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| spm | superm1: yeah - looking atm - we appear to have a repeat of a problem we had on Sunday. | 00:38 |
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| mkhlnsh | hello. i have an inactive signature of a code of conduct. how can be reactivated? | 00:40 |
| mkhlnsh | how do i contact a Launchpad adminstrator to reactivate my signature of code of conduct? | 00:56 |
| persia | mkhlnsh, Just sign it again with your updated key. | 00:57 |
| mkhlnsh | i didn't change my PGP key; i just deactivated my signature and i want it reactivated back. | 00:58 |
| wgrant | mkhlnsh: You could ask a question at https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad | 00:58 |
| wgrant | Somebody killed the topic again. | 00:58 |
| persia | Then just sign it again with the same key. | 00:58 |
| mkhlnsh | then please explyn me why is there this: Once Inactive, a signature can only be reactivated by a Launchpad Administrator. if is not available? | 00:59 |
| mkhlnsh | s/explyn/explayn | 00:59 |
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| persia | Hrm. That's unexpected. You want to ask a question. | 00:59 |
| wgrant | persia: That's intended. | 00:59 |
| wgrant | You can workaround it by resigning it, I believe. | 00:59 |
| persia | wgrant, It is? Why? | 00:59 |
| wgrant | But you could just ask a question. | 00:59 |
| wgrant | persia: Because Launchpad is strange. | 01:00 |
| wgrant | It has been that way forever. | 01:00 |
| persia | I know that you can resign for expired keys. Seems odd you can't for inactive signatures. | 01:00 |
| persia | Is that just WoT vs. LP DB? | 01:00 |
| * wgrant -> lecture | 01:01 | |
| mkhlnsh | so, what should I do? | 01:03 |
| poolie | mkhlnsh: open a question | 01:11 |
| mkhlnsh | ok | 01:11 |
| lifeless | superm1: soyuz should be happy again now | 01:15 |
| lifeless | superm1: we had some db contention issues that are resolved for now | 01:16 |
| persia | Did someone already file a bug that when someone submits a bug the default is that the bug doesn't affect the submitter? | 02:07 |
| wgrant | persia: There are several. | 03:59 |
| persia | Then I won't add another :) | 03:59 |
| kirkland | hrm, the bug number being a hyperlink at the top of each bug page ... that's something new on edge.launchpad, right? | 04:29 |
| persia | kirkland, At least it doesn't work that way on lpnet | 04:29 |
| csilk | packages.ubuntu down? | 04:30 |
| kirkland | persia: it's kinda annoying, because i usually like to copy-and-paste from there into my changelogs, etc. | 04:30 |
| kirkland | persia: and a link that just sends me to the same page i'm on is rather useless | 04:30 |
| * persia has nothing useful to say about the current state of LP UI improvements | 04:31 | |
| Hobbsee | kirkland: i noticed that, too | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | kirkland: I did wonder why they implemented that | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | beuno: any idea? | 04:32 |
| kirkland | Hobbsee: thumbs up, or down? | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | kirkland: down, for the same use case. | 04:32 |
| kirkland | probably for consistency | 04:32 |
| kirkland | but i *really* liked that one not being linked ;-) | 04:32 |
| Hobbsee | i fail to see why launchpad wants to reimplement the browser's 'reload' button. I thought the browser button worked fine? | 04:32 |
| persia | I type the bug numbers rather than copy&paste, but it seems pointless to have a self-reference link when that's already in the location bar of most of the browsers we ship (and the default browser in all flavours but server) | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | only think I can think of is for context if it's reached from another URL | 04:33 |
| persia | ajmitch, but that's handled through URL rewriting already. | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | I won't pretend to know why it was changed then :) | 04:34 |
| Hobbsee | a "feature", presumably | 04:35 |
| persia | allows for drag&drop of URL for some browsers, which was probably the considered use case. That's the advantage of specs that involve wide user review. I'm looking forward to those. | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | from what I heard, that'll be soon? | 04:37 |
| persia | That's seems to be the consensus from those watching these things. | 04:38 |
| persia | Anyway, the feature is still only on edge. If you don't like it, file a bug. There's a chance it won't get to lpnet. | 04:42 |
| Hobbsee | can i attach multiple files at onceto a bug report yet? | 05:15 |
| wgrant | Hobbsee: By email, perhaps. | 05:18 |
| persia | The API still doesn't permit it? | 05:18 |
| wgrant | It might. | 05:20 |
| Hobbsee | ffs,launchpad... | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | Error ID: OOPS-1027EC19 | 05:21 |
| wgrant | What was it? | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | +filebug, for ubuntu. | 05:21 |
| Hobbsee | Error ID: OOPS-1027EC20 | 05:22 |
| Hobbsee | so, um, how am i supposed to report bugs when I don't know what the source package is now? | 05:23 |
| persia | Hey. You got two in a row. | 05:23 |
| persia | use lpnet? | 05:23 |
| persia | ask for help in Ubuntu Bugs to find the package? | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | persia: that's a good idea. | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | oh, there we go. | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | took 24 seconds, but did come up with a result. | 05:25 |
| spiv | Hobbsee: looks like a timeout doing the full text search on your bug title. | 05:33 |
| Hobbsee | spiv: That's what I thought it might be, yes. | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | i'm sure that used to work, too. | 05:34 |
| spiv | Hobbsee: possibly just an unlucky moment of database contention? No doubt the real LP devs will look at it properly when they wake up. | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | spiv: right. I reproduced it 3 times on edge, but not on production. Very odd. | 05:35 |
| Hobbsee | it must be time to file some more launchpad bugs,too. | 05:35 |
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| * Hobbsee adds https://bugs.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/287935 | 05:41 | |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 287935 in malone "[EDGE] Bug # in the top left corner is trying to implement the browser 'reload' button. Why?" [Undecided,New] | 05:41 |
| jamesh | this is a problem with putting all the LP devs in one time zone ... | 06:44 |
| lifeless | spm: is langpack export running atm ? | 06:50 |
| lifeless | spiv: the real devs are all in training :P | 06:50 |
| spiv | lifeless: they have a lunch break, right? ;) | 06:50 |
| wgrant | This channel seems to be overrun with .au Canonical gods. | 06:50 |
| lifeless | gods are everywhere | 06:51 |
| lifeless | so how can they overrun something? | 06:51 |
| spm | lifeless: not that I can see - just rosetta-approve-imports.py | 06:51 |
| lifeless | spm: cool; | 06:51 |
| lifeless | spm: just being...cautious | 06:51 |
| spm | I can appreciate that :-) | 06:52 |
| wgrant | Worked out what has been going wrong over the past few days? | 06:54 |
| spm | lifeless: fwiw langpack (currently) runs Mon, Wed & Sat @ 22:00 BST. hardy, intrepid, intrepid. | 06:54 |
| spm | wgrant: to fix? yes. To prevent? getting there. :-) | 06:55 |
| wgrant | spm: Aha. Good. LP does like to die around Ubuntu releases, so it's good to have the problems known about... | 06:57 |
| spm | heh - so long as it doesn't die on Sundays (again)... | 06:59 |
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| cyberix | Do "affect me"s add to the number of duplicates? | 09:23 |
| Hobbsee | no | 09:24 |
| cyberix | So how can I list bugs sorted by the number of "affect me"s? | 09:28 |
| beuno | cyberix, not yet, no | 09:29 |
| beuno | you will be eventually :) | 09:29 |
| persia | I don't think that is implemented yet : it's planned to be one of the selectable orders, last I heard. | 09:29 |
| persia | (but beuno really knows) | 09:29 |
| cyberix | :-D | 09:29 |
| cyberix | ok | 09:29 |
| dholbach | hiya | 09:32 |
| dholbach | is logging in on staging broken right now? | 09:32 |
| dholbach | for me it doesn't work | 09:32 |
| beuno | it doesn't for me either | 09:33 |
| beuno | all LP devs in learning mode | 09:33 |
| dholbach | it breaks a launchpadlib script for me :) | 09:33 |
| wgrant | staging's DB is fscked. | 09:33 |
| dholbach | ahh ok | 09:33 |
| wgrant | It has none of my teams. | 09:33 |
| beuno | dholbach, I'll ask as soon as we pause for a bit | 09:33 |
| * dholbach hugs beuno | 09:34 | |
| wgrant | Wow. | 09:34 |
| wgrant | That's broken. | 09:34 |
| dholbach | gracias! | 09:34 |
| wgrant | https://staging.launchpad.net/projects | 09:34 |
| Rinchen | siretart, ping | 09:34 |
| wgrant | 20 projects registered. | 09:34 |
| wgrant | That wins. | 09:34 |
| wgrant | Aha. "There are currently 48 people and 17 teams registered in Launchpad." | 09:34 |
| beuno | ok, it's a known issue | 09:35 |
| beuno | being worked on | 09:35 |
| dholbach | rock and roll | 09:35 |
| beuno | not sure about the ETA though | 09:35 |
| beuno | trying to learn new skillz, makes actually doing things harder | 09:35 |
| wgrant | What kind of skillz? | 09:35 |
| wgrant | Wait. | 09:36 |
| wgrant | Hmmm. | 09:36 |
| wgrant | That's the sampledata, isn't it? | 09:36 |
| beuno | yes | 09:36 |
| siretart | Rinchen: pong | 09:43 |
| Rinchen | hi siretart | 09:43 |
| Rinchen | siretart, what's the process to request something packaged in universe? | 09:43 |
| Rinchen | siretart, I need a particular program which exists on sourceforge (as a .deb no less) to be in Universe. | 09:43 |
| siretart | Rinchen: there is currently a discussion about involving brainstorm for that on the ubuntu-mailing list | 09:44 |
| siretart | Rinchen: the current process is to file a bug in launchpad and tag it 'needs-packaging' | 09:44 |
| siretart | Rinchen: .deb no less? this means without source? | 09:44 |
| Rinchen | siretart, source is available | 09:48 |
| * wgrant notes that upstream packaging rarely helps :( | 09:48 | |
| Rinchen | http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=199315 | 09:49 |
| Rinchen | it's under a funky license though | 09:49 |
| Rinchen | well, not really funky | 09:49 |
| Rinchen | http://projity.com/license/index.html | 09:49 |
| siretart | Rinchen: in any case, I'd suggest filing such a needs-packaging bug, and start a discussion about the license and who is going to package it there | 09:49 |
| philn | hi | 09:49 |
| Rinchen | ok siretart thanks. | 09:50 |
| philn | i have a "basic" LP subscription.. my project is using private bzr branches fine but i'd like bugs to be private as well | 09:50 |
| ace | hi there | 09:51 |
| philn | oh bac replied my mail ;) | 09:51 |
| ace | is there a list of the next features available in lp? | 09:51 |
| beuno | ace, you mean like a roadmap? | 09:51 |
| ace | yes | 09:51 |
| ace | or just a wishlist | 09:51 |
| beuno | well, bugs and blueprints | 09:52 |
| ace | for example, will a wiki be available in lp? | 09:52 |
| beuno | and we have milestones: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project | 09:52 |
| persia | bugs and blueprints are more of a set of trail blazes than a roadmap per se. | 09:52 |
| beuno | ace, wikis have been talked about, yes. But there's no ETA for them yet | 09:53 |
| ace | where do you talk about this? in a blueprint? | 09:53 |
| beuno | you can see what's being targeted for the next release in: https://edge.launchpad.net/launchpad-project/+milestone/2.1.11 | 09:53 |
| ace | ok | 09:53 |
| beuno | there is no roadmap, yet | 09:53 |
| Rinchen | thanks siretart. I'll contact the package owners since I can't find the source. Once I get the data I'll file the packaging request bug | 09:53 |
| beuno | I suspect there will be something similar soon-ish | 09:54 |
| siretart | Rinchen: feel free to advertise that bug on the #ubuntu-motu channel, though | 09:55 |
| ace | perhaps i miss something, but is there something to write doc in lp? | 09:55 |
| beuno | ace, no, there's no feature available to write it in Launchpad | 09:56 |
| ace | i say that because when i click on "read full spec" on a blueprint , it goes to a documentation with close access | 09:56 |
| ace | for example: https://launchpad.canonical.com/Translations/Licensing#remove-translations-by | 09:57 |
| beuno | well, in other projects, you can link to public wikis instead | 09:57 |
| beuno | so that would work | 09:57 |
| ace | ok | 09:57 |
| beuno | Launchpad currently uses a private wiki, but that may change as well | 09:57 |
| ace | ok i see | 09:57 |
| beuno | blueprints ar emore for tracking then the actual content of the spec | 09:58 |
| beuno | so you can target it to a release, assign it to people, etc | 09:58 |
| ace | ok like a little post-it | 09:58 |
| beuno | a clickable post-it! :) | 09:58 |
| ace | do you think LP and sourceforge have the same goal? they compete in the same category? | 09:59 |
| beuno | I don't think so, but I really wouldn't know | 09:59 |
| ace | i m looking at where i ll put my project | 10:00 |
| beuno | well, Launchpad has more features, that's for sure | 10:00 |
| ace | there are info about how many ppl and project on LP? | 10:00 |
| beuno | you have a nice tour at: https://launchpad.net/+tour/index | 10:01 |
| wgrant | SF is slightly more flexible for some uses. | 10:01 |
| wgrant | But LP wins everywhere else. | 10:01 |
| ace | SF is damn slow too | 10:01 |
| beuno | ace, https://launchpad.net/projects and https://launchpad.net/people | 10:01 |
| ace | ok only 9k projects | 10:02 |
| ace | i thought it was more used | 10:02 |
| beuno | well, Ubuntu uses it | 10:03 |
| beuno | so you have a massive amount of packages | 10:03 |
| beuno | which aren't projects per-se | 10:03 |
| davidfraser | I got a PPA upload rejected with this message: Unable to identify file gimp_2.6.1.orig.tar.bz2 (graphics) in changes. | 10:03 |
| ace | ubuntu use it but not for the code hosting | 10:04 |
| beuno | ace, they will very soon | 10:04 |
| ace | ah ok | 10:04 |
| ace | nice | 10:04 |
| wgrant | davidfraser: You must use a tar.gz. | 10:04 |
| davidfraser | The previous original file was gimp_2.6.0.orig.tar.gz | 10:04 |
| davidfraser | What do I need to do to fix this? | 10:04 |
| ace | i find that LP is really close the ubuntu community, but will it work for a windows opensource project or we ll be bashed :) | 10:05 |
| beuno | as long as it's open source, it sure won't be bashed | 10:05 |
| Ng | ace: see https://launchpad.net/windows-ssh-server :) | 10:06 |
| ace | ah yes :) | 10:06 |
| ace | a one man project :) | 10:06 |
| philn | bac: hi, the bug contact was set ;) | 10:07 |
| davidfraser | wgrant: So if the upstream software only releases .tar.bz2, I must extract and recompress it... | 10:08 |
| wgrant | davidfraser: Yes. That's the normal practice in Debian and Ubuntu. | 10:10 |
| davidfraser | OK, Thanks | 10:10 |
| wgrant | But I think Soyuz (and thus Launchpad's PPA service) is meant to be growing support for bz2 tarballs in the next couple of months. | 10:10 |
| ace | what is the best way to create a sandbox project? | 10:10 |
| cprov | wgrant: that true, but don't expect it live in the next cycle :( | 10:11 |
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| wgrant | cprov: We've been waiting a while, so I'm sure we can wait a bit longer. | 10:12 |
| davidfraser | wgrant: Great. It was just a slightly cryptic error message | 10:12 |
| ace | funny, i don't find the link to create a new LP project | 10:19 |
| wgrant | ace: https://launchpad.net/, Open Source Projects, Register a project | 10:20 |
| ace | lol ok | 10:22 |
| ace | thank you | 10:22 |
| dholbach | Rinchen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages | 10:22 |
| Rinchen | thanks dholbach | 10:23 |
| ace | LP doesn't use subversion? | 10:29 |
| rockstar | ace, no. bzr is the future. :) | 10:29 |
| ace | of course :) | 10:30 |
| ace | launchpad too | 10:30 |
| wgrant | rockstar: And the present. | 10:30 |
| rockstar | wgrant, well, only because we have a time machine. | 10:30 |
| wgrant | rockstar: True | 10:30 |
| kiko | ace, we can import svn of course (maybe somebody else has said that already) | 10:34 |
| ace | yes i read that | 10:34 |
| kiko | cool | 10:34 |
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| ace | but there a big lack in the GUI client | 10:35 |
| wgrant | olive isn't bad for bzr. | 10:35 |
| ace | for windows :) | 10:35 |
| wgrant | Not entirely fully-featured, I guess. | 10:35 |
| wgrant | Ah. | 10:35 |
| ace | tortoiseBazaar | 10:35 |
| ace | http://bazaar-vcs.org/TortoiseBzr | 10:36 |
| ace | ahaha it exists | 10:36 |
| wgrant | I wonder if it's still alive... | 10:36 |
| wgrant | Oh, it is | 10:36 |
| beuno | yes, there's someone working on it quite a lot | 10:37 |
| ace | "3 commits by 1 person in the last month " | 10:37 |
| beuno | Mark Hammond | 10:37 |
| Hobbsee | beuno: um, what? (#287935) | 10:37 |
| kiko | that's not just "someone" it's "the one" | 10:37 |
| ace | :) | 10:37 |
| ace | the One | 10:38 |
| beuno | Hobbsee, click the link on the top, takes you to the right place | 10:38 |
| beuno | top right that is | 10:39 |
| Hobbsee | beuno: yes. and? | 10:39 |
| beuno | uhm, that's why it's there.......... | 10:39 |
| wgrant | I'd imagine it'd be useful for getting to a valid context if you arrive at one in which the bug doesn't exist. | 10:39 |
| wgrant | Is that your point, beuno? | 10:40 |
| beuno | yes | 10:40 |
| wgrant | That is obscure but useful. | 10:40 |
| Hobbsee | right, so i'ts useful when you're not already at that page. | 10:41 |
| beuno | yes | 10:41 |
| rockstar | wgrant, tortoise bzr is actively maintained. | 10:41 |
| beuno | and | 10:41 |
| Hobbsee | i guess for consistency's sake,it should always be there, whether it's just actually useful or not | 10:41 |
| beuno | to give people a link | 10:41 |
| beuno | yeap | 10:42 |
| wgrant | rockstar: So beuno said. I just hadn't heard much about it. | 10:42 |
| beuno | Hobbsee, so, I propose we mark it as a suplicate of the other bug, which should be easy to fix this way now | 10:42 |
| beuno | just to put pressure :) | 10:42 |
| Hobbsee | beuno: except for the fact that it's a bug about the fix of that bug. | 10:43 |
| beuno | Hobbsee, well, sure. But there is a relevant comment | 10:43 |
| beuno | otherwise it's just invalid | 10:43 |
| beuno | so, whatever makes you happier | 10:43 |
| Hobbsee | well, if you're into marking A a dupe of notA...it's probably best to mark it invalid. | 10:44 |
| beuno | right, so it's one or the other | 10:45 |
| beuno | if you don't feel it's a dupe, we'll just mark it as invalid and I'll move on to try and get that ported to the sibgle-comment page | 10:46 |
| persia | Is it not possible to show the link iff the context differs from the current page (as mpt suggests)? | 10:46 |
| persia | That makes the presence of the link a useful indicator as to whether you are on the correct page. | 10:46 |
| beuno | I like consistancy | 10:46 |
| mpt | eh, why are you still talking about marking it as a duplicate? | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | persia: well, i would have thought that. | 10:47 |
| mpt | They're completely different bugs | 10:47 |
| beuno | and, that's a link to the bug which will always do the right thing | 10:47 |
| persia | I guess. I think you're losing information. I think mpt has a very good point. | 10:47 |
| ace | why they didn't use Git? | 10:47 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: i've got NFI - and i've no idea how the comments on the bug actually relates toeither of the other comments, either. | 10:47 |
| mpt | it's not invalid, either | 10:48 |
| wgrant | It could be Won't Fix. | 10:48 |
| Hobbsee | mpt: more won'tfix, but i'm unconvinced that beuno has actually read the bug sufficiently to grasp what's being said, tbh. | 10:49 |
| wgrant | But it's not Invalid. | 10:49 |
| Hobbsee | maybe i was unclear to start with, i'm not sure | 10:49 |
| beuno | Hobbsee, I'm here, explain! :) | 10:49 |
| mpt | beuno, ever since people stopped using Netscape 4 for Mac, no browser has made it easy to copy text inside a link. | 10:50 |
| mpt | So, copying a bug number from inside a "Bug 12345" link is difficult. | 10:50 |
| persia | beuno, It breaks a current use case, but does not add value when the bug is in the correct context. | 10:50 |
| mpt | which is 99.99% of the time. | 10:50 |
| mpt | And the other 0.01% could be handled better another way. | 10:51 |
| mpt | (All percentages approximate.) | 10:51 |
| Hobbsee | mpt++ | 10:51 |
| persia | mpt, Well, I'm not sure about "could be handled better another way". When out of context, having a link to return to proper context is nice. | 10:52 |
| persia | Mind you, the link as currently constructed doesn't do that well for multitask bugs. | 10:53 |
| Hobbsee | persia: I was wondering about that. Doesn't really help you there anyway | 10:53 |
| persia | Having such a link be unobtrusively in the upper left isn't bad. | 10:53 |
| mpt | persia, the other way being, making it imspossible to not be in the proper context. | 10:53 |
| persia | mpt, Except I routinely abuse the context to work around the ACLs. | 10:53 |
| beuno | yes | 10:53 |
| mpt | Which would also have the benefit that each bug report would no longer have ~100000 possible URLs. | 10:54 |
| beuno | the reason is there, is because so many people URL hack around | 10:54 |
| mpt | persia, what do you mean by ACLs? | 10:54 |
| wgrant | Do you make it not exist, or redirect to /bugs/432432423432523? | 10:54 |
| persia | Well, it's arguable that the fact one can abuse the model is a bug : perhaps it ought detect the right context and redirect when e.g. changing the bug number. | 10:54 |
| mpt | wgrant, redirect. | 10:54 |
| persia | Then use URLrewriting to feed the browser the correct context anyway. | 10:55 |
| mpt | persia, Answers already does that, so it's perfectly possible for Bugs to do it too. | 10:55 |
| wgrant | So it does. | 10:55 |
| wgrant | Forgot that. | 10:55 |
| persia | mpt, Yep. | 10:55 |
| beuno | so I think it's unobtrusive, and sovles a few problems | 10:56 |
| beuno | it's possible, just harder | 10:56 |
| beuno | I opened a bug to do a redirect | 10:57 |
| beuno | so this was a middle ground | 10:57 |
| beuno | I approved the UI change, but opened a bug to do redirects in the future | 10:57 |
| beuno | it's hard to do redirects because it can be linked to multiple projects | 10:57 |
| persia | beuno, but it breaks use cases. Can it be reverted in the meantime? I've yet to see any user comment positively on it. | 10:57 |
| beuno | and, as it's said, mayne people URL hack | 10:57 |
| * persia doesn't personally care about it, but it generated more traffic than most commits | 10:57 | |
| beuno | persia, revert the link? | 10:58 |
| persia | Yes, but generally when URL hacking, we want to be in the "wrong" context. | 10:58 |
| persia | I think it would make more people happy than sad to revert the link. | 10:58 |
| persia | I think the bug you want to fix is a valid and useful one, but I think your redirect bug is a better solution. | 10:58 |
| beuno | I fail to see why it makes anyone unhappy | 10:59 |
| beuno | like, a real workflow =breaker | 10:59 |
| beuno | so, reverting involves a lot of steps | 10:59 |
| persia | Copy & Paste. Three users (kirkland, mpt, Hobbsee) have complained about it. Nobody has said anything good. | 10:59 |
| beuno | you have the bug # on the url | 10:59 |
| beuno | it takes much less precision to copy it from the url | 10:59 |
| persia | Not that can be reliably copied in many browsers. | 11:00 |
| persia | e.g. firefox does DnD for the URLbar unless you are very careful. | 11:00 |
| persia | beuno, I don't disagree with any of your statements : I'm just not seeing any positive reaction from any of the users, and I see some negative reaction. Since you seem to agree there exists a more elegant solution, I don't see the benefit of not maintaining the status quo until it is resolved. | 11:01 |
| persia | (and it doesn't break my use case, so I probably shouldn't even care much) | 11:02 |
| beuno | persia, the time needed to revert | 11:02 |
| beuno | so, if we're going to invest time in that, we need some sort of benefit | 11:03 |
| beuno | clear benefit | 11:03 |
| persia | happy users? Lack of complaint? Lower sense of unresponsiveness of LP to user requests? | 11:03 |
| beuno | I can see that it's a bit annoying if you're used to copy n pasting from that place | 11:03 |
| beuno | well, people who are happy with the change are usually less vocal ;) | 11:03 |
| beuno | the link is different than the URL | 11:04 |
| beuno | so it's useful in some cases | 11:04 |
| persia | OK. I'm just judging by channel traffic. Not worth further argument. | 11:04 |
| beuno | why should we make those users unhappy, that can't find that URL otherwise? | 11:05 |
| beuno | there was a bug reported about it, which triggered that work | 11:05 |
| beuno | (can't find it now) | 11:05 |
| beuno | so a few people where unhappy, that now are happy | 11:05 |
| beuno | it's hard to please everyone! | 11:05 |
| jml | beuno: impossible even | 11:05 |
| persia | Oh, certainly. It's impossible to please anyone. | 11:06 |
| jml | o.O | 11:06 |
| persia | I just don't think it's useful to go from one bad state to another bad state. If edge is so far down the development pipeline that it's hard to revert, I think the process needs help, but that's entirely separate. | 11:07 |
| persia | (and there are plenty of other bugs that need work, so clearly spending a lot of time to revert something isn't ideal) | 11:07 |
| beuno | :) | 11:08 |
| * Hobbsee eyes the above discussion | 11:25 | |
| jml | it's an interesting problem in general though. | 11:27 |
| jml | a particular layout has a bunch of implicit benefits | 11:28 |
| jml | which are only made explicit when it changes. | 11:28 |
| wgrant | Indeed. | 11:29 |
| Flimm | Hello, I've tried uploading a source package to my ppa, but I get this error: | 11:29 |
| Flimm | Already uploaded to ppa.launchpad.net | 11:29 |
| Flimm | However, I can't find any uploaded packages at http://launchpad.net/~flimm/+archive | 11:29 |
| Hobbsee | beuno: could you define "not blocking anyone else" please? | 11:30 |
| wgrant | It's quite clearly not blocking anybody because Launchpad bugs can't block anything. No bug dependencies. | 11:31 |
| wgrant | For no particularly good reason. | 11:31 |
| Hobbsee | beuno: in particular, how you can "not block anyone" while breaking use cases. | 11:34 |
| Flimm | I get a 404 error when I try to visit http://ppa.launchpad.net/flimm/ubuntu | 11:54 |
| Flimm | I have enabled my PPA though: https://launchpad.net/~flimm/+archive | 11:55 |
| bigjools | nothing will be there until the first upload is processed successfully | 11:55 |
| Flimm | That's strange, bigjools, dholbach's PPA (for example) is empty, but you don't get a 404 error when visiting http://ppa.launchpad.net/dholbach/ubuntu | 11:56 |
| bigjools | he probably used to have something and deleted it | 11:57 |
| bigjools | trust me, you need to upload something | 11:57 |
| Flimm | I have, I've been waiting for half an hour already, bigjools | 11:57 |
| bigjools | you get any emails back? | 11:57 |
| Flimm | No emails | 11:58 |
| Flimm | Oh wait, I did just get one | 11:58 |
| kiko | Flimm, and your gpg key is registered? | 11:58 |
| Flimm | Yes, gpg keys are registered | 11:58 |
| bigjools | no emails means either you didn't sign the upload or you signed with a key not in LP | 11:58 |
| bigjools | otherwise the email will tell you what you did wrong | 11:58 |
| Flimm | Thank you, that's very helpful | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | bigjools: or the uploader borked again? | 11:59 |
| bigjools | welcome | 11:59 |
| Flimm | I just got an email: epidermis_0.1b-10ubuntu1_i386.changes rejected | 11:59 |
| Hobbsee | Flimm: that'll be why. You needt o upload a *source* changes. | 11:59 |
| Flimm | I had tried to upload an unsigned package a few hours ago, I didn't get any error messages | 11:59 |
| wgrant | bigjools: Malformed Changed-By or Maintainer addresses will generate error mails now? They always used to be silently dropped. | 11:59 |
| bigjools | umm dunno, I'd need to check | 12:00 |
| Flimm | And when I tried to upload it again, it told me I had already uploaded it | 12:00 |
| Hobbsee | Flimm: see https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA?action=show&redirect=PPA#Building | 12:00 |
| Flimm | So I had to up the version one. | 12:00 |
| wgrant | Flimm: That's just dput being silly locally. Pass -f to it to convince it to upload again. | 12:00 |
| Flimm | Thanks wgrant! | 12:00 |
| wgrant | np | 12:01 |
| Flimm | I've been using dpkg-buildpackage , which is supposed to build both source and binary packages, can I use that? | 12:01 |
| wgrant | We generally use debuild, and you must pass -S in either case. | 12:02 |
| wgrant | Launchpad does not accept binaries. | 12:02 |
| Flimm | I'm going to try dpkg-buildpackage -S first, as I'm unfamiliar with debuild | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | Flimm: debuild is a wrapper around dpkg-buildpackage. | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | (so most of the options arethe same) | 12:04 |
| Flimm | Oh... I am learning a lot today | 12:05 |
| Flimm | Well, the dpkg-buildpackage -S seems to have worked | 12:06 |
| Flimm | How long will it take roughly to build? | 12:12 |
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| Flimm | It's built | 12:16 |
| Flimm | That was ten minutes long | 12:16 |
| kiko | heh | 12:21 |
| kiko | yeah, it's usually less than 10 mins in fact | 12:21 |
| wgrant | But then you have to wait for up to 20 minutes or hack URLs to get to the binaries :( | 12:22 |
| beuno | no, it's usually under 10 minutes | 12:23 |
| beuno | it *may* take longer, like anything.... | 12:23 |
| wgrant | Doesn't the PPA publisher run on */20? | 12:24 |
| bac | philn: ok, great. thanks. | 13:12 |
| pecisk | people, what means current and packaged in translations? How it could be that packaged is something different than current, but currrent is older than packaged | 14:36 |
| pecisk | that is in LP Rosetta | 14:36 |
| kiko | I think current reflects what's current in LP | 14:39 |
| kiko | danilos will know though | 14:39 |
| danilos | pecisk: that's right, packaged is what was "active" in a package (usually upstream), current is what is going to be active for Ubuntu when new language pack is released | 14:41 |
| pecisk | danilos: in this case it is debian-installer. It is non-lang-pack, afaik | 14:41 |
| pecisk | I did changes in July | 14:42 |
| pecisk | but it still insist to use wrong version | 14:42 |
| danilos | pecisk: ah, that's a completely separate question, they are manually updated, check with cjwatson on #ubuntu (or wherever he hangs around :) | 14:43 |
| pecisk | cjwatson: ping? :) | 14:46 |
| kirkland | persia: thanks for making our case. | 14:53 |
| kirkland | beuno: would it be possible to print the bug number *somewhere* on the bug page, without hyperlinking it? | 14:53 |
| beuno | kirkland, sure, I'll revise the UI | 14:53 |
| beuno | do you want to re-phrase the bug and re-open it? | 14:54 |
| persia | kirkland, Always happy to make a case, although I'm not always successful in pursuing them. | 14:54 |
| kirkland | beuno: all we really need is some place on the page that we can easily double-click to highlight (without sending to another page), and put on the copy buffer | 14:54 |
| beuno | assign it to me, I'll take care of it | 14:54 |
| kirkland | beuno: thanks | 14:54 |
| soren | bzr says a branch on launchpad is locked, and suggests I run this to fix it: bzr break-lock lp-46042832:///~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock | 14:56 |
| soren | However, when I try that, I get: bzr: ERROR: Unsupported protocol for url "lp-46042832:///~ubuntu-virt/vmbuilder/trunk/.bzr/branch/lock" | 14:56 |
| soren | Removing -46042832 fixes it. | 14:56 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: I did a by-hand update of the translations in d-i not very long ago. Which language are you interested in? | 14:58 |
| pecisk | cjwatson: Latvian | 14:58 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: however, you should know that many of the translations in d-i are *never* updated from Launchpad | 14:58 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: I am not interested in being man-in-the-middle for different translation groups any time I merge d-i from upstream | 14:59 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: so, for strings that exist in Debian too, I refer people to Debian for translating d-i | 14:59 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: the strings I update from LP are just those that are new in Ubuntu | 14:59 |
| pecisk | ahhh, that explains a lot | 14:59 |
| pecisk | ok, it should be noted somewhere, otherwise I think LP has bug or something :) | 15:00 |
| ace | is it possible to add some hook in LP? | 15:02 |
| ace | like in svn to display commits in irc for example | 15:02 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: I thought it was, but I don't really know where translators would be looking | 15:03 |
| pecisk | cjwatson: so, next time you will take d-i translations from Debian, you will take from lenny, right? And it will be for 9.04? | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: I merge updated packages from unstable, which include translations | 15:04 |
| fantix | jtv: ping? | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: they don't necessarily correspond exactly to lenny or anything | 15:04 |
| pecisk | ok, I see | 15:04 |
| pecisk | thanks for info | 15:04 |
| cjwatson | pecisk: and yes, I'm not anticipating any more translation changes for 8.10 at this point | 15:04 |
| pecisk | I know | 15:05 |
| pecisk | it is too late already | 15:05 |
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| fantix | excuse me, but is jtv around please? | 15:05 |
| fantix | got a question here. :) my first pot uploaded with bad name was approved and renamed inside LP, and does my second pot with the new name still need manual review? thanks | 15:11 |
| philn | bac: can you confirm me by mail when i'll be able to file private bugs on my project? not that i'm tired to fill stoopid test bugs ;) | 15:18 |
| bac | philn: it is done now. | 15:21 |
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| exarkun | I uploaded a new translation template, but I guess I must have done something wrong, since it ended up in the import queue. | 15:31 |
| exarkun | Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? | 15:31 |
| exarkun | https://translations.launchpad.net/twisted | 15:31 |
| ace | do you really prefer the mailing list against forums? | 16:30 |
| cjwatson | it's a legitimate preference | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | mwhudson: I don't suppose there's been any movement on bug 112327? | 17:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 112327 in launchpad-cscvs "cscvs doesn't support :ext: CVS repos" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112327 | 17:17 |
| mwhudson | cjwatson: nope | 17:17 |
| mwhudson | (sorry) | 17:17 |
| cjwatson | whom do I have to bribe? :) | 17:17 |
| cjwatson | danilos: wow, the import queue is not exactly proceeding quickly :-( | 17:21 |
| Rinchen | cjwatson, rockstar | 17:24 |
| Rinchen | cjwatson, for the bribe ;-) | 17:24 |
| cjwatson | rockstar: I'm in London next week. What booze do you like? :-) | 17:25 |
| * cjwatson <- fed up of using CVS for OpenSSH ... | 17:25 | |
| rockstar | cjwatson, I actually don't drink, but there are other ways to bribe me. :) | 17:25 |
| rockstar | cjwatson, unfortunately, that bug is not even on my radar. | 17:26 |
| rockstar | Er, wasn't until just now. | 17:26 |
| rockstar | I'll take a look at it, and if it's not a big deal, I may work on it tonight. | 17:26 |
| cjwatson | cool, thanks! | 17:27 |
| rockstar | cjwatson, Ooh, a patch! | 17:27 |
| cjwatson | well, I'm in the Millbank office next week, so if I manage to make it over to Paddington or vice versa ... | 17:27 |
| rockstar | cjwatson, just because you submitted a patch, I'll make sure it gets done this weekend, even if I have to mess with it. | 17:28 |
| cjwatson | cool, thanks a lot | 17:28 |
| * rockstar believes in rewarding patches. | 17:28 | |
| cjwatson | just for that I might get round to 256050 as well | 17:29 |
| cjwatson | I like producing patches to make my pet projects work. :) | 17:29 |
| Rinchen | cjwatson, we have this pet project.... it's called Launchpad. Maybe you've heard of it? :-) | 17:30 |
| cjwatson | I have, but I have another pet project called Ubuntu which may be familiar to you ;-) | 17:30 |
| Rinchen | touche` | 17:31 |
| rockstar | cjwatson, there is also this neat thing called bzr that even works WITH launchpad. It makes patch management and merging WAY easy. :) | 17:41 |
| exarkun | I uploaded a new translation template, but I guess I must have done something wrong, since it ended up in the import queue. Can anyone tell me what I did wrong? https://translations.launchpad.net/twisted | 17:43 |
| hlh | So how does one unsubscribe someone to a bug in LP? | 17:49 |
| hlh | fyi, I'm the project owner | 17:49 |
| danilos | exarkun: that's the correct behaviour: someone needs to review it | 18:16 |
| danilos | cjwatson: unfortunately, we haven't optimized the import of completely new files when we did previous rounds of import optimizations, because they are a minority of cases (but now, with this set of KDE data, they are all new files) :( | 18:16 |
| krish | hey hi. I am not able to upgrade my branch bazaar version | 18:31 |
| krish | [krish@lappie timepass-devel]$ bzr upgrade bzr+ssh://srikrishna@bazaar.launchpad.net/~timepass/timepass/timepass-devel | 18:33 |
| krish | Format <RepositoryFormatKnit1> for lp-46042832:///~timepass/timepass/timepass-devel/.bzr is deprecated - please use 'bzr upgrade' to get better performance | 18:33 |
| krish | bzr: ERROR: The branch format Bazaar-NG meta directory, format 1 is already at the most recent format. | 18:33 |
| krish | spiv: | 18:35 |
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| exarkun | danilos: Last time I uploaded something, someone told me it wouldn't need to be reviewed next time. | 18:52 |
| danilos | exarkun: ah, then it needs to wait for auto-approval process to finish, it may take a few hours for that to happen | 18:52 |
| danilos | exarkun: if not, please file a question on answers.launchpad.net/rosetta/ and we'll look at it | 18:53 |
| danilos | sorry, have to go now | 18:53 |
| exarkun | okay. thanks. | 18:53 |
| fantix | exarkun: thanks! :) gotta sleep, 2am here | 19:11 |
| nelson_mtkwan | hi there. I am a newbie in ubuntu. I have just setup the automounting of my partition by the 1st method on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions, which containing Chinese file name. Everything goes rights except those Chinese file name. They all became question marks!!! Can anybody here help me? | 19:27 |
| psusi | I can't seem to log into staging... is there anything special you have to do for that? | 20:00 |
| Jazzva | hello... I'm experiencing a problem with bzr and launchpad. I keep getting "User timeout caused connection failure" message on the branch page when I try to push changes. I have tried it at least 4 or 5 times. | 21:01 |
| Jazzva | here is the branch address https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.xul-extensions | 21:01 |
| Jazzva | Deleting the branch and then pushing all the changes didn't help. | 21:03 |
| LarstiQ | Jazzva: hmm | 21:07 |
| LarstiQ | Jazzva: is this a mirrored branch perchance? | 21:07 |
| LarstiQ | hello Ursinha | 21:07 |
| Ursinha | hi LarstiQ | 21:08 |
| Jazzva | LarstiQ, mirrored? I don't think so. I push changes from my local branch on my computer. | 21:08 |
| LarstiQ | Jazzva: ok | 21:08 |
| LarstiQ | Ursinha: do you have the power to see what is causing the timeout on https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jazzva/app-install-data-ubuntu/ubuntu.xul-extensions ? | 21:08 |
| Ursinha | LarstiQ, are you getting any oopses? | 21:09 |
| LarstiQ | Ursinha: no, it looks like the branch puller to me | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | User timeout caused connection failure. | 21:09 |
| Ursinha | urgh, what's that | 21:09 |
| LarstiQ | not sure :) | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | :) | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | well | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | let me dig | 21:10 |
| Ursinha | hey beuno, what's up :) | 21:12 |
| Ursinha | LarstiQ, by timeout you mean that yellow box with that connection failure message? | 21:13 |
| LarstiQ | Ursinha: I do | 21:13 |
| Ursinha | LarstiQ, ok | 21:13 |
| LarstiQ | not an oops timeout, sorry for the confusion | 21:13 |
| Ursinha | LarstiQ, no problem at all :) | 21:19 |
| LarstiQ | Ursinha: pfew :) | 21:22 |
| Ursinha | LarstiQ, didn't forget you, trying to understand the error | 21:42 |
| beuno | hey hey Ursinha | 21:48 |
| Flimm | Hey everyone, I just submitted a blog post about my experiences with Launchpad: | 21:48 |
| Flimm | http://epidermis.tuxfamily.org/?q=node/34 | 21:48 |
| Ursinha | beuno, how long :P | 21:49 |
| beuno | Ursinha, yeah, it's been a while! | 21:50 |
| beuno | where di you have dinner? | 21:50 |
| Ursinha | beuno, went to salisbury and bought some fruits and so :) | 21:50 |
| Ursinha | salisbury local | 21:50 |
| Flimm | Well, that's it folks, you don't have to read it if you don't want to, I just wanted the right people to read it. Good night | 21:50 |
| beuno | oh, they have very good food | 21:50 |
| beuno | I bought food there last night | 21:51 |
| Ursinha | beuno, oh, cool :) thought i was the only one to go dinner in the supermarket :P | 21:51 |
| beuno | Ursinha, ha, no. It's cheap and good, what more would you want? | 21:52 |
| Ursinha | beuno, maybe take a walk in london :) | 21:53 |
| beuno | Rinchen, url above ^ | 21:54 |
| Rinchen | er huh? | 21:56 |
| Rinchen | ah | 21:56 |
| Rinchen | epidermis! | 21:56 |
| Rinchen | I wish this hotel AP didn't block connections. | 21:57 |
| Rinchen | can't use avahi | 21:57 |
| beuno | I see people in bonjour just fine | 21:59 |
| Rinchen | beuno, yeah but try to msg them | 22:00 |
| Rinchen | beuno, connection cannot be completed | 22:00 |
| Rinchen | we could do it on the cisco Ubuntu router in the classroom | 22:00 |
| Rinchen | but not on the hotel's router | 22:00 |
| beuno | ah | 22:01 |
| beuno | right | 22:01 |
| awilkins | Does it let 22 out? I use my router to bounce things off via SOCKS | 22:01 |
| beuno | we can't con nect to each other | 22:01 |
| beuno | in any port | 22:01 |
| bigjools | Sainsbury | 22:03 |
| Rinchen | 92.54.156.162 | 22:03 |
| Ursinha | bigjools, yes yes | 22:03 |
| Ursinha | :) | 22:03 |
| bigjools | :) | 22:03 |
| Ursinha | sorry about the typo | 22:04 |
| bigjools | and sorry for stealing your food earlier :) | 22:05 |
| awilkins | Howdoes/can one become a Launchpad dev if you are not employed by Canonical? | 22:05 |
| lifeless | awilkins: at the moment its pretty rarely done | 22:06 |
| lifeless | awilkins: but the technical side of the process is an NDA | 22:06 |
| lifeless | awilkins: once its open sourced it will be a lot easier :) | 22:06 |
| Ursinha | hahaha! bigjools, I don't even remember anymore :) | 22:06 |
| bigjools | and then you refused my two offerings, which meant that I had to eat them, so it's all your fault if I get fat ;) | 22:07 |
| awilkins | I just have a requirement to investigate project/stuff tracking for my org so my thoughts naturally turned to Launchpad | 22:07 |
| awilkins | They want to be tracking rather more bits'n'bobs than just issues and code, but maybe we can learn stuff from each other | 22:08 |
| Ursinha | bigjools, hahaha :) | 22:08 |
| awilkins | (usual craptastic lack of well-defined requirements at present) | 22:08 |
| awilkins | lifeless: Any idea when that open-sourcing will happen (as if!) | 22:08 |
| awilkins | (any schedule would be stuck to ,etc!) | 22:09 |
| beuno | awilkins, july-ish next year | 22:09 |
| wgrant | Will it be an all-at-once, drown-everyone-in-code effort? | 22:10 |
| awilkins | Could be a bit of a wait... would being "the NHS" make it any more or less likely that you'd trust an NDA in my hands :-) ? | 22:10 |
| lifeless | awilkins: whats your email address; I'd be delighted to mail you & kiko to get a discussion rolling | 22:13 |
| beuno | wgrant, we don't know. There will be quite a few things happening in between | 22:15 |
| wgrant | Will the roadmap be public when it's done? | 22:17 |
| beuno | yeap | 22:17 |
| beuno | probably before | 22:18 |
| wgrant | Great. | 22:18 |
| wgrant | It's good to see this finally happening... we've been waiting a while. | 22:22 |
| RAOF | Has anyone had a chance to look at bug #270031? It's been a while, and it's got a fairly wide impact on PPAs. | 23:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 270031 in launchpad-buildd "Mono segfaults on amd64 PPA buildds" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/270031 | 23:05 |
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