| bryce | tjaalton: in #271138 you suggested xserver-xorg should depend on -evdev; I've committed this change, but am not 100% sure that's the correct fix? | 00:12 |
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| wgrant | I think it needs a Really-Really-Really-Recommends. | 00:21 |
| bryce | heya wgrant | 00:21 |
| bryce | ideas on #276857? | 00:21 |
| wgrant | Lovely. | 00:23 |
| wgrant | I've seen a fair bit of that on ubuntuforums, but I presumed it was the hal race... | 00:23 |
| bryce | something's going bad in libhal | 00:35 |
| bryce | yeah looks like inside libhal, one of the dbus calls is not working properly | 00:59 |
| bryce | so probably not an xorg issue | 00:59 |
| tjaalton | bryce: shouldn't matter if the kbd-lovers have evdev installed ;) | 07:24 |
| bryce | tjaalton: referring to #271138? | 07:34 |
| tjaalton | bryce: yeah | 07:37 |
| bryce | tjaalton: do you think the change will hurt some users? | 07:37 |
| tjaalton | bryce: possibly, if they have a stripped-down system with only the essential drivers and no desire to use input-hotplug. but even for them it should work after upgrade, just with evdev | 07:38 |
| bryce | hrm | 07:39 |
| tjaalton | and adding AutoAddDevices to serverflags would again make kbd/mouse work if needed | 07:40 |
| tjaalton | but there should be no need to do that.. | 07:40 |
| tjaalton | but IMO the users who have blindly forced through an upgrade (and don't have input-all/evdev installed) are more important | 07:42 |
| * bryce nods | 07:42 | |
| bryce | I'm open to suggestions on this one | 07:42 |
| tjaalton | we discussed it wit jcristau | 07:43 |
| tjaalton | +h | 07:43 |
| bryce | ok | 07:43 |
| bryce | and...? | 07:46 |
| tjaalton | well, if it needs to depend it, that's the place | 07:48 |
| tjaalton | but he hasn't given it too much thought yet | 07:49 |
| tjaalton | it might change for jaunty | 07:49 |
| bryce | ok, that's fine | 07:49 |
| mvo_ | tjaalton: what is the current best way to make the middle button a scrollwheel? still the fdi stuff from my blog? or is there some cool UI now? | 08:39 |
| tjaalton | mvo_: I don't know if there is a gui for it, but 'xinput' should work | 08:40 |
| mvo_ | Ng: hi! I think you did the xinput magic for the middle mouse button, do you have the recipt for me? this looks like a cleaner solution | 08:43 |
| mvo_ | hm, xinput set-int-prop "TPPS/2 IBM TrackPoint" format 8 EmulateWheelButton 2 <- something like this? | 08:45 |
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| wgrant | tjaalton: There's no GUI for that yet, unfortunately. | 08:53 |
| * wgrant points to Jaunty, as usual. | 08:53 | |
| tjaalton | bad Jaunty ;) | 08:54 |
| Ng | mvo: sure, just a sec | 09:41 |
| Ng | hm, bah, i thought I blogged this | 09:41 |
| Ng | mvo: http://pastebin.com/f43ddc932 | 09:42 |
| Ng | mvo: see also bug 282387 | 09:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 282387 in evdev "scrollwheel emulation breaks after suspend with 2.6.27-7" [Unknown,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282387 | 09:42 |
| mvo | thanks Ng! | 09:42 |
| Ng | mvo: feel free to track down and fix the bug, it's making me very sad ;) | 09:43 |
| mvo | Ng: I never noticed it with the fdi stuff | 09:44 |
| mvo | Ng: thanks, it will make me sad as well | 09:44 |
| mvo | Ng: you put it into you .xsession file? | 09:44 |
| * mvo wonders if there is a .xsession.d dir | 09:44 | |
| Ng | mvo: I chucked it in a script in my ~/bin/ and call it from the gnome session thingy, but it's not an adequate solution because the properties are lost when the device is removed for suspend | 09:45 |
| Ng | so I was | 09:45 |
| Ng | just running the script manually again on resume | 09:45 |
| Ng | but atm even that isn't worth doing because it then just doesn't work without restarting X or rebooting | 09:46 |
| mvo | Ng: thanks for all this input (no pun intended :) | 09:48 |
| Ng | hehe, np | 09:48 |
| Ng | fwiw at the suggestion of the upstream input guy (Peter Hutterer) I built the git version of evdev and tried it with that, but that was a giant pile of spectacular fail and I couldn't even get the scroll to work without the suspend/resume problem (I figured our X server is probably sufficiently different to git for that not to work, or I was just building it wrong) | 09:49 |
| tjaalton | hrm, can't get cups-pdf to work | 09:51 |
| jcristau | mvo: you can call run-parts from ~/.xsession or ~/.xsessionrc i guess | 09:56 |
| tjaalton | mm, installing cups-pdf might help | 09:58 |
| mvo | jcristau: oh, cool! thanks | 10:15 |
| Q-FUNK | Bug #287462 | 11:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287462 in gnome-settings-daemon "Intrepid: forget left-handed mouse setting after resuming from sleep/hibernation" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/287462 | 11:02 |
| Q-FUNK | is this an X issue because of the switch to inputdev? | 11:02 |
| Ng | is there a correct way of handling a monitor which is being detected as 640x3something? | 12:53 |
| Ng | like, aside from whatever underlying bug there is, or broken EDID, is there a correct way to force it to use 1024x768? The X config tool seems to exist less than it used to ;) | 12:53 |
| jcristau | Ng: Option "PreferredMode" "1024x768", and maybe add a modeline for it | 12:54 |
| jcristau | (assuming randr1.2 driver) | 12:54 |
| Ng | I was hoping there would be an option which didn't involve an xorg.conf, but ok ;) | 12:56 |
| tjaalton | a proper monitor perhaps?-) | 12:56 |
| jcristau | how could you force anything without an xorg.conf? | 12:57 |
| Ng | jcristau: well presumably this could be fixed with xrandr --output VGA --addmode | 13:08 |
| Ng | but that won't persist | 13:08 |
| wgrant | g-s-d needs to learn how to do that. Or we need to quirk every monitor. | 13:09 |
| Ng | wgrant: that would make sense, otherwise the new world order of no xorg.conf quickly fails | 13:09 |
| wgrant | It shouldn't be difficult to do. | 13:09 |
| jcristau | Ng: a 5 line xorg.conf for a broken monitor is not too bad imo | 13:45 |
| wgrant | Especially if we can get screen-resolution-extra to do it with its X-Kit goodness. | 13:47 |
| Ng | if a tool makes it, sure | 13:48 |
| Ng | if I have to make it, fail. I have already forgotten most of what I ever knew about X config files ;) | 13:49 |
| tseliot | wgrant: yes, that would be easy to do. I wonder how it could be done from a GUI though | 14:00 |
| wgrant | tseliot: "Custom..." in the Resolution dropdown? | 14:02 |
| tseliot | wgrant: yes, that can be done. | 14:03 |
| * tseliot would like to rewrite that applet in python with his new python-xcb-randr library | 14:03 | |
| wgrant | That would be nice, but would mean huge permanent divergence from GNOME. | 14:04 |
| jcristau | that sounds like the opposite of nice :) | 14:04 |
| Ng | gnome needs to learn to love the python | 14:04 |
| tseliot | yes, I know but it would be something that both GNOME and KDE could use | 14:05 |
| tseliot | only the front end would be different | 14:05 |
| tseliot | jcristau: this is my idea of "nice" | 14:05 |
| jcristau | i meant the huge diff from upstream | 14:05 |
| jcristau | i couldn't care less whether it's c or python | 14:06 |
| wgrant | C is no problem once you get used to it. | 14:06 |
| tseliot | if upstream doesn't accept my patches to the applet I don't know if I can maintain a patch which is more that 500 lines | 14:06 |
| tseliot | of course C is not a problem ;) | 14:07 |
| Ng | C is a huge problem! :) | 14:07 |
| Ng | I have much better things to do than remember to free memory ;) | 14:07 |
| tseliot | hehe | 14:07 |
| jcristau | programming is hard. freeing memory is the least of your worries | 14:08 |
| tseliot | the right tool for the job | 14:08 |
| wgrant | I think we should rewrite it using PHP's GTK bindings. | 14:08 |
| * jcristau kills wgrant | 14:08 | |
| wgrant | That is surely the right tool. | 14:08 |
| wgrant | jcristau: Thankyou. I agree. | 14:08 |
| jcristau | :) | 14:08 |
| tseliot | wgrant: let's use javascript and qt4 instead | 14:09 |
| tseliot | :-P | 14:09 |
| wgrant | No, no. VBScript and Qt4. | 14:09 |
| * jcristau dies | 14:09 | |
| wgrant | VBScript and raw X11. | 14:09 |
| wgrant | Anyway, bedtime. | 14:09 |
| wgrant | We can argue at UDS. | 14:09 |
| tseliot | right. Good night wgrant | 14:10 |
| wgrant | Night. | 14:10 |
| Q-FUNK | re | 17:06 |
| Ng | hrm, what happened to my brightness keys! | 17:27 |
| Ng | tjaalton: are yours still working? | 17:27 |
| Ng | err belay that, my session was hosed => no g-p-m. sorry | 17:30 |
| bryce | heya | 17:35 |
| === steve__ is now known as sbeattie | ||
| Q-FUNK | since upgrading to intrepid, left-handed mouse settings in gnome disappear when returning from sleep or hibernate | 20:31 |
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