[02:27] <sbalneav> evening all
[03:54] <BunnyRevolution> hi.  is there a way to run thin and fat clients from the same server?  is this possible?
[03:55] <sbalneav> Not sure.
[03:55] <sbalneav> I know nubae's done some work on fat clients
[03:56] <sbalneav> By fat clients, you still mean diskless?
[03:56] <sbalneav> Or, are you asking if you can use the server as an NFS server for home dirs, for full fledged workstations?
[03:57] <BunnyRevolution> nubae's fat clients with ltsp thin clients
[03:58] <sbalneav> Then I'm not sure.
[03:58] <BunnyRevolution> do you have a link to nubae's fat client?
[04:00] <sbalneav> www.nubae.com, I beleive.  Or maybe .org
[04:02] <BunnyRevolution> the answer is yes
[04:02] <BunnyRevolution> wow, his fat client is 600mhz and 256mb ram
[04:03] <BunnyRevolution> so i'm wondering how low can one go?
[04:03] <BunnyRevolution> is it all dependent upon the server?
[08:34] <Mowrey> Hello. How can I connect my Edubuntu to Internet through a Dial-Up connection on an Inspiron
[08:34] <Mowrey> E1505
[08:35] <Mowrey> Hmm, nobody wants to help me, no matter where I ask. :(
[08:35] <Mowrey> That's not fair.
[14:42] <Eeyore-Jr> hi.  does the thin client use it's own video or the video of the host/server machine?  memory, graphics, etc.
[14:49] <sbalneav> Eeyore-Jr: the thin client uses it's own video, memory (for the video) and graphics chips, but the programs themselves run on the server
[14:51] <sbalneav> Eeyore-Jr: http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/LtspDocumentationUpstream has a good theory of operation section
[14:52] <Eeyore-Jr> is there a big difference between ubuntu and xubuntu in programs?
[14:53] <Eeyore-Jr> the programs are basically the same iirc, with only the desktop differing
[14:55] <sbalneav> A lot are the same, some are different.
[14:55] <Eeyore-Jr> actually though, reading your above statement, system requirements for a xubuntu ltsp or a ubuntu ltsp for the client should be exactly the same without the load happening on the client
[14:59] <sbalneav> Well, with less graphical "bling" xubuntu should use a little less client ram.  But that pales in comparison to how much client ram some of the programs you'd use will consume anyway.  Things like firefox.
[15:02] <Eeyore-Jr> firefox would be using server ram though, correct?
[15:03] <Eeyore-Jr> has opera been tested on ltsp?  wouldn't that be a better choice?
[15:04] <sbalneav> No, firefox also uses client ram as well
[15:04] <sbalneav> as it caches images in Xserver ram, which is on the client.
[15:04] <ogra> everything that displays something uses client ram
[15:04] <sbalneav> right.
[15:04] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm using 450 PII and 550 PII-Celerons with 256 to 512mb ram
[15:05] <sbalneav> That should be pretty decent.
[15:05] <Eeyore-Jr> everything that displays uses client system ram or client video ram
[15:05] <ogra> video
[15:05] <sbalneav> Also system
[15:05] <ogra> though it depends on your graphics card, video ram might be system ram
[15:05] <Eeyore-Jr> ug.  so if my video cards are booting up with xubuntu normally in low graphcs mode, then my video ram is way to low
[15:06] <sbalneav> Well, what resolution are they booting up in?
[15:07] <Eeyore-Jr> not sure, i'd have to check, but i think 800x640
[15:07] <ogra> might also be that it falls back to vesa because there is no driver for your videocard
[15:07] <sbalneav> Yep, that too
[15:08] <sbalneav> What kind of video cards are in the boxes?
[15:08] <sbalneav> real video cards with a fixed amount of video ram on them?
[15:11] <Eeyore-Jr> i'll have to check
[15:11] <Eeyore-Jr> assorted
[15:17] <Eeyore-Jr> i do know that *untu doesn't support my server graphics card
[15:17] <Eeyore-Jr> well sorta.  i can install using it, but after it reboots, i get no video
[15:17] <sbalneav> Probably make sue you set vesa mode for it.
[15:18] <Eeyore-Jr> geforuce 8800 gs
[15:29] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm looking at using no machine to manage the server
[16:34] <Eeyore-Jr> with the ibex, when it attemps to build the client, it fails
[16:34] <Eeyore-Jr> LTSP chroot
[16:34] <Eeyore-Jr> iirc, this happened when i tried with aptitude as well
[16:35] <Nubae> how does it fail?
[16:36] <ogra> aptitude ?
[16:37] <Eeyore-Jr> i don't recall, as i've started the alternate install for ubuntu ltsp
[16:38] <Eeyore-Jr> but the alternate ltsp is failing at the same point it appears
[16:38] <ogra> it should work from the CD built on 21th oct on
[16:38] <Eeyore-Jr> under "build ltsp chroot
[16:38] <ogra> before nobody tested it
[16:38] <Eeyore-Jr> i'm using intrepid beta
[16:38] <ogra> that wont work
[16:38] <Eeyore-Jr> :(
[16:38] <ogra> you need RC
[16:38] <Eeyore-Jr> ok.  rc is out now?
[16:39] <ogra> not yet, later today
[16:39] <Eeyore-Jr> *sigh*
[16:39] <ogra> but the daily images are roughly what RC will be
[16:39] <Eeyore-Jr> so, can i use 8.04.1?
[16:39] <ogra> we're unlikely to rebuild them
[16:39] <Eeyore-Jr> for testing the equipment
[16:39] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20081022/
[16:39] <ogra> take that one
[16:50] <Eeyore-Jr> thx
[17:17] <Eeyore-Jr> when's stable released.  i have a full blown test next thursday, and another the following week, both for three days
[17:20] <ogra> 30th
[18:46] <Eeyore-Jr> k, daily is installed.  can't get an ip address from the router and video does not work
[18:48] <Eeyore-Jr> bb after lunch.
[22:16] <Eeyore-Jr> ok, the ltsp portion of it works.  still no video or getting a dhcp address from outside, but the internal clients work
[23:17] <Eeyore-Jr> i've got a mobo with two nics.  it's serving address to the clients on the switch, but i cannot get the incoming nic to wrok
[23:40] <Eeyore-Jr> if i'm log into a ltsp client as myself (admin) is that the same as being on the machine itself?
[23:41] <Eeyore-Jr> *untu 8.10 looks neat.  is there a way to restrict a client to his/her home directory?