[00:07] my expieriences with kde4 is that it is clunky and I am a icon packrat so 10,000 icons on my desktop wih kde4 is unusible [00:10] in my experiences a desktop with 10,000 icons is clunky :P The good news is that you'll be able to set a folderview as the entire desktop so that it looks like a normal desktop [00:10] in KDE 4.2 [00:12] * jameswf waits patiently [00:21] maybe someone has a clue, why my QTableView has uncheckable checkboxes and how i get rid of them? i tried out every attribute of it... do i need a delegate? that's how it looks: http://img46.imageshack.us/my.php?image=cbtblviewhd8.png [00:24] JontheEchidna: He can do that with a smaller Folder view now :) [00:32] Is there a doc about dist-upgrade hardy->intrepid? [00:32] Or should I just s/hardy/intrepid in sources.list ? [00:32] * DaSkreech shrugs [00:33] I just wiped my machine :-) [00:33] sebas: dont do that === mcasadevall is now known as NCommander [00:34] or if you do, replace all "packages-kde4" for their "packages" equivalent [00:34] sebas: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IntrepidUpgrades/Kubuntu [00:34] JontheEchidna: yes mornfall did mention that the other day [00:35] if hardy-kde4, obviosuly [00:35] anybody knows if the stock xorg ati driver will make my x1300 happy? [00:35] I heard rumours about exa + composite working [00:35] seele: Lovely. [00:36] I've no kde4 packages installed [00:36] sebas: try a live CD and find out [00:37] Riddell: there seems to be a beta driver for that card packaged as well, so I can probably fall back. [00:37] I'm moderately positive I'll find a way to get X up [00:51] http://www.thinkin-lincoln.com/index.php?strip_id=739 [00:53] freeflying: I should remove skim from the archive? [01:01] Does Kubuntu desktop pull in Thunderbird? [01:02] no [01:02] possibly some language-support does, but that would be a bug [01:02] Hmmm [01:02] No idea how it got installed as my default e-mail clinet [01:15] Riddell: you wanna drop skim from repositary? or drop it to universe? [01:15] freeflying: you tell me :) [01:15] apachelogger: I can't recreate this login problem, if I set .dmrc to default it logs in fine to KDE [01:15] Riddell: let it sit in universe then :) [01:16] apachelogger: I wonder if the /etc/kde4/kdm/kdmrc file from kde 4 is still hanging around and that's the issue [01:16] from hardy kde 4 [01:17] Riddell: Hi. [01:17] Riddell: http://rafb.net/p/wqJrAq48.html -- can you get that into Adept package yet? [01:17] freeflying: demoted [01:17] Riddell: Fixes the installer crashes that have been reported. [01:17] mornfall: can do [01:18] Im looking for a "tutorial" to create / install / test a path the ubuntu way... [01:18] *patch [01:18] I don't have time to get a release done now, I present a paper in a few hours. And then I'm likely to be away till Monday or so. [01:18] Riddell: how many difference between the qt in intrepid and sid? [01:19] freeflying: minimal, maybe debian have added some patches recently I don't know [01:20] Riddell: its so strange then, I can use scim's xim with qt in intrepid, but it dosen't work in sid [01:23] mornfall: that pastebin doesn't have a download as plain text option? [01:23] Not that I know. I can record it and you can get it off darcs? [01:24] mornfall: I can do it by hand easily enough [01:25] I'm pushing already. [01:25] if i have a "bug" with the alternate installer what package is that? [01:25] Riddell: Done. [01:26] jjesse: debian-installer [01:26] Riddell: thanks [01:27] mornfall: uploaded, thanks, good luck with the presentation [01:27] Thanks. [01:29] mornfall: Do well [01:31] mornfall: in bocca al lupo [01:34] now if only babelfish had a latin option [01:34] in to the mouth of the wolf [01:34] and the response is "may it die!" [01:35] it's like break a leg [01:35] poor wolfy [01:35] you would rather it eat mornfall?! [01:36] I'd rather they sat down and worked through their mutial differences to create an amicable solution [01:36] the tea would get cold long before that happens :P [01:36] The Quaker is speaking. [01:37] (Anyhow, I do not disagree.) [01:37] mornfall: yeah, you're supposed to be asleep :) [01:37] * seele looks at the clock [01:38] It's 9:37 am. [01:38] mornfall: he probably means by you supposed to be asleep, he is really supposed to be asleep [01:38] seele: Apparently so. [01:41] apachelogger: oh, is it /usr/bin/x-session-manager ? [01:43] apachelogger: I wonder if that somehow isn't set or is set wrong in hardy to intrepid upgrades [01:43] JontheEchidna: I have seen you. [01:43] oh noes! [01:43] :P [01:44] mornfall: where are you? [01:44] Seoul, Korea. [01:44] how exciting [01:45] I like it here, it's great. [01:46] seele: do you have that machine which you upgraded from hardy kde 4 around? [01:46] seele: if so what does /etc/alternatives/x-session-manager point to? [01:48] lemme start it up [01:49] mornfall: do you have a tshirt that says "I've got Seoul"? i had a korean friend who love wearing one like that, hehe [01:49] Heh. Funnily enough, in Czech/Slovak, it's spelt Soul. [01:50] Riddell: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde [01:50] seele: that'll be it then [01:51] that's the problem or i'm dismissed? [01:52] seele: that's the problem, you may go about your business while I ponder a solution [01:52] mornfall: how's your dpkg knowledge? if I upgrade a package does the postinst get called with "configure"? [01:53] Riddell: right on, i'll be sitting around with nothing else to do until you call again :P [01:55] old-prerm upgrade new-version [01:55] new-preinst upgrade old-version [01:55] mm, so debian policy tells me [01:55] (unpack) [01:55] old-postrm upgrade new-version [01:56] postinst configure most-recently-configured-version [01:56] I think. [01:56] (That last would be new-postinst...) === claydoh_ is now known as claydoh [02:10] well, I'll leave that to compile overnight and go to sleep [02:10] night [02:10] nixternal: you working on that RC wiki page? [02:59] _Sime: you rock! and so does Planet KDE :) [03:00] [21:59] Riddell: we're still missing kubuntu desktop auto-resize tests? [03:00] [22:00] and a lot more on kubuntu alternate amd64 [03:00] Times -0400 [03:00] Anyone up for some testing ^^^ [03:02] ummm not really but how can i hlep? [03:04] Got any amd64? [03:04] nope sorry [03:04] [13:01] i'll do a kubuntu desktop autoresize test today [03:04] [13:02] (pending a lack of fire) [03:04] but that's i386 [03:05] Right, so who's got AMD64? [03:05] not me :) [03:05] nixternal does, but he's either out at a bar or writing release notes. [03:05] * ScottK doesn't have any either. [03:06] jjesse: You could hunt down someone with AMD64 willing to do some testing ... [03:06] ok [03:07] Done. [03:08] Which? Testing? [03:14] ScottK: Talk. [03:15] -- /usr/share/cdbs/1/class/kde4.mk:3: /usr/share/cdbs/1/rules/patchsys-quilt.mk: No such file or directory what am i missing? [03:15] NamShub: Build-dep on quilt [03:15] JontheEchidna: Dear Echidna... could you please re-check lp#268106 against latest adept? [03:16] JontheEchidna: I mean, KDE#170835 : - ) [03:17] And with latest, I mean the one Riddell uploaded a little while ago. [03:17] mornfall: That one hasn't been accepted yet. It won't be until after the RC is released. [03:18] The patch is small enough, I can patch/build the package manually [03:18] 130 megs i hope its the ok solution ;) [03:18] Ah. [03:18] ScottK: I have been reaming launchpad just now looking where it has gone... : - ) [03:19] * ScottK hands mornfall https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/+queue?queue_state=1&queue_text= [03:23] Danke schön, Mr. ScottK. === coreymon is now known as coreymon77 [03:30] ScottK: what all do we want in these release notes? [03:31] I have been messing around with my wmii and zsh configs [03:31] wasn't paying attention to time at all [03:31] Probably not htat. [03:31] that [03:31] and my amd64 box is toast [03:32] nixternal: Hehe. [03:32] nixternal: One word: xmonad. [03:32] I think it ought to start out with some kind of "KDE4 is really kewl, but doesn't quite do everything KDE3 did yet, so check with the Live CD BEFORE you upgrade to make sure it does what you need" warning. [03:32] mornfall: played with that a few weeks back, I liked wmii better [03:32] Oh. Maybe you are not a Haskell person. : - ) [03:32] you got it :) [03:32] Bummer. [03:33] mornfall: That search bug is fixed too [03:33] :] [03:33] Good. [03:33] I am trying to become a Haskell person...I hang out with all of teh Haskell devs in Chicago so they are teaching me to like it on a daily basis [03:33] JontheEchidna: What does nixternal want to put in the release notes. [03:33] uh [03:33] hmm [03:33] we have robustified/sexed adept [03:33] we need to get another Kubuntu whipping boy, I am tired of doing that...been doing it for over 3 years now :P [03:34] nixternal: You'd rather just do Vist full time then? [03:34] Vist/Vista [03:34] don't that is not a win/win situation, I am still a whipping boy for someone [03:34] don't that? [03:34] wth was I trying to say there [03:35] yeah, using Vista means you're Ballmer's whipping boy [03:35] Something Chicagoish no doubt [03:35] developers developers developers developers! [03:35] nixternal: Oh, you'll learn to love it. [03:35] JontheEchidna: What's broken? [03:35] or missing [03:35] oh, we're looking for broken things [03:35] That was to nixternal not JontheEchidna. [03:36] Yeah. Let's get the bad news done first. [03:36] : - ) [03:36] uh, bluetooth is basically borked until after Intrepid [03:36] Good point. [03:36] with any fixes going into -updates if it gets fixed [03:36] putStrLn "Kubuntu Rocks!" [03:36] nixternal: If you need bluetooth do NOT upgrade. [03:36] about all I remember right about now :) [03:36] That's a great point. [03:36] heh [03:36] to late [03:37] Some people are having trouble with wired networking an NM. [03:37] yeah, it started to intermittantly work/not work with the upgrade to 0.7 [03:37] rgreening was just lucky not to have problems start until the most recent upgrade [03:38] :) [03:38] I found that plugging the cord into a second NIC helped [03:38] nixternal: sequence_ $ putStrLn `fmap` [case x of ' ' -> "" ; y -> "Give me a " ++ [y] | x <- "Kubuntu Rocks"] [03:39] I had issues off and on... its fixed one day b0rked the next [03:39] but then that started not working and I just set up /etc/network/interfaces manually [03:39] rgreening: same [03:39] nixternal: see Bug #280762 -but it's not everyone [03:39] mornfall: thanks for making my eyes cross on that one :) [03:39] Launchpad bug 280762 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager under kde4 doesn't recognize the static IP connections that I have configured. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280762 [03:39] wow can't bleive it is still raining [03:40] Missing language packs is another [03:40] nixternal: It might be better to just putStr $ unlines [case x of ' ' -> "" ; y -> "Give me a " ++ [y] | x <- "Kubuntu Rocks"] [03:40] what exactly does the missing lnaguage packs mean? i get that on a fresh install and i only have english installed [03:40] ScottK: any word on the missing language packs? [03:41] jjesse: That's not the issue. The real issue is the ones that really are gone [03:41] nixternal: Dunno [03:41] Definitely not here for RC [03:41] also, do these have to be like all of our other release notes in the past, or is slangasek going to copy/paste them into the main ones? [03:41] See Bug 259180 [03:41] Launchpad bug 259180 in kde-l10n-nl "KDE translation packages (kde-l10n-xx) missing on Intrepid" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/259180 [03:41] i thiought they were going to be like our normal release notes [03:41] The bad news he'll copyt/paste into the main ones [03:41] you know like the ones you aalways do :) [03:41] I hope not...because I don't have time to do the normal release notes right now [03:42] someone can go through and fix them up though [03:42] The "we're so cool" part we get to do. [03:42] I can at least get stuff started [03:44] Looking at the milestoned bugs, that's all I see. [03:44] nixternal: sequence_ $ ((>> sleep 1) . putStrLn) `fmap` [case x of ' ' -> "" ; y -> "Give me a " ++ [y] | x <- "Kubuntu Rocks"] [03:45] Perl Reloaded. [03:45] haha [03:48] nixternal: Can you actually decipher what it does? [04:00] can't say that I can [04:05] hrmm I wonder if bug 280762 and bug 256054 are the same damn thing? [04:05] Launchpad bug 280762 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager under kde4 doesn't recognize the static IP connections that I have configured. " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280762 [04:05] Launchpad bug 256054 in network-manager "[intrepid] new 0.7 branch ignores /etc/network/interfaces" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/256054 [04:06] nixternal: No, there is an ongoing problem that affects some and not others. Dunno why. [04:06] gotcha [04:07] do we have a bug number for the bluetooth not working? [04:08] Yes. [04:09] bug 280997 [04:09] Launchpad bug 280997 in kdebase-workspace "solid-bluetooth needs update for bluez 4.x" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/280997 [04:09] Yeah. That one. [04:09] * JontheEchidna out for tonight [04:10] maybe I'll sort out how to get adept to update the xapian index after software-properties-kde is closed tomorrow [04:12] JontheEchidna: The right way: [04:12] 1) keep timestamp of sources.list at last update [04:13] 2) if old-sources.list < current-sources.list && current-sources.list < current-apt-cache && current-apt-cache > current-xapian-index ---> update. [04:27] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu [04:27] ^^ someone can dr. that up and finish that up I would greatly appreciate it [04:33] * DaSkreech only has AMD32 :-( [04:40] Whoo Code for Quicksand is available :) === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [08:04] mmm, shiny [08:04] and glowy [09:27] Riddell: did you get the whole jockey-kde issue resolved in the end? [10:15] * apachelogger has 4.2 [10:15] brokenmode [10:15] i d/l what was on the repos earlier i know i should wait for announcements heh [10:15] good idea [10:16] the packages are not built with rpath [10:16] good luck with breaking your system -.- [10:16] haha [10:16] its fine this is a temp system till my hdd comes in [10:16] Riddell: I didn't think of kdm-kde4 storing the kdmrc in /etc/kde4 ... that makes me pretty sure about the fact that genkdmconf is the key, from what I can tell the app is used to carry kdmrc through upgrads, which would be 4.0=>4.1 [10:17] and it certainly explains why I didn't have (or at least can't remember) the issue in the hardy 4.1=>intrepid upgrades [10:17] supert0nes: I see [10:19] do the hardy packages work? [10:19] I wouldn't know [10:19] i had a friend to got kdeinit error in a vm [10:20] supert0nes: it is freaking blooding edge software, what do you expect? :P [10:20] ya thats why it was vm i'm sorry i didn't convey it is out of curiosity and of no real importance [10:21] nightly==fun [10:24] on a side note, because I am reading the kiosk docs right now: we could maintain kubuntu-mobile-settings as a higher importance profile than k-d-s making maintenance pretty easy since we would only need to care about the actual mobile-only stuff [11:37] Riddell: Did you feed slangasek anything about release notes for the RC yet? [11:38] ScottK: no but I am working on the wiki page [11:40] Riddell: Last night on #ubuntu-release slangasek asked for which bits were relevant for the Ubuntu Release notes (which I think amounts to the bad news parts). [11:40] I can look at it in a few hours if you don't get to it. [11:50] Anyone have some time for some testing? [11:50] if so, it would be highly useful if someone could try to reproduce http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=499569 in Intrepid. [11:51] I'll try and look into it in a few hours. [12:08] ScottK: I think known issues on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu has the main beasties on my radar [12:38] ScottK: I just ran the tests he had posted in debian 499569 and didn't reproduce his same output [12:38] Debian bug 499569 in gnupg-agent "gnupg-agent: modifies SigBlk mask of all processes spawned in the X" [Critical,Closed] http://bugs.debian.org/499569 [12:42] nixternal: do you know how to align images in the wiki? for https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu [12:43] ya, I will fix that [12:43] you want them aligned like I ussed to do it? [12:44] nixternal: I want that top one float: right [12:44] ok === davmor2 is now known as davmor2_lunch [13:04] nixternal: || mm, I don't think I would have been able to guess that :) [13:04] heh [13:05] that's what I had [13:05] but it still shows a border [13:05] that's not a problem [13:05] groovy [13:05] border:0px maybe [13:05] nope [13:06] anywho, time to head to work...see you all in a bit :) [13:22] I don't like the colors of the first image [13:23] we need a color palette [13:26] how many different shades of blue can there be? [13:27] lol [13:27] Riddell: 32 bit color ftw! [13:29] oh my [13:29] http://discover.kde.org/ [13:29] whoa, looks so... KDE 4.0 [13:30] shouldn't we link to the 4.1 showoff page? [13:30] is there one? [13:30] hmm, it's sorta a release announcement, iirc [13:30] it's what we used in previous prerelease announcements [13:30] http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.1/ [13:31] master nixternal shouldn't link to unpublished stuff anyway :P [13:31] nixternal: Thanks. You're on i386, right? [13:31] and master sebas should finish discover.kde [13:32] * apachelogger needs to rebuild the complete neon stack with rpath -.- [13:40] Riddell: Since 4.1 still lacks some 3.5 features, do we want a generic "Try the live CD first to make sure the stuff you care about is there" warning in the release notes. [13:40] Particularly since downgrading .kde is not supported. [13:42] ScottK: that's what the second paragraph is intended for, do flesh it out if you think it needs more to it [13:42] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/KDE3-KDE4Migration is the expanded version [13:42] OK === davmor2_lunch is now known as davmor2 [14:01] Riddell: what are the chances of updating sip and pyqt4 to the snapshot versions from riverbank? is there a big risk it may break anything? [14:01] rgreening: way too late for that I'm afraid [14:03] Riddell: ok. according to _Sime, there is a known bug which is why the dataengine segfaults in the python plasma example. I'll see if I can find the change in the snapshot and maybe produce a patch (assuming we can get a patch in at some point...) [14:03] patches might be ok [14:04] can be an update if not in the released version [14:04] ok. I'll build the snapshots, make sure they work and then work backwards... [14:04] ty [14:09] ScottK, ok, I confirmed gpgkey2sssh is broken [14:09] Oh [14:10] Did I give you the wrong bug ... [14:10] ScottK, maybe [14:10] NCommander: How about http://bugs.debian.org/499569 [14:10] Sorry [14:12] Can not confirm on amd64 [14:12] Oh. No i386 there [14:13] I need an actual i386 kernel to confirm [14:13] Sorry [14:13] there is a one line test [14:13] gpg-agent --daemon grep SigBlk /proc/self/status [14:13] Someone who's running i386 please try that [14:15] OK. I can do that. [14:15] NCommander: SigBlk: fffffffe00000000 [14:16] NCommander: Same here: SigBlk: fffffffe00000000 [14:17] Riddell: I did some minor editing on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/IntrepidIbex/RC/Kubuntu to make it clearer. [14:17] ScottK-laptop, bug confirmed on intrepid then [14:18] OK. [14:18] want me to cook a updated package with the existing patch? [14:19] You also confirmed the bug fixed in the previous upload which is the current sum total of the diff. I'm recommending we just sync after the RC. [14:31] works for me [14:46] NCommander: SigBlk: 0000000000000000 with the new package from Debian. [14:46] ScottK, bug fixed [14:47] On my box anyway. [14:50] Someone may want to look at Debian Bug #501125 and see if we can fix it. It apparently happens here too. [14:50] Debian bug 501125 in libqtcore4 "libqtcore4: Unable to start any Qt application after upgrading to libqtcore2" [Grave,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/501125 [14:51] ScottK: I don't follow that, what's libqtcore2? [14:55] Riddell: I think that part is not correct. It's allegedly some kind of interaction with https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/intrepid/i386/uim-qt/1:1.5.1-2 [14:55] I mostly just saw someone saying the bug was present in Ubuntu too, so thought it worth a mention. [14:55] oh, scim stuff, ug [14:55] Yeah. Apparently. [15:01] ScottK: yes, i386 here [15:01] nixternal: Thanks. Looks like others could confirm it, but fortunately the fix is just a sync away. [15:11] Riddell: bug 282676 - did you get a chance to upload my fix? [15:11] Launchpad bug 282676 in update-notifier-kde "update notifier doesn't list how many packages needs updating" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/282676 [15:14] Riddell: I uploaded it to kubuntu-updates-testing, so if you want to promote it (or maybe ScottK or apachelogger...) [15:15] rgreening: I'll do that now [15:15] :) [15:20] rgreening: did you put it in bzr? [15:21] no, it wasn't. I need some bzr tutoring (I know how to get, but "doing" things properly may be a diff story). Know any good ref doc? [15:22] bazaar website probably has some [15:23] rgreening: Do you know svn? [15:23] yes [15:24] rgreening: The fast start is bzr co = svn co and bzr ci = svn ci. [15:24] Riddell: ok. I'll have a look. [15:24] well in this case there's no branch except my own, so he'd need to know where to push it [15:24] ScottK: ah.. ok... cool [15:24] rgreening: anyway, in my branch and uploaded, thanks [15:24] That doesn't get you the benifit of it being DVCS instead of just VCS, but it'll get you started. [15:24] ty both. [15:25] I'll read up on bzr some more... [15:26] davmor2: you say that bug 285626 doesn't affect you? [15:26] Launchpad bug 285626 in ubiquity "blank window on livecd with "Install" boot option" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/285626 [15:40] Riddell: is this the wubi thing? [15:43] Riddell: I've had a thought about this. Do you have intel hw gfx wise on that? [15:44] davmor2: yes [15:45] davmor2: wubi and also the "Install" option on the desktop CD (ubiquity without the desktop) [15:46] I tried the install on 2 nvidia based machine I'm now going to try it on my intel based machine and if that plays up could it be that kwin is turning composite on but not using it correctly? [15:46] Riddell: I got exa + composite + kwin working with the free radeon driver :-) [15:46] And it works with fglrx as well [15:47] Riddell: ^ [15:50] _Sime: ping (tomorrow at my place?) [15:51] I'm trying to build pykde4 now [15:57] Riddell: Does that sound at all feasible? [15:59] davmor2: it does [15:59] dosen't need a full install run, just starting the Install only option [16:00] Riddell: I just need to get a couple of log files for asac and then I'll do it about 5-10mins [16:04] Riddell: install only is basically what wubi runs too so that would explain the issue there to if this is the case :) [16:05] yes I'm pretty sure they're the same thnig [16:10] Riddell: have you tried on 32bit and 64bit ? [16:11] davmor2: yes, fails on both for me [16:11] okay cool just checking need to reburn live about 2 mins [16:11] 1min [16:13] booting now [16:16] Riddell: Black with the white cross same as oem [16:16] re-trying on nvidia now [16:19] so it likely is the kwin crash and only happens on some places [16:19] all very strange, kwin doesn't normally crash for me [16:19] I wonder what the difference is that makes kwin only sometimes crash [16:20] it would help if I had this backtrace, anyone know how to use apport-retrace? [16:21] possibly it happens on all graphics cards where compositing gets turned on, it probably isn't turned on for nvidia [16:21] Riddell: shows up on nvidia [16:21] davmor2: any kwin crash in /var/crash ? [16:21] still a black background but it shows up :) [16:22] Riddell: 2 ticks I'll drop it back into the intel box [16:28] Using Kubuntu 8.10 (64bit). I get only very few hits when I search for packages in Adept. For example, "firefox" gives 0 packages found, which obviously is not correct. All software sources are ticked. Any clues? [16:28] Alatius: try running /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index ? [16:28] bingo [16:28] davmor2: hmm? [16:29] _usr_bin_kwin.999.crash [16:29] which /shouldn't/ matter since kwin does recover, but seems like the most likely candidate [16:31] Riddell: Yay, that solved it. Much better. Thanks! ^^ [16:34]