at best go to managed=false | 20:30 |
| shirish | asac: basically wasn't able to ping anyone, tried pinging as well, got unknown host | 20:30 |
| asac | and remove everything from interfaces | 20:31 |
| asac | you can still configure static IPs in NM | 20:31 |
| asac | i need to be able to reproduce it | 20:31 |
| asac | it does work here whatever i do | 20:31 |
| shirish | asac: understand that, absolutely | 20:31 |
| shirish | asac: any idea where or how the eth0 got renamed to eth1 and vice-versa, anyway that could be changed? | 20:32 |
| shirish | asac: this happened from hardy to Intrepid transition | 20:32 |
| asac | shirish: thats because of hal or udev or driver or kernel | 20:32 |
| asac | shirish: in fact thats why NM doesnt use eth1 and eth0 | 20:33 |
| asac | because its not a static name | 20:33 |
| shirish | asac: right | 20:33 |
| asac | another reason why ifupdown as it is in ubuntu now isnt great ;) | 20:33 |
| asac | well. its ok ... but not in this particular case ;) | 20:33 |
| shirish | asac: right | 20:33 |
| asac | shirish: you have to live with it or write some udev rule to rename stuff. but i cant help you on that ;) | 20:33 |
| asac | shirish: actually if you dont configure stuff in interfaces it shouldnt affect you anymore | 20:34 |
| asac | NM handles it fine | 20:34 |
| shirish | asac: I will live with that, as it is I have taken quite a bit of your time. | 20:34 |
| asac | no problem | 20:34 |
| asac | i would have loved to see the reason whats going on | 20:34 |
| shirish | asac: welcome anytime you are in India :) | 20:34 |
| asac | but from what i understand it works properly on your side, but its just that you dont know what to expect ;) | 20:34 |
| asac | as strange as it sounds :) | 20:35 |
| shirish | right | 20:35 |
| shirish | asac: the whole idea of the icon is that it reassures me that I'm connected | 20:35 |
| asac | shirish: well | 20:36 |
| shirish | asac: if I make it managed=false I lose the icon | 20:36 |
| asac | shirish: thats hard to guess in fact | 20:36 |
| asac | shirish: no you dont loose it | 20:36 |
| asac | shirish: you just must not configure your stuff in interfaces then | 20:36 |
| asac | flip to managed=false now ... ensure that just lo is in interfaces and all should be fine for you | 20:36 |
| shirish | asac: right done that | 20:37 |
| shirish | ok back online. would be adding today's experiments and learning in the bug as well. | 20:40 |
| shirish | asac: thank you for your time and effort. | 20:40 |
| shirish | asac: one last thing, you didn't tell when you see this ifupdown mess being solved? | 20:42 |
| asac | shirish: i dont know. first i have to understand what the problems are | 20:43 |
| asac | shirish: i understood that you are mainly confused when NM icon shows offline | 20:44 |
| shirish | asac: right, can you give me some link/s to read about ifupdown | 20:44 |
| asac | but you are in fact online | 20:44 |
| shirish | asac: how is that possible? | 20:44 |
| asac | shirish: the applet isnt god :) | 20:44 |
| asac | nor is NM | 20:45 |
| shirish | asac: when i'm not able to ping anyone or even not ping 192.168.1.1 it means not connected | 20:45 |
| asac | the current hack makes NM send out "CONNECTED" when it sees an unmanaged device | 20:45 |
| asac | so apps should do it properly | 20:45 |
| asac | but applet guesses state from what it sees on individual devices | 20:45 |
| asac | shirish: yes. thats true | 20:45 |
| asac | shirish: but thats the dns issue | 20:45 |
| asac | which you mix up | 20:45 |
| shirish | asac: ah, that's something different | 20:46 |
| asac | first you were disconnected for real | 20:46 |
| asac | then you believed what applet showed you | 20:46 |
| asac | actually: | 20:46 |
| shirish | asac: one sec, one sec, my router is not disconnected, its the connection between the computer and the router | 20:46 |
| asac | 1st. confused -> set to managed=true | 20:46 |
| asac | 2nd. no dns-nameserver entry -> NM wipes resolv.conf | 20:46 |
| asac | 3rd. setup iface again -> still no dns server because resolv.conf was wiped -> really offline | 20:47 |
| asac | i only talk about your computer yes. | 20:47 |
| asac | nothing above is about your router | 20:47 |
| shirish | asac: ok cool, pleae go on | 20:47 |
| shirish | please | 20:47 |
| asac | 4th. confused -> trying various things in resolv.conf not looking in the applet at all -> confused -> no connection attempt made | 20:48 |
| asac | 5th. not sure what next ;) | 20:48 |
| shirish | asac: never touched anything in resolv.conf | 20:48 |
| asac | well ... now you are connected | 20:48 |
| asac | shirish: i didnt say that either :) | 20:48 |
| shirish | asac: yup and that's what counts | 20:48 |
| shirish | asac: btw just one of the random things why having static matters http://www.driverheaven.net/motherboards-networking-misc-forum/150381-dhcp-lease-time-question.html | 20:49 |
| asac | shirish: you _CAN_ do static in NM | 20:50 |
| asac | shirish: you should know that when documenting the ip4settings tab in connection editor | 20:50 |
| shirish | asac: that's why left till there, because I know what used to be, now don't know how things work anymore. | 20:51 |
| shirish | asac: sorry. | 20:51 |
| shirish | asac: for me to do that, I need to have done that | 20:53 |
| shirish | asac: had a break (sort of), renamed and added static settings for the connection | 20:58 |
| asac | shirish: yeah. | 20:58 |
| asac | shirish: if you want that that connection gets auto started even without logging in you have to make a "system setting" out of it | 20:59 |
| shirish | asac: did it, clicked on "system settings" and did it. | 21:00 |
| asac | yeah | 21:00 |
| shirish | asac: so now know what to document in the ipv4 settings, the only thing unknown there is the routes thing, but that perhaps would be something to tackle later. | 21:01 |
| asac | shirish: have you been asked for password? | 21:01 |
| asac | shirish: thats clearly "advanced" | 21:01 |
| shirish | asac: nope, didn't ask for password | 21:01 |
| asac | shirish: its enough to say: if you have a sophisticated setup you might want to manually setup your routes... to do that open this and that;) | 21:01 |
| shirish | asac: I have read bug-reports which tell that it doesn't ask for administrator password. | 21:01 |
| asac | shirish: you should check whether your connection is really still there and really still a system setting after reboot | 21:02 |
| shirish | asac: can do that now, if you hang around, can let you know as well. | 21:02 |
| asac | shirish: usually it should add. but it also might be that you have said "remember password" once | 21:02 |
| asac | i have to restart anyway ;) | 21:03 |
| shirish | asac: "remember password" where in Network-manager ? | 21:03 |
| shirish | asac: hang on | 21:03 |
| shirish | asac: my router does all authentication for my ISP | 21:03 |
| shirish | asac: as far as sudo authentication, that's manual everywhere. | 21:03 |
| shirish | asac: that's about it from my side, see you in a while. | 21:04 |
| shirish | asac: lemme know when you are back | 21:13 |
| shirish | asac: now I have option between shirish and auto eth1 on my network-manager | 21:14 |
| shirish | that I guess is enough for the day, another day :) | 21:16 |
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