[00:02] ok [00:02] I think I'll hold it until seeing what else blows up that would require a rebuild :) [00:04] slangasek: server rebuild is ok by me - the server team seems on top of the testing [00:25] * heno starts an ubuntu 64 expert install (the other installs are I/O limited ATM) [00:35] LTSP failed [00:35] same reason, I'm making sure we have the fixed package in [00:36] remind me which package that was? It's been hours now [00:36] I've entirely forgotten : [00:36] the ltsp udeb I'd think [00:36] ltsp-client-builder [00:37] it's not the latest on the cd ... [00:37] don't you need to do something in order to have d-i pick up a new udeb ? [00:37] hmm, in fact none of the ltsp packages are the latest [00:37] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/intrepid-alternate-i386.list [00:37] says ubuntu2 [00:38] and rmadison says ubuntu3 [00:38] so looks like the alternate was rebuilt before ubuntu3 reached the archive [00:38] heno: last time, there was a web page for tracking all the post-freeze packages accepted, for regression-testing; do we have something like that this time? [00:39] stgraber: er, that's very strange; especially considering it lists gnome-terminal as out-of-date too, and that's what I used to trigger the build [00:39] (i.e., http://paste.ubuntu.com/60638/) [00:39] slangasek: yeah but I did a quick check and ubuntu3 is what's now on the archive and the file listing of the Cd shows ubuntu2 [00:39] slangasek: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO/FixValidation [00:39] so something went wrong [00:40] stgraber: I absolutely agree that something went wrong, I just don't understand how or why [00:40] should we mark all alternates as broken and needing rebuild ? [00:40] no [00:41] http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogasawara/weatherreport.html tells you which ones need a rebuild [00:42] how do you guys feel about me accepting a kernel then, and you can start clean in the morning? [00:42] stgraber: could you test ltsp on kub i386 atl which seems to be current? [00:43] heno: does kubuntu has ltsp now ? [00:43] slangasek: just for the CD-drawer bounce bug or is there more? [00:44] heno: there are packages in unapproved right now to fix bugs #285572 and #285779 [00:44] looks like it has (at least the packages and the udeb), I'll need 2 hours to download the ISO though so I'd prefer someone else trying it [00:44] I'll try to manually apply the patch from ubuntu3 on my current install [00:44] ok [00:45] slangasek: how many ISO would that be, just Ubuntu alt or do you want to rebuild more (for the kernel thing) ? [00:46] heno: so the CD-drawer fix is also not included here yet [00:47] stgraber: if we do the kernel, it's a full-spectrum rebuild [00:47] I only found out about bug #285572 after we'd started the last round of rebuilds, otherwise I probably would've delayed for it [00:48] slangasek: right, those bugs look more deserving [00:48] and the kernel isn't built yet at all so that's : kernel build time + publishing + building new images ? [00:48] I assume we're getting the xorg part of the fix too then [00:48] heno: correct [00:48] stgraber: yes - but you guys can sleep through that part :) [00:49] if we decide before 00:03, I can guaranteeably control the timing such that everything will be ready for you guys in the morning [00:49] slangasek: there's a fix for the cd-drawer thing? [00:49] sbeattie: not that I see [00:49] hence, we don't have it ;) [00:49] hwh [00:49] heh, even [00:50] slangasek: define "morning": what time zone ? [00:50] ok, I'm not sure we can guarantee a Thursday morning release at this rate ;) but those bugs look grave enough [00:50] stgraber: morning UTC... oh, did you say you're in Canada now? [00:50] slangasek: yeah [00:50] ok, well [00:50] I would also rather minimise post RC changes [00:50] exactly [00:51] I guess if RC is late thursday, that should be fine [00:51] sbeattie: no, it's just me getting groggy :) [00:51] if you plan to release thursday morning western time, there may be a problem [00:52] personally, I'm confident that we can rally the resources to get the RC out on Thursday European time; doesn't have to be in the morning, though preferably while London is still in the office [00:52] btw, I'm in London all Friday so won't be able to test much [00:52] but since a lot of that "rallying" depends on you guys, I'd like to know if you think I'm wrong :) [00:52] my test box is not very portable :) [00:53] this schedule also allows me to get some testing in this evening, before turning things over to Europe again [00:53] well, I will be stuck in meetings all tomorrow morning but can likely free some time in the afternoon for ISO testing, then I still have the evening to finish with the remaining tests [00:53] heno: use kvm -vnc and a VPN access to your box :) [00:54] slangasek: WFM - but the kernel team have now burned all their testing slack ;) [00:54] heno: absolutely :) [00:54] ok, here goes everything [00:55] ok, so let's rebuild the world :) And hope nothing breaks because I doubt we can afford one more rebuild after that :) [00:55] slangasek: and 3g connection in the car, sure will do :) [00:55] ok, I'll wander off to bed then [00:55] You're rebuilding xubuntu too? [00:55] stgraber: that's the other point, to be sure - are you guys comfortable with what's tested so far, that we shouldn't have any more break-the-world showstoppers? [00:55] charlie-tca: yes [00:56] slangasek: Ubuntu server looks good (I did two installs), so does Alternate (except LTSP that will be fixed with ubuntu3), I also had a friend install Desktop without any problem. So yes it looks good [01:00] agreed, AFAICT it looks good [01:01] ok, accepting packages [01:03] I'm testing the ltsp fix by hand at the moment, just to make sure we didn't forget something. But the fix looks good and should fix the issue. [01:05] ok, great [01:06] would be something like the first time we have an Intrepid with LTSP installing from the CD :) [01:09] stgraber: you said that you're bandwidth-starved today; are there images it would be useful to you to get at yet this evening? [01:09] (where in Canada, BTW? Montreal?) [01:10] I'm 90mi from Montreal [01:10] the internet at work is fast so I have a copy of Ubuntu alternate, Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu server and I just rsync the diff [01:10] so testing anything else will take hours to download [01:11] ok [01:11] so is it useful to you if I can deliver the Ubuntu images first tonight, or are you looking at tomorrow for all of your testing regardless? [01:12] if you can get something relatively soon (let's say 3-4 hours) I can test them [01:12] 4h is in the realm of possibility [01:14] heno: have a good night :) [01:14] seems to work, LTSP didn't crash at the usual place :) [01:17] thanks. have a nice evening in the western hemisphere :) [01:23] ok, install finished correctly with the LTSP fix [02:56] stgraber: I see that the linux kernel builds average over 2 hours; so this won't be done before that 4-hour mark, after all [03:00] and it's on the builder now ? [03:00] yes [03:03] Whoo, Xubuntu LiveCd passed manual install [05:18] anyone tried a kubuntu i386 oem install? [05:18] it seems to hang at a black xorg screen when i try to reboot into the oem bit after the install [05:18] i am reinstalling again to see if it was just a fluke [05:46] grr [05:46] it did it again [05:46] i'll just mark as failed and riddell can examine it [05:49] calc: fwiw, I'm in the process of rerolling all images; sorry, I see now that you just joined the channel, and I haven't marked them invalid on the tracker, so you probably didn't know [05:50] oh ok [05:50] calc: kubuntu alternate will be among the first images to post in the re-run, but they're still at least a half hour out [05:50] ok [05:50] so far it seems to work fine except for the oem install part [05:52] yes, there are no major failures that we know of with kubuntu alternate (except for ltsp), the rebuild is to pull in some more release-critical fixes while there's still time [05:52] ok [05:52] well it seems oem install is completely broken, or something weird is happening in my vmware [05:53] X comes up but its just a black screen [05:56] well, kubuntu desktop got successful reports with OEM mode [05:56] so, I dunno [05:58] ok, yea this was for kubuntu alternate i386 [05:58] in vmware 6.5 [05:58] vmware 6.5 is a bit weird wrt keyboard anyway [05:59] i had to use xkeymap.nokeycodeMap = "TRUE" [05:59] to get it to work right for me [06:25] calc: fresh kubuntu alternates posted, if you care to resync [06:25] resyncing already :) [06:26] cool [06:26] made a script to pull all the kubuntu/ubuntu images via rsync [06:26] slangasek: ubuntu too ? [06:26] so i wouldn't have to do it manually anymore :) [06:26] stgraber: yes [06:26] slangasek, During your reroll-everything effort, are you also rerolling MID and Mobile, or shall that be organised in parallel? [06:26] ok, rsyncing then [06:28] persia: I haven't scheduled those; I'm a bit fuzzy on what my role is supposed to be as far as managing Mobile/MID builds, but if you need me to push buttons to trigger a rebuild I'm happy to do so [06:28] (though it will be several hours before the livefs buildds have quiesced) [06:30] slangasek, I can bug someone else to push the trigger. I'm a bit fuzzy on what needs to happen when adding new official flavours, and this will be the first release for both of these. [06:31] slangasek, Do you know of any special registration that needs doing to get them to follow the same rough procedues as Xubuntu, Mythbuntu, or Ubuntu Studio? [06:32] well, to let you know where I am, I think that's the first semi-official statement I've heard that they're releasing as part of 8.10, rather than based on it [06:33] in the past, the process seems to be "let the RM know you're releasing together, integrate yourself into the alpha series, and go" [06:33] Ah. I seem to have missed the "let the RM know" part. My apologies. [06:34] looks like 48MB updates [06:34] and since we didn't integrate these into the alpha series, that leaves a lot of unanswered questions we'll need to answer quickly, like where we're going to host the images, how we link to them in the announcements, ... [06:34] hosting is at cdimage.ubuntu.com announcements would probably best link to a wiki page (we're drafting release notes this week). [06:35] ok [06:35] I'll go poke people about releases.ubuntu.com, and see what I can find. You make me thing several steps have been missed, of which I was unaware. [06:35] s/thing/think/ [06:36] yeah... I knew there was a statement of intent to be better based on the archive for releases, but I didn't have a clear concept of where you were in that process :) [06:36] though all the new images aren't correctly integrated in the tracker yet as that would have required a code update [06:36] so no rsync/http/md5sum for these [06:37] * slangasek nods [06:37] Yeah. Unfortunately, the images didn't work reliably until just around beta, which was my main motivation for not trying to add them to the tracker. [06:38] Is there a document somewhere that outlines the many things that need to be done? [06:38] no [06:39] it's not something that's been done often enough yet to get a document :) [06:39] That makes sense :) [06:40] I've heard plans for Kubuntu Mobile (and maybe also MID) for Jaunty, so I've certainly an interest in putting a checklist together to reduce confusion next cycle on that side. [06:42] is it at all likely that some of these would converge with the CD livefs down the line? [06:42] that would save build time, as we start to add more flavors... [06:43] It is extremely likely that all of them would converge with the same image building tools. The existence of usb-creator makes it less important to have a USB image. [06:43] That just didn't get released early enough to make the change for intrepid. [06:44] hold on did ubuntu desktop get respun also? [06:44] i don't see updated tests for it [06:45] I've just received confirmation that images are planned to be hosted at releases.ubuntu.com for Mobile and MID. [06:45] calc: everything's being respun; everything with a date stamp < 20081022 is being superseded [06:45] persia: ok. has anyone worked out the directory structure for that? i.e., does publish-release know what to do with them? [06:46] slangasek, Maybe, and very unlikely. [06:47] slangasek: ok [06:47] so is RC still happening tomorrow? [06:47] Thursday [06:47] ah yea its wed here already :) [06:47] depending on whether that's "tomorrow" to you :) [06:48] the rest of the alternates have posted now [06:48] all the alternates can post in the time it takes for one livefs build :P [06:49] ah [07:43] yeah, alternate is good [08:00] * stgraber starts Ubuntu alt 64bit and goes to sleep [08:02] 'night! [08:36] Good Morning Everybody [08:39] hi davmor2! [08:47] * davmor2 starts with Xubuntu Alt === mvo_ is now known as mvo [09:39] davmor2: ubuntu desktop posted [09:40] slangasek: Cool :) === mdz_ is now known as mdz [09:53] morning [09:53] heno: morning [09:54] desktops should be trickling through now [09:54] I got xubuntu Alt running now [09:55] ok, good. all alternates are ready? [09:56] was there some additional reason to rebuild desktops than the kernel? [09:56] no the livefs screwed up so it got delayed :( [09:57] it's the rebuilds from yesterday [09:57] as far as I know anyway [09:59] ok, cool [10:02] correct - the screw-up was a hung livefs buildd that took a bit to sort out [10:03] but kubuntu desktop should be along in the next half hour; xubuntu desktop a bit after that; then the DVDs last [10:22] kubuntu desktop up === asac__ is now known as asac [11:00] slangasek: so that's all the cd images back up now yes? [11:00] CDs, yes [11:00] DVDs are still in progress [11:00] cool [11:01] * wgrant rsyncs. [11:01] someone needs to invent a technology to make DVDs take no longer than CDs to build [11:01] slangasek: Use The Rails Solution. [11:02] wgrant: lie down on them and wait for the train? [11:02] slangasek: I was thinking of throwing more hardware at it, but that works too. [11:02] or just hit them with rails :) [11:15] * davmor2 readies vista and xp for wubi and m-a testing [11:49] * davmor2 starts wubi testing [11:58] Hmmm. Are the two added applications menu items (Orca and System Cleaner) really meant to be in their own categories? [11:58] And should System Cleaner lack its icons? [12:06] system cleaner does not have an icon (at least not yet), and it's moving to system/administration [12:07] liw: It also has a rather generic image in its top left corner, looking like it's missing some other image. [12:10] wgrant, that's the image gnome uses when the app does not specify anything else; unlike everyone else in the world, I don't think that's a problem, but I'll add an icon if someone makes one [12:10] (Me, I think the abundance of icons for every little thing is a problem, not the lack of icons :) [12:11] liw: I don't mean the icon in the decorations. I mean the icon in the top left corner of the window. [12:14] wgrant, yes. [12:15] liw: Why is it there if there's no icon? [12:16] wgrant, as a placeholder until someone makes one [12:16] * heno takes ubuntu 64 bit alternate [12:17] * slangasek starts syncing xubuntu amd64 desktop [12:18] but I won't test it 'til the morning [12:18] morning [12:18] stgraber: hi again :) [12:19] even managed to sleep 4 hours, not so bad :) [12:36] I want to test something. Anything in particular need of attention? [12:37] liw: everything :) all new cds :) [12:39] [22:25] * Hobbsee expects to do entire disk, auto-resize, & live sesion, and maybe an oem session if i can figure out how to do that. [12:39] (for i386 ubuntu) [12:40] liw: studio or xubuntu perhaps? [12:40] liw: I'll do Ubuntu server both arch in an hour or so [12:41] I'll do kub 64bit alt next [12:41] I'll start on Xubuntu amd64 then [12:41] liw: live alt is done :) [12:43] i386 live looks good for me. [12:43] davmor2: live alt? Aren't they mutually exclusive? [12:43] davmor2, "live alt"? [12:43] test desktop. Alt is finished [13:13] morning all :-) [13:14] morning ara! [13:14] * Hobbsee starts testing [13:14] morning [13:14] morning Hobbsee :-) [13:14] morning davmor2 === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:15] hmmm. is the RC *supposed* to work on virtualbox? [13:16] * ara starts testing ubuntu desktop i386 [13:16] ara: oh darn, tha'ts what I was doing. Which tests are you running? [13:16] Hobbsee: no worries, I'll go for alternate [13:16] :) [13:16] ara: cool. I don't have that one downloaded :) [13:18] oh wow, i like the new partition thing! [13:18] * heno starts kub alt 64 expert install [13:23] *** DVD images are up *** [13:23] * heno presses the rsync button === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [13:33] davmor2: that was a quick lunch indeed! [13:33] too much to test just went and eat :) [13:44] * stgraber is done with Ubuntu server (amd64 and i386), going to some remaining tests on Alternate now [13:46] wow...so that's waht orca does. [13:46] what is Hobbsee? [13:47] BUGabundo_work: screen reader and such [13:47] yep [13:48] don't test auto resize on ubuntu I need to do it for migration-assistant [13:49] davmor2: for which? [13:49] desktop [13:49] both 32 and 64 bit [13:49] oh [13:51] well, having two people test the same case is not a disaster [13:51] having a working X would also not be a disaster *sigh* [13:51] that's true, i haven't started the test yet [13:52] doubling up on a few images can be a good idea [13:52] esp on different hw [13:52] * heno takes a short break [13:52] yeah, that's true. I think i'll do a manual partitioning on real HW, assuming the machine doesn't catch fire. [13:52] i'd be interestedto see if it picks up the atheros card. [13:54] * Hobbsee scratches head [13:54] Hobbsee: it should pick it up [13:54] so, if i've gone from http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/2093/5, how do I get back to the whole list of tests for that iso? [13:54] clicking on Ubuntu Desktop i386 seems to just give me info on how to download ig [13:54] Hobbsee, I use tabs... [13:56] Hobbsee: click on the tab under it for testcase [13:56] davmor2: which one? [13:56] liw: i usually do, but i forgot :( [13:57] Hobbsee: Do you want the testcase or do you want to know what other tests are available? [13:57] Hobbsee: use the breadcrumbs on top [13:57] davmor2: the latter. I [13:58] Hobbsee: QA Tracker -> Test list -> Result list [13:58] oh. [13:58] Hobbsee: click on Test list [13:58] click on result list [13:58] right. got it, thanks. [13:58] or test list [13:58] how do i do an oem setup? [13:59] Hobbsee: hit f4 on the welcome screen and select oem [14:00] davmor2: oh, i see, thanks [14:02] * ara takes xubuntu i386 desktop [14:06] I'm having trouble with Xubuntu's auto-resize (from live cd): the disk had a previous xubuntu installation on it, and the auto-resize complains it can't make enough free space on the system for a new installation; should that work? [14:07] liw: if you don't change the value? [14:07] oh, wait, different bug, nvm. [14:07] Hobbsee, what value? size of new partition? how do I change it? [14:08] liw: drag the slider? [14:08] oh, there's a widget hiding in there [14:08] yeah [14:08] that's not entirely hard to miss... [14:08] i know... [14:09] ubiquity would be the responsible package, I guess (filing bug) [14:12] liw: actually, i think i'm hitting your bug now [14:12] which one of my many bugs? [14:13] [00:06] I'm having trouble with Xubuntu's auto-resize (from live cd): the disk had a previous xubuntu installation on it, and the auto-resize complains it can't make enough free space on the system for a new installation; should that work? [14:13] I got past that after using the slider [14:13] oh. Then you hit the bug that i'm just reporting, i think. [14:13] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/287546 [14:13] Launchpad bug 287546 in ubiquity "ubiquity's partition resize option has a near-invisible slider" [Undecided,New] [14:14] although that seems to refer to thecurrent system, not theone about to be installed. [14:14] liw: right [14:15] liw: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/287546 is what i reported. [14:15] Launchpad bug 287546 in ubiquity "ubiquity's partition resize option has a near-invisible slider" [Undecided,New] [14:15] Hobbsee, does one of us have an identity crisis? [14:16] liw: sorry, 54*7*, not 6. [14:16] * Hobbsee smacks her copy key [14:17] Hobbsee, right, different bug, but same place [14:17] liw: yes [14:22] davmor2: i've marked autoresize on i386 ubuntu desktop as a fail - would be interestedin seeing what your results are [14:28] Hobbsee: Pass on both counts I'm just check the file transfers [14:30] davmor2: interesting. I'll retry tomorrow [14:31] the quit button doesn't seem to work on ubiquity either. [14:31] * stgraber takes Ubuntu desktop i386 OEM + manual [14:32] oh, darn, i'm on the wrong bit of it [14:36] Whose doing what now? [14:36] i've added mine, i'm out for the night [14:37] anyone doing xubuntu desktops? [14:37] davmor2, I am [14:37] (amd64) [14:38] and ara is on i386 [14:38] * davmor2 takes studio [14:40] anyone got any tv cards? if so can you have a look at mythbuntu? [14:42] Xubuntu Desktop amd64 *done* [14:47] hmm, mythbuntu and studio will want to test audio, right? [14:48] liw: I would think so :) [14:48] I can't touch those, then. [14:51] Anyone on Kubuntu alt ? or should I take them [14:51] i'd be interested to konw ifquit doesn't, on other ISO's. [14:51] (for ubiquity) [14:52] * liw starts on "Upgrade Ubuntu amd64" and "Upgrade Server amd64" [14:53] * ara is installing xubuntu in Georgian to test ubiquity UTF-8 support [14:53] * ara thanks she knows by heart ubiquity screens :-) [14:55] anyone saw: http://www.stgraber.org/download/langpack-notify.png ? [14:56] stgraber, I think mvo is fixing that (based on #ubuntu-devel discussions), can you check with him? [14:56] that's when enabling the french langpack on top of an english install (OEM install in english, then french in the user creation assistant, then enabling the missing packages using language support) [14:56] stgraber: I did yesterday but then was told the cd's were being respun haven't seen it today [14:56] davmor2: that's with today's [15:01] stgraber: mine was on a standard english install [15:01] ok, so not linked to OEM, good [15:05] * stgraber takes Kubuntu alternate i386: export + entire disk + entire disk with encryption [15:09] liw: did you succeed with the kubuntu resize installation? it is failing for me on virtualbox. I will try on hw now [15:09] ara, I was doing xubuntu, not kubuntu, but yes, it worked [15:10] liw: I meant xubuntu [15:10] liw: ok, I'll try on hw [15:17] ara: worked for me on netboot too [15:19] davmor2: ok, thanks :) [15:20] ara: and alternate thinking about it :) [15:20] * liw goes out to have a bit of food, back in a bit [15:26] who works on ubuntustudio? [15:33] ogra: LTSP works !!! (first time since Intrepid development started IIRC) [15:33] YAY !°!! [15:33] :) \o/ [15:33] finally [15:34] stgraber, thats not ture btw, at least one apckage iteration worked when i was at the ahckfest [15:34] *package ... hackfest [15:34] for a day or two ... before i broke it again :) [15:34] so mythubuntu installs and runs,though I cannot confirm that it's doing the right thing [15:35] autoresize has been working for me in kvm [15:36] anyone on Ubuntu studio ? [15:36] yes just started but I need some info on it so I need to know who works on it [15:37] TheMuso works on studio [15:41] heno: I think ubuntustudio may need a respin [15:42] davmor2: what's up? I can have a look [15:43] no backdrop, gl screensavers listed under system tools, no office stuff (not sure if that is correct) [15:45] davmor2: what options did you install, just the desktop? [15:45] all of them [15:45] not sure it should have desktop tools [15:45] ok [15:45] did it have gimp, blender and such? [15:46] everything seems to of installed it just seems broken [15:48] no email client either [15:49] you might have to sing your mails :) [15:49] ok, trying a basic install now [15:50] heno: when I did this install with beta everything looked fine. [15:55] davmor2: ok, I'll have a quick look and if that's equally broken we'll request a respin [15:55] of course the issues will need fixing first :) [15:56] you're right of course :) [15:56] * heno kicks off a kub alt 64 oem install [15:57] * davmor2 quits on ubuntustudio for the time being [16:09] uhm, OEM doesn't work with Kubuntu (from Alternate) [16:09] first boot is ok, then it reboots and I don't get the oem assistant [16:10] stgraber: that's an old bug that got fixed once. Looks like it got broke again :( [16:10] heno: tell me your result, just to make sure it's not something specifc to my setup [16:11] stgraber: you on hardware? [16:11] nope, kvm (that was kubuntu alt i386) [16:13] burns cd to try it on hw [16:18] * davmor2 rsyncing for dvd's [16:23] stgraber: in progress. Is the OEM assistant in the menu somewhere? [16:23] you should have an icon on the desktop, then it'll tell you you need to reboot [16:24] the assistant is supposed to start after reboot [16:27] stgraber: right. I'm asking because some time ago the install icon itself was missing from the kub desktop but it worked fine from an entry in the menu - though this might be similar [16:27] has anyone tested kub desktop oem? [16:27] actually I can look that up :) [16:28] tracker says 'no' [16:30] my ubuntu oem tests were fine, fwiw [16:30] mine too [16:31] stgraber: about halt way through the install now [16:32] is here still resyncing though [16:32] heno: so did the kubuntu oem install work for you? [16:32] heno: for me it just showed a black screen after rebooting into the oem-config-prepare thing [16:32] calc: mine isn't complete yet [16:32] calc: didn't for me (using alternate), same thing that you describe [16:32] heno: i tested alternate install though [16:32] stgraber: ok good, i thought i was breaking it somehow :) [16:33] stgraber: i ran through it twice before reporting it to verify i didn't do something wrong [16:33] I'll try kub desktop oem on a different box [16:34] running short on IO juice here ... [16:34] i am using vmware 6.5 for test installs here, so i don't know if it has any effect on it [16:34] calc: mine was in KVM [16:34] stgraber: ok [16:34] stgraber: is there a bug open about this issue already? i can add my info to it if so [16:39] calc: nope, I was waiting for someone to confirm it first (to be sure it wasn't a chair<->keyboard interface problem) [16:39] desktop up now stgraber [16:41] stgraber: ok [16:41] yea it would be good to get confirmation on real hardware since both failures so far were on VMs [16:41] calc: feel free to report one, I'm in a meeting at the moment [16:42] reboot [16:42] what do we report the bugs against kubuntu-meta ? [16:43] ah i found the reporting tab [16:43]