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spmsuperm1: yeah - looking atm - we appear to have a repeat of a problem we had on Sunday.00:38
mkhlnshhello. i have an inactive signature of a code of conduct. how can be reactivated?00:40
mkhlnshhow do i contact a Launchpad adminstrator to reactivate my signature of code of conduct?00:56
persiamkhlnsh, Just sign it again with your updated key.00:57
mkhlnshi didn't change my PGP key; i just deactivated my signature and i want it reactivated back.00:58
wgrantmkhlnsh: You could ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad00:58
wgrantSomebody killed the topic again.00:58
persiaThen just sign it again with the same key.00:58
mkhlnshthen please explyn me why is there this: Once Inactive, a signature can only be reactivated by a Launchpad Administrator. if is not available?00:59
mkhlnshs/explyn/explayn00:59
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persiaHrm.  That's unexpected.  You want to ask a question.00:59
wgrantpersia: That's intended.00:59
wgrantYou can workaround it by resigning it, I believe.00:59
persiawgrant, It is?  Why?00:59
wgrantBut you could just ask a question.00:59
wgrantpersia: Because Launchpad is strange.01:00
wgrantIt has been that way forever.01:00
persiaI know that you can resign for expired keys.  Seems odd you can't for inactive signatures.01:00
persiaIs that just WoT vs. LP DB?01:00
* wgrant -> lecture01:01
mkhlnshso, what should I do?01:03
pooliemkhlnsh: open a question01:11
mkhlnshok01:11
lifelesssuperm1: soyuz should be happy again now01:15
lifelesssuperm1: we had some db contention issues that are resolved for now01:16
persiaDid someone already file a bug that when someone submits a bug the default is that the bug doesn't affect the submitter?02:07
wgrantpersia: There are several.03:59
persiaThen I won't add another :)03:59
kirklandhrm, the bug number being a hyperlink at the top of each bug page ... that's something new on edge.launchpad, right?04:29
persiakirkland, At least it doesn't work that way on lpnet04:29
csilkpackages.ubuntu down?04:30
kirklandpersia: it's kinda annoying, because i usually like to copy-and-paste from there into my changelogs, etc.04:30
kirklandpersia: and a link that just sends me to the same page i'm on is rather useless04:30
* persia has nothing useful to say about the current state of LP UI improvements04:31
Hobbseekirkland: i noticed that, too04:31
Hobbseekirkland: I did wonder why they implemented that04:32
Hobbseebeuno: any idea?04:32
kirklandHobbsee: thumbs up, or down?04:32
Hobbseekirkland: down, for the same use case.04:32
kirklandprobably for consistency04:32
kirklandbut i *really* liked that one not being linked ;-)04:32
Hobbseei fail to see why launchpad wants to reimplement the browser's 'reload' button.  I thought the browser button worked fine?04:32
persiaI type the bug numbers rather than copy&paste, but it seems pointless to have a self-reference link when that's already in the location bar of most of the browsers we ship (and the default browser in all flavours but server)04:33
ajmitchonly think I can think of is for context if it's reached from another URL04:33
persiaajmitch, but that's handled through URL rewriting already.04:33
ajmitchI won't pretend to know why it was changed then :)04:34
Hobbseea "feature", presumably04:35
persiaallows for drag&drop of URL for some browsers, which was probably the considered use case.  That's the advantage of specs that involve wide user review.  I'm looking forward to those.04:36
ajmitchfrom what I heard, that'll be soon?04:37
persiaThat's seems to be the consensus from those watching these things.04:38
persiaAnyway, the feature is still only on edge.  If you don't like it, file a bug.  There's a chance it won't get to lpnet.04:42
Hobbseecan i attach multiple files at onceto a bug report yet?05:15
wgrantHobbsee: By email, perhaps.05:18
persiaThe API still doesn't permit it?05:18
wgrantIt might.05:20
Hobbseeffs,launchpad...05:21
HobbseeError ID: OOPS-1027EC1905:21
wgrantWhat was it?05:21
Hobbsee+filebug, for ubuntu.05:21
HobbseeError ID: OOPS-1027EC2005:22
Hobbseeso, um, how am i supposed to report bugs when I don't know what the source package is now?05:23
persiaHey.  You got two in a row.05:23
persiause lpnet?05:23
persiaask for help in Ubuntu Bugs to find the package?05:24
Hobbseepersia: that's a good idea.05:25
Hobbseeoh, there we go.05:25
Hobbseetook 24 seconds, but did come up with a result.05:25
spivHobbsee: looks like a timeout doing the full text search on your bug title.05:33
Hobbseespiv: That's what I thought it might be, yes.05:34
Hobbseei'm sure that used to work, too.05:34
spivHobbsee: possibly just an unlucky moment of database contention?  No doubt the real LP devs will look at it properly when they wake up.05:35
Hobbseespiv: right.  I reproduced it 3 times on edge, but not on production.  Very odd.05:35
Hobbseeit must be time to file some more launchpad bugs,too.05:35
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* Hobbsee adds https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/28793505:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 287935 in malone "[EDGE] Bug # in the top left corner is trying to implement the browser 'reload' button.  Why?" [Undecided,New]05:41
jameshthis is a problem with putting all the LP devs in one time zone ...06:44
lifelessspm: is langpack export running atm ?06:50
lifelessspiv: the real devs are all in training :P06:50
spivlifeless: they have a lunch break, right? ;)06:50
wgrantThis channel seems to be overrun with .au Canonical gods.06:50
lifelessgods are everywhere06:51
lifelessso how can they overrun something?06:51
spmlifeless: not that I can see - just rosetta-approve-imports.py06:51
lifelessspm: cool;06:51
lifelessspm: just being...cautious06:51
spmI can appreciate that :-)06:52
wgrantWorked out what has been going wrong over the past few days?06:54
spmlifeless: fwiw langpack (currently) runs Mon, Wed & Sat @ 22:00 BST. hardy, intrepid, intrepid.06:54
spmwgrant: to fix? yes. To prevent? getting there. :-)06:55
wgrantspm: Aha. Good. LP does like to die around Ubuntu releases, so it's good to have the problems known about...06:57
spmheh - so long as it doesn't die on Sundays (again)...06:59
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cyberixDo "affect me"s add to the number of duplicates?09:23
Hobbseeno09:24
cyberixSo how can I list bugs sorted by the number of "affect me"s?09:28
beunocyberix, not yet, no09:29
beunoyou will be eventually  :)09:29
persiaI don't think that is implemented yet : it's planned to be one of the selectable orders, last I heard.09:29
persia(but beuno really knows)09:29
cyberix:-D09:29
cyberixok09:29
dholbachhiya09:32
dholbachis logging in on staging broken right now?09:32
dholbachfor me it doesn't work09:32
beunoit doesn't for me either09:33
beunoall LP devs in learning mode09:33
dholbachit breaks a launchpadlib script for me :)09:33
wgrantstaging's DB is fscked.09:33
dholbachahh ok09:33
wgrantIt has none of my teams.09:33
beunodholbach, I'll ask as soon as we pause for a bit09:33
* dholbach hugs beuno09:34
wgrantWow.09:34
wgrantThat's broken.09:34
dholbachgracias!09:34
wgranthttps://staging.launchpad.net/projects09:34
Rinchensiretart, ping09:34
wgrant20 projects registered.09:34
wgrantThat wins.09:34
wgrantAha. "There are currently 48 people and 17 teams registered in Launchpad."09:34
beunook, it's a known issue09:35
beunobeing worked on09:35
dholbachrock and roll09:35
beunonot sure about the ETA though09:35
beunotrying to learn new skillz, makes actually doing things harder09:35
wgrantWhat kind of skillz?09:35
wgrantWait.09:36
wgrantHmmm.09:36
wgrantThat's the sampledata, isn't it?09:36
beunoyes09:36
siretartRinchen: pong09:43
Rinchenhi siretart09:43
Rinchensiretart, what's the process to request something packaged in universe?09:43
Rinchensiretart, I need a particular program which exists on sourceforge (as a .deb no less) to be in Universe.09:43
siretartRinchen: there is currently a discussion about involving brainstorm for that on the ubuntu-mailing list09:44
siretartRinchen: the current process is to file a bug in launchpad and tag it 'needs-packaging'09:44
siretartRinchen: .deb no less? this means without source?09:44
Rinchensiretart, source is available09:48
* wgrant notes that upstream packaging rarely helps :(09:48
Rinchenhttp://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=19931509:49
Rinchenit's under a funky license though09:49
Rinchenwell, not really funky09:49
Rinchenhttp://projity.com/license/index.html09:49
siretartRinchen: in any case, I'd suggest filing such a needs-packaging bug, and start a discussion about the license and who is going to package it there09:49
philnhi09:49
Rinchenok siretart thanks.09:50
philni have a "basic" LP subscription.. my project is using private bzr branches fine but i'd like bugs to be private as well09:50
acehi there09:51
philnoh bac replied my mail ;)09:51
aceis there a list of the next features available in lp?09:51
beunoace, you mean like a roadmap?09:51
aceyes09:51
aceor just a wishlist09:51
beunowell, bugs and blueprints09:52
acefor example, will a wiki be available in lp?09:52
beunoand we have milestones: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project09:52
persiabugs and blueprints are more of a set of trail blazes than a roadmap per se.09:52
beunoace, wikis have been talked about, yes. But there's no ETA for them yet09:53
acewhere do you talk about this? in a blueprint?09:53
beunoyou can see what's being targeted for the next release in: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/2.1.1109:53
aceok09:53
beunothere is no roadmap, yet09:53
Rinchenthanks siretart. I'll contact the package owners since I can't find the source. Once I get the data I'll file the packaging request bug09:53
beunoI suspect there will be something similar soon-ish09:54
siretartRinchen: feel free to advertise that bug on the #ubuntu-motu channel, though09:55
aceperhaps i miss something, but is there something to write doc in lp?09:55
beunoace, no, there's no feature available to write it in Launchpad09:56
acei say that because when i click on "read full spec" on a blueprint , it goes to a documentation with close access09:56
acefor example: https://launchpad.canonical.com/Translations/Licensing#remove-translations-by09:57
beunowell, in other projects, you can link to public wikis instead09:57
beunoso that would work09:57
aceok09:57
beunoLaunchpad currently uses a private wiki, but that may change as well09:57
aceok i see09:57
beunoblueprints ar emore for tracking then the actual content of the spec09:58
beunoso you can target it to a release, assign it to people, etc09:58
aceok like a little post-it09:58
beunoa clickable post-it!   :)09:58
acedo you think LP and sourceforge have the same goal? they compete in the same category?09:59
beunoI don't think so, but I really wouldn't know09:59
acei m looking at where i ll put my project10:00
beunowell, Launchpad has more features, that's for sure10:00
acethere are info about how many ppl and project on LP?10:00
beunoyou have a nice tour at: https://launchpad.net/+tour/index10:01
wgrantSF is slightly more flexible for some uses.10:01
wgrantBut LP wins everywhere else.10:01
aceSF is damn slow too10:01
beunoace, https://launchpad.net/projects and https://launchpad.net/people10:01
aceok only 9k projects10:02
acei thought it was more used10:02
beunowell, Ubuntu uses it10:03
beunoso you have a massive amount of packages10:03
beunowhich aren't projects per-se10:03
davidfraserI got a PPA upload rejected with this message: Unable to identify file gimp_2.6.1.orig.tar.bz2 (graphics) in changes.10:03
aceubuntu use it but not for the code hosting10:04
beunoace, they will very soon10:04
aceah ok10:04
acenice10:04
wgrantdavidfraser: You must use a tar.gz.10:04
davidfraserThe previous original file was gimp_2.6.0.orig.tar.gz10:04
davidfraserWhat do I need to do to fix this?10:04
acei find that LP is really close the ubuntu community, but will it work for a windows opensource project or we ll be bashed :)10:05
beunoas long as it's open source, it sure won't be bashed10:05
Ngace: see https://launchpad.net/windows-ssh-server :)10:06
aceah yes :)10:06
acea one man project :)10:06
philnbac: hi, the bug contact was set ;)10:07
davidfraserwgrant: So if the upstream software only releases .tar.bz2, I must extract and recompress it...10:08
wgrantdavidfraser: Yes. That's the normal practice in Debian and Ubuntu.10:10
davidfraserOK, Thanks10:10
wgrantBut I think Soyuz (and thus Launchpad's PPA service) is meant to be growing support for bz2 tarballs in the next couple of months.10:10
acewhat is the best way to create a sandbox project?10:10
cprovwgrant: that true, but don't expect it live in the next cycle :(10:11
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wgrantcprov: We've been waiting a while, so I'm sure we can wait a bit longer.10:12
davidfraserwgrant: Great. It was just a slightly cryptic error message10:12
acefunny, i don't find the link to create a new LP project10:19
wgrantace: https://launchpad.net/, Open Source Projects, Register a project10:20
acelol ok10:22
acethank you10:22
dholbachRinchen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages10:22
Rinchenthanks dholbach10:23
aceLP doesn't use subversion?10:29
rockstarace, no.  bzr is the future.  :)10:29
aceof course :)10:30
acelaunchpad too10:30
wgrantrockstar: And the present.10:30
rockstarwgrant, well, only because we have a time machine.10:30
wgrantrockstar: True10:30
kikoace, we can import svn of course (maybe somebody else has said that already)10:34
aceyes i read that10:34
kikocool10:34
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acebut there  a big lack in the GUI client10:35
wgrantolive isn't bad for bzr.10:35
acefor windows :)10:35
wgrantNot entirely fully-featured, I guess.10:35
wgrantAh.10:35
acetortoiseBazaar10:35
acehttp://bazaar-vcs.org/TortoiseBzr10:36
aceahaha it exists10:36
wgrantI wonder if it's still alive...10:36
wgrantOh, it is10:36
beunoyes, there's someone working on it quite a lot10:37
ace"3  commits by 1  person in the last month "10:37
beunoMark Hammond10:37
Hobbseebeuno: um, what? (#287935)10:37
kikothat's not just "someone" it's "the one"10:37
ace:)10:37
acethe One10:38
beunoHobbsee, click the link on the top, takes you to the right place10:38
beunotop right that is10:39
Hobbseebeuno: yes.  and?10:39
beunouhm, that's why it's there..........10:39
wgrantI'd imagine it'd be useful for getting to a valid context if you arrive at one in which the bug doesn't exist.10:39
wgrantIs that your point, beuno?10:40
beunoyes10:40
wgrantThat is obscure but useful.10:40
Hobbseeright, so i'ts useful when you're not already at that page.10:41
beunoyes10:41
rockstarwgrant, tortoise bzr is actively maintained.10:41
beunoand10:41
Hobbseei guess for consistency's sake,it should always be there, whether it's just actually useful or not10:41
beunoto give people a link10:41
beunoyeap10:42
wgrantrockstar: So beuno said. I just hadn't heard much about it.10:42
beunoHobbsee, so, I propose we mark it as a suplicate of the other bug, which should be easy to fix this way now10:42
beunojust to put pressure  :)10:42
Hobbseebeuno: except for the fact that it's a bug about the fix of that bug.10:43
beunoHobbsee, well, sure. But there is a relevant comment10:43
beunootherwise it's just invalid10:43
beunoso, whatever makes you happier10:43
Hobbseewell, if you're into marking A a dupe of notA...it's probably best to mark it invalid.10:44
beunoright, so it's one or the other10:45
beunoif you don't feel it's a dupe, we'll just mark it as invalid and I'll move on to try and get that ported to the sibgle-comment page10:46
persiaIs it not possible to show the link iff the context differs from the current page (as mpt suggests)?10:46
persiaThat makes the presence of the link a useful indicator as to whether you are on the correct page.10:46
beunoI like consistancy10:46
mpteh, why are you still talking about marking it as a duplicate?10:47
Hobbseepersia: well, i would have thought that.10:47
mptThey're completely different bugs10:47
beunoand, that's a link to the bug which will always do the right thing10:47
persiaI guess.  I think you're losing information.  I think mpt has a very good point.10:47
acewhy they didn't use Git?10:47
Hobbseempt: i've got NFI - and i've no idea how the comments on the bug actually relates toeither of the other comments, either.10:47
mptit's not invalid, either10:48
wgrantIt could be Won't Fix.10:48
Hobbseempt: more won'tfix, but i'm unconvinced that beuno has actually read the bug sufficiently to grasp what's being said, tbh.10:49
wgrantBut it's not Invalid.10:49
Hobbseemaybe i was unclear to start with, i'm not sure10:49
beunoHobbsee, I'm here, explain!  :)10:49
mptbeuno, ever since people stopped using Netscape 4 for Mac, no browser has made it easy to copy text inside a link.10:50
mptSo, copying a bug number from inside a "Bug 12345" link is difficult.10:50
persiabeuno, It breaks a current use case, but does not add value when the bug is in the correct context.10:50
mptwhich is 99.99% of the time.10:50
mptAnd the other 0.01% could be handled better another way.10:51
mpt(All percentages approximate.)10:51
Hobbseempt++10:51
persiampt, Well, I'm not sure about "could be handled better another way".  When out of context, having a link to return to proper context is nice.10:52
persiaMind you, the link as currently constructed doesn't do that well for multitask bugs.10:53
Hobbseepersia: I was wondering about that.  Doesn't really help you there anyway10:53
persiaHaving such a link be unobtrusively in the upper left isn't bad.10:53
mptpersia, the other way being, making it imspossible to not be in the proper context.10:53
persiampt, Except I routinely abuse the context to work around the ACLs.10:53
beunoyes10:53
mptWhich would also have the benefit that each bug report would no longer have ~100000 possible URLs.10:54
beunothe reason is there, is because so many people URL hack around10:54
mptpersia, what do you mean by ACLs?10:54
wgrantDo you make it not exist, or redirect to /bugs/432432423432523?10:54
persiaWell, it's arguable that the fact one can abuse the model is a bug : perhaps it ought detect the right context and redirect when e.g. changing the bug number.10:54
mptwgrant, redirect.10:54
persiaThen use URLrewriting to feed the browser the correct context anyway.10:55
mptpersia, Answers already does that, so it's perfectly possible for Bugs to do it too.10:55
wgrantSo it does.10:55
wgrantForgot that.10:55
persiampt, Yep.10:55
beunoso I think it's unobtrusive, and sovles a few problems10:56
beunoit's possible, just harder10:56
beunoI opened a bug to do a redirect10:57
beunoso this was a middle ground10:57
beunoI approved the UI change, but opened a bug to do redirects in the future10:57
beunoit's hard to do redirects because it can be linked to multiple projects10:57
persiabeuno, but it breaks use cases.  Can it be reverted in the meantime?  I've yet to see any user comment positively on it.10:57
beunoand, as it's said, mayne people URL hack10:57
* persia doesn't personally care about it, but it generated more traffic than most commits10:57
beunopersia, revert the link?10:58
persiaYes, but generally when URL hacking, we want to be in the "wrong" context.10:58
persiaI think it would make more people happy than sad to revert the link.10:58
persiaI think the bug you want to fix is a valid and useful one, but I think your redirect bug is a better solution.10:58
beunoI fail to see why it makes anyone unhappy10:59
beunolike, a real workflow =breaker10:59
beunoso, reverting involves a lot of steps10:59
persiaCopy & Paste.  Three users (kirkland, mpt, Hobbsee) have complained about it.  Nobody has said anything good.10:59
beunoyou have the bug # on the url10:59
beunoit takes much less precision to copy it from the url10:59
persiaNot that can be reliably copied in many browsers.11:00
persiae.g. firefox does DnD for the URLbar unless you are very careful.11:00
persiabeuno, I don't disagree with any of your statements : I'm just not seeing any positive reaction from any of the users, and I see some negative reaction.  Since you seem to agree there exists a more elegant solution, I don't see the benefit of not maintaining the status quo until it is resolved.11:01
persia(and it doesn't break my use case, so I probably shouldn't even care much)11:02
beunopersia, the time needed to revert11:02
beunoso, if we're going to invest time in that, we need some sort of benefit11:03
beunoclear benefit11:03
persiahappy users?  Lack of complaint?  Lower sense of unresponsiveness of LP to user requests?11:03
beunoI can see that it's a bit annoying if you're used to copy n pasting from that place11:03
beunowell, people who are happy with the change are usually less vocal  ;)11:03
beunothe link is different than the URL11:04
beunoso it's useful in some cases11:04
persiaOK.  I'm just judging by channel traffic.  Not worth further argument.11:04
beunowhy should we make those users unhappy, that can't find that URL otherwise?11:05
beunothere was a bug reported about it, which triggered that work11:05
beuno(can't find it now)11:05
beunoso a few people where unhappy, that now are happy11:05
beunoit's hard to please everyone!11:05
jmlbeuno: impossible even11:05
persiaOh, certainly.  It's impossible to please anyone.11:06
jmlo.O11:06
persiaI just don't think it's useful to go from one bad state to another bad state.  If edge is so far down the development pipeline that it's hard to revert, I think the process needs help, but that's entirely separate.11:07
persia(and there are plenty of other bugs that need work, so clearly spending a lot of time to revert something isn't ideal)11:07
beuno:)11:08
* Hobbsee eyes the above discussion11:25
jmlit's an interesting problem in general though.11:27
jmla particular layout has a bunch of implicit benefits11:28
jmlwhich are only made explicit when it changes.11:28
wgrantIndeed.11:29
FlimmHello, I've tried uploading a source package to my ppa, but I get this error:11:29
FlimmAlready uploaded to ppa.launchpad.net11:29
FlimmHowever, I can't find any uploaded packages at http://launchpad.net/~flimm/+archive11:29
Hobbseebeuno: could you define "not blocking anyone else" please?11:30
wgrantIt's quite clearly not blocking anybody because Launchpad bugs can't block anything. No bug dependencies.11:31
wgrantFor no particularly good reason.11:31
Hobbseebeuno: in particular, how you can "not block anyone" while breaking use cases.11:34
FlimmI get a 404 error when I try to visit  http://ppa.launchpad.net/flimm/ubuntu11:54
FlimmI have enabled my PPA though: https://launchpad.net/~flimm/+archive11:55
bigjoolsnothing will be there until the first upload is processed successfully11:55
FlimmThat's strange, bigjools, dholbach's PPA (for example) is empty, but you don't get a 404 error when visiting http://ppa.launchpad.net/dholbach/ubuntu11:56
bigjoolshe probably used to have something and deleted it11:57
bigjoolstrust me, you need to upload something11:57
FlimmI have, I've been waiting for half an hour already, bigjools11:57
bigjoolsyou get any emails back?11:57
FlimmNo emails11:58
FlimmOh wait, I did just get one11:58
kikoFlimm, and your gpg key is registered?11:58
FlimmYes, gpg keys are registered11:58
bigjoolsno emails means either you didn't sign the upload or you signed with a key not in LP11:58
bigjoolsotherwise the email will tell you what you did wrong11:58
FlimmThank you, that's very helpful11:59
Hobbseebigjools: or the uploader borked again?11:59
bigjoolswelcome11:59
FlimmI just got an email: epidermis_0.1b-10ubuntu1_i386.changes rejected11:59
HobbseeFlimm: that'll be why.  You needt o upload a *source* changes.11:59
FlimmI had tried to upload an unsigned package a few hours ago, I didn't get any error messages11:59
wgrantbigjools: Malformed Changed-By or Maintainer addresses will generate error mails now? They always used to be silently dropped.11:59
bigjoolsumm dunno, I'd need to check12:00
FlimmAnd when I tried to upload it again, it told me I had already uploaded it12:00
HobbseeFlimm: see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA?action=show&redirect=PPA#Building12:00
FlimmSo I had to up the version one.12:00
wgrantFlimm: That's just dput being silly locally. Pass -f to it to convince it to upload again.12:00
FlimmThanks wgrant!12:00
wgrantnp12:01
FlimmI've been using dpkg-buildpackage , which is supposed to build both source and binary packages, can I use that?12:01
wgrantWe generally use debuild, and you must pass -S in either case.12:02
wgrantLaunchpad does not accept binaries.12:02
FlimmI'm going to try dpkg-buildpackage -S first, as I'm unfamiliar with debuild12:04
HobbseeFlimm: debuild is a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage.12:04
Hobbsee(so most of the options arethe same)12:04
FlimmOh... I am learning a lot today12:05
FlimmWell, the dpkg-buildpackage -S seems to have worked12:06
FlimmHow long will it take roughly to build?12:12
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FlimmIt's built12:16
FlimmThat was ten minutes long12:16
kikoheh12:21
kikoyeah, it's usually less than 10 mins in fact12:21
wgrantBut then you have to wait for up to 20 minutes or hack URLs to get to the binaries :(12:22
beunono, it's usually under 10 minutes12:23
beunoit *may* take longer, like anything....12:23
wgrantDoesn't the PPA publisher run on */20?12:24
bacphiln: ok, great. thanks.13:12
peciskpeople, what means current and packaged in translations? How it could be that packaged is something different than current, but currrent is older than packaged14:36
peciskthat is in LP Rosetta14:36
kikoI think current reflects what's current in LP14:39
kikodanilos will know though14:39
danilospecisk: that's right, packaged is what was "active" in a package (usually upstream), current is what is going to be active for Ubuntu when new language pack is released14:41
peciskdanilos: in this case it is debian-installer. It is non-lang-pack, afaik14:41
peciskI did changes in July14:42
peciskbut it still insist to use wrong version14:42
danilospecisk: ah, that's a completely separate question, they are manually updated, check with cjwatson on #ubuntu (or wherever he hangs around :)14:43
peciskcjwatson: ping? :)14:46
kirklandpersia: thanks for making our case.14:53
kirklandbeuno: would it be possible to print the bug number *somewhere* on the bug page, without hyperlinking it?14:53
beunokirkland, sure, I'll revise the UI14:53
beunodo you want to re-phrase the bug and re-open it?14:54
persiakirkland, Always happy to make a case, although I'm not always successful in pursuing them.14:54
kirklandbeuno: all we really need is some place on the page that we can easily double-click to highlight (without sending to another page), and put on the copy buffer14:54
beunoassign it to me, I'll take care of it14:54
kirklandbeuno: thanks14:54
sorenbzr says a branch on launchpad is locked, and suggests I run this to fix it: bzr break-lock lp-46042832:///~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock14:56
sorenHowever, when I try that, I get: bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-46042832:///~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock"14:56
sorenRemoving -46042832 fixes it.14:56
cjwatsonpecisk: I did a by-hand update of the translations in d-i not very long ago. Which language are you interested in?14:58
peciskcjwatson: Latvian14:58
cjwatsonpecisk: however, you should know that many of the translations in d-i are *never* updated from Launchpad14:58
cjwatsonpecisk: I am not interested in being man-in-the-middle for different translation groups any time I merge d-i from upstream14:59
cjwatsonpecisk: so, for strings that exist in Debian too, I refer people to Debian for translating d-i14:59
cjwatsonpecisk: the strings I update from LP are just those that are new in Ubuntu14:59
peciskahhh, that explains a lot14:59
peciskok, it should be noted somewhere, otherwise I think LP has bug or something :)15:00
aceis it possible to add some hook in LP?15:02
acelike in svn to display commits in irc for example15:02
cjwatsonpecisk: I thought it was, but I don't really know where translators would be looking15:03
peciskcjwatson: so, next time you will take d-i translations from Debian, you will take from lenny, right? And it will be for 9.04?15:04
cjwatsonpecisk: I merge updated packages from unstable, which include translations15:04
fantixjtv: ping?15:04
cjwatsonpecisk: they don't necessarily correspond exactly to lenny or anything15:04
peciskok, I see15:04
peciskthanks for info15:04
cjwatsonpecisk: and yes, I'm not anticipating any more translation changes for 8.10 at this point15:04
peciskI know15:05
peciskit is too late already15:05
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fantixexcuse me, but is jtv around please?15:05
fantixgot a question here. :) my first pot uploaded with bad name was approved and renamed inside LP, and does my second pot with the new name still need manual review? thanks15:11
philnbac: can you confirm me by mail when i'll be able to file private bugs on my project? not that i'm tired to fill stoopid test bugs ;)15:18
bacphiln: it is done now.15:21
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exarkunI uploaded a new translation template, but I guess I must have done something wrong, since it ended up in the import queue.15:31
exarkunCan anyone tell me what I did wrong?15:31
exarkunhttps://translations.launchpad.net/twisted15:31
acedo you really prefer the mailing list against forums?16:30
cjwatsonit's a legitimate preference16:34
cjwatsonmwhudson: I don't suppose there's been any movement on bug 112327?17:16
ubottuLaunchpad bug 112327 in launchpad-cscvs "cscvs doesn't support :ext: CVS repos" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/11232717:17
mwhudsoncjwatson: nope17:17
mwhudson(sorry)17:17
cjwatsonwhom do I have to bribe? :)17:17
cjwatsondanilos: wow, the import queue is not exactly proceeding quickly :-(17:21
Rinchencjwatson, rockstar17:24
Rinchencjwatson, for the bribe ;-)17:24
cjwatsonrockstar: I'm in London next week. What booze do you like? :-)17:25
* cjwatson <- fed up of using CVS for OpenSSH ...17:25
rockstarcjwatson, I actually don't drink, but there are other ways to bribe me.  :)17:25
rockstarcjwatson, unfortunately, that bug is not even on my radar.17:26
rockstarEr, wasn't until just now.17:26
rockstarI'll take a look at it, and if it's not a big deal, I may work on it tonight.17:26
cjwatsoncool, thanks!17:27
rockstarcjwatson, Ooh, a patch!17:27
cjwatsonwell, I'm in the Millbank office next week, so if I manage to make it over to Paddington or vice versa ...17:27
rockstarcjwatson, just because you submitted a patch, I'll make sure it gets done this weekend, even if I have to mess with it.17:28
cjwatsoncool, thanks a lot17:28
* rockstar believes in rewarding patches.17:28
cjwatsonjust for that I might get round to 256050 as well17:29
cjwatsonI like producing patches to make my pet projects work. :)17:29
Rinchencjwatson, we have this pet project.... it's called Launchpad. Maybe you've heard of it? :-)17:30
cjwatsonI have, but I have another pet project called Ubuntu which may be familiar to you ;-)17:30
Rinchentouche`17:31
rockstarcjwatson, there is also this neat thing called bzr that even works WITH launchpad.  It makes patch management and merging WAY easy.  :)17:41
exarkunI uploaded a new translation template, but I guess I must have done something wrong, since it ended up in the import queue.  Can anyone tell me what I did wrong?  https://translations.launchpad.net/twisted17:43
hlhSo how does one unsubscribe someone to a bug in LP?17:49
hlhfyi, I'm the project owner17:49
danilosexarkun: that's the correct behaviour: someone needs to review it18:16
daniloscjwatson: unfortunately, we haven't optimized the import of completely new files when we did previous rounds of import optimizations, because they are a minority of cases (but now, with this set of KDE data, they are all new files) :(18:16
krishhey hi. I am not able to upgrade my branch bazaar version18:31
krish[krish@lappie timepass-devel]$ bzr upgrade bzr+ssh://srikrishna@bazaar.launchpad.net/~timepass/timepass/timepass-devel18:33
krishFormat <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for lp-46042832:///~timepass/timepass/timepass-devel/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance18:33
krishbzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format.18:33
krishspiv:18:35
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exarkundanilos: Last time I uploaded something, someone told me it wouldn't need to be reviewed next time.18:52
danilosexarkun: ah, then it needs to wait for auto-approval process to finish, it may take a few hours for that to happen18:52
danilosexarkun: if not, please file a question on answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/ and we'll look at it18:53
danilossorry, have to go now18:53
exarkunokay.  thanks.18:53
fantixexarkun: thanks! :) gotta sleep, 2am here19:11
nelson_mtkwanhi there. I am a newbie in ubuntu. I have just setup the automounting of my partition by the 1st method on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions, which containing Chinese file name. Everything goes rights except those Chinese file name. They all became question marks!!! Can anybody here help me?19:27
psusiI can't seem to log into staging... is there anything special you have to do for that?20:00
Jazzvahello... I'm experiencing a problem with bzr and launchpad. I keep getting "User timeout caused connection failure" message on the branch page when I try to push changes. I have tried it at least 4 or 5 times.21:01
Jazzvahere is the branch address https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.xul-extensions21:01
JazzvaDeleting the branch and then pushing all the changes didn't help.21:03
LarstiQJazzva: hmm21:07
LarstiQJazzva: is this a mirrored branch perchance?21:07
LarstiQhello Ursinha21:07
Ursinhahi LarstiQ21:08
JazzvaLarstiQ, mirrored? I don't think so. I push changes from my local branch on my computer.21:08
LarstiQJazzva: ok21:08
LarstiQUrsinha: do you have the power to see what is causing the timeout on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.xul-extensions ?21:08
UrsinhaLarstiQ, are you getting any oopses?21:09
LarstiQUrsinha: no, it looks like the branch puller to me21:09
UrsinhaUser timeout caused connection failure.21:09
Ursinhaurgh, what's that21:09
LarstiQnot sure :)21:10
Ursinha:)21:10
Ursinhawell21:10
Ursinhalet me dig21:10
Ursinhahey beuno, what's up :)21:12
UrsinhaLarstiQ, by timeout you mean that yellow box with that connection failure message?21:13
LarstiQUrsinha: I do21:13
UrsinhaLarstiQ, ok21:13
LarstiQnot an oops timeout, sorry for the confusion21:13
UrsinhaLarstiQ, no problem at all :)21:19
LarstiQUrsinha: pfew :)21:22
UrsinhaLarstiQ, didn't forget you, trying to understand the error21:42
beunohey hey Ursinha21:48
FlimmHey everyone, I just submitted a blog post about my experiences with Launchpad:21:48
Flimmhttp://epidermis.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/3421:48
Ursinhabeuno, how long :P21:49
beunoUrsinha, yeah, it's been a while!21:50
beunowhere di you have dinner?21:50
Ursinhabeuno, went to salisbury and bought some fruits and so :)21:50
Ursinhasalisbury local21:50
FlimmWell, that's it folks, you don't have to read it if you don't want to, I just wanted the right people to read it. Good night21:50
beunooh, they have very good food21:50
beunoI bought food there last night21:51
Ursinhabeuno, oh, cool :) thought i was the only one to go dinner in the supermarket :P21:51
beunoUrsinha, ha, no. It's cheap and good, what more would you want?21:52
Ursinhabeuno, maybe take a walk in london :)21:53
beunoRinchen, url above ^21:54
Rinchener huh?21:56
Rinchenah21:56
Rinchenepidermis!21:56
RinchenI wish this hotel AP didn't block connections.21:57
Rinchencan't use avahi21:57
beunoI see people in bonjour just fine21:59
Rinchenbeuno, yeah but try to msg them22:00
Rinchenbeuno, connection cannot be completed22:00
Rinchenwe could do it on the cisco Ubuntu router in the classroom22:00
Rinchenbut not on the hotel's router22:00
beunoah22:01
beunoright22:01
awilkinsDoes it let 22 out? I use my router to bounce things off via SOCKS22:01
beunowe can't con nect to each other22:01
beunoin any port22:01
bigjoolsSainsbury22:03
Rinchen92.54.156.16222:03
Ursinhabigjools, yes yes22:03
Ursinha:)22:03
bigjools:)22:03
Ursinhasorry about the typo22:04
bigjoolsand sorry for stealing your food earlier :)22:05
awilkinsHowdoes/can one become a Launchpad dev if you are not employed by Canonical?22:05
lifelessawilkins: at the moment its pretty rarely done22:06
lifelessawilkins: but the technical side of the process is an NDA22:06
lifelessawilkins: once its open sourced it will be a lot easier :)22:06
Ursinhahahaha! bigjools, I don't even remember anymore :)22:06
bigjoolsand then you refused my two offerings, which meant that I had to eat them, so it's all your fault if I get fat ;)22:07
awilkinsI just have a requirement to investigate project/stuff tracking for my org so my thoughts naturally turned to Launchpad22:07
awilkinsThey want to be tracking rather more bits'n'bobs than just issues and code, but maybe we can learn stuff from each other22:08
Ursinhabigjools, hahaha :)22:08
awilkins(usual craptastic lack of well-defined requirements at present)22:08
awilkinslifeless: Any idea when that open-sourcing will happen (as if!)22:08
awilkins(any schedule would be stuck to ,etc!)22:09
beunoawilkins, july-ish next year22:09
wgrantWill it be an all-at-once, drown-everyone-in-code effort?22:10
awilkinsCould be a bit of a wait... would being "the NHS" make it any more or less likely that you'd trust an NDA in my hands :-)  ?22:10
lifelessawilkins: whats your email address; I'd be delighted to mail you & kiko to get a discussion rolling22:13
beunowgrant, we don't know. There will be quite a few things happening in between22:15
wgrantWill the roadmap be public when it's done?22:17
beunoyeap22:17
beunoprobably before22:18
wgrantGreat.22:18
wgrantIt's good to see this finally happening... we've been waiting a while.22:22
RAOFHas anyone had a chance to look at bug #270031?  It's been a while, and it's got a fairly wide impact on PPAs.23:04
ubottuLaunchpad bug 270031 in launchpad-buildd "Mono segfaults on amd64 PPA buildds" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/27003123:05

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